Speaker 1: On today's episode The Command Center Podcast. It's a safe space, guys.
Speaker 1: We got all these draft thoughts, things were worried about,
Speaker 1: and so we talk about them. We just get everything
Speaker 1: off our chest and ar ar griefance is about this
Speaker 1: year's draft. We're talking trade up, talking trade back, talking players.
Speaker 1: We like talking players. We don't like it.
Speaker 2: All starts right now.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Command Center Podcast. I'm looking Fallson here
Speaker 1: with Santana Moss and Fred Smooth hit his I it
Speaker 1: doesn't get old, Cuddler.
Speaker 2: Doesn't get old.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 4: How you doing, I'm doing great, man, It's how's the back?
Speaker 4: You know what the back is doing?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: That was just one occasion. Let's not make this a
Speaker 3: chronic thing.
Speaker 2: I just told me.
Speaker 3: I'm not Larry Bird, all right, listen.
Speaker 2: I was literally just.
Speaker 1: Walking over here with you. I said, would you ever
Speaker 1: do flag football again? Just for fun? And you're like,
Speaker 1: my back's to my stuff. That's like literally what you
Speaker 1: just know?
Speaker 4: I said, I'm just getting back from there. And when
Speaker 4: it was my back, my back went out on me. Mortality,
Speaker 4: I know. I faced it like what it is, but
Speaker 4: my back is good. I'm riding my bike, I'm walking
Speaker 4: I'm healthy. Listen, Listen, I got a six pack. I
Speaker 4: got a six pack in the back.
Speaker 2: Of my back. Yeah, but he's getting it.
Speaker 1: I just would love to just see a picture of
Speaker 1: me of you on the bike, maybe a thumbs up,
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 4: So y'all want me to send it to take sure.
Speaker 3: Y'all don't be in the house on the bike.
Speaker 1: Listen. I know it's gonna be a target on a bike. Listen.
Speaker 4: I told y'all I was getting more active. I am
Speaker 4: a lot more active right now. I'm doing a lot
Speaker 4: more like working out, getting back into the routine.
Speaker 2: Looking good. My poor is looking good. I'm looking younger.
Speaker 1: You said you were working out more after I beat
Speaker 1: you in basketball at one time. Yeah, and you threw
Speaker 1: your back out and you said, I gotta start working
Speaker 1: out again. So that was like a year between.
Speaker 4: Guess what, nothing humbles you like laying in the parking
Speaker 4: lot on the ground.
Speaker 1: It's such a funny story. I love that story. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's up about Fred's back. All right, So we got
Speaker 1: a couple house givings, just take care of okay, take
Speaker 1: it to the draft. Obviously, We've got this bet between
Speaker 1: Fred and I that will actually the result of that
Speaker 1: bet will happen in air tomorrow, April seventeenth, and basically,
Speaker 1: which is my birthday, which is your birthday, So happy birthday,
Speaker 1: birthday and a weird birthday too, right, Yeah, birthday a
Speaker 1: big deal for this podcast.
Speaker 2: Totally opposite person. I can't say one thing.
Speaker 5: That's why I think the world of him when it
Speaker 5: comes to his brain, because she's intelligent. He's intelligent, but
Speaker 5: damn she don't she don't drink, she don't hang this dude,
Speaker 5: just everything.
Speaker 3: John Dailey is your hero.
Speaker 1: So basically, we had to pick six prospects from last
Speaker 1: year's draft of twenty twenty four draft or we're going
Speaker 1: to be guaranteed ballers. Actually we're doing that show particular
Speaker 1: draft coming up here soon too for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: But we had to pick six. I picked six Fred
Speaker 1: Pick's and then Jason, our producer for the show I
Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear. Yeah, basically came out and had
Speaker 1: a rubric or a grating criteria. Yeah, and who ever
Speaker 1: had more points one yeah, And the other person has
Speaker 1: to get down on one knee, ben to knee and
Speaker 1: say you're the best draft analysts and I am nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm a tag are.
Speaker 1: So that's coming up. And then on Ticket to the Draft,
Speaker 1: which is show we just talked about. We're doing a
Speaker 1: seven round mock draft on Monday the twenty first, featuring
Speaker 1: Fred Smooth Yeah and Jeremy Green, who are actually related
Speaker 1: but they don't know it. They don't look like they're related,
Speaker 1: but they talk the same it happened. They kind of
Speaker 1: tell jokes the same way. I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: it's going to be like a you know, like when
Speaker 1: you won't get the top, Like no one's gonna get
Speaker 1: the tip. They're gonna just goin to talk over each
Speaker 1: other the whole time. It's gonna be like when two
Speaker 1: stars colyde and create like a supernova. It's just that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in this room, Like a.
Speaker 3: Nuclear explosion, rosen breeze that creates a black.
Speaker 4: Hole, rosen Bridge at rosen Bridge, Rosenbird, rosen Bridge, No
Speaker 4: Rosen Brees.
Speaker 1: Okay, right on with it. I'm here, Manhattan Project, Let's
Speaker 1: do it. Okay. So, because the Draft is coming up,
Speaker 1: this show is going to be heavily draft focused. Yes,
Speaker 1: and our producer Jason, who co hosts the Tickets to
Speaker 1: the Draft Show is going to join us for some
Speaker 1: of the segments, and so basically he had a great
Speaker 1: idea and it's that the to come up with NFL
Speaker 1: Draft safe space, right, so we can just kind of
Speaker 1: air our thoughts that we've been kind of closeting this
Speaker 1: whole time, put them out in the open. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about them, kind of like a therapy session for draft takes. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think it's really really smart because I have
Speaker 1: some very strong feelings about this draft class, specifically in
Speaker 1: the first round. So I think this is a good opportunity. Fred,
Speaker 1: You've got some too. In our meeting, you had some
Speaker 1: really good ones as well, So I think this is
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to get them going. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: we're all going to give our safe space thoughts, and
Speaker 1: Jason's gonna give one. We're gonna discuss, Yeah, just kind
Speaker 1: of talk through it, talk through the big feelings we
Speaker 1: have and hopefully get.
Speaker 3: To go on to your shrink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you sit on the couch.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a safe space for me to open
Speaker 4: up and tell you how I really feel. Most people
Speaker 4: don't want to talk about how they really feel, and
Speaker 4: how I really feel. If you want me to start
Speaker 4: this thing off. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know it's certain, Yeah, what you got to do.
Speaker 3: This is how I really feel.
Speaker 4: You know, nobody wants to say this on the outside
Speaker 4: because everybody thinks that every draft is special.
Speaker 3: No matter what.
Speaker 4: I'd rather have two picks in the second round than
Speaker 4: two picks.
Speaker 1: In the first the two picks in the first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying. The talent to me isn't different.
Speaker 4: It's it's stagnant and it's the same, and I expect
Speaker 4: it after coming after you remember last year I said
Speaker 4: something very bold.
Speaker 3: I felt like last year's draft were one of the
Speaker 3: best drafts of all time, and it was a very
Speaker 3: good draft. I felt like that.
Speaker 4: And then you know, after drafts like that, the next
Speaker 4: draft is always weak. It happened with me and Tawny
Speaker 4: in two thousand and one. The two thousand and two
Speaker 4: draft was weaker than not way wicked than hours. And
Speaker 4: I think this draft is getting a side effect of
Speaker 4: the draft being social. Some talent up top last year,
Speaker 4: and we gotta say, last year, what really made that draft?
