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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render Podcast. Brent,

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Speaker 1: what have we done to deserve such a such a noble,

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Speaker 1: noble crowd here?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's with good effort, you get

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Speaker 2: good results.

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Speaker 1: Good effort gets good results. Yeah, Okay, it's good to

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Speaker 1: see you, Brent.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while.

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Speaker 2: It has been anything.

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Speaker 1: You'd like to dress the audience about, just like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, just like where you've been, what you've been

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Speaker 1: doing that could be more important than being on the render.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been catching catfish, yeah, commercial fishing with my brother,

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Speaker 2: commercial in the Arkansas River and we've been doing pretty good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In Arkansas, if you put your nets out, you got

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Speaker 2: you gotta check them every forty eight hours during this

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Speaker 2: time of year, Yeah, cause the water temperature and they

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Speaker 2: get fish gets stressed and you don't want to lose

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Speaker 2: the resource, so we put them out. You got to

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Speaker 2: usually takes that long to catch a good mess of fish.

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Speaker 2: But this time you got to go. So that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: I've been missing, yeah, a couple and Cody's in my chair.

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Speaker 2: So there's that. The audience needs to know that if

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Speaker 2: I sound a little off, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Out of you.

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Speaker 1: You're out of the chair.

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Speaker 2: It didn't off. He told me to stay away.

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Speaker 1: Well, got to come back to the commercial fishing. But

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Speaker 1: let's let's introduce our Let's introduce our guests. We have

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Speaker 1: we have four employees of the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife

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Speaker 1: with us. All happened to be game wardens. Uh, Austin,

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Speaker 1: why don't you just introduce yourself? Tell me where you

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Speaker 4: My name's Austin Jackson. I'm the Craig Kenny game Orden.

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Speaker 4: I've been employed with Oklahoma Department Whilelife since twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Austin was the guy that contacted me that said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you need to do a podcast. I was wondering how

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Speaker 1: you Keith Green and uh and and just this paddlefish,

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Speaker 1: the whole paddlefish story awesome and man, you don't know

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Speaker 1: how many people do that and it and it just

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Speaker 1: There's no there's no limit to the amount of good

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Speaker 3: Hank, Yes, sir, I'm Hank Jinks. I'm the actually the

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Speaker 3: We we would write on the interstates twenty thirty forty

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, wow, that's really neat, really neat. Lieutenant Joe.

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Speaker 5: northeast Oklahoma. All the northern counties are kind of my counties,

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Speaker 5: but we can't talk about that.

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Speaker 1: There was a long secret information being traded between Joe

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Speaker 2: Man were like Mason's we got signs going over here

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I'm Cody Moore. I've been with the Wildlife

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Speaker 6: And I've been in law enforcement since twenty ten. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Man, I gotta say I love Oklahoma. Oklahoma is like,

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Speaker 1: is different than Arkansas. It's really it's it really is interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to articulate the differences in states. But if

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Speaker 5: So it's you know, we really got it all.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're right on the the echo tone between

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Speaker 1: All of those yeffer, yeah, yeah, football teams aren't any good,

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Speaker 1: the story Brent that I told all these guys before

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Speaker 5: I didn't think that he would let her talk.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I should have. Hello.

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Speaker 7: I walked in today and there was Brent, who I

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Speaker 1: It Actually, this is not a joke. I kind of

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Speaker 1: No, but I gotta I gotta tell the story that

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Speaker 1: that I already told you guys, so Misty wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: heard it. When I first started baiting bears in Oklahoma,

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Speaker 4: He's one of the hardest working guys I've ever been around.

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Speaker 1: I appreciated a story that he told about his dad,

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Speaker 5: I know for a fact that he has worn wigs. No,

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Speaker 3: and there'd be fourteen bird dogs running around, and and

438
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 3: he'd talked about going fishing in his pond. But right

439
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 3: that's literally right in his backyard. You know, that's just

440
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: full of big fish and and he just he's he's

441
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: lived that life and and not just normal size elk.

442
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: He's not just I'm talking Boone and Crocodt elk all

443
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 3: over his house. Yeah, and he was just I was

444
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: just mesmerized by the I mean I can remember literally

445
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: sitting there right now. I can remember walking into his

446
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: house for the first time and thinking, that's kind of

447
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 3: game warding I want to be. Yeah, when I grew up.

448
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, he's hard to get ahold of it.

449
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 4: I call him all the time, and uh like he

450
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 4: doesn't answer and he'll call me back, Hey, Keith, what

451
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: you doing all I'm in New Mexico turkey hunting. Or

452
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 4: I called him after the podcast episode or the podcast aired. Yeah,

453
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: I said, no, Hey, Keith, what did you think of

454
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 4: the podcast? I thought you did a great job. He said, all,

455
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty good. I'm down here to lose in.

456
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 4: I just put a red fish in the cooler. He's

457
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 4: all over all the time. He loves life.

458
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

459
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now those guys are probably he and his brother

460
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 5: are some of the hardest working people you've ever seen.

461
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 5: And it would be I know it sounds weird that,

462
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 5: you know, it's hard to keep up with him, and

463
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 5: we joke about that and all that, but it's it

464
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 5: is the absolute truth. I mean, they will work circles

465
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 5: around people. It's it's crazy how they're just I would

466
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 5: hate to say infatuated, but they're just you know, they're

467
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 5: they're hundred and ten percent, like Austin said, with whatever

468
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 5: they're doing. And yeah, I fished with the with Larry

469
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 5: and then before and it's and it just wears me

470
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 5: out to be around them. But you have such a

471
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 5: great time but those guys are just so intense and

472
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 5: their their experts at their craft. Yeah it's amazing. Yeah,

473
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 5: well it was. I just was with him for a

474
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: couple of hours.

475
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: But everything you're saying just it confirms what I what,

476
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: I what I felt, what I was with him. But yeah,

477
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: incredible guy. So our our well, Hank, Any anything stand

478
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: out to you in the podcast.

479
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 3: Like, uh yeah, so one one thing that really stood

480
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: out that I had never heard I was with them

481
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: when we caught wisherd that Oh you were there. Yeah,

482
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: I was there.

483
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, I was gonna ask any.

484
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: Crazy thing was though my wife and I we were

485
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: we're driving, We're driving down to a ranch last night,

486
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: listened and I kicked it on. We started listening. She

487
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: was just mesmerized. She had never heard She knows all

488
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: these players, but had never heard a lot of these stories.

489
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: And I started listening to his story the first night.

490
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: I didn't know about that, and I'm thinking that is

491
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: nothing like what happened, because I it, I wasn't there

492
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: for that night and I'm thinking this, there was like

493
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: seven or eight of us, and so anyway, I realized

494
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: when he said I let him go, I'm like, oh,

495
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: this has been twenty five years ago or what. But yeah,

496
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: you know, that was one of that night. I'll never

497
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: forget it, and I'll it was one of those nights

498
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: where I really felt like I was being a game warden.

499
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: I mean we met, it was kind of I was

500
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: called like at the last minute, not going to give

501
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: you any details, meet us here, and we all drove

502
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: down to you'd literally have to drive through about two

503
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: counties to get to the backside of that area where

504
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: those guys had put in. And I can remember walking

505
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: through the woods there was I would say, trying to

506
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: remember six or seven guys, maybe eight. We were walking

507
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: through the woods, all camoed out the whole nine yards

508
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: and thinking, like Keith said, that they weren't they would

509
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: be taking out there later. And we heard that that

510
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: that undeniable sound of metal chain hitting a metal boat.

511
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: Now is it dark yet? Oh yeah, so you know

512
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: they're going to pull out in the dark.

513
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: Well, but the thought the thought was was that they

514
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: were not. They would not be putting in there. You know,

515
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: Keith was talking about they thought they were putting it

516
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: in one place on the other side of the river,

517
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: on the Wagner County side, and bringing out on the

518
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: on what would be the east side of the river.

519
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 3: It makes a big bend, but it's kind of north

520
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 3: and south, but it's the east west part of the river.

521
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: And we were on the east side and thinking that

522
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: they would A truck was going to be coming in,

523
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: so we were going to get all in position watch

524
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: the truck come in and unload the fish. They're unloading

525
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: the boat. When we got there, we can hear them unloading,

526
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: and so Jeff and I were probably the youngest guys there.

