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Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Hello Loves Welcome back today. You are in
Speaker 1: for a no BS conversation full of practical insight from
Speaker 1: one of my favorite voices in the enlightenment space, Amber Hawken.
Speaker 1: Amber is a neuro linguistic programming master practitioner say that
Speaker 1: really Fast, a cognitive behavioral therapist, and the author of
Speaker 1: the best selling book The Unfunkiible Life. Sorry, Mom, You're
Speaker 1: going to hear some f bombs during this one. Amber
Speaker 1: is a wonderful speaker, teacher, and friend, and I am
Speaker 1: so glad that she's joining us today. Here we go,
Speaker 1: you say, Ambert, thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 1: the Holy Human podcast. I am so inspired by you
Speaker 1: and your work and I follow you. Everybody should go
Speaker 1: follow her on Instagram because you have the best videos,
Speaker 1: you have the best bits of information that always so
Speaker 1: hit home and just bring a lot of wisdom and
Speaker 1: a lot of grounded wisdom to the table. And I
Speaker 1: am just grateful. I'm grateful for that. The world should
Speaker 1: be grateful for that. So thank you, well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. It's an it's an honor to here. Really.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about you is your groundedness
Speaker 1: and how you're just kind of no bullshit and you're
Speaker 1: willing to You're willing to go there wherever there maybe
Speaker 1: you're willing to go there. And you wrote a book
Speaker 1: called The Unfunned with the bull Life, which is my
Speaker 1: favorite title. I wanted to start there. I want to
Speaker 1: know what unfunned with the ball means? How does one
Speaker 1: become unfun with the ball? You know what, Really, it's
Speaker 1: so much easier. It's so easy. It's really really simple.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that to insult anyone or be confusing.
Speaker 1: So the basis of the book really, it's got seven
Speaker 1: different chapters and seven different codes so to speak, you know,
Speaker 1: to put it into some context, and it's about connection
Speaker 1: and vulnerability, right to live from a place of inspiration
Speaker 1: and freedom. And that's that's, you know, that fancy little
Speaker 1: title thing underneath it helps explain what it is. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm punching out Pinterest quotes here, but essentially
Speaker 1: the whole thing is about instead of adding ship to yourself,
Speaker 1: you take it all away and you just become the
Speaker 1: most simple, unique, pure form of yourself for for lack
Speaker 1: of a better you know, less fluffy term um. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it's all of the stuff that we put
Speaker 1: on and all the things that we think about ourselves
Speaker 1: and all of the stuff that we think about life
Speaker 1: that makes us so uh fuckab fuckable. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: my mom. Okay, So just just to put this into
Speaker 1: some context, this word. My mother listened to my first
Speaker 1: episode of this podcast and she was like, can you
Speaker 1: just can you? It was great minus bnnus the F word,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, my mom's gonna love when
Speaker 1: Amber comes out of here because we're going to just
Speaker 1: talk about unfunk with the bottle. Sorry, Lean's mom, I
Speaker 1: love you. Okay, that's probably like we'll smooth it over. No,
Speaker 1: that's it's so interesting because yes, you're talking about taking away,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about because we're right now a lot
Speaker 1: of things are being taken away from all of us
Speaker 1: until it has to happen. We're not really wants to
Speaker 1: choose to allow things to fall away. And I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm just now getting to a place in my
Speaker 1: life with certain things where life's taken enough for me
Speaker 1: and I'm actually taking the reins back and like actually
Speaker 1: choosing to to put myself out there and be vulnerable.
Speaker 1: It's taking a long time for me to get there,
Speaker 1: and it's it's only in certain places of my life
Speaker 1: because I know in other places it's very hard for
Speaker 1: me to choose those the breakdown or to choose the
Speaker 1: upheavaling that has to happen sometimes where we're all sitting
Speaker 1: right now with things being taken, you know, from us,
Speaker 1: it does give us an opportunity to rebuild, but the
Speaker 1: first has to be a breakdown. And I saw something
Speaker 1: the other day where you were talking about how the
Speaker 1: breakdown was so important. Can you talk about that breakdown
Speaker 1: piece for a moment and why it's so important and
Speaker 1: how we can start to normalize this piece because I
Speaker 1: feel like it's something we all want to run from.
Speaker 1: If it's okay, I'd love to share a story from
Speaker 1: my retreat on the weekend because it's really relative to this.
Speaker 1: Would it be okay, please? Yes, I would love that.
Speaker 1: So my alchemy retreats are the very deep healing places,
Speaker 1: so we we create a container where deep healing can occur.
Speaker 1: And when I say deep healing, it could be on
Speaker 1: a cellular level, but it can be generational, you know,
Speaker 1: down the lineage of a feminine energy of women, of
Speaker 1: the person itself, of the woman in his lifetime, because
Speaker 1: this particular one was was female only. And on day
Speaker 1: three is when people start to really really let's say,
Speaker 1: breakdown day one and two. They've had these beautiful experiences.
Speaker 1: You know, they've done a sweat lodge their day two
Speaker 1: of their juice fast, so but they've already had a
Speaker 1: cleanse beforehand, so they're feeling light, they're feeling you know,
Speaker 1: beautiful to connect with these people, they're feeling open, even
Speaker 1: though they wouldn't normally, you know, be in situations where
Speaker 1: they're open. So they've been there forty eight hours and
Speaker 1: then the morning of day three we went for a
Speaker 1: silent hike. And by the time that they get down
Speaker 1: and we land back in the shallah and we check in,
Speaker 1: people are tired. You know. They want their fucking food back,
Speaker 1: they want their bed back, they want to go home,
Speaker 1: they want their comforts, they want to you know, they
Speaker 1: want to go back to their family. They don't want
Speaker 1: to keep looking at themselves, they don't want to keep exploring.
