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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Hall of famer Charles Barkley back on the program. Are

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Speaker 2: you unemployed right now?

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Speaker 3: No, I signed a deal last week.

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Speaker 2: Then, okay, when do you start working with ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Next year when the season starts?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, so there's nothing going on from now until

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Speaker 2: the start of next season.

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Speaker 4: No, you know, I took my time trying to figure out.

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Speaker 4: My big thing was the work schedule, and I got together.

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Speaker 4: I've been working on it for like two months, and

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Speaker 4: I got together with T and T last week and

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Speaker 4: I signed a deal.

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Speaker 2: So how many days a week are you going to

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Speaker 2: work at the Mother Show?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know it's I don't even think they know

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Speaker 4: the exact schedule, to be honest with.

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Speaker 2: You, so you better know the exact schedule.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna trust trust them, you know. But that's

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Speaker 4: been my biggest concern. Yeah. Uh So, like I said,

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Speaker 4: I didn't officially assigned it to last week. I said

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Speaker 4: I'd worked for two more years and that's what I

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Speaker 4: agreed to, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to trust them.

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Speaker 4: But I listen, you know, if if they start trying

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Speaker 4: to work me too much between ESPN TNT.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna walk on home, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, because listen, I actually have seven years left on

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Speaker 4: my contract.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, there's no way I'm working seven years.

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Speaker 4: I says, you know, I'm gonna be a good soldier

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Speaker 4: for Kenny, Ernie and Shaq and the people I work with,

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Speaker 4: because I love the people I work with, especially behind

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Speaker 4: the scenes. I said, but the best I can do

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Speaker 4: is two years and the mother five years. They got

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Speaker 4: no chance to happen, and so I said, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I give y'all two years.

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Speaker 3: They're like, can we get three?

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Speaker 4: I said, I just told you I'm gonna get you.

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Speaker 4: You know, David, it was the fun I said, I

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Speaker 4: get I'll give you two years that can we get three?

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Speaker 3: I said, I just told you I was gonna get

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Speaker 3: you two.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the SPN way of life.

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Speaker 4: Though this is the TNT people, uh because because my

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Speaker 4: I think my my contract technically is still with T

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna be a good soldier.

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Speaker 2: What was that feeling like last show?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was.

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Speaker 4: Fine until Ernie started getting emotional and then I started

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Speaker 4: tearing up. And I'm glad that they only had the

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Speaker 4: camera on him, you know, because you know Kenny and Shaq, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, they were just talking. I was like, okay, he did,

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Speaker 3: but Ernie was emotional. Uh. The crowd was great.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: But like I said, man, you've been I've been with

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Speaker 4: these people for twenty five years. It's a great thing.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: The NBA family has been tremendous to us. The fans

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Speaker 4: have been tremendous for us.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I will admit, you know, I'm looking forward.

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Speaker 4: You know, ESPN is the most famous sports brand ever,

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Speaker 4: and it's gonna be Uh, it's gonna be awesome working

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Speaker 4: for them, and uh, nobody knows what's gonna happen. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think that's the only thing that like what are

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Speaker 4: we actually going to do? So I think that's that's

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Speaker 4: the only thing. But like I say, I did not

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Speaker 4: you know what, let me do it for a couple

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Speaker 4: of years and then y'all can have it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But does the show look like the show? It's

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Speaker 2: just it's inside the NBA, but it's on ESPN. Is

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Speaker 2: that how you're uh like positioning this?

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Speaker 3: Dad? We don't even know.

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Speaker 4: You see that that that's one of the reason I

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Speaker 4: And then TNT is trying to do something stupid behind

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Speaker 4: the scenes. We taped the pilot about a month ago,

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Speaker 4: and it was the stupidest ship I've ever seen my life.

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Speaker 4: You know, because because because we're not going to be

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, what do you mean you taped a pilot.

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Speaker 4: Well, because ESPN, Because we're only probably going to be

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Speaker 4: working for ESPN like half the time to one third

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Speaker 4: And we taped a pilot about a month ago and

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Speaker 4: it was the stupidest ship ever.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're still going to do a show, an

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Speaker 4: But but like I said, if they're being honest, we're

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Speaker 4: gonna probably work on ESPN one third or half the time.

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Speaker 4: But they're trying to do something stupid at tn T,

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Speaker 4: which which which is which is number one is the

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Speaker 4: stupid idea for a couple of reasons. Number one, we

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Speaker 4: we won't we won't. We won't have basketball highlights. But

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Speaker 4: also we're probably gonna be going up against the NBA game.

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Speaker 4: And I don't anybody who likes basketball. The ain't gonna say, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know what, let me turn off an NBA game

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Speaker 4: that's on Amazon, ESPN or NBC to go watch these

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Speaker 4: four dudes hit around and talk about nothing. So it's complicated.

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Speaker 4: And like I say, we taped the pilot doing stupid

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Speaker 3: And I wouldn't want to go out like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is this like a second screen or a manning can?

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Speaker 2: Like what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Don't they don't know? They listen?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm telling you, Dan, it was interesting

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Speaker 4: we were sitting there taping it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I will admit one thing. I get TNT credit.

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Speaker 4: They did say it was awful pilot with you.

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Speaker 3: They were honest.

