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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck.

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Speaker 2: It's just two of us, and that's great because I'll

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Speaker 2: be playing the role of Billy Junie Kink and Chuck's

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Speaker 2: going to play the role of male show Bennis Pig

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Speaker 2: Bobby and produce. Oh man, take it, Chuck. Hey.

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Speaker 3: Before we get going on this one, I have a

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Speaker 3: quick shout out and this is coming out a couple

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Speaker 3: of days after I did this because we're cutting it

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Speaker 3: so close because of our week off last week. But

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Speaker 3: that makes me happy because I was asked a friend

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Speaker 3: of mine's son. His name is Royce. He is a student,

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Speaker 3: a junior at Midtown High School here in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 3: he has a teacher, Miss Smolcoe, who is a long

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Speaker 3: time Stuff you Should Know listener. And when Royce told

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Speaker 3: Miss smokeol like, Hey, I know that guy. We're buddies.

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Speaker 3: We got hogs games together, kind of flipped out and

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Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I wonder if, like, would

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Speaker 3: he be interested in helping us out with our podcast program?

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Speaker 2: Oh cool?

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Speaker 3: And they set it up via email and I spent

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Speaker 3: yesterday which was in our World Monday at Midtown High

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Speaker 3: School addressing the junior class about two hundred kids, and

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Speaker 3: I gotta say, man, it was an incredible experience. The

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Speaker 3: students were into it. They were engaged, they had great questions,

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Speaker 3: they had great answers, they were you know, a lot

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Speaker 3: of it was sharing, you know, what they're doing with

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Speaker 3: this podcast project, which is based off of like stuff

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Speaker 3: you should know style stuff, which was super cool, like

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Speaker 3: these real philosophical questions that they're digging into and taking

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Speaker 3: opposite sides and debating, and they were seeking advice and

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Speaker 3: it was just it was an incredible experience. And I

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Speaker 3: just I left like on a real high about gen

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Speaker 3: Z and like where our future is headed. And it

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Speaker 3: was just awesome.

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Speaker 2: Great. So the broad strokes are gen Z got Chuck

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Speaker 2: high yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they got me super high. It was really cool.

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Speaker 3: They were all just amazing kids, and miss Smolco is wonderful.

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Speaker 3: And the other teacher, I think his name was Alex,

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Speaker 3: I can't remember his last name, but he was super nice.

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Speaker 3: And they're just like, hats off to these teachers. What's

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Speaker 3: going on in the at least at Midtown High School

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Speaker 3: is amazing, And I just left feeling great. That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: I think Royce is getting in a.

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Speaker 3: You know, Royce wasn't even there. He's does like a

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Speaker 3: late arrival thing because of like work study or something,

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Speaker 3: and so I was like, dude. I text him, was

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Speaker 3: like where were you? And he explained the whole deal

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Speaker 3: like that he's not even allowed in school till later.

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Speaker 3: So it was just one of those things. But everyone

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Speaker 3: was super nice and it was just it was was

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Speaker 3: so cool to see how into it everybody was.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Well way you go, Chuck, Oh, and real quick, there

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Speaker 3: were a couple of students I won't name them. I

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Speaker 3: have permission to name Royce because he's a pal, but

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Speaker 3: there were two legitimate, big time stuff you should know

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Speaker 3: listeners in the junior class that came up after and

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Speaker 3: said hello, and they were both like really really.

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Speaker 2: Nice, awesome shout out Thing one and thing two.

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Speaker 3: That's right, way to.

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Speaker 2: Go, Chuck. You were basically a teacher for that moment.

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Speaker 3: I kind of felt that way. Maybe one day when

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Speaker 3: I retire, I'll just like go and teach for real.

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Speaker 2: I'll let you borrow my tweet jacket with the swedelboat watches.

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Speaker 3: That don't be dumb jacket. Wow, that's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: You have to overlook all the stains on it, all. Right,

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Speaker 2: So we are talking about the Battle of the sexes today,

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Speaker 2: which I guess. I mean, this is a tough act

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Speaker 3: Frankly, No, this is a great fun sort of pop

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Speaker 3: culture history story and sports story. There was a movie

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Speaker 3: about it just a handful of years ago, starring Steve

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Speaker 3: Carell as Bobby Riggs and Emma Stone as Bill King,

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Speaker 3: where they portrayed the very famous tennis match between a

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Speaker 3: know what, men are better at women than everything, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what happened the end, that's right. So

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Speaker 2: On the one hand, you have Bobby Riggs, like you said,

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Speaker 2: Yes, although fifty five in nineteen seventy three was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't look like Bobby Riggs.

