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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>I and Mike Spoffor, joined as always by my partner

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<v Speaker 2>in crime, Wes Hodquitz. Happy New Year to everybody. We

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<v Speaker 2>are coming to you hear from our studios at lambeau

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<v Speaker 2>Field and Wes. The Packers will be taking on the

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago Bears in the week eighteen regular season finale on

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday at lambeau Field. We'll kind of get to more

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<v Speaker 2>of the specifics on the Bears in a minute, but

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<v Speaker 2>the big story from Wednesday here at twelve sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>Lombardi Avenue was that there's kind of finally kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been an answer on the JayR Alexander knee injury situation.

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<v Speaker 2>He had to go in for another procedure. Sounded like

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a scope cleanup type of thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>his situation with his knee is he is most likely

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<v Speaker 2>out for the rest of the season now. The Packers

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<v Speaker 2>not going to have him practice. He won't be trying

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<v Speaker 2>to come back at this point to play in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's disappointing, certainly because I think all

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<v Speaker 2>of us were hoping somewhere along the line that jay

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<v Speaker 2>R Alexander, the Packers' best cornerback, would be back on

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<v Speaker 2>the field at some point, but it's a reality that

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<v Speaker 2>the team has been dealing with with him not playing

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<v Speaker 2>for quite a while. So now it's moving forward with

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<v Speaker 2>the guys you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is for sure, Mike. And as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's not just that Gerry Alexander's their best cornerback.

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of their best players when he's healthy and

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<v Speaker 1>he's right. We saw it in twenty twenty two he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to finally come back from that shoulder injury.

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<v Speaker 1>Plays at all pro level. But the last two season,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was the back, the shoulder, or now the knee,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just been this never ending chorus. It feels like

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<v Speaker 1>an ailment set have kind of plagued him and it

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<v Speaker 1>has caused the Packers to really have to shift gears. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for you Green Bay and where they're

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<v Speaker 1>at right now and how they got to try to

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<v Speaker 1>figure this thing out. But at the same time, as

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<v Speaker 1>Carrington Valentine said in the locker room, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>guys had talked about, I mean that they've been through this,

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<v Speaker 1>they know what's going to be required of them. They

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<v Speaker 1>know the domino effect that is going to come from that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the bigger thing now for Green Bay is

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out exactly what happens with the safety room, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's such a domino effect with these safeties that also

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<v Speaker 1>affect what happens at cornerback. Javon Bullard right now still

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<v Speaker 1>limited with the with the ankle, but he's the one

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<v Speaker 1>healthy guy quote unquote next to Xavier McKinney. You still

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<v Speaker 1>don't have Evan Williams out with the quadrcept injury. Then

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<v Speaker 1>obviously Zane Anderson gets the concussion on Sunday. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>been so many different things that when we always talk

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<v Speaker 1>about offensive line play, right, you like to have your

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<v Speaker 1>best starting five, you like to have them playing together.

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<v Speaker 1>The secondary hasn't really been able to do that for

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<v Speaker 1>one reason or another in the domino effect of moving

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<v Speaker 1>around Keshawn Nixon or Bullard or having to go in

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<v Speaker 1>and out with Valentine and also Eric Stokes. Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>knows what the challenges and dangers that lie ahead against

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other NFC teams are with their offensive

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<v Speaker 1>passing games, and these guys are gonna have to be

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<v Speaker 1>up for that challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they absolutely are. And here's what I hope. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you hope that everybody can be healthy and available, but

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<v Speaker 2>looking ahead to next week when the playoffs start and

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<v Speaker 2>when everything is on the line, this is what I

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<v Speaker 2>hope for the Packers in the secondary that whatever group

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<v Speaker 2>can practice next week Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, you hope

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<v Speaker 2>that that is the group that can play the entire

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<v Speaker 2>game in the playoff game. Because what we've seen when

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<v Speaker 2>this Packer secondary has shown itself to be the most

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable is when guys have gone down during a game

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<v Speaker 2>and then the musical chairs start and you have guys

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<v Speaker 2>having to shift around and play different positions, and Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Hafley is still trying to make all the calls and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's got guys in spots where they weren't practicing

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<v Speaker 2>during the week. Because you have your plan, you practice

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<v Speaker 2>that plan. It's not that they don't know these other

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<v Speaker 2>positions because obviously they can play them during the game.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a big difference between knowing what to do

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<v Speaker 2>and practicing the actual game plan at those spots. And

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<v Speaker 2>we saw the game at Detroit. Evan Williams went down

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<v Speaker 2>early in the game, Javon Bullard went down late in

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<v Speaker 2>the game, and there was this constant shuffling around as

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<v Speaker 2>far as figuring things out in the back end, and

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<v Speaker 2>it made it really tough on the defense. Last week,

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers defensively in the first quarter were pretty darn good,

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<v Speaker 2>but then Zane Anderson goes down. The domino effects starts.