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Speaker 4: They were honest because it was like we just uh

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Speaker 4: so they want to do something. But like I say,

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Speaker 4: the problem we got we got to be going up

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Speaker 4: because they're gonna be probably much Well, no, that's gonna

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Speaker 4: be an n big NBA game on every night, so

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Speaker 4: whenever we do it, it's gonna be up against the NBA game.

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Speaker 3: So that's the first problem.

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Speaker 4: So but I guess they want to feel like they're

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Speaker 4: doing something to make us earn our money from tn T.

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Speaker 2: Charles Barsley joining us inside the n B A uh

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Speaker 2: on t n T, is it gonna be? Okay, what's

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: Then then first of all, I guess inside the n

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Speaker 4: I think that's easy. But I think so I forget.

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Speaker 4: I think the pile is called inside the NBA.

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Speaker 2: That's not confusing.

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Speaker 3: Well, well you know that. You know the thing that

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Speaker 3: was hilarious about it. Then we didn't have any NBA.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have no rights to the NBA, but

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Speaker 2: you're inside of the NBA.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: We can't show highlights. We can't show highlights.

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Speaker 4: So we were sitting there for like an hour and

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Speaker 4: a half taking this pilot, and we're looking at each other,

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Speaker 4: what the hell are we doing? But like I say,

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Speaker 4: I give TNT credit the first thing they said out

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Speaker 4: of the pilot, Yeah, that was really stupid.

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Speaker 3: We got to figure something out.

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Speaker 2: What role do you think Michael Jordan's going to play

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Speaker 2: with NBC's coverage.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't see Michael bean on television a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't see Michael being on television a lot. To

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Speaker 4: be honest with you, why do you think he's doing this?

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Speaker 3: I have a zero ideal. I think it's great that

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Speaker 3: he's going to be part of the NBA.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's, in my opinion, no disrespect to Kobe

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Speaker 4: no idea why he's doing it, but it's a welcome addition.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yo, man, you know this is going to

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Speaker 4: be interesting going forward because there's so much money out

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Speaker 4: there right now. Dan like, they got to do everything

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Speaker 4: at the NBC, Amazon and ESPN are paying you know.

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Speaker 4: You know, I tell people we were paying about one

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Speaker 4: to two point five billion. Those numbers don't compute, So

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to do everything in your power to

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Speaker 4: draw fans. I think it's gonna be fascinating going forward,

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Speaker 2: What do you think Jordan would get paid today if

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Speaker 2: he was playing.

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Speaker 4: Well, he'd be the first hundred million dollar player. Well, well,

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Speaker 4: first of all, we gonna have guys making seventy eight

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Speaker 4: to ninety million dollars three to four years. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 4: but you know, man, bless these guys as long as

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Speaker 4: making all that money because they're great players. They were

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Speaker 4: with low management. You know, we can't keep crapping on

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Speaker 4: the fans where we're like yeah, wait, yeah, you're making

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Speaker 4: seventy million dollars. You can't play basketball four days a week.

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Speaker 4: You can't work two days in a row. And you

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Speaker 3: The cement factory.

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Speaker 4: Like wait a minute, I make twenty dollars an hour.

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Speaker 4: This dude makes seventy million dollars and he can't play

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Speaker 4: back to back. Come on, man, I think that's an

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Speaker 4: insult to the fans, and it might.

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Speaker 3: Be a problem.

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Speaker 4: It was already a problem, but when this money like

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Speaker 4: double and triple, the fans gonna are like, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: not watching this crap any more. If these dudes can't

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Speaker 4: play two games in a row. Can you imagine you

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Speaker 4: comes west to east or east to west. He's only

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Speaker 4: coming one time a year, and the tickets are ridiculous,

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Speaker 4: and you're like, yeah, he.

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Speaker 3: Played last night.

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Speaker 4: Uh so I think there's some things we got to

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Speaker 4: amstor A basketball players going forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're making whatever, twenty million dollars a year

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Speaker 2: and you only want to work two days a week.

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Speaker 3: I show up every day though we Hey listen, I

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Speaker 3: show up. I show up every day.

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Speaker 2: Then okay, back back to back though.

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Speaker 3: Back to back? Wait, like going the playoffs. You know,

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Speaker 3: we worked like six days a week and I show

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Speaker 3: up every day for those six days. Hey, then you

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Speaker 3: know what you guys?

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Speaker 2: You know, I apologize. I apologize. I didn't realize the

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Speaker 3: You have my bad?

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Speaker 2: Oh you just wait, just oh there you go? Are

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Speaker 2: you back?

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Speaker 3: You you can hear me.

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Speaker 2: Now, no, you froze up right after I said that

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Speaker 2: with the apology, and I thought you were you know,

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Speaker 2: it was a dramatic pauloge there, so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, But but you know these guys out there,

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Speaker 4: We flew commercial and played back to back, and these

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, then I say, then we all old

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Speaker 4: That's why, regardless of all this other stuff, this Lebron stuff,

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Speaker 2: And that was an insider trading, was no because you know,

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Speaker 3: Me trade that in.

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Speaker 4: But the point I was making, man, I put his

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Speaker 3: I'm not even.

