1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Huddle Up. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Jaguars. Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst and former 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P. Shadwick bring 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: you the latest on yours Jacksonville Jaguars. 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Huddle Up starts right now. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 3: Welcome into another edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: JP Shadrick with John Ojer. We're at the Miller Electric 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: Center at the Hundai Studios in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks with 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: us in Los Angeles, and we are closing in on 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: free agency, one week away from the start of the 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: league year free agency. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: We'll get to all that coming up. Bucky, Good afternoon. 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: How are you. What's up man? 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 4: I'm good. How you guys doing good? 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Ready for some football things to happen. 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: It's all the anticipation John is building up, but I 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 3: don't know for what for the Jaguars. 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: There might not be a lot going on. 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, most Jaguars fans body clocks tell them right 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 5: now to be readying for a frenzy because, unfortunately for 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 5: this franchise, for what fifteen years since we've been doing 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 5: a JP together, you know, eleven or twelve of the 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 5: marches have been frenzied signing, sort of desperate at times 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 5: to fill needs, wanting immediate impact, and I think they'll 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 5: be a small amount of that, but it's it's gonna 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 5: be really light and you know, we get into it later. 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 5: But I think philosophically for Jaguars fans, they need to 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 5: look at this offseason, even the draft a little bit 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 5: as maybe view twenty five and twenty six as two 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 5: off seasons of building. And they did a lot of 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 5: work last offseason, meaning twenty five, that has to sustain 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 5: them moving forward. Guys like Hainsey and Murray and Jordan Lewis, 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 5: the guys they got who helped. There's not going to 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 5: be an in like that, but guess what they were 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 5: thirteen and four. It's best if you don't need in 36 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 5: fuxes like that. So I think they are now a 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 5: team that can let's calm the cap down. Let's calm 38 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 5: it down and be steady and be more normal, Bucky. 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 5: That's what it feels like to me. 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it feels like they're in a good spot. 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 6: And the thing that I like about the approach the 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 6: Jaguars are seemingly taken is they're not using last year 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 6: as a thing where a we're good, we're gonna run 44 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 6: it back. I think internally there's a desire to build 45 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 6: a better team, and they're not going to necessarily be 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 6: impacted by the results that took place last year going 47 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 6: thirteen and four, And so to me, that means always 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 6: kind of maintaining or establishing a high standard for how 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 6: they want the team to operate, the players they want 50 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 6: to bring in, and ultimately the way that we want 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 6: to perform on the grass. And so I don't think 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 6: they're going to be beholden to some of the things 53 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 6: that normally would lead teams to kind of keep the 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 6: core intact. I do believe there's certain guys that he 55 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 6: want to retain, but also believe that they're looking to 56 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 6: ultimately improve the team via free agency and also the draft. 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: And some of the guys on the team can develop 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: and grow and fill some of those roles as well. 59 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: In theory, right, if the coaching is there to help 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: those guys get better, and you know, especially like the 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: linebacker position per se. 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 7: Right to me, that's the major thing. 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 5: I think linebackers where we may see, you know, with 64 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 5: those three third round picks, it feels like inside linebacker 65 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 5: is a sweet spot there. Bucky can speak more to 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 5: that because, as you know, he is king of the draft. 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 5: So I'm sorry for jumping on that, you know, stealing 68 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 5: your thunder their buck. But I think more of the 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 5: theme for the Jaguars next year is mylem Bransaw and 70 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: Hunter and more rookies Manheim and you know, Basehelle Tuten. 71 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 5: But look, okay, the secondary can easily improve on that. 72 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 5: I mean, it needs to improve from last year. But 73 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 5: Ranso on Hunter, if those two guys are what they 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 5: think they are, second year improvement in this league, Bucky, 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 5: to me is how the good teams often get better. 76 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 5: And to me, that feels like my major storyline early 77 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 5: in the season next season. 