527
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: There was there was when when would this event? Ninety

528
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: six fish and so we heard the boat take off

529
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 3: to go run the nets, and so Jeff and I

530
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: got tasked with basically hiking down the shore and trying

531
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: to get a view of them. And we and I

532
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: don't know if it's something that they mentioned, but we

533
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: think kind of what happened was there's there's a long

534
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: island that kind of obscures if you were on the

535
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: other side of the river, you couldn't see, you know,

536
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: it's a it's a long island that's really close to

537
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: the to the east shore. We think they come up

538
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: into that area to to process those fish. You know,

539
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: they'd caught them wherever, and they'd come up into that

540
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: area that protected you. You know, if you were on

541
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: the other shore, if a game warden was on there

542
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 3: looking over you, you couldn't have seen anything. You just

543
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: saw a boat disappear. And then you know, thirty minutes

544
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: later come out and we're watching them and I can't

545
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: I was trying to remember last night, if what I

546
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: could remember my mind eye on what if I can

547
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 3: you know, I think Jeff may have had some We

548
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: had binoculars and it was somewhat moon lit, and you

549
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: could you could tell kind of what they have had lights.

550
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing any like probably not these they

551
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: just worked it in the.

552
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: Dark and uh nets or were a snag they were

553
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: nets Mitz gil ntz Yes, yeah.

554
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: And uh and then it you know, this whole deal

555
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: may have taken an hour, and we're on communication with

556
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: Keith and we tell them and and they actually got

557
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: back to the ramp before we could get back to

558
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: before we could get there, you know, all the other

559
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 3: guys were there and we were having to hike.

560
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: Waiting and buy their truck. Yeah, so you had their truck. Yeah,

561
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: they had them.

562
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: They were caught, but that was kind of that was

563
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: probably one of the first uh big captures. You know.

564
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: There there were some other players and we could we

565
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: probably get to that as the day goes on, but

566
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: uh that that was one of my first experiences. I'd

567
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: been out western Oklahoma and just gotten back into eastern

568
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: Oklahoma and and and was getting re entered. It was

569
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: like it was, I can remember it.

570
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: So I was gonna ask if any of you guys

571
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: knew Billy Wishard.

572
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I don't know him.

573
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 6: So I worked with him at thettle Fish Center. So,

574
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 6: like I say, I started the first year there and

575
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 6: uh me wanted to be a game board and I

576
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 6: set lots of days for hours and he would explain

577
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 6: why they picked when they went, the conditions that they

578
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 6: would wait on, I mean the nights that they thought

579
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 6: the game warden was going to be at home, curled up.

580
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 8: Oh yeah.

581
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 6: And as a matter of fact, it's kind of a

582
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 6: funny deal. And I guess we can say this now.

583
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 6: When he knew I went to be a game warden.

584
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 6: The next time I saw him, he said, you know,

585
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 6: I made two game wardens game warden the year in Oklahoma.

586
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 6: He said, for a price, I may go back to

587
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 6: Nett and make you game.

588
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: So the stuff that he was telling you, Cody, I

589
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: mean you used that absolutely absolutely.

590
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 6: You know he talked about a real because there I

591
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 6: don't know the boat.

592
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 8: I wasn't there.

593
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 6: That was heck, not to show Hank's age, but I

594
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 6: think I was in the elementary school when that happened.

595
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 8: But but they were.

596
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: Thirty years old. I don't know what you're talking.

597
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 6: They were using small boats a lot of the times.

598
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 6: He said, they wouldn't even use a motor if they

599
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 6: could help it, if they could just paddle out there.

600
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 6: And he wanted a windy, cloudy night, sleep hail, you

601
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 6: know the word nasty it was. And then the more

602
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 6: time that they thought that a game warden was going

603
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 6: to be at home by the fire was the day

604
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 6: they would do that. And it's funny to hear him

605
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 6: and Keith sit there because Billy talked about a lot

606
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 6: of nights that Keith caught him but didn't know he

607
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 6: caught him. Yeah, what do you mean, Well, like he

608
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 6: talks about one night he had a guy that was

609
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 6: a lookout and Keith drove up and there was a

610
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 6: car backed into some weeds and Billy was in the

611
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 6: back seat of I think it was a station wagon.

612
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 6: But he was screening eggs in the back of that truck.

613
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 6: Will He said, the headlights hit the car that he

614
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 6: was in and he had that lookout and for whatever reason,

615
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 6: he said, that lookout was wearing like nice clothes. And

616
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 6: Keith got out and talked to him for a second

617
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 6: and said, are you here to meet a woman? And

618
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 6: he said yes I am. He said, well, I'll leave

619
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 6: you to your business, and he got back in this

620
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 6: truck and left, and Billy was screening eggs in the

621
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 6: back of that car.

622
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 8: Oh wow, it was funny to hear.

623
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 6: You know, Keith never knew that he had caught him

624
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 6: that night, but Billy's telling him those stories and.

625
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Wow, So what was what was Billy Wisher like?

626
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: Then?

627
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Let me give it, let me frame the question a

628
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: little bit better. Keith said, Billy had like sold caviare

629
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: in New York. And then you hear that Billy was

630
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: making a ton of money. It At first I just

631
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: felt like, uh, I mean, he was just like a

632
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, for I mean, this is a term of

633
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: endearment to me, so I can say it just like

634
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: a like a dirt poor country boy.

635
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 6: You know.

636
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: But then it's like, well, shoot, if this guy had

637
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: been doing this for years making half a million dollars,

638
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: like maybe this guy's driving like nice cars and.

639
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 6: No, I could take you to the house that he

640
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 6: lived in and you would have never guessed it.

641
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

642
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he just a just a good old boy.

643
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 5: I mean, shut old, you know.

644
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

645
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 5: He would remind me a little bit of Brea. Yeah,

646
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: a little bit not you know, sure, no.

647
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: Criminal looking at.

648
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: No, he just a good old boy.

649
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

650
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 6: He did talk about when him and his wife went

651
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 6: and met some caviar buyer and I don't remember where

652
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 6: it was at his big city, New York City or

653
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: Los Ange, somewhere big, and they picked him up at

654
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 6: the airport in the limousine and and all this stuff,

655
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 6: and he was like country boy goes to the big city,

656
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 6: as the lady described it, you know.

657
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, uh that that that part of the

658
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: story surprised me. I didn't know anything about Billy. And uh,

659
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: the fact that he he came back to work for

660
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: the department, I mean, such a rare story. I wonder

661
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: how many times something like that, I mean maybe never.

662
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: It's like this crazy old movie you see where they

663
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: the guy finally gets out of prison for being a

664
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: safe cracker, and then the government sends a helicopter in

665
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: there to the outreaches of Colorado when he's out there

666
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: trying to fish, like we need you.

667
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like in Rambo part two. Yeah, when they when

668
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Rambo's in prison and Colonel Troutman goes back to get

669
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: to get Rambo and says, you're the only one who

670
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: can do it.

671
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: You're the only good John.

672
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 5: We need you.

673
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: But but Bill story.

674
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's wild.

675
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: Because they did. They said they interviewed folks nationwide. Yeah,

676
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: and they got the one guy that lit the fuse

677
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: on the whole thing. Yeah, to work there. It's pretty

678
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool, Joe.

679
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: What stood out to you any anything stand out to

680
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: you in the podcast or just all stories you're pretty familiar.

681
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 5: With, right, Yeah, No, it's it. I thought the podcast

682
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 5: was great and and it you know, it it ended

683
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: on kind of a cliff finger. I was like, man,

684
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 5: I wish I could hear about ten minutes more. I

685
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 5: think this is what did you want to do? What

686
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 5: did you want to hear? Well, I wanted I wanted

687
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: to hear you know, the rest of the story just

688
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: like Russian snacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because

689
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 5: it it I know how it went, and I know

690
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 5: you know, and it's there's a lot there.

691
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Well this this is a great place to tease the

692
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: next episode. I've put a before you were here, I

693
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: told these guys that we couldn't talk about Russians, and

694
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: we happened to have a jersey here that says Russia. Yeah,

695
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: so they've all been, they've all been.

696
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: Uh, it's a reminder.

697
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey you guys, you guys are welcome to come

698
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: back when Jeff comes in two weeks to do thender

699
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: after Russian snack. But no, that's that's great.

