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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, everybody, HOPEFU. All of you guys had an
Speaker 1: incredible week. We have a jampackshow for you today. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be hitting two instant reactions from last night's games.
Speaker 1: The Oklahoma City Thunder got to win over the red
Speaker 1: hot Los Angeles Clippers all be without Kawhi Leonard, and
Speaker 1: then the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Orlando Magic at home
Speaker 1: in an interesting game. After that, we're gonna do our
Speaker 1: weekly MVP Ladder like we're gonna start doing on every
Speaker 1: Friday from now on, and then last but not least,
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Speaker 1: the season. All right, let's talk some basketball. So the
Speaker 1: Thunder pretty much controlled this game against the Clippers. There
Speaker 1: was a brief stretch there in the early third quarter
Speaker 1: where James hard To hit a couple of step back
Speaker 1: threes in a row and the Clippers ended up going
Speaker 1: up by one, but the Thunder just immediately regained control
Speaker 1: of the game. But they were up in by double
Speaker 1: digits like that after that. Honestly, like there was just
Speaker 1: this I've talked a lot about this concept on the show.
Speaker 1: I view the perimeter defense battle like the ability to
Speaker 1: contain dribble penetration on one end and then to generate
Speaker 1: a dribble penetration on the other end. I look at
Speaker 1: that as like the push and pull that you see
Speaker 1: in basketball that most closely resembles what happens in football
Speaker 1: in terms of lying play between the offensive line and
Speaker 1: the defensive line. Like if a team gets excellent push
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and then on when they're on defense,
Speaker 1: if they can get penetration into the backfield, that goes
Speaker 1: a long way towards making the game easier for every
Speaker 1: other position group, right, And that's kind of the way
Speaker 1: I feel about perimeter defense in basketball and this battle,
Speaker 1: especially with Kawhi out. I would have loved to have
Speaker 1: seen Kawhi in this matchup because one of the best
Speaker 1: counters for a team that's got really good quick perimeter
Speaker 1: defenders is to have a guy that can generate drible
Speaker 1: penetration without necessarily having to beat people off the dribble,
Speaker 1: meaning like the ability to back a guy down into
Speaker 1: the post. Another thing with Kawhi two is, you know,
Speaker 1: dribble penetration gaps are easier to shoot through when you
Speaker 1: have strength. So, for instance, like if I make a
Speaker 1: move and I get my defender to just barely buckle,
Speaker 1: but I have a strength advantage, I can shoot through
Speaker 1: that gap with physicality, Whereas if I don't have his
Speaker 1: strength advantage and I get the defender to buckle just
Speaker 1: a tiny bit, he can use physicality to regain control
Speaker 1: of that situation, and vice versa. Right, So Kawhi just
Speaker 1: would have been an interesting kind of wrinkle to throw
Speaker 1: into this matchup. But the Thunder just generally controlled that
Speaker 1: perimeter defense matchup, which just that perimeter defense battle, I
Speaker 1: should say, which led to them getting higher quality shots
Speaker 1: and then winning. But I want to zoom in on
Speaker 1: the Thunder side of things on chet Holmgrin for a
Speaker 1: little bit here, because I thought this was one of
Speaker 1: his more impressive games as a pro, just from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of how much they leaned on him to start
Speaker 1: plays rather than to finish plays. And you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Zubac is a good center who I think does a
Speaker 1: lot of things really well in a traditional sense, in
Speaker 1: traditional coverages, and you know, doing a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that you need a traditional center to do from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of play finishing, right, But chet kind of
Speaker 1: represents in a lot of ways what a modern center
Speaker 1: is going to look like if we fast forward twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years in my opinion, and that's like basically a
Speaker 1: really tall wing, you know that that can dribble, shoot
Speaker 1: and pass with the best of them. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that the Thunder realized pretty quickly
Speaker 1: in this game is like, why would we attack Terrence
Speaker 1: Man and Russell Westbrook and Paul George and Norman Powell
Speaker 1: and all these superior athletes and a mere coffee and
Speaker 1: stuff on the perimeter when we have a clear matchup
Speaker 1: advantage here, which is that if Kazubac just has no
Speaker 1: chance to guard sheet home grand on an island, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's not a shot at at Zuba's, it's just
Speaker 1: a reality of what kind of matchup Chet can create.
Speaker 1: And like he was just attacking in space just like they,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of all space out to the perimeter
Speaker 1: and give at the ball, and he would just make
Speaker 1: a dribble move and beat Zubots off the dribble. There's
Speaker 1: this crazy one where he had just beat Zubats to
Speaker 1: the right side and finished on the right side of
Speaker 1: the basket in the early third quarter, and then they
Speaker 1: cleared out the right side for him, and he dribbled
Speaker 1: left and like fake like he was gonna shoot a
Speaker 1: pull up jump shots. Zubats jumped and then he just
Speaker 1: threw it up off the glass and he went up
Speaker 1: and dunked it with two hands. And so one of
Speaker 1: the things the Clippers did is they put Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: on him and they're basically like, this guy's beating everybody
Speaker 1: off the dribble. Let's go small and let's just just
Speaker 1: bother his base. Right. That's a big thing that I
Speaker 1: talk about a lot on the show. And when you're
Speaker 1: a defensive player and you don't have a size advantage,
Speaker 1: you have to attack the base. You can never hope
Speaker 1: to bother a guy like that up top because that's
Speaker 1: where his advantage is is in his height, right, And
Speaker 1: so if I can disrupt the base, like push on
Speaker 1: their legs or their hips to make it so that
Speaker 1: when they jump they don't get the same amount of
Speaker 1: energy transfer, or to swipe at the dribble pocket or
Speaker 1: the shooting pocket like as they're gathering the ball, to
Speaker 1: try to disrupt that flow up to the top of
Speaker 1: the shot. That's your best way to do it, right.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that they did I
Speaker 1: thought was interesting is they had Chet set a screen
Speaker 1: on the ball, get Russ switched off of him. There's
Speaker 1: a play where he isolates Terrence Man at the top
Speaker 1: of the key in a triple thread and again, like
Speaker 1: Terrence Man, super quick athlete, right, you expect him to
Speaker 1: beat Chet to spots. Chet straight up ripped through and
Speaker 1: beat Terrence Man to the right. And then Terrence Man,
Speaker 1: recovered because he's got great speed, gets back in front
Speaker 1: of Chet. But Chet was able to get close enough
Speaker 1: to the rim for him to kind of slow himself
Speaker 1: down and shoot like an easy bank shot over the top.