78 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, the biggest jump that most players make is from 79 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 6: their first to second year. They have an understanding of 80 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 6: the league. They have a full offseason dedicated to improvement 81 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 6: because they're not worried about the combine and getting ready 82 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 6: for draft stuff. So that's typically when you see young 83 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 6: guys really make a dramatic leap as it relates to 84 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 6: the secondary. Yeah, Ransaw and Hunter need to be major 85 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 6: contributors in year two. And then when you talk about 86 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 6: the linebacker position. Sometimes, man, you're fortunate that your needs 87 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 6: align to one of the strong spots in the draft. 88 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 6: And this year the linebacker class is really good, and 89 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 6: it's really good. 90 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 4: At the value that you're talking about second and third round. 91 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 6: There are a lot of guys that kind of fit 92 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 6: that will be interesting to the Jaguars, particularly as we 93 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 6: talk about a team that really likes production, they really 94 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 6: like guys with the intangible qualities. 95 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys. 96 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 6: That are gonna be in that second or third round 97 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 6: range that can come in and make major contributions right 98 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 6: away for the Jacks. 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 5: Yeah to me, and again, kidding aside, Bucky has much 100 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 5: more insight into how guys are gonna fit at what 101 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 5: levels of the draft right now. But in theory, it 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: feels like the needs that are gonna crop up in 103 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 5: the next couple weeks. I don't think Etn is coming back, 104 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 5: and I don't think Devin Lloyd's coming back. 105 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 7: I don't know about Monetic Brown. 106 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: But okay, say you have to fill those three in 107 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 5: the draft, well, third, you know, second and third round. 108 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 5: In this day and age, you're supposed to be able 109 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: to get opposite corner, you know, the second you're running 110 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 5: back inside linebacker. I understand Devin Lloyd and etn. You know, 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 5: our connect points for fans because of their numbers last year, 112 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 5: their impact. But when you're building a roster in this 113 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 5: day and age, most gms would tell you we ought 114 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 5: to be able to get running back inside linebacker, you know, 115 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 5: not premier corner. We ought to be able to get 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 5: that second and third round and if we can't, then 117 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 5: you're franchised in trouble because you can't draft everything in 118 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 5: the first round. 119 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 6: Now, let's say this because the guy used to work 120 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 6: for a long time and in the aposence, Bill Poling 121 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 6: used to say, you always want to have a roster 122 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 6: where we spot the ball, we can line up and play. 123 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 6: So justin thinking about that approach with the defense, if 124 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 6: you think about Jarian Jones, Jordan Lewis, Travis Hunter coming back, 125 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 6: we can line up and play right away if we 126 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 6: had to with those three guys on the field. 127 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: So it's not necessarily the pressure to say, hey, we. 128 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 6: Got to go out and get a corner with our 129 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 6: second round pick or our third round pick. They still 130 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 6: have the freedom to be able to to let the 131 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 6: board play out and take the best player available. You 132 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 6: could say the same on defense, like Devin Lloyd is 133 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 6: a big loss because of. 134 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 4: What he was able to do last year with the 135 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: splash plays. 136 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 6: But if you had to line up with Foyer and Venturoromiller, 137 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 6: you could do that. But I'm telling you there are 138 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 6: guys that line up at both of those positions that 139 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 6: will allow us to be able to get it done. 140 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 6: And then they're running back and losing Travis ten you 141 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 6: have to you have Laquinn Allen. But if we're looking 142 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 6: at the drafts, there's some guys that fall into that 143 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 6: sweet spot that can make it happen. So I'm very, 144 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 6: very confident that in spite losing some really talented contributors, 145 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 6: I think the Jags would be okay. 146 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 4: I think they can replace those. 147 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 6: Guys with guys that can give them, I won't say 148 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 6: necessarily an upgrade, but certainly can give them the kind 149 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 6: of production that they're gonna need to be a team 150 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 6: that we want to be next year. 151 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 5: Fans are super anxious and even angry already that oh, 152 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 5: why wouldn't they resign Etiam, Why wouldn't they resign Lloyd? 153 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 5: You good teams have to do this. You can't keep everybody, 154 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 5: and most off seasons you're gonna have one or two. 155 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 5: You're gonna have some losses like this, having them happen 156 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 5: at those positions where you're not trying to go find 157 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 5: your left tackle, You're not trying to go find your 158 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 5: A one corner, You're trying to go find your quarterback. 