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Speaker 1: This is Mia from the very very near future. We

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Speaker 1: found out as we were live recording this episode that

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Speaker 1: Teamster's leadership has cut a tentative agreement with UPS to

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Speaker 1: try to revert the strike. So we've we've decided to

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Speaker 1: leave this in and you're gonna hear us find this

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Speaker 1: shit out, literally in the middle of an interview of

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Speaker 1: what we thought was going to be a really really

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Speaker 1: really large strike starting. So enjoy it strike season here

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Speaker 1: at it could happen here the podcast where things fall

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Speaker 1: apart and sometimes you put them back together again. And

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Speaker 1: as as you probably have noticed, presumably from the last interview,

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Speaker 1: maybe from reading the news, maybe from like talking to

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Speaker 1: people who are in unions, we are in a genuindely

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Speaker 1: historic period of labor militancy in this country. That is

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Speaker 1: effectively we are now we are we are We are

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Speaker 1: now entering the second phase of the hot Summer of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We used to have hot summers all

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Speaker 1: the time. People do what that meant, so now it

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Speaker 1: just means like global warming. But long ago, in the

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Speaker 1: galaxy far far away, there are these things called hot

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Speaker 1: summers when everyone would fucking go on strike and there'd

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Speaker 1: be you know, sort of mass resist as a capital

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Speaker 1: the state. And yeah, we're fucking going back there and

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Speaker 1: talk with me about the next series of massive private

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Speaker 1: sector strikes that we're about to get. Is Rehee Smith

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Speaker 1: and Oliver Rose, who are rank and file UPS workers

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Speaker 1: and teamsters doing the standard disclaimer. These individuals do not

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Speaker 1: represent the union or the positions of the union. They're

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Speaker 1: speaking as individuals. Yeah, we have this is this is

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Speaker 1: this is the disclaimer for the lawyers. It is also true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but recent Oliver, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really really glad we can talk to you. So,

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Speaker 1: all right, the day this is going out, it'll be

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Speaker 1: six days before the teamsters are potentially going to go

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Speaker 1: on strike and the current contract runs out. Can I yeah,

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Speaker 1: can we talk a little bit about what Okay, who

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Speaker 1: is first, who is going on strike and what do

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Speaker 1: they do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's going to be three hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: thousand UPS workers going on strike, and that's going to

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Speaker 2: be you know, the inside warehouse workers, and that's going

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Speaker 2: to be the delivery drivers and also the theater drivers

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Speaker 2: and the twenty two fours, like all of them.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain what, oh last you are?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, so twenty two fours is a classification of

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Speaker 2: Something that the union has told us is that there's

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Speaker 2: already been a tentative agreement that that classification is not

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Speaker 2: raw deal for people that found themselves in that position. Shit,

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Speaker 2: what was the other one that I mentioned? Twenty two drivers?

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Speaker 2: I think theater drivers. Yes, so theeter drivers are not

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Speaker 2: and that's how they deliver. Uh. So those are the

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Speaker 2: last two classifications that I mentioned. And yeah, we're all

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Speaker 2: going to be going on strike, and well we are

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Speaker 2: UPS is kind of going to be in a world

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Speaker 2: to be very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm excited, like I don't all you know,

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Speaker 1: it was funny, So when when when SAG officially walked

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Speaker 1: And hilariously, that is a title that if this happens,

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Speaker 2: Largest strike in the US since the nineties. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be wild. If we go on strike while

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And there's and there's a chance, depending on

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, and like everyone seems to lake

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I'm very heartened by, you know,

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Speaker 2: something that I've been thinking about a lot is uh,

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Speaker 4: Needed, absolutely and even beyond you know, the logistics industry.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think we can show that you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, there's pay that does not you know allow

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Speaker 4: You know that we can just show that. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 4: we're done, you know with giving all of the wealth

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And UPS fucking created thirteen billion dollar profits last year. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's up from I was just reading an article

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Speaker 2: and that's up from six point five billion in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Doubled the profit. They've overdoubled the profits and like to

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Speaker 2: Were doubled their profits. And they keep trying to tell

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Speaker 1: So I think that leads you to sort of the

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Speaker 1: next thing I want to ask about, which is, can

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Speaker 4: You know, and there is a wide range of conditions

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Speaker 4: because you know, for a long time, you know, the

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Speaker 4: You know, we have drivers who are doing you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, we have these escalating temperatures and meanwhile there's

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Speaker 4: there's not necessarily any kind of protections currently for that.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about on the show before people who've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's absolutely tragic. I know we had a

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Speaker 4: don't actually mean it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because obviously, you know, you want to be being

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I saw was part of

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Speaker 1: this is the Clean Air Act loophole. I remember this.

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Speaker 1: If you only specified new vehicles, I'll just never replace

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you know with these companies, they're going to

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Speaker 2: be looking for those loopholes, right Yeah, And like I

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Speaker 2: don't know that I've seen a vehicle that looked new.