Speaker 1: They're just like, I'm done. And so when we check
Speaker 1: in and there was about of them that had this
Speaker 1: pain in their right side, like oh, my right neck
Speaker 1: or my right back on my right hip, or my
Speaker 1: my gut feels bloated, and someone um, you know, she
Speaker 1: had an experience where she was really frustrated. She was
Speaker 1: so angry that people were talking at the top of
Speaker 1: the mountain peak because you know, she believed that people
Speaker 1: should shut the heck up because it's nature. And you know,
Speaker 1: so you see this this wilderness come out and these
Speaker 1: women and they start to get raging and fiery, and
Speaker 1: it's it's really beautiful to see because at first, like
Speaker 1: they want to be there and they in and they
Speaker 1: chose that and they talk about that. But day three,
Speaker 1: that commitment kind of goes out the window and they
Speaker 1: just want their comforts back. And it's a really really
Speaker 1: unique and profound place to be because it's at that
Speaker 1: point that they start to see the areas in their
Speaker 1: life where they had these comforts up. They didn't even know,
Speaker 1: we're comfortable. They had these created these perfect performances of
Speaker 1: who they were that created these build ups of strength,
Speaker 1: of of of almost hardness, but most of all, the
Speaker 1: micro managing of life and other people and themselves, including
Speaker 1: their emotions and it all came down to control. These
Speaker 1: women just did the beautiful work of having to look
Speaker 1: right in the face of that manipulative, very very smart
Speaker 1: part of our intellect that control the manipulated the so
Speaker 1: so cunning, you know, absolutely, and um, and so the
Speaker 1: right side is energetically speaking, it depends what lens you're
Speaker 1: looking through, but energetically speaking as seen as the masculine
Speaker 1: side of our energy. And every single one of the
Speaker 1: women who had an acre or a pain was on
Speaker 1: their right. And so we spoke to control. And Michael
Speaker 1: Singer talks about this so beautifully. Um. He wrote the
Speaker 1: book The Surrender Experiment and The Untended Soul, some of
Speaker 1: my favorite books. And because he tells stories and I
Speaker 1: really enjoy the way that he teaches. So he tells
Speaker 1: a story about a field that this gentleman goes to
Speaker 1: and he sees this beautiful light in the field and
Speaker 1: he likes to capture the lights so much that he
Speaker 1: builds a house. And I'm speeding up the version, but
Speaker 1: essentially he puts blinds on the house, he locks himself
Speaker 1: in the house, and then he gets afraid because he
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to sustain light. And this goes on
Speaker 1: over years and how we can relate to this story essentially,
Speaker 1: is we do this. We we create something or we
Speaker 1: get to an experience we that we like, that we
Speaker 1: like feeling a certain state, a certain emotion, a certain
Speaker 1: way that we're being perceived by the world, a certain
Speaker 1: level of acceptance or love or validation. Usually quite primitive,
Speaker 1: quite very human. Um, it needs that we want emotionally
Speaker 1: to feel safe and connected. And we've got these sources
Speaker 1: for them, like these resources that are from the outside.
Speaker 1: We've got them, and so we create our lives so
Speaker 1: we can sustain that resource. Sometimes, um, they become well,
Speaker 1: actually I say this a lot about our our defensive
Speaker 1: mechanisms when we're younger, or our protective mechanisms when we're
Speaker 1: younger become our defensive ones when we're older and destructive. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we create these habits and these ideas about ourselves
Speaker 1: which are also habits, these sources of this sense of
Speaker 1: control or safety, all love or validation, and then we
Speaker 1: don't want to give them up. So in that video
Speaker 1: that you spoke to, I was talking about when our
Speaker 1: relationship starts to break down, or you feel a path
Speaker 1: that you've been going begins to drain you, or such
Speaker 1: as what happened in the world right now, All of
Speaker 1: the things that were in place that made us feel stable,
Speaker 1: that made us feel let's just say comfortable, m we're
Speaker 1: stripped back and exposed. Where we were outsourcing our sense
Speaker 1: of self. We were outsourcing our sense of feeling stable
Speaker 1: and comfortable and free and liberated and as if we
Speaker 1: had choice in that matter, and this sense of control.
Speaker 1: When it is taken away, we realized how dependent we
Speaker 1: were on other things, including people, to have a sense
Speaker 1: of self, to have an idea of stability and freedom
Speaker 1: and love. When those things are stripped away, it gives
Speaker 1: us the opportunity to see where we can take back
Speaker 1: our power in a way, take back where we were
Speaker 1: giving away our power because we were just sitting in
Speaker 1: habit We were sitting in complacency, we were sitting in comfort.
Speaker 1: And this might be the way that we look It
Speaker 1: could be the fact that we might feel like we're aging.
Speaker 1: Where things get to this state where we feel, oh,
Speaker 1: I like that feeling, or I like this money, or
Speaker 1: I like this friendship. And when we have not ensourced
Speaker 1: our sense of deep, deep connection with something greater than ourselves,
Speaker 1: then we will automatically outsource it, and when that gets
Speaker 1: pulled away, we noticed that we were attached to it
Speaker 1: for all of that sense of comfort. And that's when
Speaker 1: we freak the funk out and we want to hold
Speaker 1: on for dear life, and we feel like something has
Speaker 1: been done to us. We feel like our power has
Speaker 1: been taken away, we feel misused, we feel almost tricked
Speaker 1: by life in a way because it's been taken from us.
Speaker 1: But all that that trigger, all that that spikiness, all
Speaker 1: that that resistance and that emotional pain is showing us
Speaker 1: is where we were outsourcing our own power. And that's
Speaker 1: why it's so important to let go when things fall apart,
Speaker 1: because it can show us where we can begin to
Speaker 1: in source and fill up and reclaim that from within,
Speaker 1: because we all want to be self guided, self governed,
Speaker 1: self directed, liberated beings, and we cannot be that if
Speaker 1: we do not know where we're outsourcing our power. And
Speaker 1: then there's this piece of like you're basically saying surrendering,
Speaker 1: which is like, oh yeah, just surrender. Then that's my
Speaker 1: favorite word actually that I've really had to come into
Speaker 1: deep contact with. I still don't even think that I'm
Speaker 1: I've fully gone there with that word, for instance, just
Speaker 1: giving you know these this time that we're in, using
Speaker 1: it as an example if you were going to tell
Speaker 1: someone to surrender to the process, because I know we
Speaker 1: all fight it. I mean we fight it tooth and nail.
Speaker 1: I know my own personality is like I'm going, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna latch on. It used to be, it's not anymore
Speaker 1: because I can be the witness to the experience too,
Speaker 1: maybe like fifty percent of time, which is which I say,
Speaker 1: is doing pretty well, and I can see the bigger
Speaker 1: picture of things when I get into myself, into my
Speaker 1: this singular being that I think is not connected with anything.
