1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is Mick Shot, 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: streaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys app. Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And here we are. It's time for 6 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: another edition of mix Shots inside the SWBC podcast studio 7 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco, and the 8 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: star of the show, Mickey Spagnola is here. Hi, Mickey, Hi, Bill, 9 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: how are you? I? Bill Jones, heck my Harrison is 10 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: here and Rob Phillips is here as well. I love 11 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: this cast of characters. Characters you didn't talk about Rob 12 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: like that. Mickey. I stole this from you. I knew 13 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: you were going to be bringing your note book here. 14 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: You got notes. Oh my gosh, heck I myself. That's Bill, 15 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: that's Bill, that's Jones. Yeah, we love note books. It here. 16 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: We were all school it here. Yeah, slack and bring 17 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: this pH and nothing else. Brings his phone. Yeah, but 18 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Rob's got everything on his phone from all the interviews 19 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: out there. Good point. That good point, Mickey. We just 20 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: interviewed about twelve position coaches yeah, well the entire staff. 21 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: I want to hear all about that. But first and 22 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: do you realize do you realize that that's the first 23 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: time we've talked to these guys in like forever. Did 24 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: we talk to Joe Phillman last year? Because training camp 25 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: maybe I'm trying to remember even now, we talked to 26 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: Joe Witt in training camp. I remember that. I don't 27 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: know if we ever got George Edwards and I think 28 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: we talked to Wit maybe because dan Quinn was COVID 29 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: restricted or whatever. Was that training camp we camp? But yes, 30 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: it's very it's been very limited since and I guarantee 31 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: you we haven't had a chance to introduce ourselves to 32 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: all those guys COVID man, right because last year, Yeah, 33 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: last year, we never saw any of the assistants. As 34 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, with Rob Davis, the assistant head coach. 35 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: So the day of the draft, I was in the 36 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: TV room and I was doing something with McCarthy because 37 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: we were going to do something for outdoor party whatever, 38 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: and Rob Davis was in there and he got done 39 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: and he came in introduced himself to me, and I go, yeah, 40 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: it's been you've been here a whole year. I didn't 41 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: think I'd ever meet you guys, and he goes, oh, 42 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: come on, mix wow, wow, the real star of the show. 43 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure you know, we had the open 44 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: was mixed shots, but really it should have been a 45 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: combination of talking cowboys and talking shots. Yeah, talking shots 46 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: are taking, are taking. I love it, you know, And 47 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember back when Talking Cowboys first started, Rob, 48 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: and you were in the school desk. Thanks for reminding 49 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: everybody that, Bill, Yes, and we did. We were was 50 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: the internet around and you took you were taking because 51 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: it was because we were. We were you were checking emails, right, 52 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: yeahmale existed. Yeah, it was two thousand and four. I 53 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: was trying to remember if cell phones exist, it is 54 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: that you were on your cell phone then? No, Twitter 55 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: didn't it just maybe we're on a better place back then. 56 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: You were on a little laptop there. Definitely we were 57 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: about six years away from Twitter. Yes, that's right, Yes, 58 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: it was a TV show initially. Heck what year that 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: was two thousand and four? Four? Okay, heck, but where 60 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: were you in two thousand and four? I was man leaving. 61 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: Uh I was it in Puerto Rico? Oh, okay, yeah, 62 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: all right, So can we ask what you were doing there? 63 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: I was going to school, all right, school in Puerto Rico. Okay, 64 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: getting a tan mick. All right. So is there news 65 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: coming out of the position coaches and media sessions today 66 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: or this is just a get to know you session? No, no, 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't get to know I don't know that there 68 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: was any breaking news out there. No more of just 69 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: a feel of how each group is doing. Asking about 70 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: specific players, Yeah, Joe Filman talked a lot about, you know, 71 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: Terrence Steele's development, Lyle Collins coming back, what that mix 72 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: might look like in the future, George Edwards, Scott McCurley 73 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: talking about Micah Parsons development, stuff like that. No, no real, 74 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: no real breaking, no bombshells. Yeah, yeah, but it is 75 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: a bye week bill. It is nice to have that 76 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: opportunity to talk with well, yeah, we don't, we don't. 77 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: We didn't get that usually in training camp after practice 78 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: you could walk off with them as they were going in, 79 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: and we didn't have that opportunity. And really where we 80 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: got the best opportunity to talk with him outside of 81 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: training camp was in the springtime during OTA's where back 82 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: in the day where we were free to roam. Yes, 83 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: then we would get him coming off the field at practice. 84 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: And that's gone away now and it certainly has. And 85 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: you know what, are we six weeks into the season 86 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: and that's the first contact we've had with a bunch 87 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: of those guys. So yes, absolutely, all right, so we 88 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: get started here. And did you happen to see the 89 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: Monday night game the end of the Monday night game 90 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: last night? Absolutely? Okay? I did not. How about I 91 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: fell asleep in my chair, I woke I woke up 92 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: in this Yeah, my son had a basketball I had 93 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: a football game last night, So well tell him what 94 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: happened too. Oh, bunch of house calls and stuff like that. 95 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: He'll be a guy that Bill Jones will be talking 96 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: about it pretty soon. Now. How old is he? He's fourteen? Fourteen? 97 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: Where's he play? He's at Strady, He's at Trady Middle School. 98 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver. He x not paying for college? 99 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: Yeah no not so what high school will he go to? 100 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: We're still trying to decide, Bill, Okay, there's a lot 101 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: to choose from out there. He's being who gives the 102 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: most money. I know, I know, I know the coach 103 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: at South Lake, you're the mayor or something that hurt already. 104 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: They've had some wide receivers, they got some quarterbacks in 105 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah and there, even though they opt out sometimes. 