Speaker 4: I call them covides. Everybody got there, everybody got their
Speaker 4: fifth year. This extra year to play football that jam
Speaker 4: pecked at draft and made it special.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a weird year too, because that junior
Speaker 1: college thing came out, that ruling where that doesn't count
Speaker 1: against your eligibility. All those kids who found extra eligibility
Speaker 1: went back to school. This was the year, the last
Speaker 1: year of COVID. It was supposed to be this year
Speaker 1: get back to normal. Then obviously that gets disrupted by
Speaker 1: the eligibility ruling. But I agree Fred, like we for
Speaker 1: take to the Draft our Guaranteed Baller Show for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, I find it way easier to pick players
Speaker 1: that I absolutely loved, loved in like the second, third,
Speaker 1: fourth round range as opposed to that first round range.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about that more as we
Speaker 1: go on in the show. But it does feel like
Speaker 1: a weird year for the first round, Like there's you
Speaker 1: have to pick someone in the first round, but there's
Speaker 1: nobody there Tanna that you're like.
Speaker 4: And logan great athletes, great bodies. Stats don't match Jamar Stewart.
Speaker 4: Stats don't match, like what I see.
Speaker 3: These dudes in there.
Speaker 4: When you project them, it's more safe than actually saying
Speaker 4: this guy is gonna be good like I just it's
Speaker 4: something about it.
Speaker 5: I also think it's safe to say that, you know,
Speaker 5: throughout the years, history is showing us that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: but so many going in the first round, but that
Speaker 5: has been proven that a lot of guys, a lot
Speaker 5: of greats have played in this league and has become
Speaker 5: hall of famous Pro Bowls you name it, when Super
Speaker 5: Bowls that came in the later rounds anyway, especially second
Speaker 5: round and use the second round pick, you know, you
Speaker 5: know names that we can call it out right now
Speaker 5: that was in the second round.
Speaker 2: You know, and that you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: it's safe to say that you see that every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I understand where you're coming from with that. Fred,
Speaker 1: I empathize with that. I think that's a pretty good
Speaker 1: take actually, like because again I think there's some really
Speaker 1: talented football players in the second round. Tanna, what's your
Speaker 1: safe space thought on the drug?
Speaker 2: Do I have to get in that red voice?
Speaker 4: Yes, because we're talking to our shrink to say, you know,
Speaker 4: because everyone want to listen to me.
Speaker 2: I'm always talking now.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I said I believe this year and
Speaker 5: I think, you know, like I said, this can go
Speaker 5: for any year, but this year, particularly late roundbacks will
Speaker 5: be some game changes this year.
Speaker 1: It does feel that way, deep deep deep deep plans.
Speaker 5: I only say that and let me put my little
Speaker 5: take on it. The only reason why I say that
Speaker 5: is because I feel like, despite what Squan did last
Speaker 5: year showing that the running back position should should be
Speaker 5: valued a little more of him and your guy with
Speaker 5: Gary Henry Uh, they prove that the running back should
Speaker 5: be valued more the kid and kid in Detroit Gibbs,
Speaker 5: how Talenton he was. They've shown you that you should keep,
Speaker 5: you know, giving us to appreciate what we do for
Speaker 5: this this game. Despite all that, they still don't believe
Speaker 5: in you. Hear you know, analysts after analysts saying that,
Speaker 5: oh I won't pick that running back so high. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, if you need a runner back, yeah,
Speaker 5: and this guys available, you go get them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So with all that being said, you're going to see
Speaker 5: that these teams are going to allow a lot and
Speaker 5: you know, this draft has a lot of running backs.
Speaker 5: A lot of those guys gonna get bottled up at
Speaker 5: the bottom. Yeah, And like I said, it's safe to
Speaker 5: say that there's gonna it's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 5: game changes. It's gonna be a lot of great talent
Speaker 5: that get picked up from some team that's gonna be
Speaker 5: able to change and get dangerous.
Speaker 4: Thing about that me and Logan was talking about this
Speaker 4: walking in is when you get a position with this
Speaker 4: many draft picks, it pushes the older backs out of
Speaker 4: the NFL. Like so when you get these thirty running
Speaker 4: backs coming in, that means thirty got to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's uh, that's exactly right. And
Speaker 1: I just think about you know, your Smith's from MESSU,
Speaker 1: your CJ. Harvey from UCF, your Basile Tooting from Virginia
Speaker 1: Tech here, Uh well kJ kJ Dobbins is that his name. No,
Speaker 1: that's that's.
Speaker 4: No, no, No, you're talking about you got Johnson from Iowa.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's a good player too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But there's like you could just go on and on,
Speaker 1: and so I do think there's some guys that go
Speaker 1: in second round.
Speaker 4: Everybody seemed to like the Hunter. I like the Hunter
Speaker 4: kid from Aubury. I think he can make play Quinn's Hunter.
Speaker 5: I saw the kid from Arizona State. Is that Arizona States?
Speaker 5: I saw he ran like a four or five, And
Speaker 5: and and guys was talking about it. I'm like, that's
Speaker 5: a big little butter ball. Like if he runs for
Speaker 5: a fight, that's great for him.
Speaker 3: I think I think he needs to go to a
Speaker 3: cold weather team.
Speaker 4: Like when I closed my eyes, I see him running downhill,
Speaker 4: the Green Bay, just anywhere, this cold weather outside, baby
Speaker 4: baby bus. Yeah, he's gonna run down here. Listen, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you about the bus. I was trying to
Speaker 4: tackle Jerome Bettis all right. I'm screaming that I can
Speaker 4: show you this play time from and I'm trying to
Speaker 4: wrap my arms around him, but his body is so
Speaker 4: bad I couldn't wrap my you know, I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to wrap my arms around him. He runs
Speaker 4: me over and as I go to the ground because
Speaker 4: I'm trying to just sacrifice at all, he ran me
Speaker 4: over so bit he lifts me back up and runs
Speaker 4: me over again. What I'm saying is that bad body
Speaker 4: sometime is a whip poor kam.
Speaker 1: Scout who're getting tossed in with the bad But I
Speaker 1: do think like, yeah, like, I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are like, oh, in the second round,
Speaker 1: you should take it back, you know, the commander should
Speaker 1: take it back. But I do think it's got a
Speaker 1: long runway in the group. Yeah, and there's kind of
Speaker 1: stylistically something for everybody. So I think the playmaker thing
Speaker 1: late rounds is uh is pretty it's pretty awesome. All right.
Speaker 1: We got just a guy, Jason here, our producer Jason.
Speaker 3: At least he ain't hated Jason.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm not a hater, and I love a
Speaker 6: lot of I love the draft process, so like there's
Speaker 6: been fun to do the take it to their Draft podcast.
Speaker 6: I don't know how safe this space is with Fred
Speaker 6: in here, so I probably should have thought of a
Speaker 6: different title for this segment. But here's my statement. Guys,
Speaker 6: all right, obdua Carter, he should be the number one
Speaker 6: overall pick. And I'm going to go just a little
Speaker 6: bit deeper here. I think that team should solely focus
Speaker 6: on drafting Jess Lineman and quarterbacks. Figure out everything else
Speaker 6: in the off season, whether that's with trades or free agency,
Speaker 6: and quarterbacks quarterback.
Speaker 3: So just ten positions just pushed out of here.
Speaker 6: Well here, I mean this is obviously a safe space
Speaker 6: thought right, Okay, so let's not get on me too much,
Speaker 6: but my thought process to this Fred, because I see
Speaker 6: you just wanted to say, Ready, right, is that Let's
Speaker 6: say you have a very because you drafted well, right,
Speaker 6: let's say you hit on fifty percent, that'd be very good.
