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Speaker 5: Welcome into Girls Talk, Boys Talk.
Speaker 6: I am back in the seat after a much needed
Speaker 6: day off. Sorry, guys, it was a rough one on Saturday.
Speaker 6: It was about an eighteen hour day or Sunday rather,
Speaker 6: it's all running together. It was an eighteen hour day
Speaker 6: and then I had to be back up at the Star.
Speaker 6: So Kelsey, thank you for sitting in the host seat
Speaker 6: and glad to go back and I am refreshed, I'm prepped.
Speaker 6: I've got some interesting news and nuggets for y'all. And
Speaker 6: I also want to welcome Men Jazz. We also have
Speaker 6: a female producer.
Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan of so Jazz.
Speaker 6: Throughout the show, I might ask you to chime into
Speaker 6: so just a heads up.
Speaker 7: She's incredible and amazing every single way.
Speaker 5: Yes, all right, we love.
Speaker 6: Jesse Jazz all right, So Dak Prescott with a successful
Speaker 6: surgery on Monday. As we reported earlier this week, the
Speaker 6: timeline has shifted from six to eight weeks to a
Speaker 6: much more optimistic four to six weeks.
Speaker 5: Ladies.
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy sang the goals to get him back involved
Speaker 6: in practice since they decided against an IR designation. But
Speaker 6: the first stage is this eight to ten days of
Speaker 6: healing up, depending on how he feels. And as he's
Speaker 6: been described, he's the heart and soul of the team.
Speaker 6: McCarthy would like to have him on the headsets the
Speaker 6: same way that we've seen in the past, guys like
Speaker 6: Tyron Smith, Layton Vandersh In the past, the Cowboys have
Speaker 6: average nearly ten fewer points and one hundred fewer total
Speaker 6: yards per game in games with Alt Prescott and the
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy era. That's fun, all right, So moving forward,
Speaker 6: Cooper rushers starter, and a few thoughts in the locker
Speaker 6: room today about rush from Zach Martin.
Speaker 4: Scoop's been here a long time. He's very smart. Guy,
Speaker 4: knows Zach what's going on. But there's always kind of
Speaker 4: that like I wonder how we'll do in a game,
Speaker 4: and I think he kind of showed that last year
Speaker 4: in the Minnesota game. Came in and did a great job.
Speaker 4: I've gotta win, and so I think everyone's got all
Speaker 4: the confidences in the world, and I know, I know
Speaker 4: Dak's spent all the conference in the world on him.
Speaker 4: So the nice thing is Coop. Coop's very locked into
Speaker 4: what's going on. He's very smart guy, so there's really
Speaker 4: no difference there as far as that goes.
Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, he said he spreads the confidence throughout
Speaker 6: the huddle, and that's a big thing.
Speaker 5: So here's a Zeke.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed Zeke's very emphatic take on Coop today when
Speaker 6: we asked him about Cooper Rush.
Speaker 8: I mean, I've been around Coup for a long time.
Speaker 8: So he came in a year after me. I think
Speaker 8: one year he wasn't here. But I mean I've been
Speaker 8: around Coop a lot. We spent a lot of time together.
Speaker 8: So you know, personally, I know Coop knows it. I
Speaker 8: know he's he's on top of his offense. I know
Speaker 8: he knows it inside out. Maybe not as well as Dak,
Speaker 8: but you know very well. And so I mean we
Speaker 8: all got a lot of confidence in Cooper.
Speaker 6: I don't know if the fans or myself has as
Speaker 6: much confidence as Zach Martin and Ezekiel Elliott are selling
Speaker 6: to us.
Speaker 5: They all say a lot of this has to do
Speaker 5: with his.
Speaker 6: Performance on the road when they picked up a win
Speaker 6: in Minneapolis. But guys, that's when you had a guy
Speaker 6: like Leale Collins on the offensive line.
Speaker 5: That's when you had Tyron Smith.
Speaker 6: That's when you had Amuri Cooper who raised his hand
Speaker 6: and said he wanted the ball. Aysha will start with
Speaker 6: you argue as confident and Cooper Rush as the guys
Speaker 6: in the locker room were today when we asked about.
Speaker 9: It, I'm not gonna say I'm I think it sounds
Speaker 9: like what they're confident on is maybe just the playbook
Speaker 9: like him know because they refer to him knowing like
Speaker 9: just as much as Dak or almost as much as Dak.
Speaker 9: And I'm gonna assume that that is the football side
Speaker 9: of it, in the language and in the playbook. But
Speaker 9: as far as him as a player, I I said
Speaker 9: what I said yesterday, and I meant it is that
Speaker 9: I think that, yeah, that you do have the fact
Speaker 9: that he has the experience there. But at the same time,
Speaker 9: I look at what's gonna be the difference in the
Speaker 9: delivery of the ball, just how fast the ball comes out,
Speaker 9: just his process and things like that.
Speaker 10: And I'm not I have.
Speaker 9: Never really been particularly like over excited about Cooper Rush. However,
Speaker 9: I do think that Kellen Moore has the opportunity to
Speaker 9: put him in good positions with running the ball and
Speaker 9: opening up things for him offensively to help him out.
Speaker 6: And that's what Mike said today, They've got to open
Speaker 6: up the playbook for him.
Speaker 5: Just your thoughts.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So, I'm actually we keep hearing about this game
Speaker 11: against the Vikings. I haven't actually looked at the stats
Speaker 11: from that game until right now. I'm just sweeping through him,
Speaker 11: and you know, it doesn't look bad. But like you said,
Speaker 11: it was a much different team last year. So the
Speaker 11: Cowboys last time, you know, Cooper Rush was in that position.
Speaker 11: I had a total yardage of four hundred and nineteen
Speaker 11: three hundred and forty one passing yards, seventy eight rushing yards,
Speaker 11: And I mean they did.
Speaker 7: They looked good. And Cooper Rush himself, going back to
Speaker 7: those he.