106 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: So what was your question? All right, fourth and once 107 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: it relates to the Cowboys and fourth and ones, okay, 108 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: last night, it comes down to the end of the 109 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: game and Sean McDermott, the coach for Buffalo. It's a 110 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: thirty four thirty one game, and they could get a 111 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: first down. There were one yard away from the goal 112 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: line too, and so it's the end of regulation and 113 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: he makes the decision to go forward on fourth and 114 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: inches with how much time was twenty seconds something like 115 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: that in that range instead of kicking what field goal 116 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: that would have insured overtime, and he went for it 117 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: and they got stopped Josh Allen on a quarterback sneak 118 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: get stopped? Who would run a quarterback sneak for one 119 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: yard out? And on the previous play Allan had scrambled 120 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: and almost got the first thing he did by the way, 121 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think that was close. Saw that replay. 122 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: The replay was a pretty good indicator where that he 123 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: was short that yeah, where if you look where the 124 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: ball was. It seemed because they had pretty good technology 125 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: there on the replay on TV anyway, where it showed 126 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: where the first down? Now, why didn't Josh Allen do 127 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: a dack in because he was going backwards into Yeah 128 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: he was, I mean no, I meant on the third play, 129 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying on the fourth down he fell, he slipped 130 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: who was it that the defensive and crashed and hit 131 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: him and it happened so fast he lost his footing 132 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: right yeah, So so so anyway, just my question is, 133 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: and we've seen it over the last several years the end, 134 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: we were seeing it more and more going forward on 135 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: fourth down. I'm gonna give you a history, and I 136 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: know that analytics plays a little big part in it. 137 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: Didn't So here we go. So was as tech s 138 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: Ram said, was Vince Lombardi wrong going for it at 139 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: the goal line in that playoff game up in Green Bay? 140 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: What year was that? Nineteen sixty seven? Sixty seven? And 141 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: I fell championship game and he could have kicked a 142 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: field goal to send it into overtime? Was there a 143 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: guarantee they're gonna be able to make the field goal 144 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: on ice? Well, there wasn't, but there wasn't a guarantee 145 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: that he was going to have there at the pretty 146 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: good guarantee that Jethro Pugh and Bob Lily wouldn't have 147 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: footing either. Well, keeping from getting into they didn't have 148 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: footing on the play, did that? That's right? Yeah, neither team, 149 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: which the point being, the point being that there are 150 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: circumstances that in every situation that make a decision different 151 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: from one game to another. As Tech Shram said, it 152 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: was the worst coaching decision he had ever seen that 153 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: they went for it. And I wonder how Tech would 154 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: have felt about Philadelphia in nineteen ninety four on fourth 155 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: and one at the twenty nine yard line and Barry 156 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: Switzer decides to go for it. Yeah twice would have 157 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: probably thought that that was not real. Oh the old 158 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: load left. Yeah, they didn't work out so good. It didn't. 159 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: But really it didn't work out three times, but actually 160 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: even on that one. But now we're seeing teams go 161 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: for it on fourth and one at their own thirty nine. 162 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: We saw in several years ago Bill Belichick same situation 163 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: on a fourth and one at the twenty nine yard line. 164 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: I think against the Colts. He went forth, they got stopped. 165 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: It's just more and more. It's the philosophy has changed 166 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: at every level of football, where teams go for it 167 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: now on fourth down. You know what, I may tell 168 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: you how smart I was at fourteen years old watching 169 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: that the play in the Ice Bowl. I yelled at 170 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: my fart because I was a Packers fan. I yelled 171 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: at my father, I go, what's he doing? If they 172 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: don't make it, they're gonna lose the game. You gotta 173 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: kick the field goal, which would have tied it, yes, 174 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: and forced overtime. Yep, just like last night. Go ahead. No, 175 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: you know in nineteen sixty seven. I mean, he has 176 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: all my attention right now trying to figure out what 177 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: you were doing in fourteen years I'd telling you, Dad, 178 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: you should have kicked the field goal. I mean, in 179 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: history rewards the Bowl. So I guess I was a 180 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: nerd back there watching every Packer game. I can get 181 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: my nerd. You were a middle linebacker at Chicago Heights. 182 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: That's right, right, my god. Okay, so to ask you 183 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: how cold the press box was, Mick, yeah right, yeah. 184 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: So just in general, Okay, let's put her put ourselves 185 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: in the shoes of Sean McDermott last night. If Mike 186 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: McCarthy would have made that also blistered. But also figure Tennessee, 187 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry had three touchdowns in that game. They weren't 188 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: stopping him all night long. If you're going into overtime, yeah, 189 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: they were in Nashville. Okay, So what do you do 190 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: facing fourth and as Switzer would put fourth in a 191 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: damn foot and you're basically if you score it in 192 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: your yard away from the goal line too and fan 193 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: a touchdown, a game winning touchdown, you're that close to 194 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: winning the game. Or do you kick the field goal 195 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: for overtime? What do you think I was for going 196 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: for it and ending the game right there? Yeah, And 197 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: I think that's what teams are doing more now. I 198 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: think teams, I mean every situation, this is a different situation. 199 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: You could still extend the game. But I think teams 200 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: are realizing the way passing offenses are now and the 201 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: way the game has changed, field goals don't matter anymore. 202 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: They just you can't kick field goals and expect to 203 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: win football games. And so if you and especially if 204 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: you've got a Josh Allen who's six four and can 205 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: just dive forward and get a foot. Tom Brady has 206 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: made a career out of that. Do it. You know 207 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: it's ballsy, but that's the way the game has changed. 