159 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: You know. 160 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 5: So if you're going to have turnover, these positions are 161 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 5: the position to do it. The one X factor that 162 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 5: I don't know this offseason is they need penetrating defensive tackle. 163 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 5: That's the one that's hard to find in the third 164 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 5: round of the draft, you know. So that's sort of 165 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 5: my I'm anxious to see how they try to address that. 166 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: A lot of teams need it, Bucky, I mean, that's 167 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: that's the need that every team would like to fill. 168 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Where do you find those guys? 169 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 7: Probably not in the third round. 170 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 6: Now, it's hard to find those guys in a third round, 171 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 6: but there'll be some guys. 172 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 5: It depends on like how all these guys are good guys. 173 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, it depends on how the whole you are 174 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 6: to certain standards in terms of like physical dimensions in 175 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 6: those things. Because what happens with each round like the 176 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 6: guys that fall typically it's production or they don't meet 177 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 6: a standard that some teams have and other teams want. 178 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: So it can be done. 179 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 6: But I think the one thing that I've learned and 180 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 6: being around glassed On and talk to Lina corn or whatever, like, 181 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 6: there's very specific guys and types that they want and 182 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 6: a lot of times it's not the physical, it's more 183 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 6: de mental on how they fit in. And so we 184 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 6: have seen when you look at the secondary just because 185 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 6: Jarian Jones and Travis Hunter and Jordaan and Lewis are 186 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 6: all built differently, but they all play well. 187 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 4: So I think it's more mindset than anything. 188 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, but there are guys that we can find that 189 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 6: come in and make it happen, because it happens each 190 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 6: and every year. 191 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 3: Jaguars did, by the way, sign re sign a tight 192 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: end earlier this week on Wednesday, actually Quint Morris. Reports 193 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: came out that they sign a one year deal with 194 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: him work. 195 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 5: Up to three milli next week, but yeah, it'll certainly 196 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 5: for our purposes. 197 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: Reports are it's a one year deal for three million dollars. 198 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: He played in fourteen games last year, mainly a special 199 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: teams in blocking tied end, had a few catches, had 200 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: a touchdown in the final game of the regular season. 201 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: Entering his fifth year in the league. This is you know, 202 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: whenever this becomes official March eleventh, Bucky. It's a piece 203 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: that it was important for a number of different games 204 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: last year when the front end guys were either banged 205 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: up or off the unavailable or whatever, and Morris an 206 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 3: important part of what. 207 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: They do in a couple of different phases. 208 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, if anything, like when people are fretting about some 209 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 6: of the guys that we potentially be losing, I think 210 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 6: we should have a lot of confidence given the number 211 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 6: of backups that had to play last year in terms 212 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 6: of the development approach of the coaching staff. 213 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: So, Quinn Morris to me, is. 214 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 6: A guy that embodies what the Jaguars are trying to 215 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 6: do when it comes to developing the young guys and 216 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 6: then clearing a path for them to get on the field. 217 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 6: He filled in admirably when and Strange and some of 218 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 6: the other guys were out. So I like the fact 219 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 6: that we were able to resign them, and to resign 220 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 6: them on the cheap. You get the best of both worlds. 221 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 6: A good player in your system who doesn't really break 222 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 6: the bank when it comes to how much he costs. 223 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, your team is often built. 224 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 5: It's obviously built on your stars, but having guys like 225 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 5: Quinton Morris as your depth, this is sort of the 226 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 5: hidden work of a free agency, if you will, getting 227 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 5: guys like this back maintain continuity. 228 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 7: They know what he. 229 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 5: Is, and he certainly is a guy who exemplified what 230 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 5: they were about last year. JP We talked about it 231 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 5: a lot, their willingness to have guys earn their way in. 232 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 5: This is a guy who was on the practice squad 233 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 5: to start the season. You sort of knew he was 234 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: one of those practice squad guys who they wanted around 235 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 5: but didn't quite have room in the fifty three, and 236 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 5: he earned his way into being a key guy, which 237 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 5: was very indicative of what they did. So he's a 238 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 5: in this version of the Jaguars. He's a Jaguars guy. 239 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you earn it, you're gonna play, And that's what 240 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 3: they've said throughout and they proved that a number of 241 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: times this season. The leadership of the team according to 242 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: Ryan o'haller and two hundred and fourteen offensive snaps for him, 243 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three special team snaps for Morris 244 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: and reports coming out that he will resign with the Jaguars. 