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Speaker 4: Joking because when I designed my shoes, I'm one of

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Speaker 2: Then it makes it even more amazing what Mike did

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Speaker 3: I said, you're really out of damn bricks. Bricks.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you think he could have had them

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Speaker 4: No, because he got them to me like in two days. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: Man before I let you go, Uh, what kind of

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Speaker 4: I think they can make it competitive, but I've been

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Speaker 3: They're the deepest. They might be the deepest NBA team

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Speaker 4: They be playing guys who don't even play like the

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Speaker 3: So I hope it's a good.

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Speaker 4: Series, but I don't think anybody can beat okay See

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Perhaps I'll see you in Tahoe.

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Speaker 3: You a coward.

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Speaker 2: Dan know I'm gonna go out there.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're not gonna play.

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Speaker 2: Well, they didn't invite me. I might be working.

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Speaker 4: You won't be working. We play on a Friday afternoon,

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Speaker 3: You bring it out and I do. I should do it.

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Speaker 3: How long you own?

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Speaker 2: Three hours?

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Speaker 3: I'll give you an hour one day me and you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, But so last time you came to Tahoe, you

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Speaker 3: Yes you do, brother? All right?

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'll see you maybe in July.

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Speaker 3: All right, brother, be safe, safe out there, all right.

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Speaker 7: of issues like our softball tournament location that are probably

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Speaker 7: more mundane than you want to jump into on a

444
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Speaker 7: Monday morning. But happy to talk about softball and gymnastics

445
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Speaker 7: championships locations for the conference if you'd like.

446
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Speaker 2: Well, that's why to have you on. But let's get

447
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Speaker 2: some of these ancillary things out of the right. That's fair, Okay,

448
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Speaker 2: let me start with basketball and then we'll get to football.

449
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Speaker 2: The discussions of seventy two, seventy six teams, any discussion

450
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Speaker 2: from the SEC portion of this.

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Speaker 7: I introduced the issue to our men's basketball coaches, which

452
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Speaker 7: I think we've talked about with that group before. I

453
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Speaker 7: would guess Dan, given the other issues we have on

454
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Speaker 7: our plate, that that conversation maybe lasted five minutes. My

455
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Speaker 7: points to them were, this is still a work in progress.

456
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Speaker 7: I didn't know that there was going to be kind

457
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Speaker 7: of a press gathering. This is not a criticism. Charlie

458
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Speaker 7: Baker spoke about tournament expanse I think the day after

459
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Speaker 7: our basketball coaches gathered, I mentioned it to our wins

460
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Speaker 7: basketball coaches as well. Briefly, didn't really go anywhere, and

461
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Speaker 7: so my introduction was, I just want you to be

462
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Speaker 7: aware problem. Towards the end of the month, this will

463
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Speaker 7: come up.

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Speaker 3: I said.

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Speaker 7: My view is, I think we should be exploring tournament expansion.

466
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Speaker 7: Whether or not it happens, it is actually another point

467
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Speaker 7: of evaluation. So have the conversation, deep dive, figure out

468
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Speaker 7: if it works practically, competitively economically. I think the one

469
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Speaker 7: issue for us is if it is expanded. Let's pick

470
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Speaker 7: the number of seventy six and I'll do quick math

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Speaker 7: for you. So fifty two of the seventy six teams

472
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Speaker 7: would be like in that traditional first round. The other

473
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Speaker 7: twenty four would play in twelve games, the twelve winners

474
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Speaker 7: meet up with the fifty two. There's your sixty fourteen bracket.

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Speaker 3: Right.

476
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Speaker 7: That's like from my intermural director days at you to

477
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Speaker 7: the comp That's how I know how bracckets work. I'm

478
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Speaker 7: really interested and we're interested in a league. Is who

479
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Speaker 7: fills those twelve games those other twenty four teams. The

480
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Speaker 7: kind of Dayton model, if you will, which is a

481
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Speaker 7: men's basketball side is it's a combination of the lowest aqs,

482
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Speaker 7: the lowest rated aqs kind of by placement of the committee,

483
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Speaker 7: and then the last at large teams in And I

484
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Speaker 7: kind of pivot to look look to North Carolina State

485
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Speaker 7: last year eleven seed, they were in AQ, but they

486
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Speaker 7: went to the final four. And it's just kind of

487
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Speaker 7: an indication that competitively, those top fifty or so teams,

488
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Speaker 7: you know, things fall right, injuries, heel can make really

489
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Speaker 7: good runs. So I'm not one who thinks we should

490
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Speaker 7: just follow the Dayton model automatically have expanded if expansion

491
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Speaker 7: takes place.

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Speaker 3: So that was my reference to our coaches.

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Speaker 2: When our decisions made or voted on for expansion for

494
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Speaker 2: the college football playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question.

496
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Speaker 7: Buy agreement that the outer boundary is November thirty December

497
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Speaker 7: one of this year for the twenty six playoff. Now

498
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Speaker 7: keep in mind, when we went to twelve teams, the

499
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Speaker 7: board said that'll be the format for twenty twenty six.

500
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Speaker 7: Let's start early if we can, which we obviously did

501
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Speaker 7: I think did overall in a successful way. But what

502
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Speaker 7: was introduced immediately is let's go through these two years

503
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Speaker 7: and conduct an evaluation. So we're in that evaluation standpoint.