208 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: Three points isn't gonna cut it against the Dallas Cowboys 209 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: or against teams that are that good offensively. Now, I 210 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: think it's all situational awareness for these head coaches, especially 211 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: when you talk about the night that Henry had and 212 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: not being able to stop him. I think you want 213 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: to end it right there. I'm more on the conservative side. 214 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: I would kick a field goal and take them until 215 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: over time. Well, and there's a couple of different areas 216 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: I want to explore on it, because it's kind of 217 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: the same principle as a two point conversion. Let's say, 218 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: let's say it was paint this scenario where Buffalo scores 219 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: their one point down. Now they're at the two yard line, 220 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: going for two to win the game or kicking it 221 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: and forcing overtime. That was essentially the situation they were 222 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: in last night, however, the difference being all they needed 223 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: was a damn foot to get the first down. And 224 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: that's just just happened recently in college somebody went for two. Oh, 225 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: that happens a lot, so it was it was Arkansas. 226 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: Arkansas did last week he gets ole miss and they 227 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: missed and he missed, right, But I think he factored 228 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: in this is as close as we're going to come 229 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: from winning the game because we're not stopping him in overtime. 230 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Gary Patterson did it for 231 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: TCU was playing at Oklahoma and they were a decided underdog, 232 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: and I understood exactly, And as an OU fan, I said, 233 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: oh no, please, don't go for two. He went for two, 234 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: and Stephen Parker, who's been in and out with the Cowboys, 235 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: made the play to win the game for OU. And 236 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: so I certainly understand it when you're an underdog going 237 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: for it. Buffalo, you might be the best team up 238 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: until last night, you were the best team in the AFC, 239 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: maybe in football, and um go as a score in 240 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: the final score of that game thirty one. Yeah, their defense, right, 241 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: although that's the that's the thing with Derrick Henry and 242 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: then you're getting into an overtime scenario. And that's why 243 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: I think situational awareness Again, if you're playing a game 244 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: where you're not stopping these guys and you have an 245 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to end the game. I would agree right there, 246 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: but you you make a valid point with who they 247 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: were are. It's Buffalo the team, the way that they 248 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: are perceived. They are looked upon as a powerhouse, you know, 249 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: squad right now, And you're surprised. I know, I was 250 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: surprised to hear about it the next morning that they 251 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: went for it the way that they did because they 252 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: do have the best best defense in the league last year. Now. 253 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry, Yeah, so it I agree with you. 254 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: It's situational where Okay, let's just you know what, I'll 255 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: guarantee you that, let's bring it back to the Cowboys, 256 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: and I was about on their on their final drive 257 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: and regulation, I'll guarantee you they weren't playing for a 258 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: field goal. They ended up having to kick the field 259 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: goal to tie it. I guarantee you their idea was, 260 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: we need to go score a touchdown, right and in overtime. 261 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think everybody was thinking and I think 262 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: New England was thinking this too. But the way they 263 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: ran the play for the winning touchdown that oh, they're 264 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: just gonna throw underneath these tight ends, nibble get some 265 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: more yards and then they're a minute fourteen in the game, 266 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: you're saying that the plan was to go down to 267 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: score touchdown and not play for the field goal. And 268 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: I liked what Zeke said afterwards. He goes, we were 269 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: thinking six the whole time. We wanted six. And I 270 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: think the way New England played it, they took away 271 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: jar Went, they took away Schultz, and they forgot about 272 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: Cedee Lamb crossing across the middle. I mean, there's just 273 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: too many options on this offense right right. And Kellen 274 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: Moore spoke yesterday about how they were persistent with the 275 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: running game. You look at the time of possession on 276 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: Sunday and they it was thirty six to twenty one 277 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: or something. It was crazy, and I think they wore 278 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: them down and got the play action going. And I 279 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: just think it which is a point where there's too 280 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: many options for defensive offend over sixty minutes. I mean, 281 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: it's crazy right now. Twenty six, yeah, thirty nine, twenty 282 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: six of the overtime. I think the overtime, I think 283 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: they felt like they were wearing him down, were not 284 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: a chance to go in and they were seeing the game. 285 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: That's the beautiful thing about having Tony Romo up in 286 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: that booth. They were seeing the game much like what 287 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: Tony Romo was up in the booth, and he was 288 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: calling it earlier on that same play that was the 289 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: scoring play, and they called time out on the previous possession, 290 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: and Romo said, oh, they've got it right there, and 291 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: they called time Oh they called time out, but he 292 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: was and he tellustrated it. And it was actually with 293 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: was it receiver wide receiver Hooper maybe okay, but he 294 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: was split out further wide. It was more of a 295 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: bunch formation with CD. But it was the same concept 296 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: with that with a play fake role right and the 297 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: receiver on the far left comes across the field. So 298 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: they were seeing they knew that they had it. They 299 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: had that play in their back pocket, just like Romo 300 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: was telling us in the broadcast. But you know, initially 301 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: they obviously the mentality may have been to go and score. 302 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: But you gotta think on the past to cede Lamb 303 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: across the middle, I think what was that second and 304 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: third and thirty five or something like that, because of 305 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: the penalty third and twenty five, So I mean, they 306 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: had to pick up a lot of yard is at 307 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: that point to even be you know, in the area 308 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: to kick a field goal right and then and so 309 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: now you're fourth and one. Um back on that one, 310 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I was saying, what a second we lost? Well lost 311 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: it down there? What happened because on TV they didn't 312 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: explain that it was the unsportsmanlike conduct, was a dead 313 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: ball foul and uh. And so I'm sitting there, I'm 314 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: looking at my place sheet going, wait, it's it's third down. 315 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: It's not fourth down. Why are they kicking it? I mean, 316 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: they could have declined, they had the option, they could 317 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: have been taken the dot. But even with the yards 318 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: that it's a fifteen yard so I'm thinking I thought 319 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: that it would I happened. I thought the unsportsman like 320 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: They ruled that it happened in the course of the 321 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: play and not a dead ball. And the reason that 322 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: they were they took it was because of the yardage. 