Speaker 1: And we're up to sixty eight self creation possessions for
Speaker 1: Chet at this point in the season, now that I'm
Speaker 1: counting as any pick and roll ISO or post up
Speaker 1: including passes basically if Chet is initiating the action in
Speaker 1: a half court set. And out of those sixty eight possessions,
Speaker 1: the thunder Of scored seventy five points, which is one
Speaker 1: point one points per possession, which is astounding under any circumstances,
Speaker 1: let alone for rookie. I think Chet has a superstar,
Speaker 1: top tier superstar potential. I'm super super excited to cover
Speaker 1: this kid in his career and see what he's capable of.
Speaker 1: I thought he was amazing last night against the Clippers
Speaker 1: moving out of the Bucks in the Magic. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting because down the stretch of this game is reasonably close,
Speaker 1: and the Bucks won the game down the stretch executing
Speaker 1: on offense, and they were spamming a lot of Dame
Speaker 1: Giannis pick and roll, which was funny because that's not
Speaker 1: how they won the game. They won the game with
Speaker 1: a couple of different types of offensive possessions. There was
Speaker 1: a late clock situation where Dame took a step back
Speaker 1: three over Gary Harris and drew a foul and got
Speaker 1: to what that Dame is very very good at drawing fouls,
Speaker 1: gets to the foul line, generates three points that way.
Speaker 1: There was a baseline out of balance play where they
Speaker 1: had if I remember correctly, Brook Lopez set a backscreen
Speaker 1: for Pat Conaton and Wendell Carter Junior just was or
Speaker 1: it was Jannis Yiannis set a backscreen for Pat Conaton
Speaker 1: and and Wendell Carter Junior, even though Jannis can't shoot.
Speaker 1: Was like like, just not attention to the basket and
Speaker 1: just let Pat get right behind him. Laid it in
Speaker 1: and then there was a crosscreen action they ran for
Speaker 1: Jannis that actually really liked to help him get a
Speaker 1: deep post catch on the left block, and he just
Speaker 1: went to like a little right handed hook shot over
Speaker 1: the top. But they did run a ton of Dame
Speaker 1: Gianis pick and roll, and I'm glad just because, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the sloppy stuff that happened is stuff that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to figure out in the long run,
Speaker 1: and they got some really good looks out of it.
Speaker 1: So first one, they ran down the stretch, Jannis gets
Speaker 1: a They ran on a cleared side on the right side,
Speaker 1: and Yannis ended up getting basically a wide open dunk
Speaker 1: and he just missed it, which like, how often do
Speaker 1: you see Yannis miss basically an uncontested dunk, right, So
Speaker 1: that was the first one quality possession just didn't result
Speaker 1: in points. There's another one they ran where they dug
Speaker 1: over with the low man and and Dame had a
Speaker 1: skip pass to the left corner and instead of throwing
Speaker 1: the pass, he tried to force it into Giannis and
Speaker 1: it led to a turnover. And then after that Dame
Speaker 1: made the read. They ran on the opposite side of
Speaker 1: the floor from the left side moving towards the right,
Speaker 1: and dam identified that they were coming over to take
Speaker 1: away that drop off past Gianni's and he made a
Speaker 1: skip to Malik Beasley in the right wing, and Malik
Speaker 1: Besley was able to pump, fake rip and make a
Speaker 1: little floater off the glass and a couple of different
Speaker 1: things that you're seeing. First of all those second two
Speaker 1: that I just mentioned, they didn't clear the side. I
Speaker 1: think clearing the side opens up that pocket pass makes
Speaker 1: it harder to help on the pocket pass. Think of
Speaker 1: it like this. I have if I'm setting up on
Speaker 1: the left wing, and I've got shooter right corner, right
Speaker 1: wing and right elbow extended, so that's where all the
Speaker 1: shooting is, and I have Giannis come and set the
Speaker 1: ball screen on my right hand side while I have
Speaker 1: the left side of the floor cleared. Is I come
Speaker 1: off to the right. If that pick and roll defender
Speaker 1: shows in any way and Yannis rolls to the open
Speaker 1: space on the left side of the floor, there's just
Speaker 1: so much room for him to go to work there.
Speaker 1: And the only way they can get there and help
Speaker 1: in time is if they zone up, meaning they bring
Speaker 1: that defender all the way to the strong side of
Speaker 1: the floor, which opens up a whole other list of
Speaker 1: issues for your defense, right And I did think it
Speaker 1: was interesting that when they ran it with a full
Speaker 1: with an occupied corner, it was easier for that guy
Speaker 1: to get involved with disrupting that pocket pass. But even
Speaker 1: with that being the case, when they do run it
Speaker 1: in the middle of the floor and there is a
Speaker 1: shooter in both corners, that's where making that skip passes
Speaker 1: an important read for Dame because one, you've done your job,
Speaker 1: You've created a closeout opportunity. Two Malik Beasley shooting the shit
Speaker 1: out of basketball, so dudes are gonna chase him off
Speaker 1: the line, and three like that just gets the defense
Speaker 1: and rotation and from there you've got enough ball handling
Speaker 1: and shooting on the floor to make good plays out
Speaker 1: of it. But I again, are where we are right
Speaker 1: now is not quite where the dam Giannis pick and
Speaker 1: roll needs to be to win the title. But I
Speaker 1: love that they're spamming it. I love that they're trying
Speaker 1: to build that chemistry because that's the action that's going
Speaker 1: to get you the trophy one day, if you could
Speaker 1: figure it out, and if you can, if you can
Speaker 1: defend well enough to tie everything together on the magic front.
