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Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Years in

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Speaker 2: What up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Moones Fuck Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: I Heart Radio app Hey, welcome in. How you doing.

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: Last night was Thursday Night football. Obviously it was in

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Speaker 2: Green Bay, and I don't know, it's just fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: We did we realize kind of what it does to

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Speaker 2: a football team when you get that second win and

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Speaker 2: you have the extra time off. Even for the Commanders,

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Speaker 2: in all honesty, they didn't look great. It was a

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Speaker 2: sloppy game. They got beat. But it's losing to a

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Speaker 2: in a road game, to a playoff team in a

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Speaker 2: place that's really hard to win. It's not the worst

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Speaker 2: thing on earth. But you know, I was talking about

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Speaker 2: this with a bunch of coaches and we were talking

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Speaker 2: about scheduling in college basketball. Scheduling is crazy. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: about this with Oklahoma State. There's no way they should

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Speaker 2: have played Oregon last weekend. Should have gotten out of

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Speaker 2: that game. It was scheduled in twenty eighteen when Oregon

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Speaker 2: was seven and six and Oklahoma State was an elite

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Speaker 2: football team. And when you knew that thing was coming.

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Speaker 2: You need time to get your team kind of up

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Speaker 2: and running. And I do think that one of the

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Speaker 2: things that's fascinating about the NFL this year, and I'd

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Speaker 2: love to see it if there's a direct correlation. But

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Speaker 2: there have been teams that have played their starters more

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Speaker 2: in the preseason and they've been ready to go earlier.

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Speaker 2: They've been ready to go earlier. I know, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the year, all wins look equal, and if

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Speaker 2: the Packers only win eight, they probably don't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: That they win nine still probably don't. Ten, yeah you'll

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs or whatever. So from this point forward

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Speaker 2: regards you can win these two games, lose the Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 2: it feels like a double loss. It's all just one win.

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Speaker 2: But again, this is more coaching perspective. Winning early breeds confidence. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you'd like to get dinged earlier or be challenged

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Speaker 2: early by an inferior opponent because it can wait guys up.

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Speaker 2: But winning early breeds confidence. That's a big thing. And

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Speaker 2: then when you win early and the schedule helps you out,

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Speaker 2: now you get a chance to get fresh and rested

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Speaker 2: for your third game, and you use it like a bye.

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Speaker 2: This is no different. College football is the same. College

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Speaker 2: basketball is the same. Where we try and space out

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Speaker 2: our schedule, like, man, if we get a win there

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Speaker 2: out with Kansas and it's going to be hard to

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Speaker 2: be confident against, you know, the Darren Peterson, who's the

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Speaker 2: we have to get to a level where we get confidence.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the Green Bay Packers they're a

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Speaker 2: good football team. They're also the youngest team in the NFL. Well,

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Speaker 2: and part of being young is you think you're really

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Speaker 2: really good. But when you win now it breeds true

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Speaker 2: Does Fox Say every Day? This time the Doug Golliby Show.

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Speaker 2: In the Bonus podcast, we play for you a previous

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Speaker 2: version of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports One. We call it what does the Fox say,

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Speaker 2: this is Tom Brady talking about young quarterbacks and Cowherd's

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Speaker 2: rule that you can give a quarterback until Thanksgiving of

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Speaker 4: What if you're a quarterback, then you go to a

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Speaker 4: system and they don't teach you coverage. They don't teach

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Speaker 4: don't teach you cover four. They don't have personnel meetings.

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Speaker 4: They give you an offensive game plan and they go

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Speaker 4: all right, but here you go figure it out, and

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Speaker 4: He you know, he can't recover. Like dude, what would

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Speaker 2: With all due respect, I again, I think it's that's

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Speaker 2: taught those things. That's a fascinating, fascinating discussion. Here's Dan

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Speaker 5: You've got everybody's attention. This is a team that always scored.

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Speaker 1: Now you're thinking.

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Speaker 5: About where where is that guy? Because Michael Parsons, you

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Speaker 5: There's only a couple of players like that in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: That's why I know Jerry's going to go to his

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Speaker 5: They you know, I think Green Bay paid too much

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Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about this in the radio show.

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Speaker 2: It's you added. You had a really good team and

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Speaker 2: You have to have an elite pass rush you have

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Speaker 2: helps in your elite. I don't know if Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: a depth of wide receivers. Obviously, you look like you

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Speaker 2: For the Packers, it's a home run. Here's Rob Parker

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Speaker 2: talking about John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 6: John Harbaugh should be fired as coach of the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 6: This happens Calvin way too often.

