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Speaker 2: Listen, if you are listening to the iHeartRadio app and

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Speaker 2: congratulations because somebody from here went over and took from there.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Big win yesterday for Scotti Scheffler, raising the American flag

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Speaker 2: and representing the country proud and putting on a show

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Speaker 2: yet again. The greatest golfer on the planet performs yet again,

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Speaker 2: seventeen under guy finished seventeen under par So Scotti Scheffler

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Speaker 2: is your Can we call it the British Open? Just

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Speaker 3: Call it the British Open? I think everyone else is

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Speaker 3: But the run that he's been on the past two

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Speaker 3: so twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five, which is

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Speaker 3: the run Scotty's been on. He plays, he's played in

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Speaker 3: and that's how it kind of felt, even though NBC

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Speaker 3: It was I the only one who felt that way

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's I mean, we've got okay, did you hear

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Speaker 2: this was courtesy? Do we know the credit on this?

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Speaker 2: On this all right? So this was we're going to

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Speaker 2: British version of Rory McElroy over the weekend, and you

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Speaker 3: This is for Eagle three.

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Speaker 2: It's on its way.

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Speaker 4: Come on, Rory, come on, Rory, keep going, keep going,

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Speaker 3: Let's go, it's coming over the ridge.

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Speaker 2: And Scotti Scheffler even talked because people took that quote

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Speaker 6: To be able to win the Open Championship here at

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Speaker 6: Somebody's going to listen to the comments I had this week,

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Speaker 6: You know, something I actually talked to Shane about this

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'll take it, and that is one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: It's it's tough to figure out who exactly that person

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Speaker 2: I buy it. By the way, apologies I called it

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Speaker 3: At one point. They came all the way back.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're thinking, maybe he just doesn't want to

435
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: be a distraction anymore, maybe just you know, once the

436
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: focus to be back on the players, et cetera, et cetera.

437
00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,479
Speaker 2: Then it turns out that an outside investigator hired by

438
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 2: the union found that Lloyd Howell charged the union for

439
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: strip club visits during his time with the NFLPA, most

440
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: notably these two. He was picked up at the airport

441
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: by a car service in Fort Lauderdale back in twenty

442
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: twenty three, and he went straight to a place called

443
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 2: Tutsi's Cabaret for eight hours. Oh yeah, I'm not listening.

444
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,719
Speaker 3: People know Tutsies.

445
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 2: I have not. I have not been to Tutsi's Caabaret.

446
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 2: But I'm assuming if you go there for eight hours,

447
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: you had a good time.

448
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: Having a nice meal, a good time. I'm not sure

449
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: that's a prerequisite, by the way, for being the executive

450
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: director of the NFLPA. You know, just because you representing

451
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 3: the players doesn't mean you need to be a player.

452
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look, one time that was a one time thing.

453
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 2: You know, he just he had just gotten off a plane.

454
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: Maybe they're was, you know, a hot flight attendant, and

455
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: he was like, you know what, enough's enough. I got

456
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 2: to go take advantage of this mood that I'm in.

457
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go to Toutsi's for a couple

458
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: hours listen or a few or eight whatever you want

459
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: to call it. That's fine. Just one time is enough.

460
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: Then it turns out that back in February, February twenty first,

461
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: to be exact, not long after they had that conversation

462
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: in court about collusion, you know, when they should have

463
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: been filing an appeal at that time. They had a

464
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 2: window of time to appeal the decision in court, but

465
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: they were busy because on February twenty first, during the

466
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 2: Player's summit in Atlanta, Lloyd Hal accompanied employees to the

467
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: Magic City Strip Club for an outing that incurred a

468
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: little over twenty four hundred dollars in charges, including cash

469
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: withdrawals ranging from two hundred dollars to five hundred and

470
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars from a club atm Sources and documents

471
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: show they used quote two VIP rooms. According to the

472
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: expense report, the purpose of the Strip Club outing was

473
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 2: quote player engagement event to support and grow our union.

474
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 2: Something was growing. I don't know if it was the union,

475
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: but I could assure you members of the union grew

476
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: at Magic City that night. I can assure you of that.