700
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 7: He talked about in the department there are a lot

701
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 7: of skeptics. Were any of you one of the skeptics?

702
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: And you know this, this is something I was thinking

703
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 3: about last night. And that's kind of a remembrance. When

704
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: we went to Wichard's house. You got to you gotta

705
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: remember that this was unheard of us getting all of

706
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 3: these process eggs. I mean, it's I'm sure it had happened,

707
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: but it it never happened to me, and obviously I

708
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: don't think it had happened to a lot of folks.

709
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: And we had you know, we had lieutenants out of

710
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: a couple of different districts, and we're all standing and

711
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: I can remember being out in the yard at his

712
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: house and looking at each other, like what are we

713
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: going to do with these eggs?

714
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: Now?

715
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, do we try to find a

716
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: buyer for the state? Do we what do we do?

717
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: And I truly listen to that podcast, I think there

718
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: might have been that might have been a catalyst, you know,

719
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: a segue for Keith, and Keith smarter than I am,

720
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: he probably thought, you know, because we truly didn't know

721
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: are we going to I mean, obviously we need to

722
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: save them for evidence evidentiary reasons, but it was like

723
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: we do we try to do something with them because.

724
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: Like you're talking about on that first big.

725
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: Guy, Yeah, the night we caught Richard, how many how much?

726
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I don't remember, it was a boat load.

727
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: I mean I would say three or four hundred pound,

728
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: I don't it long as a bunch, and more at

729
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: home and more at home. And and I had that

730
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: thought after you said that, if I remember they were

731
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: living in like a little mobile home at that time. Yeah,

732
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: when we went to their house, that's I'm having to

733
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: really reach back from that one. But it was, it

734
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, I don't remember it very well.

735
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, stand out in the yard.

736
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: You know some of the commentary I got just in

737
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: the last couple of days, and I maybe could have

738
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: clarified a little bit more that this was the first

739
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: program in the country to do this, and now a

740
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: bunch of states have adopted this. And if just if

741
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: you hadn't listened to the area, don't remember. You know,

742
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: what we're talking about is the people donating eggs and

743
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: then the state Game agency processes and sells the eggs

744
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: basically on the global caviar market. And at the time,

745
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma was the first one to do that, and today

746
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing Is that right?

747
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 6: No, Oklahoma wasn't the first to do it. They were

748
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 6: the first to do it voluntarily. In Montana and North Dakota,

749
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 6: they had a thousand fish limit and it was the

750
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 6: law that you had to bring your fish to the

751
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 6: table and cut the ox out of it. So there's

752
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 6: a I don't know if I should have to cut

753
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 6: this out. But there was a doctor Scarnekia from University

754
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 6: of Idaho that was our consultant in Oklahoma to start

755
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 6: that program, and he did it. He was up there

756
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 6: in Montana and North Dakota working on there. But in

757
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 6: the below Lake Sakakawea, I think, as how you've pronounced

758
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 6: it some it's on the border of North Dakota and Montana,

759
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: below the dam. That's the only place in the entire

760
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 6: state that you can snag a battlefish the way I

761
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 6: understand it. And when the thousandth fish hit the table,

762
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 6: they sounded a siren, and even if you had a

763
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 6: fish on you had to release that fish. The season

764
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 6: was over. But every fish that was caught there had

765
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 6: to go to that table, and that's what Keith Green

766
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 6: and Brent Gordon, the other paddlefish guy, they use that

767
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 6: as kind of a model. But we were the first

768
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 6: state to do it voluntarily. You didn't have to bring

769
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 6: your fish to the center, but up there you did.

770
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 6: The law said I had to be checked in at

771
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 6: that center. So yes, we were the first to do

772
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 6: it the way we did it, but we weren't really

773
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 6: the first to process eggs and sell them as a

774
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 6: state agencies.

775
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: I understood, So why aren't they still doing that today?

776
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: And I didn't really get into it on this podcast.

777
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: But so today that program is not is not going.

778
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: It ended a few years.

779
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 6: Ago COVID happened, and I know that that year they

780
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 6: processed a lot fewer fish. And if you look at

781
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 6: the amount of data they got over how many years

782
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 6: was it fifteen years that they did that, there's enough

783
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 6: data for the next one hundred years. It'll take them

784
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 6: to analyze that.

785
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 8: Truly. They don't need the as the day and there.

786
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Were the core mission of it was paddlefish research.

787
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't money, right, no, no, it wasn't.

788
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 5: Now as a byproduct, it generated a lot of money. Sure,

789
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: but the longer that program ran, the lower the the

790
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 5: historical prices of caviar went. And so you know, it's

791
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 5: a commodity just like corn or whatever. You know, if

792
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: you think about it, and so you know the fluctuation

793
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 5: and the price of beef for the price of corn, well,

794
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 5: the price of caviar, you know, it fluctuates as well.

795
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 5: And over time that has decreased.

796
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: You know.

797
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: When the program kicked off, caviar was it was like

798
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 5: you know gold, I mean it really was. But nowadays,

799
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 5: you know, you can buy caviar a lot cheaper than

800
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 5: you could fifteen years ago.

801
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: Do you guys like caviar?

802
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 5: It's an acquired taste.

803
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 8: Really, I haven't acquired.

804
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: It acquired.

805
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: You you like it?

806
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: Hank, Yeah, it's not. I mean I don't crave it,

807
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: but I don't mind Cracker.

808
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: Can you understand why people go so crazy about it? No,

809
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: you really don't know. Am I going to be unimpressed

810
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: when I have?

811
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: Probably? It's it's like if you think of the fishiest

812
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: fish you've ever eaten, that's what it's going to taste like.

813
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: You're out, misty out.

814
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: If you're not into fishy fish, you're you're it's not

815
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: you're not.

816
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: Did you hear that guy from California describe Yeah? Oh yeah,

817
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean when he described it's just like, wow, that's.

818
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: The way I describe what a baked coon tastes like.

819
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: Somebody when they asked, I thought I could see myself

820
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: in a little suit.

821
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: Wah, little minerality. You taste the you can taste the

822
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: ach earthiness.

823
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, by the way, you soil.

824
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 6: You talked to Keith Green and him and his brother

825
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 6: They had to kick him out of the Problem System

826
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 6: room a couple of times because they eat too much

827
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 6: caviar and they say, well, it tastes like salty butter. Well,

828
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 6: when I started, it was like eighty dollars an ounce

829
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: country crock and some salt, whole lot.

830
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 8: In caviar.

831
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Keith said he loved it. Yeah, those guys they do.

832
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 5: They enjoy it. And you know, it's like I said,

833
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 5: it's acquired taste. And just like Cody said, it's you know,

834
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 5: it would remind you of salty butter, maybe with a

835
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: hint of fishiness to it. I know several times they'll

836
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 5: have it at that when the processing center was up

837
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: and going, you know, they'd have digg and taries and

838
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 5: stuff come in and they would show off the paddlefish

839
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 5: center and everything, and I just take a little, you know,

840
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: piece of old square white bread and I'd take a

841
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 5: big doll up and throw it on there and smear

842
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 5: it on the white bread and eat that just like

843
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 5: butter and bread.

844
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: You know.

845
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 5: Is that square square white wonder bread right there probably

846
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: cost one hundred and fifty dollars, you know, but it yeah,

847
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 5: you know, it's just a it's acquired taste. To me,

848
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: it just tastes like butter, you know, butter. Yeah, it

849
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 5: just has a real buttery, soft consistency. Have you had

850
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 5: other Have you had sturgeon caviar? I've had an other caviar.

851
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was sturgeon, and it seemed

852
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 5: to be a lot saltier than this type of caviar.

853
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So my brother and I eat it, eat it.

854
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: What kind of caviar come out of a blue gill brim.

855
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: Come out of Oklahoma? Brought over the state line.

856
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: No, we was fishing down on the on the river,

857
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: almost got him. We called them on my game. Bro.

858
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: We caught a big mess of fish.

859
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: And we tell that stuff in Arkansas, you know.

860
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: Commercial story to tell Misty And this is recorded cleaning

861
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: fish on the back of the river, fishing and fry

862
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: them up, and it was springing of the year. And

863
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: bought them the big old blue gills. They had a

864
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: bunch of eggs in them. And my brother said, you

865
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: know what caviar is and I said, yeah, fish eggs.