Speaker 6: So let's say you hit on that. So let's say
Speaker 6: you have very deep offensive lineman and your roster and
Speaker 6: you need a running back, got a trade piece. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you're not spending a whole lot of money yet with
Speaker 6: quarterback because you're constantly having another guy come in on
Speaker 6: a rookie deal, a smaller rookie deal. So unless you
Speaker 6: find a franchise quarterback, which is really hard to do.
Speaker 2: Then you just rolled to the next one.
Speaker 1: Hit.
Speaker 4: If I could say anything about your argument, this is
Speaker 4: what I say.
Speaker 1: It's a safe space thought. It's not making an argument.
Speaker 2: Yea, it's safe space.
Speaker 3: Say so safe check this out.
Speaker 4: If I take your mode of thought and how you draft,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be drafted in the same top tier spot
Speaker 4: every year one, two, three, four, five. Eventually I have
Speaker 4: to fill in these slots to support that offensive lineman
Speaker 4: in that quarterback.
Speaker 6: That's a lot of top five picks in linemen and quarters.
Speaker 2: One of them is gonna hit. No, No, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: This The whole object of picking up there is I
Speaker 4: don't want to pick you next year. I want to
Speaker 4: do what we need. I want to pick it too,
Speaker 4: and come back to next year and pick it twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I will say to Jason's point, if you just look
Speaker 1: at this last free agency cycle, right, for example, like
Speaker 1: the Commanders were in it, right, So if you look
Speaker 1: at the most valuable assets that was traded for was
Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if hypothetically you're I don't know, the the justic
Speaker 1: guy Jason franchise, right, and you're drafting offensive lineman and
Speaker 1: you have a way to develop them every year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and teams know that you are developing offensive linemen, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you are getting something that is very,
Speaker 1: very valuable lead wide because no one else really knows
Speaker 1: how to develop offensive line and no one's investing in
Speaker 1: offensive line the same way. And so that's interesting. And
Speaker 1: then couple that with the quarterback philosophy. I do think
Speaker 1: I kind of am in the same boat. Maybe not
Speaker 1: in the first round, but you should probably take and
Speaker 1: develop a quarterback every year because of the trade value
Speaker 1: of that player.
Speaker 6: Now, thanks for defending me, Logan, But what also I'm
Speaker 6: saying this is kind of like a obviously you don't
Speaker 6: do this to the tee. Yeah, because there will come
Speaker 6: a point, like you said, Fred, like, Okay, you hit
Speaker 6: on a franchise quarterback. You got depth on your line.
Speaker 6: Now you can be a little more riskier in the
Speaker 6: background and go after like a wide receiver trying to
Speaker 6: get value there. I'm just saying, if I'm starting over,
Speaker 6: if this is the very first year for this franchise,
Speaker 6: this is all I'm doing. And Abdul Carter is sitting
Speaker 6: right there. Yeah, that's who I'm going with.
Speaker 3: So are you not afraid of the Penn State bus rate? No,
Speaker 3: not with him?
Speaker 1: Penn State bus rate.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, most of the time Pen State players a
Speaker 4: bus courty Courtney Brown like like put it like this,
Speaker 4: the ones that you put up very high.
Speaker 1: Well, who else is it? I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: I can shot.
Speaker 4: It's so many dudes like I can go when I
Speaker 4: like h on my thing with Penn State. Penn State
Speaker 4: players sometime are better college players than they are pros.
Speaker 2: And we just seeing this.
Speaker 4: I put it like this, if I told you pitt
Speaker 4: University of Pittsburgh has a better hit range than than
Speaker 4: than Penn State.
Speaker 3: Would you believe me?
Speaker 1: Probably not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not. It does, but it does.
Speaker 4: It does like pitt is a university puts out more
Speaker 4: quality players, more Hall.
Speaker 3: Of Famous than Penn State period, hands down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I'm a Penn State fan and there's not a
Speaker 6: great track record track record there, but there when you
Speaker 6: do hit from Penn State your head. He and Michael
Speaker 6: Parsons like, right, I played with levard, So there are
Speaker 6: some good like, there are some good players out of
Speaker 6: Penna State, and I'm saying, yeah, Idol is going to
Speaker 6: be that guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is a freak elite athlete.
Speaker 6: Right, and he is high motor, smart, quick, twitched up
Speaker 6: like everything you want from a pass rusher. This guy
Speaker 6: has as a prospect, So yeah, I'm I'm going with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the only thing I'd pushed back, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a good football player obviously, but I only had
Speaker 1: to push back on is I do think cam Ward
Speaker 1: can be a I don't franchise, but definitely starter plus.
Speaker 1: And if you're the Tennessee Titans, you haven't had like
Speaker 1: a good starting quarterback since Steve McNair.
Speaker 3: So you're just gonna give up on the man as
Speaker 3: man I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the kind of adjacent sporting. I
Speaker 1: don't even know, ob he's too buff. I just think
Speaker 1: he doesn't. His processing last year left something to be.
Speaker 2: Decided killed him by itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, consistent like lack of consistent decision making,
Speaker 1: and so getting a playmaker in there, a guy that
Speaker 1: can elevate the floor of the entire organization in a
Speaker 1: way that and it's not Abdua Carter's fault, but his
Speaker 1: impact is never going to be what a quarterback?
Speaker 6: I agree with that completely. But let's because I have
Speaker 6: a rundown in front of me, Let's move on to yours. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and what's your safe space? Because I think it actually
Speaker 6: supports what I'm saying here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So for me, there's only two blue chip players in
Speaker 1: this draft, so one being Abdul Carter and the other
Speaker 1: one being Ashton Genty. And so just because so and
Speaker 1: everyone says, all, what about Travis Hunter, what about Will Johnson?
Speaker 1: What about cam Ward? What about Mason Graham? Taking from
Speaker 1: Michigan and to me, like they're not cam Ward. I
Speaker 1: think this is the other thing too, that's important to understanding.
Speaker 1: With a quarterback, you multiply the grade by one point two, right,
Speaker 1: it's always going to push him up. And so the
Speaker 1: idea that we talked about this last year with jayde
Speaker 1: Daniels and the idea of trading out of that spot
Speaker 1: is if you think he's got a shot, you got
Speaker 1: to take your stick and pick right. And I think,
Speaker 1: like when you're just weighing, the positional value of quarterback
Speaker 1: is being superior to every other position. Even though I
Speaker 1: think Ashton Genty is maybe the best player in the
Speaker 1: entire draft, Like, I'm not going to take him as
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: take them one overall. I'm probably not gonna even take
Speaker 1: him top ten because again, I feel like the running
Speaker 1: back needs the scaffolding of the offensive to support him,
Speaker 1: like it's in an independent position. So that's where it gets
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're in the same thing with Abdul Carter.
Speaker 1: Like I think if he goes to Cleveland, for example,
Speaker 1: and it's run Russia next to Miles Garrett, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be really impactful, but it's not going to be
Speaker 1: as impactful as if cam Ward is a even is
Speaker 1: even Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying we've had this edge conversation,
Speaker 4: when we had this discussion by edge versus d tackle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the.
Speaker 4: Best edges right now in the last ten years leading
Speaker 4: the league in sex is t J.
Speaker 1: Watt, t J Watt, Miles Garrett, Garrett, Michael Parks.
Speaker 3: They have something in coming, but no super bowls.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Henderson, Yeah, Trey Hendrick. They have something in COmON,
Speaker 4: no super Bowls. Right, So the position of value says
Speaker 4: that if this quarterback ain't as good, if it's this rusher,
Speaker 4: he still brings more to my team than the Russia does.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's exactly.