245 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: Although the Jaguars will return to the Bank in twenty 246 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: twenty six, plenty is happening behind the scenes, of course. 247 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: Construction for Stadium in the Future is ongoing and it 248 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: is extensive as we look out the window right now, 249 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: and we want you to be prepared when you arrive 250 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: at the Bank for a game in twenty twenty six. 251 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: All construction updates and other Stadium in the Future news 252 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: available at Jaguars dot com slash Stadium of the Future. 253 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: It's Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, JP, Shadwick, John Osier 254 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: with Yes, Bucky Brooks, who, by the way, I had 255 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: a fantastic interview with Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence. It's 256 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: available with the Jaguars YouTube page and Jaguars dot Com. 257 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: Eight minutes with the with the guys. 258 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: Bucky, well done. 259 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 4: Oh, I appreciate it, man. It was a lot of fun. 260 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 6: And I'm gonna say this, and I think it's like 261 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 6: a Captain Obvious moment. 262 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 4: It's a lot of fun. When your team wins. 263 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 6: You can have good conversations with the guys. When you 264 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 6: won a lot of games, and so it was fun 265 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 6: to have Liam and Trevor there talking about their evolution, 266 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 6: talking about their individual and personal growth, and I mean 267 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 6: their individual and collective growth, and then how the team 268 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 6: improves while looking ahead to next year and how they 269 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 6: can get better and how it can be even that 270 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 6: much more difficult to kind of accomplish some of the 271 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 6: things they were accomplished, is shoe. 272 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 5: But you talked some Bucky, and I think we talked 273 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 5: right after you get done talking to him, and I 274 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 5: think you were really struck by. 275 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,359 Speaker 7: How their relationship grew and developed. 276 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 5: And I don't want to say that it was you know, 277 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 5: rocky at the start, because I don't want to. 278 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 7: I don't think that's right. 279 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 5: But they certainly meshed and I think got to the 280 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 5: point where they really thrived on the other's personality, bringing 281 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 5: out something in them that they don't have, meaning Trevor's 282 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 5: you know, Coen sort of influenced Trevor's fire, and I 283 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 5: think I think to a point there's probably times when 284 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 5: Trevor probably calms Liam down a little bit. Hey, you know, 285 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 5: we all remember the you know, uh, the wave. 286 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 7: But they're sort of good. 287 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 5: I think it's easy when you succeed to say everything 288 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 5: is sort of going in the right direction, but it 289 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 5: does feel like they compliment each other. And I don't 290 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 5: think you can underestimate the way that Liam coached Trevor 291 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 5: and the confidence that he gave him when he basically 292 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 5: once Trevor realized that, hey, this guy believes in me. 293 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 294 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 4: No. 295 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 6: I think my biggest takeaway in conduct in the interview 296 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 6: and then talking to Trevor and Liam individually afterwards, is 297 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 6: before you can coach Trevor, and this is really common 298 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 6: for most players, there has to be a connection that's developed. 299 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 6: You have to have a relationship before you can get 300 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 6: the best out of him. 301 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: I didn't know how much. 302 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 6: Of a people person that he is and how he 303 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 6: needs that connection to be able to be at his best. 304 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: But in talking to Trevor and listening and watching his 305 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: interactions with Lim, you. 306 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 6: Could tell that it meant a lot to him that 307 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 6: Liam first met the player the person, and then began 308 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 6: to coach the player, meaning that he spent a lot 309 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 6: of time building a relationship with Trevor that didn't have 310 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 6: anything to do with Paul, and then because they were 311 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 6: so connected in that regard, it allowed the coaching to 312 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 6: go to another level when they got on the grass 313 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 6: and started doing their thing. And because Trevor kind of 314 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 6: appreciates that, I think that trust allowed Liam to coach 315 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 6: him hard without it being a personal thing. And I 316 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 6: also think because there was this mutual respect and admiration 317 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 6: for one another, he began to take on some of 318 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 6: the feistiness that Liam exudes. And I think that can 319 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 6: only be done when there's a high level of trust 320 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 6: and respect between player and coach. 