1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to this final episode of the Inside the 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Draft podcast here in the colt Saudio Network. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 3: I'm Matt Taylor, and we've been with. 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: You every week in the months of March and April 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: draft season here bringing you high level draft conversations with 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: some of the best draftnicks in the business. We started 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: with the combine when temperatures were still in the twenties, 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 2: and now things are starting to warm up a bit 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: here in the springtime in Indianapolis and Central Indiana, and 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: the draft is just a little over one week away. 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: Coming up next week, though, Rick Venturi will join us 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: here on the colt Saudio Network for his annual Inside 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: Football podcast breaking down the draft and the top prospects 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: at some positions of need for the Indianapolis Colts. So 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: we look forward to that next week leading into Round 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: number one on Thursday night. The Colts still hold the 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: fourteenth overall pick in the draft in Round number one. 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: By the way, the Colts have twice held the fourteenth 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: overall pick. But you have to go back in the 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: day getting the time machine there a little bit once 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty three and again in nineteen sixty five. 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: The Colts head into the draft with seven picks, one 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: in each round. On Day two of the draft Friday, 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: the Colts will be picking in the second round, number 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: forty five overall, and then in the third round. 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: Number eighty overall. 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Today, we're bringing you another great draft conversation and our 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: guest on this final episode is David Hellman, who covers 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: the NFL Draft and the NFL for Fox Sports. He's 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: also the host of the NFL on Fox podcasts and 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: also spent some of his career covering the Cowboys as well. 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: And David joined myself and Jeffrey Gorman this week to 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: break down his thoughts in the Colts offseason moves at quarterback, 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: why he has a hard time trying to predict what 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: the Colts will do with their first round pick, and 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: also his predictions on how the top pick in the 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: draft will unfold. So let's get it going here, David 40 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: Hellman from Fox Sports. On this week's Inside the Draft podcast. 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 4: We welcome in David Hellman, draft insider for the NFL 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 4: on Fox as well as covers this great game on 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: Fox it has a great podcast, the NFL on Fox Podcast. 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: You must check it out. Find him out on Twitter 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 4: at David Hellman Underscore once again at David Hellman Underscore. David, 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: Being here today. 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: I'm going to get to the draft with you, but 49 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: I know you also cover the Cowboys for Fox Sports, 50 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 4: so you have an eye on the NFC East, and 51 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 4: I want to start with if you could give us 52 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 4: a once over what your thoughts are on Daniel Jones 53 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: signing with the Colts this offseason. You've seen plenty of 54 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 4: them watching the NFC East through the past years. What 55 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 4: are the Colts getting in that quarterback? 56 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny the way that your expectations and 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 5: your opinion can change when the money does. Because I've, 58 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 5: you know, nothing against him personally. I've long been a 59 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 5: critic of Daniel Jones because of the resources that were 60 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 5: put into him. You know, I didn't really buy that 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 5: he was worthy of the pick the New York Giants 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 5: spin on him at the time. It felt awfully rich 63 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: to me, as somebody that covers the draft. I was 64 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: not a fan when he got the one hundred and 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 5: sixty million dollar deal to be the Giants franchise quarterback. 66 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 5: Not to pat myself on the back, but I just 67 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 5: I didn't see that aging very well at the time. 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 5: But after all of that, the Colts land him for 69 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 5: one year, fourteen million dollars. I think, you know, very 70 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 5: reasonable money for I mean reasonable money for a qualified backup. Really, 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 5: So if it's a guy that has a chance to start, 72 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 5: I think that's an even better deal. I mean, it's 73 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 5: hard not to think about guys like Sam Darnold in 74 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 5: the recent past that have signed deals like that and 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 5: really taken it and run with it. I think Daniel 76 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: is He's obviously a very naturally talented guy. He doesn't 77 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 5: get the anywhere near the credit he deserves. 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: For his athleticism. 