504
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Speaker 7: A lot of talk about really fourteen or sixteen that

505
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Speaker 7: I think twelve is known as as kind of a

506
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Speaker 7: foundation point, but the conversation is about fourteen or sixteen,

507
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Speaker 7: and then how our team select it or placed into

508
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Speaker 7: whatever size bracket exists is the more the headline question. Okay,

509
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Speaker 7: but what model do you like? Well, I've been one

510
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Speaker 7: who said over time, I'd give no allocation. So this

511
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Speaker 7: whole five seven thing that exists now, I just make

512
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Speaker 7: it the twelve best teams, and I was clear on that. Now,

513
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Speaker 7: when we get into rooms, we make political compromises, if

514
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Speaker 7: you will, small p not like Congress political compromises, but

515
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Speaker 7: to achieve an outcome.

516
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Speaker 2: But the sides on the top twelve Teams Selection committee. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 2: but here's what I think.

518
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Speaker 3: I think we've not.

519
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Speaker 7: We spent so much time expanding and working through our

520
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 7: own little side arguments about teams and oh, we can't

521
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 7: do this, we need this, you got to protect this

522
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 7: bowl game or that bowl game. We never went back

523
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Speaker 7: to the essence of decision making, which is how our

524
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Speaker 7: team selected. As everyone relocated over the last four or

525
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Speaker 7: five years, do the analyses that existed and worked for

526
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Speaker 7: the fourteen playoff and twenty fourteen still have the same

527
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Speaker 7: relevance and we're behind that curve in my opinion. That's

528
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Speaker 7: why other ideas are introduced and considered, and we've looked

529
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Speaker 7: at ideas. You know, this allocation of it's called automatic bids.

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Speaker 7: That's such a harsh term. I think allocations is one

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Speaker 7: where I like that word because we've already we already allocated.

532
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Speaker 7: And look at last year. We had two teams not

533
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Speaker 7: in the top four. They get to move up because

534
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Speaker 7: of the political compromise. We have a team outside the

535
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Speaker 7: twelve that moves in, and then the teams that are

536
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Speaker 7: displaced look around and say, hey, wait a second, that

537
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 7: doesn't make any sense any longer. That introduces the questions

538
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Speaker 7: around should that model continue or should that allocation model

539
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Speaker 7: expand where other teams are brought in.

540
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Speaker 2: Talking to Greg Sankie, SEC Commissioner, we've talked about this before.

541
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Speaker 2: You know, given the scheduling and hotel rooms and travel

542
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Speaker 2: of reseeding after the first round of games, can is

543
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Speaker 2: that on the table at all anymore?

544
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Speaker 7: Well, not really receding, because almost what a week and

545
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Speaker 7: a half ago for the twenty five season, this college

546
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Speaker 7: Football Playoff Management Committee, which is the commissioners and the

547
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Speaker 7: Notre Dame Athletic Director, agreed to just go to straight

548
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Speaker 7: seating by ranking. So the movement of teams outside the

549
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Speaker 7: top four into the top four that won't happen in

550
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. You're going to get what you earn.

551
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Speaker 7: Same for home games. We've not gone back into the

552
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Speaker 7: receiving question. And Dan, if you go back to June

553
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Speaker 7: of twenty one, which was like ancient history in college sports,

554
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Speaker 7: when the twelve team model was introduced, and we went

555
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Speaker 7: back through this about a month ago with everybody involved

556
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Speaker 7: on that management committee, one of the questions.

557
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Speaker 3: Was should we be in receding.

558
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Speaker 7: We never really got back to that because you remember

559
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Speaker 7: the SEC had this little expansion to sixteen, great disruption

560
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Speaker 7: in the forest. Then we had twenty two in expansion

561
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Speaker 7: of the big ten. So he waited around for a year,

562
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Speaker 7: and now we've been in hurry up mode since. So

563
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Speaker 7: we haven't talked so much about receding as we did

564
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Speaker 7: just about honoring the rankings in the bracket.

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Speaker 2: Help me understand the report on Cooper Flag as he

566
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Speaker 2: made close to thirty million dollars is one year at Duke,

567
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Speaker 2: that's nil. Help me understand as the athlete moves forward

568
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Speaker 2: of the salaries and nil and any restriction, any compromises

569
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Speaker 2: that will be there for these marquee athletes let's call them.

570
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Speaker 7: Without commenting on the Cooper Flag story, I haven't seen that,

571
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Speaker 7: and nobody's sending me financial documents to verify.

572
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Speaker 3: As you can imagine in this environment.

573
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Speaker 7: A couple points one is this settlement that's positioned in

574
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Speaker 7: a set of lawsuits has great impact on the answer

575
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Speaker 7: to your question if the settlement is approved for the

576
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Speaker 7: first time at the college level, and really quite innovative

577
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 7: in the sports realm, would be the process for overseeing

578
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 7: third party name, image and likeness to establish there's an

579
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Speaker 7: appropriate range of compensation and fair market excuse me, in

580
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Speaker 7: real business purposes.

581
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Speaker 3: Fulfilled around name image and likeness deals. That's not like novel.

582
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Speaker 7: It just hasn't existed as we've gone on this state

583
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Speaker 7: by state exploration of kind of reducing any regulatory system

584
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Speaker 7: for college sports niol So. I think that's a first step,

585
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Speaker 7: and that's one component third party name image and likeness.