323 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: But obviously they took it not only because the yardage, 324 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: but the loss of down too. The other thing on 325 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: the fourth and one, after the block punt in the 326 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: first half, Cowboys are in that it's not the end 327 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: of the game, but they're in a scenario where you 328 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: score a touchdown, you're taking the lead in the game. 329 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: Did anyone have a problem with going for it on 330 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: fourth down at the goal line on the quarterback sneaks. 331 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: No with that, No, they didn't either. It didn't even 332 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: occur to me to kick it, because let's just get 333 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: that chip in that football, man. Yeah, we have to. 334 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's going to be something about that on 335 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: our show. We've been talking about technology for a while 336 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: on our show. But you know, I thought he scored 337 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: on third down and obviously they didn't call it. Clearly 338 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: he did. Yeah. But also and Nick just brought this up, 339 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: and I think this is a great point, even going 340 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: for it on fourth down right there. If you don't 341 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: get it, the team gets the ball at the one 342 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: yard line and you put your defense back out and 343 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: that's advantageous. But it's a touchback and it comes back 344 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: out to it's five. So no, they isn't work in you. 345 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: They didn't work in your favorite at all. Jerry. Jerry 346 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: was asked about the chip and the football on the 347 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: fan this morning. He didn't sound like completely adverse to it. 348 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: I think probably because this happened twice to his team 349 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: now this season, where it's like they're making a call 350 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: on the field on something they can't see tell you what, 351 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: So let's let's ask. I'm Jerry. I'm Jerry. 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Oh 398 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: we don't have Jack Black on our You need to 399 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: I get this from your wife. So you just need okay, okay, 400 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: I need to figure out how you'll go find the 401 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: Jack black Jack black mango shade. But uh, how did 402 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: you start that? Speaking of? What what were we speaking of? 403 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: We were talking about the Twitter and having phones and 404 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: people out there or no, that's okay, they come to 405 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: hear us and that was for you guys. Oh okay, 406 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: all right, kind of you're just talking with us, you're 407 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: not talking, you're not talking to you. They will they 408 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: will understand. The show is. It's hadn't changed a bit. 409 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: It's the same that's been for fifteen years, warms my heart. 410 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Does maybe do a mix shot today at some point? Yeah? Right, Uh, Rob, 411 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about Jerry on the radio. I take it 412 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: you listen to Jerry on the radio, Coup you're taking correctly. 413 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: He was asked about that goal line play. That's the 414 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: second time that's happened to the Cowboys this season where 415 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: Dak is denied a touchdown And look, I think he's 416 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: got to be careful because of the Competition Committee, and 417 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: that's something that would have to come up in the 418 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: off season. And it's probably a touchy point because you're 419 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: talking about changing kind of the integrity of the game. 420 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the argument in baseball where why 421 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: do you have umpires, Why don't you just have a 422 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: radar that tells you whether it's a ball or strike. 423 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: But he didn't sound completely adverse to maybe doing something 424 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: like that in the future because of the fact that 425 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: that referees are making calls on the field of something 426 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: they can't see. And I think there's merit to it. 427 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: I think it's something they need to look at. Whether 428 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: it get passed or not, it needs to get discussed, 429 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: I think so. I asked McCarthy what the official told him, 430 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: and he said, he said he didn't he couldn't see 431 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: the ball. And I said, well, obviously he didn't see 432 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: the ball because it was across the goal line and 433 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: he didn't see it. And it was like, they can't 434 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: see it except if they saw your shot above and 435 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: if there's a sky judge up there, he might be 436 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: able to see it. And if they got a camera 437 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: above the goal line, that might be able to see it. 438 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: But the guy, so if he couldn't see it, how 439 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: did he know to put it exact inches from the 440 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: goal line? They were just guessing because I've, like I 441 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: said yesterday, I've been on the goal line during those 442 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: preseason games and when I was doing the broadcast, like 443 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: the third guy on the field, and you stand on 444 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: the goal line when the ball's there and they you 445 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: can't see. You have to be seven foot tall to see. 446 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: That's why they need that stand that I told you 447 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: about yesterday, Like volleyball. Just get the guy up in 448 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: the air so you can see that's an accident waiting 449 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: to have it. Well, even on that, we can put Pattie, 450 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: We put patting on a camera on the pipes work. 451 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: But even on that with a quarterback sneak where the 452 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: quarterback's going down low and you got six five three 453 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: hundred pound linemen around them, you are going to be 454 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: able to see. But that overhead drone shot you can 455 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: see on that one. And sometimes so the competition committee 456 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: they need to look at this play and say, how 457 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: do we fix this play to get it right, because 458 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: if the if the officials are trained that they cannot 459 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: call a touchdown unless they see the ball go across 460 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: the goal line. Well, a ball carrier is covering up 461 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: the football number one, protecting it, and so you technically 462 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: are not seeing the ball across the goal line even 463 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: if you even if you're not blocked on it. But 464 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: there needs to be standard operating procedure on a play 465 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: on the goal line like that that if the officials 466 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: can't see it, you go to replay. Well, he didn't 467 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: see it because they never called it until they unpiled 468 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: exactly or given the option. You give them the option 469 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: to unstack the pile. Why do you want why did 470 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: you wait to unpile them? And you see the balls 471 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: in the end zone and then you basically the first 472 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: observation of the football after the play was that Dac 473 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: was on the ground across the goal line with the 474 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: ball across the goal line, and so that's why it 475 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: should have been a touch. Well, my question is, how 476 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: wonky is it that this has happened twice to the 477 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys on a routine play that shouldn't be easy. 478 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: We're making something difficult that actually should be easy for 479 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: league officials. I mean, I don't know how many quarterbacks 480 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: sneaks there are a week at the goal line, but 481 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: I dare to say that they're a lot. So whatever 482 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: the soop is standard operating procedure for it, it's wrong 483 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: and they got to figure that out because it's happened twice. No, 484 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, Textram told me they should put 485 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: a chip in the football and put a laser across 486 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: the goal line, and we can figure out how to 487 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: do this. We could put a man on the moon, 488 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: but we can't figure out how to see if the 489 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: ball crosses the goal. We're doing in tennis, Yeah, they do. 490 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: You're right, Chris. And baseball they've argued for it for 491 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: a while. At least base baseball purist is a whole. 492 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: They told tex he was crazy, but didn't wait, didn't 493 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Jerry say on the this morning the tech said, I 494 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: don't want it to be Star Wars right now. He 495 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: wanted to do it and the sky Wars is you 496 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: would see Skywars and uh, I forgot about that part right. 497 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: The competition committee thought he was nuts. Right, he was 498 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: so far ahead of his time it was unbelievable. And 499 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: he was so far ahead of his times on a 500 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: lot of things he was that people didn't understand. I 501 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: got a question him, bill Um. Guys, you listened to 502 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: the interview with Jerry and the Layelle Collins coming back, 503 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: and they asked him the questions about Lael and still 504 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: what's your what's your take on that? What the last 505 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: party said, Yeah, about how he thinks both could wind 506 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: up playing a lot in every game. Yes, I don't 507 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: know what to make of that because I don't know 508 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: if I don't know if Jerry's just trying to kind 509 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: of massage the situation's aby week, But no, I mean 510 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: and that que you know what that question was asked 511 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: to coach Philbin about you take the bye week to 512 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: kind of assess where your line is, assess what alternatives, 513 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: what options you might have, because he said I'm you know, 514 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: he was asked, are you a best five kind of guy? 515 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: He said, yeah, in theory, yes, So now what do 516 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: you do? What do you do with Lyle Collins coming 517 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: back and Terrence Steel playing as well as he does? 518 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: And I think what people your question is, could one 519 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 1: of the guys play guard? Is that? What? Has never 520 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: played guard in his life? And it doesn't look like 521 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: he could play guard either, Joe and Joe kind of 522 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: he was asked about that and he said, you know, 523 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: we've we've played him at tackle his whole career. I 524 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: think that's where he's most comfortable. Don't you want a 525 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: right tackle that you don't have to protect. They're protecting 526 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: Terrence Steele. Okay, they're protecting him with play calls, they're 527 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: protecting him with two tight end offense, and it's not 528 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: always to his side, but it's to the other side, 529 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: so the defense has to shift over there. You don't 530 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: think Lale Collins is a better right tackle than Terrence Steele. 531 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: I didn't say that, Oh, I say that. It sounded 532 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: like the inference was no. Jerry was referencing both guys 533 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: being able to maybe play together on the line. Now, 534 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that means some kind of maybe 535 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: your rotation at right tackle, or if they're gonna look 536 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: look at possibly. I don't think they would move Lou 537 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: Collins to guard. I don't see that. Wondering if he's 538 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: talking about a rotation because he hasn't played in six 539 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: he won't have played in seven weeks. Right, do you 540 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: send him out there to play sixty five snaps or 541 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: or do you say, okay, let's get him. It's Mike's 542 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: answer yesterday, I think hinted at that. He said, you know, 543 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: he's and he had short amount of training camp reps too, 544 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: because remember he was banged up at the end of camp. Right, 545 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: Let's get into practice next Wednesday and see where he's at. 546 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: He's been working out, he's been in the building. He 547 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: looks good. That he hadn't played football. Don't forget he 548 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: missed all the last seasons, right, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, 549 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: he's played one game since twenty nineteen, But do you 550 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: worry about that, being that he's a season vet and 551 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: that Britt Brown and staff do such a wonderful job 552 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: with these guys coming back. I mean, he was able 553 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: to get Chauncey Gholston back after not playing any in 554 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: training camp. So do you worry about that for Lael 555 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: who's been in the league for a while. Oh no, 556 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying, no, he's out there. To me, 557 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: he may not be able to do all sixty five snaps. 