Speaker 11: Had let's see, forty attempts with the ball completed, twenty
Speaker 11: four of them. He had a total of three hundred
Speaker 11: and twenty five yards and two touchdowns one interception. So
Speaker 11: not a bad game for a backup, but.
Speaker 6: Also Zimmer lost his job after that season. Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: how good the vikings were.
Speaker 11: Right, I was about to say, not a bad game,
Speaker 11: but also not a bad game for a backup quarterback
Speaker 11: that had the O line that they had last year.
Speaker 11: So my confidence level in Coop is as high as
Speaker 11: it can be with what he has around him, because
Speaker 11: I don't necessarily think that it's just Coop that could
Speaker 11: be the reason that the team doesn't win, right. I
Speaker 11: think there's so many different factors, and we saw that
Speaker 11: it goes back to play calling, It goes back to
Speaker 11: wide receivers being you know, open catching balls, fundamental football
Speaker 11: that was like.
Speaker 7: My favorite from yesterday.
Speaker 11: Goes back to are they going to fix the things
Speaker 11: that cost them the game?
Speaker 7: Penalties?
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 11: My favorite thing to come back to are it's not
Speaker 11: necessarily Cooper Rush that I don't think the fan base
Speaker 11: doesn't have the confidence in. I think it's just the
Speaker 11: offense as a whole right now. And then you you
Speaker 11: take Dac out and that confidence level drops automatically, no
Speaker 11: matter what, no matter who it is, if it's Cooper Rush,
Speaker 11: if it's if it's Will Greer, no matter who is
Speaker 11: in that QB two position, your confidence level is just
Speaker 11: not gonna be the same as your QB one. So
Speaker 11: going in, I'm not I'm optimistic. I'm trying to be
Speaker 11: optimistic here, Kelsey.
Speaker 6: These are two quarterbacks, though, that are on your roster
Speaker 6: now that you're expected to get you through.
Speaker 5: I think it's I don't think it's gonna be four games.
Speaker 6: I think we're pushing the five six week window at least.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, you had you told us this week you
Speaker 6: had a very similar surgery. But these are two quarterbacks
Speaker 6: you passed the waivers. There was no respect for them,
Speaker 6: even as backups for any thirty one other teams in
Speaker 6: the league. I think that's what concerns me. And You've
Speaker 6: got plenty of tape on Cooper Rush, so if another
Speaker 6: team was interested in picking him up, he was there
Speaker 6: for your taking and they didn't.
Speaker 5: And so I also like to put to bed.
Speaker 6: I know we had talked about Jimmy g being one
Speaker 6: of those names. I had gotten some random texts today.
Speaker 6: This is how it works on my phone. A random
Speaker 6: text today that the Cowboys were going after Jimmy G
Speaker 6: and there were picks involved, and I was like, not
Speaker 6: a chance. But I did my due diligence and I
Speaker 6: can confirm talking to multiple sources, Dallas did not even
Speaker 6: pick up the phone on Jimmy G.
Speaker 7: So there's that that's not surprising by any means.
Speaker 6: No, but Kelsey, your thoughts on Ed Cooper, who is
Speaker 6: getting pushed by Will Grey in camp?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think there's we have to
Speaker 12: think about the fact that on paper, this is a
Speaker 12: guy who's had one career NFL start. He was Jason
Speaker 12: Garrett guy. Let's not forget. I mean, he comes then
Speaker 12: a year after Zeke. He actually has a brief stint
Speaker 12: in New York when Jason Garrett go up there. How
Speaker 12: many times did we talk about people not respecting what
Speaker 12: Jason Garrett's putting on the table as an OC, been
Speaker 12: as a head coach, and again as an OC over
Speaker 12: in New York. So I just for me, I definitely
Speaker 12: think that this is nothing against Cooper Rush, but there's
Speaker 12: going to be a significant drop up a drop off,
Speaker 12: excuse me. And I think one of the things that
Speaker 12: as Cowboys fans and people that have been around the
Speaker 12: team for a minute, could definitely acknowledge is that we've
Speaker 12: been spoiled over here, you know, in Star City, if
Speaker 12: you will, our backup quarterback situation, when you have guys
Speaker 12: like who have literally been career starters in the league.
Speaker 12: You've got the Kyle Ortons, You've got the Matt Castles,
Speaker 12: You've got you know Sanchez who's literally coaching these guys up.
Speaker 12: Say what you will about each of them. They may
Speaker 12: not have been the caliber of an Aaron Rodgers, but
Speaker 12: they still were leading offenses for a significant amount of time.
Speaker 12: So yes, I am concerned, and I think it's a
Speaker 12: really big task to ask Cooper Rush to carry this
Speaker 12: team through I mean a quarter dare I say almost
Speaker 12: a half of the season.
Speaker 6: Well, And I think the other concern I have is
Speaker 6: is even when Dak was healthy, how anemic this offense
Speaker 6: looked and felt that they didn't seem to get something going.
Speaker 6: And so you know, you had Dak throwing in a
Speaker 6: tight windows, there seemed to be some miscues out there,
Speaker 6: and how is that going to get better with a
Speaker 6: guy like couper Rush. I mean, I guess the silver
Speaker 6: lining is he got some working in the preseason. Something
Speaker 6: that Dak didn't is that the one silver lining that
Speaker 6: we look.
Speaker 10: For, it's going to be an all around effort here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, when you lose a guy like a Dak Prescott,
Speaker 9: everybody got to come on with it. So that means
Speaker 9: the receiver's got to finish their routes, that means they
Speaker 9: have to block through their routes. It means everyone is
Speaker 9: flying off the line, and it's a one hundred percent effort.
Speaker 9: So I'm not you're You're gonna have to have some
Speaker 9: heart going forward. This team is going to have to
Speaker 9: dig deep to make a for the loss of their quarterback.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying it's not possible, because again, it would
Speaker 9: appear that you somewhat have a run game out here
Speaker 9: in these streets and obviously you know I mean the Bucks.