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<v Speaker 2>Javon Bullard, who had just come back from a two

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<v Speaker 2>week absence, wasn't one hundred percent, hadn't been practicing full

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<v Speaker 2>and let alone practicing the position he was then forced

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<v Speaker 2>to play when Anderson went down. So my hope for

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<v Speaker 2>this Packer's secondary that has to move on without jyr

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander for the rest of the way here is that

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<v Speaker 2>whoever's practicing next week Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, hopefully they

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<v Speaker 2>can play together for the entire game in the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>because then I think that gives the Packers their best

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<v Speaker 2>chance to win.

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<v Speaker 1>And I give a lot of, you know, kudos in

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<v Speaker 1>respect to what Jevon Bullard has done this season, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's absolutely he've been putting some tough spots. Yes, because

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<v Speaker 1>he starts the year as the starting safety next to

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier McKinney. They start the adjustment where he moves down

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<v Speaker 1>into the slot because one, they need a Kishawn Nixon outside,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also got Evan Williams on the field, and

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<v Speaker 1>Evan Williams kind of proved himself along with Bullard as

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<v Speaker 1>being one of their top eleven guys. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of years, Mike where the Packers wanted to Len

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<v Speaker 1>blessed to have a Xavier McKinney on their roster. Very

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<v Speaker 1>possibly you could have had two rookies starting back there

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<v Speaker 1>on this absolutely with how with how Green Bay had

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<v Speaker 1>to approach this thing, so you know, Bullard has had

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of pinball back and forth, I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fans can say whatever they want. I know

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<v Speaker 1>at some point I think they were bickering at him

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<v Speaker 1>to the point that Kishan just shut down his Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>But Kishawn Nixon, I think has had an extraordinary season

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<v Speaker 1>for what has been asked of him. He's still a

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<v Speaker 1>top notch kickoff returner, which is one of the big reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting the contract last year. But he's taken

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<v Speaker 1>his game to another level as a cornerback. Last year,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the nickel in this year, as he's told

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<v Speaker 1>this countless times now, he's been a perimeter cornerback. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a perimeter cornerback with the Raiders, but he just

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't had the reps. Yeah, game and now back to

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<v Speaker 1>back seasons now, I think over eight hundred defensive snaps

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<v Speaker 1>each of those seasons. The Packers desperately needed a guy

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<v Speaker 1>like that that not only can step up in the

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<v Speaker 1>face of injuries, but also allow Jeff Hafley to move

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<v Speaker 1>around those pieces whether he's inside or outside.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you one hundred percent on Keishawn Nixon.

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<v Speaker 2>I put in one of the headlines of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the columns Insider Inbox Columns that I wrote last week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Keishawn Nixon has had a vastly underrated season

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of what he has contributed with bouncing back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth between the between boundary corner slot corner, proving

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<v Speaker 2>for a number of games that he that he can

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<v Speaker 2>be this team's number one corner when asked to be

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<v Speaker 2>when Jay R Alexander is not available. And yes, you

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<v Speaker 2>play cornerback in the NFL, guess what you're gonna get beat.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna give up completions. You might get flagged for

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<v Speaker 2>DPI once in a while. It's part of the life

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<v Speaker 2>of an NFL cornerback, right, But what Kishaw Nixon, What

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<v Speaker 2>Keishaw Nixon has done. I agree with you one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent that he that he has taken his game to

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<v Speaker 2>another level. And I think Kishaw Nixon is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest reason the Packers' secondary has been able to withstand

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<v Speaker 2>so many games without Jay or Alexander and and things

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<v Speaker 2>haven't just completely fallen Apart as frustrating as things were

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<v Speaker 2>in the back end against Sam Darnold, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>remember this defense also just shut out the New Orleans

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<v Speaker 2>Saints on Monday Night, you know, a little over a

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<v Speaker 2>week ago, so we've seen what this defense can do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think Nixon has been and will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be a big part of it. And and I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you bringing him up because because he deserves he

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<v Speaker 2>deserves more recognition than he has gotten to this point

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<v Speaker 2>in the season.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot about Tremon Williams too. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there a lot of years Tremont Williams is a future