79 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 5: So you think about what the Colts have done in 80 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 5: the run game over the years, I think he could 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 5: be very you know, I think he could add a 82 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 5: lot to that. He's obviously played a lot of NFL football, 83 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 5: and if he's healthy, he's not a bad quarterback. I 84 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 5: just never bought that he was this top ten franchise guy. 85 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 5: But that's not what the Colts are paying him, right 86 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 5: The Colts are paying him a bargain deal. Like I 87 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 5: said to be an insurance policy or maybe a starter, 88 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 5: and I think that could really work. I think if 89 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 5: he needs to play, or if he wins the job 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 5: from Anthony Richardson, I think he could lead that offense 91 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 5: to some good places. 92 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: And I liked the deal a lot. 93 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 5: I was a little surprised the Vikings let him get 94 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 5: out of their building, to be honest with you, because 95 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 5: that seemed like it made a hell of a lot 96 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 5: of sense for them with their own young quarterback. So 97 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 5: the Colts were clearly willing to pay a little bit more, 98 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 5: and I think it was a really good decision. 99 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: We'll see how it ages. 100 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 5: Obviously there's so much anticipation and pressure on the Anthony 101 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 5: Richardson situation, but that it's not a bad card to 102 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 5: have in your back pocket at. 103 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: All Colts fans. There's some upside on Daniel Jones. We 104 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 4: hear from David Hellman again, follow him on Twitter. Acts 105 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 4: at David Hellman. Underscore quarterbacks in this NFL draft do 106 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 4: the tough two And of course I'm talking about cam 107 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: Ward and Shador Sanders. Are they gone within the first 108 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 4: ten picks of this draft? 109 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 5: I mean, cam is for sure. I am completely bought 110 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 5: in on this idea, and I know it's lying season, 111 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 5: it's smoke screen season. You never know for sure, but 112 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 5: I'm very bought in on the idea that cam Ward 113 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 5: is going to be a Titan at number one. 114 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: Shadour is a little trickier, you know. 115 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 5: I think it's there's obviously so many landing spots that 116 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 5: he could go within the top ten. 117 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: Right. Cleveland and the Giants speak for themselves. 118 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 5: I think the Saints and the Raiders, even with the 119 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: Geno Smith deal, I think the Raiders can't be completely 120 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 5: written off. 121 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: But also we see this every year. 122 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 5: I mean, quarterbacks are incredibly hard to project because it 123 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 5: is such an important position and it is so valuable 124 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 5: to get the guy I on a rookie deal and 125 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 5: have four or five years of cheap quarterback play to 126 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 5: work on the rest of your roster with I would 127 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 5: be surprised if he's there outside of the top ten. 128 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 5: But you also have to take these teams grades into account. 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 5: I mean, it was I believe it was. What three 130 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 5: years ago, twenty twenty two, we spent so much time 131 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 5: and energy talking about Pickett and Malik Willis and Desmond Ritter, 132 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 5: and a lot of people thought those guys might go 133 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 5: really high as well, and Pikett waited around until the twenties, 134 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 5: and then the other two guys weren't even first round picks. 135 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 5: I don't think that'll happen to Schadur Sanders, but I 136 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 5: can at least conceive of a world where he's picked 137 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: in the teens or maybe even the twenties. I think 138 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 5: he'll be a first round pick, but I see his 139 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 5: range as being anywhere between two and three and probably 140 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 5: twenty twenty one. 141 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: I think Pittsburgh is like the absolute. 142 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 5: Latest I could see him going, but I do think 143 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 5: there's some some room for fluctuation there. 144 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: I want to stay on quarterbacks, and a lot of 145 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: people are still talking about Shador Sanders, and I saw 146 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: dan Orlowsky recently on ESPN kind of picking his game apart, 147 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: not not to be critical or negative, but just you know, 148 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: being honest about what he sees. In college, he was 149 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: either wowing people with his accuracy or just kind of 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: checking it down at the line of scrimmage, dunking and 151 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: dunk in his way for points with Colorado. How do 152 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: you classify Sanders now that we've got all the intel 153 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: on him going into this draft, had his Pro day 154 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: last week, so he's kind of checked all the boxes 155 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: along the way leading up to the draft. Where are 156 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: you with him as it relates to him having a 157 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: successful NFL career. 