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Speaker 1: Hey, Jim Salisbury is here. We're going right to the

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Speaker 1: Phillies and the Philly Show Star. Jim is here because

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Speaker 1: this week I think you were the Philly Show Star. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it, Kratz. I mean, I can't say it

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Speaker 1: the entire year. I have to be fair and nice

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Speaker 1: to all of the different kids, right, you can't pick

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Speaker 1: your favorite kid, but this week I can, Jim. And

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Speaker 1: here's why. You had your little bus prop situation going

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Speaker 1: on with Kyle Schwarber, and it landed perfectly if you

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Speaker 1: want to start off the conversation that way. How you doing, man?

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Speaker 2: Good are you? Scott? I got a new prop today.

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Speaker 2: This is for Eric Kratz to make him feel at home.

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Speaker 3: Mmmmm oh yeah, can't beat it.

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Speaker 2: How are you? Guys?

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Speaker 1: We're good? So tell us tell us about what you

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Speaker 1: did with Schwarber though. I think that people would like

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Speaker 1: it and they might want to click over there to

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Speaker 1: see what you did the episode right before the Schwarber

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Speaker 1: signing and then of course mix in. You guys felt

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Speaker 1: this was common.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could feel it coming. Honestly, I could feel

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Speaker 2: it coming in July. This guy, he's just been such

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Speaker 2: a success story in Philadelphia, from his performance on the

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Speaker 2: field to his impact in the clubhouse, to his impact

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Speaker 2: in the community, and the way the fans embrace him,

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Speaker 2: and knowing the owner, John Middleton, and the way he

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Speaker 2: to let this guy get away. I know he's going

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Speaker 2: to play at thirty three next year, but you know,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't play defense, so he's not going to lose

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Speaker 2: a step. If you go on the advanced metrics and

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Speaker 2: look at his bat speed, it is elite, and the

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Speaker 2: way he takes care of himself, it should remain top notch,

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Speaker 2: if not elite, throughout the life of this five year contract.

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Speaker 2: He's an improving hitter as well. I mean, he had

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Speaker 2: could just feel it going that way. I think it

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Speaker 2: heard some of the teams that were in it, and

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Speaker 2: I think it was very telling that, you know, Baltimore seriously,

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Speaker 2: seriously in it. Pittsburgh in It, Cincinnati in It. All

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Speaker 2: teams stocked with young players, all teams looking for that

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Speaker 2: winning no how And Kyle Schwarber, in addition to being

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Speaker 2: a great productive power hitter, is great with young players.

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Speaker 2: He's like everybody's big brother in that room. And he's

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Speaker 2: a winner ten out of eleven years to the postseason.

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Speaker 2: He can, you know, help bring a winning intangible to

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Speaker 2: a testament to a lot of the intangibles that those

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Speaker 2: you could feel it coming. He knew he wanted to

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Speaker 2: Santa Claus. You knew it was gonna end before the

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Speaker 2: middle of December. So I had that little I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you can see it behind me as a

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Speaker 2: little bus. So I brought the bus on and said,

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Speaker 4: So all right, you had Joe Jillio on the show

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Speaker 4: w Ip Legend Joe and he said, he said, but

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Speaker 4: they got to change this up. They got to change

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Speaker 4: this up. Okay, Phillies brought Kyle Schwarmer back. Phillies need

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Speaker 4: a starting pitch, starting catcher. Probably gonna bring jt. Realmuto back.

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Speaker 4: Is Schwarber signing signifying that the Phillies are just gonna

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Speaker 4: run it back. And guys like Scott Broun think the

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Speaker 4: Phillies are just a regular season team and can never

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Speaker 4: get over the hump in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been an awfully good regular season team. They

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Speaker 2: haven't gotten over the postseason hump yet. But all it

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Speaker 2: this team to get hot. I think this team puts enormous,

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Speaker 2: just you know, demands winners. So they've put a lot

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Speaker 2: They're playing with house money. They played loose, they got

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Speaker 2: to Game six of the World Series. After that, you

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Speaker 2: know they're clenching those bad handles. They need to take