321 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: Yes, so what happens when you get hard coaching when 322 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: there's not that trust and respect, you. 323 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 6: Begin to tune it out, becomes white noise. And I 324 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 6: think if you hear any great coach, I mean I've 325 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 6: heard Saban talk about this. I think it was a 326 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 6: parent with both teams that were in the Super Bowl. 327 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: The amount of time that you have to invest in. 328 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 6: The connectivity of everything and having great communication and having 329 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 6: a care factor where players really believe that you care 330 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 6: about them beyond what they can do on the field. 331 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: That's when you can go to the next level. 332 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 6: And people always talk about family, and football is different, 333 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 6: particularly at the pro level, because you basically have I 334 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 6: guess sixty nine independent contractors doing their own thing. But 335 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 6: the best teams are able to kind of put that 336 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 6: aside and say, hey, let's play. 337 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: For a bigger cause. 338 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 6: And the only way you can get that is guys 339 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 6: have to truly believe that you're in it for them 340 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 6: and not for what they can do. It has to 341 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 6: be transformation, it can't be transactional. And I think Trevor 342 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 6: appreciates that part in Liam's personality, that there was this 343 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 6: transformational presence that he was able to provide on the sideline. 344 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 3: I still one of my favorite parts of last season, 345 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: though there's a lot of favorite parts. 346 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: It was a fantastic run. Plus they had the discussion. 347 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: That continued as the season long, and Liam was finally like, 348 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: you know, hey man, we're here, like, just. 349 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Let it rip. Let it go. 350 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: And then Trevor lets it rip and throws three picks 351 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: the next game. I mean that then they find a 352 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: way to win. And but that went a long way 353 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: to the stretch run. That's that's the really the one 354 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: for me that stands out the most. 355 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 5: John, Yeah, and even Trevor. It's funny how players can 356 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 5: just talk about things during the season. Then after Trevor 357 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 5: was asked about that, some during the season. But I 358 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 5: thought in his post season press conference outside his locker 359 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 5: you were, you know, on the day after the Bills game, 360 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 5: he got into it a little more in depth and 361 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 5: really revealed that the you know, Liam necessarily the conversation 362 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 5: of hey, let it rip. You know, that'll be in 363 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 5: the movie when they make the Trevor Liam movie in 364 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 5: twenty five years. But that moment and then the backing 365 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 5: up of it, and it felt like Trevor over the 366 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 5: course of the season realized more and more, Okay, this 367 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 5: guy's genuine. He really does believe in me. He's gotten 368 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: my back. All those cliches, but that stuff is real 369 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 5: when you're out there making decisions of hey, I can 370 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 5: trust myself. If I throw four hundred passes, five of 371 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 5: them are going to get picked and the. 372 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 7: Coach is not going to roll his eyes at it. 373 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 5: When I come off the field. We're as one as 374 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 5: much as you can be. And you know, as as 375 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 5: a writer, you always looked for like holes in stories, right, Oh, well, 376 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 5: that's just kind of stuff they're saying. That was the 377 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 5: story of the season to me, and it was real 378 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 5: and you could certainly see it in Trevor and as 379 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 5: soon as that Arizona game happened and he realized Liam 380 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 5: had his back. It was a different kid, and it 381 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 5: was a different team. It's a different quarterback. 382 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 383 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 6: I think there was a great coaching job by Liam, 384 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 6: because it's one thing to say he let it rip. 385 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 6: It's another thing to not have bad reactions that. 386 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 4: When they're letting it rip and it's going to. 387 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: Internally, yeah, it's thinking a little differently like yeah. 388 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 6: But but I felt like that was really the turning 389 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 6: point for Trevor, and I remember us having the conversation 390 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 6: the next week on Huddle Up where I told you, like, man, 391 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 6: I've never seen him respond like that, Like, even though 392 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 6: he turning the ball over, it's one of the few 393 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 6: times that I've seen Trevor undaunted by his mistakes, Like 394 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 6: he went out there and courageously would make more high 395 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 6: difficulty degree passes and not blinking. And so I felt like, 396 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 6: just Liam allowing him to a man living and make 397 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 6: the mistakes, We're okay, we got you. 398 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 4: To me. 399 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 6: That's a tremendous amount of confidence and respect that a 400 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 6: coach can give to a player, and I think every 401 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 6: player wants to be able to play freely on the field, 402 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 6: and for Liam, given his background as a former collegiate 403 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 6: quarterback and all that, I think he understands what that 404 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 6: does for a player, and so hats off to him 405 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 6: for being able to understand and recognize what his player 406 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 6: needed at that moment and letting Trevor just look man, 407 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 6: just sling it without consequence. 