477
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: Well. I think there were some Lloyd Halli fans who

478
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: probably got a little excited that night. They probably didn't

479
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: want to blow all their excitement and want a particular

480
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: night or spot. But you know, look, we make light

481
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: of this. Oh, this is one of the examples of

482
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 3: why again I keep going back to it, and people

483
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: will probably get upset when I say this. The NFLPA

484
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: is the worst run union. And I'm saying this as

485
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: someone who I don't like admitting that. I don't like

486
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: saying that there's some good benefits that the NFL players

487
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: have post career or even throughout their career compared to

488
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 3: other professional sports leagues. But these are the types of

489
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 3: things that happen behind the scenes. That is just abuse.

490
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: I mean, think about how many hard working guys who

491
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: never tap into having to use the some of the

492
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: different resources that the NFLPA provides, and so they're paying

493
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: their fair share. And meanwhile, this is where a portion

494
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 3: of those funds are going to It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous.

495
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: It's probably one of the reasons too, why JC Tretter

496
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: decided to resign as well, even though he's saying it's

497
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: not due to all the other stuff people are saying

498
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: out there. He's making his own decision on this. That's fine.

499
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: You know, he's been in the room. He knows exactly

500
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: what happened. But he was too attached to Lloyd Howell

501
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: and getting him to become the executive director and then

502
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: coming back as the chief strategy officer. So maybe they

503
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: were working in cahoots. Mind you used to be a

504
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: strip club in Columbus, Ohio. Kudes not using in that

505
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: way right now, no kidding, But maybe Lloyd Howe, yeah,

506
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: apparently had a great lunch. So I don't know. That's

507
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: just what the meat wagon tells me. Lloyd Howe and J. C.

508
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 3: Treader were working in coots on these different player and

509
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: engagements at strip clubs. I don't know. Maybe it was

510
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: their idea, maybe it wasn't. At this point, I think

511
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: we can just widely speculate, But I would think that

512
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: someone who graduated from Penn and as an NBA from

513
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 3: Harvard and Lloyd Howe would realize this is not going

514
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 3: to look good if I'm a part of this. But

515
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: apparently maybe they're not teaching that Harvard. Maybe they are,

516
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, maybe that's part of

517
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: Harvard business core. Nowise I mean to talk about player engagement,

518
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: someone engaging all the playoffs.

519
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: To see and also, by the way, Lloyd Howe had

520
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: some of this stuff in his past, specifically strip clubs

521
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: in his past where a previous employer there were issues

522
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 2: about stuff that he was trying to write off or

523
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: expense rather to the company back in like twenty fifteen.

524
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like this was a well, look, you

525
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: know he one night, bad judgment. No, there were multiple times,

526
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: one one back in February, the other in twenty twenty

527
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: three that we know about or that's come out. And

528
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: then you had another incident and there was you know,

529
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: sexual discrimination accusations against Lloyd Howell and all this stuff.

530
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: So you just see all this stuff breakdown and then

531
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: you've got you know, Jonathan Jones talks of CBS talks

532
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: with JC Tredder and the way that landed with me

533
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: because there was a lot. It felt like JC Tredder

534
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: wanted to get and I think he said as much,

535
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: wanted to get his side of the story out first

536
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: because I think there's probably something coming out on him soon.

537
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: That's what it felt like to me, And he got

538
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: really aggressive with it and just said, oh don't. I

539
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: just want to be with my family. I have no

540
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: interest in any more involvement in the NFLPA. I'm done.

541
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: I just want to go spend time with my family.

542
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: That to me feels like something else is going to

543
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: come out, and it's probably going to come out on J. C. Trader.

544
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: That's what it landed like to me.

545
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: Maybe not specifically about him, but something's going to come

546
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: out that's going to involve him. And here's the thing is,

547
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: I think most people who sign up to be a

548
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 3: part of the union have to realize that you're going

549
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: to be taking bullets for the union, the players, a

550
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: lot of things that are going on. He talked about

551
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: that too in his piece with Jonathan Jones, or at

552
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: least what he had reportedly said to Jonathan Jones. And

553
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: that's what you sign up for. That's what that job is.

554
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: If you don't like it, don't sign up for it

555
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: in the first place, but it feels like he was

556
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: angling to eventually maybe take over as executive director, and

557
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: that was how this whole thing was orchestrated and set up.