158 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: I think Schadur is unfortunately. 159 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 5: I mean, there's so much about him that gets analyzed 160 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 5: and picked apart that has nothing to do with how 161 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 5: he is as a player. Right, Obviously he's Deon Sanders' son. 162 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 5: He's this very brash personality that you know, Colorado has 163 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: has skyrocketed to the forefront of college football. 164 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: You've seen the. 165 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 5: Very dramatic games and the celebrity culture that kind of 166 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 5: came to Colorado while Shaduur was there. So like all 167 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 5: of that gets baked in and really, at the end 168 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 5: of the day, has nothing to do with how good 169 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 5: of a quarterback he is. If he was not Deon Sanders' son, 170 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 5: I think there would be way less argument about how 171 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 5: good he is now. I don't necessarily he's I don't 172 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 5: see him as this like prototypical slam dunk top three 173 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 5: pick in the in the vein of some of these 174 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 5: guys we've seen in recent years, like Caleb Williams or 175 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence. But he's got more than enough arm strength. 176 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 5: He's incredibly accurate. He's yeah, he's a little bit undersized, 177 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 5: but in I mean, we've seen it has become I 178 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 5: would even say the norm for teams to care less 179 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 5: about that stuff. I mean, Bryce Young and Baker Mayfield 180 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 5: were number one overall picks in the NFL draft. If 181 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 5: those two guys have the physical makeup to pull it off, 182 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 5: than Shadur Sanders absolutely does. My concerns with him are 183 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 5: the same as they are with so many other guys 184 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 5: that come out, and it's just adapting to the structure 185 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 5: and timing that you have to have as an NFL quarterback. 186 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 5: You know, hero ball is a lot harder to pull 187 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 5: off in the NFL, and if you're gonna do it, 188 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 5: you probably need to have some freaky, you know, physical 189 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 5: traits like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson do. 190 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 5: I don't think sur Sanders quite qualifies for that level 191 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 5: of athleticism. So if you don't have it at the 192 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 5: NFL level, you got to learn to play in structure. 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 5: You got to learn to get the ball out on time. 194 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 5: Not to say that he can't do it, but I 195 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 5: don't think his college game really translates that well to 196 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 5: what an NFL quarterback needs to look like. So I 197 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 5: think there needs to be some development there at the 198 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 5: NFL level. I absolutely thinks he's talented enough and has 199 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 5: good enough tape to be, like I said, a top 200 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: ten pick, and I think a lot of the debate 201 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 5: is hung up on just how famous he is for 202 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 5: reasons other than playing quarterback. 203 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about that. 204 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: All right, David, Let's talk about the Colts and your 205 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: latest mock draft. You've got the Colts taking Colston Lovelin 206 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: out of Michigan. Obviously we have read up on him. 207 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: Field stretching tight end could be great right away, at 208 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: least in the passing game. So David, what kind of 209 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: instant impact player is he in the NFL? Potentially within 210 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: this fit under Shane Stike in this Colts offense. 211 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: Would you mind if I actually I want to turn. 212 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 5: This back on y'all because I got the Colts are 213 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 5: very interesting to me for a couple of reasons, one 214 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 5: being I feel like the Colts are one of these 215 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 5: teams where, of course first round picks always matter. It's 216 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 5: not to say that doesn't matter, but the Colts are 217 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 5: kind of stuck to me at least and get again. 