Speaker 1: When I get last in that story, it's so hard
Speaker 1: to not fight it. How do you start to loosen
Speaker 1: the grip? Really good question. Again, even as I'm saying it,
Speaker 1: my own ego fights and a kicko. It's so simple.
Speaker 1: We think it's so far away, and we think it's
Speaker 1: so hard, and that that's what makes you know, that's
Speaker 1: what makes it really difficult. So surrender is something that
Speaker 1: the mind grabs onto and makes another goal out of.
Speaker 1: And we often think that we can surrender by saying,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm surrendered, but really we're just trying to
Speaker 1: manipulate life because someone maybe we were read in a
Speaker 1: spiritual book or we listen to this podcast with LeAnn
Speaker 1: and ever and they said surrender. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: surrender because when I surrender, then what I want will happen,
Speaker 1: or when I surrender it will all work out, or
Speaker 1: when I surrendered, then the thing will come. When I surrender,
Speaker 1: then I won't feel this way. So you can see
Speaker 1: there's like a micromanagement or an attempt to micro manage
Speaker 1: the universe and cover it and manipulate life by surrendering.
Speaker 1: And that's when the universe is just gonna sit back
Speaker 1: and laugh in your face and say no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, it's just not how this works. Surrender means surrender.
Speaker 1: Surrender means except the fact that you in a sense
Speaker 1: you can trust, that you can trust yourself, that you
Speaker 1: can trust life. So implicitly, so let go let go
Speaker 1: of thinking you need that thing to come, that you
Speaker 1: think that you're surrendering for so it can happen, or
Speaker 1: that you can't survive this feeling. Therefore you're going to
Speaker 1: surrender so it goes away, or that you surrender so
Speaker 1: therefore the thing arrives that you're trying to manifest all
Speaker 1: that you desire so much, Just let it go because,
Speaker 1: as you can see, the theme here is our attachment.
Speaker 1: We want the thing, we want the feeling to go away,
Speaker 1: we want the thing to come, we want the stuff
Speaker 1: to happen. Surrender is absolute leaning into a sense of
Speaker 1: powerlessness and the irony heling, and it's it's like, as
Speaker 1: soon as we let go of needing it, it's us
Speaker 1: for me, I'm I can definitely feel myself learning and
Speaker 1: leaning into a deeper trust with life. And it's amazing
Speaker 1: the things that start showing up and the things that
Speaker 1: and once again not using like you're saying surrender or
Speaker 1: trusting as this goal, because you're right about that, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: if I should just trust everything's going to come, it does,
Speaker 1: but not necessarily in that way and the way that
Speaker 1: we think it's going to That's the interesting, beautiful game
Speaker 1: of life. Learning to a deeper trust with self, to
Speaker 1: um and knowing that I have me has been the
Speaker 1: key for a deeper sense of trust with all that
Speaker 1: is all. Right. On that note, we're going to take
Speaker 1: a super quick break that you can trust that will
Speaker 1: be right back with more Amber Hawkins, see what I
Speaker 1: get there. Welcome back everyone. We were just talking about
Speaker 1: cultivating more trust in others and ourselves. You asked before
Speaker 1: how we actually begin to do it, and honestly, it's practice.
Speaker 1: It's like when people ask me, how do I not
Speaker 1: react when I'm triggering in the middle of a you know,
Speaker 1: a conversation or a fiery situation where a partner or
Speaker 1: someone at work. It's what you do outside of those
Speaker 1: moment that counts. Breath is always my favorite practice that
Speaker 1: I teach people because if we breathe coherently right through
Speaker 1: the nose, what it does is it supports our nervous
Speaker 1: system to completely calm down. My goal always is to
Speaker 1: just guide people back to their center. That's it, because
Speaker 1: once I can guide you there, or once you've got
Speaker 1: yourself there, maybe a little bit of support, you know
Speaker 1: how to get there, You know where it is, you
Speaker 1: know it's infinitely available. You know that that's the safest
Speaker 1: place where you can trust, and that's where life makes
Speaker 1: sense even when it looks chaotic outside. So the more
Speaker 1: time you spend connected to that place of your center,
Speaker 1: the less time you spend up here. Because the truest
Speaker 1: part of ourselves, like the truest part of ourselves will
Speaker 1: never harm us, and that includes thoughts. M So if
Speaker 1: we can sit in our center and we can feel complete,
Speaker 1: just stillness, just calm, just balance, harmony, coherence, presence, and
Speaker 1: we've connected to that. When we can hear this chaos
Speaker 1: going up in our mind, we can then observe, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if that's it, Like there's not going to be enough
Speaker 1: for me, or what do people think about me? Or
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a failure, or I doubt myself.
Speaker 1: These are all kind of semi violent thoughts in a way.
Speaker 1: If we think them enough times, it hurts ourselves. So
Speaker 1: we can remember, ah, that's that's not true, that's not
Speaker 1: what's true, and we can connect back to this. So
Speaker 1: it's the practices that we do in our being, in
Speaker 1: our human self, that support the surrender of the deepest
Speaker 1: part of ourselves. When I was watching some of your videos,
Speaker 1: something that started to come up from me because you
Speaker 1: were talking about over consumption, which I would love to
Speaker 1: get into with you, but of course we're all sitting
Speaker 1: at home right now and have been over consumed. Me
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and I see myself doing it. I'm totally
Speaker 1: watching myself doing it and going, well, I'm just it's
Speaker 1: just part of it, like there and there in lies
Speaker 1: my humanness, you know. But one thing that really started
Speaker 1: to I started to ponder, and I have no idea
Speaker 1: about any of this yet because it actually scares me
Speaker 1: to go sit with this and I sit with empty
Speaker 1: nous in meditation a certain form of it obviously, but
Speaker 1: I think what I started to feel like we're all
Speaker 1: getting at here. For me, this shows up in many
Speaker 1: different forms. Was though to be able to be empty,
Speaker 1: to be able to sit in emptiness, to not have
Speaker 1: constant simulation, to you know, this shows up in forms
Speaker 1: for me, like with food. If I don't know where
Speaker 1: my next meal is coming from, Like I get like
Speaker 1: so much anxiety because all of a sudden, I'm afraid
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be empty. If I, you know, don't have
Speaker 1: work in the future, I'm afraid I'm going to be empty.