558
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: So I look at it and just say, it's once

559
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: again an example of an NFLPA that struggles to find

560
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: the best to take over at that executive director job.

561
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: And you know, moving forward, who do they go get

562
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: to replace them? There's gonna be a vote soon, at

563
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: least reportedly, that's what we're hearing. Will it be Don Davis?

564
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 3: I mean, and look, I'm sure fans don't care on

565
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: the outside. I mean, this doesn't matter to the product

566
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: they're gonna see on Sundays. It's not gonna change anything

567
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: in that regard. But this is more of the business

568
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: behind the scenes where the owners are once again getting

569
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: a leg up because if they're looking across the negotiating

570
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: table at the NFLPA right now, it looks weak and

571
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: it looks like they're gonna be able to take advantage

572
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: of whatever comes next. So I don't know where the

573
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: NFLPA goes from here and who they're looking at to

574
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: try to bring in as the full time executive director

575
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: or if whoever they vote as the interim executive director

576
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: gets an opportunity to make it their full time gig.

577
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: But this should be a wake up call. I said

578
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: it last week. This is damning. It should be a

579
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: wake up call, and there should be a lot of

580
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: frustrated and angry union members if we're being honest with ourselves.

581
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because now you're looking at this going so these

582
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: are the guys that are supposed to be getting our

583
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: messaging across. These are the guys that we trust with.

584
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: You know, we're putting our lives on the line. We'd like,

585
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, something better for us and our future moving forward,

586
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: and you know, instead we got these guys going to

587
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: tootsies after a flight and like, it's just I mean,

588
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: and here's what here's what I would say. I do

589
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: think it's I do people listening. It may not affect, say,

590
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: your fantasy football team on a Sunday specifically, but I

591
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: think it affects how the league looks because the extra games,

592
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: everything that comes along with it that you know owners

593
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: have been pushing for that. You know, players have said, well,

594
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: we need this and we want that. And I wasn't

595
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: aware of the lack of the players of unions, their

596
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: lack of being able to get a deal done until

597
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: working with you and hearing former players who have been

598
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: through it talk about, look, man, we need this, we

599
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: need that. We need that. We don't need a larger

600
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: windows we can smoke weed, we don't need less padded practices.

601
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: We need this, we need long term healthcare. Like we

602
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: these are the things that we need, and they never

603
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: get done. And then when you see stuff like this

604
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: come out, you go, well, christ Man, like, how are

605
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: they supposed to win any negotiation with the owners or

606
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: get anything done when this is what's happening behind the scenes.

607
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe have the owners at the strip club

608
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: with them. Great call, Maybe that would have helped negotiations.

609
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: I make great call.

610
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, I'm just saying, I think

611
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: there's a few out there that have been well documented

612
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: that would not They wouldn't say no.

613
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the thing is, robber Craft just gets straight

614
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: to the point like this.

615
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: I didn't not to name names for record, I did

616
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: not name names.

617
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: Well, I just did. That's on you, I just did.

618
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: Robber Craft's like laptant. Seriously, kiss my ass. I'm going

619
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: right over there and I'll see you guys in fifteen minutes,

620
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be relaxed afterwards, laugh Dand I don't leave.

621
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't think he'd be disappointed if he's going to

622
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: Tutsi's so.

623
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: By the way, this is important, important stuff here on

624
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: this show because you count on this show to get

625
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: this stuff done. Uh, we have got information, Lead to Lap.

626
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, our executive producer.

627
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: Can this be Lee's intro song from now on? Y?

628
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: We so Lead the Lap are executive Lee.

629
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: It's like the whitest thing you've ever done. I wish

630
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: you could see his face when he does it.

631
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, Lee, that should be a home

632
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: game for you. Come on, pick up your game a

633
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: little bit. So Lead the Lap has done some research.

634
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: He's done copious research on So you've got both Tootsi's

635
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: Cabaret and Cahoots.