586
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Speaker 7: The second is what I think will be kind of

587
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Speaker 7: a name image and likeness activity within a revenue sharing

588
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Speaker 7: model where athletic programs are providing that payment directly to

589
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Speaker 7: student athletes.

590
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Speaker 3: That can be a better system. There has to be

591
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Speaker 3: a commitment to make it work.

592
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Speaker 7: And I still am one who thinks that notion of

593
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Speaker 7: having fifty different state laws governing is highly problematic. You're

594
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Speaker 7: not going to have college World Series. You can't run

595
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Speaker 7: Final fours and national championships that way. You run something

596
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Speaker 7: more like high school championships where every state kind of

597
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 7: walls off it's and establishes its own rules. And I

598
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Speaker 7: think that has to be understood as a significant point

599
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Speaker 7: of concern. That's why the return of national standards in

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Speaker 7: the congressional conversation still has meaning.

601
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Speaker 2: What would stop me as a businessman if I wanted

602
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Speaker 2: the top quarterback in college football to come to Alabama,

603
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Speaker 2: and I want to give him twenty five million dollars

604
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: a year.

605
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Speaker 3: Right now, there hasn't been a lot.

606
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Speaker 7: This is the States migrate away from any oversight of

607
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 7: their own laws or any regulation. If the settlement is approved,

608
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Speaker 7: I go back to that third party oversight, and it

609
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 7: would depend on your classification, assuming you have some affiliation,

610
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Speaker 7: you've provided money donations to the university involved. You then

611
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 7: kick into this third party in aisle oversight and the

612
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 7: ability for somebody to be deemed at an appropriate real

613
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 7: business purpose and range of compensation level would be involved.

614
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 7: And if it doesn't, there'll be an opportunity to adjust

615
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 7: your offer.

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Speaker 2: I would love for conferences or maybe there's somebody who

617
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Speaker 2: can be like the NFL has somebody who does this scheduling,

618
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Speaker 2: like I would love. You know, we might lose Notre

619
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Speaker 2: Dame in USC like I'm I don't know, maybe I'm

620
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Speaker 2: the get off my line, the old guy, but you know,

621
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Speaker 2: can you come up with scheduling that we don't lose

622
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Speaker 2: Texas versus Oklahoma or whatever? Oklahoma state? Oklahoma? I should say,

623
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Speaker 2: I got to want to lose these rights we don't

624
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: have many left, and I don't know if college football

625
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: could ever have a schedule overseer. So we do have

626
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: marquee matchups.

627
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: This is this is.

628
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Speaker 2: Entertainment, it's TV non conference. You know, what do you

629
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Speaker 2: think of that?

630
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Speaker 7: I think a couple things. Let's go back to the

631
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 7: college football playoffs. So I've been the recipient of plenty

632
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 7: kind of side comments about.

633
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: Good of the game, whatever that means.

634
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 7: And when programs like when wake Forest notifies Old Miss

635
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 7: the day before their first game of a home and

636
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 7: home series that we're not playing the one back in Oxford,

637
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 7: that's a problem.

638
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: When when Nebraska.

639
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 7: Cancels an agreement to play Tennessee home and home and

640
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 7: sites and I'm not criticizing.

641
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: Their athletic director, this is a reality.

642
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 7: Cites the college football playoff selection process as a fundamental

643
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 7: reason why we have to understand the college football playoffs

644
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 7: selection process is threatening the regular season, not supporting it.

645
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 7: Remember all those conversations people had about, hey, if you

646
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 7: expand the playoff, you're going to diminish the regular season.

647
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 7: I think there is something to that. I just think

648
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 7: everybody missed that the regular season was being changed by

649
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 7: the college football playoff. So point one is whether people

650
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 7: agree or not. I think the first issue that has

651
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 7: to be addressed is the selection criteria incentivizing playing these

652
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 7: highly competitive, highly desired games, whether that's non conference or conference.

653
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 7: That's one. The second is, I think conference is coming

654
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 7: together to facilitate this scheduling is important, and I'll just

655
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 7: take ourselves. We facilitate four end of year non conference

656
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 7: games last week of the season. We've had schools actually

657
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 7: leave our league and come back, and we facilitated those

658
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 7: games when when they've wanted to play. So I think

659
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 7: from my perspective, I'm happy for a coordinated conversation to

660
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 7: try to get scheduling right. But I do think you

661
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 7: have to go back to at the forefront of everyone's

662
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 7: mind is how decisions about the postseason are going to

663
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Speaker 7: be made. And that's the point I've made more subtly

664
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 7: than of late and more directly in the most recent comments,

665
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 7: because I do think that leads the agenda of what

666
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 7: must be addressed in college football scheduling is how this

667
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 7: postseason selection guides people's thinking.

668
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: Give me the one thing that keeps you up at

669
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: night that has to do with where we're where we

670
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: are or where we're headed.

671
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 7: If I could, if I like, if I could have

672
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 7: one thing to keep me up at night, I'd sleep

673
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 7: like a baby again, So.

674
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: Let's just stipulate that would I would be out like

675
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: a light.

676
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 7: I wake up every day on issues around the relationship

677
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 7: with our dudent athletes, and that's both the economic relationship.