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<v Speaker 1>Packers Hall of Famer, did get to a Pro Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>during his career, but there were a lot of years

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<v Speaker 1>where Tremon wasn't even considered Like the QB or the

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<v Speaker 1>CB one. Yeah, there are a lot of years where

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know, obviously you go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Woodson days and then and then Al Harris, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you have a guy like Casey Hayward come in

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<v Speaker 1>as a rookie and have six interception. Sam Shields is

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<v Speaker 1>a top corner. But what was the thing about Tremon

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<v Speaker 1>that made him so special was he was always available,

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<v Speaker 1>He was always out there, and he did it at

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<v Speaker 1>a high level. And there's something about that where with

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<v Speaker 1>Keishawn Nixon, former undrafted free agent as well, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, he had some injuries coming out of college,

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<v Speaker 1>he had some stuff going on, wasn't able to probably

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<v Speaker 1>show the speed that he really truly has that speed

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought was evident when he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>recover on that pass to Jordan Addison that he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to break up in the end zone. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to navigate a season. And again, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see how far the Packers can run this thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're in the position there are today

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<v Speaker 1>without Kishan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I totally agree with you there. Well, turning the

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<v Speaker 2>page to the Bears, Chicago is coming into lambeau Field

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday. I remember Wes, you and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have those conversations at the end of our shows

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<v Speaker 2>about other results from around the league. And when Washington

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<v Speaker 2>beat Chicago on the Hail Mary, I remember both of

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<v Speaker 2>us sitting here talking like, well, let's you know, Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>was four and two, they were one play away from

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<v Speaker 2>getting to five and two and really riding high with

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<v Speaker 2>their rookie quarterback Caleb Williams and everything he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And we sat here and said, well, let's see how

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<v Speaker 2>the Bears respond to an absolutely devastating loss. The season

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<v Speaker 2>went completely off the rails after the Hail Mary. The

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<v Speaker 2>Bears have not won a game since. They have lost

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<v Speaker 2>ten straight. Now, obviously the head coach has been the

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<v Speaker 2>head coach was replaced along the way, and the Bears

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<v Speaker 2>are obviously going to be into a full fledged coaching

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<v Speaker 2>search in the offseason. And on the flip side of

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<v Speaker 2>the streak things, Matt Lafleur is eleven and zero against

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<v Speaker 2>the Chicago Bears, trying to go twelve and oh has

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<v Speaker 2>not lost to Chicago since taking over as the head

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<v Speaker 2>coach of the Packers. So I'm just gonna throw this

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna throw this at you right away. What are

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<v Speaker 2>the keys to victory for the Packers to give the

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<v Speaker 2>Bears their eleventh straight loss and to win their twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>consecutive game in this rivalry. Sorry, I threw it at you, fense.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I'm no. There's a lot that goes

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<v Speaker 1>into this answer. It's not ay, I can't come up

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<v Speaker 1>with one. It's the because you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>flippant about this right because the Bears, as Matt Lafleur said,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears are in NFL team, they're hungry. If you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the film, they're still hungry. But it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>good football team. It just isn't. And there's no other

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<v Speaker 1>way you can slice it. I feel like at times

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<v Speaker 1>their defenses formed. Caleb Williams has done an extraordinary job

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<v Speaker 1>protecting the football this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But the change off and the trade off to that,

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<v Speaker 1>as he's been sacked sixty seven times. They got all

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<v Speaker 1>these receivers, they've gotten them opportunities, but not necessarily explosives.

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<v Speaker 1>I think DeAndre Swift I was really high on that

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this season. I'm not as high on it now.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think he's quite had the season. He

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<v Speaker 1>probably wanted it that the Bears wanted. So when you

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<v Speaker 1>asked me what the key to victory this is, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes back to Caleb Williams. Because I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>you need to turn it over because he may protect it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't allow him to get into the rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>that he got into in that first game at Soldier

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<v Speaker 1>Field because he was feeling it. And when a guy

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<v Speaker 1>like that, that's that talented and feels that much comfort

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<v Speaker 1>within the pocket, within his arm and being able to

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<v Speaker 1>make those throws, he's going to make plays. The Packers

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<v Speaker 1>can't allow that to happen this game. Yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 1>there's the continuum, the contingencies out there about whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth seed or the seventh seed. Packers will welcome

0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.080
<v Speaker 1>in anybody they have to face. Obviously the road would

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<v Speaker 1>be easier if they're the six But that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not why Green Bay needs to win this game.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to win this game because they need to