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Speaker 2: But he was over the hill, not just necessarily because

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Speaker 2: trying to do. On the other side was Billy Jing King,

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Speaker 2: who he took this very seriously because to her this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great. Love Billy Jing King.

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Speaker 3: Bobby Riggs. We'll talk about him in depth We're not

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Speaker 3: say Billy Jinking remained very good friends with him and

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Speaker 3: of went easy on him. I'm not sure I'm going

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Speaker 2: Well, I saw, I saw in places that there's it's

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Speaker 2: So you got to bear that in mind while we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just hit this just hit my brain.

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Speaker 3: If I'm going to go hard on Bobby Rigs, then

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Speaker 2: Well, really, if we learned anything from this battle of

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Speaker 3: Right. Should we go back to the early seventies and

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Speaker 3: It was a big time for women's advocacy and feminism

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just as an aside, we did, if I may

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Speaker 2: say so, a pretty good episode on the Equal Rights

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Speaker 3: World, that's right. Billy Jean King was and we should

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Speaker 3: also point out that, you know, as far as wage disparity,

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Speaker 3: But Billy Jean King was born in nineteen forty three,

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Speaker 3: She had won ten Grand Slam titles by seventy three.

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Speaker 3: little twelve year old Billy Jean King was like, what

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Speaker 3: the hell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like, these are sports. They said, that doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Count, right, that's not a thing yet.

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Speaker 2: So yeah. And one thing about Billy Jean King from

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Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff I read and saw about hers,

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Speaker 2: Yes, they threatened to boycott, like pretty much immediately after

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was all over the media everywhere

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Speaker 2: For sure. He was a true great tennis player at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he had, you know, the goods to back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, oh, but there's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of a lose lose proposition for her.

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Speaker 3: she was like she wasn't super active in the politics

434
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: of women's sports, and she was like, yeah, sure, I'll

435
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 3: play him. She stepped right up and in May of

436
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three, this was in San Diego or outside

437
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: San Diego. They played a three set match where ten

438
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: thousand dollars and about ten million people a lot of

439
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: put people tuned into the first one on CBS. Thirty

440
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: five hundred people were there live and he beat her.

441
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: He beat her six two six' one by PLAYING i

442
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: want to say a certain, thing BUT i. Can't he

443
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: was playing like a. Punk oh, Yeah he's playing junk

444
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: shots and like drop, shots and he wasn't playing like

445
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: sort of real. Tennis he was playing sort of joke.

446
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: Tennis and when you're playing against a player that can hit,

447
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 3: aggressive strong shots and you're just plunking him over the,

448
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: net like it's gonna you can't play tennis that way

449
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: if you're a real, player and it threw her off her.

450
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 3: Game she got in his. HEAD i think the moment

451
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 3: was a little too big for. HER i don't think

452
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: she realized how much attention there was going to, be

453
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: and she ended up getting beat pretty.

454
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: Badly, yeah he got in her, head, Right. Yeah so,

455
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 2: yes it's called The Mother's day massacre because it was

456
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: held On Mother's, day AND i mean it was really.

457
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: Bad but there's a point THAT i want you to

458
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: hang on to for. Later as much of a punk

459
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: as he, played he didn't play actual serious. Tennis he's

460
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: playing joky tennis to. Win he took that match very.

461
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: Seriously he trained for months ahead of. Time he was

462
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: playing or training like ten to twelve hours a day every.

463
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: Day he really, trained and by the time he was

464
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: by the time the game came, around he knew he

465
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: was going to Beat Margaret. Court so just keep that

466
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: in mind how hard he trained for.