678
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 7: I'm concerned about the lifelong impact, about the amount of

679
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 7: money that flows into somebody's life when the motional maturity

680
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 7: may not be there. You know, how do you go

681
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 7: take a fifty thousand dollars entry level job and we

682
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 7: run these ads that ninety eight percent of the people

683
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 7: on the athletic fields or courts or tracks are going

684
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 7: pro in something else, and you've had your own personal

685
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 7: economics or value inflated. How do you learn those lifelong lessons?

686
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 7: I think the transfer environment is linked to that, perhaps

687
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 7: the inability to walk through some of the difficult moments

688
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 7: in life. Hey, it's not every transfer is a problematic transfer.

689
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 7: And I speak as somebody who transferred a couple of times.

690
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 7: You're trying to figure it out, especially if you're a

691
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 7: first generation college student, like you don't have somebody pulling

692
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 7: you aside and helping you understand, Hey, maybe if you

693
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 7: stick it out, build your legacy in one place, receive

694
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 7: some economic benefit, have educational and relational continuity, you come

695
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 7: out as a more prepared adult for what's next in life.

696
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 7: The combination of those factor the economic relationship, the transfer decisions,

697
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 7: and then the lifelong impacts that come from that we're

698
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 7: not going to know for a while.

699
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: Those are at the top of what keeps me up

700
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 3: at night.

701
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: I propose this well to myself, but on my show

702
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: probably ten years ago, that if you have players who

703
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: are coming to school because they think they're going to

704
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: be a professional athlete, can you have some kind of

705
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: curriculum that helps them with investing, balancing a checkbook, real estate,

706
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: think taxes, things that have to do that are you know,

707
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: the history of Mesopotamia. While I took the course hasn't

708
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: helped me today. But if you're taking something that does

709
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: prepare you, and college is supposed to prepare you. If

710
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: I go to college and we have, you know, some

711
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: kind of symbiotic relationship of I'm coming to use you,

712
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: you're using me. I don't have any interesting staying in school,

713
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: but can you help them with things that will help

714
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: them in what they want to do.

715
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 7: A few points like I studied the Mesopotamian thing and

716
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 7: had the same reaction. Then I went to the British

717
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 7: Museum and there's a section on Mesopotamia and I'm like, hey,

718
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 7: I read about this when I was fourteen or something

719
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 7: like that. That's one second. I think if it's if

720
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 7: it's only in life, do what you want and not

721
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 7: challenge you to broaden your horizons, I think we lose

722
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 7: an opportunity to help young people grow. So I would

723
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 7: never suggest we just walk away from a broad educational experience. Third, sure,

724
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 7: could we pivot, and there are plenty of electives, There

725
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 7: are plenty of ways to learn. But our athletics departments

726
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 7: provide pretty deep financial literacy programs. In fact, I've debated

727
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 7: with current student athletes like should I not pay taxes

728
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 7: right now on my earning and wait and paint at

729
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 7: the end of the year and then go into quarterly

730
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 7: tax payments for kind of ten ninety nine work.

731
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: So that I can invest that money. I'm talking about nineteen.

732
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 7: And twenty year olds in business classes and taking financial

733
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 7: literacy classes through their athletics department. It's not the lack

734
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 7: of provision of education, information and context that people involved

735
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 7: have to receive that whether it's Mesopotamia, real estate deals,

736
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 7: or how to balance your checkbook, it's not just that

737
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 7: the educational opportunity and.

738
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: The information is provided.

739
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 7: They have a responsibility to understand. They have to consume

740
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 7: that information and internalize it and use it. And I

741
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 7: would say too for the people around the student athlete,

742
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 7: for the young person involved in college athletics. You know,

743
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 7: the notion that what's happening around nil payments just continues

744
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 7: all the way through life, I think can be kind

745
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 7: of a perceived pot of gold at the end of

746
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 7: a rainbow that's just going to continue. And I think

747
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 7: we all know that hard work, dedication, perseverance, taking a

748
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 7: risk here and there, betting on yourself, those are the

749
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 7: things through the next forty years of life that sets

750
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 7: you up for success, not that defined area between you know,

751
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 7: eighteen and twenty two. In fact, there's a John Grisham

752
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 7: novel called Bleachers about a high school football player. And

753
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 7: I'll paraphrase one of the lines in this novel and hey,

754
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 7: it's a novel, but it's pretty wise, which is the

755
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 7: worst thing that can happen to somebody is that become

756
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 7: the biggest deal ever when they're eighteen or nineteen years old,

757
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 7: because there's a whole lifetime ahead of you.

758
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: Big twelve ACC commissioners on your Christmas card list, you guys.

759
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 7: So yeah, hey, disagreements Finally one of my great conversations

760
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 7: a oneth to go. Roy Kramer, who was SEC Commissioner

761
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 7: number six, was telling me stories about going to me

762
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 7: with Jim Delaney and Tom Hansen, who was the PAC

763
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 7: twelve commissioner, and like he said, we walk out of

764
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 7: that room and we hated each other, and then we

765
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 7: went home, we got to work and figured it out.

766
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 3: I think disagreement's absolutely fine. It makes us better.