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Speaker 2: they all look like they've been around, been around a while,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know that they've been spending the capital

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Speaker 2: we're gonna you know, keep their feet to the fire on,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. Yeah. And then in terms of other

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Speaker 2: conditions that are like really leading up to this right now,

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Speaker 2: there is a big problem with MRAs. And know not

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Speaker 2: the MRAs you all might be thinking of, this is

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Speaker 2: a market rate adjustment and both are bad. Both are bad.

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Speaker 2: We are staunchly against both MRAs. And essentially what an

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Speaker 2: it gives the company leeway to you know, potentially increase

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Speaker 1: I just think I'm gonna mention that I think is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well what the sorry as as as you were talking

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Speaker 3: They're back at the table.

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Speaker 2: Back at the negotiation table.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Teamsters win historic ups contract. Oh we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is Uh I'm not stoked on those wages. Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: All right, so that does that will change things. That

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Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately, can't even speak to it since and a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it Do they actually have the full agreement

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Speaker 3: It's fine.

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Speaker 2: So the size of our pop our contract is about

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Speaker 1: like railroad people into signing whatever contract negotiators agree to. Yeah,

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00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: it is kind of a disaster.

436
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Speaker 3: And without that transparent see.

437
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know, all of us rank

438
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: and file members are you know, essentially being removed from

439
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: the process, you know, being involved in the decision making, uh,

440
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 4: you know, stipulating what's going to do it, you know,

441
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: to meet our needs?

442
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 3: What what do we need?

443
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: You know, out of these you know, five year contracts,

444
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: and you know, I think it was just you know,

445
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 4: a few days ago, got you know, get an update

446
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: from the local you know, basically a week before you

447
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: know the contract ends, you know, and they're you know,

448
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: talking about this is like one of the most transparent

449
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: contracts there's ever been. There's all these updates and you know,

450
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: there's more rank and file you know, members involved in

451
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 4: the bargaining, and it's like, well, that's great, you know

452
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: that shows you know, how far you know, we've come,

453
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 4: I guess. But also it's still just it's kind of

454
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: sad to think that, you know, this, this process that's

455
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: all bounded by NDA, is the most transparent, transparent it's been.

456
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Speaker 1: And and also the fact the fact that you're fighting

457
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: this out live on air from like their press release

458
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: that they put out on Twitter, it's like.

459
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: What yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, absolutely absolutely absurd. Yeah,

460
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 2: so it seems like this is a this is an

461
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: agreement that is going to be pushed by union leadership

462
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: as a vote to vote yes on, which is a

463
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: kind of a far cry from earlier in in July

464
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: when you know, you when the team stories were telling

465
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: ups you need to present us with either an agreement

466
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: that we like actually agree with, or present your last

467
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: best final offer by July fifth, right, Yeah, and yeah, yeah,

468
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: so yeah, we'll we'll see how how the UH rank

469
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: and file react in the twenty eighteen contract. I know

470
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: that the TDU tried to UH organize a vote no

471
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: campaign and they did get a simple majority of the

472
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: membership to vote no. However, at the time, and this

473
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: has now been changed, but at the time, Uh, in

474
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: our constitution, it would require a two thirds majority to

475
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: have projected it and goes to strike Jesus Christ.

476
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: Was it was?

477
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Speaker 1: Was that? Was that because it was was that because

478
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: it has one of those weird like electoral college systems,

479
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: or was it like you need two thirds to project it?

480
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Was a it was a you need two thirds. That

481
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: has been changed. Uh when when Sean, when the Reform

482
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: Slate was elected and they had their team Seris convention,

483
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: they changed the constitution so that it would be a

484
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: simple majority. So yeah, we'll we'll see what TD the

485
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: line that TDU wants to take. And yeah, yeah, we'll

486
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: see this. Uh, this certainly put puts a wrinkle on things.

487
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, I was actually really looking forward

488
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: to strike pay because my strike pay would have paid

489
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: more than my actual job does.

490
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I think there's like, I think

491
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: there's a few things that we can sort of immediately

492
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: talk about from this one is that it doesn't like

493
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: nothing they've put out here from what I've read so far,

494
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm reading I mean literally, I'm reading from the teamster's

495
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: website says you're doing anything about market rate adjustments at all.

496
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

497
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: And the second thing is that you know, you know,

498
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: we were talking earlier before we knew that there was

499
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: a strike about sort of the impact of this on

500
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: the entire class, and it really looks like both the

501
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: Teamsters and UPS, like you know, really wanted to cut

502
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: a deal as you know, part of part of this

503
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: attempt to keep everything going and to keep the stuff

504
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: from happening, which I mean, I think makes sense, right

505
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: if you're you know, if if you're UPS, you don't

506
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: act like we're we're having an actual sort of like

507
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: workers and surtaincy like having having having a summer this hot,

508
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: like isn't good for like, it isn't good for UPS.

509
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: It's arguably not good for some of the more sort

510
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: of like some of the more sort of conservative union

511
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: leaderships either, who do who unlike a lot of workers

512
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: do not want to be on strike because that like

513
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: that cut that cuts into the sort of war chest

514
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: of capital that they have to manage.