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<v Speaker 1>have that feeling of Okay, we need to get back

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<v Speaker 1>to where we were at mentally after the Saints game,

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<v Speaker 1>right where we can be dominant, we can impose our

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<v Speaker 1>will on teams. And we can be able to extract

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<v Speaker 1>whatever we need to extract from an opponent that has

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<v Speaker 1>lost ten in a row. You don't want to give

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<v Speaker 1>them that victory. And as I also mentioned our Insider

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<v Speaker 1>Inbox Calumn this week, hal Packers handled things in twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened at the end of the twenty two season,

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<v Speaker 1>You can't tell me that that wasn't the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>started to light the fire with the Lions. They ended

0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.960
<v Speaker 1>both of those seasons feeling good about themselves. I see

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<v Speaker 1>no reason to give Chicago any semblance, any room for hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't. You definitely don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>When I look at the Bears, they what they've done.

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<v Speaker 2>You see glimpses of what the Bears are capable of

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<v Speaker 2>the second half on Thanksgiving against the Lions, right where

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<v Speaker 2>they almost pulled it off, and then that ended up

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<v Speaker 2>being the game that got Matt Eberflus dismissed because they

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<v Speaker 2>botched the clock management at the end of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll look even last Thursday night against the Seattle Seahawks,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bears defense showed up and played they were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they they took They took a Seattle off as the

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<v Speaker 2>Seattle Seahawks had a ton to play for in that game,

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<v Speaker 2>and they couldn't move the football. They couldn't score points

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<v Speaker 2>against the Bears in Chicago last Thursday night. There So

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<v Speaker 2>there there are times that either side of the ball

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<v Speaker 2>for Chicago can you know, can show shows what it's

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<v Speaker 2>capable of and and can give you problems. But when

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<v Speaker 2>I look back at the first game Chicago and Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay at Soldier Field, I think one of the biggest

0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.520
<v Speaker 2>reasons the Bears stayed in that game is because they

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<v Speaker 2>surprised the Packers with Caleb Williams and the running ability, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the way he scrambled around and the way he also

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<v Speaker 2>ran design runs, the zone read stuff. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that got the Packers on their heels a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And that element to Chicago's offense in that game was

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge factor in the Bears putting themselves in

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<v Speaker 2>a position to win it at the end with the

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<v Speaker 2>field goal that Green Bay blocked. I think you you

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<v Speaker 2>just you, you bottle up Caleb Williams in whatever way

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<v Speaker 2>is necessary, and you don't let them, you don't let

0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.160
<v Speaker 2>it run around, you know, and and and those off

0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.840
<v Speaker 2>schedule type of players are the design quarterback runs if

0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the Packers shut those down, I think I think Green

0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Bay's defense will will be just fine against uh against

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb Williams on Sunday. On the offensive side of things,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, just stay balanced, no need to get crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, uh, I think Green Bay this is a

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<v Speaker 2>game where I expect the Packers to really get their

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<v Speaker 2>mojo back on offense. I you know, I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>how things are going to play out in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>certain guys on the injury report who may or may

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<v Speaker 2>not play. You know, I don't know. I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>want to get into all that. I think, uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is a game where you you re establish clean,

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<v Speaker 2>solid execution on the offensive side of the ball that

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<v Speaker 2>you try to take into the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see what KILLB Joes's longest pass of the

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<v Speaker 1>season was. Have you looked at that at all? No,

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven yards? They have a couple in the forties,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, nothing more than forty seven yards, which is

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<v Speaker 1>which is interesting, all right, because you look at a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of squads, there's there's that one seventy yard right

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<v Speaker 1>off the bat score, those sort of things. They've really

0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.040
<v Speaker 1>struggled with the explosives DeAndre Swift has a fifty six

0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:27.800
<v Speaker 1>yard rushing touchdown, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He had the forty yard or against against in Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>against the Pack.

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<v Speaker 1>Against Green Bay, which may be probably one of the

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<v Speaker 1>longer runs that Green Bay's given up all season. I

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<v Speaker 1>might be the long it might be the longest. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I just think that Keileb Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>he is their best player, and he's a young player

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got a lot ahead of him. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be a headache for the NFC North

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<v Speaker 1>for years to come. I think this has been a

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<v Speaker 1>really challenging year. Yeah, I feel like, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing him talk this week when he was asked about

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<v Speaker 1>what you want from the next head coach and what

0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.640
<v Speaker 1>you want from you know, he talked to what he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be coached, He wants to be challenged, and

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways, I just feel like this year kind

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<v Speaker 1>of felt like a continuation of his time at USC.