467
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: That. Okay, Yeah and also we should point out like

468
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: at the very beginning of that, match to open it,

469
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: up he presented her with a bouquet of roses and

470
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: she curtsied back to, him And Billy Jin king is

471
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: watching this just like you, know furious, inside like she's, like,

472
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: oh he's, Playing and she in fact said later that

473
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: she played right into his. Hands there AND i would

474
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: have grabbed him and kissed. Him if he gets, DIRTY

475
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: i can get tough. Too so she hated the fact

476
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: That Margaret court went out there and sort of curtsied

477
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: to him and took the roses and then lost on NATIONAL,

478
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: TV i guess INTERNATIONAL. Tv and so she was, like all,

479
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: right you know What i'm gonna do. It i'm gonna

480
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: step up And i'm gonna Play Bobby. Riggs it's my.

481
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 2: Turn, yeah so she agreed to do this and it

482
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: became immediately, BUZZWORTHY i guess is what you would call

483
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: it if you're into that kind of.

484
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 3: Thing that's. Right the liver versus the lobber is how

485
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: they dubbed.

486
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, so LIKE i, said it's immediately generating. Buzz

487
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: Bobby riggs starts giving television interviews to any camera that

488
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: will stand still long, enough and he's a magnet for

489
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff because again he's a loud. Mouth

490
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: he's saying horrible things about. Women he's accepting like the

491
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: male chauvinus pig, moniker like With pride or. Whatever, yeah

492
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: and he's just like one of, those like he would

493
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: talk a mile a. Minute he had so much, energy

494
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: he was just a little a little kind of squirrely,

495
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: guy kind.

496
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: Of, like, Yeah Richard.

497
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: Simmons did you ever See Richard simmons when he would

498
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: go On? Letterman oh, yeah, Okay so it's great the

499
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: way That letterman kind of Regarded Richard simmons, affectionately but

500
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: also like this guy's he's moving around a. Lot. Yeah

501
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: he was like, that but amped up on like speed.

502
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: Essentially so he was a magnet for cameras and he

503
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: was giving interviews all over the.

504
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: Place, yeah and he was also you, know he's adding

505
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: hype for the event obviously by saying things, like you,

506
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: know she's a, woman they don't have the emotional, stability she'll.

507
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: Choke he added more. Stakes he said that he would

508
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: jump from The London bridge And arizona or The Pasadena

509
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: bridge if he. Lost and you, know he was all

510
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: over the. Place he was on the cover Of time

511
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: magazine that year In. September it was a caricature of

512
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: him wearing a male chaubeness badge and then there was

513
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: a picture of a pig and a banner that said

514
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: The Happy. Hustler so it was all working exactly as he.

515
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: Planned But Billy Jean, king like if he took that

516
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: first match. Seriously he didn't take this one as, seriously

517
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: And billy Jen king was really taking it.

518
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah i'm not sure if he was just you,

519
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: know resting on his laurels because of how badly he

520
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: Beat Margaret court that he just assumed that that was

521
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: going to translate into Playing Billy Jean. King but he

522
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: did not train nearly as much as he did For

523
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: billy For Margaret. Court, essentially he was out partying in

524
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: the lead up to all of. This he was also

525
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: really really getting more and more offensive as things went.

526
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: On, Right, oh you're gonna leave this one for.

527
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: Me.

528
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah one of the things he did was he showed

529
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: up to practice one day with the cameras there with

530
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: holes cut out in his shirt so his nipples could,

531
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: show and he said That Billy Jean king would look

532
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: better in. This and she came out in public and

533
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: she was, like this guy is a, creep which, was you,

534
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: know about as tough as you could be in language back. Then,

535
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah and he was publicly.

536
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: And it was at a press conference with them, together

537
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: and he, said, well you should take that back and she, said,

538
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: nope creep Stands and she said LATER i saw in

539
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: an interview she said, that, like she didn't take him,

540
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: seriously but she knew that there were men out there

541
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: that took him seriously and that he had crossed the,

542
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: line and she needed to make sure that that was.

543
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: Demonstrated that she was not okay with that.

544
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: One, YEAH i think she kind of played it all just.

545
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: Right it was really pretty savvy stuff on ther, end for.

546
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Sure SO i, say we take is this our second? Break?

547
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah second?

548
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: Break all, Right so the gun is going to go

549
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: off when we come, back.

550
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Stop.

551
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: OFF i wonder how many people are, like what is

552
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: he talking about when he keeps saying the gun is

553
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: going to go? Off Whenever act three comes, Around, WELL

554
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: i would, say study your checkof, friend.