866
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: He said, this stuff is expensive. He said, let's eat this.

867
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: I said, all right, we're gonna eat it. So we

868
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: pulled them out and throwed it on the side and

869
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: we got was frying fish. We're gonna have that as

870
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: a little appetite as before we got cooking the fish

871
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: and potaters in there, so we but he said, how

872
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: you fix them? I said, I don't know. I guess

873
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: they put meal on them in fry. That's the only

874
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: way I know to fix them. So we rolled them

875
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: around in the fit in.

876
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: The corner, still in the eggsact they were.

877
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: They was fishing to come out though, Yeah, were tough.

878
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: We dropped We dropped them in there for our or

879
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: to start our or DIRV cooking, and them rascals got

880
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: to popping like a string of fire fryers. It was

881
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: hot grease coming out of there. We look like we've

882
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: been attacked by yellow jackets when it was over with, really,

883
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: but there was enough to survive that we took a

884
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: bite of them and it was not pleasant.

885
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: Well there's even fried.

886
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean it tastes like fried corn meal. But it

887
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: was a little mush in there.

888
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: The texture is not to be attacking person.

889
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 5: You know, they weren't exactly processed.

890
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: No, but you got to let me tell you y'all

891
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: before y'all go to drop them in the hot grease,

892
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 2: Because I know it sounds so appetizing, but I just thought,

893
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: what you were safety glasses because there's some.

894
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: Hot cooking bacon neked.

895
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: I assume he.

896
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Cooking bacon neked. That's gonna be the next shirt.

897
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 5: Shirts and cut that part.

898
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's well, I've never had it. It seems like, well, okay,

899
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: this is my next question. Are there do you think

900
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: there's people in Oklahoma that have Sometimes people see a

901
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: trend and they just jump on it because it's a

902
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: trend all of a sudden. I mean, like me, like

903
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: if I went paddlefishing today and caught a big female

904
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: like I would be wanting to process the eggs and

905
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't just try it. A lot of people in

906
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: Oklahoma keeping their three pounds of muskegs.

907
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 6: Most of the people and I can't speak for them

908
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 6: that I see are using it for blue cat bait.

909
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

910
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: Really, what are they doing put it in?

911
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

912
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: Exactly how they use it?

913
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: Really?

914
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: And they're not even even after yes, the state it's

915
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: it's legal now you can use all of it for

916
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: that up to.

917
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 6: Ten pounds, and you can't have the eggs of more

918
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 6: than one fish.

919
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: Okay, on the podcast, did we say it correctly that

920
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: you can only have three pounds of process.

921
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 6: And that's if it's removed from the membrane.

922
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's processed, and that would be I mean you

923
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: would have to have that in like your freezer. I

924
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: mean that would be like nobody's processing eggs on the

925
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: like in the field.

926
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 5: You can process, you can screen them in the field

927
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 5: like that. Yeah, but you got to do something with

928
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: them pretty quick.

929
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: Explain to me what when you're talking about screening, tell

930
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: me how that was.

931
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 5: So imagine a screen similar to a screen door, but

932
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 5: it's you know, the mesh is different sizes.

933
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 8: Tennis tennis racket.

934
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 5: Now, if you sifted that sort of thing like that, yeah,

935
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 5: it'd be like that. But that membrane you've got to

936
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 5: and it takes a special gentle touch because you can

937
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 5: smash those eggs, you know, and they screen that right

938
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 5: through them, right through that screen and the eggs come

939
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 5: through the bottom. And basically you're just removing that membrane

940
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: that surrounds that sack of eggs.

941
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 6: Okay, you know, and the membrane so there's a blood

942
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 6: vessel that goes to every egg and that's basically what

943
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 6: you're removing from it is pushing it through that screen

944
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 6: and not hard.

945
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 8: It's a gentleness.

946
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: Austin is handing me a picture here, I guess from

947
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: the field that he's taken and it's like about the

948
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: size of like small rabbit wire, looks like like hardware cloth.

949
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: But you would you roll, you take them out of

950
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: the membrane and then put the eggs on that push

951
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: them through and then you catch them in a bucket

952
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: or something.

953
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've got a bowl with water underneath there that

954
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 5: you're catching them in. And then you know, you have

955
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 5: to use if you're processing them, you have to use

956
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: special salt that cannot have any chlorine in. Some of

957
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 5: the ones that use this stuff the most and process

958
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 5: it that it's a lot of the best salt comes

959
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: from Russia.

960
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: Salt comes from Russia.

961
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, wow, I can show you some pictures of it.

962
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: M interesting.

963
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: Then you got it. I assume you keep it cool

964
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: and you put it in the cool water.

965
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: Right, so they basically they'll they'll drain them, you know,

966
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 5: kind of like in a cheese cloth type deal.

967
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: If you want to do, is it different like when

968
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, what about you know you catch fish

969
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: early in the year, blue gill and catfish, and you

970
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: skin them and the eggs are real small, and they

971
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: just turning yellow and they ain't got any blood or

972
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: anything in them. Is it if you catch paddlefish that's

973
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: got row in it? Is it good from if you

974
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: got him? Or is it better a certain.

975
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 8: November.

976
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 6: I'd say November to the time they get ready to

977
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 6: dump their eggs, it's good, okay once It's kind of

978
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 6: a funny deal. And I don't know if Keith talked

979
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 6: about the process or not. When they really start spawning good.

980
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: The females that would come in, they've coated the eggs

981
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 6: with like a membrane. And if they were to that

982
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 6: point where they had coated the eggs in a membrane

983
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 6: and started to broadcast their eggs, once you salted them

984
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 6: they turned the milk. Something happens with that salt and

985
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 6: whatever they were coating them with. If they were right

986
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 6: at the point of spawning, they were not. You couldn't

987
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 6: make them into kafarkhal prior to.

988
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: That, so later you could you could have one that.

989
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 6: And I couldn't tell you what that timeframe is, but

990
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 6: a day maybe two days, when they were ready to

991
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 6: do it. Something happened to those eggs. Where as soon

992
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 6: as you put salt to them. It just turned to

993
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 6: like a gray, milky mess.

994
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: So, do you guys have any any good stories?

995
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: Uh?

996
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: You know, we just had this like kind of little

997
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: highlight on Billy Wishart and and I know there's probably

998
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: a bunch more any other unique stories of catching paddlefish? Guys?

999
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 8: Sold you want me to tell the basketball story.

1000
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 5: It's probably one of the most reasons this is basketball.

1001
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 8: Basketball.

1002
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I think it was two paddlefish seasons ago,

1003
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 6: is that right?

1004
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 8: It wasn't last year was two years ago.

1005
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 6: I'm just out working and had some guides come in

1006
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 6: and I'm checking them as they walk off the boat

1007
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 6: ramp and this little I don't know how he was eight, nine,

1008
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 6: ten years old kid. As soon as I walk up

1009
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 6: to the family, there was nine of them. The kid

1010
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 6: immediately says, sir, we know, we know that we can't

1011
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 6: leave the state with eggs. Well that's that's a clue.

1012
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: I hate kids, Yeah, we love but.

1013
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 6: So you know me, I find out that they were

1014
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 6: from another state, obviously on the East coast, and uh,

1015
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 6: I've realized that the only reason that little nine year

1016
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 6: old kid knew what was going on is because mom

1017
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 6: and dad had been talking about that the whole way here.

1018
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 6: So we started checking into them, figuring out We ended

1019
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 6: up figuring out where they were staying, which is a

1020
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 6: place up on Grand Lake, a resort. Well that was

1021
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 6: probably an hour and a half from where I was at.

1022
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 6: So I called Riley Willman, one of our game wardens,

1023
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 6: up there, and I said, hey, do you mind driving

1024
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 6: up there? And I'm trying to corroborate whether or not

1025
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 6: they are staying there or not. I said, just run

1026
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 6: up there and if you see a white Dodge Duly

1027
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 6: pickup truck show up here in the next hour and

1028
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 6: a half, let me know and then we'll get the

1029
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 6: cavalry and we'll show up.

1030
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: So did they Were they suspicious to you other than that?

1031
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: No?

1032
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 8: I don't know, no, no, no, okay.