767
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 7: And I think for the fact that we comment about

768
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 7: each other, we have a conversation as the four of

769
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 7: us tomorrow and yeah, we rob each other off from

770
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 7: time to time, but we do have a responsibility to

771
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 7: work together, and I think each each of us understands

772
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 7: that responsibility.

773
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: Play nice, thanks for joining us.

774
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll go to the sandbox and see what we

775
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: can do.

776
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: That's Greg Sanky, SEC Commissioner.

777
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

778
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

779
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

780
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: Dereck Henry. He is the Baltimore Ravens star. Let me

781
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: give the full lineup here. He is a five time

782
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: Pro bowler. He is the twenty twenty NFL Offensive Player

783
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: of the Year, two time rushing champ, three time rushing

784
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: touchdown leader. Signed a two year, thirty million dollar deal

785
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: in the off season. Twenty five million is guaranteed. All

786
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the running backs are valued again. Derrick

787
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: Henry joining us on the program. Good to talk to

788
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: you again. You know, let me start when you went

789
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: to Alabama. You had one of the more decorated high

790
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: school resumes in history of any running back, maybe the

791
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: greatest of any running back. Then you go to Alabama

792
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: and you're like third or fourth on the depth chart.

793
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: How do you how do you process that from going

794
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: from what you were in high school to a backup

795
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: back up at Alabama.

796
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that was one of my first times

797
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 8: that I actually like experienced adversity, which was really good

798
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 8: for me coming into to that program being highly recruited

799
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 8: and having a stellar high school career and then coming

800
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 8: to Alabama getting humbled.

801
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 3: Really really quick.

802
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: Uh it was.

803
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 8: It was really good for me and a great learning

804
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 8: experience for me as well, being so young because I

805
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 8: graduated high school early in the road that spring and

806
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 8: got to got to participate in spring football and uh

807
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 8: get a jump on that early and then up then

808
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 8: end up getting hurt the last scrimmage practice right before

809
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 8: the spring game. Uh, fractured my fibula and tore all

810
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 8: the ligaments in my ankle.

811
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: So that year was a big adversity learned a year

812
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: from me.

813
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

814
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: I'll say probably my rookie year. And in camp.

815
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 8: I think we were might have been a running play

816
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 8: kind of got lit up a little bit by Sean Spence.

817
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: Uh what do you mean you kind of got lit

818
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: up like like like he hit me.

819
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: I didn't fall, but.

820
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 8: Like kind of got knocked back a little bit and

821
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 8: then I end up finishing the play. But I gotta

822
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 8: got a good pop out of it.

823
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: This is in practice.

824
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: This in practice.

825
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're allowed to hit you that hard.

826
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 8: I mean it's a thud, but like we mean we're

827
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 8: going for Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be loud,

828
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 8: a stout dude.

829
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: You ever knocked anybody out in practice?

830
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: No, I don't try to do anything like that.

831
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: Well, they might run into you and knock themselves out, yeah,

832
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: I mean.

833
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: If if the collision is that big. But I try

834
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: to be nice to my teammates.

835
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: What do you do better now at thirty one than

836
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: you did it twenty one?

837
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 8: I think the game has just come with more experience,

838
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 8: you know what to expect. Uh, look at tendensees. I mean,

839
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 8: as long as you study film, it'll make it a

840
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 8: lot easier to atisation to the to the little things.

841
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: But what are you looking for when you know you're

842
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: getting the ball?

843
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

844
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so Lamar is calling the play and then all

845
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: of a sudden and then that two seconds, three seconds,

846
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: whatever it is. What are you looking at?

847
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 8: Well, ma'am, just looking at the defense, seeing how they

848
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 8: are aligned, trying to see what I can make happen.

849
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 8: I mean, because they give you a picture and then

850
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 8: the snap of finger that could change as soon as

851
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 8: the ball is snap. So I just try to try

852
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 8: to see what the defense is given us and not

853
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 8: try to anticipate too much because you don't want to

854
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 8: make a pre snap the decision. But just let it

855
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 8: come naturally, but just really try to get a picture

856
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 8: from the defense really then be out there running.

857
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: When did the shift go back to now running backs

858
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: are valued with you and Sa Kuan?

859
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like we had that big commotion about it like

860
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 8: a year and a half ago when the market was

861
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 8: it was really sad. You know, we you know, wanted

862
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 8: to do something about it, and I think the biggest

863
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 8: solution was play better, show our value.

864
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: But you had to get the opportunities to carry the ball,

865
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: to run for nineteen hundred yards and in Saquon for

866
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: two thousand.

867
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think you know, at the time,

868
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 8: I was still Intenden see when that big commotion came about,

869
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 8: and he was in New York and a lot of

870
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 8: guys were still on different teams.

871
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 3: And next year some of us are free agents.

872
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 8: We all got a little different franchises and you know,

873
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 8: new opportunities, new beginnings, and it all worked out well

874
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 8: for us, and the market is, you know, where we

875
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 8: wanted to get it to for the future of guys

876
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 8: that's coming out to us.

877
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: We're talking to Derrick Henry. He signed a two year,

878
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: thirty million dollar extension twenty five million guaranteed signing. But

879
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: when's the last time you spent a lot of money

880
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: on something like you splurged?

881
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: He went, oh boy, yeah, I mean I don't try

882
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: to spurge too much.