408 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 7: Yeah. 409 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 5: I think it was after that game in Arizona, or 410 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 5: either at his Wednesday press or afterward, because if you 411 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 5: want to quarterbacks, start to talk two or three times, 412 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 5: then decompress the game, then move on. But I think 413 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: it was after the game that he said, hey, I'm 414 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 5: going to you know, because he was still at that point. 415 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 5: The questions in the post game hadn't really turned to where, 416 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 5: oh this kid's good. It was more well, oh oh 417 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 5: you had three picks? What an awful game? How did 418 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 5: you overcome it? So I guess it was a post 419 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 5: game and he said, he goes, I'm not gonna play 420 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 5: scared out there, And when he said it, I sort 421 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 5: of thought to myself, Okay, he's sort of. 422 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 7: Telling himself that, which you have to. 423 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 5: But you know, it became real, and that was very 424 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 5: much a transition point. You sort of wonder if when 425 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 5: he was saying that he was maybe sort of trying 426 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 5: to convince himself that he wasn't going to do it 427 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 5: anymore and play scared. But then it became this internal belief. 428 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 5: And again it was a remarkable moment that out of 429 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 5: changed the trajectorycause they we already good, but it certainly 430 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 5: accelerated this team into elite. 431 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 3: We saw some glimpses of that back in twenty two 432 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: in the stats run. You know, obviously in the playoff 433 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: game against the Chargers, you know, you had to let 434 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: it fly. But then on this consistent of a basis, No, 435 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 3: this is the building of something. I think with those 436 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: two so check it out. Trevor Lawrence Willam Cohen interviewed 437 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: by Greenoks, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube. 438 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people shooting it. 439 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 3: They had like sliding cameras and all these lights and things. 440 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 441 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we heads off to Gabby Dalton for cutting it 442 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: and put it together. 443 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 5: We had people in there, you know, we had a 444 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 5: lot of people. I'm not even trying new everybody. 445 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 7: It was impressive. It was an impressive display of manpower 446 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 7: on our part. 447 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely. I feel like that was my sixty minutes moment, 448 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 4: I felt like Ed. 449 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 6: Bradley, like I felt like I had all the Glam squad, 450 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 6: the full team, making sure that the interview looked good. 451 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: But now it was. 452 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 6: Great, and it was really great to get to know 453 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 6: them on a deeper level and to watch them really interact. 454 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think if people. 455 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 6: Tune in and watch man the connection that they have, 456 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 6: I think you can feel it because when I'm in 457 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 6: their presence, there's a genuine admiration and respect for one another. 458 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 6: And I think that certainly comes out when they play, because. 459 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 4: That's the only way to get the best out of Trevor. 460 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 6: And I think Liam is kind of cracked the code, 461 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 6: and so I'm looking forward to seeing how Trevor continues 462 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 6: to evolve on this two of us. 463 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: Last couple of moments with you here, Bucky on this 464 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks podcast on Wednesday, March fourth, Hey, a. 465 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: Couple of notes from around the league. What stands out 466 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: the most this week? 467 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: What the Cardinals are gonna cut Kyler Murray, Max Trosby, 468 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: where is he going? 469 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: Who's gonna pay the two number ones? 470 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson didn't get tagged in Cincinnati? 471 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: Well, it stands out the most to. 472 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 6: You, Well, it's a quarterback Carosel, right, because everyone understands 473 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 6: that without a quarterback, you don't have a chance. And 474 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 6: because I'll say this, coming away from the combine an 475 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 6: underwhelming quarterback class, you know what, everything about Fernando Mendoza 476 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 6: and the others, I think that is going to drive 477 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 6: a lot of people to look to the veteran market 478 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 6: to see if they can have the Sam Donald redemption story. 