Speaker 1: A lot of self inflicted wounds in the fourth I
Speaker 1: talked about Gary Harris fouling Damian Lillard on a three.
Speaker 1: Right after that play, Jonathan Isaac stepped out of bounds
Speaker 1: in the right corner, just that classic negative step thing
Speaker 1: that you see all the time. Pallo Bancaro took like
Speaker 1: a really tough transition three that I thought he settled.
Speaker 1: Ford took a wide open catch and shoot three later
Speaker 1: that he made. He's been shooting the ball pretty well
Speaker 1: this season. Shot selections A big piece there. The Pat
Speaker 1: Conington backscreen on the inbounds play. That was just bad
Speaker 1: defense from Wendell Carter Junior. His number one responsibility in
Speaker 1: that situation is the basket, and he just wasn't doing
Speaker 1: his job. There was another play where Wendell Carter Junior
Speaker 1: had a deep seal in the post and Franz Wagner
Speaker 1: threw like a one hand rifle pass that was just
Speaker 1: really difficult to grab. So we're talking five pretty significant
Speaker 1: self inflicted wounds there in the fourth quarter that took
Speaker 1: them out of any chance to win that game. Kind
Speaker 1: Of typical for young teams, right like they're going to
Speaker 1: struggle in those particular types of situations. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about Froz Vagner for a second though, because he
Speaker 1: had twenty nine to six and six in this game
Speaker 1: and really had a lot of success picking the Bucks
Speaker 1: apart in pick and roll. He just is so big
Speaker 1: that he can get downhill and actually finish around Brook Lopez.
Speaker 1: There was a play where Wendell Carter Junior rolled hard
Speaker 1: into Lopez and occupied him, which allowed Franz to get
Speaker 1: to his little floater in the lane. And then when
Speaker 1: Bobby Portis was in the game, they were blitzing and
Speaker 1: switching and Franz was just killing him. Every time they blitz,
Speaker 1: he'd drop it off to move Wagner and he'd get
Speaker 1: downhill and he'd make a play right or if there
Speaker 1: were two plays in the second half, Reportis had to
Speaker 1: switch out onto Franz, and Franz just cooked him one
Speaker 1: on one and got all the way to the basket
Speaker 1: for his little, you know, hook shot that he takes
Speaker 1: over the top. Franz is playing really good basketball. It
Speaker 1: was fun watching him go to work against that team
Speaker 1: because that's a team that has a lot of size
Speaker 1: in the Bucks and so for a guy like him
Speaker 1: to you know where, his biggest advantage his size. To
Speaker 1: continue to thrive in that type of environment, I thought
Speaker 1: was really impressive. All right, moving on to the MVP Ladder.
Speaker 1: So for those of you guys who missed it last week,
Speaker 1: we had Joel Embiad at number one, Jannison Tenna Kumpo
Speaker 1: at number two, Tyre's Halliburton at number three, Shay Gildos,
Speaker 1: Alexander at number four, Luka Doncic at number five, Nikole
Speaker 1: Jokich at number six, Deer and Fox at number seven,
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum at number eight, Lebron James at number nine,
Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant at number ten. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing this every Friday, primarily going We're
Speaker 1: not gonna do deep dives into every single player, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna do mainly just descriptions of why I have
Speaker 1: made changes to the rankings. So two guys are dropping
Speaker 1: out of the list this week versus Lebron. He averaged
Speaker 1: twenty four nine rebounds and eleven assists this week, but
Speaker 1: they went zero to three in the three games that
Speaker 1: Lebron played. He's still been pretty good on offense, although
Speaker 1: his jumpers cooled off. But my main issue with Lebron
Speaker 1: right now is just outside of the n Season tournament,
Speaker 1: he just hasn't given a shit about playing any defense.
Speaker 1: And we've talked a lot about this, but that low
Speaker 1: man responsibility is vitally important in any NBA defense, but
Speaker 1: it's especially important in this Laker defense that's doing so
Speaker 1: much blitzing and pick and roll. You just need a
Speaker 1: guy there that's really, really active, that's trying to make plays.
Speaker 1: And we've we've seen what it looks like when you
Speaker 1: know when like Tyres Haliburton didn't have a single turnover
Speaker 1: during the n Season tournament, until suddenly Lebron blows up
Speaker 1: a play as a low man in pick and roll,
Speaker 1: like he is capable of being so devastating. They're totally
Speaker 1: understand for the record, like he's old. Got to find
Speaker 1: a way to conserve energy somewhere. Lebron's conserving energy on
Speaker 1: defense right now. I don't think he sees the regular
Speaker 1: season as that important. Totally fine, but the purpose of
Speaker 1: this list is to draw attention to players who are
Speaker 1: playing well within the confines of the regular season. So
Speaker 1: as of right now, I'm dropping Lebron off the list.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is the other guy I'm dropping off. His
Speaker 1: numbers are still super good thirty two points, four rebounds,
Speaker 1: five assists, still super efficient, but the Suns are in
Speaker 1: a free fall. They can't score the basketball. They've lost
Speaker 1: seven of their last ten games. They've been a bottom
Speaker 1: five offense in that span. And the biggest issues that
Speaker 1: I'm noticing are one, They're running a ton of ISOs
Speaker 1: without being efficient with them. They run the eighth most
Speaker 1: ISOs in the league except for everyone else above them
Speaker 1: is like right around a point per possession or more,
Speaker 1: and the Suns are down at zero point nine zero
Speaker 1: points per ISOs. So they're running a lot of ISOs
Speaker 1: and they're not getting anything out of them relative to
Speaker 1: the rest of the league. They're also not generating enough threes.
Speaker 1: They're only generating twenty nine three per game over this
Speaker 1: ten game stretch, which is dead last in the NBA.