558 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think if he's conditioning wise, 559 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: if he's good to go, I think you put him. 560 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: I think back. I think if you have concerns about 561 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: that that Collins, that you've got it. Okay, you've got 562 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: an option with Steele and you want to you're concerned 563 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: about the conditioning of Collins coming back. Let's say Minnesota 564 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: next week. You just sell it to Lyle that, Okay, 565 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: it's a long season. You're our starting right tackle. We're 566 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: gonna play you two series and then we're gonna bring 567 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: Steel in the plan going in is and then Steel 568 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: plays the third series and whatever. Just to make sure 569 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: that from a conditioning standpoint, you're up to speep. You know. 570 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: One of the interesting things about it, I mean, you see, 571 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: for forever, defensive linemen have rotated in. Now there's a 572 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: lot of energy that goes into it, but but traditionally, 573 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: offensive lineman always play the entire game. You don't see 574 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: that at all. Heckman, you asked the question, what's your answer? Well, 575 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean I think the answers you put Leo Collins 576 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: back and right tackle. There's no there's not a position 577 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: battle going on here. But I think it's interesting when 578 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: you say that the offense has been limited or not limited. 579 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: They've had to protect that right tackle because of the 580 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: edge rushers that they've had, and they still are number 581 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: one in the league even with those limitations. L was 582 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: out there, they'd have six hundw Just hang on it. 583 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: If you were you were out there with me talking 584 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: to coach Philbin and you asked two or three questions 585 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: about how Terence Steele has developed. I've got to do 586 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: a story on him for the Game Day magazine. That's 587 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: not minimize what he's done out there. No, I'm not, 588 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: and you're and you're not wrong. I mean you'll see 589 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: sometimes you'll see Dalton Schultz. Sometimes you'll see Dalton Schultz 590 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: and Blake Jarwin chipping out there. You'll see the running 591 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: back moving over there. But sometimes he's been out on 592 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: his nose. I know, and I think more than anything, 593 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: what he's done, he has been really good in the 594 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: run game. He has been really good as a run block. 595 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: About this, especially on the goal line when you're facing 596 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: third and goal or fourth and goal. You have a 597 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: super jumbo package like that. You have like that Terrence 598 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: Steel and Connor reported as eligible and do you play 599 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,479 Speaker 1: what at fullback? And what a tidy or you can 600 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: and then you use Ralston and then you run you 601 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: run Zeke is a sumbo back. That's like, then you 602 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: run Zeke and you run over some corner poor quarterback 603 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: on the outside. And and let's how many receivers you 604 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: got on the field. Yeah, none, it's don't have one. 605 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: It's fourth and one. I don't need a quarterback sneak, 606 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: that's right. Did you get one of them behind Dack 607 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: on the quarterback sneak and he's pushing him into the 608 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: end zone? What do you think? What would be your 609 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: answer here with Lyle coming I? I don't mind what 610 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: I just said about. Okay, you start callings and then 611 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: say the third series or whenever it is Steele comes 612 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: in for a series or whatever, just to get him 613 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: up to speed, you know, Okay, I bring it. So. 614 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: I just did an interview with the University of Liberty coach, 615 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: you freeze. They're playing North Texas, this head of Kyle 616 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: and I are calling the game, but he also rotates 617 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: out his offensive lineman and that's a very weird phenomenon. 618 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: And you know, I ask about the synergy between offenses, 619 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: and he had the synergy between the offensive line, and 620 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what coaches worry about. He was like, hey, man, 621 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have these guys compete. So to see to 622 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: hear that in on a professional level that that could 623 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: possibly happen, I think I'm intrigued by that as well. 624 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's easier to do at a tackle 625 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: position where the guy is on the edge and he's 626 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: communicating specifically with the best guard in football next to him. No, 627 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: Tom did it with a guard. Huh, Landry did it 628 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: with a guard, didn't. He used to send plays in 629 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: they'd switched the guard, send in a new guard who 630 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: at the play? He just went Lander did that with 631 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks too. Who you know what I You know what 632 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: I was, You know what I was fishing We have 633 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: to go back. He met the flashback at least ten 634 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: times an episode. So what I was fishing for with 635 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: Philbin was for him to tell me that Steele was 636 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: now the backup swing tackle that he could play left. 637 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: He showed he can play right. Maybe that's what Jerry's 638 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: getting spelled tyr in every third series and and get 639 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: get and not have to put ty in the secci 640 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: on the field. Well, I think if you're looking at 641 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: the depth chart right now, that's the case. But we 642 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: haven't seen him at left tackle since training camp, right steel, Yeah, yeah, 643 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: taking reps for tying right By the way, I didn't 644 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: see Brandon Knight back he got claimed by Baltimore. I 645 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: did not see that. I saw that report as on 646 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: the check. I know he got signed yesterday. Brandon Knight 647 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: got signed by the Knicks, but it was different. It 648 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: was the same day, the same day Brandon Knight got 649 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: cut by the Cowboys. Brandon Knight got signed by the Nicks. 650 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: I thought, I didn't even know. He shows. That shows 651 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: you the lack of quality deef offensive lineman in this 652 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: league that a Brandon Knight gets released and somebody right 653 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: away claims. And that's why I think, you know, because 654 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: people were bagging on Terrence Steal last year fourteen starts. 655 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: There were some tough moments. Mickey's the probably the president 656 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: of that club. But they finally listened to me and 657 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: move Martin out there. Didn't that they saw something in him, 658 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: and they have been very patient with his development and 659 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: it's paid off well because they because they You're right, 660 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to find a guy right that can develop 661 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: into a starter. Philbin said he's had a thousand snaps 662 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: last year or whatever it was. Yeah, you know, and 663 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: now six more games, so now, yeah, experience helps these guys. 664 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: I have such an ax to grind with offensive lineman anyway, 665 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: and the way that the way that they're playing football, 666 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: nobody huddles up offensive lineman just standing around the line 667 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: of scrimmage and there's no more line blocking in football. 668 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: It's a zone blocking anyway, especially in college, in high school. 