636
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

637
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 5: What I can find for Cahoots gone but not forgotten

638
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: because there they're pages. Their pages have gone down. But

639
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: I found some information including some uh Columbus. Uh, the

640
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: City of Columbus having to pay out six exotic dancers

641
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 5: because they were being targeted by undercover vice. That's an

642
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 5: interesting story there. Yeah, if you were going there, you

643
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: could get half off Martiniz on Mondays. That's you know,

644
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 5: can't find as many deals as I can find on Tutsies,

645
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: which is still going in fact a great deal, and

646
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: I can understand why they were meeting there because you

647
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 5: can get a great party room package for two thousand

648
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: dollars which comes which comes with fourteen hundred dollars to

649
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Speaker 5: spend on food and drink.

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Speaker 3: So just changes everything. They're actually spending those moneys in

651
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Speaker 3: an economic manner for their meeting. Yabil was the cheapest

652
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Speaker 3: place they could find for a meeting in South Florida.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you get a private room with like pay per

654
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Speaker 5: view all free pay per view events so you could

655
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Speaker 5: watch the games all.

656
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Speaker 3: So actually I've completely turned course on this and they

657
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: were actually doing the union of favor and they found

658
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Speaker 3: the cheapest place to have this meeting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so hold on, So that's at Tutsies. This is

660
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: that Tutsies where you get and their menus. By the way,

661
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Speaker 2: howat how about the fact that Lloyd Howell got off

662
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: a flight and was like, man, I don't want to

663
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: go home, go home?

664
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Speaker 3: Does does Pould feel like he needed to do it

665
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: for the street crowd. It's like, yeah, I'm one of

666
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: the guys. I'm going to come out here and you

667
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like I'm an executive director, but

668
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: I need to meet everyone at a strip club just

669
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: to be like, I'm one of the boys.

670
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: How about the balls on him to try and expense it,

671
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like.

672
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Speaker 3: Though, you're like, you Pen Harvard NBA guy, and you

673
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: don't think that as you're walking in this situation, this

674
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: is gonna go wrong at some point. I mean, this

675
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: is like this will be a case study at Harvard

676
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: Business School at some point, or someone will write one

677
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: and throw Harvard's name on it and sell it or

678
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: license in that other school.

679
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Speaker 2: I'll even give Lee credit, all right, Lee who loves

680
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: to bend the elbow. He loves to lick the lid

681
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Speaker 2: when we go on like the Super Bowl week or

682
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: we go on work trips. I've had conversations about Lee

683
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Speaker 2: about like, listen, you know that you can expense certain

684
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Speaker 2: things whatnot we get a perdem and Lee has told

685
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Speaker 2: me specifically, yeah, I'm not going to expense my alcohol,

686
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: for first of all, the company would go broke. Secondly,

687
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: it's just kind of a bad look. Lloyd how's like

688
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Magic City player engagement.

689
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: Okay, that's what's itemized on the receipt. You know, sometimes

690
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 5: they don't necessarily itemize what's on.

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Speaker 2: There, all right, So what else about? By the way,

692
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 2: on Cahoots, there is a yelp, Yeah, that does have

693
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Speaker 2: some reviews. The first most prominent reviews are from people

694
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Speaker 2: locally in the Columbus area, won by the name of

695
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Speaker 2: Jake the other Pat in that's about right. What is

696
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Speaker 2: the what are you else you've seen about Cahoots there

697
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: in Columbus? Oh?

698
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Speaker 5: Yeah, from like I said, it's uh, it's mostly the

699
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Speaker 5: news story about them suing the local police for the

700
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Speaker 5: undercover vice.

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Speaker 3: I've see the reviews you're talking about, though, Jonas. This

702
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: one says, Pat says, has a great lunchtime buffet. I

703
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: didn't let the melons. What that means getting the way?

704
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I know what that means. I know what

705
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: that means. And here's a Jake heare says I did wings,

706
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: but the thighs are better. Wow.

707
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: I see an awkward layout.

708
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 5: Girls are excited to be there, but little talent, very

709
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: orchestrated routines. Vibe is bland. Average age twenty one. Music

710
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 5: isn't current.

711
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing another one here from the Jake character that

712
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned. Had a great time with my friend Gus

713
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: after a golf tournament. The tacos are awesome, So I

714
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: apparently this is a thing. So Cahoots, Yeah, peace.

715
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: Gone but never forgotten.

716
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Speaker 5: That's what their Instagram page is on.

717
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Speaker 2: Doesn't really do?