Speaker 1: And it was an interesting thing that started to pop
Speaker 1: up for me of like the basis of all of this.
Speaker 1: What I feel like is we don't know how to
Speaker 1: be empty. You've meditated before, rightly you sing and you
Speaker 1: feel alive and full, yeah, yeah, and you feel connected
Speaker 1: to something much greater than your ego or fear. And
Speaker 1: when you're in that space, there is no such thing
Speaker 1: as emptiness or fullness. Right, Yes, it's all we'll ever find.
Speaker 1: We will only ever find fullness in that space. Ever,
Speaker 1: it's just whatever our mind is saying. Like all of this,
Speaker 1: which we all do, I do. I do it all
Speaker 1: the time, don't like anyone listening. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: Just because I know the practice of this and I
Speaker 1: can teach it doesn't mean that I still don't get
Speaker 1: stuck in it. But what I know for certain is
Speaker 1: that that is all just mental masturbation. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's just mental masturbation. And so my point is is
Speaker 1: that the idea that that is empty is the thing
Speaker 1: that's creating resistance, right right. And can I tell a
Speaker 1: little bit more of ex of the story to to
Speaker 1: add to contacts with from the retreat. So that day
Speaker 1: one of these women, she's I get goose bumps thinking
Speaker 1: about her, saying that she was so vulnerable, she her
Speaker 1: face was so red with anger, she had these tears
Speaker 1: running down her face, and she was almost shaking, and
Speaker 1: she said, whatever you said. Before Amber and I we
Speaker 1: were talking about control and we were talking about connection
Speaker 1: and resistance and all of this kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: she's like, made me want to break through, And if
Speaker 1: I could reach out and hit you, I would. And
Speaker 1: it's taking me everything to not dig my hands and
Speaker 1: my nails into my hand and punch the wall instead.
Speaker 1: And I might beautiful great because we finally touched something
Speaker 1: that you weren't willing to see before and what it was,
Speaker 1: and we, you know, got down to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: It was that she was so afraid if she let
Speaker 1: a little bit go, that the whole house would crumble,
Speaker 1: and that she wouldn't be able to support her family,
Speaker 1: do a really good job. That she works for the government,
Speaker 1: quite high up in some really high stakes stuff. And
Speaker 1: she was afraid that if she let herself go, if
Speaker 1: she let all of that rigidity and what we what
Speaker 1: we have in this world thought or mistakenly thought was strength, go,
Speaker 1: she would fall apart and crumble. But the thing I was,
Speaker 1: and I remember saying it to her, and I was like,
Speaker 1: whoever said you were the house? H you know, and
Speaker 1: we build this idea that all of this is the house,
Speaker 1: and if we let the walls go, what are we
Speaker 1: going to find? But just like that story in Michael
Speaker 1: Singer's book The Untended Soul where he built the house
Speaker 1: around in the field that he liked the light in
Speaker 1: to try and keep and retain the light. When you
Speaker 1: let the walls fall away, you have infinite light. You
Speaker 1: have infinite availability to whatever it is that we keep
Speaker 1: trying to seek by holding the walls up. And so
Speaker 1: the only barrier between us and that is us telling
Speaker 1: ourselves that we're stuck, or us telling ourselves that we're empty,
Speaker 1: or us telling ourselves that this and buying into that.
Speaker 1: Just drop into your heart, drop into your body with
Speaker 1: music or breath as soon as you can, and move
Speaker 1: away from the thought, and you will see that it
Speaker 1: is just it was nothing. Yeah, Well that's you talk
Speaker 1: a lot about the meaning we give things, and I've
Speaker 1: been really digging into that with my own self after
Speaker 1: starting to think about that. I mean not that I
Speaker 1: haven't thought about that many times before. I have, but
Speaker 1: it was great to be reminded of the sticky places
Speaker 1: in my life of like what am I making this
Speaker 1: mean about me? About the world, you know, but mostly
Speaker 1: about myself. And I'm finding and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people can relate to this Underneath all this is
Speaker 1: a story of scarcity, that I'm not enough, that it's
Speaker 1: not enough, that I won't have enough. And that's why
Speaker 1: I feel like the emptiness that I speak of for
Speaker 1: myself is so scary to touch, because I've made that
Speaker 1: empty mean that there's a lack and that there's not enough.
Speaker 1: And so to sit in that at this moment for
Speaker 1: so many people, I think is so uncomfortable. It's so
Speaker 1: very real, and it's it's understandable because of the things
Speaker 1: that we've made it mean. It's I know that it's
Speaker 1: not I'm not the only one that empty means, you know, scarcity,
Speaker 1: And then people might have another word like a loan
Speaker 1: or for or not, like it's the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: It's really challenging to to start to break away from
Speaker 1: that consensus as a you know, this mindset that we've
Speaker 1: all been connected to, and to to start to unhook
Speaker 1: from that to create our own sense of meaning. And
Speaker 1: when we do that, how do we how the fund
Speaker 1: do we make it stick? Because I think give meaning
Speaker 1: to something all day long, it's like, oh, this has
Speaker 1: a new meaning, and this is what I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: myself about it, Like how the hell How the hell
Speaker 1: do you make that stick? What makes anything real? How
Speaker 1: do we know something that's real like any of us?
Speaker 1: How do we know what's real? How do we know
Speaker 1: what thought is real? Our attention given to it for
Speaker 1: a enough period of time creates a focus on it,
Speaker 1: and it then creates an emotional stimulation, and then we
Speaker 1: feel that where in our body. And as soon as
Speaker 1: we've felt it and we can touch it, our mind says,
Speaker 1: now it's real. So our focus and our attention on
Speaker 1: something enough, it's like, imagine that you have lazy beams
Speaker 1: coming out of your eyes and whatever you look at,
Speaker 1: and that might be a thought in your mind or
Speaker 1: whatever you pay attention to, it's sending all of your
Speaker 1: energy to it, and it's kind of like the laser beams.