669 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's so the development of offensive linemen. 670 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: I think that's where we see it once it gets 671 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: to the pro level, where these guys such a dramatic 672 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: drop off from the top tier guys to the second level. 673 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: There's not enough of them. That's why the other leagues 674 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: fail because they got no offensive spring leagues, the spring leagues, 675 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: and then the quarterbacks have no shot, and then the 676 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: running backs have no shot. And then where how are 677 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: you going to get the ball? A little wide receiver. Unfortunately, 678 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: it's the offensive lineman, and no one wants to develop 679 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: those guys because if there's Anyboddy athletic in high school, 680 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: they and on the offense of line. They're on the 681 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: defensive line. Right, that's the last resort. Okay, go play 682 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: offensive line. Brodsky's old saying, heck, junior is too good 683 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: to play offensive line. Huh, it's never gonna Let's let's 684 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: just left tackle. Yeah, yeah, that's a primo position. Yeah, 685 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: of course he's a wide receiver though he's a he's 686 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: a wide receiver. He's he's six two's fourteen years old. 687 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: So let's just pray to the six five, three hundred pounds, right, 688 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: we'll put him out there. How you start it is 689 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: how you finished. Jason Peters, he was a tight end 690 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: is Arkansas? Yep? Yep? All right, We continue with more 691 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: mix shots. Can't wait for the next read coming up next. 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Restrictions aplenty see 727 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: dealer for details. Now let's get to work. Back back 728 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: to Mick Shots. Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders Making the Team is 729 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: back for another exciting season. Don't miss new episodes every 730 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: Friday at nine eight Central only on CMT. Are you 731 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: on that show? I'm not he has been before, you 732 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: have been, that's right, yes, yes, as a judge. COVID 733 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: knocked me off, so no more mickey. Well, we'll see. 734 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: If COVID ever goes away, maybe they'll ask me to 735 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: return as a judge. I was one of the better ones, 736 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: by the way, I bet you were. I bet you were. Hey, 737 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: I can recognize athletic ability. The Bingham baller nine has 738 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: tweeted why we gotta have a buy on National tight 739 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: End Day? Sunday, October twenty fourth is National tight Ends Day? 740 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: Did you know that? I did not know that. No, 741 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. It really is a day for everything. 742 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: Very thankful. I didn't about these tight ends. That would 743 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: be Dalton Schultz by the way, Yeah, oh yeah, where 744 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: are we going? I like this. It's about about these 745 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: tight ends been rather rather productive. The offense has been 746 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: rather productive when both those tight ends are on the yield. 747 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: So we're talking twelve personnel there may yes, I know 748 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: what twelve personnel is. So maybe when they don't have 749 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: to have steal out at right tackle, they'll go back 750 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: to just three wide receivers all the time. You think, 751 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: now I'm joking. They have played more twelve this year 752 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: they have than they did last year. And remember it's 753 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: probably I might be part of it, some of it's 754 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, maybe not. You know how much Barrett got 755 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: criticized for too much twelve personnel and god forbid, if 756 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 1: you put three tight ends out there, well, you're missing 757 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: a starting receiver and you're missing your right tackle. So 758 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: it logically it makes sense to do it. How you 759 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: do it out of necessity for teams that you think 760 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: you can run on. And your running game has rewarded 761 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: you and that aspect over the last from week two on, 762 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: you've seen what you know, what the running game has 763 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 1: done as far as developing the rest of your play call. 764 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: And so you know Cratic Kellen Moore and for that, 765 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: and even if it was just a situation with Leo Collins, 766 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: is paid off because of where the rushing off where 767 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: we are as far as our rushing offense, you know, 768 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: I think if you don't have of the nineteen eighty 769 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 1: five Bears defense, it's hard to match up with the 770 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: different things this offense can do. The eighty five Bears. Yes, flashback, flashback, Yeah, 771 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: and you know what I do. I just went and 772 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: because you got to be able to match up evenly. 773 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: You can't say, Okay, I'm gonna take away the run 774 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: because they'll beat you with the pass, or are you 775 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: gonna take away the pass they'll beat you with the run. 776 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: Let me go this, let me throw this in. This 777 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: is back when they had Of course, they didn't have 778 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: Zach Martin this game, but they did have le Collins 779 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: this game the first and against it one of the 780 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: best rushed defenses in the league, Tampa Bay. How many 781 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: snaps did the tight ends get in that game? Jarwin 782 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: had fifty seven and Schultz forty eight in that game. Wow, 783 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: and Jarwin hadn't played in a year, right or vice versa. 784 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: I may have that backwards, but one way or the other, 785 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: they were using two tight ends a lot in a 786 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: game where they threw the ball fifty eight times whatever. 787 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: And just think about how much different that game would 788 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: have been if you had Zack Martin in that game. 789 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: Jack Martin and Collins right next to each other for 790 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 1: the first time. I think that changes the whole dynamic 791 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: and how you approached that game. I think they win 792 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: that game because I think they're able to run the ball. 793 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: Maybe extend that. Nick brought up a point that the 794 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: last drive at the game, I think I think CD 795 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: had the drop. If they're able to run the ball there, 796 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: then you're not settling for a field goal at the end. 797 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: They still should have won it. Yeah, only didn't. But 798 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean Zack, I think that question was 799 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: asked to Joe philbin Is. It's the best he's play. 800 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,959 Speaker 1: I think this is the best we've seen Zack Martin play. 801 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: He really, I mean, he changes everything for this offensive 802 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: line up front. The tight ends blocked your point or 803 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: blocking better. I think Dalton Schultz is emerges more of 804 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: a blocking tight end and that helps the versatility of 805 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: the offense. But just watching the game from the press 806 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: box Sunday to Mickey's point, and I need to I mean, 807 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: I was traveling all d SJA. I need to go 808 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: back and watch it. It seemed like the Pats played 809 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: a lot of zone in the second half defensively, and 810 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,399 Speaker 1: guys are just running wide open in the second half 811 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: finding space. There's just I said at the top of 812 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: the show, there's just too many guys to try to 813 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: handle on this offense, and you can hold them down 814 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: for sixty minutes and they can beat themselves for a 815 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: lot of that game and it's still doesn't matter. That's 816 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: gonna put up four hundred and fifty yards. I mean, 817 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: it really is incredible what they're doing right now. And 818 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: then they tried to go man on the winning touchdown. 