Speaker 3: So that's why I have to take cam before I
Speaker 3: take up to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, And so that's where or like when you're
Speaker 1: putting together your big board, right, it's not necessarily indicative
Speaker 1: of draft value, you know what I'm saying, Like where
Speaker 1: they're gonna go. It's not a it's not predicting draft
Speaker 1: because again, positions like quarterback you just bump up and
Speaker 1: it's the same th kind of you were talking about
Speaker 1: with running back ten Like running back contracts right now
Speaker 1: are so cheap, I'm probably more likely to take a
Speaker 1: receiver and edge defensive tackle, offensive lineman in the first round,
Speaker 1: because then I get I get this, the those four
Speaker 1: positions they're offering like thirty million a year, you know,
Speaker 1: and the running backs like fourteen fifteen, So like why
Speaker 1: would I you know what I'm saying, why would I
Speaker 1: risk risk?
Speaker 4: I think I think the running back is only now
Speaker 4: for teams they feel like they compete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like Ashton gent to Chicago to me is awesome
Speaker 1: because they've got their offensive line set up and Johnson's
Speaker 1: going to run the football. Like that's going to be
Speaker 1: a really nice fit. If that's the direction that you use.
Speaker 3: I mean the cake is done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. So that's kind of what I
Speaker 1: feel about the two Blue Chipper thing. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people say Travis Hunter. To me, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about Travis Hunter, like is he a good
Speaker 1: receiver yes? Is he a good corner yes? Is he
Speaker 1: as good as Derek's Singleton or Sauce Gardner like Harry Stingley,
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley, No, He's not sting That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: See Patricksartan Like they're not that level of.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like you, remember we did cornerback, was
Speaker 4: that he was not my first corner, Remember it was
Speaker 4: Will Johnson. I feel like Will Justin is more complete,
Speaker 4: meaning a better tackler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's stickier in coverage.
Speaker 4: And I just think overall as a cornerback not he's
Speaker 4: just better now when you when you get Travis, he
Speaker 4: helps you out on both sides of the ball regard.
Speaker 1: But is he gonna do that though?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think who ever drafted I mean the way
Speaker 4: I'm here hearing that most folks say they gonna draft
Speaker 4: him as a corner and throw them in there on third. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I received some sloting, but I just feel like, at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, like, don't take what made
Speaker 4: him who he is away and stop. I understand, don't
Speaker 4: put him out there like Connorrado did for the whole.
Speaker 2: Game on both positions.
Speaker 5: But if he's special, if he's that special or as
Speaker 5: special as people have said, then you got to get
Speaker 5: a taste of that. You gotta get you got to
Speaker 5: bring that to your because it's not only gonna help
Speaker 5: your team's gonna help him.
Speaker 2: The people sit in those seats.
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, You're gonna be able to
Speaker 5: sell the jersey, sell the tickets, and also see great.
Speaker 3: I was on the team that had a guy Champ Bailey.
Speaker 4: We used to let Champ play wide receiver and running
Speaker 4: back and when they did.
Speaker 3: It, it was It worked, but Champ was it.
Speaker 1: But the thing that gets me is like, how do
Speaker 1: you just do that from a schedule standpoint? Like how
Speaker 1: are you the best corner on the team and the
Speaker 1: number one? But think about your game plan when you
Speaker 1: were the guy, like they're putting stuff in for you defensively,
Speaker 1: like they're putting stuff in for you.
Speaker 2: That's why he has to go with the offense.
Speaker 4: He gotta go dou because couple two, couple four, that
Speaker 4: ain't gonna change. It's gonna be couple one that won't change.
Speaker 4: Learning that offensive playbook is harder.
Speaker 5: I think personally when you put him in at corner,
Speaker 5: because I feel like his body that says he's a
Speaker 5: corner you occupy. When you put him in as a corner,
Speaker 5: Now he can be your number one corner or whatever
Speaker 5: you want to do. You got a great defense, you
Speaker 5: can put him somewhere where he can. He's gonna he's
Speaker 5: gonna be a guy that's gonna you know, jump the ball,
Speaker 5: you know, be that, be that, be that zone guy.
Speaker 5: Whatever you want to do, he can do it. I
Speaker 5: feel like he can do it as a defender. Offensively,
Speaker 5: he don't have to be the man.
Speaker 2: He don't.
Speaker 5: He can just be the guy that we're gonna do
Speaker 5: special things with. He can be my he can be
Speaker 5: my Swiss army and offensively where I just line him
Speaker 5: up and he's going to get the attention because one
Speaker 5: he's on the field and people knows he's a threat,
Speaker 5: he's gonna have that Prime effect. He probably gonna do
Speaker 5: more than what Prime and Bailey them was expected to do.
Speaker 2: And even Charles Wilson did.
Speaker 1: Does it bother you for that he didn't run a
Speaker 1: forty even?
Speaker 5: No, No, I think I think those guys set the
Speaker 5: tone last year when they didn't do it, those other
Speaker 5: guys not running forty.
Speaker 3: His film doesn't lie.
Speaker 1: He plays if you're fast runner forty, I'm just like
Speaker 1: you're playing, does he play that fast?
Speaker 2: But I look at it like this.
Speaker 5: In my day, we had to run a forty for
Speaker 5: our slot, so we can Are.
Speaker 1: You nervous about running your four because you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna un fast, right.
Speaker 2: I mean you just didn't know, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like taking a test, just like you know,
Speaker 4: it could have slipped out of anything.
Speaker 5: My brother, My brother pulled his squad, I pulled my
Speaker 5: hamstring running myund forty like and I'm glad I did it.
Speaker 2: At the end.
Speaker 5: You see, my brother did is in the middle of
Speaker 5: his forty so so and he stay around four three.
Speaker 5: You just don't know, bro, And it's like if you don't,
Speaker 5: if you're not a good tester. I've seen guys that
Speaker 5: ran slow and had phenomenal careers. You know, it don't
Speaker 5: really you know, dictate who you're going to be as
Speaker 5: a player. It just back then they allowed that to
Speaker 5: be used to slaughtch you as a you know, a
Speaker 5: top box they had to check.
Speaker 1: All right, Fred, what's your next safe space? Thought about
Speaker 1: this draft?
Speaker 4: Picks thirty five through seventy five would be collectively better
Speaker 4: than pick one through thirty four. That's telling you that
Speaker 4: this is, to me not a top heavy draft. And
Speaker 4: like I told you, just a lot of guys out
Speaker 4: there that it's built like Zeus with the heart of
Speaker 4: a beating.
Speaker 1: I mean, even even if you just go through the picks, right,
Speaker 1: you got Malachi Stark's big guy, not super productive, injured
Speaker 1: last year, Yeah, Shamar Stewart only four and a half
Speaker 1: sacks of the last two years, Mike Green coming from
Speaker 1: a small school, Donovan Azarak who only a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Nick Gordon wasn't that productive last year after
Speaker 1: a productive twenty twenty three, right, and then who's that
Speaker 1: guy from Georgia the linebacker gosh number Walker? Yeah Walker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna probably play full time edge but he's
Speaker 1: only got thirty one inch.
Speaker 3: He reminds me of the Walker that got in Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: Right now, Treyva, Like it's you look just built like
Speaker 4: Zeus but a heart of.
Speaker 3: A BB Yeah.
Speaker 1: So again, like there's a lot of questions about just
Speaker 1: the edge rushers. Right, you look at the offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I do think Will Short, Yeah, but I think he's
Speaker 1: he's a good football player though. And then Membu is
Speaker 1: another guy that's interesting, like really relatively new to football.