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Speaker 7: With the talent that they have.

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Speaker 6: Rob g just told you seventeen times they've given up

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Speaker 1: I get it. He won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.

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Speaker 7: They won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up

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Speaker 6: and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years. Stop giving

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Speaker 6: Harball pass. Do you remember the playoff game in the

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Speaker 6: AFC Championship.

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Speaker 6: Some game playing where Lamar threw the ball every down

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Speaker 7: Remember that that was another one.

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Speaker 6: I can go on and on and on about the

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Speaker 6: bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.

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Speaker 6: It's John Harball. It's time.

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Speaker 2: I just Rob and Jay and I we talk about

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Speaker 2: this all the time. There's lots of different things that

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Speaker 2: he says that gets people riled up, gets people riled up,

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Speaker 2: But the fire everybody anytime things are bad. I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: I'll never understand. Do I think John Harbaugh is a

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Speaker 2: great coach? I do. Do you know why? Because his

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Speaker 2: team's good every years, team's good every year, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: they've lown leads. There's no accountability for his quarterback. Right,

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Speaker 2: they didn't get a first down in the first fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: that's why they lost the game, that in a fumble.

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Speaker 2: But I again, like, if you're gonna fire John Harbaugh,

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Speaker 2: if it's time, who are you gonna hire Who's gonna

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Speaker 2: be consistently as competitive as Harball? You're throwing the baby

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Speaker 7: So I love Rob.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 2: Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying?

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Speaker 7: Hey? Do you know it's annoying? Sometimes? Is math? Math

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Speaker 3: Something that I've learned over my career is that there's

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Speaker 3: Let me start over.

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Speaker 3: That's how we start right there with laugh laughter. That's good.

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Speaker 3: Holy hell. I'm gonna get killed for this. They're gonna

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Speaker 7: I think math, Doug in general, could be real annoying.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what we were doing with all those

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Speaker 7: If you're going by days, twenty four hours, you're going

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Speaker 8: I didn't like about what Ryan did.

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Speaker 2: My son and I talked about this for about a

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Speaker 2: half hour the other night, and I asked him if

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Speaker 2: he saw the video, and he at first said no,

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Speaker 2: and then he texted me, can you call me? And

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Speaker 2: then I was like what's up? And he's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I had real fomo. I I watched it, and I

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Speaker 2: just I because I said to him, like, don't watch it.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to see that. There's nothing. There's no

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Speaker 2: positive takeaway from watching a human being die, being shot

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Speaker 2: and dying. What what is the positive takeaway? You're too

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Speaker 2: anybody is too young. And then when you factor in

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Speaker 2: his kids are there, why he's there, it's just awful, awful.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't I don't know. But what I

448
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Speaker 2: can tell you, though, Jason, and this is a real thing,

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Speaker 2: is I do find it hypocritical. Okay, it's hypocritical for

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Speaker 2: the you know, the party of all people, right, the Democrats.

451
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Speaker 2: We're the most welcoming party to speak this way, right,

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Speaker 2: but it's also hypocritical for people who are Republicans to

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Speaker 2: talk about freedom of speech. And now you know, somebody

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Speaker 2: who they like was shot and killed, was essentially executed,

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Speaker 2: and people are saying things which are just nasty and

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Speaker 2: just volatile and awful. I would there are very few

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Speaker 2: human beings who have not committed crimes that I would

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Speaker 2: say that about, maybe two or three, and I have

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Speaker 2: really really good reasons, and even then I would never

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Speaker 2: utter it aloud. I might think it, I wouldn't say it,

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Speaker 2: But there is a freedom of speech element to it.

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Speaker 2: So we're in this weird place. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: would lead Chris Rock to say that. I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I know that he said insulting things,

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Speaker 2: especially towards black people, towards towards people of color, towards

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Speaker 2: women as well. I get it, okay, I am. I

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Speaker 2: was in no way, as you know, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: supporter of many of the things that he said. On

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Speaker 2: the other hand, I don't know anybody like that. I

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Speaker 2: don't want anybody in my circle that says these things.

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Speaker 2: That's just that there's a lack of humanity there, which

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Speaker 2: I don't understand.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the answer to I don't know why

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Speaker 7: Chris Rock would state these things. I mean there he's

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Speaker 7: a microcosm of the greater kind of a negative part

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Speaker 7: of this week. It's like a lot of people have

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Speaker 7: stated similar things in in the public square and social

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Speaker 7: on social media, like and I think that when you

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Speaker 7: say you don't want your kids to watch it, A

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Speaker 7: part of me is like, we need to see how

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Speaker 7: greosome this was. Now, this is our freedoms being taken

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Speaker 7: away from us. Somebody needs to be woken up to

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Speaker 7: political violence being unacceptable. I mean, there needs to be

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Speaker 7: a sobering moment.