515
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm hmm.

516
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, uh they're you know, they're just recently

517
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: on Twitter or excuse me, X it's X now. But

518
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: just recently on Twitter, there was a fair amount of

519
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: strike discourse. Uh yeah, and there was like you know,

520
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: labor activists and stuff saying that, you know, like it's good,

521
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: it's good for you know, if they reach a tentative

522
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: agreement that you know sold this. Yeah, yeah, if they

523
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: reach a tentative agreement that you know makes those material gains,

524
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: it's better to not go on strike. And like, I

525
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: I know, I know, like and to me, that's like

526
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: a little bit wild because one, there is so much

527
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: and we could demand so much more, but also, like

528
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: you know, collective action, you know, in order to be consistent,

529
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 2: to be good at it, it requires you to undertake it, right, Like,

530
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: and you know, when I think about like how our

531
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: local is, they have a very service model orientation to

532
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: unionism as opposed to an organizing model, and I, you know,

533
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: I was really under the impression that this potential strike

534
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: could have kind of like you know, lit a fire

535
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: under their ass and like kind of got back into

536
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: like the organizing aspect of unionism, right uh, And like

537
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: they weren't that great at that, I swear sometimes we

538
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: would talk to them about like, hey, so like, have

539
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: you tried likeabilizing members. Have you tried like showing up

540
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: the gates? Have you like you know, you can like

541
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: there's like programs out there where you can text your

542
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: entire membership about like you know, come to this like

543
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: contract update. And it's like we were just speaking a

544
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: different language. Like they just had no idea, Like they

545
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: had no idea. And they would look at our union

546
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: meetings where like, you know, we represent like I think

547
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: over like a like I think well over like one

548
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: thousand workers. I don't have the numbers on that, so

549
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get more specific, but like well

550
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: over that. And they would look at our union meetings

551
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: where we have maybe fifty to seventy people, and they're

552
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: just kind of like, well, this is just as good

553
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: as it's going to get.

554
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's nonsense, Like it's nonsense.

555
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: It's nonsense, like you know, like back in the fucking

556
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: like you know, from like the tens to the fifties,

557
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: union meetings would bring in just so many people and

558
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: they don't have anywhere near the like technological advance advantages

559
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: that we have now. And it was just it's very

560
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: much like, yes, you tell us about your grievances, we

561
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: get those filed and we do make those like wins

562
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: for you, and like that's that's good. Like, you know,

563
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: there are some unions that barely do that much, and

564
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: the fact that they do that is great. But like

565
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, at my hub, I remember I was, I

566
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: was talking to my carpool and he didn't even know

567
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: who his steward was. And I'm like the only person

568
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: that gives him updates about what's going on in the union.

569
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: And that's just because like when I started working at UPS,

570
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, I'm gonna go to these

571
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: fucking union meetings. I'm gonna find out what's going on.

572
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: I want to be involved. And most people, you know,

573
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: it's just a job for them, and they don't know

574
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: all the things that a union can provide for them

575
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: or how a union can back them up. And part

576
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: of that's because you know, union leadership, you know, has

577
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: decided that that's not something they really they don't need

578
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: to be engaged with the members as they could be.

579
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

580
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: Well, and there's there's a second thing there too, which

581
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: is like, okay, if you are like you know, if

582
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: if if if if you are someone you know, if

583
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: you were in a position of leadership, and you're in

584
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: your position of leadership because there's incredible base. There's like

585
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: really really load attendance for union elections, right, really load turnout,

586
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: which is which is usually true, right, Like union union

587
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: election turnout tends to be just atrocious. You don't actually

588
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: want more people being involved because the more people that

589
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: are involved, the more likely is it a bunch of

590
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: people are going to show up in an election. Someone's

591
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: good and you know when someone's gonna look at one

592
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: of the deals you cut, it's gonna be like what

593
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? Right, So there's there's there's

594
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: a lot of sort of perverse intensive structures in terms

595
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: of like just the sort of the basic organizational electoral

596
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: structure that gets you, you know, like people cutting deals

597
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: and culling and you know, like try trying to cut

598
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: off the sort of like hot summer and its knees.

599
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have something funny that's kind of related to that.

600
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: So when we were voting to authorize a to authorize

601
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: a strike, right, you know, we we did it and

602
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: all of that, and uh, you know, Sean O'Brien announced

603
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: that there was going to be voting at the gates

604
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: and are our local. Initially it was like, oh no,

605
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: we're just going to have people come to the hall

606
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: between the hours of eight and ten on two specific

607
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: days and we'll do voting that way. Eventually, they did

608
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: change it after they got pressure, i think probably from

609
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 2: up top and below. But one of the members who

610
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: is involved was like, oh no, no, no, no, like,

611
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: it'll be better if it's just the people that are

612
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: motivated enough to go, because they're the ones that are

613
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: going to like vote the thing on through. And that

614
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: was just that was wild too, seeing that sort of perspective,

615
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: because if we, you know, if the union is there,

616
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: if like you know, our union reps, our business agents,

617
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: if they're there, if they're constantly engaging membership, then we

618
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: will all be on the same page. Like they're the

619
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: ones that have all of the like, you know, the

620
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: like technical information. They're the ones that can really talk

621
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: to they can talk to people about you know, like

622
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: this is how much UPS is making and profits, this

623
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: is like what they're paying our CEO. This is all

624
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: of this. You deserve more and we're going to fight

625
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: for it. And if they had those constant interactions, you

626
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: would all be on the same page and we wouldn't

627
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: have to worry about well, if there's increased voter turnout,

628
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: it might make the vote kind of iffy, you know, like.