1033
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 6: So so Riley goes up there and he gets in

1034
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 6: the resort and he decides there's a little cafe at

1035
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 6: the resort. He just goes and gets him some French

1036
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 6: fries and he's eating. Well, he sees the Dodge pull in,

1037
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 6: and I told him hang out there until I get there,

1038
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 6: and we you know, we're going to watch him and

1039
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 6: see what they're doing and all that. Well, there's some

1040
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 6: kids playing basketball and the resort at the basketball little

1041
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 6: parking lot, and Riley goes out there and starts playing

1042
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 6: basketball with him. That's a good undercover deal. You know,

1043
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: he's in playing.

1044
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Clothes, he's in plain clothes.

1045
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 6: He's playing basketball with him. And he said, within five minutes,

1046
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 6: this little kid, I'm guessing it was the same little

1047
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 6: nine year old.

1048
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 8: He didn't know that.

1049
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 6: He just saw some kids out there playing basketball. And

1050
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 6: he says, well, do you guys like to fish? Oh,

1051
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 6: we love to fish. That's why we're here. We've been

1052
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 6: paddle fishing. And me and my dad we love caviar

1053
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 6: and we have a bunch of it in our cabin.

1054
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 6: And so Riley has to go to the bathroom or whatever,

1055
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 6: leaves and calls me on the phone. He says, dude,

1056
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 6: you're not going to boa.

1057
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: What just happened.

1058
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 6: So we watched them all day. We watched them, you know,

1059
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 6: doing the process screen and eggs and all that. And

1060
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 6: then the next morning, we still watching them, waited on them.

1061
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 6: They loaded a brand new freezer they'd bought it lows

1062
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 6: in the back of that truck, plugged it in, and

1063
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 6: then they were leaving to leave the state. And I

1064
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 6: think seventy four pounds, and.

1065
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 8: They were all.

1066
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 6: We found out through the process of that that they

1067
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 6: had told some people that if they could get back

1068
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 6: home with it, they could sell. Then they packaged it

1069
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: in one pound containers. They could sell that for one

1070
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 6: hundred for four hundred dollars a pound.

1071
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

1072
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 6: Wherever that where they were going back home?

1073
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: So you had to wait till they cross the state line.

1074
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 6: Though, well, you can't possess the eggs with the intent

1075
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 6: of leaving the state. Okay, so we didn't actually wait

1076
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 6: on them to cross the state, but a lot of

1077
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 6: time we wait on them to get they'll they'll pass

1078
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 6: the last exit and then on the highway. Well, there's

1079
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 6: no way they could say they were going to get

1080
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 6: off before they leave the state, and we stop them

1081
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 6: and do it that way.

1082
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: But wow, So that answer is part of my question.

1083
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: It feels like sometimes stuff comes like in and out

1084
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: of vogue of even being something that people try to

1085
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: get away with. And I wondered if all the publicity

1086
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: around caviar eggs and being illegal and all this, because

1087
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, this has happened to a lot of other

1088
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: states too, you know, if people are still trying to

1089
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: get out of state with.

1090
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 6: It nothing like it was. I started up there in

1091
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 6: twenty eleven and that was the tail end of it.

1092
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 6: I'd say I got in three or four years, nothing

1093
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 6: like these guys did. But I know, uh, we've talked

1094
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 6: to some guys and obviously when I started to now,

1095
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 6: our regulations are a million times more strict than they were.

1096
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 6: And we I asked a guy one time that used

1097
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 6: to when I started, we'd se him ten times a year,

1098
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 6: every year, and I hadn't seen him in five years,

1099
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 6: and I asked him, why why aren't you here? And

1100
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 6: he was a Russian that you know, from Russia or

1101
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 6: one of the Russian speaking countries, and he said, you

1102
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 6: guys made it too tough on us.

1103
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 8: So whatever we did worked.

1104
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of them have figured out that

1105
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 6: it's just not worth their time because the laws.

1106
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 8: Of yeah obviously changed.

1107
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, interesting, that's a good story, and any other

1108
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: good Paddlevish bus stories.

1109
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were in when you were talking about crossing

1110
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: the state line. You know, during that time, there were

1111
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: it seems like that I can remember there were about

1112
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: four or five names, most of them were family names

1113
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: that we would deal with that were that were in

1114
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: the paddlefish trade, the caviar trade. But one guy, actually

1115
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 3: he was kind of a solo and he we got

1116
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: on his track when he was coming up Highway fifty

1117
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: nine between the little town of Stillwell and Salasaw, there's

1118
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: a big hill they call it the Slide, and he

1119
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: had a camper load. The entire back of his truck

1120
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: was loaded with fresh water muscles. And I think, you know,

1121
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 3: looking back, even before my time, I don't know much

1122
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: about it, but I think that was kind of almost

1123
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: like a segue into muscle picking muscle keepers and we've

1124
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 3: we've gone you know, you know, the whole commercial end

1125
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 3: of it. You can't do it now. But they were

1126
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: so a trooper stopped him. He had actually broke down.

1127
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: Trooper comes in, talks to him and ends up getting

1128
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 3: a guy record to get him to the top of

1129
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: the hill and lets him go on. But he calls

1130
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 3: the game board and it's quoi, kind of like two

1131
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. He said, hey, it's just kind

1132
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: of a weird deal. And so they end up they

1133
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: we ended up finding the truck and stopped him at

1134
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 3: when he crossed the state line at probably at Fort

1135
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 3: Smith and uh, and and and that was our that's

1136
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: the first meeting with this guy. He was kind of

1137
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: a bad element. He ended up, uh he was. There

1138
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: were several run ends with him, uh one, but it

1139
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: kind of all culminated with We knew he was paddle

1140
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 3: fishing and he lived over in the Wagner area, and

1141
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: one of our undercover guys had gotten word that he

1142
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: was going to be coming taking a big load of

1143
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: eggs out of state, and so we had then it

1144
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: was kind of the Feds were more involved than than

1145
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 3: they were on a lot of our stuff.

1146
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: But uh.

1147
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 3: Uh, our undercover guy was following him in this old

1148
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 3: Bronco and between Wagner and Salom Springs he turned off

1149
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: and would take a dirt road. Like fifteen times. We

1150
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: were on the phone and I was at sitting at

1151
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: Salem Springs like one of the first roads inside the

1152
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 3: state line in my game arden truck and waiting on

1153
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: him and this uh, this game board kept calling him.

1154
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: He's like, man, he's turned off again. I've lost him

1155
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: for a minute, and he would find him and and

1156
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 3: finally he got behind him about a mile out of

1157
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 3: Silom and he said he's coming, He's he's coming through

1158
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: and I stopped him about a mile into Arkansa and

1159
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 3: we got it. Finally got a pretty good prosecution on

1160
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 3: him that time.

1161
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: And he now what he had?

1162
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: Eggs?

1163
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 3: Oh, he had a hole truckload of processed eggs. Really. Yeah,

1164
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: we we ended up processing. That was the only time

1165
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: I've ever arrested him by an Arkansas So we we

1166
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 3: processed him at the Silent Springs Police department down there,

1167
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: Like what are you guys doing? So but uh, yeah,

1168
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: it was, it was. It was a memorable one interesting.

1169
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 6: So so the last part of that story, and I

1170
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 6: probably should have said this, when we stopped that truck,

1171
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 6: that little kid got out, the same little kid that

1172
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 6: had said we can't take eggs out of state, and

1173
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 6: the same kid that played basketball walked up because me

1174
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 6: and Riley were still in plain clothes driving unmarked vehicles,

1175
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 6: walked up to Riley and looked at his dad, said, hey,

1176
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 6: that's the guy we played basketball with yesterday.

1177
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 8: So we're not sure that kid made.

1178
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: It back to.

1179
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 8: Yes, we're looking for him.

1180
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a long ride home for them.

1181
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1182
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 5: You got to love kids though, because they're you know,

1183
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 5: they're brutally on us. Yeah, you know, and sometimes it

1184
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 5: works out, sometimes it doesn't.

1185
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 9: For dead kids and ex wives are a gold.

1186
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: I bet so, I bet so. That's wild. So where

1187
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: would this guy have been selling? Like, where are they

1188
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: selling eggs today? Do you think people just have little markets?

1189
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: It's like like they just like know people that you know.

1190
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 3: We that's some of the stuff we deal with. They're

1191
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: like fish markets too, and and some of the bigger

1192
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: towns that we were constantly getting tips on that guys

1193
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: are going out and and uh and and gathering up

1194
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 3: fish to take to these bigger cities, a bigger fish market.