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Speaker 2: I I do understand that. I just I don't think

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Speaker 2: you need to see somebody. I don't think it's healthy

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Speaker 2: to see. It's like my son I had the discussion

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Speaker 2: about pornography. You know, it's a real thing, and you know,

489
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Speaker 2: like he's going to be at you know, at some

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Speaker 2: point in his life's sexually active, right, But you don't

491
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Speaker 2: need to see that. It's just just can do terrible

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Speaker 2: things to your brain and how you view relationships and

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Speaker 2: women and sex and whatever. That's what I think. Now

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Speaker 2: you could also say, like, this is what gun violence

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Speaker 2: looks like, right, this is what gun line. You want

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Speaker 2: to stand by everyone's right to bare arms. Here's the

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Speaker 2: problem if you shoot somebody in cold blood the way

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Speaker 2: that Charlie was shot in cold blood. Okay, like your

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Speaker 2: brain clearly isn't working correctly. You you should. I have

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Speaker 2: no problem with the death monally, zero none, not as

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Speaker 2: a deterent, as a punishment. But like, again there is

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Speaker 2: there is a place they were like, oh okay, like

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Speaker 2: you want to brush off gun violence and how all

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Speaker 2: that it all that, it does, all that entails, and

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Speaker 2: you know it's like what do what does the gun

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Speaker 2: lobby tell you? Well, you know, one bad guy, if

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Speaker 2: everybody has a gun, one bad guy with the gun,

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Speaker 2: we can take him out. Like that didn't happen, that

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Speaker 2: that didn't happen. So there's lots of different pieces to

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Speaker 2: the argument which could be made based upon this, this terrible,

511
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Speaker 2: terrible event. I don't think you and I are agree.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what would cause somebody, especially a father,

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Speaker 2: But even if you're not a father, just a human

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Speaker 2: being to say such things after somebody is murdered in

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Speaker 2: cold blood. I don't know. I don't know what's going

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Speaker 2: on there.

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Speaker 7: It's a degrading of humanity. We are de evolving as

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Speaker 7: a society.

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Speaker 2: In front of our line that I would agree with.

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Speaker 7: Social media has only put a spotlight on the depths

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Speaker 7: of our inhumanity. I think that this week a lot

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Speaker 7: of things have been learned from this week, that there

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Speaker 7: are no depths to how awful people could be in

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Speaker 7: the wake of tragedy. And as we stated yesterday, twenty

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Speaker 7: four years ago, this company, this country galvanized and we

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Speaker 7: were together as one to root out all evil. There

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Speaker 7: isn't any of that this week. Our president was the

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Speaker 7: opposite of unifying in his words the other night, it's

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Speaker 7: proof that we are nowhere even close to unify it.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's a he's a divider, dude, And nothing would

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Speaker 2: tell you otherwise. He's a divider. He's he's divided this country.

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Speaker 2: It's been awful, okay. And you have the you have

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Speaker 2: the videos. You have the videos where whether it's Obama

534
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Speaker 2: or Biden, when something would go with something would would happen,

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Speaker 2: they would talk about unifying, regardless of regardless of of

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Speaker 2: somebody's background. And he has he has won his presidency

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Speaker 2: twice over by dividing our country, and no one really

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Speaker 2: denies that. Okay, you don't call the media the enemy

539
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Speaker 2: of the state. Okay, you don't say us and them

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Speaker 2: and make it out that the radical left is now

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Speaker 2: the most violent, Like get the fuck out of here?

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Speaker 2: Are people really that stupid? Radical on either side is

543
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Speaker 2: not good? Okay? That's the turn, That's what radical means.

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Speaker 2: So stop trying to convince us of that, and and

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Speaker 2: stop dividing us. So if you the buck stops there,

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Speaker 2: the buck stops there. This is what happens. Okay when

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Speaker 2: you divide people, most people, most nine probably probably ninety

548
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Speaker 2: nine point nine percent of human beings can handle discourse.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe a smaller number, maybe ninety five percent of

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Speaker 2: people can handle discourse. Okay, But when the discourse becomes

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Speaker 2: just unbelieve like, you know, calling for people to be shot,

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Speaker 2: calling for people to be locked up, calling for people

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Speaker 2: to be uh, for all of these things, for a

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Speaker 2: nation to be divided, the wrong brain functioning the wrong

555
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Speaker 2: way thinks I just shoot that guy and that ends that,

556
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Speaker 2: Like what and the Again, I don't know the laws

557
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Speaker 2: that you taught, but I'm guessing pretty lax, pretty lenient, right,

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00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: a lot of freedom in that state. Not hard to

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Speaker 2: get a gun. But dude, if you want to tell

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Speaker 2: me that we're divided, I would agree with you. If

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Speaker 2: you want to ask why you know the If you

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Speaker 2: don't think that's the answer, I can't really help you

563
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Speaker 2: because you're starting from a place where I don't think

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Speaker 2: you're being honest.

