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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Thursday. We are live.

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Speaker 1: It is the Herd. Lots of choices out there. Thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot of news out there, a lot of news

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Speaker 1: to all of it. Jmat I swear this is the

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Speaker 1: last time I'm going to talk about this story because

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Speaker 1: it's going to go away. I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: just like disappear and vanish into the about Lebron James

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Speaker 1: to just say for them, I hope this is the

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Speaker 1: final time I talk about it. But something that's not

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Speaker 1: being discussed. I saw the athletic yesterday acknowledged Lebron James

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Speaker 1: in a buyout. Lebron James in a trade has not

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Speaker 1: been discussed by the Lakers. So this to me has

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Speaker 1: always been a nothing burger. It's July. It's slow bread

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Speaker 1: crumbs become stories, folks. Lebron has a no trade clause.

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Speaker 1: He's still in control here year twenty three. Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: was not in control like this. Michael Jordan had a

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Speaker 1: bad contract its first ten years in the league, Bird Magic.

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Speaker 1: They weren't in control like this. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Brady was until the end, right. I mean they drafted Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: They wanted ab out sooner. Lebron's in year twenty three.

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Speaker 1: He's the only NBA player with a no trade clause. Now,

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Speaker 1: I would go to Dallas in a trade if I

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Speaker 1: could play alongside Anthony Davis again, rookie Cooper Flag and

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Speaker 1: traded unless he says yes. And where are you going

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Speaker 1: to put him? Where would Lebron outside of a Dallas lineup?

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Speaker 1: If he could play with Kyrie and Ad again in

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag Derek Lively, they'd have to involve with a

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Speaker 1: third team. That's interesting. But because the Lakers were such

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Speaker 1: a circus when Lebron arrived in LA, they have been

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Speaker 1: caving to him and should be since day one. Again,

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Speaker 1: Jordan didn't have this kind of power. Brady didn't have

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Speaker 1: this kind of power. He was taking paycots. So honestly,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers for the last fifteen years, a lot of

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Speaker 1: them have been poorly run. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 1: had the worst record in the NBA, worse than the Wizards,

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Speaker 1: much worse than the Washington Wizards. And so the one advantage,

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Speaker 1: you get a lot more power. I mean, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: the OC overpay for Alan Lazard. You're not doing that

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Speaker 1: this is it. But when Sean Payton goes to the

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Speaker 1: So and I think that's the one advantage. Now, generally

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban had a lot for a long time and

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Speaker 1: So I believe this is true. But it's not Alabama,

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Speaker 1: So let me squash the Alabama rumors. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to buy out Caitlin de Boor for about seventy million,

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Speaker 1: seven coaches annually on average get fired seven Okay, Secondly,

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Speaker 1: coordinators hit thirty percent of the time. And the other

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Speaker 1: thing to think about is, like Pete Carroll, Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: He's always been an innovator. I mean he literally when

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Speaker 1: A lot of old people age, well, Nick Saban is

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Speaker 1: And Nick Saban knew two years before he left college football.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll get frustrated with being an analyst. I

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Speaker 1: think deep down he's always felt he's every bit the

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Speaker 1: of the all time great coaches because he's a college guy.

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer yesterday on the always innovative, maybe old but

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Speaker 4: Nick Saban, the one thing about Dallas that people misunderstand is, yes,

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Speaker 4: Jerry's involved in football, but the coach is involved in

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Speaker 4: scouting too. Like the coach is involved in putting the

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Speaker 4: A great job, but they've always involved the coach and

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Speaker 4: willing to take a back seat and move away from

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Speaker 5: To see if Nick Saban can come and do it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, And the reason we talk Saban the Schottenheimer thing

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Speaker 1: And Saban and the Cowboys feels huge just think of

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Speaker 1: what Jim Harbaugh to the second most popular team in

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Speaker 1: LA felt like. Harbor to the Chargers changed their ticket sales,

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Speaker 1: like a quake. It was huge. Saban plus the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: just how does that right now? The Dallas Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: a problem. I mean they really do. For free agents,

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Speaker 1: So Albert and I talked about this yesterday for over

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Speaker 1: I said about Jim Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh is as good

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Speaker 1: with a legitimate quarterback. Is that. I think Nick Saban,

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Speaker 1: But if you dominate college football. You can be Woody Hayes,

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Speaker 1: of all time. You got to succeed at the highest

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Speaker 1: feels ten years younger and thinks like he's ten years

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Speaker 1: age well. Saban does. I'm telling you, this is my

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Speaker 1: summer prediction. Katie to the Warriors, that was nuts too.