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Speaker 2: as terms of running it back, I mean that's a

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Speaker 2: very popular topic here in Philadelphia. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: are against it. But I'm not letting Kyle Schwarber walk

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Speaker 2: all that production, all that impact, and you know who's

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Speaker 2: going to handle this excellent pitching staff. JT. Real Mudo

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Speaker 2: an offer out to him. I believe it's probably a

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Speaker 2: But all along I have felt he's going to come

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Speaker 2: you know. I think there is some merit to bringing

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Speaker 2: there are other little corners of the roster that you

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Speaker 2: can you can do that, but both these guys, to me,

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Speaker 2: don't see I don't see anybody replacing real Mudo. He's

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Speaker 2: he's vital, and Kyle Schwarber what he does to that

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you if you I was gonna talk

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Speaker 3: is that is that? Has that happened? I just kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have an offer out to him, and I

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Speaker 2: And we know how this game is kind of gone.

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Speaker 2: They want They wanted to do a four year deal

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Speaker 2: it's worth it that, you know. You see all over

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. I still feel like JT's going to come

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Speaker 2: he is openly stumped for them to bring back.

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Speaker 2: Openly talked about how important he is to that pitching staff.

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Speaker 2: Pitchers love him, pictures want him back. I be surprised

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Speaker 3: Let me talk about another guy too. That was really

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Speaker 3: good stuff right there. I agree with you totally. I mean,

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Speaker 3: why not finish it off here a little bit? Nick Castianos,

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Speaker 3: So can you talk briefly about, you know, what you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no rumors really, because they've been you know, open

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Speaker 2: in acknowledging that they would like to provide him with

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Speaker 2: So I would be very surprised if he's in spring training.

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Speaker 2: In fact, i'd be stunned. I think they're very committed

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Speaker 2: him to It's become such a public topic that I

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Speaker 2: don't see how they can come to spring training with him,

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Speaker 2: because you got to get your own the guys you're

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Speaker 2: get them their bats. I don't see how they can

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Speaker 2: I think once this outfield market maybe shakes out a

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Speaker 2: can be productive when he's on and I'm sure the Phillies,

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Speaker 2: I know the Phillies would eat a significant portion of

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Speaker 2: They're just they've been too open with it, Like I said, uh,

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Speaker 4: I think the one area that Dombrowski fell short last year,

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Speaker 4: series to the Dodgers. Starting pitching outpitched the Dodgers. The

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Speaker 4: they had. Does he address that in a big name

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Speaker 4: like a Pete Fairbanks, because all the other big names

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. The way they addressed it

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Speaker 2: last winter did not pay dividends. I thought they did

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Speaker 2: But they would like to address that set up area.

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Speaker 2: they would have moved Strom, free up a little bit

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Speaker 2: of payroll, he's owed seven and a half. You know,

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Speaker 2: you could use that to go after a right hander

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Speaker 2: surprised if they don't address that bullpen. They they've already

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Speaker 2: I think we could see Crawford right out of the gate.

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Speaker 4: Jim quick One, the picture behind you is that Jake Deakman.

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Speaker 4: Deakman just an incredible athlete, owns all the records for

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Speaker 2: I bet he goes, and he was this close. He'll

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Speaker 2: he'll tell you he was this close to getting released.

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Speaker 2: It was like this last ditch effort, and he said,

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Speaker 1: Hey, Jim, you got to get Eric Kratz on the

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Speaker 1: Philly Show one time. All right, I'm waiting for that

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Speaker 1: inviting to listen to that episode. So just throw that

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Speaker 1: see you, but I need I need more of that.

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Speaker 1: I need that for an hour, if that's possible. I

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Speaker 1: know you talk to your people, see what happens. But

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Speaker 1: let's make it.

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Speaker 2: Happen my people. Ruben and Todd, we would love to

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Speaker 4: Only rub good.

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Speaker 2: There's actually a good, good chance to be on the

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Speaker 1: Krats for a day with Todd and Jim. I love it, Jim,

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Speaker 1: good to see you. Happy holidays.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you guys, thanks for having me. Happy Holidays

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Speaker 2: to you.

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