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Speaker 7: And I think that if you if your first instinct

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Speaker 7: after watching somebody get shot down in cold blood murger,

567
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Speaker 7: broad daylight murder, it was go on social media to

568
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Speaker 7: do some kind of victory lap for your side.

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Speaker 2: Of the Oh, you're just the worst.

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Speaker 7: You need to look in the mirror because like and

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Speaker 7: ask yourself this though, what do I stand for as

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Speaker 7: a human being? And I'm not saying what do I

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Speaker 7: stand for? Politically? And I know people get that mixed

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Speaker 7: up because people now think that their political identity identifies

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Speaker 7: them as a person. And that's why you get justified

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Speaker 7: antics this in the wake of murderers. Look yourself in

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Speaker 7: the mirror and say what do I stand for as

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Speaker 7: a human being? Because a father of two and a

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Speaker 7: husband was murdered at thirty one years old. So the

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Speaker 7: general lack of humanity and society, the the I guess

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Speaker 7: the whitewater wake of the you didn't play sports card

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Speaker 7: and then people doing math on live TV.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I think that you didn't. I mean, what's annoying?

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Speaker 7: There's no wrong answers here.

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Speaker 2: No, they're all annoying. They're all annoying. I would say

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Speaker 2: the victor, the victory lap, the people's reactions. Honestly, there's

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Speaker 2: you know, people's reactions to this murder is to say,

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Speaker 2: the least annoy I.

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Speaker 7: Do because we can. So the key is welcome Kevin

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Speaker 7: Hart onto the podcast. Kevin Hart is from Philadelphia. I

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Speaker 7: don't know if anybody knows that because you rarely see

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Speaker 7: him at big Philadelphia sporting events. You never quite see

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Speaker 7: him sporting in Philadelphia sports gear. But he's from Philadelphia,

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Speaker 7: I guess, and he pulls for those teams. Jason Kelsey,

595
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Speaker 7: a part of the podcast was an Eagle and then

596
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Speaker 7: the Eagles beat the Chiefs and in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: They're going to talk about on this clip the difference

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Speaker 7: in fans between the Link where the Eagles play and Arrowhead.

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Speaker 9: Who has a better stadium experience Arrowhead of the Link.

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Speaker 10: I think I think that Arrowhead's a little safer, right,

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Speaker 10: I think.

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Speaker 2: It's a.

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Speaker 7: Little bit happier.

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Speaker 10: I think I can see some fans. I can see

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Speaker 10: some fans in Arrowhead, and I can wear an Eagles

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Speaker 10: jersey and a fan and Arrowhead may say good luck today,

607
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Speaker 10: and I may say good luck. Barbecue, They'll say good

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Speaker 10: good luck today, and I'll go, fuck you right. It's

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Speaker 10: just it's just because it's just because of the way

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Speaker 10: that I was raised at Philadelphia.

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Speaker 9: There's nothing more different than than the noise of the

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Speaker 9: Link and the noise of Arrowhead. Like Arrowhead, you're screaming,

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Speaker 9: I mean, you're you feel the rumble. You feel the

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Speaker 9: rumble at the link. You hear more of.

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Speaker 1: A strategy.

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Speaker 7: You're just strategy.

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Speaker 8: Can not say anything mean.

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Speaker 4: So it's just let's just make it as much noise.

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Speaker 2: Fine. Philly's like, hey, we gotta keep this noise now

620
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Speaker 2: because I gotta tell this rates Kevin, fuck your mother.

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Speaker 2: You heard me. Some of that stuff was the fake

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Speaker 2: laughter at the start, made up for both the real

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Speaker 2: laughter and kind of the uncomfortable laughter at the end.

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Speaker 2: Why can we play for you? Because we can. That's

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Speaker 2: it for the end. The Bonus Podcast. She got the

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Speaker 2: radio show every day, every single day, three to five

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Speaker 2: Eastern tet Topecific, Fox Sports Tradio. I heard radio Up'm

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Speaker 2: Doug Godlig