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Speaker 1: This is my boldest prediction of the summer. You gotta

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Speaker 1: openings annually in this league. And by the way, just

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Speaker 1: say it out loud. Saban to the Cowboys. Carry loves

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Speaker 1: his team being talked about on TV, Romo on CBS,

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Speaker 1: Aikman on ESPN, Michael Irvin forever on the NFL network.

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Speaker 1: but a lot of times there's been a criticism he

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Speaker 1: cares more about the marketing than the actual super Bowl winning.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Colin, I'll say that's a spicy take to start

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Speaker 6: the show.

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Speaker 1: But what's the saying right Church wrong?

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Speaker 5: Pew.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard that.

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Speaker 6: I do think Saban to the NFL makes sense, but

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Speaker 6: remember what happened in Miami.

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Speaker 1: When he went to Miami. He wanted Drew Brees.

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Speaker 6: He had Drew Brees locked in, and the doctors didn't

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Speaker 1: To settle for Culpepper got the hell out of town.

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Speaker 6: Quarterback matters for Saban, Colin, unless they go three and

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Speaker 1: It greats me back with you, and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: and I watched him beat him. So I thought bo

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Speaker 1: Nix was going to work. I think Caleb does. I

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Speaker 1: like Drake May, I love Jayden Daniels. Going into NFL.

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Speaker 1: I was hit and miss on JJ McCarthy, and my

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Speaker 1: criticism was, like an Alabama quarterback never trails, not asked

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Speaker 1: to carry a team, doesn't get hit much. Great coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of the reasons Ohio State

435
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks haven't historically been great. They always have the better

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Speaker 1: coach and the better roll line and the better receivers.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge believer in JJ McCarthy because he

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Speaker 1: hasn't been he hasn't lived that NFL college life where

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Speaker 1: you have to throw to non NFL receivers and you

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Speaker 1: don't have protection and you play from behind. Where are

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Speaker 1: you on JJ? I know you may have to be diplomatic,

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Speaker 1: but where are you on him as a talent.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't have to be diplomatic. I'd like JJ.

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Speaker 3: I covered him in quite a bit on Fox Big Noon,

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Speaker 3: we had him all the time. I thought he was

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Speaker 3: a great game manager. To say he's going to be

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Speaker 3: a great NFL quarterback I got. I'm skeptical a little

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Speaker 3: bit because I think he's a tremendous athlete. He knows

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Speaker 3: how to distribute the ball. But he, like you said,

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Speaker 3: that last year, that Wolverine football team that he was

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Speaker 3: a quarterback, the national champions.

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Speaker 5: They were loaded, They had a great defense, great offense line,

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Speaker 5: best offense.

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Speaker 3: Line in college football. He did not get hit much,

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Speaker 3: and if you remember his junior year, he had really

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Speaker 3: or his third year his had a hard time completing

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Speaker 3: the ball downfield. They were not a downfield throwing team

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Speaker 3: and he struggled with a bet. So I think if

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Speaker 3: they surround him with great players, I think he'll be successful.

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Speaker 3: But that's like all quarterbacks. But there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: question marks about JJ McCarthy because of what you just said.

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Speaker 3: Has he really had to bring the team from behind?

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Speaker 3: He has a skill set. The thing that I like

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Speaker 3: best about JJ McCarthy he's a competitor and he's a

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Speaker 3: selfless player. There was times they won games where he

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Speaker 3: threw the ball fifteen times and you never heard it

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Speaker 3: complain about it. So I'm a JJ McCarthy fan. I

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Speaker 3: like him, but there's some skepticism out there about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I think the guy that two years ago

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Speaker 1: didn't work for me, and I think I think he

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Speaker 1: has a chance to be the best quarterback in college

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Speaker 1: Football's Drew Aller So. I watched him two years ago

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Speaker 1: and I thought he was a bit wild, and then

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Speaker 1: last year I watched him, he was defeat were better,

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Speaker 1: he was more composed, he was more accurate, and I'm like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this guy can really play. Give me

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Speaker 1: your break. I think Penn State's going to play for

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Speaker 1: the national championship with Texas. I think this kid. The

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Speaker 1: difference between sophomore junior year or what I saw him

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Speaker 1: two years ago. In last year was like, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: a first round corp. What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think Night and Day very concerned about Dreelly is

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Speaker 3: actually from Ohio and I saw a high school tape

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Speaker 3: on him and then we covered him his sophomore year

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Speaker 3: and he struggled. Last year he was much better fundamentally.