555
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: That's, right and not your checkoff. Friend your checkoff come a, friend.

556
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: Right not the friend that you're, LIKE i gotta hang

557
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: out with him and then you do you real. Quick

558
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: you check him off your to do. List not that.

559
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: Guy, yeah we all have checkof.

560
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: Friends, Yeah i'm Sure i'm a lot of people's check Off.

561
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. No all, Right so where are

562
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: we are we? At match? Time, basically which was turned

563
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: into a complete circus by the, Way.

564
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: Yes this Is september, twentieth nineteen seventy. Three is that

565
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: The Houston. Astrodome, man thirty thousand people showed up in

566
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: person to see. THIS i saw all over the, place Including,

567
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: britannica that ninety million people watched it around the. World that's.

568
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: YEAH i Think olivia had fifty million. People BUT i

569
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: watched an interview with her WITH i mean serious journalist it.

570
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: Was it Was Kathy lee And hoda and they said ninety,

571
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: million and they were just drunk on white wine at

572
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: nine in the morning or, Whatever SO i trust.

573
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: Them, man that was a weird, time wasn't it?

574
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: That it was a very weird. TIME i did want

575
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: to point out THAT i looked. UP i was, like,

576
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: well how many people see a tennis tournament at like

577
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: The Grandes stage And Center court At wimbledon is about

578
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: fifteen thousand, People so this was double.

579
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: That. Wow. Yeah plus it was in the beautiful New,

580
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: astrodome so.

581
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah so.

582
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Great so the odds were very much in favor On Bobby.

583
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: Riggs the odds were six to one That riggs would.

584
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: Win and this was like the whole thing was kind

585
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: of presented in the media as like The battle of

586
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: the sexiest, thing the man versus, woman and every juvenile

587
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: joke or you, know quip or whatever you could make

588
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: out of. That that is how the whole thing was being.

589
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: Promoted that's how it was being played up in the.

590
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: Media it was not like this is a very serious

591
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: thing that they set women's women's rights back or move them.

592
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: Forward then of that was was in. There it was

593
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: all just this almost tongue in cheek approach to. It

594
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: and that's how the whole, thing if you were a,

595
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: viewer that's what you were kind of.

596
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: Shown, yeah for, Sure and that's a good thing to point.

597
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: Out there Was hollywood was. Involved there were a lot

598
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: of actors and singers and stuff that were in a

599
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: celebrity tournament. Beforehand they were really milking. It they when

600
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: they came in The university Of houston band performed the Song,

601
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: conquest which is an a them from the nineteen forty

602
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: seven Movie captain From. Castile that's When Bobby riggs came.

603
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: In they Played Helen REDDY'S I Am. Woman When Billy

604
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: Jean king came, In lyvia pointed out That John, Wayne

605
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: Bill cosby AND Oj simpson were in, attendance AND i

606
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: had probably thirteen different comments or jokes written out for,

607
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 3: that But i'm just going to let that trio stand

608
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: without comment.

609
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: Dans on its.

610
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: Own, YEAH i think.

611
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: So SO abc made a fat one point two million

612
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: dollars off of ads for this. Match, Yeah astrodome got

613
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: about half that and people paying admission. Price. Yeah and

614
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: the so with The Margaret Court Mother's Day massacre game

615
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: that was played under women's, rules in that there were three.

616
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Sets that's how women's tennis matches are played three. Sets

617
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: men's tennis matches are played five. Sets Billy Jean king was, like,

618
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: no we're going to play five sets best of five,

619
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: essentially so there were, five which was. Smart, yeah, yeah for.

620
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: Sure She. Yes another thing that you'll see that's happened

621
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: recently is sometimes so a woman's court might be smaller

622
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: than the man's, court which makes it harder for the

623
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: man to land a ball in.

624
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: Bounds like in A battle of the sexist.

625
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: Match, yes thank, you there was nothing like. That this

626
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: was like a men's match That Billy Jean king was playing.

627
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: Against Bobby.

628
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: Riggs oh, yeah well she was, LIKE i got this

629
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: fifty five year old, guy like he wants the three

630
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: set match so we're going to go five Because i'm

631
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: in great, shape. Right Bobby riggs enters on a carriage

632
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: pulled by women that are outfitted As bobby's bosom. Buddies

633
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: how Did Billy Jing king come?