Speaker 10: Hey, say what you want to say. The Bucks D
Speaker 10: line ain't no sleeper and they did, granted they.
Speaker 9: Went away from it at some point in time, but
Speaker 9: you do have some success there and that's going to
Speaker 9: help any quarterback, any quarterback. And it's weird because when
Speaker 9: you look at a quarterback like a Cooper Rush, I
Speaker 9: would expect for them to it seems like he's not afraid.
Speaker 10: When he got in there, he just started, you.
Speaker 9: Know, he not afraid to kind of you know, throw
Speaker 9: the ball down the field and stuff like that. So
Speaker 9: maybe you do get a little bit of goodness from
Speaker 9: recklessness at times.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 6: And well, and so I love that you brought up
Speaker 6: the run game. I think the key against the Bengals
Speaker 6: is this commitment to the run game. You know, Zeke
Speaker 6: said that over and over today, and he said his
Speaker 6: ten touches were simply not enough. Agree, Well, you're going
Speaker 6: up against the Bengals, who have the seventh rushing d
Speaker 6: in the league. Let's again look at Ezekiel Elliott's line
Speaker 6: against Tampa Bay Bucks. He led the Cowboys of ten
Speaker 6: carries fifty two rushing yards in Week one Tony Pollard
Speaker 6: and six carries for eight rushing yards. Ezekiel Elliott has
Speaker 6: not had one hundred plus rushing yards, y'all are gonna
Speaker 6: find this was actually a little shocking to me since
Speaker 6: Week five in twenty twenty one versus the Giants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thirteen straight game.
Speaker 6: Thirteen straight games Kelsey under one hundred rushing yards. This
Speaker 6: has been the longest in his career. And when I
Speaker 6: look at what they were able to do against the
Speaker 6: Steelers in Nauji Harris, they gave up two hundred and
Speaker 6: sixty seven yards, so.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's an opertunity.
Speaker 6: Naji Harris or Naji Harris rather was only able to
Speaker 6: get twenty three yards and a touchdown. So that's what
Speaker 6: concerns me when we talk about this commitment to the run. Again,
Speaker 6: it didn't necessarily work against the Bucks. I don't you know,
Speaker 6: even though we saw him get his fifty three yard
Speaker 6: or his fifty two rushing yards. I I'll be interested
Speaker 6: to see how this works because this is a very
Speaker 6: stingy defense.
Speaker 11: We talk Bengals, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 11: too is we have no way of knowing if Zeke
Speaker 11: could have surpassed that one hundred yard mark because he
Speaker 11: only got ten touches during this game. And when you
Speaker 11: look back, and I watched some of the film like
Speaker 11: shit with you in mind, I don't know how you
Speaker 11: watch the whole game was not able to be that strong,
Speaker 11: if you will. But you know, when you look Zeke
Speaker 11: was doing he wasn't doing bad. He's averaging what five
Speaker 11: point two yards of carry? That tells me feed the
Speaker 11: man more, keep giving him the ball.
Speaker 13: It was.
Speaker 11: It wasn't Zeke that didn't get the run going. It
Speaker 11: was the play calling that gave up and didn't establish
Speaker 11: the run or allow him to continue to establish the.
Speaker 7: Run even going into the second quarter.
Speaker 11: I mean, and then the second half of the game,
Speaker 11: the run was basically non existent. It was it wasn't
Speaker 11: there at all, right, And and you know, I think
Speaker 11: Cowboys fans got kind of what they wanted when when
Speaker 11: they got Tony Pollard getting in and you know, here's
Speaker 11: the thing, Tony Pollard in the pass pro also non existent.
Speaker 11: When when you look back at things and it's it's
Speaker 11: hard because with a guy like Zeke, you have to
Speaker 11: give him that time to establish the run. You can't
Speaker 11: just say, hey, have the ball ten times and you're
Speaker 11: gonna have a one hundred yard game. That's not how
Speaker 11: that's not how it works well.
Speaker 6: And I love that you brought that up because that's
Speaker 6: something that we've talked about around here, is Zeke is
Speaker 6: more successful when you're constantly feeding him. And so that's
Speaker 6: the importance of feeding him, keeping him you know, in
Speaker 6: the in the game. But you know, he and I
Speaker 6: kind of talked off to the side. It's tough when
Speaker 6: you're also getting all these substitutions on your offensive line, right,
Speaker 6: I mean when you lost Connor McGovern that, you know
Speaker 6: you're already Even talking to Zach Martin today, I said,
Speaker 6: is it hard for you, as an elder statesman to
Speaker 6: sort of look around and go, Wow, I'm I'm the
Speaker 6: only true anchor on this offensive line. And he said,
Speaker 6: even when he has bad days, he typically looks to
Speaker 6: Dak to sort of bring him up. And he said,
Speaker 6: when I asked him this question, he said, I've had
Speaker 6: to come to work more prepared, bring the energy every day.
Speaker 5: He feels the responsibility to get these other guys you know,
Speaker 5: lined up.
Speaker 6: It's just there were so many question marks about the
Speaker 6: offensive line, the wide receiver group, and even your depth
Speaker 6: at quarterback, and it is all coming back to bite them. Yeah,
Speaker 6: just start the season. I think that's wild.
Speaker 10: Mm hm.
Speaker 12: I honestly like, I'm just looking back again. I know
Speaker 12: we're talking about the game upcoming, but you know this
Speaker 12: team tried to run the ball sixteen times. That's half
Speaker 12: of the amount of time that Tampa Bay is doing
Speaker 12: exactly that. The only other guy on the field that
Speaker 12: had more in terms of production wise, average was four net,
Speaker 12: which we knew that was going to happen. You kind
Speaker 12: of had to give that to him to be able
Speaker 12: to shut down the receivers. So that's a loss I'm
Speaker 12: willing to take, So I guess, I mean, I know.