1195
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: And I'm sure there's still a somewhat of them if

1196
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 3: I remember there. At the time he was going, they

1197
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: had an informant who actually had told us that he

1198
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: was bringing him to him in like Tennessee or Kentucky.

1199
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: So that's how we knew where that he was going

1200
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 3: to leave that day. And he left right on time,

1201
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: but it took three hours to drive. You know, fifty minds.

1202
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: You know he's being followed.

1203
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: You things I think this guy was. I'll tell you,

1204
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: I'll give you a little glimpse into him. He did

1205
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: his homework, he actually so, So we have two game wardens.

1206
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: I guess we two game wardens and one of them

1207
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: retired in Sequoia County of brothers, and one of them

1208
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: was was out of in another district at the time,

1209
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: but he went by. He somehow found out that their

1210
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: mother worked at loves at Weber's falls on I forty

1211
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 3: went in and said that he was an Arkansas game

1212
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: warden and that he I know these guys and started

1213
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: talking to their mother and getting information about how they

1214
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: do and you know, where are they at now? And

1215
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 3: and she we finally pieced again leak some information. Mama

1216
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: leaked some information. But he's just that kind of guy.

1217
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: He I mean, there was some criminal element, you know,

1218
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: and that's that's that's the thing I think that that

1219
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: that makes this so much different is that you know,

1220
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you're always we're always dealing with the things

1221
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 3: you think of as a game board, and whether it's

1222
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: a guy taking a little you know, an extra deer

1223
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: or they're chasing a turkey. But these are guys that

1224
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: were exploiting the resource and uh, you know, and some

1225
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: of them were involved in a lot of other stuff

1226
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: outside of Yeah, if you knew, if we really knew,

1227
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: you know, if they're picking up eggs and selling them

1228
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: adleegally in four states over they're probably and telling what they're.

1229
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not selling these eggs to Walmart, you know

1230
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 5: they're there. There's with each little culture, you know, there's

1231
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 5: there's an Asian culture and there's an Eastern European culture,

1232
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 5: and these these cultures of people are embedded, you know,

1233
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 5: within these rural communities around the US, and there's these

1234
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 5: little mom and pop markets and things like that that

1235
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 5: you'll see that are very unique, you know, to that

1236
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 5: specific culture, and you would be amazed at what you

1237
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:11,959
Speaker 5: could buy in some.

1238
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: Of those.

1239
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: You saying that reminds me of gallbladder stuff with bears.

1240
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: I used to get bear bait from from an Asian

1241
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: guy that had a donut shop, and I was buying

1242
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: the donuts from him, and I was real. I was

1243
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: never I never lied to him ever, but I never

1244
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: really told him exactly what I was doing, just bought

1245
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: donuts from him. And one day he was like, we

1246
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: kind of became buddies and he was like you what

1247
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: are you doing with this stuff? And I was like, man,

1248
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: actually bear hunting, and his eyes just lit up and

1249
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: he said he literally was like, can you get me

1250
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: some gallbladders, and man, I you I was telling all

1251
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: y'all how paranoid I was.

1252
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: I was just like, how much they were?

1253
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: How much money you got? I was just like stop.

1254
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: But he had no idea, Like this guy, I guarantee

1255
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: you he would have He probably would have bought anything.

1256
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: I would have sold it and never even dreamt that

1257
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: it was illegal. Like this guy probably didn't even know

1258
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: there were bears in America, you know, And and and

1259
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: in his culture was such something something that was sought

1260
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: after and valued absolutely. And but to us, it's like

1261
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: this criminal ring. That's that's interesting to me when you

1262
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: see how and not the foreshadow too much into the

1263
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: Operation Russian Snag, but some of that was going on

1264
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: there too.

1265
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 4: I think now that was something I didn't really realize

1266
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 4: when I became a game word, and is how much

1267
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 4: interaction you had with different cultures. You know, we interact

1268
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 4: with like the mong culture, the Russian culture, the Hispanic culture,

1269
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 4: and it's a it's a variety of people that we

1270
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 4: deal with on a day to day basis. And I

1271
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: have learned a ton about worldwide cultures just doing this job.

1272
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: And that was something I never even dreamt that I

1273
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 4: would learn doing this job as super interesting to me.

1274
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: Hey, go ahead and tell me your story about I

1275
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: told these guys, you know, we weren't going to talk

1276
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: about we weren't going to give away the give away,

1277
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: the punchline to all of this stuff. But tell me

1278
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: about this Russian jacket. Yeah.

1279
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 4: So me and Cody were down at Mazie Landing, which

1280
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 4: is a river access down there by Prior and we

1281
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 4: were watching paddlefishmen. It was paddlefish time and we had

1282
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: a guy come up on a boat and he had

1283
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: a It was a small violation. It wasn't what we

1284
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 4: were really after. It was something that we could give

1285
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 4: a verbal warning for and going down the road, and

1286
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 4: so we did. He was very very nice. We were

1287
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 4: nice to him. Interaction was done and we had left. Well,

1288
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 4: we were we were sitting over waiting on some other

1289
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 4: guys to come through, and he approached our vehicle and

1290
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 4: we stopped and talked to him. You know, hey, man,

1291
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 4: what's up? And he said, Man, I just want to

1292
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 4: tell you, like how thankful I am how you guys

1293
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 4: treated me. I said, well, you know, no, no big deal.

1294
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 4: You know, that's how we do it. And he said, no,

1295
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 4: you don't understand where I come from. They would have

1296
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 4: cut my hands off for a violation of the law. Like, well,

1297
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 4: we don't do that here in Oklahoma anymore.

1298
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, we wait until the second violator.

1299
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 3: We recently stopped.

1300
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 4: So, but he said, no, I want to I want

1301
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 4: to give you this. And it was a Russia jacket.

1302
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. And what was this jacket?

1303
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 9: He was a coach for one of their national teams.

1304
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: Wow, So this was really meaningful to him.

1305
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 9: It was super cool.

1306
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 4: Cody's still mad at me about it because it was

1307
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 4: down in his county.

1308
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: Cody wanted it.

1309
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 8: I don't know why he picked him.

1310
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: You're not good in that jacket. Yeah, that's my size

1311
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: and everything.

1312
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, it didn't even fit me. But it's great.

1313
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Austin has a knack for that. So our patch

1314
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 3: changed in four or five years ago from the one

1315
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 3: that that you have there. And and so there's this

1316
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 3: old game warden patch that's it's triangle shaped and it

1317
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 3: says ranger and I mean they're like hen's teeth. No

1318
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: one can get them. There's just a few. There's like

1319
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: one on the wall at headquarters and we've all seen

1320
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: them and just you know, always wanted one. He's setting

1321
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: at a restaurant and an old man walks in and

1322
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 3: Vanita che restaurant, a Chinese restaurant, and said, hey, an

1323
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 3: old game warden lived at my house and h left

1324
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 3: a bunch of you know, stuff up in the attic.

1325
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 3: He said, I was wondering if you want it. Austin's like,

1326
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 3: heck yeah. So he brings him an ike jacket, which

1327
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: is like our formal jacket. And Austin brings it to

1328
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: a to a district meeting, and it had had all

1329
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 3: kinds of old like policy manuals and all kinds of

1330
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 3: neat stuff in it. But we're looking at it. I

1331
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 3: stick my hand in the inside coat pocket and I

1332
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: feel something in it. I can tell it's a patch.

1333
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 3: And I pulled it out and it's a stack of

1334
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: those patches, Like how many were they're five?

1335
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 9: Four or five?

1336
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so very few people have that patch. Before I

1337
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 3: showed it to him. Before I showed him, I said,

1338
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: I get one. He goes, what's in there? I said,

1339
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 3: I get one.

1340
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 6: It's like he was kind of like where he's at

1341
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 6: right now. We were guarding the door. He wasn't gonna

1342
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 6: get out give it at least US three.

1343
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what's evaluation times coming up.

1344
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, that's cool. So what are today's most

1345
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: common paddlefish violations? Because it's becoming more and more popular more,

1346
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: am I right? Or maybe not more and more. It's well,

1347
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: y'all tell me. Maybe I think it's stayed about the

1348
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: same for me. I'm starting to see a little uptick

1349
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: the last couple of years than what it has been

1350
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: My first year's up in District one.