218 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 5: This is like from a national perspective, where you're trying 219 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 5: to keep an eye on everything. The Colts are stuck 220 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 5: in this situation where it's like, Okay, whatever they do, 221 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 5: it's not gonna matter unless Anthony Richardson takes the next 222 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 5: step comes that quarterback. So I think a lot of 223 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 5: people are looking for a first round match with the 224 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 5: Colts that makes Anthony Richardson a better player. And that's 225 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 5: why you see so many people like me mocking them 226 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 5: a tight end because the depth chart suggests that they 227 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 5: need one. Tight end is often a quarterback's best friend, 228 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 5: and so you wind up with a lot of people 229 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 5: saying Tyler Warren and Colson Lovelin. I think it makes 230 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: a lot of sense on the surface, But I've also 231 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 5: done this enough to know that Chris Ballard and other 232 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 5: NFL general managers, they're not just thinking about what's gonna 233 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 5: help Anthony Richardson over the next dozen games. They got 234 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 5: to think about multiple years in the future. They got 235 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 5: to think about the value of the contract when you 236 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 5: pick a guy as high as the Colts will be picking. 237 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 5: So with all that in mind, is it as simple 238 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 5: to y'all as people that know this team far better 239 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 5: than I do. Is it as simple to y'all as saying, Hey, 240 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 5: they need a guy that's gonna help Anthony Richardson. Or 241 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 5: are we are those of us that are further away 242 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 5: missing something? No. 243 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 2: I think a great argument that you have. I think 244 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: it's something that we've kicked around here in the offseason 245 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: a handful of times when it's not as slam dunk 246 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 2: as Hey, just take the best tight end available because, 247 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: as you said, we need one on the roster and 248 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: it can help Anthony Richardson continue to grow and develop. 249 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: But they have two offensive line starters that have left 250 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: the team in free agency, and Ryan Kelly and Will Fries. 251 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: They need some options there. They need more defensive line depth. 252 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: They could also use another pass rusher to compliment what 253 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 2: lou An Rumo wants to do as a defensive coordinator 254 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: in his first year here in Indianapolis. So kind of 255 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: boils down to how deep tight end is and what 256 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: percentage of the top tight ends can you get on 257 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: Day two. 258 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 5: And that's the great thing about the draft. And look, 259 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 5: it would make all the sense in the world if 260 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: they did draft a tight end and I think most 261 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 5: people would would applaud them for that. You mentioned the 262 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 5: two losses on the offensive line. It makes so much 263 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 5: sense to do either of those things. 264 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: But I can see a world where. 265 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 5: You know, Samsonwcom and Quity pay are both in contract years, right, 266 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 5: I could see a world where the value is better 267 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: at pass rusher. I know the Colts took La Tu 268 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 5: Latu last year, but you could still wind up in 269 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: a situation where that's the best possible player at a 270 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 5: very important position. Sure, and that makes all the sense 271 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 5: in the world too, But I think people would kill 272 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 5: Chris Ballard for doing that because you gotta make life 273 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 5: as easy as possible on the quarterback this year if 274 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 5: you want everybody to keep their jobs. So I'm curious 275 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 5: to see how you strike that balance between drafting purely 276 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 5: and drafting. 277 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: To help out your quarterback. 278 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 5: But like I said, I've done this enough times to know. 279 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: I would. 280 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 5: There has got to be twenty thousand mock drafts that 281 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: have put a tight end in Indianapolis this spring, and 282 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: I think I'd be surprised if it was that tidy, 283 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 5: because it usually isn't. 284 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 4: I'm with you on that one, totally agree that's David 285 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: Hellman from Fox Sports NFL Draft Insider and covers the NFL. 286 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 4: Follow him on Twitter x at David Hellman Underscore Where 287 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: is the beef? I love that phrase from years past. 288 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: I'm a lot older than you, so I used it 289 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: more than you did, David. But where is the beef 290 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: of this draft? 291 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: Second? Third round? 292 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 4: Chris Pallard. Chris Pallard loves to make hay in the 293 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: second and third rounds. And we know I've talked to 294 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: different experts, different mock draft analysts that have said, you know, 295 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: there might be twelve to twenty first round, actual first 296 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: round choices picks in this draft. Where's your meet in 297 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 4: that second and third round where the value is? 298 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: Well, it's not just me. 299 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm glad people care enough about 300 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 5: my opinion to listen to the podcast, But you want 301 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 5: to get informed opinions from the scouts and the coaches 302 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: and the executives that actually look at this stuff right, 303 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 5: And everything I've heard from talking to people is the 304 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 5: positions worth getting excited about. I think you'll hear a 305 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 5: lot of people in the NFL talking about defensive line 306 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 5: all over the place, edge rusher as well, as defensive tackle, 307 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 5: this seems to be an incredibly deep group at that position. 