479 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 6: Kyler Murray goes to the front of the class given 480 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 6: the fact that he's a former number one overall pick, 481 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 6: he's a former offensive Rookie of the Year, two time 482 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 6: Pro bowler. He's kind of the bell of the ball 483 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 6: when it comes to the quarterbacks. But you also have 484 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 6: Geno Smith and Daniel Jones is on a transition tag, 485 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 6: and people are even talking about mac Jones. Just seeing 486 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 6: where these older quarterbacks end up. I think that's gonna 487 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 6: be important because I don't get the sense that people 488 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 6: are fired up about the incoming rookie class and what 489 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 6: they can do to change the plight of our franchise. 490 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting, I mean, I mean, the evidence suggests 491 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 5: that we are absolutely in an era, in an era 492 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 5: of reck for quarterbacks, and the league is really starting 493 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 5: to grasp, maybe even before observers, that it's it's gonna 494 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 5: take time with some of these guys. And I think 495 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 5: that's getting more into the water of the league, people realizing, oh, 496 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 5: you know, just because Donald didn't make it here, or 497 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 5: just because even our guy Trevor Lawrence, just because it 498 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 5: was rocky at times. You know, Trevor Lawrence and Sam 499 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 5: Donald sort of had similar seasons. It's just that Trevor 500 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 5: never went anywhere, you know. 501 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 7: And so. 502 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 5: I guess, Bucky, my question is, do you feel like 503 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 5: more teams are are optimistic when they give a quarterback 504 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 5: a second chance rather than just sort of holding their breath, 505 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 5: if that makes any sense. 506 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: None. 507 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 6: No, I think they're more people with optimism. And I'm 508 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 6: gonna say this because it's been passed down originally from 509 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 6: Al Davis to Ron to all the people that I 510 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 6: worked for when I was scouting. They always talk about, man, 511 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 6: when a quarterback is drafted in the first round, there's 512 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 6: a reason why they were taken in the first round. 513 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 6: Somebody saw a level of talent, someone believed that there was. 514 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 4: Something in the end that could be accomplished. 515 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 6: And even though it may not happen in their first 516 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 6: destination or even their second destination, that talent doesn't leave. 517 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 6: And so your job is to at least kick the 518 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 6: tires to see if a new environment, a new scheme, 519 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 6: a new voice can unlock some of the potential that's inside. 520 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 6: Given what we saw from Sam Donald, given what we've 521 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 6: seen from Baker Mayfield and some of the other quarterbacks, 522 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 6: even Daniel Jones to a lesser degree in Indianapolis, they're 523 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 6: going to be more people that take on those projects 524 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 6: because they believe, hey, man, right fit, right scheme, right 525 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 6: players around them, maybe we can. 526 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: Get the best of a quarterback. 527 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 6: And that's going to encourage more people to take chances 528 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 6: on some of these veteran journeymen. 529 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 5: Okay, so two part question as we close it out, 530 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 5: and I'm asking because I don't no, I don't have 531 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 5: a great feel for either guy. Do you think I'm 532 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: not a huge Kyler Murray guy? But do you think 533 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 5: that he can resurrect? And then what are the Colts 534 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 5: quarterback situation going to look like moving forward? Probably briefly 535 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 5: on Kyler because he's not in this division, but I 536 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 5: think both of them are fascinating Becausekyler clearly has talent, 537 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 5: and yet it just sort of seems always sort of 538 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 5: lost with that franchise lately. I don't know. 539 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 6: I think Kyler is very similar to Trevor in terms 540 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 6: of the kind of coach that he needs to unlock 541 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 6: the best in him. Look, man, you're not a guy 542 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 6: who was a remarkable athlete. Some would say he's the 543 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 6: best high school football player in Texas history given his resume. 544 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 6: Then to be drafted as a first round pick, a 545 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 6: top ten pick in baseball will also be in the 546 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 6: number one overall pick in football. That's the kind of 547 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 6: talent that you're speaking of. What is really got into 548 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 6: him of late the last three years. I think he's 549 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 6: missed twenty seven games due to injury the first three seasons. 550 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 6: You're talking about offense, rookie year and two time Pro Bowl. 551 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 4: So when he's healthy and available and certainly can play. 552 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 4: But to me, as Luda wants to weigh. 