634
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: In she came in on basically a platform carried by

635
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: men in TOGAS i also saw As, egyptians Like egyptian.

636
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: Servants they were shirtless, essentially and they were brawny. Dudes

637
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: so like mostly not her, idea but she was going

638
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: along with, it, right, yeah she. Was, Yeah well you

639
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: were saying that she was taking it, seriously and she,

640
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: was but she was also like willing to play along

641
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 2: with this, Too like she wasn't just some like stick

642
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: in the, mud you.

643
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, totally.

644
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: So just very. Appropriately Bobby riggs was sponsored by Sugar daddy, candy,

645
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: right and he Presented Billy Jean king with a two

646
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: foot long Sugar. Daddy remember Those they would just pull

647
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: the fillings right out of your head, Totally and So

648
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: king was, like, OH i have a gift for you.

649
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: Too it was a piglet that she Named Bobby riggs

650
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: because he was a Male chauvenu's pig and don't worry

651
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: about the. Pig she coordinated with the Promoter Jerry, perenchio

652
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: very legendary, promoter that the pig would not be eaten or,

653
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: harmed it would go to live on a farm, afterward

654
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: and it.

655
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: Did that says everything you need to know About Billy Jean. Kings, yeah,

656
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: yeah she thought of everything she.

657
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Did she she crossed her t's and. Died oinks that's.

658
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: Right so of course it's nineteen seventy, three so you

659
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: want to get the best in the business at the

660
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: time to do the play by, Play so they got

661
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: none other Than Howard. Cosell, initially they had a tennis

662
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: promoter and anti feminist Named Jack kramer who was going

663
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: to Do they're going to do sort of a he

664
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: Versus she, commentary and he was going to be on,

665
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: rigside and one of the original Nine Rosie cassol's was

666
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: going to be On billy Jan king. Side But, kramer

667
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: and this also speaks To Billy Jing, king he was

668
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: one of the guys behind that original tournament that they

669
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: protested and wouldn't play in The Pacific Southwest open where they,

670
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: said oh, yeah well we're going to ban you. Then

671
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: so she was, like, hey this is all fun and

672
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: games and, everything but if that jerk is, Involved i'm

673
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: not even going to do. This so they Pulled kramer

674
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: off the off the.

675
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: Broadcast, yeah and they didn't Have Rosie kassall speak To

676
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: And i'm really glad they didn't do. That THAT'S i,

677
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 2: mean it's a gimmick and it's, understandable but it would

678
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: have made the whole thing. Suck they brought In Gene,

679
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: scott who was the publisher Of Tennis, week and he

680
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: just gave commentary like it was a regular tennis, match

681
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: which is kind of what he wanted in this. One. Agreed,

682
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: SO i, mean Imagine Dennis miller And Dennis miller calling

683
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: a tennis. Match you don't want? That, yeah, WELL i

684
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: mean think about. It whose idea was it to put

685
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: him On monday night? Football on the one, hand it's.

686
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: Brilliant on the other it's like, What, yeah that was.

687
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Weird but it was it lasted for years, Too it's

688
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: not like it was a couple of.

689
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: Games, yeah, no HE i think it was a full,

690
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: season wasn't.

691
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: IT i think it was more than, that that was?

692
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: It, Yea, yeah that was.

693
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: Weird, Yeah so the game is on essentially that's that's

694
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: the point we've reached. Here that's.

695
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: Right So Bobby riggs takes a three two lead in

696
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: the first, set and later On Billy Jean king would, say,

697
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: LIKE i was in. TROUBLE i KNEW i was making some.

698
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: MISTAKES i was in my head a little, bit AND

699
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: i knew THAT i could not give this first set. Away,

700
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: basically like he needed to get that set for his psychological,

701
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: standing and so that first set was so so important for,

702
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: her so she knew that she had to win. It

703
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: she was down three to, two and she came back

704
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: and beat him and won that first set six to,

705
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: four which was a huge blow to his.

706
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: Psyche, yeah she said that she could tell that that

707
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: had gotten to him when they switched. Sides so she

708
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 2: also changed her playing. Style, normally she would be like

709
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 2: she'd want to win the point as quickly and efficiently as. Possible,

710
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: instead she started drawing volleys out and basically put the

711
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: ball in one corner and then put the ball in

712
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: the other. Corner so she had this old man running

713
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: back and forth chasing down these balls to purposefully tire them.