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<v Speaker 1>Not say Dian developed there, he certainly did, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just I just look at Caleb Williams and everything he offers,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a reason why he was the top

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback over Daniels and over all these other you know,

0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Bo Nicks and these young guys penics that have been

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<v Speaker 1>out there and he just it just feels like it's

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<v Speaker 1>been kind of stuck in neutral for them. Now Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay needs to make sure for at least one more

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<v Speaker 1>day that's still the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we'll see where things go in the future

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<v Speaker 2>with the Bears. It feels it feels to me, now

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<v Speaker 2>this is just me talking. When they drafted Justin Fields,

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like the Bears had a decent offensive line

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<v Speaker 2>in front of Justin Yields, but then he didn't have

0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.880
<v Speaker 2>any didn't have any game breaking type of weapons to

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<v Speaker 2>get the ball to. So then as they were trying

0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to evolve things, and now they've made the transition to

0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Caleb Williams, they focused on getting offensive weapons, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have. They signed Dj Moore to a long term,

0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, lucrative contract. They drafted Roma Dunze in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the first round. You add DeAndre Swift to the backfield,

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<v Speaker 2>all these things, but then the offensive line kind of

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<v Speaker 2>falls apart, and so Caleb Williams is constantly under pressure

0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's getting sacked a ton and all this and

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<v Speaker 2>so on on. You know that kind of the whole

0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:25.240
<v Speaker 2>group just hasn't really been put together offensively for the Bears,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what they're going to look to do moving

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<v Speaker 2>forward with Williams and whoever the next head coaches and.

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<v Speaker 1>Styles make fights. I mean, that's why maybe Chicago pushed

0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.119
<v Speaker 1>them as much as they did, because Green Bay was

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<v Speaker 1>really struggling with their pass rush earlier this season and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been sort of the Spickett that's gone on and

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<v Speaker 1>off for them throughout the course of the air. Obviously

0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.639
<v Speaker 1>wasn't good enough last week in Minnesota. So pressure is

0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.840
<v Speaker 1>going to be a paramount, you know, and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find ways to not only be smart about how you

0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.440
<v Speaker 1>approach him, but also making sure that he just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get into a rhythm offensively.

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<v Speaker 2>that they can get either the six seed or the

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<v Speaker 2>seven seed. If the Packers win and Washington loses, the

0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Packers will get the six. If Washington wins, or if

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers lose, green Bay will be the seven. If

0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.160
<v Speaker 2>green Bay is the seven, the Packers know they would

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.359
<v Speaker 2>be going to Philadelphia because Philadelphia is locked into the

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<v Speaker 2>two seed. If the Packers get the six, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of playing either the Los Angeles Rams or the

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Packers know that would be on

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<v Speaker 2>the road, of course as a wild card team. I'm curious,

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<v Speaker 2>did you see and maybe correct me if I'm wrong

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<v Speaker 2>if I didn't see this right? But did I see

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<v Speaker 2>that the Rams are not playing Matthew Stafford next week?

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<v Speaker 1>See?

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<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Garoppolo is starting.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Garoppolo is going to start for the Rams. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting to me because the Rams are, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fighting with essentially the Buccaneers if the Buccaneers were to win,

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<v Speaker 2>fighting with the Buccaneers for the three versus the four seed,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and maybe there's an injury issue with

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew Stafford that they need to you know that they

0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.680
<v Speaker 2>want him to rest up and get healthy. But if

0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the Rams follow the four seed, you're getting the loser

0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.920
<v Speaker 2>of the Lions Vikings game. You're getting a fourteen win

0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.760
<v Speaker 2>team in the first round of the playoffs, which you

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.520
<v Speaker 2>can avoid that if you make sure you get the

0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.880
<v Speaker 2>three seeds. So I was just very curious to hear

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<v Speaker 2>that Matthew Stafford's not going to play when the different

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know it's the playoffs. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>beat everybody regardless, I get that, but you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a fourteen win team if you're the four seed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. The tough part though about this, Michael, I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you one hundred percent just for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>but and I'm not saying there is a big difference there.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously look at the wins and losses. But you're either

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.159
<v Speaker 1>fac in Minnesota with Washington or Green Bay. Like no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what, if you look at you know Sean mcvay's

0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.159
<v Speaker 1>track record against Green Bay, he's really struggled against the

0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Packers during the Matt Lafleour era. They lost again this