629
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely you know, that's been one of my

630
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: biggest scripes is around uh, you know, communications, particularly you

631
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: know from the local which is kind of practically non existent,

632
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: and you know it's there's so many even like between

633
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: new hires and you know, even people have been there

634
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: a few years a part timers like don't know their

635
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 4: rights under our contract and you know it was only

636
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: because of organizing and you know, talking with people that

637
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 4: I know those rights and can you know the share

638
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: that you know knowledge uh with other you know teamsters.

639
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: But it's kind of like, well, why why are we

640
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: having to do this?

641
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: And I mean of yes, internal or organizing, you know,

642
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: knowledge is super important, but it'd be nice, you know why,

643
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: you know, why isn't there a you know, like a

644
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 4: welcome packet.

645
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: Why are there you know, not more.

646
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 4: Maybe not like full meetings, but at least something where

647
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: you know, our union officials can meet with rank and

648
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 4: file members. And I think I'm partly you know, speaking

649
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 4: to that because you know, the shift I work is

650
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: during union meetings, so you know, attending those is not

651
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: you know, not quite feasible, uh, you know for me

652
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: or other people on my shift.

653
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: And I know that's also kind of seems like it's

654
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: led to this like some.

655
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: Contempt for part timers like oh, we're not involved, you know,

656
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: we don't care. But it's like we don't you know,

657
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: we don't necessarily know you know, about the meetings or

658
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: that you know, there's the scheduling common or you know,

659
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: again talking about like we don't even know what our

660
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: you know, basic rights are you know, under our contract.

661
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's like a like you can't you can't not

662
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: explain to people. You can't not onboard people and then

663
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: complain that they're not onboarded, Like come on, this is.

664
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: A sad self fulfilling prophecy there.

665
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: You know, you're creating the outcome that you think you

666
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: know already exists because you're not engaging members.

667
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: So there was another thing that I wanted to talk about,

668
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: which is that there's been a lot of like I

669
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I've been seeing this in sort of various

670
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: places in the discourse talking about the strike, which is

671
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people who basically are holding

672
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: onto the notion that a people don't want to strike

673
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: and b that like striking is bad and that you

674
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: should want to do it as little as possible. And

675
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: you know, this pisses me off for like a lot

676
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: of reasons, one of which is that, like my grandma

677
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: was a teamster and she was a she was a

678
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: union punch card operator, like back in like the seventies

679
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: and eighties. And you know, my grandma is like like

680
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: not like a leftist, right like she we have to

681
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: stop her from giving money to the Fallen Gong, like

682
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: she's so you know this, this is the kind of

683
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 1: thing super dealing with you, right, But like she loved

684
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: going on strike, right like, And that's the thing that

685
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: like my family, who's not like particularly sort of labor

686
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: friendly or like, oh yeah, no, we love going on strike.

687
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Because that's that's why she has insurance, right because the

688
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: team shairs were going with like any eighties teams just

689
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: go on shrike. And I you know, and I think

690
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: I think that's everything that's like this, you know this

691
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of well, okay, then there's two ways to look

692
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of it at it. One is that it's a fundamental

693
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: misreading of the situation that's happened right now, which is, no,

694
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: people absolutely love going on strike. People are really excited

695
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: to go on strike. People who people whose politics are

696
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: not like you know, people whose polities are not aligned

697
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: with the left, really like going on strike and are

698
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: really excited about it. And this is something that's happening

699
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: sort of irrespective of this. There's been a bunch of

700
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: wildcat strikes. This is something that's been happening sort of

701
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: irrespective of like actual union membership as people what to

702
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: do this. We've also seen sort of the great resignation

703
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: over the last few years of you know, what is

704
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: effectively a massive like part of the reason the conditions

705
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: for labor are like this strong right now is because

706
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: there's been this massive informal strike of people just sort

707
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: of of people you know, walking off the job, like

708
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: deciding their job fucking sucks and quitting. And that's been

709
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: putting a lot of pressure on employers and you know,

710
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: and it's simultaneous this, you know, I think, I think

711
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: the reading of this that's more sort of cynical is

712
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: that like, these people know this, right, they know that

713
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: people want to go on strike, and they're looking at

714
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: it and they're terrified, and their conclusion is like, we

715
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: have to fucking stop, you know, we have to stop

716
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: this wave of labor militancy before it gets going, because

717
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: if it gets going, you know, if you're like, if

718
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: you're you know, like a sort of centrist liberal politician,

719
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: or if you're like a conservative union bureaucrat, like that's

720
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: terrifying for you, then there's you know, there's there's a

721
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: lot of people who have a lot to lose if

722
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: if you know, like if really sort of a president

723
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: wave of labor militance he gets going.