714
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: OUT i, mean that's just so cool that people are

715
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: capable of doing. That you, know, LIKE i want the

716
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: ball to go ry, here So i'm going to go

717
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: right there with this, racket even though the ball's coming

718
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: at me at seventy miles an.

719
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: Hour, yeah for. Sure so she wore him. Out by the,

720
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: end he was talking about hand. Cramps the levity had

721
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: kind of lessened, because like you, said this fifty five

722
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: year old was an old old, man.

723
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Right so remember we were so, old, right not fifty

724
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: four fifty?

725
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: Five, Okay, OKAY i got a couple more.

726
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: Weeks So Billy Jing king, won and she won like,

727
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: convincingly sixty four sixty, three sixty, three so remember best

728
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: out of. Five she beat him in three straight. Sets,

729
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: yeah and she got her one hundred thousand check from

730
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: no less Than George, foreman WHO i read had hoped

731
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: to Use Bobby riggs the pig to demonstrate his new

732
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: type of indoor, grill but was disappointed that he wasn't allowed.

733
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: To oh, No and so this was it was just

734
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: an immediate. Splash remember this is a media. Spectacle everybody

735
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: knows about. This ninety million people are, watching so the

736
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: media just got right in on it again to let everybody.

737
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: Know Billy Jean king won and let's celebrate her as

738
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: a pro tennis. Player and that's.

739
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: It that's. RIGHT i think we Know josh's coy voice by.

740
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: Now that's not at all how it was. Reported of,

741
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: course they kept reporting it sort of in the lowest

742
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 3: common denominator. Way THE ap said that, screaming delirious women's

743
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: livers lit up more brightly than the rocket shooting astrodome.

744
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: Scoreboard even my Beloved New York times Said king, collapsed

745
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 3: tears in her eyes and her husband's, arms adding, later

746
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: all of a, sudden she was a, champion a, woman

747
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 3: and a little girl all at the same.

748
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: Time that one brings like my eyes water from that.

749
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: One, yeah that's.

750
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: Tough that's so much worse than the astrodome, scoreboard, RIGHT i,

751
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: mean neither one are. Great, yeah that one is just

752
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: like they meant. That they were trying to like really

753
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: be poignant, there and it's just, like good, God.

754
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah they missed the.

755
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: Mark the thing About Bobby riggs is he wasn't, like,

756
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: well you, know she obviously is some freak woman who

757
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: who beat. Me that's the only woman who could. Be

758
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: he did the. Opposite he accepted the defeat with dignity And. Grace,

759
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: yeah he saw that.

760
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: Coming he had a.

761
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 2: Thing where he hopped over the net win or lose

762
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: after the end of every, match and he. Did he

763
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: hopped right over the net and went up to her

764
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: and he said confidentially to her that he underestimated. Her,

765
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah and then in the press conference he went on

766
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: to basically say the same, thing like she beat him very.

767
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: Clearly, yeah he said she was too strong for. Me

768
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: there have since been rumors that he threw the match

769
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: as a gambler with six to one odds, against that

770
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: he threw the match and bet against. Himself there was

771
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 3: a report IN i think twenty THIRTEEN espn dug into

772
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: that and that there were like mafia figures he was

773
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: working with to rig the. Odds we'll never know the,

774
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 3: Truth But Bobby riggs said he didn't throw. It Billy

775
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: Jean king said THAT i don't think he threw. It

776
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: like she could tell what was going on emotionally on

777
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: that court and could tell that he wanted to win

778
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: and that he was. Losing you, know he might have

779
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 3: prepared like he should. Have AND i guess we'll never

780
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: know the. Truth but my money's on she beat.

781
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: Him, yeah my Two but there's that rumor does have,

782
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: legs like he did hang out with mob, guys he

783
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: was a huge. Gambler the idea was that he was

784
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: indebted to the, mob like one hundred grand for in

785
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: gambling debts and they would wipe it clean if he threw,

786
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: this and that he was also betting on, himself and

787
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: his son, said it's. POSSIBLE i don't really think that's,

788
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: true but it's, possible although his best friend is, LIKE

789
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: i won't even entertain that that's, Possible like he just

790
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: didn't do. That, yeah but one of the things that

791
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: people point to is he was making some terrible mistakes

792
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: during the, Game so either she got in his head

793
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: and he was rattled or he was throwing. It it

794
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: just seems like the general consensus is that now he

795
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: it seems pretty fringe that to genuinely leave that he

796
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: threw the.