553 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 6: And have her opinion out there, So that's interesting. In Indianapolis, 554 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 6: what you have is a team that took a major 555 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 6: swing on a quarterback in number four overall, and it 556 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 6: was a swing and a miss. 557 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 4: In Anthony Richardson, and so I don't expect him to 558 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: be there. 559 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 6: They've allowed him to go look around this team if 560 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 6: they can find the trade. But regardless, this is Daniel 561 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 6: Jones team. I think what they were trying to do 562 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 6: with the transition tag is continued to the negotiation where 563 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 6: they can match whatever's put out there, but to make 564 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 6: sure that he's going to be their quarterback or earmarkt 565 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 6: enough money. 566 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: To go and get some of the other guys that 567 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 4: are available. 568 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 6: One Alec Pearster wide receiver, they're gonna have to pay 569 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 6: a boatload of money to bring him back if they can, 570 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 6: and also to get some of the other guys, namely 571 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 6: a Trey Hendrickson who has a relationship ship with their 572 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 6: defensive coordinator. 573 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: I think all of those things they'll play, but I. 574 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 6: Firmly expect Danie Jones gonna be the quarterback and Anthony 575 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 6: Bridson will be playing somewhere else. 576 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: And there'll be somebody somewhere that feels like they can 577 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 3: get the most out of Anthony Richardson as well. 578 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 6: It's just kind of I mean, or maybe but but 579 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 6: but if they do, they'll be the first to ever 580 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 6: do it. 581 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 4: And all the way back to high school. So we'll see. 582 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 6: But the talent is going to be intriguing because the 583 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 6: way he runs around or whatever. But we'll see if 584 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 6: someone can turn all the athleticism into some kind of 585 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 6: consistent performance and production. 586 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 5: Yeahlt hamstring ahead the cults you know, speak to because 587 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 5: they're in this division. What a case study for when 588 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 5: you have a quarterback, the consistency and. 589 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: The level you can reach. 590 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 5: They did it the entire time I was there with Peyton, 591 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 5: and then they get Luck and from word go, contender 592 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 5: feels stable. 593 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 594 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I could make an argument from the outside 595 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 5: that they have been really just as good a franchise 596 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 5: since Luck retired in terms of totality, talent level, competitiveness. 597 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 5: But now they've turned into the team overnight, not overnight, 598 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 5: but Luck retired way way back. But now they're the 599 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 5: team that's always looking for that guy, whereas for twenty 600 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 5: five years or whatever long it was, they were the 601 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 5: team with that guy. And the results, you know, you 602 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 5: can tell what it is. It is what this league 603 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 5: is in a microcosm right now. 604 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think the lesson to be learned from them, 605 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 6: even the brief moment that they had with Philip rivers. 606 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 6: I think it's betting on the guy before we talk 607 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 6: about the skills. I think you guys have the right 608 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 6: guy in place flaws in awe before you can win 609 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 6: at a high level. And the fact that they are, 610 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 6: I mean so smitting with Daniel Jones tells you just 611 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 6: the importance of like the character part of everything I talk. 612 00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 4: About, the work. 613 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 6: Ethic, the leadership up just to connectivity with the team, 614 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 6: I think that matters more. And I think they are 615 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 6: perfect a prime example of why you better get it 616 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 6: right on the person before you can start evaluating the player. 617 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 6: And that's why Dan Jones is coveted within the building. 618 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: All right, Bucky, Hey, next week, we'll try to tape 619 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: this podcast on Tuesday. 620 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 7: It sounds like during the tampering period. 621 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: And the pre agency opens on Wednesday. 622 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that should be fun. 623 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 6: It's gonna be a lot of fun to tampering period 624 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 6: free agent frenzy. The league never misses, think about the 625 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 6: events they continue to create. We're gonna talk about it 626 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 6: for seventy two hours before you can make a move, 627 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 6: but we're gonna make sure that everyone's on pins and 628 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 6: needles for those. 629 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 4: Seventy two hours before we get a fish. These signed 630 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 4: guys the deal. 631 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: Have a great week, Bucky. We'll talk to you next week. 632 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 4: Say Buck, all right, man, should be fun talk to you. 633 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: Brooks, John Oser, I'm JP Shadwick. 634 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 3: Thanks to Joe Fortunado and Brent Reaver, and thanks to 635 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: you for listening to huddle up with Bucky Bright.