Speaker 1: And they never get out in transition. They get just
Speaker 1: seventeen transition possessions per game, which ranks twenty eighth in
Speaker 1: the NBA. So for right now, based on team's success,
Speaker 1: dropping Kevin Durant off the list all right. This week's
Speaker 1: MVP rankings for Hoops tonight. Number ten Jason Tatum. He
Speaker 1: averaged twenty three to seven and five last week. Is
Speaker 1: scoring consistency has taken a hit. He averaged excuse me,
Speaker 1: he scored thirty plus five times in his first six games,
Speaker 1: but he's done it just five times total in the
Speaker 1: last twenty games. Now, that was really disappointed in his
Speaker 1: inability to regain control of that Warriors game as things
Speaker 1: were going down the stretch. I know his ankle was
Speaker 1: tweaked early in the game, but I thought he had
Speaker 1: advantages and I didn't think he exploited them as well
Speaker 1: as he could have. Number nine Jalen Brunson, our first
Speaker 1: newcomer on the list this season. Last ten games, Jalen
Speaker 1: Brunson twenty seven points, five rebounds, and seven assists, forty
Speaker 1: nine percent from the field and forty four percent from three,
Speaker 1: and the Knicks are now a top ten offense. They
Speaker 1: are sixteen and eleven, and they have the ninth best
Speaker 1: record in basketball. Jalen is hooping his ass off. He's
Speaker 1: at number nine in our MVP rankings. Number eight Tyrese
Speaker 1: Halliburton drops all the way down. I think he had
Speaker 1: I think he was in third last week sixteen points,
Speaker 1: three rebounds, and twelve assists, really cooled off, shooting the
Speaker 1: basketball everywhere really right now, thirty seven percent from the field.
Speaker 1: He's in the twenties. From three, Pacers went one to four.
Speaker 1: Just like the Lakers. The Pacers have completely fallen apart
Speaker 1: since the Ncason Tournament, a clear indicator that there's a
Speaker 1: real emotional letdown after playing those super high stakes games
Speaker 1: and then going into regular season basketball. There number seven
Speaker 1: another newcomer this week, Steph Curry, after straight up stealing
Speaker 1: the Celtics game with late game shot making. The Warriors
Speaker 1: are now thirteen and twelve when Steph Curry plays, despite
Speaker 1: just a ridiculous amount of issues between main core players
Speaker 1: not playing well, between Draymond Green removing himself well from
Speaker 1: the team with poor decision making, to a lot of
Speaker 1: young guys in the lineup, there's just there's just a
Speaker 1: boatload of things going wrong with this team, and yet
Speaker 1: they've still been about five hundred in a really difficult
Speaker 1: league on a really tough schedule. Because Steph Curry is
Speaker 1: the same old Steph Curry twenty eight points per game
Speaker 1: on sixty five percent true shooting. He's just floating things
Speaker 1: well enough for the Warriors to be able to survive
Speaker 1: until they can make a move to upgrade the roster.
Speaker 1: Number six Lukadancic thirty five, eleven and nine in the
Speaker 1: last week, but the MAVs went one in two, so
Speaker 1: I dropped him down a little bit. Dearren Fox thirty
Speaker 1: at number five. Deer In Fox thirty points, four rebounds,
Speaker 1: five assists per game in the last week and the
Speaker 1: Kings went two and one, moved him up to number five.
Speaker 1: Number four Nikola Jokic twenty one, ten and eight in
Speaker 1: the last week and the Nuggets went two and one,
Speaker 1: with that one loss being the buzzer loss to the Thunder.
Speaker 1: The Toronto win the other night felt like a get
Speaker 1: right game for Nikola Jokic. He went cold from three
Speaker 1: there for a little whilember I was complaining about that,
Speaker 1: and I was specifically complaining about him not taking them anymore,
Speaker 1: which was frustrating. Three for five against Toronto. I just
Speaker 1: think that that's a very very important shot for Jokic
Speaker 1: to be considered the best player in the world. It's
Speaker 1: all of the things put together that makes like without
Speaker 1: that three point shot, he goes from being the most inevitable,
Speaker 1: unstoppable offensive player in the league to something less than that,
Speaker 1: and it's just an important element. I thought that was encouraging.
Speaker 1: Against Toronto he had thirty one points as well. Nikola
Speaker 1: Jokic up to number four. Number three shake Gils was
Speaker 1: Alexander twenty nine points, eight rebounds and six assists. Last
Speaker 1: week the Thunder went three and Oho hits the game
Speaker 1: winner against Denver hangs thirty one on the red Hot
Speaker 1: Clippers that have been so good defensively lately. Just a
Speaker 1: great week for shake Gil's as Alexander. I have him
Speaker 1: up at number three, number two. Giannis there was a
Speaker 1: weird game in there where he didn't play much that
Speaker 1: threw off his averages, but he still averaged twenty four
Speaker 1: to twelve and eight over the course of the last week.
Speaker 1: The Bucks went four and oh, so I moved him
Speaker 1: up to number two. Actually, I think he was at
Speaker 1: number two last week and the number one Joel Embiid
Speaker 1: forty two points, fourteen rebounds and four assists. In the
Speaker 1: last week the Sixers go three and one. Lost to
Speaker 1: the Bulls. But the Bulls are playing really well and
Speaker 1: they had just played a bunch of the Sixers had
Speaker 1: just played a bunch of bad teams, which typically can
Speaker 1: kind of set your team up for some failure because
Speaker 1: you built some bad habits playing against bad teams. Right,
Speaker 1: here's the thing for the Sixers fans and Embid fans,
Speaker 1: because I had a lot of them complaining at me
Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours after our video yesterday.
Speaker 1: Do I hate the foul grifting? Yeah, I fucking despise it.
Speaker 1: It's but I don't blame Joel for that. I blame
Speaker 1: the league. And he's still been by far the best
Speaker 1: regular season player in the league this year. I've had
Speaker 1: him number one in my MVP list both weeks. I'm
Speaker 1: a huge believer in what Embiid is capable of. Everything
Speaker 1: about his foulgrifting is a take about the NBA. It
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Joel Embiid, all right, Moving
Speaker 1: on to the mail bag. Got a bunch of questions
Speaker 1: there are and be going all over the place. First question,
Speaker 1: could you see the Pelicans moving on from Zion getting
Speaker 1: some quality players to surround brandon Ingram instead? So here's
Speaker 1: the deal. It really just depends on what you can
Speaker 1: get back. Of course, you start making calls. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing like, Zion's career is not over. It looks bleak,
Speaker 1: but it's not over, and he could still get it together.