Speaker 1: I think those guys are. But after that, a lot
Speaker 1: of questions.
Speaker 3: What about the wide receiving position.
Speaker 1: Man, I think this is where I agree with you, Fred.
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the second round, third round,
Speaker 1: I like those route runners, those players a little bit.
Speaker 3: Better than the top George Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, yeah, like so like the guys, the kid
Speaker 1: from Florida, the two guys from Miami, good football players.
Speaker 1: But I look at you know, Cetro McMillan. I like
Speaker 1: his film, but can he separate at the NFL level? Right?
Speaker 2: Who is he is he?
Speaker 3: Keith Sean Johnson? Is he like just a guy like
Speaker 3: I want to know?
Speaker 1: And then Matthew Golden Right, I love how he runs routes,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel on tape his speed. He ran
Speaker 1: a four to two nine, I don't feel that when
Speaker 1: I watch. He's really sudden making. Buka is probably like
Speaker 1: the safest get on bass.
Speaker 3: Pick the thing about Amuka that really does it for me.
Speaker 4: Last year we had him already slided it in the
Speaker 4: first round before the Union comes out and Jeremiah Smith
Speaker 4: just comes in. It makes him look regular, balls make
Speaker 4: him looks regular, like a regular dude, Like in my hand.
Speaker 3: He was a number one before this kid got here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Luther Burton's the other one, the other kind
Speaker 1: of play making.
Speaker 2: Guy, and he's he all over the place.
Speaker 1: I just talked. Someone had him in the third round
Speaker 1: like I literally had a conversation.
Speaker 4: You see him in the third bottom, but the first
Speaker 4: thing you see him in the third like, I don't
Speaker 4: know where he slotted it right now.
Speaker 1: And so again, like a lot of questions for guys
Speaker 1: that are supposed to be on the first round, the
Speaker 1: tight ends, I feel pretty good.
Speaker 3: I do feel good, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But so it's like two offensive linemen, two tight ends,
Speaker 1: a running back, a quarterback. The two safeties I think
Speaker 1: could be good football players, Mak Starks and Nick Ammon Warrior.
Speaker 1: I think they're the real deal, and then I think
Speaker 1: Hunter and Johnson. But outside of that, I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit like the flavor man.
Speaker 4: Who knows like it's just one of those joy Like
Speaker 4: I say, it's the Dreft after the Drea, Like after
Speaker 4: the great Dreft, here go to Drea.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so for our certified baller segment that we
Speaker 1: do particular to the draft, like I found it easier
Speaker 1: to pick five guys from thirty five to seventy five
Speaker 1: than I did from one to thirty easy, easily. So
Speaker 1: I agree with that action Peck.
Speaker 2: When the talent in the back, hey, it happens.
Speaker 3: It happens.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: And then so Tanny, you got.
Speaker 5: Oh, don't be afraid of small school guys. I think
Speaker 5: it's some small school gyms out there, and that's going
Speaker 5: it is, you know, probably racing my brows. You know,
Speaker 5: before some of those top top names, those big name guys.
Speaker 5: You know we talked about the guy from Marshall, Mike
Speaker 5: the Mike Green.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I said he's from a soft school.
Speaker 1: Is a knock on them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but dude, he gets out the Yeah with the
Speaker 4: N I l killed the small school because you know
Speaker 4: you can start there.
Speaker 5: I think the NIL what is going to do going forward.
Speaker 5: This is just my take on it. Especially the portal. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's so many guys getting stuck and lost in that portal.
Speaker 5: You're gonna get a lot of guys. Now that's not
Speaker 5: gonna help out. HBCUs. The other small schools like the Toledos,
Speaker 5: the you know, the the Korean, the schools that you
Speaker 5: just don't see people going to if you ain't getting
Speaker 5: the money you want, and them schools got something and
Speaker 5: they like they need them talent. You're gonna see these
Speaker 5: guys find a way. Because right now I still don't
Speaker 5: have a cap and I think eventually somebody where they.
Speaker 4: Start revenue sharing this year, the next year coming up,
Speaker 4: they start revenue share.
Speaker 5: Amongst their school though right not amongst the whole, amongst
Speaker 5: the conference, amongst the conference revenue share. Okay, I thought
Speaker 5: that was just for the school and all their different sports.
Speaker 4: It's a much the conference, but it's also much all
Speaker 4: the sports.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got you, I got you. Well, my take
Speaker 2: on it is just I think.
Speaker 5: A lot of these guys who get stuck in the portals,
Speaker 5: who get out of these and who get these n
Speaker 5: I thes and want to op out, they're gonna end
Speaker 5: up finding themselves in some of them small schools HBCUs.
Speaker 5: And now you're gonna get a lot of talent. Because
Speaker 5: me and port is talking about this by him going
Speaker 5: over to the Delaware he's a Delaware state with d Jack.
Speaker 5: I was like, Bro, eventually, you guys are going to
Speaker 5: be getting a lot of talent because think about how
Speaker 5: many high schoolers that's not getting picked up nowadays because.
Speaker 4: Of the portal because they don't want fresh You see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. The people don't want freshmen no more.
Speaker 4: Prime just said that.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna get a lot of these small schools
Speaker 5: now getting two or three.
Speaker 2: Guys and you becoming the starter school.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so now right now we've got You've got a
Speaker 5: Mike Green, we got a kid from not State, kid
Speaker 5: from Aflaxidia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you got the kid from Toledo. Uh play
Speaker 2: the tackle.
Speaker 5: So you know what I mean, you're gonna get a guy.
Speaker 5: You know, it's probably gonna be more in the future,
Speaker 5: but right now he got two or three of them
Speaker 5: that you can just name that that that might raise
Speaker 5: my brother.
Speaker 1: Those are those are three good small school call outs,
Speaker 1: like in terms of good football players, like those guys
Speaker 1: are awesome, you know, and then you get later in
Speaker 1: the draft. There's like David Walker from Central Arkansas.
Speaker 3: And I and I take any player any day, any
Speaker 3: time from North Dakota State.
Speaker 2: It's just certain schools.
Speaker 4: I don't take no today players, especially offensive lineman office
Speaker 4: aligning from there.
Speaker 1: I'll say no to a quarterback from MOA Zakota State.
Speaker 4: Iarkin SI, I don't say we'll keep it moving.
Speaker 3: You're two long games left a turn in the NFL.
Speaker 3: It happens.
Speaker 4: But I take a player from Arkansas, Like it's just
Speaker 4: certain schools like I just like their style. Iur you
Speaker 4: ain't got to ask me twice to take no playoff
Speaker 4: from our because you know you're gonna get quality from
Speaker 4: their place.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's right, Sotana. I like that too.
Speaker 1: I like you had two good ones, Dana, the running
Speaker 1: back one and that one I thought were excellent. Jason,
Speaker 1: what's yours you got?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So this draft is so deep? Okay, let me let
Speaker 6: me see what I mean by it's deep. I mean
Speaker 6: that there is a a lot of the same in
Speaker 6: the sense of like the same caliber, and there's so
Speaker 6: many of these guys that fit in the same caliber,
Speaker 6: the same tier, that the draft trade tax is going
Speaker 6: to be low. And what I mean by that is,
Speaker 6: I don't think anyone is going to be clamoring to
Speaker 6: really move in this draft for a specific position. Now,
Speaker 6: maybe I want to move up a spot or two
Speaker 6: for a specific guy.
Speaker 2: But it won't cut. There's going to be a lot
Speaker 2: of trades happening.