724
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

725
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

726
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: You know, when I think of, you know, people in

727
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: wanting to go on strike, I guess I'll touch on

728
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: two things here, which is that you know, at my hub,

729
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: whenever we talk about going on strike there, you know,

730
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: there is a sense that, yes, people really want it,

731
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: and also they're really worried that they aren't going to

732
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: be able to that, Like, you know, we're going to

733
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: get this kind of agreement that most people will want,

734
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: and it's not going to happen. And we've had all

735
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: of this build up and you know, it's kind of

736
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: kind of you know, fall flat. And then you know,

737
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: also I've spent a fair amount of time on UH

738
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: on picket lines as like a community supporter. And you know,

739
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: there is something incredibly magical about being on strike, you know,

740
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: like there's often just this outpouring of community support for

741
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: the workers, right, and workers get to see that their

742
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: labor is extremely valued by the larger community, and I

743
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: think that is really important. I think that builds bonds

744
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: of solidarity. And you get to see the other unions

745
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: who come out and support of your strike, and then

746
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, you go and support them, and then it

747
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: creates Yeah, it creates these bonds that you know aren't

748
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: really they can be achieved without it, but it's just

749
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: so much more bonding. I guess I'm going to use

750
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: the term bonds a lot, but and there really isn't

751
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: a substitute for it. And you know, and then people

752
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: also they get to experience the power that they have

753
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: as you know, as labor, right like they be can

754
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: they realize it's like oh wait, no, like I'm on

755
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: strike and this company is like the shit is hitting

756
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: the fan for them because they don't have us who

757
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: know how to do our jobs in there doing them right.

758
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: Like you know, I was at a picket line for

759
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: this other company a few years back, and like the

760
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: workers there on the line were constantly giving the updates.

761
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: They'd be like, yeah, man, it's wild I heard in

762
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: there that like, you know, the managers are trying to

763
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: do our jobs and like none of what they make

764
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: is edible, and they're.

765
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: Throwing it all away and like breaking.

766
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: The machines are breaking, like ye, and so they're one.

767
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: They're seeing that, yes, their labor is specific, it has value,

768
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: it is necessary and crucial, and they are getting that

769
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: community support and you know, there's not a lot of

770
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: other opportunities for those realizations to happen.

771
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean there's something that like i've

772
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: literally you've seen this, like our teachers' union. We've talked

773
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: about this a bit on the show, but like our

774
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: local teachers union in Chicago, Like god, you know, they

775
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: got to reform caucussy and they're not perfect, but you know,

776
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: they're they're much better than what was happening before. And

777
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, and one of the things they do is

778
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: they've they've been on strike a lot of times in

779
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: the last about deck like decade a decade, bit over

780
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: a decade, and it changed the city, like Chicago is

781
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: a you know, it was for i mean decades, decades

782
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: and decades, this just like interminable machine run like neoliberal hellhole.

783
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, I'm not going to say

784
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: like Chicago's like some kind of like you know, like

785
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: beacon of the left or whatever, but like the city

786
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: is just different after it. And it was just the

787
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: one truck they kept they kept going on the Shrike,

788
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: and they kept going on the Shrek, and you know,

789
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: you can you can look at the quality of their

790
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: wins and you can sort of like you know, like

791
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not like I know, I mean, like

792
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: I know people who like have quibbles with sort of

793
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: like exactly what happened in the contract negotiations, but like

794
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, they they went on strike multiple times and

795
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: they won and that really and then you know, the

796
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: every thing happens is the thing you were talking about, right,

797
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: is like suddenly you're at these pickets and like the

798
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: entire community is showing up, like everyone's showing up with food.

799
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: Like it it changed, it changed the city. And you know,

800
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: and I think this guess is an everything I think

801
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: is important here about and what's you know, sort of

802
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: the potential is being averted. Is the interesting thing about

803
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: this strike wave is that we've had a number you know,

804
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: we've we had like the whole we had sort of

805
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: the wildcat teacher strikes in twenty seventeen. We've had a

806
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of waves of teacher strikes. But

807
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: like most of the strikes that have been happening at

808
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 1: public sector unions, we haven't had these giant strikes other

809
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: than basically, I mean, there there's been some, right, there's

810
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: there's there's been a lot of strikes in the healthcare sector.

811
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: We haven't had a strike like at this scale in

812
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: the private sector in you know, outside basically like the

813
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: Team Series and is like set the Team Series and

814
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: like the Guild are like the only two big unions

815
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: on that scale who go on strike like even kind

816
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: of regularly. Even that's like that's like a once in

817
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: like twenty year thing, right, And so I don't know,

818
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: like I think, I think just sort of the potential

819
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: of what's being lost here is enormous. If if what

820
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: happens is that this deal, which is like I'm not

821
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: great from when I see it from the initial things,

822
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: although again, like we still don't fucking know what's in

823
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: this deal, and we're not going to for like a

824
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: bit at like at least until they fucking release the thing.