Speaker 5: We've talked about this.
Speaker 12: It's just alarming. Like you saw it during the game,
Speaker 12: it was working. You see it on paper, it was
Speaker 12: working like what I normally like to say. These guys
Speaker 12: are above my pay grade and they're the ones making
Speaker 12: the decisions for a reason. But I'm just curious, like
Speaker 12: I'm struggling to find the logic here.
Speaker 6: I think you're struggling to find the logic Kelsey, because
Speaker 6: it feels like the same thing over and over and over.
Speaker 5: In other words, we've.
Speaker 6: Talked about a lot of these things last year, and
Speaker 6: it doesn't feel like there's been much room for improvement.
Speaker 5: Are Ysha not I.
Speaker 9: So with the with the run game, it's gonna be important.
Speaker 9: We talked about the penalties and stuff. It's gonna be
Speaker 9: important for them to stay stay, you know, not to
Speaker 9: get behind the sticks, because that's also the reason why
Speaker 9: they had to go away from the run because when
Speaker 9: you're in second and ten and then second and fifteen
Speaker 9: you have to pass the ball, And we talked about
Speaker 9: it. It just seemed like some other people have some stuff
Speaker 9: to say about it. It was predictable. They people kind of
Speaker 9: knew what was going on in the way. So I'm
Speaker 9: hoping it's it's so interesting because it keeps happening to where.
Speaker 10: It's on.
Speaker 9: It really is on the coordinator, the offensive coordinator to
Speaker 9: to figure this out like it's the also the offensive
Speaker 9: line coach not leaving Joe Filbin out of this, like
Speaker 9: they're gonna have to come together, have some conversations and say,
Speaker 9: how can we help get these guys open? How can
Speaker 9: we have plays that allowed this quarterback to be comfortable
Speaker 9: and get in a rhythm. That's boots waggles little stuff
Speaker 9: to help him. I know he's not that mobile, but
Speaker 9: we have to get this defense. You got to get
Speaker 9: them on the move, You got to get them move
Speaker 9: in misdirection stuff like that, because they they're smart players,
Speaker 9: they're instinctive players.
Speaker 10: The Cincinnati Bengals are not.
Speaker 9: I can't I believe I'm saying this, but this defense
Speaker 9: is not looking at the tape.
Speaker 10: They are stingy.
Speaker 9: They didn't want to give up much last week and
Speaker 9: their front seven, their front seven tackles very well.
Speaker 6: So and they've got a guy on the roster by
Speaker 6: the name of cheetoh Uzia who knows this offense very well.
Speaker 7: They didn't have to take it there. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 7: that very well.
Speaker 10: I think.
Speaker 9: I think also to a time of possession is going
Speaker 9: to be very important in this game. This defense for
Speaker 9: what they did, you know last on Sunday, they did
Speaker 9: what they could, you know, being on the field as
Speaker 9: much as they did. If I'm not mistaken, the difference
Speaker 9: in the second quarter was insane.
Speaker 10: It was. It was almost like a ten minute difference.
Speaker 10: Is I'm not if I'm not mistaken?
Speaker 12: And you know what helps with that? Do you guys
Speaker 12: know it helps with that?
Speaker 10: We talked running the ball without penalties.
Speaker 7: No penalties. Yeah, having to get started again, do I
Speaker 7: have to.
Speaker 10: Remind but to repeat myself, I want to see matchups.
Speaker 9: I want to see how the Cowboys go at matchups
Speaker 9: in this game, So like, where are their weaknesses at
Speaker 9: Let's attack that, because if you look at the Bucks game,
Speaker 9: they knew that the weakest side I guess of the
Speaker 9: Cowboys defensive line was opposite of tank and they ran
Speaker 9: away from that whole side that whole time. It was
Speaker 9: running down the running down the left side to Dorance
Speaker 9: Armstrong into Anthony Barr Layton Vander USh had a hard
Speaker 9: time getting off blocks. It was in Trayvon Diggs, love them,
Speaker 9: loving the pieces, but he's gonna have to come up
Speaker 9: and make tackles. You can tell that teams are seeing
Speaker 9: on tape that he's not getting in there. And granted
Speaker 9: this is not all his fault. Guys shouldn't be getting
Speaker 9: to that level. He shouldn't be having to be dealing
Speaker 9: with the lineman or anything like that climbing on him. However,
Speaker 9: the linebackers are gonna have to play better in this game.
Speaker 11: So we're talking about time of possession too. I'm just
Speaker 11: going back looking at these stats. The Bucks had the
Speaker 11: ball for thirty two minutes and forty two seconds in
Speaker 11: this You know, the Cowboys had it twenty seven minutes
Speaker 11: in eighteen seconds.
Speaker 9: A lot of the I'm telling you that second quarter,
Speaker 9: I thought I was seeing things when I looked at
Speaker 9: that time of possession. The Cowboys defense was on the
Speaker 9: field almost the whole time.
Speaker 7: And that's the fourth quarter. They were gagged and they
Speaker 7: were fatigued. Can you blame them?
Speaker 11: They played basically that entire second half of the game,
Speaker 11: and it was noticeable. It was it was noticeable when
Speaker 11: they were fatigued. But I keep saying nineteen points. To
Speaker 11: hold the Bucks to nineteen points like they did. They
Speaker 11: even fatigued, they were still playing well enough to do that.
Speaker 10: I still on my room. Defense will be better.
Speaker 6: All right, Well, let's take a quick little break here,
Speaker 6: because when we come back, I do want to talk
Speaker 6: about you know, I know that you've been studying the
Speaker 6: tape by Yisha and we've been talking about the lack
Speaker 6: of separation. We've also been talking about the predictability of
Speaker 6: this offense. So I was able to sit down with
Speaker 6: Simmy Fioco CD Talks tomorrow because I just wanted to
Speaker 6: gather his thoughts. So I've got a little bit of
Speaker 6: a locker room interview for you. And when we talk
Speaker 6: about defense, holding this was a Bengals defense that endured
Speaker 6: five turnovers. That's going to be a tough defense to
Speaker 6: go against with a backup quarterback.
