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Speaker 1: Well bid administration officials should stop chasing after their Chinese

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Speaker 1: In fact, it projects weakness to China. It encourages them

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Speaker 2: All three of those things have happened, two of them

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Speaker 2: seen the video of that Chinese warship going right in

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Speaker 2: slow down to avoid collision. They said, yeah, you better

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Speaker 2: stand up our waters is what they said the Chinese did,

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Speaker 2: And what the heck is the what are they up to?

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Speaker 2: What's their goal?

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Speaker 3: That in the Ukraine situation? As well? A couple of

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Speaker 3: topics to discuss with the military analyst Mike Lyons served

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Speaker 3: in the United States military all over the world and

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Speaker 3: is now on CNN among other places. Mike, great to

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Speaker 3: talk to you.

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Speaker 4: How are you hey, guy, guys, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are they trying to accomplish by constantly jabinus

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Speaker 4: The Chinese, well people, they don't believe that the water

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Speaker 4: between China and Taiwan is international. They believe it's theirs,

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Speaker 4: and so they've not signed up to that treaty. So

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Speaker 4: they think anytime the United States drives a destroyer with

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Speaker 4: they're undeployment, they're fully stocked, that warship is fully loaded

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Speaker 4: with you know, cruise missiles, the whole thing. Yeah, they

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Speaker 4: don't believe that that's their international water, and so this is

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Speaker 4: their way of trying to make that point. Now, the

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Speaker 4: rest of the world does things that it's international water.

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Speaker 4: And what they did was, you know, they'd kind of

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Speaker 4: ten to fifteen knots that had to slow down, that

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Speaker 4: had to alter its course. So not abiding by the rules,

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Speaker 4: the of the sea and all those things that go

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Speaker 4: with it. You know, there's way of sending a message.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's no other way to put it. But

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Speaker 4: it's just a really dumb thing because this is you know,

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Speaker 4: how wars start and how bad things happen in that

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Speaker 2: Well, do we keep if they do it again, do

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Speaker 2: we keep slowing down or what?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: How do we react?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a game of chicken. I don't think we're

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Speaker 4: going to knock into uh, we're gonna We're not gonna

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Speaker 4: hit another ship on purpose. I don't see that that

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Speaker 4: given what what you know, the environmental impact alone, what

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Speaker 4: can't imagine that happening. So we're gonna just we'll monitor

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Speaker 4: watch the situation. You know, the Navy now is taking

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Speaker 4: tremendous precautions in that part of the world when it

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Speaker 4: comes to not hitting other ships, right from the Fitzgerald

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Speaker 4: and McCain took place a couple of years ago, right, so,

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Speaker 4: you know, there's people on the watch, there's people, there's radar,

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Speaker 4: there's all kinds of signals that are going out there.

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Speaker 3: So let's turn to Ukraine. Mike, uh, the attacks of intensified.

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Speaker 3: Is this the begin of the counter offensive? What's your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm no, I'm the only guy in the world

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Speaker 4: can't even figure out the definition of a counter offensive

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Speaker 4: battle of the bulch on both sides. The Germans take

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Speaker 4: The president, let's get admits to the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 4: But they don't even control the airspace in the forward areas.

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Speaker 4: that's going to matter. It's going to mean something that's

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Speaker 2: Well, Washington Post, I think it was, had a big

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the equipment is not there yet. The tank

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Speaker 4: crews are still in Graphenvier, they're still training. They won't

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Speaker 4: They're saying for twelve weeks, you know, and again until

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Speaker 4: other information I don't have. So like, for example, again

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Speaker 4: twenty or thirty thousand Russian soldiers to surrender, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: The Nek, for example, that has been Russia controlled since

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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen. It's not like they've just shown up there

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Speaker 4: and they've been planning the defense there for the last

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Speaker 4: almost eight years.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is so interesting. So obviously, you know, the

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Speaker 4: You're saying, no, no, no, it's got to be a

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Speaker 4: coming from the air. You bring artillery, you bring ventry

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Speaker 4: fighting vehicles, M one tanks for shock effect, have bridging equipment.

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Speaker 4: There's you know, they have the home field advantage. They

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Speaker 4: basic obstacles there. But but you gotta have all that

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Speaker 4: of the counter offensives, which again I don't know the

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Speaker 4: definition what the Ukraine government is using for a counter

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Speaker 4: offensive because they think that that's a counter offensive. What

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Speaker 4: they're doing right now. It's just it's they're going to

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Speaker 4: still using my favorite turn wallowin Ovcan. They're not going

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Speaker 4: to move anywhere. They're not going to get off the

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Speaker 4: snide one bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I've been thinking about it, like I remember

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Speaker 2: when the Iraq War was going to start, and they

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Speaker 2: there'd be a little thing here there in various places

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Speaker 2: beginning of shokun And they'd say, no, when it starts,

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Speaker 2: you'll know. And I was kind of thinking that this

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Speaker 2: giant counter offensive will be like that. When it starts,

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Speaker 2: will know, But you're you're not certain that that's the

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Speaker 2: way it's gonna roll out.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know what. They don't have the baton

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Speaker 4: to start it with, they don't have the they don't

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Speaker 4: have the mass of weaponry to start it like that. Again,

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Speaker 4: it's just not there. So unless it's something else, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what it could be. There's no other way

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Speaker 4: unless they're just saying it. The counter offensive is started, Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's see it. But the all they do then is

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Speaker 4: set themselves up for failure because they really are poking

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Speaker 4: the bear here. I'm gonna use that term right that

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Speaker 4: they It just makes no sense for them to say

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Speaker 4: that on any level until it's actually going to start.

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Speaker 3: Interesting military analyst and Mike Alliance, Mike, thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for the perspective.

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Speaker 4: Good to talk to you great guy. Thanks for me