825
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

826
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean obviously, you know, we'll we'll we'll have

827
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: to see, you know, what's what's in that agreement. Yeah,

828
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: but you know, at least just you know, for you know,

829
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: my own views. You know, it's any you know company

830
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: you know that's paying you poverty wages or you know,

831
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 4: there's unsafe work conditions, and just seems like, well, on principle,

832
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: there needs to be a work stoppage, like that's you know,

833
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: if you're going to treat people that way, that's just

834
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: the result.

835
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Something that I'm like kind of

836
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: thinking about right now is like, so like the twenty

837
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: one h seventy five I believe it is for part

838
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: time workers. You know, that is a significant increase from

839
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: the fifteen fifty, but we're just at the beginning of

840
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: our five year contract.

841
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

842
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like I feel like, you know, like

843
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: it's being viewed as like, oh, well, that's like okay

844
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: for right now. It's you know, kind of not but

845
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: it's really just not going to be okay in five years.

846
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: When we have to have these contract negotiations again, and

847
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: because we're not starting out with a solid twenty five

848
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: dollars an hour, we're going to be playing catch up

849
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: to what is not really okay right now. Like it's

850
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: just gonna like it's like it's just going to keep happening.

851
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: You know, by the time we get to twenty twenty eight,

852
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: you know, we'll probably get up to twenty five dollars

853
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: an hour maybe, but by that time, you know, who

854
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: knows what we're actually going to need in order to

855
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: survive in this economy. Yeah, so, you know, I feel

856
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: like that wage is just not it's not proactive enough

857
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: for what we're going to need in the coming years.

858
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: And you know, in there there is stuff about like

859
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 2: you know, wage increases for like you know, however long

860
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: you've been there and stuff like that. But yeah, I

861
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: you know, you know, like I graduated from high school

862
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: in like two thousand and eight, and I just feel

863
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: like the my entire life, the economy has just been

864
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: fucking shitty. And when they tell me the economy is great,

865
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: my finances are still fucking shitty.

866
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: This is they're one of one of the old twenty

867
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: eleven slogans that like, well, I guess it's also two

868
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: thousand and eight slogan that like people need to fucking

869
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: remember is that the when the bank takes your house,

870
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: GDP goes up.

871
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: Right.

872
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: The economic indicators that we have are are you know,

873
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: they're they're Bushwa economic indicators right like they are they

874
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: are They are designed to measure how well CAPP is

875
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: being extracted from you.

876
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yep, yep, yep, yep.

877
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 4: Definitely no reflection on our actual you know, day to

878
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 4: day lives, you know what what.

879
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: Our needs are.

880
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and hey, some people made money off of

881
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: your labor, so things are good unless you know you're

882
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: the labor.

883
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you know, I think, I think, and

884
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: everything that happens a lot is like yeah, like you know,

885
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: it is entirely possible that a bunch of people who

886
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: are you know, making like seventy thousand dollars a year

887
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: are fucking doing great right now, and it's like, well,

888
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: bully for them, like we're fucking not.

889
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and speaking to you know,

890
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 6: to the you know what the things you know look

891
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 6: five years out, which you know, it seems like, you know,

892
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 6: things just kind of get exponentially worse.

893
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what you know the environment,

894
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 4: you know what our climate's going to be. I don't

895
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 4: know what you know inflation or food costs, you know

896
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: it's gonna be and you know so far, you know,

897
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: i'd need to see the you know what the tenet

898
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: of agreement has on that market rate adjustment. And then

899
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: there's also the cost of living adjustment too, which at

900
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 4: least what I believe is, you know, it doesn't kick

901
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: into like you've been there for five years, so I

902
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 4: guess you just aren't living for those first five years.

903
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

904
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: You know that my utilities and my rent waives my

905
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: bills for the first five years that I worked for ups.

906
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: Someone someone someone, so someone also like, go find the

907
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: statistics on how many people get fired at four years

908
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: and eleven months.

909
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: Like yeah, and that's yeah.

910
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: I mean that's also when the pension uh minimum investment

911
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 4: investment time is five years. You know, that's also something

912
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 4: I've thought about. Well, what happens on a four years

913
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: and eleven months is that when you know, now even

914
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 4: got a bigger target on my back, it's like already

915
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 4: have thorn in their side.

916
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: Uh, they they they they did the thing I said

917
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: they were going to do where it says UPS will

918
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: equip in cab, a c and all large v delivery vehicles,

919
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: sprinter vans and packaged cars purchased after January first, oh,

920
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Fans are getting cars getting two fans

921
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: in an induction event in the cargo compartment, which is good,

922
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: but also not air conditioning.

923
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: It's not air conditioning and it gets very hot in

924
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: those trailers. And yeah no, it's like, yeah, in all

925
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: large except you know, all things purchased after January first,

926
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

927
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just like you know, yeah, it's like

928
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: they will start purchasing cars again in like twenty ninety four.