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<v Speaker 1>season I understand they were really hurting.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, yeah, they were really banged up that game.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think this is good. People are going to

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<v Speaker 1>take this a lot of different ways when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at how banged up the Rams were at various intervals

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<v Speaker 1>of the season. In the fact that I think there

0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 1>was a stat now that I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>it wrong, but basically the Rams are one of very

0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.359
<v Speaker 1>few teams that have come back from one to four

0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 1>records to win a division make a playoff, and they've

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.720
<v Speaker 1>done it twice. Now underneath McVeigh, this has happened twice

0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.080
<v Speaker 1>in his tenure where they've gotten off to these slow starts,

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<v Speaker 1>So I almost understand it now. Again. Matt Lafleur made

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<v Speaker 1>such a brilliant point on Wednesday when he said the

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, Basically, the only thing that can happen

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<v Speaker 1>the decision you make. It is what it is like,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're right or wrong. You have to make the

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<v Speaker 1>best decision you feel like for your football team, and

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<v Speaker 1>the results will tell you whether or not it was correct.

0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:19.399
<v Speaker 1>In terms of the public narrative, everybody else has the

0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:24.240
<v Speaker 1>benefit of twenty twenty hindsight, right, These coaches have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out Okay, what is in the best interest of

0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 1>my football team. I'm gonna stick with that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll let the results be what they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could remember the exactly Floirqule because it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty well said the way you put it. But

0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 1>long story short, if this is the route that Sean

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.760
<v Speaker 1>McVay feels like they got to go with the Rams

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<v Speaker 1>to be as healthy as possible going to the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>let it lie, because I mean, if there's a team

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<v Speaker 1>that has been playing with house money more than any

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.720
<v Speaker 1>other squad in the NFC over the last month and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, it's la Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess I was caught off guard by it

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<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't aware of something injury wise with Matthew Stafford.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I was just ignorant that or whatever, I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And so if there is some kind of an injury

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 2>and they're resting him for that reason like that, I

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 2>get it, you know, clearly. But it just when I

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.960
<v Speaker 2>first saw the news that Stafford wasn't gonna play, I

0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 2>was caught off guard because there is a you know,

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 2>there is a difference in the seating that that the

0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Rams are playing for.

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 1>And then you're gonna be going up against the Seattle

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.120
<v Speaker 1>team that I think still wants to get to ten

0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 1>wins and prove that we should have been in this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation for the post. Ye so yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple other questions I want to throw at you. One,

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<v Speaker 2>who do you think gets the last spot in the AFC.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to say the Cincinnati I would every

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody want. I think everybody wants to see

0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow with the way he's playing. They want to

0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:46.520
<v Speaker 1>see Joe Burrow get into the playoffs. But Denver is

0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the one in control.

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're gonna be playing a Kansas City team that

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 2>has nothing to play for and they're basically resting, resting

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.159
<v Speaker 2>the vast majority of their guys.

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.120
<v Speaker 1>But the big guys obviously, I think I saw something.

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the Denver Broncos are like double digit favorites

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.880
<v Speaker 1>in this yeah so approach of Kansas City.

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 2>So if Denver wins, they get it. If the Broncos

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.920
<v Speaker 2>don't beat the Chiefs or you know, the Chiefs JV

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.959
<v Speaker 2>or what you call it, Carson Wentz chief the Carson

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Wentz Chiefs, then then Miami is the next team that

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 2>can take that playoff spot. But now I hear Tua

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 2>is on the injury report and his status for this

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 2>game is not certain.

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Got the hip, Yeah, he's.

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Got a hip issue. So then if Miami were not

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 2>to get it, then it would fall to Joe Burrow

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and the Bengals. If the Bengals can win their last game,

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.920
<v Speaker 2>which is they play on Saturday. So then if they win,

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 2>then they sit and scoreboard watch on Sunday to see

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>if maybe it falls their way to get that final

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 2>playoff spot in the apses.

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 1>And there is a Pittsburgh Steelers team that desperately needs

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to win that game too. When we're just talking about

0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 1>momentum entering the postseason, Pittsburgh cannot go into the postseason

0:23:59.000 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>on this kind of slide.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they had, I mean yeah, if Pittsburgh loses this game,

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:06.359
<v Speaker 2>would it be four losses? Yeah, I mean yeah, I'm

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 2>sure it's happened before. But I mean these are all

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 2>pretty It's pretty rare for a team to enter the

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>postseason on a four game losing streak.

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Philly, Baltimore, and Kansas City, I mean those are nine.

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>The back end of their schedule was absolutely brutal.

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.919
<v Speaker 1>The problem is they just weren't over the competitive in.

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Those games, right, So they didn't they didn't really make

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.640
<v Speaker 2>a strong run at winning any of those contests. All right, Well,

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:30.360
<v Speaker 2>last one I'll throw at you Lions and the Vikings

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>yep for the NFC North Crown the number one seed

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 2>in the NFC in the first round. By the loser

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 2>drops to the five seed and has to go on

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the road as a wild card team. Lions are at home.

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.919
<v Speaker 2>Both teams obviously, you know, playing pretty darn well. What

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>are your what are your thoughts on how that went unfold?

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Vikings? I have the Vikings winning this, okay. I and

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not just trying to be a hater with the Lions,

0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 1>but I think the Lions, I mean credit to then

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:02.679
<v Speaker 1>that second half they pulled it together against San Francisco.

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I am very nervous for them with that defense, right yeah,

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>And this is this is a big test, win or lose.

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>This is a big test for that defense to see

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>how they're gonna match up with all those weapons that

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Minnesota has. Yep. And obviously TJ. Atkinson is back now

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, you have to imagine this is going

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to kind of be a re revenge game for him

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>on so many levels, going back up against the Lions

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and Kirby Joseph. I just think efficient efficiency wise, I

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know if there's anyone in the National Football League

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 1>doing it better than Minnesota through all their phases of

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.639
<v Speaker 1>the game. I just I was so impressed by how

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 1>they performed. Now again, they have to go out and

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.919
<v Speaker 1>do it on the road. But Kevin O'Connell's message was

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 1>terrific as well this week, saying, I mean they're they

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>understand around the road, but they're not going to be uncomfortable.

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.159
<v Speaker 1>They're going to go and play their style football. I

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>think Sam Donald, if I saw that right, we could

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Pro Bowl guys in a second. I

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>think Sam Darnold was. Was he selected as a starter

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.719
<v Speaker 1>for the Pro Bowl? I actually didn't. I think he was.

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<v Speaker 1>We start talking again, I'll confirm it, okay, But I

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 1>mean Sam Darnold's playing an extremely high level. We saw

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the plethora of weapons they have. I mean, for as

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 1>much as we talked about Jefferson and Addison last week,

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Naylor, you know, really helped them win that game

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>against screens oh big time. So you asked me that question,

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>my answer is Minnesota, bike, I.

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Totally agree with you in terms of the concern with

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.399
<v Speaker 2>regard to the Lions defense. Watching that game on Monday

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 2>night against San Francisco, a San Francisco with essentially a

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 2>makeshift offensive line was having its way with the Lions

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 2>defense until Brock Perdy bade a couple of arrant throws

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:43.479
<v Speaker 2>in the second half that got intercepted by Kirby Joseph

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>because otherwise, you know, I thought San Francisco was on

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>its way to matching the forty points that the Lions

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 2>put up in that game. So I share your concerns

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>about the Lions defense. It does sound like they may

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.879
<v Speaker 2>get Alex Angeloni, the linebacker back from the broken arm.

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>He's offers a star. I got that. I really botched

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>that golf is the starter.

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh GoF is okay, So.

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>The other team's guy, it's a starter.

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, But so the Lions maybe getting Anzeloni back, which

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>would be at least a stabilizing force in the middle

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 2>of the defense. This is where and I'm with you

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>in being inclined to pick Minnesota, but this is where

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 2>I hedge because the game is in Detroit, and I

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 2>think Minnesota's defense, which is predicated on the pass rush

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 2>and all those crazy looks that Brian Flora wants to

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>throw at you on third down. That kind of stuff

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 2>isn't the same on the road as it is when

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:38.719
<v Speaker 2>you're at home and su home crowd is making all

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the noise on third down and the offense is in

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the silent count and everything like that. I think I

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 2>think Minnesota's defense is going to have this is going

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>to be Minnesota's Minnesota defense's biggest challenge of the season

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>being on the road in Detroit against the Lions offense

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 2>that looks about as unstoppable as anything right now. Heck,

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>they blew they blew a fourth and goal, passed on

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 2>a field goal, and did not score on a fourth

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and goal on Monday night in San Francisco, and they

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 2>still put up forty points in the game. So you know,

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>so that's just because the game is in Detroit. Like,

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>that's that's where I hedge. I think it's gonna be

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 2>a way of a game. It's an incredible way to

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>end the regular season in the NFL with with so

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>much on the line, a division championship and a number

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>one seed in a first round by and all that,

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, to sort of launch everything into

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs. But but yes, you mentioned the Pro Bowl

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 2>three Shortly before we turn the cameras on here, three

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Packers get selected to the Pro Bowls, Xavier McKinney, Josh Jacobs,

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>and Rashaan Geary. Your thoughts on how that went down?

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I just, first and foremost, I feel, I mean, congratulations

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>all three. Congratulations of the seven alternates for Green Bay,

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>including first alternate Elton Jenkins. But you can't help it

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>feel great for Xavier McKinney. Yeah, this is the guy

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>that has not been to a Pro Bowl yet. I

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>think has probably been deserving of it in the past

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>during his time with the Giants, but didn't quite come together.

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>And now here he is this opportunity comes to Green

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Bay seven interceptions. Obviously, has been such a needle mover

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and just a tide turner for this defense. And to

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>be able to be rewarded in this way, the way

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>he's conducted himself with the media, the way he's been

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a team leader from day one, even when he signed

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>here at twenty four years old, incredible for him. I

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>also love it for Josh Shacops because here was a

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>guy that did have He came to Green Bay with

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>something to prove last year was not his best season

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and it was definitely not the type of year you

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>want going into free agents. Sure, yeah, Josh Jacobs came

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>back and showed I am still every bit the same

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>running back I was when I was the NFL rushing

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>champion two years ago and has done it. Has been selfless,

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>has been fought through a lot of different things throughout

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>the course of the year, but has always been available

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>for his team. Those two signings, I don't think you

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>can say enough about them and the impact on and

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>off the field they've made. And then also Rashan Gary

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>getting some respect. I think last year was, you know,

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of a snub. I felt like he was a

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>first alternate just so happens he doesn't get the call. Yeah,

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>this year he does get that opportunity. Thirty eight sacks

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>now in his tenure with Green Bay. I think that's

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>eighth all times since the official statistic in nineteen eighty two.

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>So a guy that also is on the come up as.

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there's I think there's something to be

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>said for the player respect around the league for Rashaun

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Gary because he was not all that high in the

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>fan voting. Correct and he ends up getting a Pro

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Bowl selection on this first round, not being an alternate,

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>but like last year, but actually being selected this time.

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 2>The player vote is part of the process, and I

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>think maybe some respect was shown was thrown Rashaan Gary's

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 2>way by his peers around the league in terms of

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 2>him getting this recognition. So hats off to.

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Him, absolutely, and a guy it's done again, done it

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the right way, been around here, been accountable. It's been

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>neat to see him come back from that ACL which

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>is really the only hiccup he's had in his NFL career,

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and rallied from that. And then also I didn't realize

0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the stakes were this high. Xavier McKinney gets the Star

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>darting spot at free safety. That's the only spot Kirby

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Joseph not selected to the Pro Bowl. So that was

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of a one to two. Those two guys are

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>going back and form in the fan.

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 2>They were right up there at the top of the

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>fan voting all the way along.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>And then the coaches and players put it over the

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>top for McKinney. So again it shows you how difficult

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it is to make the Pro Bowl. Sometimes at some

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of these positions, it's neat to see x get that opportunity. Yeah.

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And as you said, the two free agents signings,

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Xavier McKinney Josh Jacobs, they both end up going to

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Pro Bowls and you know, in their first year with

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the big time, can't You can't say enough about what

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>those acquisitions have meant to the twenty twenty four Packers

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and most likely beyond here. So listen, folks, the home

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft is right here

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>in Green Bay April twenty four through April twenty six

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty five, So visit green Bay dot com

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 2>slash Draft twenty five for more information. And with that,

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 2>team on Packers dot com. Wes has a story up

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.959
<v Speaker 2>on the site about the Alexander news as well as

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>what's going on with the rest of the secondary. He

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 2>also has a story on the Pro Bowl select Thank you.

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting here celebrating because I think you're going to

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>toss to the Pro Bowl things. So then you say Alexander,

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like sitting here like fist pumping it just

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>fit the vibe. Okay, now say the Pro Bowl part.

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>You have a story up on the Packers Pro Bowl selections,

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 2>and later today there will be a story up on

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the Packers selecting the team winner of the ed Block

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Courage Award, So check for that a little bit later

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>on on Thursday. That's a story that I was working

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 2>on this week as well. So for Wes, I am Mike.

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for tuning in. Everybody, We will see you

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>next time.