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Speaker 6: you've been looking at a lot of the tape you
Speaker 6: brought up the fact that you've noticed that they've had
Speaker 6: a really hard time, particularly in this first game, with
Speaker 6: a lack of separation. And because CD talks tomorrow, I
Speaker 6: found smy Fioco at his locker and I asked him
Speaker 6: some of these questions, and I even asked him about
Speaker 6: and Zeke for that matter, about the comments from linebacker
Speaker 6: Devin White, who said that this offense was running something
Speaker 6: so a lot of things that they saw in Week
Speaker 6: one against them, and he felt it was fairly predictable.
Speaker 6: There's been a lot of talk this week at the
Speaker 6: wide receiver room and the lack of separation.
Speaker 5: Have your thoughts on that.
Speaker 18: I don't really look into that. You know, I see
Speaker 18: the guys, we see us out of practice when we
Speaker 18: create separation, and that's part of the job, and you know,
Speaker 18: I don't I don't really put too much thought into that.
Speaker 18: I think we're great players.
Speaker 5: So what were you guys seeing on the film?
Speaker 6: Was it was the coverage directed a certain way or
Speaker 6: is there ways that you guys can get get a
Speaker 6: better sense of the game.
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, I think I think they came out
Speaker 18: and you know, obviously played a great game, but I
Speaker 18: think they gave us everything that we expected them to
Speaker 18: give us. We knew they were going to come out
Speaker 18: three DP, we knew they were going to try to
Speaker 18: you know, single covers. We knew they tried to probably
Speaker 18: bracket CD. So they gave us everything that we thought
Speaker 18: that they were going to see. So, I mean, at
Speaker 18: the end of the day, it comes down to execution.
Speaker 18: We got to come down and just make the catches,
Speaker 18: make the place.
Speaker 5: How do you guys helpe elt CD a little bit
Speaker 5: out there? Was that how do you guys helpe CD
Speaker 5: out a little bit out there?
Speaker 18: I think just being making sure that we run the
Speaker 18: right routes and getting the right place, pull the coverage
Speaker 18: when we do. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 18: you know, we're obviously this week we're dialing up a
Speaker 18: lot a lot more plays for CD. So just being
Speaker 18: able to just run our routes and be consistent.
Speaker 5: Thank you all right?
Speaker 6: So what exactly did Devin White have to say about
Speaker 6: this offense? If you haven't heard it, it sounds very
Speaker 6: similar to Vic Fangio and his blueprint comments last year.
Speaker 13: We learned that they win, they really wasn't going to
Speaker 13: commit to the run game, and you know, the runs
Speaker 13: that they did they was, you know, going to try
Speaker 13: to get outside and not run into the interior. But
Speaker 13: most of the running game was quick game. You know,
Speaker 13: a lot of curls, a lot of hitches, you know
Speaker 13: a lot of slants, and still we kind of knew
Speaker 13: that going in, so we was able to attack it.
Speaker 5: Ouch all right.
Speaker 6: So they're going up against the ninth ranked passing defense
Speaker 6: in the league this week. This is a defense that
Speaker 6: held the Steelers to thirteen points to tell that field goal,
Speaker 6: and they endured five turnovers.
Speaker 5: So I ask you, guys, can ceedy.
Speaker 6: Step up despite the efficiency on less than twenty percent
Speaker 6: of his targets. Fun fact, that's the fewest catches by
Speaker 6: a wide receiver with ten plus targets in a game
Speaker 6: since Chris Godwin. You'd have to go all the way
Speaker 6: back to four ten twenty eighteen versus New Orleans, when
Speaker 6: Chris Godwin only had one reception.
Speaker 5: I should talk on it.
Speaker 9: I feel like it's a mixture of what the receivers is,
Speaker 9: a mixture of a lot of things that went wrong
Speaker 9: in this game. Like when you look at the tape,
Speaker 9: there were a couple of times that the receivers look
Speaker 9: like personally, they look like maybe they weren't finishing their
Speaker 9: route completely, maybe they knew the ball wasn't coming to them.
Speaker 9: There were a couple of times where it looked like
Speaker 9: Dak was coming out of his drops. He expected for
Speaker 9: a guy to be there, he wasn't there, obviously there.
Speaker 9: You know, you saw the play with Noah Brown where
Speaker 9: you want him to sit in that zone and he
Speaker 9: kept going. It's just a mixture of things that you
Speaker 9: would expect from a young receiver corps. But as far
Speaker 9: as Ceedee Lamb, when we talk about accountability, definitely gotta
Speaker 9: we got to do that there, and him being a
Speaker 9: leader on this team, his body language is kind of
Speaker 9: it has to be better.
Speaker 10: He has to respond better to these moments.
Speaker 9: But on the opposite side, whoever that two receiver is
Speaker 9: is going to have to perform to take some of
Speaker 9: the stress off of CD Lamb because just like they said,
Speaker 9: they're gonna bracket, they're just I mean, it's easy. They're
Speaker 9: just going to continue to bracket over him if no
Speaker 9: one else can step up in that regard, if they're
Speaker 9: only giving them like don't Shultz over in the middle
Speaker 9: of the field. So I and this is me, I
Speaker 9: I'm very vocal about the fact that I'm a Jalen
Speaker 9: Tobert staying out here and was an active and I
Speaker 9: and this is just me personally.
Speaker 10: I understand that Dennis Houston has worked his way up here.
Speaker 9: All respect to him as an undrafted free agent, but
Speaker 9: looking at Jalen Tobert coming out of college, one of
Speaker 9: the things that stood out to me was the route
Speaker 9: running was that he could create separation.