Speaker 1: And if he does get it together, he could potentially
Speaker 1: become the player that we all want him to become.
Speaker 1: So that's the risk. Like when you send out Zion,
Speaker 1: you take a risk that he ends up figuring things
Speaker 1: out right and becoming a top tier superstar. Right. So
Speaker 1: for me, it's one hundred percent about what you get back.
Speaker 1: If you can get back a significant upgrade in that
Speaker 1: front court to put alongside Herb Jones and Brandon Ingram CJ.
Speaker 1: McCollum and Jonas Valanciunis, then by all means you look
Speaker 1: into it, but it just it just one hundred percent
Speaker 1: depends on what you can get back, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like like even if you look at a
Speaker 1: guy like Lori Markinen, for instance, I look at it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, is Lori good enough to make
Speaker 1: the Pelicans a championship contender? Like I don't know. So
Speaker 1: it's like I'm not even sure if that's enough. So
Speaker 1: at this point, I just think I think the right
Speaker 1: decision is to just kind of hang tight on Zion
Speaker 1: for a little bit, but yeah, if we're still here
Speaker 1: about a year from now, then then it becomes something
Speaker 1: that's a little more urgent. Next question from Eric. As
Speaker 1: of today, the Chicago Bulls have won seven of their
Speaker 1: last eleven games. What has been the biggest factor of
Speaker 1: their recent success. Additionally, can you give me a quick
Speaker 1: analysis of Kobe White and talk about what he's been
Speaker 1: working with what has been working with his game. This
Speaker 1: is my third NBA season watching you cover the league.
Speaker 1: Best NBA show out there by far. Thank you, Eric,
Speaker 1: and I sincerely appreciate you supporting this show. So, first
Speaker 1: of all, the Bowls are actually eight and three in
Speaker 1: their last eleven games. The short answer is they're defending
Speaker 1: and rebounding really well. Their sixth in defensive rating over
Speaker 1: the span and third in rebounding percentage, getting really good
Speaker 1: point of attack defense from guys like Aaya to Soon Moon,
Speaker 1: Alex Caruso, Demartin Rosen has kind of started to get
Speaker 1: it together after getting off to a rough start to
Speaker 1: the season. And then yeah, Kobe White's just he's popping
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven and seven over this eleven game span.
Speaker 1: He is shooting fifty percent from the field, forty seven
Speaker 1: percent from three and eighty three percent from the line
Speaker 1: over that span, and it's really just a classic combination
Speaker 1: of downhill speed mixed with the in between shot making piece,
Speaker 1: specifically the pull up two point shot and the pull
Speaker 1: up three point shot. We talk a lot about this
Speaker 1: concept of like defending on your heels versus defending on
Speaker 1: your toes, and like, if you're a pull up shooter
Speaker 1: that has no threat to beat a guy off the dribble,
Speaker 1: he can press up and take the shot away. If
Speaker 1: you're a driving threat with no threat to knock down
Speaker 1: the pull up jump shot, I can play back and
Speaker 1: I can try to bait you into pull up jump shots.
Speaker 1: Kobe White four point three restricted area attempts per game
Speaker 1: over his last eleven games, shooting sixty two percent. That's
Speaker 1: like really really good for a guard. And then he's
Speaker 1: sixteen for thirty two on pull up threes over that span.
Speaker 1: That's over that's fifty percent, and then twelve for twenty
Speaker 1: six on pull up twos, which is in the mid forties.
Speaker 1: So it's just he's just making all of his pull
Speaker 1: ups or making his pull up jump shots at a
Speaker 1: really high rate, and he's finishing at the rim really well,
Speaker 1: which is just gonna make you really really tough to guard.
Speaker 1: And then he's passing really well in pick and roll.
Speaker 1: He's got good role chemistry with Nikola Vucevic. He's got
Speaker 1: this like one arm skip pass. He's like he's got
Speaker 1: the size and the ability to pal him the basketball
Speaker 1: so he can pick up the dribble and rifle that
Speaker 1: one arm pass across the court to the corner when
Speaker 1: they tag the roller. He's just playing really, really well.
Speaker 1: He honestly reminds me this recent stretch. He reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of Devin Booker in some of his
Speaker 1: like versatile perimeter shot creation. The jump shot doesn't look
Speaker 1: like Devin Booker. It actually looks a little bit more
Speaker 1: like Anthony Segnman's in the sense that the release point
Speaker 1: is a little more compact and he's like more of
Speaker 1: like a quick pop release versus Devin's got a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a drawn out release. But he's he's
Speaker 1: hooping and the Bulls are hooping. There. They you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of impressive wins over their last eleven as well,
Speaker 1: going into Philly and beating the Sixers, go like beating
Speaker 1: the Lakers the other Night Bulls are playing some good basketball.
Speaker 1: Next question, Hi Jason, thanks for your videos as always,
Speaker 1: with how well Jalen Brunson has been playing along with
Speaker 1: last year's playoffs, do you think he has shown us
Speaker 1: an to put him into that tier of players who
Speaker 1: can be the best player on a championship team. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's impossible, but it's definitely a long shot.