718
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Instagram page for a defunct strip club. Maybe maybe

719
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: that's a new thing, Like maybe somebody's go around scouring

720
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Speaker 3: these cities and just find every strip club that's shut

721
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Speaker 3: down and create on Instagram account.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is two different worlds. So that's Columbus, Ohio.

723
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Speaker 2: Out here in southern California. The Cahoots that I know

724
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Speaker 2: is in Moore Park. It's a feed and pet store.

725
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 2: So two completely different Cahoots in different parts of the country.

726
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Speaker 3: Well, the Californias may have felt like they look the

727
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 3: same when they get there, probably, I mean pressed.

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Speaker 2: That's a very good point, Leah. Anything else you'd like

729
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: to add on either a Tootsies cabaret or Cahoots.

730
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Speaker 5: Well, Tutsies, I mean, next time I go or first

731
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Speaker 5: time I go, I'm gonna get me some world famous

732
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 5: fried lobster tail looks great. Some seafood rice, maybe some

733
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Speaker 5: famous TUTSI slow roasted ribs. They got a great combo

734
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Speaker 5: meal where it comes with grilled shrimp they're famous for.

735
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Speaker 2: And their dessert you get.

736
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Speaker 5: Banana caramel fried cheesecake for only seven dollars.

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Speaker 3: I Melee, do you ever contemplate? I mean, I know

738
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Speaker 3: it's in South Florida, so you'd assume the fish is fresh.

739
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Speaker 3: But do you ever contemplate when you're eating fish? You

740
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Speaker 3: know wherehere did you get it from?

741
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Speaker 5: I do, But worst decision I ever made in my

742
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: life was getting oysters in Venice, Italy. I didn't really

743
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Speaker 5: think about it before I did it, and then I did.

744
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Speaker 5: As soon as I tasted it, I was like, why

745
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Speaker 5: would I have ever gotten oysters in Venezuela?

746
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: I guess real quick, I guess the worst thing that

747
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: could happen to you at Tootsies is probably not food poisoning.

748
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: It's probably getting something.

749
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Speaker 2: Else, right, I would say, Lee, do you remember You

750
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: probably don't remember this the night that you bailed and

751
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: face planted in New Orleans for the super I remember

752
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: most of well. So we went to a place in

753
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Speaker 2: New Orleans and they had oysters that they were like fresh, yeah,

754
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: I remember, okay, because you off dozed off with the

755
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: bar top and almost the plate of oysters over the bar.

756
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Speaker 5: That's how good.

757
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: And the guy sitting on the other side of the

758
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: lee goes, hey, buddy, you are right, that's just.

759
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: A Wednesday new or.

760
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: The bar so good? Those were delicious. Well, hey, look, uh,

761
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: the NFLPA has got problems. They're hoping to rid themselves

762
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: of those problems. And now, uh, now maybe we'll get

763
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: this whole thing figured out here.

764
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Speaker 3: But that's a good thing. He resigned though, you know,

765
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Speaker 3: imagine imagine this coming out and then he's still the

766
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: executive director and answer to this, that's all right, Now

767
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: it's time to throw the towel.

768
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. None of this would have come

769
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Speaker 2: out if Pablo Tori didn't get a hold of the transcripts.

770
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: Think about like, if he hadn't done enough digging to

771
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Speaker 2: try and get this information, none of that stuff would

772
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: have come out, and this would have all still been

773
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: going on, and it would have been like, man, really

774
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: hope they can get a better deal for us. Meanwhile,

775
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: there whatever strip they're at this week, our next year,

776
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: you know.

777
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 3: We need to do we need to have Lee try

778
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: to call maybe either in the next segment during the

779
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: break and just give us an idea of how much

780
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Speaker 3: it costs to get a conference room at one of

781
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: these hotels in South Florida versus the deal that he

782
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: just signed up for the vip room at tutsis. Honest. Yeah,

783
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: maybe they called around and they're like, dude, you're not

784
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: gonna believe this, but we actually can't find a better

785
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: deal than Tutsie's vip rooms special. So that's where your

786
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: meeting when you go down in Poland.

787
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lee, Lee, you think you make that happen? On it.

788
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: We'll get a price point on that moving forward.

789
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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

790
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

791
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

792
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew this or not, but

793
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: the WNBA had an All Star game this weekend.