Speaker 1: When they touch it. This thing gets bigger and stronger
Speaker 1: and bigger and stronger and bigger and stronger and bigger
Speaker 1: and stronger, until it becomes a feeling inside of you,
Speaker 1: until it becomes a really strong emotion, until it becomes
Speaker 1: a thought pattern that seems really familiar, and you're like,
Speaker 1: now it's real. So, however, many times we have fed
Speaker 1: the idea that we weren't enough or that we couldn't relax.
Speaker 1: One that I have worked with for quite some time
Speaker 1: is I can only relax when I have X amount
Speaker 1: of stability in money and growth and this and this
Speaker 1: and this, and then I can finally relax. You know.
Speaker 1: That was one that I've worked with for years to
Speaker 1: switch around and so here's what I tell This is
Speaker 1: what I tell my people, and all the time you
Speaker 1: find the opposite of that. So I so to give
Speaker 1: you guys some context. Um, I'm an n LP Master
Speaker 1: practitioner and cognitive behavioral therapist. And back ten years ago
Speaker 1: when we did that, it took me two years to
Speaker 1: do this course, and I remember getting at the end
Speaker 1: being like, so we just choose a different thought. And
Speaker 1: that's I realized in two years of study. Oh so
Speaker 1: we just we just choose a different thought. That's it. Fuck, really,
Speaker 1: And even in healing, even in regression therapy, when you
Speaker 1: get to that point where someone is in that situation
Speaker 1: and perhaps they've got their mom, their dad, their dad
Speaker 1: who they were never good enough for, their mom that
Speaker 1: never showed any emotional love, and they're going through this
Speaker 1: experience and they're seeing this experience differently, and when they're
Speaker 1: reliving it differently, gives them a different perspective, which is
Speaker 1: essentially a different choice to see the situation differently. But
Speaker 1: in regression, you get to feel it in your body.
Speaker 1: So what's the difference between me doing a regression session
Speaker 1: with someone and someone doing it themselves? They go, you
Speaker 1: know what, since I co created with the universe based
Speaker 1: on what I choose to see and how I experience
Speaker 1: life and the energy that I embody, why don't I
Speaker 1: choose a different thought pattern? As in, when I sit
Speaker 1: with myself, I feel so full and alive and I
Speaker 1: know that I am infinitely supported and there is always enough,
Speaker 1: And right now it feels like I'm wearing, you know,
Speaker 1: a jasting for the first time. That feels like a lie,
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable because I've said the other thing for a
Speaker 1: really long time, and so Amber, You're just you're just
Speaker 1: telling me to lie to myself, and I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am, because you made up a lie before anyway, right,
Speaker 1: it was a lie anyway, So let's just choose a
Speaker 1: different one that makes us more aligned in flow with
Speaker 1: what's true for our deepest self, that I am always
Speaker 1: infinitely supported and that in emptiness I find fullness or
Speaker 1: in emptiness I find extreme love, or in spaciousness and stillness,
Speaker 1: I find myself and that fills me up. I just
Speaker 1: get them to keep going and going and going and
Speaker 1: making these big, you know, things that they want, and
Speaker 1: then they write it, they breathe until they get themselves
Speaker 1: into a subconscious liminal state. They think it, they visualize it,
Speaker 1: they write it again, they dance, and they move to
Speaker 1: it until it is in their body and in their being.
Speaker 1: I get them to look in the world where it
Speaker 1: already is. Because our mind is taking information and it
Speaker 1: chunks eleven million bits of information down to five to
Speaker 1: seven and whatever it was we focused on before, our
Speaker 1: brain can only take in so much. So it's going
Speaker 1: to take in what the goggles were, you know, So
Speaker 1: that's all it can do. So we have to consciously
Speaker 1: change those goggles. We have to consciously shift them by
Speaker 1: choosing to look somewhere else and feed a different story.
Speaker 1: What we do with the old feeling and the old
Speaker 1: fear that that you know, I can tell comes up
Speaker 1: when any of us sit in this sense of emptiness,
Speaker 1: and that means you've got to touch that, You've got
Speaker 1: to touch that deeply, and you've got to let yourself
Speaker 1: feel that fully or open to it, because then the
Speaker 1: energy will move through you, so you're not just trying
Speaker 1: to shove another thing over another thing, you know. The
Speaker 1: practice is to remove, disproof, reframe. That's all n LP
Speaker 1: and CBT ever is and that's the fun bit of
Speaker 1: the mind. We get to choose, and then we also
Speaker 1: have our body and our being and our breath and
Speaker 1: our feeling, and that becomes the marker or the magnet
Speaker 1: where we become the set point of what we pull
Speaker 1: in and what we see, and that's where it all begins.
Speaker 1: So we just kind of have to throw out all
Speaker 1: the rules, make them up, realize there never were any,
Speaker 1: and we get to we get to make them now.
Speaker 1: And that's it. I would love to give an example
Speaker 1: to people so that they can feel it while they're listening.
Speaker 1: Would that be would be? Okay? And I a guinea pig,
Speaker 1: I love it, okay? So what would be a thought
Speaker 1: that anyone who was listening could relate to and benefit from?
Speaker 1: How it's like, I'm always supported, There's always enough, there's
Speaker 1: more than enough, there's more where that came from? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we can think about love, all money or relationships
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. So do something that brings you
Speaker 1: joy first. That's your first thing you do. And it
Speaker 1: might be like dancing too, I don't know, lip syncing
Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody at you know, volume a hundred or something
Speaker 1: around the house, in your underwear, out and care like whatever.
Speaker 1: You're like, phoom, you're out of your head, you're in
Speaker 1: your body. It could be just doing ten minutes of breathing.
Speaker 1: And when I say ten minutes of breathing, I use
Speaker 1: the practice of grounding in your body, doing your scan
Speaker 1: and coherent breathing, even rhy meat breathing because it harmonizes
Speaker 1: your nervous system. And then when you're there, get out
Speaker 1: of pen and paper or and or close your eyes
Speaker 1: and right down. There is always more where that came from.
Speaker 1: There's always more where that came from. There's always more
Speaker 1: than where that came from. I'm infinitely supported. I'm infinitely supported.
Speaker 1: I make money at the drop of a hat. It's easy,
Speaker 1: it's effortless, and I love it. It's happened, it's happening.