Speaker 1: To me. What that means is you have to be
Speaker 1: really good at every other position. That's what I've talked about,
Speaker 1: Like you, if you can somehow get a really good
Speaker 1: three to slot between Barrett Randall and then Mitchell Robinson
Speaker 1: comes back next year, I'm looking at that and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe Jalen Brunson is not one of the top fifteen
Speaker 1: players in the league. But if I have him and
Speaker 1: you know, Julius Randall playing at the level he's been
Speaker 1: playing in the last month, and let's let let's just
Speaker 1: throw Let's say it's you know, Dorny and Finney Smith
Speaker 1: like a guy that can guard on the perimeter in
Speaker 1: is like a really good He's shooting over forty percent
Speaker 1: from three this year, and then now RJ. Barrett is
Speaker 1: like your point of attack guy. In the backcourt next
Speaker 1: to Brunson, And I've got two really good point of
Speaker 1: attack guys Mitchell Robinson, who was a really good playoff
Speaker 1: player for the Knicks last year. Randall is like your
Speaker 1: Matt Attacker Brunson. Again, you wouldn't put them as a
Speaker 1: championship favorite, but you'd give them a puncher's chance. They
Speaker 1: were really really well rounded there. But again, like the
Speaker 1: you know, it's complicated because when people have this conversation like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is he good enough to be the best player on
Speaker 1: a championship team? Really in terms of the guys that
Speaker 1: it's like, if I have this guy, have a good
Speaker 1: chance to win. There's like a few of them in
Speaker 1: the entire league. So I don't think it's a shame
Speaker 1: to not have one of those guys. And if anything,
Speaker 1: that's why you don't do something stupid like go after
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell. If you're gonna make it all in trade,
Speaker 1: it needs to be for one of those guys. And
Speaker 1: until then, right now, it's better to make more like
Speaker 1: use of your assets in a smaller scale just to
Speaker 1: kind of keep this team relevant and do the best
Speaker 1: you can while maintaining your flexibility to make a move
Speaker 1: down the line, Hi, Jason, with how good Tyler Harrow
Speaker 1: has been playing as of late, do you think Miami
Speaker 1: should stick with the group they have and make a
Speaker 1: run or is there something else you would need to
Speaker 1: compete with the top teams in the East this year
Speaker 1: as good as Tyler Harrow has been playing, that specific archetype,
Speaker 1: that like kind of skinny perimeter shot creator that can
Speaker 1: tend to struggle in the physicality the playoffs, not the
Speaker 1: guy that I'd be looking at there. They I still
Speaker 1: think that the Heat should be making a move for
Speaker 1: a backcourt score. They're the kind of team that should
Speaker 1: be aggressively going after someone like Donovan Mitchell. Again, like,
Speaker 1: do not if you're a Heat fan. Here's what you
Speaker 1: can't afford to once again via Jimmy and Bam and
Speaker 1: Eric Spolstra, out execute and out smart teams and find
Speaker 1: yourself in the conference finals and just be out gunned again.
Speaker 1: It just can't happen anymore. You gotta get them real
Speaker 1: firepower in the backcourt. Next question, Hey, Jason, Laurie, marketing,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is extremely underrated in a league with
Speaker 1: lots of guards who also who play ISO. Laurie has
Speaker 1: very valuable off ball skills with a reasonable contract. If
Speaker 1: you went to the Kings, where would that put them
Speaker 1: in your contenders list? Man, he'd be great with the Kings.
Speaker 1: I love the the emphasis on the off ball scoring piece.
Speaker 1: What's so valuable about off ball scoring is it doesn't
Speaker 1: disrupt rhythm for any of the other players on the floor.
Speaker 1: So we talk about this a lot with Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, the ability to be such
Speaker 1: a threat off the ball actually just makes things easier
Speaker 1: for everybody because they gain rhythm by operating in more
Speaker 1: space with the ball in their hands. Right, And like
Speaker 1: when you look at a team, like, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of the two teams that I look at for
Speaker 1: LORI markin in that would make it, that would make
Speaker 1: them contenders are the Kings in the Thunder the Pacers.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say they'd be a contender, but they'd
Speaker 1: certainly become way more interesting. But these are all teams
Speaker 1: that are a little small on that front line that
Speaker 1: need a big four to put next to their center.
Speaker 1: In this case, Harrison Barnes is too small for that position.
Speaker 1: Now with play finishing, think of it pretty basically like
Speaker 1: this if I all these openings occur when I'm an
Speaker 1: on ball shot creator, right, So, for instance, like if
Speaker 1: I'm looking to be aggressive, there are guys digging down
Speaker 1: off the weak side. If I'm a really good pick
Speaker 1: and role player, I'm gonna like get a guy tagging
Speaker 1: the roller in a lot of cases or defending the
Speaker 1: action three on two. What you end up getting is
Speaker 1: a lot of these advantage situations on the backside. And
Speaker 1: like a lot of times you kick it out to
Speaker 1: a guy and like he's either like good at shooting
Speaker 1: but can't put the ball on the floor, or put
Speaker 1: the ball on the floor but can't shoot, or or
Speaker 1: like maybe he's a ball stopper and he's too slow
Speaker 1: to make decisions, or like just bad in general attacking
Speaker 1: closeouts and making reads like whatever. The situation is. That
Speaker 1: limitation can bog down an offense. Even if you're upfront.
Speaker 1: Guys are your play initiators are doing a great job,
Speaker 1: and so having a guy like LORI markin in that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you dug down and I made the kickout pass, He's
Speaker 1: gonna make it like forty five percent of the time
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, or like chase him off the line,
Speaker 1: he's capable of high level clothes out attacking and like
Speaker 1: really squeezing points out of those types of situations. So
Speaker 1: most most importantly, like I talk about the low man
Speaker 1: responsibilities in terms of defensive rebounding and help side, and
Speaker 1: like just having a much bigger, stronger athlete in that
Speaker 1: position could go a long way towards fortifying any defense
Speaker 1: as well, especially in an off ball role like that.
Speaker 1: So again, the Kings are a great example of a
Speaker 1: team that should be looking at him. Again, the Thunder
Speaker 1: as well. And with those two teams in particular, because
Speaker 1: Dearon Fox is playing at a superstar level this year,
Speaker 1: because Malik Monk has proven himself as a playoff shot creator,
Speaker 1: because of what Shay Gilders Alexander can do, and what
Speaker 1: Jalen Williams has been accomplishing, those teams have the top
Speaker 1: end potential to where Lourie market and would be slotted
Speaker 1: properly as a play finisher where he would be most impactful.
Speaker 1: Next question, what do you think about a Lakers trade
Speaker 1: concerning D'Angelo Russell and Jackson Hayes for Alex Crusoe and
Speaker 1: Andre Drummond another contract filler as well, as Ruy Hachimura
Speaker 1: to the nets for Dorian Finney Smith. Hypothetically, what would
Speaker 1: be the ceiling for the Lakers if they did this?