1351
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 9: It was busy.

1352
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 4: We had a lot of paddlefish stuff going on, and

1353
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 4: it kind of slowly trickled down.

1354
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm talking about just like general participation and snagging.

1355
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about. Yeah, that's not necessarily

1356
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: illegal activity.

1357
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 4: And it was kind of tough because we had several

1358
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 4: years there where we had what one hundred and thousand

1359
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: year floods. Yeah, and that made access to paddlefish extremely tough.

1360
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 8: We need water for paddlefish, but not that much.

1361
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 6: When it floods out the parking lot, they can't even

1362
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 6: get there.

1363
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that it kind of trickled down. Some of

1364
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 4: the most common violations we see is probably not tagging

1365
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 4: the fish after they catch it, not checking it in.

1366
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 4: So paddlefish in the state of Oklahoma, once you harvest one,

1367
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 4: you've got to check it in like you would a deer,

1368
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 4: turkey or berry anything like that. Yeah, and that's a

1369
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 4: common violation that we see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably

1370
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 4: the most Yeah.

1371
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: Just not checking it. I mean, is it people that

1372
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: just don't know, or is it people just being lazy

1373
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: or just probably both?

1374
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably So in the sport fishing realm,

1375
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 5: it's really one of the funnest things you can do

1376
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 5: in Oklahoma, you know, is to is to go paddle fishing.

1377
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 5: And like Cody said, you know, the water's got to

1378
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 5: be right, all the everything, all the moon has to

1379
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 5: align just right for it to be good. But when

1380
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 5: it's good, it's great. And like there's certain areas like

1381
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 5: up around the city of Miami, which happens to be

1382
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 5: the paddlefish capital of the world Oklahoma. They got a

1383
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 5: big banner there when you pull it in the town.

1384
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's it's a big deal. There's a city

1385
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 5: park there and for years, traditionally, for years, i mean

1386
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 5: we're talking twenty five thirty years, that was the place

1387
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 5: to catch a paddlefish. And when when the flow is right,

1388
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 5: that's where they're lined up shoulder to shoulder, you know,

1389
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 5: just going out as far as the snap.

1390
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 6: The only place that I know of that has city

1391
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 6: ordinances based on paddlefish and it's what is it. If

1392
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 6: they're younger than twelve years old, they have to wear

1393
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 6: a helmet and a life jacket. So if somebody backlashes

1394
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 6: on one side of the river, a kid doesn't get

1395
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 6: knocked out on the other side with the four ounce

1396
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 6: away you know, yeah it's.

1397
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: From the east coast and put him out.

1398
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, his dad's encouraging.

1399
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to imagine what it would look

1400
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: like underwater if there's that many fish. I mean you

1401
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: because it's like if you can line up I don't know,

1402
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: fifty people, thirty people along a shore and they're just

1403
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: just yep, yeah, I mean it's a lot of fish.

1404
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: So another aspect of this not to get off course,

1405
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 3: but is uh that's becoming super popular. Is life scoping

1406
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 3: for them? Yes, they'll chase one fish, you know, and

1407
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, you can tell a big if it's a

1408
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,839
Speaker 3: big south and they'll they'll they'll go after.

1409
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: They call them souths.

1410
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, what's a male called a male, a male,

1411
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 2: here's your son.

1412
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 3: Into my life.

1413
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: How do you how do you feel about live scoping.

1414
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: So on on a on a on a on a

1415
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: standpoint of most fishing, I don't. I mean, obviously, it's

1416
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: it has changed the game. On a personal level. I

1417
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 3: don't have any issues with I think it's I have one.

1418
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. But for paddlefish, watching them,

1419
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 3: for paddlefish, you it's it's like, it's unbelievable. These guys

1420
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: will go changes the game, changes the game because like

1421
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 3: in the winter time, when they disperse and there's there's

1422
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 3: just one here and one there, you know, they'll come

1423
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 3: up into different areas and we're not chasing them on

1424
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 3: you know, we're out in the lake and they I've

1425
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: done it. You can go out, you can get on

1426
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 3: one fish and and the only thing that you and

1427
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 3: you can watch that weight. You can watch it drop

1428
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 3: down when it gets to the to the depth of

1429
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 3: fishes that you're stopping, you're reeling in maintaining that that depth.

1430
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: And then all you're having to worry about is if

1431
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 3: you're left or right, and if you got a guy

1432
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 3: good enough guy that most of them are not using

1433
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 3: them on the troller motor because they're wanting to make

1434
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 3: little tiny changes and see if okay, yeah we lost

1435
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: the lost the weight and and if you know, and

1436
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 3: they can tell okay, pull right, pull right, and it's

1437
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: it's like taking him.

1438
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 5: That's why you're seeing so many world records walking is

1439
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 5: because they're targeting those big fish in the lakes.

1440
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 6: Well, we had one guy caught three world records and

1441
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 6: like all those.

1442
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 5: Those fish that you mean, yeah, yeah, those guys in Keystone. Yeah,

1443
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 5: but you know, those those guys broke records. You know,

1444
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 5: it was almost like every month they were breaking the record.

1445
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: No.

1446
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: Our friends up in Missouri where we turkey hunt, they

1447
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: do this snagging Jason Martin's and yeah, well we were

1448
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: going to go with them.

1449
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: Yeah that one day. Yeah, yeah, man. You know it's

1450
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: we had a big discussion, uh several weeks ago on

1451
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: on the Meteor podcast about live scoping, and it's it

1452
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: feels to me like an argument when when it comes

1453
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: to technology and increasing the catch, increasing the ability to

1454
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: harvest an animal, catch a fish, you kind of start

1455
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: chasing your tail when you talk about the ethics of it,

1456
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: because where do you stop. I mean, because you can

1457
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: talk about I mean just technology. Any level of technology

1458
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: increases increases your ability to take wildlife. And so it's

1459
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 1: like where does that line stop? Because you know today

1460
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: it's live scopes. Well what if what if we said

1461
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: you couldn't use a pickup truck to hunt or fish

1462
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean.

1463
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 3: Foot?

1464
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: Like that that's ethical is that you leave from your

1465
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: house on foot. I actually heard a guy make that

1466
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: argument one time, and I was like, that's a pretty

1467
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: good argument. I mean, you know, you know, basically he

1468
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: was proving a point that like where where is?

1469
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 8: And then you know you're.

1470
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 3: Really hunting with the aid of a motor vehicle every time,

1471
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 3: not by law, but you are using it to ax.

1472
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: I had a guy, a good friend of mine, t L.

1473
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: Jones and East Tennessee. He's a big bear houndsman. They

1474
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: used hounds to hunt bears in East Tennessee and he

1475
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: he he and I talk a lot about ethics of

1476
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: bear hunting with hounds and all this stuff, and he's

1477
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: like Clay, he said, well, he would say it way

1478
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: better than me. But basically he's like a guy tells

1479
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: me that I can't go out of my house and

1480
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: and that I'm lazy for raising bear hounds three and

1481
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: sixty five days a year. My family for the last

1482
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 1: three generations has done this. We dedicate our lives to it.

1483
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: And then he jumps in a pickup truck and drives

1484
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: two thousand miles to go elk hunting, you know. Yeah,

1485
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: And he's like, and you're telling me that I'm using

1486
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: using some artificial means.

1487
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: To anything above him and something up and choking it

1488
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: to death with your bare hands is exactly is using technology.

1489
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: But live scope of paddlefish. That's pretty close to the line.

1490
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 3: Even on crappie. You know. We we've got probably everybody

1491
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: in this room would argue that our best guide on

1492
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 3: Grand Lake, and he's he's unbelievable. And he will tell

1493
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 3: you that if I could take twenty guys and could

1494
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 3: show him to God to life scope as good as

1495
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 3: I can, we could catch every big crappy on this leak,

1496
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,879
Speaker 3: every single one of them. But the problem is he doesn't,

1497
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 3: and most guys don't. You know, most probably are idiots

1498
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 3: like me and just have it and kind of know

1499
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 3: how to use it, kind of don't and go once

1500
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 3: in a while. But it's definitely changed the game. Yeah,

1501
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 3: I don't think we've seen whether and on paddlefish. I

1502
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 3: think it's it's a different level. It may be something

1503
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 3: we have to look at as as really. I mean

1504
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,480
Speaker 3: I just on on a personal level, I just not immediately,

1505
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 3: but it's not been talked about, but it's it is

1506
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 3: definitely on a different level of of the technic of

1507
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 3: using that technology.