Speaker 6: And if they do the tax, what I mean by
Speaker 6: that is, if you're trying to trade up to the
Speaker 6: top ten for a quarterback, you're paying a hefty price.
Speaker 2: In this draft, I don't.
Speaker 6: Think there's going to be a lot to pay to
Speaker 6: move up a spot.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a great point, and on the
Speaker 1: whole I agree with you. But I do think it's
Speaker 1: just being aware of how teams value quarterbacks, like does
Speaker 1: Shador take a slide? Is Jackson Dart higher on People's network?
Speaker 6: Now, wait a minute, for quarterback, there's always a tax,
Speaker 6: that's a positional tax. I'm just talking about like, oh,
Speaker 6: I have a tier here, I want to.
Speaker 3: Just this guy.
Speaker 4: It's not going to cost him league last year, comany
Speaker 4: league last year and this year is not like.
Speaker 1: Well, I do think also, I think there's with anything,
Speaker 1: there's there's exceptions to the rules. So for example, if
Speaker 1: Mike Green might may be a bad example, but like
Speaker 1: let's take Harmon Harmon from Oregon, the defensive tackle. If
Speaker 1: he takes a little bit of a slide and he's
Speaker 1: there at twenty nine or thirty, I could see a
Speaker 1: team trading into the first round because I think he's
Speaker 1: a stellar football player. I think he's like a top twenty,
Speaker 1: top fifteen, top guy. But if there's but that's where
Speaker 1: like individual team evaluations become important. If a guy's falling
Speaker 1: through tiers, you know, like crazy for you like let's
Speaker 1: say he's a first tier player for me hypothetical.
Speaker 4: Let's just say one of the tightiends, because I feel
Speaker 4: like it's a strong group.
Speaker 2: Let's say the Titians.
Speaker 4: Star at the slide I see, I see people making
Speaker 4: Dombino offfiics to try to get in there to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think I think personally, I think Colson
Speaker 1: Lovelin is a special football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he is not like Warren.
Speaker 1: So let's say he's falling down the board a little
Speaker 1: bit because he's in a different tier of position. Then
Speaker 1: maybe they are going to make a move. And again,
Speaker 1: like I think, it depends on the type of player
Speaker 1: and how far they've fallen based on that team's board.
Speaker 1: But generally I agree with what you're saying. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to be crazy.
Speaker 6: Unless a team is actually absolutely in love with the player.
Speaker 6: I just don't think they're going to give up a
Speaker 6: whole lot to move up to get that guy or
Speaker 6: if it's that position, because like you said, like unless
Speaker 6: you absolutely love them, you're only bidding against yourself. Because
Speaker 6: there are a lot of teams I think that are
Speaker 6: going to go. Okay, Harmon's here, But if I wait
Speaker 6: three spots or four spots, I can still get a
Speaker 6: really good defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I that's what I mean. No, I'm with
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. And then mine is the difference
Speaker 1: between five and thirty is nothing. And I absolutely mean that.
Speaker 1: I'm not being hyperbolics.
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's zero like right, it's like no, it's the player
Speaker 1: going to get a five is about the same as
Speaker 1: the player going to get thirty.
Speaker 6: Damn man, it's I have nothing to say, So let
Speaker 6: me ask you a question off of that, just financially speaking. Right, So,
Speaker 6: if that's the case, do you see a lot the
Speaker 6: skill positions and those premier positions going early then just
Speaker 6: because you want to get that.
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks and offensive lineman dictate the draft. They dictate the
Speaker 4: floor of the draft. They dictate the dissimulation of the
Speaker 4: Draft's day go the draft goes. Not no other position
Speaker 4: kind of does that. Like, people will make a run
Speaker 4: on offensive lineman and they got questions about them, but
Speaker 4: if they got the size they looking for some fulm,
Speaker 4: they takeing them and this shapes the draft.
Speaker 3: That shapes the drafts right there. Yeah, And what I
Speaker 3: mean by yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 6: So what I'm saying is if there's like a defensive
Speaker 6: tackle that you want to take, and it means like
Speaker 6: you can take one a little bit later, like what
Speaker 6: you're saying.
Speaker 3: It's nothing to nothing, it's nothing, then why not.
Speaker 6: If you're picking at seven and you have to pay
Speaker 6: trade back or take a skill position because the cost
Speaker 6: is less of a skill like a wide receiver on
Speaker 6: a rookie deal versus defensive lineman on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1: Well so now I think now, like in terms of
Speaker 1: what you're saying, I think defensive tackle, defensive end, offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: and receiver are all kind of financially in the same bucket.
Speaker 1: Like we just saw Milton get paid thirty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, New England, Right, so those contracts are huge.
Speaker 1: So i'd say one of those four positions. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: if you've got a good grade and a guy like
Speaker 1: go for it, right.
Speaker 6: And this is probably why you'll see running back slide.
Speaker 6: I think so because I was looking up something when
Speaker 6: you were talking about running backs and edges earlier and
Speaker 6: h Miles Garrett his rookie contract, he made seven point
Speaker 6: five million a year. Now he makes forty million a
Speaker 6: year Saquon's rookie contract was eight. Now he makes twelve.
Speaker 6: So like, yeah, that's why you get that edge rusher
Speaker 6: and you wait for running backs because money was financial money.
Speaker 5: So you saying that though you're saying that five to
Speaker 5: thirty is particularly for this draft or that's just going
Speaker 5: to be for.
Speaker 1: This draft like last year, I like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: the three, there's the quarterbacks, for the receivers, there's.
Speaker 5: Not making because this draft is what we said it
Speaker 5: was before, it stinks a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, like think about it.
Speaker 4: Last year head probably a a just true top prospect.
Speaker 3: They probably had three in each position almost.
Speaker 1: It was crazy.
Speaker 5: It was just it was loaded to the end. I mean,
Speaker 5: you had quarterbacks that we knew was going to go early,
Speaker 5: but they was. They was doing musical chairs with them.
Speaker 5: I think this guy could go in front. I'm like, damn.
Speaker 4: But then you look at the running back had a
Speaker 4: blue chip tight end prop virus blue chip like Mali
Speaker 4: Nabeles and Brian Tombs it Harrison two things just blue
Speaker 4: chip about the blue chip by the blue chip, and
Speaker 4: it made it hard for you to say.
Speaker 2: Which one do I want?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, quarterbacks this year again, like I think, like
Speaker 1: to be clear, these guys are good football players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just just a draft peaks. Not like with those
Speaker 1: other prospects we got spoiled last year, like Joe Wall
Speaker 1: was maybe the cleanest in the biggest man a right
Speaker 1: and there with like Will Campbell always got small arms,
Speaker 1: members only played offensive line for you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: there's just questions about them in a way that there
Speaker 1: weren't last year, even with the receive like Tetrom I
Speaker 1: like Tetro McMillan a lot, right, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but like Roma Doonza, even Brian Thomas was in a
Speaker 1: different year. So yeah, I think that's where we're talking.
Speaker 1: Like last year was just a special year. This year
Speaker 1: is just more questions, a little bit.
Speaker 2: Like just regular.
Speaker 3: And you put that in weed eatsmore.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So now that's going to lead us to our last
Speaker 1: segment of the show, fan favorite risk It for the Biscuit.