794
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Speaker 3: I was aware of that. I was aware of that.

795
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Speaker 2: I did not watch because just had no real interest.

796
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: All star games are for me, and especially all star

797
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: games involving a league that I am not crazy about.

798
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: It's just not for me.

799
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Speaker 3: Not my thing.

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00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: But of course we had a little bit of you know, controversy.

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Plum of the w n B A, uh, they

802
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Speaker 2: are what the T shirt said, specifically, we deserve more

803
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: money is it was something along those lines, pay us more,

804
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: pay us what you owe us got you so pay

805
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: us what you owe us and Kelsey Plum of the

806
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: Sparks spoke over the weekend and of course figured out

807
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Speaker 2: a way to maybe throw a little bit of shade

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Speaker 2: herself at one Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 4: That was a very powerful moment. We didn't, at least

810
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 4: as players, we didn't know that that was going to happen,

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Speaker 4: so I think it was kind of like a genuine surprise.

812
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 4: But the T shirt just united front was determined this

813
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: morning that we had a meeting for and uh, you know,

814
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: not to to Chattletale, but zero members of Team Clark

815
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: were very present for that.

816
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: So that was Kelsey Plumb making it a point to

817
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: point out that Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 3: Was It's amazing how the WNBA players can't get out

819
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: of their own way. It's incredible. The girl who arguably,

820
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's arguable, you know, you can't

821
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: argue it at this point, she has brought the ratings,

822
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: she has brought any sort of momentum this league has had.

823
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: And yet, even in an instance where you're trying to

824
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: look unified in your call to get compensated more, you

825
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: take a shot at the one person who's leading this

826
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: entire league into maybe eventually profitability. I never understand this.

827
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: I never understand this. It is the stupidest way of

828
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: handling business. So look, if we want to talk about

829
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Speaker 3: the past yu o us, we can talk about that.

830
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: I mean, the league was started in nineteen ninety six.

831
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: At no point hasn't ever turned a profit at no point.

832
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: I mean at times there's estimates that the league reportedly

833
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 3: lost to an eighty million. It's lost up to four

834
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: hundred million if you go back to twenty ten. This

835
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: is all reported. Okay, So people are going to debate

836
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Speaker 3: the facts of where the numbers come from because the

837
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: finances they're not very transparent, and in part because you know,

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00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: a lot of these teams are kind of rolled into

839
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: some of the NBA ownerships, Like you look at Matt

840
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: NIESHBA who that came along with that was the Mercury Phoenix.

841
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: And there's reports or people that discussed that that was

842
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: thrown into the deal at a value of zero because

843
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: the business doesn't turn a profit. Now, I'm not saying

844
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: that a business has to turn a profit in order

845
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: to be able to be a business or remain a business.

846
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 3: We've got all sorts of different structures for different business entities. Okay,

847
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: Amazon for example. Everyone throws out, well, Amazon didn't turn

848
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 3: a profit for eight, nine, ten years, whatever it was. Okay,

849
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: if you're using Amazon as the comparison to the WNBA,

850
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but Amazon had a revolutionary product and it's

851
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: a tech. It's a more tech than anything else. It

852
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: took a while to build up to profitability. Now it's

853
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: one of the most value companies in the world, if

854
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: not the most value. So you're using a unicorn to

855
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: compare to the WNBA. Now, the only thing the WNBA

856
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: really has going for it if you look at recent

857
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: years and the track record of the revenue getting closer

858
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 3: to profitability. I believe last year they still lost fifty million.

859
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 3: Mind you, still being subsidized by the NBA, who owns

860
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: about forty two percent of the league, and they're pumping

861
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: in anywhere between fifteen million to some suspect it could

862
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 3: be up to forty million a year to help offset

863
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: a lot of the operating costs. So there's the thought that, hey,

864
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: these finances aren't transparent, and they're not transparent because the

865
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: owners of these WNBA teams, whether they be NBA owners

866
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: or separate owners from that, they don't want them to

867
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: be publicized because then the players would have greater rights

868
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: to trying to negotiate to get paid more. I mean,

869
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: that's what this is ultimately about, is the players feel

870
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: like this league's at a better spot and they deserve

871
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 3: a greater portion of the revenue share. The NBA players

872
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: make in salaries fifty percent of the revenue the league