Speaker 1: Thank you? So this is an example of what I
Speaker 1: would consider to be a slam dunk, home run touchdown,
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you want to call it, Like perfect
Speaker 1: trade deadline for the Lakers. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: say that is I've been preaching this all season. Austin's
Speaker 1: your one, Lebron's your four, ads your five, and you
Speaker 1: need upgrades at the two and three, and you need
Speaker 1: a playoff playable backup center. Christian Wood and Jackson as
Speaker 1: have both had moments this year, but I don't think
Speaker 1: either of them looks like a guy that could hold
Speaker 1: down a playoff unit. So what you're pitching to me
Speaker 1: is Alex Cruso, big upgrade at the two, Dorian Finney Smith,
Speaker 1: big upgrade at the three, Andre Drummond, big upgrade at
Speaker 1: the backup center. So like, yeah, that'd be great. The
Speaker 1: problem is is, like to get Chicago to do a
Speaker 1: deal like that, you'd have to at least add one
Speaker 1: first round pick, and there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: suitors for Alex Cruso and So I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: that's super realistic, but if that could, if that did
Speaker 1: go down, it would be a home run for the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Next question, after watching Carson breakdown Laurie Markinen's game, I
Speaker 1: believe he'd be the perfect trade for the Warriors. With
Speaker 1: Steph's gravity and Laurie's ability to cut, reposition, screen, and
Speaker 1: mismatch Hunt, I think he's the perfect fit to the
Speaker 1: Golden State offense. As GM of the Warriors, what would
Speaker 1: you be willing to trade for that perfect complimentary piece
Speaker 1: to Stef's game? And as the GM of the Jazz
Speaker 1: what would you be asking for for Lourie? So I
Speaker 1: would agree that Louri Markinen is the cleanest and most
Speaker 1: obvious fit for the Warriors front line. Obviously, he's not
Speaker 1: as good defensively as a guy like Pascal Siakam, but
Speaker 1: I think in terms of overall fit, he'd be a
Speaker 1: better offensive weapon for the Warriors. Here's the problem. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be the most sought after piece at this deadline,
Speaker 1: him and Donovan Mitchell probably if either are even gonna
Speaker 1: be made available for trade, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like the reason why I've been talking about Pascal Siakam
Speaker 1: is because I find him achievable, He's on an expiring contract.
Speaker 1: It just feels like a certainty that Toronto will trade him.
Speaker 1: In general, I think, especially if and Donovan Mitchell hit
Speaker 1: the market, all of the big suitors are gonna be
Speaker 1: going after those guys, which might open up a window
Speaker 1: for a team like Golden State to slide in and
Speaker 1: get Pascal Siakam. Right now, the question is how could
Speaker 1: you get Lori. It's pretty simple. You would need a
Speaker 1: team like Utah to put a whole lot of value
Speaker 1: on Jonathan Kaminga. And again, I really like Jonathan Kaminga.
Speaker 1: I'm just not sure if that's enough. And like, what
Speaker 1: if it gets tricky and they're like, oh, we want Moses,
Speaker 1: Oh we want Jonathan Kaminga and Brandon Pazamski or something
Speaker 1: like that, then it because it becomes a little more
Speaker 1: tricky because Pazamski has been so important to them over
Speaker 1: the course of the last couple of weeks, and you
Speaker 1: would need the salary filler of Chris Paul and you're
Speaker 1: ditching two guards in that situation, right. So it's not
Speaker 1: so much whether or not Lori is the best fit,
Speaker 1: because I believe he is. It's more just price. To me,
Speaker 1: I've been targeting Siakam because I see him as the
Speaker 1: most achievable option for the for the Warriors at this deadline.
Speaker 1: Next question, I'm a Warriors fan and I want to
Speaker 1: know if Pascal is really the answer in a trade.
Speaker 1: He isn't a great three point shooter, and I fear
Speaker 1: it will lead to spacing issues. What does Pascal offer
Speaker 1: to the team to negate that issue with someone like
Speaker 1: the Lakers? Do the exact same strategy with Raymond and
Speaker 1: piscal and the floor? Would it be different? Thanks Jason,
Speaker 1: I love watching her show. Keep up the good work.
Speaker 1: So this is the thing. Specifically with the Warriors. I
Speaker 1: don't find three point shooting is as important. Obviously, a
Speaker 1: three point shot would go a long way with someone
Speaker 1: like Siakam, as Sam's fonti Ari and our show put
Speaker 1: so well. The other day, he talked about how like
Speaker 1: hey like, if Siakam was a reliable three point shooter,
Speaker 1: he'd be like Kevin Durant light and the reason why
Speaker 1: he says that is because Pascal Siakam is an excellent
Speaker 1: off ball defender. He's an excellent, excellent on ball defender.
Speaker 1: He's an excellent shot creator in just about every way
Speaker 1: aside from his consistency from the perimeter. And this is
Speaker 1: where I point to a guy like Andrea Guidala. How
Speaker 1: is it that the Warriors were able to succeed all
Speaker 1: those years with Andrea Guadala on the floor alongside Draymond Green.
Speaker 1: And a big part of it was, first of all,
Speaker 1: Igudala was getting such high quality shots and he had
Speaker 1: so much big game experience he was comfortable taking them.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I actually do think Siakam would
Speaker 1: shoot well for the Warriors, just based on the quality
Speaker 1: of the shots he would get, just him being confident
Speaker 1: and comfortable in that situation two inverted spacing when you've
Speaker 1: got Steph Curry and Klay Thompson chasing a running around
Speaker 1: on the perimeter, and guys having to show over the
Speaker 1: top of screens, like a big part of it would
Speaker 1: be you'd need Wiggins to regain his form. But I
Speaker 1: actually do think Wiggins will get right at some point
Speaker 1: this season, especially if they trade Kaminga and open up
Speaker 1: his rotation minutes more. But what I look at it
Speaker 1: as is you're gonna get a lot of one four
Speaker 1: on threes. In those four on threes, it's actually more
Speaker 1: important to have guys that are athletes that can cut
Speaker 1: along the baseline and that are good at dribble shooting
Speaker 1: and passing to quickly capitalize on that advantage situation. Then
Speaker 1: the second piece of it is the two man game.