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Speaker 3: But the question I have for Penn State, they have

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Speaker 3: two great running backs, they have one of the best

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Speaker 3: offensive lines in the country, certainly in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: Do they have this skill on the outside? Last year

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Speaker 3: they did not. That was not a typical Penn State

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Speaker 3: receiving corps. And I don't know if they made it better,

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Speaker 3: you know, I keep trying to research that and we'll

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Speaker 3: see him early in the season, but I'm hoping they

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Speaker 3: have better skill on the outside. I think everything about

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Speaker 3: Penn State is a national championship contender. My question is

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Speaker 3: do they have NFL draft picks on the outside like

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Speaker 3: they used to?

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Speaker 1: You know, I was you know when, And this happens

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Speaker 1: lot in life, where you see something happening and you're

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Speaker 1: worried about it, but it actually plays to your benefit.

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Speaker 1: So when the NIL came out, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of coaches like Dabo Sweeney, are like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to pay my players. That's not what college football is about.

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Speaker 1: Here's where the NIL helps coaches. Because you spend so

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Speaker 1: much time raising money to pay the players. You can't

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Speaker 1: buy out coaches anymore. Alabama can't pay Kaylin Debori sixty

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Speaker 1: million and pay Saban more money and pay they don't

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Speaker 1: have the money. And so I do think coaches. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like Lincoln Riley, I know the number. He's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: There's no way they just spent three hundred million on facilities,

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Speaker 1: eighteen million in NIL. He's got an eighty million dollar buyout.

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Speaker 1: So I think NIL actually urban protects the staff. You

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Speaker 1: probably get a year or two more than you used to.

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Speaker 1: What say you?

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Speaker 3: Every time I come on your show, you come up

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Speaker 3: with something calling, I'm like, what is he talking about?

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Speaker 3: Then this is one of those moments. I think you're right,

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely I never thought of it that way. But

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Speaker 3: how about the Wolverine is one of the best brands,

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Speaker 3: and biggest brands are expected at twenty seven dollars twenty

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Speaker 3: seven million dollars shortfall, teams are going to start I'm

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Speaker 3: worried about this start dropping sports. Where is this money

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Speaker 3: coming from? And what you just said? To go pay

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Speaker 3: off a coaching staff as the head coach as a buyout,

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Speaker 3: but then you also have to pay off all those

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Speaker 3: assistant coaches. So this is one of those moments calling

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Speaker 3: you got me again. I think you're absolutely right that

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Speaker 3: you're going to see that. The Texas A and M

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Speaker 3: paidoff coaches like they used to.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you can do that anymore. There's not

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Speaker 5: enough money.

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Speaker 1: Finally, I think the best player in college football and

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Speaker 1: he won't be eligible as Jermaine Smith. I think Ohio

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Speaker 1: State's receiver agreed, and I'm trying. I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: of somebody. I'd have to go back to Hugh Green

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Speaker 1: that played for Pittsburgh, where I literally saw somebody and

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Speaker 1: I thought, oh, he'd be an elite NFL player. As

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Speaker 1: a sophomore in college, Chase at LSU felt like that,

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, he's an NFL player plan on Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: He's way too good for college football. How do you

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Speaker 1: coach a guy that is so good and so gifted?

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Speaker 1: How do you keep him engaged? How do you keep

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Speaker 1: him focused? How do you keep him happy? Because he

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Speaker 1: didn't even look like a college player.

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Speaker 3: I've had to I can't say I've had a Jermaine

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Speaker 3: Smith Jeremiah Smith, but I've had a couple that you

547
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Speaker 3: just got to constantly challenge him. The best thing that

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Speaker 3: Ohio State has is incredible defense, So his biggest challenges

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Speaker 3: a lot of times aren't necessarily the games on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: It's the Tuesday and Wednesday practice. And I felt that

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Speaker 3: when I had to Nick Bosa or I had Percy

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Speaker 3: Harvin or some of those guys who are just so

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Speaker 3: much better than really everyone else. A lot of times,

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Speaker 3: Baron verybe else should play until you get to those

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Speaker 3: big games. Then you challenge the heck out of him

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Speaker 3: in practice. And that's a good thing about Jeremiah Smith

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Speaker 3: and Ohio State his biggest you know, his biggest challenges

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Speaker 3: A lot of times are are going against each other

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Speaker 3: in practice. That's when iron charps is iron and I

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Speaker 3: dealt with that and I know that's what's happening in Columbus.