308 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 5: And then I know it's probably not exciting to the 309 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 5: Colts because you have Jonathan Taylor on the roster, but 310 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 5: you hear so much about how fun this running back 311 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 5: class is, and once you dive into it, you get 312 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 5: the hype. I mean, there's fifteen or sixteen really good 313 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 5: looking running backs in this class. There could be as 314 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 5: many as three drafted in the first round. I think 315 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 5: you could see six to eight drafted in the top 316 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 5: fifty sixty picks. There's just a lot of talent there. 317 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: So maybe not the best news for the Colts, although 318 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 5: on the flip side of that, every running back that's 319 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 5: taken could push another quality prospect down the board to Indianapolis. 320 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 5: But those are the positions that get me the most excited, 321 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 5: defensive line and running back. 322 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: Doubling back to the quarterback conversation that we were having David, 323 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: you know, as it relates to the top of the draft. 324 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, Now with the Giants, should they still be 325 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: on the hunt for a quarterback with the third overall pick, 326 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: and if so, who should it be? How should they 327 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: attack the short term versus the long term at that 328 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: position as it relates to this draft. 329 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 5: I just said a bunch of nice stuff about Shadar Sanders, 330 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 5: and I really do like him as a player, to 331 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 5: be honest with you, But I've been on this train 332 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 5: with the Giants this year of saying now's not the 333 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 5: right time, not for the Giants, I don't think, because 334 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 5: they are still fairly you know, they're they're far away 335 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 5: from being a true contender when you think about where 336 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 5: they are as a team and the division that they 337 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: play in. I mean, both of the NFC Championship Game 338 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 5: participants are in their division. So you're not one draft 339 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 5: away from really mattering in the NFC conversation. Russell Wilson 340 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 5: clear can get you to respectability. He's done it the 341 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 5: last two years. You know, he was solid in Denver 342 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 5: when they didn't make the playoffs, and then he got 343 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 5: the Steelers to the playoffs. 344 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: I know the season went south in a hurry, but 345 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: ten wins for. 346 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 5: The New York Giants after the decade that they've been 347 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 5: through would be phenomenal stuff. So I like the idea 348 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 5: of the Giants bolstering their roster. You know, if it's 349 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 5: Travis Hunter. 350 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: Great. 351 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 5: If it's Abdul Carter also great. Take the best player 352 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 5: that's there for you that's not a quarterback. And if 353 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 5: you insist on taking a quarterback anyway, you can do 354 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: that with I think they have the thirty fourth overall pick. 355 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 5: They have a pick in the sixties. You can find 356 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 5: a guy to play behind Russell Wilson if your hell 357 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 5: bent on drafting a quarterback. I would rather see the 358 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 5: Giants improve their overall roster, though, And I'll be honest, 359 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 5: you know, if the Giants add let's say they add 360 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 5: Abdul Carter, you have one of the best pass rushes 361 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 5: in the NFL. You've got Russell Wilson, you got a 362 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 5: franchise receiver in Malik Neighbors. If Brian Dable is as 363 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 5: good of a coach as I think he is, you 364 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 5: should be able to win eight nine games with that team, 365 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 5: or at least be in the mix, you know, and 366 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 5: so show me you can do that, and then we can. 367 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 5: You know, we'll keep you around, We'll give you an extension, 368 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 5: we don't have to bring in an all new regime, 369 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 5: and then we can look for the quarterback next year. 370 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 5: I'd rather do that than have Joe Shane and Brian 371 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 5: Dable draft Shador Sanders at three overall, get themselves fired, 372 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 5: and now Shaduur's working with the coaching staff that didn't 373 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 5: draft him. I think that is that's bad for everybody involved. 