Speaker 1: It's easy, it's effortless, and I love it. And you
Speaker 1: can be thinking about the thing that you want to
Speaker 1: pull in or work towards and when you've done that
Speaker 1: enough times and you're in a state of quiet presence
Speaker 1: and sentedness in yourself, it's impossible to not begin to
Speaker 1: feel that. Impossible unless when you're writing it, you're letting
Speaker 1: your mind focus on what you don't have or what
Speaker 1: you don't want, Because people will say, as soon as
Speaker 1: I feel that thought, I feel freer on my body,
Speaker 1: like a fucking bet that you're focusing on that it
Speaker 1: wasn't there, or that you couldn't see it, you thought
Speaker 1: it wasn't there, because of course it's there. Of course
Speaker 1: it's there. It always is. But the mind when I
Speaker 1: don't see it, or I don't believe it, or I
Speaker 1: don't try. That's why we've got to get into the
Speaker 1: body before we do this. I can see you giggling. Yeah, interesting, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I do. It's a I've been playing
Speaker 1: around with this a lot and just recognizing that that
Speaker 1: judge in my head he's become that it's a guy.
Speaker 1: It's a guy and I named from accident. His name
Speaker 1: is Tubby. And he looks like the Michelin man, like
Speaker 1: the big yeah marshmallow dude, and and he totally. He's
Speaker 1: such an assholt um, but he he is very loud.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when I start to move toward the thing of
Speaker 1: the new thought or the new the thing of change,
Speaker 1: that piece of me has gotten really cunning and very
Speaker 1: smart about analyzing everything and that obviously it's not showing
Speaker 1: up like it immediately needs like instant gratification or else
Speaker 1: it's not going to believe. And yeah, that voice is loud,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure so many people get related to that.
Speaker 1: And this is why it's and every day thing. You
Speaker 1: must do it every I don't want to say you
Speaker 1: must do this every day, but when you're starting to
Speaker 1: realize that you have depended we we me too. We
Speaker 1: all have grown up in a world where we were
Speaker 1: encouraged to depend on urline. And that's why you can
Speaker 1: hear the controlling part come in. It's not there. It's
Speaker 1: not there. And so what I do is encouraged people
Speaker 1: too and myself to actually go, oh, you're scared, we're
Speaker 1: not going to have enough. Maybe I got you, Like
Speaker 1: we're all good, we're doing this, this is what we're
Speaker 1: here for. Like I really hear you. I go, I
Speaker 1: know you're trying to protect us. I get it. You're
Speaker 1: super good at that. You're super good at making sure
Speaker 1: we're going to survive. Thank you so much. What we're
Speaker 1: going to do now is focus on where we're going,
Speaker 1: and we're going to create that energy within ourselves. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got you. You're safe. Chill out, because there are
Speaker 1: infinite possibilities in the universe right now, and and you're
Speaker 1: just fixated on the one that we don't want. And
Speaker 1: just like the tree, we're going to hit the tree
Speaker 1: if we keep looking at it. So can you come
Speaker 1: with me? And I kind of coax it, like just
Speaker 1: chill out, you know, because whatever we resist expanse and
Speaker 1: if we try and shish that part of ourselves, try
Speaker 1: and get away from it, it's going to run faster
Speaker 1: and it's going to come at us harder. So I
Speaker 1: try to turn towards and then just acknowledge it and
Speaker 1: then like after that, don't fit it, you know, like
Speaker 1: a little kids like cool. I hear you. I'm present
Speaker 1: with you, but I'm not going to keep enabling you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear you. Let's go back to what we want
Speaker 1: to create within ourselves, because we've depended up here and
Speaker 1: we think the only way to get somewhere is if
Speaker 1: we figured out how to get there. I think people
Speaker 1: think they need to understand it in order to make
Speaker 1: it work, but we don't. But the control, the figuring
Speaker 1: it all out of having it all the details in
Speaker 1: the answer, it's control and the control part of us.
Speaker 1: It's the part of the manipulative mind that doesn't actually
Speaker 1: understand that whatever it wants is already available and infinite
Speaker 1: right now. M So we've got to be compassionate with
Speaker 1: that part of ourselves. Does that make sense it doesn't know? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Something I found that's really helpful for me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not only to turn to word it, but
Speaker 1: to go straight into it and give it a voice.
Speaker 1: I have learned sometimes that actually, for me, that energy
Speaker 1: actually needs a voice for a moment to be heard.
Speaker 1: And then it starts to dissipate, it starts to get quieter,
Speaker 1: or the energy the energy itself because I've moved the
Speaker 1: energy all of a sudden, there's freedom in my body
Speaker 1: sometimes for me being compassionate, Yes, is I feel like
Speaker 1: compassion and sometimes also like I just have to let
Speaker 1: it out. I have to let it be an asshole
Speaker 1: totally totally. And you know, it might be screaming into
Speaker 1: a pillow or like as you hit the ball, or
Speaker 1: it could be gosh, anything and you're you're totally right.