929
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, nothing in there about retrofitting those cars. Well,

930
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: I think tersting cars.

931
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: I think they're well, okay, I don't know. This is

932
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: another thing, like it's it's unclear to me exactly what

933
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: a lot of this means because we you know, like

934
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: we we were like we can't get the actual contract,

935
00:50:53,080 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: which is yeah, like yeah, so this is do we

936
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: need to I guess also like prefaces like this is

937
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: what we're not doing legal analysis of this. This is

938
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: our speculation based on what we're reading. This is this

939
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: none of this constanity's finding legal advice?

940
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, hey I just work here.

941
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that I'm like noticing in this contract.

942
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: So another big grievance that was had was the lack

943
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: of full time positions and so like, if you want

944
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: to get a full time inside job, you know there

945
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: is a seven to ten year wait list for that, right.

946
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: So this US, this tenetive agreement stipulates that there will

947
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: be a creation of seventy five hundred new full time

948
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: team shore jobs at UPS and the fulfillment of twenty

949
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: two five hundred open positions, but it doesn't specify if

950
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: that's going to be for inside work or for uh,

951
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, more more drivers. And you know I have

952
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: I have epilepsy, So I Am not going to be

953
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: a driver. Uh that's just doesn't seem ideal for me.

954
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: And yeah, I would I would like to see some

955
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: numbers on Uh, so that wait list is that going down? Like,

956
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: because that's like what I'm waiting for is to be

957
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: able to you know, snag one of those full time

958
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: inside positions. But I don't know, and like when you

959
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: think about you know, seventy five hundred full time positions.

960
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: It's also worth to keep in mind that ups employees

961
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty thousand people.

962
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, wait, yeah, so that's a two percent.

963
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like two percent. And like admittedly,

964
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: like you know, forty percent of that workforce is already

965
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: like they're full time drivers, but so that's like sixty

966
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: percent of that is part timers. And you know, I'm

967
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: not going to make anyone do more math, but seventy

968
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: five hundred for sixty percent of three hundred and forty

969
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,959
Speaker 2: thousand people.

970
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: Is.

971
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: It's not as exciting as just seeing that number itself, yes, right.

972
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 5: Which is like a shook, Like and this goes into

973
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 5: something you know, I've noticed, you know, with you know, coworkers,

974
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 5: which is always talking about you know, you know, we

975
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 5: need more hours and that you know.

976
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 4: That that is true to a degree. You know really though,

977
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: it's like, well we need more pay, you know, I

978
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: you know, I think that's you know, would be a

979
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 4: sign you know, it can be you know, like a

980
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 4: really strong union is that you know, we can even

981
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 4: just say, yeah, you know what, maybe people shouldn't be

982
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 4: working seventy hour weeks. Yeah, you know, maybe we should

983
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: cap that at thirty with you know PT pay that

984
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 4: you know pays like full time. But of course, you

985
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 4: know we're not there. You know, we need these jobs

986
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: that can actually provide you know, definitely not going to

987
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 4: knock that, but you know, would definitely like to see

988
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 4: that overall shift kind of just you know, in our

989
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 4: culture of you know, we don't need to work more

990
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: to have our needs met.

991
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: I think it's also sort of important to understand about

992
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: ups jobs. It's like you're fucking destroying your body. So

993
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: especially if you're like if you're if you're if you're

994
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: one of the people shorting packages like you are lifting

995
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: like you were lifting like thousands of packages a day.

996
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: These things can weigh up to like eighty fucking pounds.

997
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: They can weigh up to one hundred and fifty.

998
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: One hundred fifty Jesus Christ never.

999
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 4: Mind, Okay, one fifty is the other limit. Seventy pounds

1000
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 4: is where you know you can do team lift. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1001
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 4: I know. Like talking to a feeder driver recently, was

1002
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 4: talking about having a you know, two of those trailers

1003
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: hooked up and weighing in at something like seventeen thousand

1004
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: pounds on the scale Jesus obviously you know that's the

1005
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 4: cabin engine included, I believe, but you know that's not

1006
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: my world. I'm kind of completely unfamiliar with that side

1007
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 4: of things. But still, yeah, it's like a lot of weight,

1008
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: you know, is we're carrying so many packages every day.

1009
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a lot of wear and tear on

1010
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 3: the body.

1011
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: And management's always pushing you to move faster too.

1012
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1013
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: Like I had a uh, a worker who is a

1014
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: feeder driver for another hub, and she was telling me

1015
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: that a supervisor there was telling newly hired part time

1016
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: employees that it's actually safer to work faster instead of slower. What. Yes, Yeah,

1017
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 2: that makes no fucking sense, no fucking sense at all.

1018
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: And like one of the reasons they have an incentive

1019
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: to make us work really fast, which is that the

1020
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: full time soups get a parts per hour bonus, uh,

1021
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: depending on how fast we go. So you know, they

1022
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: will harass you into working faster, even though you know

1023
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: we're moving these thousands of fucking packages. They'll harass us

1024
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 2: to move faster so that they get a bonus off

1025
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: of the packages that we handled, and moved.