797
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: Match, YEAH i. Agree WHICH i saw bits of that.

798
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: MOVIE i never saw the whole. Thing the casting was,

799
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: incredible Like Steve carell And Emma stone were kind of.

800
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: PERFECT i don't think the movie was reviewed like super,

801
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 3: favorably but it looked. Okay it's supposedly very true to. Life, actually, yeah,

802
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah Billy Jen. King at least you Told hoda And

803
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: Kathy lee that it was pretty true to. Life she said.

804
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: That she said they got the essence of. It she,

805
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: said it's a, movie of, course but they nailed the.

806
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: Essence, man have you Seen? Bogogonia oh, boy, yeah that

807
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: is one of my new favorite. Movies that is so.

808
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: GOOD i did not LIKE i can never remember his,

809
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: name what is?

810
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: It i'm glad you watched. That Oh Jesse.

811
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: Plemons, no, no, no the?

812
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 3: Director oh oh oh? Uh Yugust. Lanthemos thank.

813
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: You wouldn't That let me try saying it, Too Yorgus.

814
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: LANTHEMOS i don't Think i've ever tried it Because i've

815
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: always been, Like i'm gonna screw this.

816
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: Up WELL i might have screwed it, up but that's

817
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: WHAT i don't.

818
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: Think SO i think you got it. ANYWAY i did

819
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: not Like Poor, things AND i was, like, OH i don't,

820
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: know BECAUSE i liked everything leading up to, that but not.

821
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: This and THEN i saw. This i'm, like he's.

822
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: Back, yeah it's a. GREAT i told. YOU i texted

823
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: you to see kinds Of kindness. Too have you seen that?

824
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: ONE i still have not. Know i've been watching just

825
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: tons of riff.

826
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 3: Tracks, yeah it's hard to get out of the cycle

827
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: what you get in? Sure all, Right so back to

828
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: this after the back to The battle of The. Sexes after,

829
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: this he wanted to kind of keep the media spotlight on,

830
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: him so he tried to jump off The London bridge In,

831
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: arizona but the sheriff there so, like he can't do,

832
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 3: That so he had his picture taken on the, lake

833
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: blow it and a. Raft Billy Jean king went on

834
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: to just keep Being Billy Jean. King in nineteen seventy,

835
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: four she founded The Women's Sports, foundation which is a

836
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 3: nonprofit for women's and girls and. Athletics and she would

837
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: end up sort of very publicly coming out of the

838
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: closet after being married for a long time to a,

839
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: guy not The Larry, king but Her Larry king in

840
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty, one her longtime manager and, Assistant Marilyn. Barnett

841
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: it was very sad what. Happened she filed a lawsuit

842
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: against her which revealed their affair that they had from

843
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: seventy two to seventy nine because she had fallen from

844
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: a balcony Of Billy Jing's Billy Jing king's house In

845
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: malibu and lost the use of her legs and said, that,

846
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 3: Hey Billy Jing king promised to give me that house

847
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: and support me. Financially so she took her to court

848
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: and it got really.

849
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: Messy, YEAH i. Saw so the fall from the house In,

850
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: MALIBU i saw was an attempted, suicide and that she

851
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: Had Marilyn barnett had Blackmailed Larry king And Billy Jing

852
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: king before the, lawsuit basically said, hey if you don't

853
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: want this to come, out let's settle BEFORE i actually

854
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: go public with. It they. Didn't she went public with,

855
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: it and, then to her great, credit after being outed

856
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty what eighty one eighty, One Billy Jing kink,

857
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: said you know, what we'd never promised The malibu, house but,

858
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: Yes i'm. Gay larry AND i have an open marriage

859
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: and we're actually going to stay together for the time.