Speaker 1: Could be tears, could be dance, could be whatever, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you're spot on. Yeah. And for me, I mean, what
Speaker 1: I've learned is sometimes it needs words. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: because when I start to go into that place and
Speaker 1: actually give it words, like all of a sudden wants
Speaker 1: to hide, like and it has nothing to say. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you have planted to say, Hey, you've got the mic,
Speaker 1: now come on. Yeah exactly, that's totally it. And it's
Speaker 1: like it wants to run away and hide. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what's so interesting I've learned about that piece
Speaker 1: of me. Is it actually it's scared. There's a that's
Speaker 1: all it is. It's it's a I mean, depending on
Speaker 1: what it's based around, like for instance, this podcast. For me,
Speaker 1: it's it's the fear of being seen fully. It's the
Speaker 1: fear of not having it once again. You're saying control,
Speaker 1: not the fear of not having control, the fear of
Speaker 1: not having it all together. Because like you know, when
Speaker 1: I've when I used to when I walk on stage
Speaker 1: it's like I've rehearsed, I know what I'm doing, Like
Speaker 1: no one sees the process, and so this for me
Speaker 1: is interesting because it's people get to hear the process,
Speaker 1: and sometimes my process is like thinking and talking as
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so I'm figuring it out. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's the I think for a lot of us, the
Speaker 1: that control piece isn't not allowed for obviously, the flip
Speaker 1: side of that is freedom, and so like we've missed
Speaker 1: out on so much freedom. And I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: I think that's the ultimate goal is not the right word,
Speaker 1: but if there was ever a sense of like what
Speaker 1: I'm working toward in my life, I think freedom is
Speaker 1: the bigger picture to be able to be sovereign in
Speaker 1: in our world, to have to realize we have choice,
Speaker 1: because we always do. You know. The illusion about freedom
Speaker 1: is that we think we're not already free, right, that's
Speaker 1: the part, you know, And again it's just still mental
Speaker 1: masturbation of the idea of control's illusion anyway, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a made up construct of ideas and thoughts that
Speaker 1: were like if this and this and this and this
Speaker 1: and this and this is in place, then I'm okay,
Speaker 1: we put conditions around our sense of ability to feel
Speaker 1: content and relax. And this is back to aid the
Speaker 1: control part, but be the outsourcing. Right when my blue
Speaker 1: print of what I think needs to happen in order
Speaker 1: for everything to go the way that I needed to
Speaker 1: go in order to feel okay, you can see we
Speaker 1: put a condition like in order for me to feel joy,
Speaker 1: I must this in order for me to feel free,
Speaker 1: this has to happen in order for me to do
Speaker 1: I remember speaking at this event once and this person
Speaker 1: asked me a question around like yeah, but I can't
Speaker 1: feel free until my mind stops being quiet, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, you're fucked, because it's never going to
Speaker 1: shut up, you know, like in jazz obviously, right I
Speaker 1: love I say this all the time, like like life
Speaker 1: and presence and bliss, all of this, this, this, this stillness,
Speaker 1: this this absolute centeredness within ourselves. That's all what we're
Speaker 1: searching for. And it is right here, and right here
Speaker 1: is where we're going to take a quick pass, but
Speaker 1: we'll be raped back. Welcome back, loaves. We are talking
Speaker 1: about uncovering what's already within. Most of my work is
Speaker 1: trying to tell, you know, is trying to tell people
Speaker 1: to sit down when they're already sitting. It's like you
Speaker 1: already have what you're looking for. You just got to
Speaker 1: go in and that when you access that and you
Speaker 1: choose to tap into that, and you trust that this
Speaker 1: idea of control is laughable again, and you've just got
Speaker 1: to visit there more than you visit your head m hm.
Speaker 1: And then you will begin to build a relationship with
Speaker 1: yourself that you abandoned and pushed away for so long.
Speaker 1: This work of contacting that part of ourselves it's like
Speaker 1: an orgasm. You push too hard, you try too hard,
Speaker 1: you stuff it up. You just got to relax, you
Speaker 1: know that's funny. Well, the relaxation piece is so interesting
Speaker 1: because we haven't been taught to relax, I mean we
Speaker 1: it's just the complete opposite. And so it's I mean,
Speaker 1: this is all retraining our being, like completely rewiring and
Speaker 1: disconnecting from our unhooking. Like I said, from what we've
Speaker 1: been taught our whole life. And it's not just what
Speaker 1: we've been taught you you mentioned earlier, like the ancestral lineage,
Speaker 1: that the things that are passed down within ourselves that
Speaker 1: we That was kind of one of my really big
Speaker 1: aha moments um when I first started on this journey
Speaker 1: that I've been on was no wonder. I feel like
Speaker 1: I have all of these these pieces of me, these
Speaker 1: energies and me um that aren't mine, like they've always
Speaker 1: kind of just felt like there's so much trauma from
Speaker 1: from my mother, from her mother, and like how much
Speaker 1: gets passed down. It's quite crazy how we have to
Speaker 1: start to separate what is mine to be able to
Speaker 1: heal all of that um for not only ourselves, but
Speaker 1: for our families. Whoever awakens in the family lineage, they
Speaker 1: have a big responsibility if they so choose, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can keep passing it down. I mean you can, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I have this true belief that healing doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be hard and heavy. That for me is my
Speaker 1: my choice of how I want to experience life, and
Speaker 1: because I want to hold that energy when I go
Speaker 1: into process with someone that this doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: hard and heavy and respond like responsibility. Yeah, that might
Speaker 1: have been the wrong. It's liberating. No, I think it's liberating.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think it's so liberating. And when
Speaker 1: you were saying it, I was more just reflecting than
Speaker 1: anything that I was like yeah, and I think it
Speaker 1: should be seen as the way it is, which is
Speaker 1: actually ease again with the orgasm, you know metaphor, if
Speaker 1: you push, if you try, and like you know, you
Speaker 1: get all the things in place. You set it all up.
Speaker 1: You've read the stuff you do, the things you say,
Speaker 1: the words you act, the way you move your body.
Speaker 1: It's robotic, it's all control. But when you actually just
Speaker 1: let go and you come back into what you are anyway,
Speaker 1: you will know exactly what to do and say and be.
Speaker 1: You will know it in your being. It will be
Speaker 1: in flow and again, so that's what we're trusting. And
Speaker 1: it comes back to that. It's like parts integration when
Speaker 1: you're talking about your mom and your lineage, where you
Speaker 1: had to meet those parts and greet them. And it's
Speaker 1: really what where we can do in our everyday life,
Speaker 1: which is when you feel that energy rise up and
Speaker 1: it feels really afraid or tension or exhausted or scared
Speaker 1: or small or tiny or doubtful or nasty or manipulative, pause,
Speaker 1: close your eyes and ask what do you want to say?
Speaker 1: Like if you had a voice, what would you say?
Speaker 1: If you could speak words, what would you want to say?
Speaker 1: And when you allow that part of you or maybe
Speaker 1: not part of you. And I think we don't need
Speaker 1: to know as long as like, if it's there, it's there,
Speaker 1: we do it. M M. You know, as long as
Speaker 1: we meet it, we either give it a voice or
Speaker 1: we breathe into it, or we just simply acknowledge its
Speaker 1: presence instead of like being afraid, we're no longer pushing
Speaker 1: anything away. Therefore we won't project anything, because when we're
Speaker 1: pushing something away, we're projecting. It happens simultaneously. Like it's
Speaker 1: like the it's like standing bow in yoga. You hold
Speaker 1: your foot with your hand and you have the other
Speaker 1: one out in front of you, and you stretch and pull,
Speaker 1: stretch and pull, and if you relax either it will
Speaker 1: collapse right your collapse out of the posture. So when
Speaker 1: you relax, you're pushing away. You relax your projection at
Speaker 1: the same time, and all of your energy comes back
Speaker 1: into yourself. And when you've done that, you can see it.
Speaker 1: It just comes back in and lands. It's like okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we're back, or if it needed to move through it will.
Speaker 1: That's a huge piece for me, especially when anxiety raises.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the first thing that, and it's taken me
Speaker 1: a long time. It's taken a lot of practice to
Speaker 1: actually have this accessible to me. When it happens to
Speaker 1: allow it in like, that's the first The first thing is,
Speaker 1: oh that's here again, Oh welcome, and you can be here.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a place for you here at this moment.
Speaker 1: And as soon as that happens, then I think my
Speaker 1: tools start to come back online. I can start to
Speaker 1: work with that energy. Um. But sometimes, yeah, sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel like I've built up this whole toolbox, my whole
Speaker 1: you know, for the last eight years, and it's like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everything starts to fire, and um,
Speaker 1: I get really triggered, and it's like where did they
Speaker 1: all go? Because we get into that really primitive part
Speaker 1: of our brain and it's like nothing's really accessible anymore.
Speaker 1: And the first, the first thing that I've that makes
Speaker 1: those things accessible is to allow, allow, Allow, Allow, Because
Speaker 1: you're right, resistance continues the cycle, it continues to keep
Speaker 1: it in play totally. Control will always use the buffer
Speaker 1: of blame, shame, guilt, criticism, judgment, projection, improving to protect itself.
Speaker 1: M hm. So we can there's one thing we know
Speaker 1: for sure if we're feeling fiery and triggered, there's a
Speaker 1: part of our self that feels afraid. Mhm. So if
Speaker 1: we can know anything for sure amongst anything that when
Speaker 1: we're like that, there is something in us that needs
Speaker 1: our own protection and love. And that's really as simple
Speaker 1: as that. We can do that with presents. I like
Speaker 1: to make things so simple for people. You can know
Speaker 1: for sure right now there's a part of yourself trying
Speaker 1: to protect itself. That part of itself is an illusionary idea,
Speaker 1: your shadow as an illusion that controls it all. But
Speaker 1: we don't need to go into that natural and intellectualize that.
Speaker 1: There's just a part of you right now that's trying
Speaker 1: to you know, that needs protection and all love, and
Speaker 1: we can just do that through presence. Keep coming back,
Speaker 1: keep coming back. I love the simplicity of that, And
Speaker 1: that's exactly That's exactly what I did this morning. And
Speaker 1: it's so funny that you just spoke to exactly what
Speaker 1: I was telling myself as I was coming home. I
Speaker 1: was talking to my husband about it from tennis, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I just kept I just keep reminding
Speaker 1: myself come back into the present moment, like into the
Speaker 1: present moment and I go, it can't be that easy.
Speaker 1: That's literally said to him this morning. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't be easy, and so thank you. You just
Speaker 1: like debunked that for me. Yes, it's that easy to
Speaker 1: come back like it is, isn't it. I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you shared that. Thank you, because I
Speaker 1: want everyone to hear how easy it is. I know
Speaker 1: you're going to ask about over consumption, and that's how
Speaker 1: it's fucked right, because we're like, we're gonna do all
Speaker 1: these things to heal. It's like, actually, just you, our
Speaker 1: mind needs to keep being fed. That is what the
Speaker 1: mind does. And if we can come back to that
Speaker 1: every time, just the simplicity of that is that is
Speaker 1: the practice. Really, and now that we've discussed all of this,
Speaker 1: what we're telling you is just come back in the presence.
Speaker 1: It's just really that exactly. Listen to Leon's new album,
Speaker 1: It Will Take Your presence is bloody amazing. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Speaking of music, I love to
Speaker 1: ask people because I think that us it connects so deeply.
Speaker 1: What's your song book? Whether that be like in this
Speaker 1: moment in time or throughout your life, Like, what are
Speaker 1: five what are your holy five songs that you just
Speaker 1: like love Jimmy Hendrix, Watchhower, Oh yeah, so good, Queen
Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody. I love that you love that song? So
Speaker 1: awesome love, I know everyone. That's my karaoke song. Guys
Speaker 1: um Um, Red Hot Chili Peppers, other side sad. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a good song. I love them. Is there anything
Speaker 1: that for the present moment? Yeah, that's what I was like,
Speaker 1: Can am I allowed to look at my Spotify spot
Speaker 1: if I most played? Okay, okakay, all right, I'm cheating.
Speaker 1: The other day I saw my top songs and I
Speaker 1: was like, stop, it so good. So it's so great.
Speaker 1: I really really love Florence Machine Hunger. Oh yeah, like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's only new and and it's been on repeat.
Speaker 1: I've really loved it. And that's a new one. She's
Speaker 1: an amazing life. She's so good. You have to if
Speaker 1: you ever get a chance to see her life, she's incredible.
Speaker 1: I will. And the other one, oh that I would
Speaker 1: put on, I would have to say Gravity by John
Speaker 1: made Gravity just work at me. I love that song
Speaker 1: so good, very good choices highly I highly agree. It's
Speaker 1: so interesting to see what everybody brings to the table
Speaker 1: anything with some solid bass guitar or rock and roll,
Speaker 1: because I grew up with my dad and he, you know,
Speaker 1: grew up listening to Jimmy Hendrix in getting ready for school.
Speaker 1: So it's it's like, does something to my nervous system,
Speaker 1: which is funny. It settles it in some way immediately, Calm.
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much for coming on here.
Speaker 1: I so, I'm so grateful for your wisdom, thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing it. Thank you for guiding us back to
Speaker 1: a place of simplicity. So I think we're all in
Speaker 1: desperate need of that at this moment of remembering that.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Truly, you're so deeply,
Speaker 1: profoundly impeccable with what you're doing, how you're showing up,
Speaker 1: and it's so inspiring. So I'm really honored to be herely,
Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you. All Right, that is it for
Speaker 1: this episode. Please share it with anyone you think might
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