873
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: is able to generate. The NBA generates eleven point three

874
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: point eight billion dollars a year. NBA contracts take up

875
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: fifty percent of that. Think about that. The WNBA makes

876
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: reportedly four hundred five hundred million a year and their

877
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: contracts take up nine percent of that. So that's really

878
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: what this is about, is the WNBA players believe they're

879
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 3: underpaid in comparison to NBA players who take up a

880
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: much greater percentage of their revenue. Now, again, I'm not

881
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: an expert. I don't have all the finances. Maybe some

882
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: of the WNB players do, even though again it becomes

883
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: murky and hard to figure out the exact figures. The

884
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: one thing we know, though, is valuations keep skyrocketing. All

885
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: these teams that the people who paid zero dollars for

886
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: ten million four when you go back five years ago,

887
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: four years ago, they're now somehow around twitter million now.

888
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: On paper, that always looks good, but the reality is

889
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: it's gonna be hard to have a team that actually

890
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 3: stays in business if you don't eventually turn a profit

891
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: or be able to figure out a way of turning

892
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: a lot of the money you're throwing in this thing

893
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: into money that will become profit and eventually you can

894
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: invest back into the team. So that's the crux of

895
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: this issue is the players want to be paid more,

896
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: but you've got a business that's not earning any profits,

897
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: which makes it hard to be able to sustain unless

898
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: you've got people with deep pockets who want to keep

899
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: it investing, keep investing. Eventually, sometimes that welder goes dry.

900
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: There's not many businesses out there that can remain unprofitable

901
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: for thirty years and still be able to stay in business,

902
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: it's hard to do. Not saying the WNBA can't do it,

903
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: not saying they don't have a ton of positive momentum

904
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 3: right now. I'm not even saying that the women should

905
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: be paid more in comparison to their NBA counterparts. But

906
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: I don't know that this is the best way of

907
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: going about doing it. I don't know if you want

908
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: to ostracize your star in Kaitlin Clark as part of that,

909
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: even though I believe she put on a T shirt

910
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: at some point and what's wearing it and probably feel

911
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: similar to the rest of the crew, But why take

912
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: the shot? What's the purpose of that?

913
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: That's the part. And this is why I struggle to

914
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: even entertain the idea of paying more attention to the WNBA,

915
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: because they've all I ever hear about when it comes

916
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: to the WNBA is all the Hey, what did Britney

917
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: Griner say under her breath? And was it a racial

918
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: slur while she was sitting on the bench. Hey, Caitlyn

919
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: Clark got fouled here. Somebody doesn't like Caitlin Clark here,

920
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Angel Reese says this the debate online everything is drama,

921
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: Everything is controversy, Like there's no, okay, what are there

922
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: any on court highlights? Like any anything from a game?

923
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: We can look at anything, because I see those with

924
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark. Yet everything every time somebody speaks out publicly

925
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: about her, it seems like they're taking a shot. And

926
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: for Kelsey Plumb and some of these other players, it's

927
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: real simple. If you want more, why would you diminish

928
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: the person that can help get you more? Why why

929
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: would you do that? I don't and I always go

930
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: back to this Charles Barkley quote where he was talking

931
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: with Dan LeBatard and he said, man, when Magic Johnson

932
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: signed his twenty five year, twenty five million dollar contract,

933
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: we were all high fiving in the Sixers' locker room

934
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: because we realized, oh, if he's getting that, that's great

935
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: for all of us. It was more of a this

936
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: like for everybody involved, this is a win. Like you.

937
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: You didn't have people bad mouthing it. They were celebrating

938
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: because they realized, Hey, this is all part of the

939
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: greater good. More eyeballs, more exposure, more money, and then

940
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: you end up getting what you're demanding on that T

941
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: shirt instead. Now we just can't help ourselves. It's all

942
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: star weekend. You know, we've got a little bit of

943
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: a platform here. Let's go ahead and take a shot

944
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: of the best player. Is she the best player in

945
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: the league. Probably not, but she's the most talked about

946
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 2: and she's the one that can get you places. It's like, look, man,

947
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods. There was a time when I remember having

948
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: this discussion on the air because there were people that

949
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: are like, man, you know, Tiger's not the same player

950
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: he was. You know, there's more guys in this tournament

951
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: than just Tiger Woods. Okay, fair, but why diminish that

952
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: you would want him in every single tournament, to make

953
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: the cut in every single tournament because more people are

954
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: going to watch, and it's better for business, it's better revenue,

955
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: it's more exposure. If I was these WNBA players, I

956
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 2: would go above and beyond to welcome her in celebrate her,

957
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: get more positive feedback and more positive conversation around it,

958
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: as opposed to give us a T shirt all and

959
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: let's point out the fact that she was not there

960
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: for the initial meeting before she eventually put on the shirt.