860
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Speaker 2: Being and they stayed together until nineteen eighty, seven and

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00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: they divorced Because Billy Jean king fell For Elana, kloss

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00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: a fellow tennis, player and they ended up getting married

863
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: in twenty. Eighteen so this is. Enormous she was. Outed

864
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: she hadn't outed. Herself her choice to do so was,

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Speaker 2: removed but she stood behind. It she didn't deny, it

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00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: she didn't deny who she. Was she, said, Yep i'm. Gay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was pretty. Great as far as equality and

868
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Speaker 3: pay and pro, sports that's obviously still a. Thing it

869
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: was two thousand and seven when all The Grand slams

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00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: agreed to pay women equally in, tennis and they still

871
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: don't and some of the other big, EVENTS i think

872
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: just a couple of years, ago the twenty twenty Four Canadian,

873
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 3: open it was a five point nine million dollar pool

874
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: for the men in two point million dollar pool for.

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00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: Women and if you, know if you come back with

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00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: an argument of, like, yeah well the you, know the

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00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: men's events are they get more viewers and more advertising

878
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 3: because they're in those better time, slots then you kind

879
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: of just said it. Yourself it's a lot of it

880
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: has to do with the fact that they're in those

881
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: better time slots and they tend to schedule the women's

882
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: events in lesser time, slots and so they don't get

883
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 3: as much. Advertising they don't, have you, know a great

884
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: maternity leave and professional tennis for, Women so it's you,

885
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: know there's still battles to be. Fought But billy Jing

886
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: king is still out there fighting them.

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00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: One last little, Thing. Chuck that always it struck. Me

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00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: before he died in nineteen ninety, FIVE i think like

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Speaker 2: the night before he, Died billy Jing king Visited Bobby

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Speaker 2: riggs to say.

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00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: Goodbye, yeah it's pretty. Great they had a, lifelong you,

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00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: know tie in. Friendship so that's.

893
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: It that's the battle of the. Sexist it.

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Speaker 3: Was it was.

895
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Speaker 2: Great how about? That, YEAH i feel LIKE i feel

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Speaker 2: Like Tim robbins In, anchorman remember The he's, like you

897
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Speaker 2: know we HAVE pbs are really done with women's. Lip.

898
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah Also Steve carrell was in.

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Speaker 2: That, yeah he loves. Lamp he loves. Lamp Since chuck

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Speaker 2: said he loves, LAMP i tricked him into. It he

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Speaker 2: just unlocked a listener.

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00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: Mail, yeah this is a listener mail Where i'm going

903
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: to apologize To epha From ireland because apparently we have

904
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: here and there dabbled In irish erasure in our, show

905
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: which is something that is a total accident and something

906
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: That i'm going to be more aware of moving. Forward

907
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: and here's the. Email hi, guys longtime listener, Here i'm

908
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: so sad to hear Two irish erasure moments in one,

909
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Speaker 3: episode in The Third Man syndrome, episode you use the

910
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: example of The endurance expedition to show how it, works

911
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: and you Called Ernest Shackleton, british and If i'm not,

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Speaker 3: wrong Also Tom, crean but both men were reborn In.

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Speaker 3: Irish shackleton was born in Kil Key county Kill. Dare

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Speaker 3: DID i say that? RIGHT i THINK i? Did you said, Ki,

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Speaker 3: yeah Kil Key County killdare just under an hour From Dublin,

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Speaker 3: city And crean was born In, Anascaul County. Kerry this

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Speaker 3: is a sore spot For irish people as we are

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Speaker 3: often so often Called british and we don't take it so. Well,

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Speaker 3: example look Up Killian murphy also being Called. British but

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Speaker 3: we will forgive, you, However and that is From epha And.

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Speaker 3: Ifa that is me being an ignorant, person AND i

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Speaker 3: certainly know there's a, difference AND i have a hard

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Speaker 3: time keeping tracks, sometimes BUT i need to do better at.

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Speaker 2: That so.

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Speaker 3: Apologies nice, Work.

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Speaker 2: Chuck i'm Sure i've done that before, too SO i

927
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Speaker 2: want to apologize.

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Speaker 3: Too great two apologies in one, yes and who is that?

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Speaker 3: From that was FROM efa spelled A i F e.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful THANKS a LOT efa and if you want to

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Speaker 2: be LIKE efa and call us out on something we

932
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Speaker 2: stand for that you can send it in an email

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