Speaker 10: At the school he was at, he was kind of
Speaker 10: the main guy.
Speaker 9: So and the last time you saw Jalen Tobert, he
Speaker 9: was in practice and he had a fantastic practice. And
Speaker 9: so I'm going off with the last thing I saw.
Speaker 9: I don't know what they are seeing, but I see this.
Speaker 10: Guy can create separation on his own.
Speaker 9: I absolutely know that, and so it's really it was
Speaker 9: really kind of weird to me that he was inactive,
Speaker 9: and I wonder if that is something that they look
Speaker 9: into this week, because you have to start.
Speaker 10: You gotta start looking at your options.
Speaker 9: You can't you can't sit on it and be like, oh, no,
Speaker 9: we're gonna go with the same guys that didn't work
Speaker 9: last week.
Speaker 10: Let's try something different.
Speaker 12: And I think I missed something. Oh sorry, keep going.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead?
Speaker 12: Dak Nile's something as to why he was he wasn't
Speaker 12: on the field, like why was he inactive? I mean,
Speaker 12: I guess I'm confused because I feel like we've been
Speaker 12: using this logic and Grahams. I know, first rounders are
Speaker 12: way different than third rounders, but third rounders is a
Speaker 12: pretty is a pretty solid draft pick, and that's got
Speaker 12: the draft capital. So why are we not prioritizing and even.
Speaker 9: Gland Field and you want to talk about Dennis Houston
Speaker 9: and the connection that Dak has and that's maybe is
Speaker 9: the reason why he's you know, he was taken, he
Speaker 9: had prime snaps, he had some important but Jalen Tobert
Speaker 9: was in Florida with Dak like he.
Speaker 10: Worked with him all off season. They have chemistry too.
Speaker 6: Jayleen talked in the draft he picked that Dak literally
Speaker 6: gave feedback that this is one of the guys that
Speaker 6: they wanted.
Speaker 10: We kept hearing about this connection, So I'm wondering. I
Speaker 10: would like it.
Speaker 5: It's very curious.
Speaker 9: I would like to know what is going on with
Speaker 9: Jalen Tolbert that they don't feel as though he can't go.
Speaker 10: I know, the Cavante Turpin thing maybe well.
Speaker 6: And I think what they said when we sort of
Speaker 6: asked about is maybe they gave him too much too soon.
Speaker 6: But still you picked him as your third round pick
Speaker 6: and you're going with an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 9: And do you think do you guys think that maybe
Speaker 9: the fact that Michael Gallup is coming up is trying
Speaker 9: it maybe plays into why they're maybe like, maybe let's slow.
Speaker 10: Play this guy a little bit more.
Speaker 7: It shouldn't.
Speaker 5: It's a great question. And well real quick too.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess the good news is, well they
Speaker 6: won't say Michael Gallup is playing on Sunday, and I
Speaker 6: still don't have reason to believe that he is. I
Speaker 6: was told he was doing a lot more group stuff
Speaker 6: today tracking, so maybe that's a good thing. I do
Speaker 6: think it is interesting that Michael Gallup, you know who
Speaker 6: knows Cheetohs so well, was told in the locker room
Speaker 6: that Michael has been coaching up these young wide receivers
Speaker 6: because Cheeto's a good front.
Speaker 5: Of his about how to play him.
Speaker 10: That's dope.
Speaker 6: But when you're talking about predictable offenses, guy who has
Speaker 6: intimate knowledge of it, that concerns you a little bit.
Speaker 11: A little bit a lot of bit especially after last week,
Speaker 11: and you know we're talking about Jalen Tolbert. Yeah, my
Speaker 11: question is where was he? Why wasn't he on the
Speaker 11: active roster? Because again, and we can even go back
Speaker 11: to the offense really not trying anything new.
Speaker 7: What about Cavante Turpin? Why wasn't at one point?
Speaker 11: I know he's a special teams guy, we all know that,
Speaker 11: but why wasn't he at least thrown in there at
Speaker 11: some point to try to see what he had at
Speaker 11: wide receiver? Because at that point what we had was
Speaker 11: not even what the Cowboys were working with wasn't working.
Speaker 11: So what is Cavante Turpin if you if you try
Speaker 11: to throw him in there, if if that's who your
Speaker 11: final spot went to as compared to Jalen Tolbert, I mean,
Speaker 11: why not at that point?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm looking for that this week. I'm looking for that.
Speaker 9: I'm looking for what's gonna happen there this week because,
Speaker 9: like I said, all respected Dennis Houston, but Jalen Tolbert
Speaker 9: is a route runner.
Speaker 6: He is.
Speaker 9: He has a lot of things he has to refine,
Speaker 9: but come out of college, that is what I was
Speaker 9: most impressed with is the fact that he seemed like
Speaker 9: he had good field to wear in his situation, like
Speaker 9: his feet.
Speaker 10: He got the comp to Michael Gallup.
Speaker 9: A lot of people comp to Michael Gallup, so it's
Speaker 9: or Randall Cobb or like, hey, you'd.
Speaker 5: Think that he would be used in the absence of
Speaker 5: and it's Michael Gallup.
Speaker 9: Yes, And especially when you're talking about when we're talking
Speaker 9: about separation and stuff, I'm like, I saw him get
Speaker 9: in separation on Trayvon Diggs in practice. I mean Dak
Speaker 9: went to him like four times in that pro and
Speaker 9: consecutively and there was nothing anyone can do. And that
Speaker 9: was something that I also noticed. He does play different
Speaker 9: with Dak. In the preseason, he struggled, He struggled. There
Speaker 9: were a couple things that I did not like I
Speaker 9: saw from him. But I do think that the chemistry
Speaker 9: between them maybe played a role into why he's he's
Speaker 9: that comfortable with him. So I'm looking for who's gonna
Speaker 9: be what's gonna happen with that wide receiver three.
Speaker 10: Spot this week?
Speaker 9: Because you're gonna have to get guys out there that
Speaker 9: can get open on their own.
Speaker 6: They just need a wide receiver one hit. This point,
Speaker 6: I is should I mean, I think that's what. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And even as Mike McCarthy said that he essentially doesn't
Speaker 6: call out his players in the media, he and Jerry
Speaker 6: Jones sort of.
Speaker 5: Did this week.
Speaker 6: They said that this is his reality, that this is
Speaker 6: part of the challenge of being You're going to get
Speaker 6: double teamed.
Speaker 5: I mean, when you're the wide receipt.
Speaker 6: When you're when you are the number one guy, and
Speaker 6: you're going to be that guy, you've got to step up.
Speaker 6: And I just I think what's concerning to me is
Speaker 6: we saw some of this in camp.
Speaker 5: It's not like they weren't aware of this.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I guess for me, like what I keep on going
Speaker 12: back to, I just I keep saying is jokingly, but
Speaker 12: I mean it it make it makes sense because you know,
Speaker 12: this is the guy where he was. He hasn't been
Speaker 12: a number one receiver yet, and people have that hope
Speaker 12: for him. He gave him the numbers, but the number
Speaker 12: isn't going to make him be someone who he's not,
Speaker 12: or at least not yet. And I guess you know,
Speaker 12: when when he's trying to transition into that number one role,
Speaker 12: who are you giving him as a compliment to be
Speaker 12: able to not just have teams scheme against him and
Speaker 12: him only right, like eliminate CD and that's it. I
Speaker 12: guess I just feel like they're not doing a great
Speaker 12: job of setting them up for success. And we've talked
Speaker 12: a lot about like a quarterback going on the field
Speaker 12: and Tom Brady can make the players around him great.
Speaker 12: Dak Press got the expectation for him as well, especially
Speaker 12: now that he's been paid. But now that he's not
Speaker 12: on the field and you have a guy like Cooper Rush,
Speaker 12: it's kind of the tables turn a little bit. And
Speaker 12: now it's almost on the couple literary players to try
Speaker 12: to make your quarterback great because you know, he's obviously
Speaker 12: not a starter. And I just don't know this team
Speaker 12: has the tenure to be able to do that quite yet.
Speaker 17: Well.
Speaker 6: I mean it's like when you had does here, at
Speaker 6: least you had Bryce Butler, you had Cole Beasley, you
Speaker 6: had these other complimentary options.
Speaker 5: I just I'm not seeing that right now.
Speaker 10: It has to be, and we talked about it has
Speaker 10: to be. They're gonna have to earn it.
Speaker 11: I gonna have a little furious to refresh my mind
Speaker 11: of what Jalen Tolbert was doing out in Oxnard. Every
Speaker 11: video you scroll, you searched Jalen tolver On on Twitter
Speaker 11: touchdown in the end zone six for Jaalen Tolvert burning
Speaker 11: the defense.
Speaker 7: I mean, everything you're doing.
Speaker 5: To piss off, he showed.
Speaker 10: And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: I wonder if it's I wonder if it's more just
Speaker 9: all of the information they gave him, because I remember
Speaker 9: they said that earlier. They were like, he's getting all
Speaker 9: this information and he's taking it in well, Like he's
Speaker 9: taking it in well. And then he had the he
Speaker 9: had a little bit of an injury that kept him
Speaker 9: out for a little bit, and then I think once
Speaker 9: he came back, it was him getting back in the
Speaker 9: groove of things. But like I said, last thing I
Speaker 9: saw from him, he looked good. And so I have
Speaker 9: some questions about why he wasn't on the field, And
Speaker 9: I do want to talk. I do want to talk
Speaker 9: about what the what the Bengals do well defensively and
Speaker 9: how maybe we can replicate that.
Speaker 6: Well let's uh, let's go ahead and get to a break,
Speaker 6: because we get back. I do want to talk about, Uh, obviously,
Speaker 6: two players you have to be concerned about as we
Speaker 6: look towards Sunday, and that is, of course jimor Chase,
Speaker 6: who has met up with Trayvon Diggs. Once we'll explain
Speaker 6: how that went. And then Joe Burrow how important Micah
Speaker 6: Parsons is going to be and keeping him off kilter
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Speaker 6: All right, let's talk shutting down Jamar Chase. Fun fact,
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase and Trayvon Digs have faced off only once,
Speaker 6: and that was in.
Speaker 5: Their college football career. You'd have to go all the
Speaker 5: way back to November.
Speaker 6: Night, twenty nineteen when Elis You defeated Alabama forty six
Speaker 6: to forty one.
Speaker 5: Hell of a game.
Speaker 6: Chase caught a thirty three yard touchdown with Digs and coverage.
Speaker 6: That was the only touchdown allowed by Digs in coverage.
Speaker 5: His entire year.
Speaker 6: Now, against Pittsburgh last week, Chase had zero deep targets.
Speaker 5: That's twenty plus air yards.
Speaker 6: In Week one, he was third in the NFL with
Speaker 6: five hundred and thirty seven deep receiving yards to rookie
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one. Keep in mind that the Cowboys
Speaker 6: defense has eight interceptions on deep passes. Since twenty twenty
Speaker 6: one tight for the most with Buffalo. So this is
Speaker 6: when you need Digs to step up. Like I said,
Speaker 6: we got to breeze through this segment.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 6: Your confidence level in Trayvon Diggs versus Jamar Chase ayesha
Speaker 6: after what we saw from Dig last week.
Speaker 9: So I thought he was I thought he was pretty
Speaker 9: good in coverage. He did give up that insane with
Speaker 9: saying Julio Jones grabbed that. Of course it has to
Speaker 9: be vented Julio on Friday. Yeah, But other than that,
Speaker 9: I felt like he prayed. He played pretty well in coverage.
Speaker 9: This matchup is going to be fantastic because I think
Speaker 9: that Jamar Chase is not he's he's he has speed, absolutely,
Speaker 9: but he still looked kind of a bigger receiver. And
Speaker 9: those are the guys that Trayvon Diggs likes to battle with.
Speaker 9: He's talked about it in his interviews. He likes being physical.
Speaker 9: Is big on big I guess to him. So definitely
Speaker 9: interested in the matchup. I you're the D line's gonna
Speaker 9: have to get pressure. The D line's gonna have to
Speaker 9: get pressure you. They're gonna have to take advantage of
Speaker 9: the left tackle. Right tackle for the for the Bengals.
Speaker 9: So that's what I want to see. The DTS in
Speaker 9: the Bucks game. For the Cowboys, I didn't think played
Speaker 9: super duper duper do well. So I want to see
Speaker 9: them play well.
Speaker 10: Get you know, get some pressure up the middle because Joe,
Speaker 10: Joe Burrow will fumble the ball and it looks like
Speaker 10: he will throw it away. He's he's terrified back there,
Speaker 10: and let's go ahead and exploit that so our guys
Speaker 10: can get some turnovers.
Speaker 6: Jess, you listen to a little bit of the Bucks
Speaker 6: sound this week. What was your impression of Joe Burrow
Speaker 6: heading into this game his confidence level.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so I was listening to kind of what Zach
Speaker 11: Taylor head coach Zach Taylor was saying, uh, after, you know,
Speaker 11: after the game. But it's okay, Jane, we got you.
Speaker 11: But hey, you know what, it was interesting to hear
Speaker 11: the accountability on his end for you know, the mistakes
Speaker 11: he made as a coach. It was just very different
Speaker 11: feel within that press conference and something that he had mentioned, Uh,
Speaker 11: they you know, they're obviously going back in last week's game,
Speaker 11: and this is similar to what we're doing talking about
Speaker 11: you know, last week's game, but he was asked.
Speaker 7: About the Cowboys Jazzy, do we have that sound? If not,
Speaker 7: that's totally okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have time for it, especially well, you know,
Speaker 5: moved through this.
Speaker 11: Basically, he basically says that the defense is something to
Speaker 11: keep an eye on, and that to me tells me
Speaker 11: they're honing in on that and that there's some monsters
Speaker 11: on the defense.
Speaker 7: So if anything, Yeah, Joey.
Speaker 11: Be better watch it because, uh, he's the perfect person
Speaker 11: I think for the defense to exploit and get their
Speaker 11: confidence back up.
Speaker 12: Kelse yep, I mean, I'm with you, guys. I think
Speaker 12: Trevon Diggs he's going to be the guy that matches
Speaker 12: up with the number one on the other side. So
Speaker 12: you're going to enactle Be just giving up some plays Occasionally,
Speaker 12: it's going to happen. He plays aggressively, but at the
Speaker 12: end of the day, I'll take it. I think he
Speaker 12: has a good chance to set him down. It's going
Speaker 12: to be a good challenge from all around, all.
Speaker 6: Right, go to the leaky left side, Micah. The left
Speaker 6: side the Bengals offensive line struggled in Week one. Left
Speaker 6: tackle Jonah Williams and their rookie left guard Cordo Volson,
Speaker 6: tying for the Leak's third most pressures allowed, and it
Speaker 6: was Parsons. You spent thirty two percent of his game
Speaker 6: against the Bucks on that left side. All right, real quick,
Speaker 6: we're gonna cut to a break and then we come
Speaker 6: back one of my favorite segments the past.
Speaker 5: Oh you don't need to do another break. That's amazing. Jazz.
Speaker 5: That just makes my life a lot easier. Jazz chiming
Speaker 5: in here. Quick past interference for us.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the past interference. Let's see, let me go back
Speaker 11: to my notes. I thought I'm scrambling over here, but
Speaker 11: you know, it's something I did want to mention. Was
Speaker 11: the first time and the last time that these teams
Speaker 11: had played. The last time that they played was back
Speaker 11: in twenty twenty. They did win that game. So I'm
Speaker 11: trying to be a little bit more optimistic here in saying,
Speaker 11: you know, maybe something.
Speaker 7: Keep in mind, the Cowboys did win that game. Let's see,
Speaker 7: I'm trying to pull it up real quick.
Speaker 5: We'll just go ahead and get over to tweets of
Speaker 5: the day for you.
Speaker 10: Okay, cool.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So my tweet is from the foots of the
Speaker 9: King on Twitter. He said, if you want to beat Sency,
Speaker 9: you better tackle jmar chas space tacklers just fall off
Speaker 9: of him. You heard Dan Quinn talk about how the
Speaker 9: Cowboys tackled and how they played in space. It sounds
Speaker 9: like he wants them to make some improvements there. So
Speaker 9: that's something I'm looking for in this game. The Cowboys
Speaker 9: don't have their tackling team, so I was a little
Speaker 9: disappointed in how the lack of rally to the ball.
Speaker 9: So let's see how they tackled this game, because they're
Speaker 9: gonna have to. These guys have yackability. How about just
Speaker 9: this troll thing that I saw on Instagram? Guys, Oh,
Speaker 9: you'll find this entertaining. I mean, this week has just
Speaker 9: been just gold. The Dallas Cowboys the gen x of
Speaker 9: the NFL.
Speaker 6: They haven't completely fallen apart yet, but the only good
Speaker 6: time in their lives are the mid nineties.
Speaker 7: It's O my heart.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 6: Well, I appreciated all the insights in this show, and
Speaker 6: you guys letting me take a break. I'm also off tomorrow,
Speaker 6: said Kelsey. Charles will be back in the hosting seat,
Speaker 6: but we will break down a little bit more about
Speaker 6: the importance of Parsons against Joe Burrow because I do
Speaker 6: think he's going to be another key this week to
Speaker 6: shutting them down. And I think they showed us against
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh that they can be beat, but can they do
Speaker 6: it with Cooper Rush.
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