374 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 5: So for a lot of reasons, I'd rather see the 375 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 5: Giants punt on a top ten quarterback for at least 376 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 5: for at least this year. 377 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: Sound like Mark Cuban right there for those reasons, I'm out. 378 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: I like that. 379 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, last one for me, David, As Jeffrey said at 380 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: the top, cover the Cowboys very in depth. So Brian 381 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: Schottenheimer now in Dallas, he was with the Colts for 382 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: a couple of years as quarterbacks coach with Andrew Luck. 383 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: I remember those days. Finally, good guy, good coach. Does 384 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: he feel like he's ready to you? And how do 385 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: you think this is going to play out? And how 386 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: poised do you think the Cowboys are to rebound this 387 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: season after missing out on the postseason last year? 388 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 5: Well, in true Cowboys fashion, I really think that's going 389 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 5: to depend on how well they do in this draft, 390 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 5: because that's how the Cowboys insist on building their team. 391 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 5: You know, they're famously inactive in free agency. I'm sure 392 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 5: they would argue that they did a lot more work 393 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 5: this year, which is true, but doing just over the 394 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 5: bare minimums not really getting the job done. When again, 395 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 5: just like the Giants, you share a division with the 396 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 5: Eagles and now the Commanders. So I really think this 397 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 5: is a draft where the Cowboys are going to have 398 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 5: to find one, if not two, like star caliber rookies 399 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 5: to really improve themselves enough to contend on a meaningful level. 400 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 5: I was dubious about Brian Schottenheimer. I I don't think 401 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 5: there's any way around it. It's a pretty uninspiring hire, 402 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 5: and you choose the guy that's never been a head coach, 403 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 5: longtime NFL assistant who just so happened to work one 404 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: hundred feet down the hallway from where Jerry. 405 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: Jones and Stephen Jones' offices. 406 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 5: Having said that, I've been really impressed by what he's 407 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 5: done since getting the job. 408 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: I really like his coaching staff. You know, brought Matti 409 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: Everflus back to Dallas. 410 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 5: Obviously, he was an excellent defensive coordinator with the Colts. 411 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 5: Turned that into a head coaching job in Chicago did 412 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: not go very well. I still think he's a really 413 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 5: good defensive coordinator. I think he can get the Cowboys 414 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 5: defense on track. I'm excited to see what he can 415 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 5: do with Micah Parsons. Some other really interesting hires. 416 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: You know. 417 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 5: He hired Clayton Adams out of Arizona to be his 418 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. The Cardinals have done some really exciting stuff 419 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 5: in their run game and with their offensive line, so 420 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 5: that's very intriguing. The defensive line coach is coming over 421 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 5: from the New York Jets, where I mean the one 422 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 5: of the few things that Jets have gotten right in 423 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: recent years is rushing the passers. So there's a lot 424 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 5: of hires he's made to that I really like. Unfortunately 425 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 5: for him, I feel like his hands are a little 426 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 5: bit tied by how the Cowboys choose to acquire talent, 427 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 5: which I think that's something all Cowboys head coaches in 428 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 5: recent history have in common. So I'm interested to see 429 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 5: how they do in this draft. If they nail it, 430 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 5: if they hit it out of the park, I think 431 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 5: they could be a lot better than a lot of 432 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 5: us expect. 433 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: If they don't, then that's probably more of the same, 434 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: which is pretty disappointing. 435 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 4: He hosts the NFL on Fox podcast. His name's David Helman. 436 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 4: Follow him on Twitter x once again at David Hellman underscore, 437 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 4: you're out in Tinseltown. You're out in LA right now. 438 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 4: So I gotta have an entertainment question if you don't mind, 439 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 4: Oh of course, I. 440 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 5: Mean I am the antithesis of like this entertainment. You know, 441 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 5: I don't spend a lot of time in Hollywood. No, 442 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 5: I'll do what I can. 443 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 3: You're gonna like this one though. 444 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: There's a series that is streaming called Landman that Jerry 445 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 4: Jones was on with Billy Bob Thornton as well as 446 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 4: John Ham. Did you happen to see the clip of 447 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 4: the Cowboys owner from Landman? 