Speaker 1: Was Steph not since KD If they had a guy
Speaker 1: that they can really run two man game with Steph
Speaker 1: in terms of like getting switches and attacking matchups, and
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam has been one of the best post up
Speaker 1: players in the league this year, and so having the
Speaker 1: ability to get Steph's defenders switched on to him and
Speaker 1: take him onto the block, I just think all the
Speaker 1: other offensive benefits will greatly outweigh any sort of shooting
Speaker 1: inconsistency from Siakam. Hey, Jason, I have a mailbad question
Speaker 1: for you. What do you think about a ruie for
Speaker 1: Buddy Heeald trade helps both teams tremendously and fills a
Speaker 1: need each team needs desperately. I know it's not going
Speaker 1: to solve all of Indy's problems, but it definitely can help.
Speaker 1: As for the Lakers, they're giving up a better player.
Speaker 1: But as you've said in previous shows there's a logjam
Speaker 1: at Rui's position since Lebron and him have a similar archetype.
Speaker 1: Maybe Indy could include a pick or some other assets
Speaker 1: or players. Just wondering what you think about it. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I agree with you from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of fit that if you traded both guys for each other,
Speaker 1: it would make both teams better. Because one, Ruey's a
Speaker 1: big upgrade over I'm blanking on his name now, the
Speaker 1: power forward for the Obi top and excuse me for
Speaker 1: the I'm terrible with names in general. But as an
Speaker 1: upgrade on Obi top and at the forward position, bigger,
Speaker 1: stronger player, better help defender, you know, just a better player.
Speaker 1: And Buddy Healed as an off ball shooter is just
Speaker 1: a better fit in a starting lineup alongside a guy
Speaker 1: like Lebron James and Anthony Davis than a guy like
Speaker 1: you know, D'Angelo Russell in a two spot next to
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves or something like that. Right, here's the problem,
Speaker 1: like two things. One, it would be a poor use
Speaker 1: of Ruiy as an asset because Rui's just a better
Speaker 1: asset than Buddy, and you just should be targeting higher
Speaker 1: level players. Two, Buddy is another skill guard, and we've
Speaker 1: already seen with the Lakers what it looks like when
Speaker 1: you have Austin Reeves next to another skill guard or
Speaker 1: Dangelo Russell next to another skill guard. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's not so much that I don't think it would
Speaker 1: help either team, because of course it would. It just
Speaker 1: would be a poor use of the asset for the
Speaker 1: Lakers and they should be targeting an athlete for that
Speaker 1: position instead. All right, last question, Jason mailback question. I'm
Speaker 1: going to keep trying to get one in there. I'm
Speaker 1: a Nuggets fan, and it seems like the Nuggets are
Speaker 1: just kind of mid right now. Murray has been typical
Speaker 1: regular season Murray, injuries, in up and down play. Jokics
Speaker 1: doesn't seem very focused and has been a bit up
Speaker 1: and down rather than consistently dominant. Haven't seen that from
Speaker 1: him since twenty nineteen. I know you were talking about
Speaker 1: Yokic's jump shot, but do you think there's something else
Speaker 1: going on? Are they satisfied with winning the chip and
Speaker 1: not putting in the effort they should. Is there maybe
Speaker 1: some locker room stuff or personal stuff going on that
Speaker 1: you've heard whispers about. I genuinely think once the playoffs
Speaker 1: come around, will be fine. But I'm starting to get
Speaker 1: a bit worried. If you were a Nuggets fan, would
Speaker 1: you be worried? Thoughts, I am completely, utterly not worried
Speaker 1: about the Nuggets. I still think they are by far
Speaker 1: the safest bet to win the title this year, by
Speaker 1: far as the stretch, but I think they're clearly and
Speaker 1: discernibly the safest bet to win the title this year.
Speaker 1: The stretch actually reminds me a lot of the stretch
Speaker 1: they had before the playoffs last year. You know, this
Speaker 1: is a team that like knows they're capable of reaching
Speaker 1: a certain ceiling, and they've demonstrated ability to ramp up
Speaker 1: when they get to the postseason. The only thing I'd
Speaker 1: be worried about with Denver that would take them off
Speaker 1: of my number one spot in my Contenders is a
Speaker 1: season ending injury to one of their core five guys,
Speaker 1: Like if Jamal Murray gets hurt, Kntavio's Cabopop gets hurt,
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Junior gets hurt, or Aaron Gordon gets hurt,
Speaker 1: any one of them, I would drop them from that
Speaker 1: number one spot because I do think the downgrade to
Speaker 1: the next option is just a huge downgrade for any
Speaker 1: single one of those positions. But if they're healthy and
Speaker 1: when they get they could be you know, forty five
Speaker 1: and thirty seven and be the five seed in the West,
Speaker 1: and I'd pick them to win the league. Like It's
Speaker 1: just what I would do, because that's how much I
Speaker 1: trust their defense and in general, I would imagine that
Speaker 1: they're the ebb and flow of the standings. If they
Speaker 1: ever get two point where they lose too many games,
Speaker 1: they'll lock back in and they'll get back to winning.
Speaker 1: I'm just entirely not worried about it. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: that's all I have for this weekend. We will be
Speaker 1: back on Monday for two Christmas Day instant reactions. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go after the Warriors game and after the Lakers
Speaker 1: game to live videos on YouTube. Then Tuesday we're gonna
Speaker 1: break down the rest of the Christmas Day games, and
Speaker 1: then Wednesday, we've got Yovann Bujac coming on the show
Speaker 1: for our Laker Deep dive that we do every two
Speaker 1: weeks or so. So I appreciate you guys for supporting
Speaker 1: the show. I hope you all have a great weekend.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the holiday and you get to
Speaker 1: spend some time with your families. I'm very very thankful
Speaker 1: for you guys, and I look forward to seeing you
Speaker 1: all on Monday. The Volume