Speaker 1: Biscuit trading places in the NFL Draft wasented by marsh
Speaker 1: McLennon agency. You're a partner in risk and People's strategies. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is a question I get all the
Speaker 1: time and every draft analyst that I've talked to like
Speaker 1: in the media, is like, if the Washington manager are
Speaker 1: picking at twenty nine, I think they should trade back.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, I think there will be a good
Speaker 1: football player there at twenty nine.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Like we could talk about a couple of them, donovanez Araku,
Speaker 1: Nick Gordon, you know who, and Buka whoever you want
Speaker 1: to talk about there, And I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be someone good there, right, But trading back, it's you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to get more draft capital, to get.
Speaker 3: More picks, more value.
Speaker 1: However, the thing that I keep coming back to, and
Speaker 1: Jason brought this up with his comment, is who's going
Speaker 1: to trade with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh, I already got a play we got all right.
Speaker 4: What you want to do is you want to find
Speaker 4: somebody out there that's eating needy. They have to have
Speaker 4: a certain position. I'm going and I'm knocking on the
Speaker 4: door of the New Orleans Saints. I heard you need
Speaker 4: a quarterback like this one. I'm at twenty nine. You
Speaker 4: want to get Jackson Dart from Old miss You give
Speaker 4: me your second round and your third round, all right,
Speaker 4: So now that gives me two second round picks and
Speaker 4: then I get to replace my third round that I
Speaker 4: trade it, they get Jackson Dart who they want. And
Speaker 4: guess what with them taking Jackson Dirt at twenty nine,
Speaker 4: you're still not shopping in the positional position that I
Speaker 4: was shopping.
Speaker 2: In in the first round.
Speaker 1: So they have nine have nine total picks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I told them, but I'm saying they had I
Speaker 5: thought they had one in the first exactly. So top
Speaker 5: they might your door if you do it around.
Speaker 1: Well, think about it.
Speaker 2: I need that that.
Speaker 4: That I say if they do, if they don't take
Speaker 4: your doing that what I was saying, if they don't,
Speaker 4: because because they're not in the top five, so it's
Speaker 4: safe to say, it's safe to say that you regardless,
Speaker 4: you got to get the third best quarterback. And they
Speaker 4: might say, all right, why would I take the bad
Speaker 4: third quarterback when I can get McMillan, are wide receiver here,
Speaker 4: get back in the bottom of the first round and
Speaker 4: take Jackson Dark.
Speaker 2: Now I got two things. So you think mc millan
Speaker 2: go before Arizona, right.
Speaker 1: Before the Arizona White.
Speaker 5: McMillan is the Arizona. McMillan's Arizona. I'm thinking about the
Speaker 5: other kids. What the other kid name is? That we
Speaker 5: talk about yesterday from Ohio State. Yeah, that's him.
Speaker 3: I don't I think here a bottom of the first
Speaker 3: round got but I see gold pushing here.
Speaker 1: That's the thing though about this is like the difference
Speaker 1: between those three guys is nothing. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: Beauty's and the I of the Beholder's say, I'm picking
Speaker 1: at eight and I really like McMillan, Like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go that way. But if I'm read eight and I
Speaker 1: really like if I if I'm Carolina at eight, and
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: What separates them to you? You a corner? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know what separated just me watching them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, McMillan. To me, everybody worried about his separation. I
Speaker 4: don't because that's what he do. He catched contested balls,
Speaker 4: got great hands, and he got he got this.
Speaker 2: He got what I call bad catch.
Speaker 4: Radius, meaning his arms are so long he can catch
Speaker 4: bad balls no matter where you throw him in.
Speaker 3: So I don't need him to have.
Speaker 1: It crazy because he didn't measure along. But it's it's timing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he reminds me a little bit of a.
Speaker 5: Basketball player, Mike Evans' body kind of you know, when
Speaker 5: my first got in the league, he was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: got a gift you on him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he ain't slope.
Speaker 5: And then the other kid that they got over there
Speaker 5: in Atlanta, Yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: To me had that kind of very much.
Speaker 1: Drake London to me, and again, Drake London was special
Speaker 1: because of the physicality. Almost plays like a tight end.
Speaker 1: Yeah McMillan doesn't.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, not.
Speaker 1: I think he's a better He's got better long I mean,
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 4: Say he's he's a little bit more like attack. He
Speaker 4: attacked the ball like hell. And that's why I would
Speaker 4: take him a because he does. To me, he's a
Speaker 4: He's the kid that they got in New Orleans. He's
Speaker 4: a savvy Chris. He's a he's a smooth runner and
Speaker 4: run rounds.
Speaker 3: He don't he don't live, got another gear, but he
Speaker 3: reminds me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so so he's a guy that.
Speaker 5: They they put in those tough situations when he catched
Speaker 5: those those contestants, you know, balls that you might not
Speaker 5: think that he'll go out there, but I just think't
Speaker 5: see to me, I didn't see nothing that would flash. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like I said, probably because that little number four over there,
Speaker 5: we're just doing so much. You know, he didn't flash me,
Speaker 5: so I think.
Speaker 1: But the other guy is Matthew Golden that I think
Speaker 1: is interesting and he's a guy that I think. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've watched him from Texas number two.
Speaker 1: He is super good in his routees, very technical. But
Speaker 1: again I don't know if I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: when there's a number one receiver on the field.
Speaker 2: You don't feel like he's worthy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel that way.
Speaker 2: But he was gonna be that dynamic in the lead.
Speaker 5: I know he's gonna be fast, but I didn't watch
Speaker 5: them college and say, mate, it's gonna go to the
Speaker 5: league and Bob Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically the point of this discussion is to say
Speaker 1: that New Orleans who were talking about, right, they're picking
Speaker 1: ten or something like that. Yeah, they're also picking forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, so let's say they take Tetro McMillan. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then my question is, I think Jackson Dart's a second
Speaker 1: round player. So do you just stick and pick at
Speaker 1: forty or do you feel But we.
Speaker 4: Watch this every year of people get answered with these
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and like over drafting quarterbacks is normal. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: overdraft and Wira receiver with the a top trash to
Speaker 4: you then, But nobody ever says anything about overdrafting quarterback
Speaker 4: because it's just the commodity too hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess that's the thing. It's really it
Speaker 1: really depends on where the quarterbacks go to me. And again,
Speaker 1: if there's a team that like loves a player, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they trade up with you, But to me, it's
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. It depends on where where that evaluation comes out,
Speaker 1: because like right now, you talk to anybody and you'll
Speaker 1: get a crazy different end. Like you know we were
Speaker 1: talking about in the production meeting, like mel Kaipras, he's
Speaker 1: the first traderse Saders is the first pick on his
Speaker 1: board over Camboord. Yeah right, So, like you can get
Speaker 1: a team that really loves should should do right, or
Speaker 1: you get a team that really loves Jackson.
Speaker 3: Dart Yeah, or Jackson Dart film He's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Will Howard from Oh I'm Not High one half?
Speaker 1: What's the guy from Louisville, what's his name? Shuck Shuck,
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck like which he's clambing everybody bullet right. So
Speaker 1: but again, like wherever those guys end up going, that's
Speaker 1: going to lead to trade value. I think more than anything.
Speaker 1: And so if you can trade back, I like, like
Speaker 1: Fred talked about with his like you right, you'd rather
Speaker 1: two picks in the second than one pick in the first.
Speaker 1: I think that's one hundred percent right. If you make
Speaker 1: that happen, awesome, But I just don't know who's gonna dance,
Speaker 1: because I think everybody else is starting to become aware
Speaker 1: of this. Like teams are smart not not really.
Speaker 3: We give these people too much creative.
Speaker 4: We watched Tom Foolery all the tie A team down
Speaker 4: the street, Saint cun walk out of and Payton d
Speaker 4: We have seen Tom Foolery all day. And when it
Speaker 4: comes to Andre. The one thing I can say about this,
Speaker 4: every team think they right. Every team think they drafting
Speaker 4: the right person at the right time to the right team.
Speaker 4: And how many times do we watch maybe one fourth
Speaker 4: of a draft class actually be promsed and the rest
Speaker 4: of the guys gone.
Speaker 5: I think most of the teams you see that draft
Speaker 5: or or missing the drafts when they reaching they need
Speaker 5: that position so.
Speaker 2: Bad, no choice.
Speaker 5: They have no choice but to pick what's available, and
Speaker 5: that guy might not fit what they have going on,
Speaker 5: but they got it.
Speaker 1: Got to take. You said, yes, that's like you the most.
Speaker 1: That's when you make a mistake. He said.
Speaker 4: The one thing I will not go into a draft
Speaker 4: doing is going in there pigeonholing myself. I will never
Speaker 4: be forced to take a guy Jim because I have
Speaker 4: a position ed, he said. I would draft another position
Speaker 4: and I find another way to feel that position.
Speaker 5: But I'm not going to force I mean, that's what
Speaker 5: you want. You want to be able to say, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm not like last year. We had to get a quarterback.
Speaker 5: We had to get that way that was. It wasn't perfect,
Speaker 5: but it was one.
Speaker 2: Of the drafts. All that it was.
Speaker 5: It was was in the right slide, and they had
Speaker 5: enough guys that we could have choose from, but we
Speaker 5: had the one guy that we knew it and and
Speaker 5: it's safe to say if even if Caleb would have
Speaker 5: failed to second, you.
Speaker 2: Were the one with Caleb.
Speaker 4: We were the one with Drake may Michael, all these
Speaker 4: guys bone show y'all, we can flat out play it.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we got the guy we got, we
Speaker 2: got the gas fit, we got the gap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think like that was the luxury of
Speaker 1: last year and then this year. If you're the Giants like, man,
Speaker 1: we need a quarterback real bad. It's like, okay, what happened.
Speaker 1: This is a little but how about the Giants having
Speaker 1: such a bad hard Knocks that they killed the show? No?
Speaker 2: Right now about the show?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no more hard Knocks.
Speaker 5: Listen, they killed the show that bad because no one
Speaker 5: wants to do it because you imagine, like I'm sitting
Speaker 5: there and I'm like, hey man, because of that whole thing,
Speaker 5: Listen to me.
Speaker 4: It's if you're a New York Giants fan, they just
Speaker 4: took the air out the room for you, like that
Speaker 4: took and then the owner sit here and saying it,
Speaker 4: I don't want to let him go.
Speaker 5: No, I don't even think that was the problem to me,
Speaker 5: knowing that your son has a clue, you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's man. I think you need to get that
Speaker 2: guy there. I like that you don't get and don't
Speaker 2: get your kids. You told this man, I don't want
Speaker 2: to see Saquan.
Speaker 1: They feel it death. That was a while you one day.
Speaker 4: After him being on the market, and he didn't feel
Speaker 4: it there for your winning a super Bowl, No no,
Speaker 4: not that hurt the most and you want a super
Speaker 4: Bowl and he let the league in the dam and
Speaker 4: I almost broke broke the record and you.
Speaker 1: Cut Daniel Jones. Dude. I think that was the thing
Speaker 1: that when I when I saw that, I was like,
Speaker 1: they don't understand the dynamic of that team, Like Quan
Speaker 1: was the only explosive weapon that had.
Speaker 2: On and made Dave Jones who he was.
Speaker 5: Like, you obviously saw that Dave Jones beat nobody but
Speaker 5: us ll be he pops up at the time when
Speaker 5: we was we was poor.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean poor? Yeah, we was terrible.
Speaker 2: We was terrible. But he took advantage of that, took
Speaker 2: advantage of.
Speaker 5: It, right.
Speaker 1: So we talked about trading down in the draft. Is
Speaker 1: there any benefit to trading.
Speaker 3: Up only when you got that player your eyesight? But
Speaker 3: this year, I don't know this year.
Speaker 5: This year, I feel like if you due to the
Speaker 5: fact that we're sitting where we're at, and if you
Speaker 5: got the best player of the draft.
Speaker 2: That you can fill your roster with and he's there,
Speaker 2: you go ahead.
Speaker 5: I think the only thing that you can do that
Speaker 5: will that's that would raise my eyebrows, have me you know,
Speaker 5: you know, I guess you could say rubbing my hands
Speaker 5: if we trade back saying that we got some we
Speaker 5: get more pics and we know it's gonna be talent
Speaker 5: us sitting sitting around, because then I'll be thinking about
Speaker 5: Okay running back or somebody in that second round that
Speaker 5: we can really, you know, do some great things with.
Speaker 2: But I feel like we're straight.
Speaker 5: And it's not because I sat there and watch you
Speaker 5: in AP talk and have so much chemistry together. It's
Speaker 5: just just seeing these movies, seeing these moves beforehand, before
Speaker 5: y'all had that talk.
Speaker 2: I'm watching these moves.
Speaker 5: He's making them, like bro, I haven't seen a guy
Speaker 5: move like this with this organization in a long time.
Speaker 4: He was telling you about his moves. I don't feel
Speaker 4: high about this draft. I don't feel high about free
Speaker 4: agency gonna I'm gonna go cherry pick off people roster.
Speaker 4: He's letting you know by his actions how he feel
Speaker 4: about this draft. Clad, and I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people feel this way about this drail Clad tell you true, ye.
Speaker 1: Yeah and so, and then the other one is just
Speaker 1: obviously trade up, trade back, and then he's sticking pick
Speaker 1: and I actually feel really good about sticking and picking
Speaker 1: in this draft. I think there's going to be a
Speaker 1: good again because like I said that between five and thirty.
Speaker 3: If you ever drove a stick shift, yes, once, ain't
Speaker 3: nothing like hitting that clutch and putting that thing in reverse.
Speaker 2: You remember, we ain't had no camera.
Speaker 3: We had to look up.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm doing, Like, listen, I want to get
Speaker 4: If I can't get one gigantic great entity, I read
Speaker 4: to get a lot of small ones so they can
Speaker 4: combide and be the y that I want them to be.
Speaker 4: Because the first thing he said is I'm gonna truly
Speaker 4: build his team through the draft.
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna truly build it to the draft
Speaker 3: every year, you got to add just that much more.
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing to the important remember
Speaker 1: because someone said, oh, we don't only have five picks.
Speaker 1: But I also will say that last year, three undrafted
Speaker 1: free agents made this team, and so they did a
Speaker 1: good job of identifying people that they felt could make
Speaker 1: the team. And that's another element where I think having
Speaker 1: a guy like Ap, having this whole front office stat
Speaker 1: like someone dedicated to it, you can find those gems, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that's it. So I think obviously we're
Speaker 1: really excited about the draft, and every year the draft
Speaker 1: is so fun to talk about because it's so different.
Speaker 3: The day dreams come true, the day of tears.
Speaker 1: Their tears, good tears though.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's gonna be some.
Speaker 3: Bad because guys ain't gonna go where they thout. They
Speaker 3: should win it.
Speaker 2: Yourself before that day. Yeah, your friends move boys. He
Speaker 2: was sitting up there like I knew I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: had that part, couldn't be.
Speaker 3: But guess what a blessing.
Speaker 4: Hell, I came here and I listen everything happened happen,
Speaker 4: so I was perfect, Like it's the best thing could
Speaker 4: have happened to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So that's gonna do today show. Please make
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