448 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: I did? I did. 449 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: I haven't seen the show, but I've seen the clip 450 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 5: and I gotta tell you amazing to me. He No, 451 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 5: he was phenomenal. Not to take credit away from Jerry, 452 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 5: but like you know, it went viral on the Internet 453 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 5: and everybody was talking about how good of a job 454 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 5: he did, and I was like, oh, yeah, I could 455 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 5: have told you all this, Like Jerry is a gifted 456 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 5: public speaker. 457 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: I was. 458 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 5: I was not surprised at all, and I've seen him 459 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 5: give similar spiels. You know, he talks about working with 460 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 5: his family all the time. He likes to reflect on 461 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 5: his career. He's gotten a little emotional in recent years, 462 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 5: you know, as he's gotten older. I think looking back 463 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 5: at the journey they've all been on since he bought 464 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 5: the team, it was phenomenal. But watching it as somebody 465 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 5: that's been around the Cowboys for a long time, I 466 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 5: was like, oh, yeah, I could have told y'all he 467 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: had this. 468 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: It really was. It touched me. 469 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 4: And you talked about pulling on those heartstrings when he 470 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 4: talked about his kids and stuff. I was really blown away. 471 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 4: And I just I know you're close to that franchise. 472 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 4: I just wanted to get your take on it. David. 473 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it felt it felt very real. 474 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 5: It felt like a conversation that Jerry has probably had 475 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 5: in his real life. 476 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 4: You know. 477 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 5: I think people say, like, the best fiction is is 478 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 5: not as not as far fetched as you would guess, 479 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean Jerry talks about that stuff all 480 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 5: the time. All three of his kids are intimately involved 481 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 5: in the day to day. 482 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: Operations with the Cowboys. 483 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 5: Uh. Some fans would probably say they wish it wasn't 484 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 5: that way, but hey, that's it's it's his team to 485 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 5: run and yeah, it's it's a very family driven organization. 486 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: So to see, Like I said, I like he when 487 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: he got the script. 488 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 5: From Taylor shared, Taylor shared, and he's he's he's friends with. 489 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: Taylor shared as well. 490 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 5: I think that that relationship goes beyond just doing that 491 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 5: one scene. And I think when Taylor Sheridan told him 492 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 5: what he had in mind, I bet he was probably like, yeah, 493 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 5: I just got. 494 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, right right. And David, I know you're swamped. 495 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: You've got a very busy schedule obviously with the podcast 496 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: and covering the league for Fox and Foxsports dot Com. 497 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: Uh So, I know you don't get a lot of 498 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: free time. But if you're gonna prioritize one thing to 499 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: stream or binge watch, it's gotta be land Man. It's 500 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: definitely worth That's all in. Yeah, that's all in. And 501 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm a tough critic. I'm a very tough critic. 502 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: You know. 503 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: I usually watch something for like five six episodes, and 504 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: if you don't hook me and you don't bring me in, 505 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: I'm out. So Landman is the best thing I've seen 506 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: in the last decade. That's how good it is. 507 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 5: I will take that into consideration when I when my 508 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 5: fiance and I are figuring out what's watching it? Right? 509 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 4: Great, that is your Hollywood Minute with David Hellman from 510 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 4: Fox Splirts right there. 511 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: Hey. 512 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: If he's not hosting the NFL on Fox, that's right. 513 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 4: If he's not hosting the NFL on Fox podcast, he's 514 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 4: covering the NFL and the upcoming NFL Draft for Fox 515 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: as well. Again at David Hellman Underscore. You can also 516 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 4: find him at Carla's Cafe on Third Street near Cedar 517 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 4: sin I. If you want that good sandwich day, David, 518 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 4: it is there for you. 519 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 5: I have got some free time later in the week 520 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 5: and that is exactly what I'm planning. 521 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: On land Man in a sandwich and good to go 522 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 3: land Man and a sandwich. 523 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: That's right. 524 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 4: Hey, we got better today thanks to you, David Helm 525 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 4: appreciate the 526 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: Time anytime, fellas happy to be here.