1508
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: And what about them harvest and being able to target

1509
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: these big ones. Is that is that good or bad?

1510
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: Because a lot of times in like big game management,

1511
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: like if you're able if you take out these older

1512
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: age males, you know, that's a that's an animal that

1513
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: can be taken out without hurting the rest of this system.

1514
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 6: I don't know with with a so paddlefish or broadcast spawners, Right,

1515
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 6: we're gonna have the female come lay her eggs and

1516
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 6: we call.

1517
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 8: Souths.

1518
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: It's the bores that make a little little baby spoon bills.

1519
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 6: But then you have you know, twenty males come bye

1520
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 6: and and broadcast over the top of them. If you're

1521
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 6: doing away with that female because they're obviously bigger, there's

1522
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 6: no doubt when you look at a south, Yeah, there

1523
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 6: no doubt.

1524
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: There's no way to differentiate on a live Scantwin.

1525
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 6: And the guy that he's talking about, he can tell

1526
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 6: you that even in the depth of the winter, the

1527
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 6: coldest of the winter, you can go in some of

1528
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 6: these deeper holes on the upper ending Grand Lake and uh,

1529
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 6: you can see the female. She's you know, twice as

1530
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 6: big as the males that are all surrounding her. They're

1531
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 6: waiting on her to go up up river and they're going.

1532
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 8: To target that bigger fish.

1533
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 6: Obviously, that's what everybody wants, a big fish, big buck,

1534
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 6: big big bear or whatever.

1535
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1536
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 5: Where we go, we are seeing some of those being caught, captured, pictures, taken,

1537
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 5: and released.

1538
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: So there catching the release culture at all.

1539
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah.

1540
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: Is most of the snagging are the fish able to

1541
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: be released?

1542
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 8: They said.

1543
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 6: So they did a study in Oklahoma back a decade

1544
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 6: ago where they I think they caught like thirty fish,

1545
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 6: put tags in them, snagged them, recorded the time that

1546
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 6: they had took them to get them in and the

1547
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 6: stress level and the temperature and all that stuff. I

1548
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 6: think they caught thirty and then they went back like

1549
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 6: a month later to see how many of those made it.

1550
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 6: And I think, now, don't quote me on this, I

1551
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 6: think twenty nine of those had made it a month later.

1552
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: So pretty high percent.

1553
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: Never thought that.

1554
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well the way they the way they described

1555
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: like the leathery skin and cartilaginous, it feels like they're

1556
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: pretty durable.

1557
01:15:59,160 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, have you ever?

1558
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 8: Never have?

1559
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: Really, I never.

1560
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 5: Can fix.

1561
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: That's where I was about to go.

1562
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 8: You cut me off.

1563
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: No, I would, for real, I would. I would love

1564
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: to go at some point.

1565
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 6: And that that that catch and release culture back whenever

1566
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 6: you were working, you caught your first three, And they

1567
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 6: did that to keep people from targeting the females, right,

1568
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 6: because you will have to wait through a bunch of

1569
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 6: males to get a female. You had to catch the

1570
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 6: keep the first three, and a bunch of those guys

1571
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 6: didn't want to keep them. They just wanted to go

1572
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 6: and catch them. And I wasn't around them. But they

1573
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 6: say that those guys would drive a mile down the

1574
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 6: road and dump all the fish in the bar ditch

1575
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 6: because they had to keep them.

1576
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 8: They couldn't throw them back.

1577
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 6: So they changed that where catch and release and barbloss

1578
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 6: hooks so that you're not tearing them up as bad

1579
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 6: to get barbleous. Yea, And that way guys weren't gonna

1580
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 6: dump them down the road in a mile. They could

1581
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 6: at least throw them back in the river and they

1582
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 6: had a chance of making it so brand.

1583
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: Have you ever caught a paddle fish?

1584
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1585
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: If you soald some eggs across state lines too, Yeah, no, had.

1586
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 5: We've been in there.

1587
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 3: What did you think of the dining experience? I didn't

1588
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: like it.

1589
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: It's you very chewy Yoh you ate a paddlefish? Yeah,

1590
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: this is only after you took that.

1591
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 2: No. This, I was actually in college Goods and I

1592
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: run the radio on the weekends at the police department.

1593
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: Warned at the dispatcher and we had a trustee there

1594
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: who was his parents. They come from a family commercial

1595
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: fisherman and every Sunday they come over and have a

1596
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: visitation where they bring fish. And I was working on

1597
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: Sunday and we ate. We had a fish fry to

1598
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: jail every every Sunday. And while this fellow was in jail,

1599
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: and they brought over some Oh.

1600
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: This guy's in jail. He was family.

1601
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they'd have visitation on Sunday. But they want

1602
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 2: ask me one day because I was running the show man.

1603
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 2: I'm nineteen years old, I'm the boss, Like, can we

1604
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: fry fish out here in the parking lot. I said,

1605
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: you know what you show can if you got enough

1606
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 2: for me.

1607
01:17:58,840 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 5: Isn't it?

1608
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 2: So they bring it, they bring it over them. They

1609
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 2: fry fish, and they brought some, brought some of that

1610
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 2: over there. I didn't like it. And it was just

1611
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: fried up, just like you fry catfish. It was just

1612
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 2: a real rubbery. It's chewy.

1613
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: That have you all had it?

1614
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 8: When it's pretty, when it's.

1615
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 5: Edible, you know, you can slice it up and fry it,

1616
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 5: just like catfish and everything like that. It's not bad,

1617
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 5: hot out of the grease. You do not want to

1618
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 5: eat it the next day, that's it for sure.

1619
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: Super good.

1620
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: What fish do you want to eat the next day?

1621
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm eaten crappy the next day.

1622
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's all right.

1623
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 5: It's good, it's all right.

1624
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 6: But they're like a swordfish, is what I've had. I've

1625
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 6: only had swordfish one time. But you can cut them

1626
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 6: up and eat them like a steak. They're not flaky

1627
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 6: like a crappie or something like that. And a lot

1628
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 6: of guys will smoke them or cook them like a steak.

1629
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 2: You get it lit.

1630
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 5: Once you get the skin off of them. You can.

1631
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 5: You can, actually, they're really easy to skin. And then

1632
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 5: you've got this big chunk of fish in the middle,

1633
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 5: you know the car legends. There's no bones and you

1634
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 5: can just slice it like steaks. And I've seen guys

1635
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 5: smoke that used it on smoker and stuff like that,

1636
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 5: and they say it's yeah, and they say it's pretty big,

1637
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 5: that sort of stuff.

1638
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: That was pretty cool pulling that. Pulling that, Yeah, it

1639
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: made a ring around the tail. They had his head

1640
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: cut off and a ring around the tail, and they

1641
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: twisted that tail and right out. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

1642
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 5: You might have a four foot fish, but that thing

1643
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 5: might be eight foot long when you pull it out.

1644
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, stretches out.

1645
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, guys, thank you so much for coming. Really

1646
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Austin, thanks for tapping me into this story

1647
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: with all these with with all the connections and pleasure

1648
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: to have you guys. Thank you for thanks for what

1649
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: you're doing. Thank you for your service to our wildlife

1650
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: resources and the people of Oklahoma. Misty, do you have

1651
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: anything you'd like to say?

1652
01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1653
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 5: He's giving her a chance to talk.

1654
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 8: Like you said, he didn't let her talk around.

1655
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: He's the end of the show. Oh got it, he's

1656
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: got he's got to live here once.

1657
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 5: He's got to make amends.

1658
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 7: Now thinks I'm being forced to speak. Oh thanks for

1659
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 7: coming out to the to the house. It's good to

1660
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 7: see y all. Good to Thanks for sharing the story.

1661
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 7: It was a good one.

1662
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 5: We appreciate the hospitality. We appreciate what you guys do

1663
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 5: for the outdoors. You do you shine a light on

1664
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 5: the country way life and uh we appreciate that.

1665
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1666
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:36,839
Speaker 1: Well, stick around next week for uh bump bum Operation

1667
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: Russian Snag. Thank you guys, Thank you so much.

1668
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1669
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 5: Let you click