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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sada Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick. We are

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Speaker 1: two weeks to opening day. Less than that. When people

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Speaker 1: are listening to this, I feel like we don't have

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Speaker 1: like this. We came into this camp kind of knowing

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Speaker 1: twenty four of the twenty six spots on the roster.

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Speaker 1: There was a little shake up obviously with Tyler Austin

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Speaker 1: getting hurt, but I think we kind of feel like

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Speaker 1: Michael Confordo just kind of slots into that bench spot,

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Speaker 1: veteran guy that they signed. Let's not write him in

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Speaker 1: with ink just yet, but close. But there's a bullpen

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Speaker 1: spot and then a fight for that final outfielder and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of heating up. I guess, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think these final two weeks will matter. But there are

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Speaker 1: three names too well, I guess one of them just

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Speaker 1: got sent down. Ryan Ralis, Yeah, that's I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: What do you like? What do you have on the

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Speaker 2: pitching side. You usually have a good feel.

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Speaker 3: For kind of that group, and there are a couple

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Speaker 3: of names that we had kind of the latest in MESA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Rolinson had a great spring, and I think

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Speaker 1: Craig Council, I know Craig Counsel has nothing but good

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Speaker 1: things to say about that. They put a lot on

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Speaker 1: his plate. Uh, he's learning two new pitches. I think

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Speaker 1: It's like I'm feeling a little off here. He's going

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Speaker 1: to continue to work on that. The benefit of the

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Speaker 1: benefit for the team, the drawback for the player of

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Speaker 1: having an option is they can send him down. They

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Speaker 1: like him. I think he's going to be a part

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Speaker 1: But he was sent down today, that's Thursday, along with

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Speaker 1: a few other players. But you know, I think he

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Speaker 1: see how they're doing in the minors, been the Cubs

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Speaker 1: and someone I wouldn't be shocked if he's one of

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Speaker 1: the lefties first called upon. Beyond that, I think it's

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Speaker 1: like there's one spot in the bullpen. I think it's

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Speaker 1: between Colin Snyder, who had an amazing twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: upside here. I think coming into this spring, there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of people I wouldn't say with the cubs

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Speaker 1: They would have said Corbyn Martin kind of has that stuff,

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Speaker 1: Because if they're not, we want him. It's not quite

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Speaker 1: Like I want to preface all this like it's spring training.

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Speaker 1: Can't take too much away from results, but there are

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Speaker 1: He was touching ninety seven pretty regularly, sitting ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Craig Council, other people, the decision makers. They see that

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Speaker 1: Patrick Martin has an opt out right at the end

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Martin does have a bit of pedigree.

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Speaker 3: You know, he has a second round pick in the

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Speaker 3: of one of those major, like deadline deals that kind

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Speaker 3: especially when you are hoping it translated into those shorter

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Speaker 2: I've been.

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Speaker 3: Listening to a lot of Craig Council sessions from when

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Speaker 3: my stay in Mesa, just to kind of catch up

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Speaker 3: work ahead and preserving depth was just this consistent theme

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Speaker 3: of like, when you're thinking about all of these things,

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Speaker 3: the forty man roster as possible. In that contract stuff matters,

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Speaker 3: opt outs matter. As he likes to say, you're setting

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Speaker 3: the roster for one day. The roster always is changing.

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Speaker 3: It is a fluid situation on every team in every season,

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Speaker 2: Hearing stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: And just knowing how they operate and looking at some

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Speaker 3: of he always stresses too, is that injuries happen.

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Speaker 2: Stuff happens. You never know when you show up to

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Speaker 3: But as it stands, knock On Woods has been a

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Speaker 3: pretty smooth, healthy camp And if that continues, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: you're closer to it right now. It seems like those

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Speaker 3: guys that the options are just going up. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: That would be my Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they're really happy with what Ben Brown's done.

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Speaker 1: like that. That's the way I look at it. I

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Speaker 1: That's the way I see it. The outfield battle between

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Speaker 1: He's hitting well. I get different reports on their defensive value.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's something that they're looking at that is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems to be another sort of like chalk pick.

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Speaker 3: But again, this is one of those where like we

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Speaker 2: Of year and decisions have to be made.

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Speaker 3: But like if you're the Cubs, you know you don't

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Speaker 3: you're helping Pete starts like one hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Kevin Alcantara, I don't know if you're hearing anything

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Speaker 2: This could be his like chance.

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Speaker 1: Right, because he's his option is done after this year.

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Speaker 1: He's got no more options, I believe. I'm corrected, I believe. So,

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Speaker 1: we're just going to stick him out there and play

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Speaker 1: be an interesting decision. They like him, They obviously like

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Speaker 1: this is a guy with upside and you want to

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Speaker 1: right now there's not a spot for him obviously, And

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Speaker 1: it like I think it's fun to talk about this,

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Speaker 1: like fans like really pay attention to the results. Here's

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