961
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I don't get it at all.

962
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: It would be like trying to grow this show and

963
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: ripping you publicly. Who's going to listen to the show

964
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: if I'm sitting here bearing you publicly? Who would do that? Why?

965
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: I think it doesn't help anybody involved, and for some reason,

966
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: they can't help themselves in doing this.

967
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 3: What's odd too is there's people, and this is mostly

968
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 3: born on social media, who want to attack those who

969
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: are skeptical about the league. When if you look at

970
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: the ratings, yes, it's growing in viewership, there's some momentum there,

971
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: but a lot of it's tied around Kaitlyn Clark. I mean,

972
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: you can see the differentiated numbers from viewership with her

973
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 3: with an average about a million versus viewership without her

974
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: that sometimes way less. And when you factor then in

975
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: compared to other sports, you realize there's a long road ahead.

976
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: And then when you look at the estimates of what

977
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 3: some of these WNBA fr franchises are worth. For example,

978
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 3: the Las Vegas a ass Mark Davis purchased them in

979
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, so four years ago, you know how

980
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: much you paid for him two million bucks. The franchise

981
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: value right now supposedly is two hundred and ninety million dollars.

982
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: So are we really supposed to believe they've increased in

983
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: value six percent in the last four years. Is that?

984
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: How much more? Like it's okay to be skeptical about this.

985
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: I mean, this happens in the stock market all the time,

986
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: where there's companies that against struggle to urn profits, had

987
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 3: bad quarters, bad years, and you're like, how the hell

988
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: are they? You know, price as high as they are,

989
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: the price per share earnings ratio is off. There's always

990
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: different ratios you're going to look at. Look at the

991
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: New York Liberty. Okay, that was a team that was

992
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: purchased for ten million in twenty nineteen. They've supposedly reached

993
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 3: four and twenty million invaluation. The Atlanta Dream I get

994
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 3: purchased twenty twenty one. I believe seven to ten million

995
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: someone in that ballpark reportedly now it's the lowest of

996
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: all of about one hundred and ninety million. So there's

997
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 3: some skepticism because we're not seeing the crowds at the games.

998
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: The viewership is better, but it's not dominated. It's not

999
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, packed, like we're a custa sing unless usually

1000
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: it's Kaitlin Clark involved. I mean again, and I already

1001
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 3: talked about the Phoenix Mercury or the Minnesota Lynx. I mean,

1002
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: those are franchises that again there were package deals with

1003
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: their NBA teams, but again reportedly, there was little consideration

1004
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: given to the valuations of both WNBA teams. I mean,

1005
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: I mean, so when they keep pushing to be paid more,

1006
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: the problem is I feel like there's a lot of

1007
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: people out there on the outside who they look at

1008
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: the entire league and say, it'll warn't being paid more

1009
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 3: when you're there, But it's not there yet. And part

1010
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: of the issue is you're attacking quite possibly, I don't

1011
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: get it the most, the most, you know, the best player,

1012
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: maybe the most polarizing player, howeveryone describe.

1013
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: I don't get it, and there keeps.

1014
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 3: Being everything outside of the actual game itself.

1015
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: I don't. I just I don't. It makes no sense

1016
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: to me. That's why. Look, you know, you talk about

1017
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: we were mentioning boxing earlier, like there's a reason why

1018
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: more boxers are now starting to be open minded to

1019
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: Jake Paul at like on a card fighting him, because

1020
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: they realize the opportunity in the eyeballs he brings, like

1021
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: they're realizing, oh, we kind of need this. It helps

1022
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: everybody involved and for some reason. They just want to

1023
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: diminish her every chance they get. I don't get it

1024
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense.