WEBVTT - Why Is China Poking The US In The Chest? Military Analyst Mike Lyons Discusses

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<v Speaker 1>Well bid administration officials should stop chasing after their Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>communist counterparts like love struck teenagers. It's embarrassing and it's pathetic.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it projects weakness to China. It encourages them

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<v Speaker 1>to do things like buzz our aircraft or come within

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<v Speaker 1>a few hundred yards of our ships. Encourages them to

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<v Speaker 1>spent send spy balloons floating all across America.

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<v Speaker 2>All three of those things have happened, two of them

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<v Speaker 2>in the last few days. I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the video of that Chinese warship going right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of one of our ships and we had to

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<v Speaker 2>slow down to avoid collision. They said, yeah, you better

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<v Speaker 2>stand up our waters is what they said the Chinese did,

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<v Speaker 2>And what the heck is the what are they up to?

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<v Speaker 2>What's their goal?

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<v Speaker 3>That in the Ukraine situation? As well? A couple of

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<v Speaker 3>topics to discuss with the military analyst Mike Lyons served

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States military all over the world and

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<v Speaker 3>is now on CNN among other places. Mike, great to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you hey, guy, guys, good to be with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what are they trying to accomplish by constantly jabinus

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<v Speaker 3>in the chest.

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<v Speaker 4>The Chinese, well people, they don't believe that the water

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<v Speaker 4>between China and Taiwan is international. They believe it's theirs,

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<v Speaker 4>and so they've not signed up to that treaty. So

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<v Speaker 4>they think anytime the United States drives a destroyer with

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<v Speaker 4>a frigate from Canada, actually two ships traveling together, so

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<v Speaker 4>they're undeployment, they're fully stocked, that warship is fully loaded

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<v Speaker 4>with you know, cruise missiles, the whole thing. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 4>don't believe that that's their international water, and so this is

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<v Speaker 4>their way of trying to make that point. Now, the

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<v Speaker 4>rest of the world does things that it's international water.

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<v Speaker 4>And what they did was, you know, they'd kind of

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<v Speaker 4>a serpentine in front of a warship going you know,

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<v Speaker 4>ten to fifteen knots that had to slow down, that

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<v Speaker 4>had to alter its course. So not abiding by the rules,

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<v Speaker 4>the of the sea and all those things that go

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<v Speaker 4>with it. You know, there's way of sending a message.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's no other way to put it. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's just a really dumb thing because this is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>how wars start and how bad things happen in that

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<v Speaker 4>part of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, do we keep if they do it again, do

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<v Speaker 2>we keep slowing down or what?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 2>How do we react?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a game of chicken. I don't think we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to knock into uh, we're gonna We're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>hit another ship on purpose. I don't see that that

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<v Speaker 4>would not be It'd be a catastrophe in that region

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<v Speaker 4>given what what you know, the environmental impact alone, what

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<v Speaker 4>happened there potentially you know, to warships thinking, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't imagine that happening. So we're gonna just we'll monitor

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<v Speaker 4>watch the situation. You know, the Navy now is taking

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<v Speaker 4>tremendous precautions in that part of the world when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to not hitting other ships, right from the Fitzgerald

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<v Speaker 4>and McCain took place a couple of years ago, right, so,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there's people on the watch, there's people, there's radar,

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<v Speaker 4>there's all kinds of signals that are going out there.

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<v Speaker 4>I personally think what we're going to do is send

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<v Speaker 4>more ships. We're gonna we're gonna have more uh things

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<v Speaker 4>going there and have planes and have other things that

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<v Speaker 4>are going to support them, because what they're doing is

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<v Speaker 4>keeping a shipping lane open, UH, supporting our allies that

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<v Speaker 4>are there, So we're not We're not going to back down,

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<v Speaker 4>I think at all.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's turn to Ukraine. Mike, uh, the attacks of intensified.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this the begin of the counter offensive? What's your

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<v Speaker 3>take on the situation?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm no, I'm the only guy in the world

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<v Speaker 4>saying this is not a counter offensive. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't even figure out the definition of a counter offensive

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<v Speaker 4>is anymore. So a counter offensive in history is the

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<v Speaker 4>battle of the bulch on both sides. The Germans take

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<v Speaker 4>thirty divisions and they go one direction. In the United

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<v Speaker 4>States takes the counter offensive and goes in the other direction.

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<v Speaker 4>The president, let's get admits to the Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 4>But they don't even control the airspace in the forward areas.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how in the world they think they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to have any kind of successful counter offensive. Not

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<v Speaker 4>all the Abrams tanks are there. There isn't bridging equipment

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<v Speaker 4>that's there. There's not a sixteen insight that's going to

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<v Speaker 4>show up at least for twelve to eighteen months. So

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<v Speaker 4>the messaging is kind of weird. And then on the

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<v Speaker 4>other side, you've got the Ministry Defense now releasing this

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<v Speaker 4>Twitter feed about keeping the plans silent. Well, you got

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<v Speaker 4>your president talking about the account offensive it's going to start,

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<v Speaker 4>and you have the soldiers on the ground saying to

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<v Speaker 4>be quiet. So the messaging is way off when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to what exactly is going on right there. I

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<v Speaker 4>And then this morning you have the Russians say that

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<v Speaker 4>they defeated Ukraine offensive Operation inton Esque, exactly where the

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<v Speaker 4>counter offensive could take place, and then they wiped out

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of Ukrainian soldiers. So I'm not sure what's

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<v Speaker 4>going on. I can tell you this, there's not a

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<v Speaker 4>counter offensive going on based on my definition of counter offensive,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a large number of troops with a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of equipment that's going to do it. An offensive operation

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to matter. It's going to mean something that's

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<v Speaker 4>not happening anytime in Ukraine anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Washington Post, I think it was, had a big

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<v Speaker 2>story yesterday about how NATO has been training in all

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<v Speaker 2>these Ukrainian troops and the latest greatest tactics we have

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<v Speaker 2>on a lot of the best weapons that we've given them,

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<v Speaker 2>on all that sort of stuff, and they're ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go with a modern American like attack. You don't think

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<v Speaker 2>so or what.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but the equipment is not there yet. The tank

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<v Speaker 4>crews are still in Graphenvier, they're still training. They won't

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<v Speaker 4>see M one tanks, they won't see the Abrams tanks.

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<v Speaker 4>They're saying for twelve weeks, you know, and again until

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<v Speaker 4>that level of equipment shows up, that level of survivability

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<v Speaker 4>and they're only something thirty, they need four hundred in

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<v Speaker 4>order to make any kind of impact unless they've got

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<v Speaker 4>other information I don't have. So like, for example, again

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<v Speaker 4>we've talked about this area in the south staying on

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<v Speaker 4>the right side of of the Bnepa River. If they

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<v Speaker 4>can navigate that, maybe they think they're going to get

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<v Speaker 4>twenty or thirty thousand Russian soldiers to surrender, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>and turn around a threat crimea. But there doesn't appear

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<v Speaker 4>to be the material in the region in order to

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<v Speaker 4>conduct the counter offensive. Considering the fact that Russia has

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<v Speaker 4>been digging in in some of those areas since twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 4>The Nek, for example, that has been Russia controlled since

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fourteen. It's not like they've just shown up there

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<v Speaker 4>and they've been planning the defense there for the last

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<v Speaker 4>almost eight years.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that is so interesting. So obviously, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>cavalry and the foot soldiers and artillery just isn't kind

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<v Speaker 3>of cut it.

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<v Speaker 4>You're saying, no, no, no, it's got to be a

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<v Speaker 4>combined arms force. He's got to control, have some assets

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<v Speaker 4>coming from the air. You bring artillery, you bring ventry

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<v Speaker 4>fighting vehicles, M one tanks for shock effect, have bridging equipment.

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<v Speaker 4>There's you know, they have the home field advantage. They

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<v Speaker 4>know where the obstacles are. That's that's why I think

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<v Speaker 4>Russia got backed up and back moved because they didn't

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't couldn't cross basic rivers and they couldn't navigate

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<v Speaker 4>basic obstacles there. But but you gotta have all that

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<v Speaker 4>stuff in order to move quickly, which is the definition

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<v Speaker 4>of the counter offensives, which again I don't know the

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<v Speaker 4>definition what the Ukraine government is using for a counter

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<v Speaker 4>offensive because they think that that's a counter offensive. What

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing right now. It's just it's they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>still using my favorite turn wallowin Ovcan. They're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to move anywhere. They're not going to get off the

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<v Speaker 4>snide one bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so I've been thinking about it, like I remember

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<v Speaker 2>when the Iraq War was going to start, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about shock and awe and leading up to it,

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<v Speaker 2>there'd be a little thing here there in various places

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<v Speaker 2>in Iraq, and the media would say was that the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of shokun And they'd say, no, when it starts,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll know. And I was kind of thinking that this

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<v Speaker 2>giant counter offensive will be like that. When it starts,

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<v Speaker 2>will know, But you're you're not certain that that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way it's gonna roll out.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't know what. They don't have the baton

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<v Speaker 4>to start it with, they don't have the they don't

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<v Speaker 4>have the mass of weaponry to start it like that. Again,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just not there. So unless it's something else, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what it could be. There's no other way

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<v Speaker 4>unless they're just saying it. The counter offensive is started, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>let's see it. But the all they do then is

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<v Speaker 4>set themselves up for failure because they really are poking

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<v Speaker 4>the bear here. I'm gonna use that term right that

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<v Speaker 4>they It just makes no sense for them to say

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<v Speaker 4>that on any level until it's actually going to start.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting military analyst and Mike Alliance, Mike, thanks so much

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<v Speaker 3>for the perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>Good to talk to you great guy. Thanks for me