883
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: Something crazy that I know.

884
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: I know, but everything. Everybody has something that they really like.

885
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you like what you like.

886
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 8: And I think my biggest thing right now is I'm

887
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 8: into like watches. I love I love watches. All right,

888
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 8: what what did you buy.

889
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 3: Recently? Purchased?

890
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 8: Was like, I think I got a a platinum Daytona Rolex. Okay,

891
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 8: that was a nice one.

892
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, you gotta gotta treat yourself. Yeah.

893
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: But but if you're in New York City, you can

894
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: buy those watches that look like real Rolelexes and then

895
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: you don't have to spend you know, fifty sixty million,

896
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: you know, one thousand dollars on it, saying.

897
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about that.

898
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: You can you can't. You can't buy them though, you

899
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: should wear in the game one time, you know, just

900
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, it'd be it'd be great advertising.

901
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: There, definitely would I just do it?

902
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: Though? Heck no, uh the bench press game, Let's go

903
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: around the room one rap derek'spouse all right, Todd four

904
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: forty or forty, Seaton four fifty five, Marvin for twenty five,

905
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: Pauli for twenty five. I'm gonna go four thirty five,

906
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: one rep.

907
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: I think you might be.

908
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 8: Right, man, I think that's the last last time I've

909
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 8: been like heavy max probably for thirty.

910
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 2: Five, okay, but that would probably be up there among

911
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: the top running backs. I'm guessing. I don't know.

912
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: I mean some strong guys in the league.

913
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 8: And it's been a while since I did a max bench,

914
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 8: But last time I did it, it was probably probably

915
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 8: for thirty five.

916
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: All right, black dumb bell, like dumb bill, bitch.

917
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: What about forty yard dash? What would you run it?

918
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: Now? Probably the same when I when I ran it

919
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 3: during the combine? What was that? It was like four

920
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: four five four four five two okay.

921
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: But you seem to be faster when you're carrying the football.

922
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: There's certain guys who run faster when people are chasing them.

923
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: I feel that way. I don't know, you know, you know,

924
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: some people say you have like.

925
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 8: Testing speed, and then some people have football speed, and

926
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 8: I definitely feel like that's the case for me.

927
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm more faster on the field. If

928
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: I had you and Lamar race, Oh, I like me.

929
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess he likes him.

930
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure? Who did you have?

931
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: Did you have a poster on your wall?

932
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: Growing up?

933
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 8: I was a big Ladaian Thompson fan, but I like

934
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 8: all running backs though, but I was a big LT fan.

935
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 8: I said, I had his Bible head jersey. I love LT.

936
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: What What have you talked to him?

937
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

938
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 8: I talked LT plenty of times. Heank you did he

939
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 8: get some time with him as a little Nike event

940
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 8: at Nike Hill.

941
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: But he runs differently than you.

942
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 8: Do, way differently, And I thought I can run like

943
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 8: him until I got older and the bigger our guy,

944
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 8: I was like, maybe I'm not like.

945
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: Do you wish you were built like Ladanian more than

946
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: you're built like you?

947
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: No?

948
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 8: I mean the Danis and Ladanian and I'm me so

949
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 8: God make me the way I need to be made.

950
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: So I'm sure there are defenders that wish you were

951
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: built like Ladanian.

952
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: There was running now, I mean you know that size

953
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 3: ain't matter, and it was he was the truth.

954
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Congrats on the contract extension.

955
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: There, appreciate it, Thank you, thank you.

956
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: Can we get to two thousand yards this year. I mean,

957
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: why stop at nineteen hundred.

958
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

959
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: I know how important was two thousand for you?

960
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't really, it wasn't. It wasn't important at all.

961
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 8: But you know, when you get that close, everybody's like, hey,

962
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 8: you couldn't get two thousands, thine hundred, you couldn't get

963
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 8: two thousand.

964
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I don't know what in my cards?

965
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 3: That's you?

966
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: Well and uh, nice to talk to you. We'll talk

967
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: to you again. Thank you again, and congrats on the contract.

968
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 8: Appreciate it, Dan, Thank you for wearing that hoodie. Man,

969
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 8: I'm green, brighten up my day. Appreciate it.

970
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, this is Happy Gilmore too.

971
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: This is what Adam so, okay, that's one of my

972
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, I was helling my favorite actors. So that's

973
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: what's up.

974
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: So that that's the Happy Gilmore golf swing right there,

975
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 2: that patch right there.

976
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 8: Hey, if you can you do my favorite Yeah, if

977
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 8: you ever see him again, tell him I'm a really

978
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 8: big fan.

979
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: I would really love to meet him one day.

980
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm going to

981
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: text him today and ask if he'll send a video please,

982
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to send it.

983
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: To the Ravens. Okay. Cool, I'm a huge fan. Okay.

984
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: And if you get to two thousand yards, I'll get

985
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: you in a Sandler movie.

986
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: All right, Cool? Say no more? Is that all right?

987
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: Remember that? Now you remember this. Remember no.

988
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: I'll take care of my end of it, okay. I

989
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: mean mine's easy, Yeah, yours is hard. You got to

990
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: get two thousand yards, no more. No pressure, that is all, no.

991
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: Pressure at all.

992
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, alright, see y'all.