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Speaker 3: They got some good corners and that's one of his

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Speaker 3: biggest challenge to motivate him every day to.

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Speaker 5: Go to work.

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith, not German. I made a mistake, jeremih Smith. Finally,

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Speaker 1: Texas Ohio State play. In the opener, we all want

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Speaker 1: to see arch Manning. I want to see arch Manning.

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Speaker 1: What what will you need to see? How are you

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Speaker 1: going to view that game? I don't care a lot

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Speaker 1: about stats. I want to see what happens when he

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Speaker 1: faces pressure. That's what I want to see. This will

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Speaker 1: be the best front he faces. My guess is what

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Speaker 1: are you looking for from arch Manning?

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Speaker 3: Really interesting to hear and I got a strong opinion

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Speaker 3: because I coached Tibo when after he won the Heisman

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Speaker 3: Trophy as a sophomore, he won the national championship as

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Speaker 3: a junior. His senior year, the scrutiny, the expectations, we'd

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Speaker 3: beat Tennessee by fourteen points, he'd throw the ball and

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Speaker 3: he'd be getting hammered by the media he didn't play

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Speaker 3: well enough. So I think this will be the player

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Speaker 3: with the highest expectations in the last decade. I put

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Speaker 3: it at the Tebow level, where is anything going to

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Speaker 3: be good enough other than a perfect game? And he

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Speaker 3: plays in the SEC. He's going to face SEC defenses

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Speaker 3: each week. He's placing the play Ohio State buckets early.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a tremendous talent.

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Speaker 5: But Sark, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Glad he's got a head coach like Sark that knows

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Speaker 3: how to handle pressure like this, because the pressure on

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Speaker 3: him will be immense, and it's going to be pressure.

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Speaker 3: I think it's we have a witness this kind of

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Speaker 3: pressure on a player. I'm saying since Tim Tebow's senior

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Speaker 3: year at the University of Florida, it was it was NonStop,

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Speaker 3: even we'd win to get We went twelve and zero

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Speaker 3: his senior year and nothing was good enough.

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Speaker 5: And I worry about that.

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Speaker 3: That wears on you, that wears on the staff, But

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Speaker 3: most importantly, it's going to wear our arch.

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Speaker 1: So I did a national championship bubble yesterday. I think

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Speaker 1: there's five to six teams. Yeah, okay, So here I

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Speaker 1: have Clemson, Bama, Notre Dame. I don't know if Clemson

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Speaker 1: has the athletes they I don't know if they match

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Speaker 1: up with Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Penn State. I just

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Speaker 1: don't know if they do. But I like their coaching. Quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Bama Notre Dame. I have to watch them play because

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they are at quarterback at Bama's

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Speaker 1: playing a guy who hasn't played, he's been there three years.

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Speaker 1: But they are five teams that I believe look different.

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Speaker 1: I love the staffs. I just they're different to me,

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Speaker 1: Like the backfield for Penn State is just different. It's

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Speaker 1: all NFL guys. Anything you disagree with here.

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Speaker 3: No, I would probably throw one other team on the bubble, though.

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Speaker 3: I would throw that LSU team on the bubble. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think coach Kelly is the heck of a coach,

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Speaker 3: and they got a returning quarterback that I think is

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Speaker 3: just stud So I would throw one more out there,

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Speaker 3: and LSU's never would be short. They're the one team,

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Speaker 3: and I know you can't just stay a type of team.

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Speaker 3: They were the one team when I coached the SEC

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Speaker 3: them and Georgia came walking out of that tunnel, they

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Speaker 3: looked different.

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Speaker 5: And that stadium is a tough place to place. I

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Speaker 5: like it.

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Speaker 3: I'd like your tough five, but I throw one more

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Speaker 3: bubble team in there, and that's Lsu.

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, three time national champion coach, is always you're

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Speaker 1: making time for us and we love that. Thanks, good

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Speaker 1: to see great to see you urban Meyer on our show,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, Fox Sports College Football hind Big Noon,

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Speaker 1: Big Noon. Things happen on that show from I from

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Speaker 1: what I hear, I read a lot and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. There's a lot of moving parts on

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Speaker 1: that show. I'm not going to get into it, but

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Speaker 1: Big Noon Nurse things moving there. The wheel is spinning there.

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Speaker 1: That's what I hear. May want to pull up a

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Speaker 1: stool and sit down and read about it from what

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Speaker 1: I hear. Anyway,