819 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that crazy? Didn't work out? Well, no, it didn't. 820 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: And that's why one of my questions was for Belichick 821 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: was how did you stay in man so long with 822 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: knowing that Ceedee Lamb was going to expose him? You 823 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: saw the safety bite down on the tight end and 824 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb take that route right across. He was wide open. 825 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: But they played us in man a lot, and the 826 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: second half they did switch it up. If they didn't 827 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: switch it up, our offense would have just it would 828 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,839 Speaker 1: have been more than four hundred forty five yards passing. Okay, wait, wait, wait, 829 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: wait before you say what the last thing you're gonna say, 830 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: because we're almost out of time here that just flew by? 831 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: Is this a mix shot that you're gonna I was 832 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: going to throw out a question, but turn okay, here 833 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: it is a mix shot to close out mix shots. 834 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: The music. It's incredible, question was going to be, and 835 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: this will be a mix shot. Will you do you 836 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott will be ready to play against You say, 837 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't think we've brought up his name once. Is 838 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: he gonna be able to play against Minnesota? I think? 839 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: Is that your question? What I've been told is it 840 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: is a calf strain and the goal is to have 841 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: him ready for the Vikings game. But that doesn't mean 842 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: he will be ready. He's still in a walking boot. 843 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: So you are concerned? Color you concerned? Well, here's my 844 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: other question. There now seems to be a rash of 845 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: calf injuries in the NFL. There was one last night, 846 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: and I think when I read injuries, there was like 847 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: two or three more injury. Didn'tkareem Hunt get one? Yeah? Yesterday? Yeah? 848 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: What's what's with him? He's out four to five weeks. 849 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: It's but it's different between Michael Gallup, a skill position 850 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: guy that's that's got to run all day, and a 851 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: quarterback or a running back right quarterback still gotta have 852 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: his two feet going. I think you're right. I think 853 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: this would have been super dicey this week. I don't 854 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: even think he'd play if it were a game this week. 855 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: Now he says he would have, but because they're they're 856 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: not even Look, Mike said they're going to reevaluate him Monday. Yeah, 857 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: I think there's definitely a chance. I but he Mike 858 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: couched it yesterday and said, there's variance with these soft 859 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: tissue deals, and again, you don't you don't want to 860 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: rush it because you could reinjure that and reinjure it. 861 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 1: It's like a hamstring injury, a hell of a lot 862 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 1: worse than the first time. So yeah, I don't think 863 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: there's any guarantee that he's playing against Minnesota. I mean, 864 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,879 Speaker 1: but I think the key point of it is it's 865 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: not considered a severe injury, and that's that's the that's 866 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: the best part of that. But I think he's going 867 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: to be in that boot all week. Keep the pressure 868 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: off of it. I mean, I saw the boot that 869 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: Michael Gallup was wearing that next week and it was 870 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: huge and he was moving well on it. But you 871 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: can't play quarterback with it on, right. I don't think 872 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: the Jordan brand makes a shoe like that, But that's 873 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: Dak explained. They might They might now they might think 874 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: about that. Engineers are busy trying to construct one. Yeah, 875 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 1: but maybe from two guys that have worned that boot 876 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: way too many times, right, yes, yes, and that was 877 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: a that was a When he first walked into the 878 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: press room and Gillette with that on, it was like, 879 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, and so has he not 880 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: been through enough? Was there a reason why when he 881 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: walked in and pronounced, okay, let's take care of the 882 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: elephant in the room. And then somebody asked about the game. 883 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: That wasn't the first question. It wasn't the first, ques No, 884 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: it was the second question, and he invited the first question, 885 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: all right, let's take care of the elephant in the room. Kicked. Well, 886 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: what did you think about the versatility of this offense 887 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: to be able to score that many points and win? Yeah, 888 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm watching him right now. I see after the plane 889 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: landed and walking to his car from the charter and 890 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: he'll be fine. He had. He was kind of laughing 891 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: at us on the way out too, like y'all gonna 892 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: make a huge thing about this and it's not that 893 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: big a deal. No, Mickey just did he just put everybody, 894 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: everybody the Cowboy Nation just took a dosa pepto right there. 895 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,879 Speaker 1: He just did bubbles. Yeah, it's a little bubble guts 896 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: and merging here. He just put us on red alert. 897 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: Thank you spoiled our Byeway. He's saying, maybe Vikings, keep 898 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: your eye on the calf, but the goal is to 899 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 1: be ready for the Vikings. That's what I said. You're right, 900 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: but it was the goal. It wasn't he will be 901 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: ready for No one has said that. Everybody's been just 902 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: very optimus. Okay, well let me do tomorrow. Can we 903 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: just play, Jones said, before we get out of we 904 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: just played the mix shots intro. Please. I just need 905 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:07,799 Speaker 1: that in my life. Yes, already ready for the rest 906 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: of the Nates here. We gotta get out of here. Oh, 907 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,839 Speaker 1: we better move. That's exactly right. All right. 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