1026
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 4: I mean, like this last week in the you know,

1027
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 4: I think it was like mid nineties outside or something,

1028
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 4: you know, and we're not getting Oh do you need water?

1029
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 4: Do you need to rest? It was, Oh, you're not

1030
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 4: working fast enough. Like your packages per hours you know,

1031
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 4: too low. You know, it's that kind of constant you know,

1032
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: harassment or you know maybe sometimes like you know, I know,

1033
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 4: my supervisors a little bit more subtle about it, you know,

1034
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: versus you know, outright being like, oh, you need to

1035
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 4: work faster, because that's the thing is in our contract.

1036
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 4: You know, there's no kind of productivity quota. You know,

1037
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 4: we work safe, we follow the methods. That's something I

1038
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 4: really try and you know, really focus on because you know, ideally,

1039
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: you know, I want to you.

1040
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 3: Know, I would like to be here longer.

1041
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, silly enough as that is for job with terrible conditions, but.

1042
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: You know, also it's a job that has ASI.

1043
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: And that yeah, that's the big thing.

1044
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 4: And it's like, I don't you know, what's a pinch

1045
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 4: you're going to do if you know, I'm you know,

1046
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: have some kind of you know, grave injury from from

1047
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: the jobs, but.

1048
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: Still, yeah, you're dead with heat exhaustion, it's like, well,

1049
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: a pension doesn't pay out, like.

1050
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just yeah, it's wild. It's wild. Man.

1051
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: I am going to be really excited to see how this,

1052
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: how this smoke goes.

1053
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting day at work.

1054
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure that I'll have those people

1055
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: that know that I know about the union come up

1056
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: and talk to me to ask me what I think

1057
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: about it, uh, because I'm the only person they know

1058
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: that knows anything about the union, because, as we talked

1059
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: about earlier, union reps just are barely ever there. Yeah,

1060
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: and yeah, we'll see, we'll see. Man. That's I'm just

1061
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: now really thinking about that seventy five hundred full time

1062
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: jobs three percent, two or three percent, depending on the

1063
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: metric that you're looking at.

1064
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean not enough.

1065
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, wild wild. And now that as is

1066
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: a at best, a delayed opportunity for a strike to

1067
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: build those as we talked about earlier, those necessary, necessary

1068
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: muscles that need to be exercised. Yeah, and that's at best.

1069
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: You know, we might have we might have missed it.

1070
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1071
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll see, we'll see.

1072
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1073
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: That fucking sucks.

1074
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a curveball to get for the podcast.

1075
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: Well most unless you have anything else you want to

1076
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, actually going to wrap up this incredibly

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Speaker 1: chaotic episode that could happen here in which we discovered

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Speaker 1: the chaos of a not open bargaining process and what

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Speaker 1: that looks like live on air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, exciting times. But yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I feel like I hit all my notes

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Speaker 2: and some that I wasn't even planning on hitting because

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Speaker 2: we had this new information, so.

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Speaker 4: Right, good lord, that was like we couldn't have been

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Speaker 4: like an hour earlier, so I could have at least well,

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Speaker 4: you know, you can join us next for the live

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Speaker 4: analysis of the over three hundred page contract.

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Speaker 2: That we got, like just the highlights.

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Speaker 1: Of Oh yeah, but thank you you both for thank

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Speaker 1: you both for coming on. And yeah, I guess I

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Speaker 1: guess if the strike happens, we can talk to you

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Speaker 1: again or maybe also if it doesn't, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely thank you for having us on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love to stay in contact to talk about if

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Speaker 2: we do go on strike or you know, if we don't,

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Speaker 2: would love I would absolutely be open to a follow

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Speaker 2: up on that.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, so where can people go if they

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Speaker 1: want to support like the strike or also potentially the

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Speaker 1: rake and file workers who are trying to like make

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Speaker 1: sure it happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that a good place to follow,

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Speaker 2: or like a good source I guess to follow would

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Speaker 2: be to follow the team Service for a Democratic Union.

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Speaker 2: If there is going to be any movement that is

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Speaker 2: in the union that's organized, it's going to be coming

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Speaker 2: from them most likely, So they are the better version

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Speaker 2: I would say to follow on that front. And of

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Speaker 2: course you can still follow the regular Teamsters page and

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Speaker 2: stuff like that to see what's going on. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be weird. I don't know what the TDU

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Speaker 2: line is going to is going to be on this, so.

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Speaker 4: It's like we'll see and you know, hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 4: if we can strike obviously, Yeah, come out to yeah,

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Speaker 4: support your fellow workers, and you too will also be

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Speaker 4: able to coordinate, you know, with rank and file on

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Speaker 4: union reps, you know what kind of needs there might

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Speaker 4: be out on the picket line.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Also and yeah, thank you yeah very much for

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Speaker 3: having us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for coming on. Yeah, this has been

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Speaker 1: nicking up here. Go on strike, don't let your leadership

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Speaker 1: tell you not to go on strike. Simply do the

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Speaker 1: big and organize so you could do it again.

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