WEBVTT - Pluribus | Episode 3: "The Grenade" 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.320 Warning, today's episode can date spoilers for Plurists episode three. 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:04.600 They're Grenade. Be warned. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.760 Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and on Merseay Night 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:25.160 and welcome back to extra. 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:26.960 Visions of podcast. Will be divetue to your favorite shows. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.600 Move becomes pot culture call we ye our prodcucts. We're 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.320 ready three episodes weekday. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:37.199 In today's episode, it's Pluribus episode three, we will be 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.839 recapping it and then bringing Ian in to join. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.319 The combo and a quick production note. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.040 Guys, remember this holiday season we are sharing some stocking 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.720 stuffer episodes. 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We open somewhere very very 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:06.480 very cold. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:08.039 It is. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.559 In the past years in the past, two thousand, six 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.280 hundred and seventeen days in the past to be to 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:21.160 be exact seven years, thank you, seven years before the 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.720 outbreak in one of those ice hotels like in Norway 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:29.080 or Scandinavia, somewhere Caroly and Helen are checking in being 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.240 shown to their room, the Koi suite. It is, of course, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:37.119 very fucking cold. Carol is looking very suspiciously at all 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:42.160 of this and is clearly not sold on the idea 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:48.680 the experience, the whole thing. Helen is couldn't be more enthused. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.040 Is really really blown away, And you know, look at 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.760 the ice sculptures, aren't they Maybe the ice sculptures. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:55.280 Were really quite striking. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:56.480 It was very beautiful, and. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.840 You know, as the scene goes on, it's very clear 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:03.120 like Carol hates this or is most of the way 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.640 to fully hating, while Helen is like, this is so cool, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.720 this is awesome, Like can't you just chill out, Helen. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.519 We learn talk to someone named Val, who we don't 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.600 know who she is yet, and learned from Val probably 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.280 their publicist or their book editor or you know whoever 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:22.239 their direct connection is with the publisher that Carol's latest 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.280 book is on the bestseller list. It's on the New 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.720 York Times bestseller list. Where on the list Carol wants, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.240 specifically where top twenty? Well, is it closer to twenty 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:32.720 or is. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.000 It like more like eleven? 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.680 And Helen doesn't want to specify, but stresses to Carol, like, listen, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.960 you're a bestseller. You can credibly say I'm a best 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:42.720 selling author. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:44.079 Enjoy that. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.800 Don't worry about where specifically, look at the northern lights 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.880 through this ice skylight and just enjoy it. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.480 Very clear from this that Carol cannot enjoy anything, and 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.920 even before I mean this is to show us like 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.280 she is always she even when she was with someone 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.720 she loved, she struggled to enjoy it. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.560 We'll talk about that more later, because I think that 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.240 that this scene shows an acknowledgment of something about Carol 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.560 that m hm. Very clearly Vince Gilligan and the creators 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.320 and the people writing the show understand. And I'm interested. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.400 It's interested to see the balance they strike me. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:24.480 Yeah, I agree. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.560 In the present day post hive mind, Carol is flying 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.799 somewhere with Zosha. Zosha wonders, well, why don't you want 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.320 to stay in first class? We got the whole plane. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.680 Carol is, of course, sat at the back, next to 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.640 the toilet, in the worst seat on the plane. Carol 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.520 decides the best way to spend this time is to 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.800 grill Zosha on all the non English speaking individuals who 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.440 are immune to the virus that she has not yet met. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.720 Carol is interested, are they like, is any of them 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:55.400 doctors or scientists? And then there's the guy from Paraguay, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.360 who I feel like is gonna definitely be a massive 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.840 part of this story, yes, who they just didn't know 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.240 about for thirty six hours and will not pick up 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.680 the phone and is not at any point been in 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:06.760 contact with the hive mine. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.800 So she's like, this seems like we should just try him. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.400 Obviously, Carol decides she's gonna do that, and she's like, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.920 fuck it, and Zosha says, j you want us to 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.960 translate you? Nope, She's fine, calls up. Carol speaks bad Spanish, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.400 she calls her hor and hangs up. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.200 She calls back and. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.560 Is like, fuck your mum, asshole and setting up a 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:26.680 great friendship there. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:27.080 Clearly. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.040 Carolyn goes to the bathroom tied out. I really did 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.080 like this scene. I felt like this is one of 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.240 the strongest scenes in the episode because the episode is 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.200 all about this vast space that she is now inhabiting 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.120 as like one of the only people. Because we don't 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.600 really know where other people are unless they are there. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.080 What theyreserve Carol doing like ups is working if Carol 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.000 needs it, or the airplane is working if Carol needs it. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.440 But anyone can do those jobs, so we don't know 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.000 where most people are. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.560 So I love this scene where she's just trying to 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.680 be in the smallest space possible. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.640 Away from them. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.120 Eventually, you know, Soosha drops her back at the house, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.640 so she gives her her mail. There is a box 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.800 and there is a bill with Helen's name on it, 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.280 again telling us more about this obviously incredibly close relationship. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.480 And finally she opens the box and it is a 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:19.320 parra gun. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.640 Carol calls Zosha regarding the box, and I was like, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.800 what's up with this box? What's up with the thera gun? 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:32.479 And this the theragun is from a conversation that she 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.840 had with Helen before the end of tour, basically saying, oh, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.440 I love that thing, and you know. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:38.480 They tried it out and like it. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.000 They tried it out, Yeah, but Helen didn't get a 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.520 chance to order it for her and had intended to. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.520 And so now the hive mind has done it for Helen, 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.880 who is part of them, right. Carol flips out but 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.720 manages to keep it you know, below the level of 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.720 fritzing out the entire hive mind. And she's like, listen, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:02.880 I order you delete everything you know about Helen. Don't 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:08.800 stop using Helen's thoughts and memories to do anything for me. 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:09.400 I don't want that. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.000 She takes a bunch of pills. She's watching The Golden 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.799 Girls when the doorbell rings and it's a room service 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:20.559 platter brought by the hive mind. Carol is mad about it, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.919 feeling like she does want to be infantalized by this 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:23.800 highlind Right. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.760 She calls Zosha A Zosha says, do you recognize it? 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.160 It's like the same meal that you guys had at 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.000 this bed and breakfast in Provincetown from a specific memory 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.719 of you and Helen on vacation in Provincetown. And again 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.839 Carol's upset. It is like, didn't I tell you to 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.160 stop using Helen's memories? Did I tell you that? And 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.480 she's like, listen, leave me alone, and then. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:46.520 She throws up the room service. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.480 We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.240 right back as we continue. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.000 To cover her purpose. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:02.880 And we're back. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.520 So now Helen needs dinner because she threw out the 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.040 room service. So she goes to Sprouts, but the place 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.360 is like stripped, totally gone, stripped. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.160 Bear everything's there that needs to be there to run 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.320 a Sprouts, but there are no products products they want, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.280 no fruit, no produce, nothing. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.080 So she calls Zosha's like, Zosh, what the fuck is 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:26.640 up at this? And she said, well, you know, like 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:31.960 obviously the world runs differently now, right, and so we've 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:37.760 kind of centralized our food supplies for more efficient distribution 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.040 across the country. And Carol's like, well, fuck that shit. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.840 Open my fucking sprouts, man, open it up. Like when 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:47.600 should I come back in two days or like a day. 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.440 She's in the store making this call on the landline. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.320 It's like, so when should I come back, like next week? 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:52.800 Two days? 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:52.880 What? 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:54.680 And Soosha's like, no, no, no, we're coming now. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:59.760 She goes outside and the trucks are pulling up right then. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:04.480 Mm hmmm, crazy stuff And we see the whole store 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.600 go from empty to set up in about twenty minutes. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.800 Then Carol goes shopping and returns time to watch Golden Girls. 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.520 I do have to make quick just brief commentary here, guys. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.000 I would never be upset about people giving me free groceries. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:18.400 I think she's too upset about it. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.880 I'm like, if I could have my own sprouts and 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.920 they set it up for twenty minutes, I would at 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.440 least have a tiny wonder in my eye. And I 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.080 do think this is an issue that we are going 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.880 to have going on with this show unless we learn 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.120 some more about Carol, and we'll talk about that more. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.040 But yees specifically, like this is actually miraculous. It's not good. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:35.880 It's still creepy. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.000 They're doing it because they're a high mind, but like, 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.600 who doesn't want free food? It's inflation, guys. She doesn't 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.439 look like she's been doing great, Like I feel like 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.280 she would be a little bit more excited about being 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.240 able to eat. But yeah, she goes home, watches Golden 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.360 Girls with her many groceries, and then her lights go out, 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.480 and this is very interesting because she looks outside and 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.760 then all the other lights are out. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.679 Then her lights go back on, but it's just lights. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.800 And you're starting to get more of a feeling now 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.880 that they need the electricity for something, like what is 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:09.320 their plan? 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.360 It seems like maybe they want our resources. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.000 Zosia calls anyway, before we can get too into our 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.400 theories or Carol can and she's like, hey, it was 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:16.800 a mistake. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.880 Turned off your lights. The conservation. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.600 Everyone's lights will be on in like a staggered pattern, 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.000 except for yours. Your power will be on whenever you 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:29.160 want it. And is there anything that can make you happy? 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.080 Like what can we do? That's all we care about. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.960 And Carol has a simple answer, because she's an angry woman. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.120 She says, a hand grenade. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.920 Okay, she's drink or drink or drink, you take your pills, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.560 puts golden girls back on, and of course thinks there 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:41.760 will never be a hand grenade. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:42.400 She was being. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.840 Sarcasticck Sosha's car pulls up and she's got the grenade. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.160 She brought it, even though she was like we well, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:51.760 we weren't sure if you were serious, but you did 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.000 ask for us, so we brought it. So Carol invites 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.440 Soshian for a drink and she wants to know, like, okay, 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.000 like if you get drunk the hive mind get drunk, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.000 how does that work? AND's like no, no, no, don't worry 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.360 about that. Carol by bye, by the way, at this 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:11.640 point is surely blasted. She's been throwing them back for pails. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.240 She's crossed. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:15.360 It's not good. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.120 And Zosha's like dropping crazy fun facts like a vodka 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.480 and spirits, like did you know vodka is actually a 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:24.760 shortened version for. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:32.760 The word for water in She's just dropping crazy, crazy, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.760 crazy cool. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.880 Wikipedia friend to have Zosia and the like I get it. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.960 So Carol wants to know how long she's got before 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.480 the hive mind figures out how to assimilate her, and 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.800 she's like, well, it could be could be as short 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.840 as weeks, and could be as long as many months. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:52.680 You know, we don't. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.400 Yeah, we're working. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.280 On it around the clock, but clearly they're stumped. And 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.240 Carol's like, yeah, but I don't want to be part 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.280 of the hive mind, Like can't we just get that 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:04.000 through our heads? 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.280 Like I don't want it, And so. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.520 She's like, listen, I feel really bad about that, and 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:12.560 I acknowledge your resistance and you're the fact that you 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.640 object to this, but we do have a biological imperative, 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.600 like we actually genetically can't not. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.200 Do that's what we do, you know. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:27.200 So Zosha argues that Carol needs this essentially like listen, 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:31.280 you're doing terribly, like you're depressed, you're sad time you're 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.360 doing pills. You don't know how to deal with your 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.480 negative emotions, your trauma, your depression. That was the case 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.800 before all of this, and it's certainly the case even 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.840 more now. By assimilating you, we'll be saving you, like 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.400 we'll be saving you and the best parts of you 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.280 from being destroyed by the worst parts of you. Carol 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.360 is you know, of course she's like angry and drunken 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.440 on pills, and so it's hard for her to receive 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.440 this information from a hive mind. Also, like what's your 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.080 You've just mentioned you have a by illogical imperative to 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.199 assimilate me, so it's not like you're gonna be unbiased 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:08.319 about this. And she begins monologue and Carol does about 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.240 like all the places that she's experienced in her life 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.880 that you know, and she talks about the Ice Hotel 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.160 and Zosha finishes off, Oh yes, the Ice Hotel. The memory, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.400 and Carol like flips and she's like, I told you 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.120 Helen's memories off limits. Stop doing that, and she gets 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.080 really mad. She picks up the grenade, she pulls up 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.720 pin oh, and like. 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.400 This is She's like, that's oh sorry, no, no, no, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.160 It's just really funny because after she fiddles with the grenade, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.680 Zosh's like what they all wait a second, and Carol's pissed, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.640 like they gave her a fake grenade. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.000 But Carol just doesn't know how grenade works. So then 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.360 Zosha jumps up, grabs it, throws out the window. It 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.439 fucking explodes the whole front of her house. We get 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.319 very breaking bad esque scene of this kind of mansion 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.559 space in Albuquerque that's like on fire and the cars 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.680 are on fire, and Carol like wanders out and shock. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.280 Zosha tries to follow her, but we see that her 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.600 back is all fucked up from the shrapnel. I will 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.480 say Carol actually does seem like she is upset and 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:11.400 cares about this. In the moment she covers Zosha's back 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.880 she tries to stop the bleeding. It's one of the 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.880 first moments we really get her to see Carol being 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:21.680 like an emotional kind of human being with connections. Carol then, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.320 you know, finds out luckily that Zosha is fine. She 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.959 does have a concussion, which could interestingly bring some some 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.120 theories into the conversation. When we bring an ian in 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.840 a minute and via a handy delivery driver. Carol asks like, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.240 why did you give me the hand grenade? And she 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.040 is kind of shocked to learn from this conversation that 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.520 as long as she says it will make her happy, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.199 they will just give her whatever weapon she wants. They 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.520 will give her a gun, they will give her a tank, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.320 they will give her a bazuka, they will give her 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.680 whatever goes in a berzukra and has shot out a missile. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.040 She asks like, and she even asks if they will 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.880 give her a nuke, and although they don't want to 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.600 give it to her, they essentially admit that, yeah, we'll 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.560 bring you a new if you need one. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.480 Which also which you know how to even set it off? 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.680 I don't know. But basically, after what seems to be 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.319 a pretty slow. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.800 Very small in scope episode, you get this huge explosion 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.600 and then this realization from Carol that I'm guessing she 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.560 can become essentially like a warlord and just take them down. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.520 That seems like what she wants to do, but also 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.320 seems like it would be a huge jump. But I'm 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.920 interested to see where this goes once again, and an 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.200 intriguing end. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:36.160 Very intriguing. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.520 Let's take a quick break and welcome in and then 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:52.960 discuss this episode, and we are back. We're talking about 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.480 episode three of Plour of Us. Let's now bring in 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.160 super producer Ian to discuss this episode. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.400 Hello, how's it go? 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:03.880 What do you think of this episode? 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:09.360 I like the episode overall. It's not as not as 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.640 spicy as the first two episodes, but I mean, I 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.080 think by nature, the first two episodes were so insane 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.600 and fantastical, especially just setting up the whole premise that 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.240 this next episode was gonna be kind of maybe pumping 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.040 the brakes a little bit. But I think that still 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.680 had some really great moments and raise some interesting questions, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.320 like the sprout scene, that whole montage where they the 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.760 trucks come in and they restock the store and you 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.840 get to see like the peak like coordination and efficiency 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.440 of the hive mind. Like, I thought that was a 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.600 really fantastic sequence and scene. And I think the flashback 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.920 at the beginning and the Ice Hotel gives us a 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.280 little bit more insight into Carol as a person a character. Yeah, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.720 you know, she's always been like this, so there's there's 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.160 something about her that I think maybe, you know, the 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.000 reason that she might be immune may have something to 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.880 do with you know her having like this even from 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.840 the beginning. Maybe we'll learn more about that as the 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:03.440 show goes on. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:05.160 I like that. 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:06.280 I think that that's true. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.800 I would also see in something I thought was really 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.920 cool that you noted was the way that when Helen died, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:17.560 she essentially loses any connection to anyone else in her 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.200 life before the virus. I also wonder if that's part 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:20.680 of it. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.400 Right, because all the other survivors have their family members 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.800 or someone that they care about to still tether them to, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.320 you know, what life was like before the virus, and 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.080 that they obviously still care about those people they don't 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.160 want anything bad to happen to them. But Carol doesn't 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:36.240 have anyone. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.520 So they'll go along with it exactly. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.920 But she doesn't really have anything to make her think like, oh, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.040 there's there's some positive to this, you know. But I 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.800 also do think it's interesting that clearly she is starting 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.720 to form some kind of attachment to Zosha. Clearly cares 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.200 about her well being to some degree, Like when she 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.400 got her, she tried to help her and save her. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.760 She wanted her to come with her instead of going 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.000 on to Air Force One. She even invites her in 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.280 a drink with her, like you know, so she's there 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.040 is some kind of bond or connection there, So it'll 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.440 be interesting to see how that continues to develop. But yeah, 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.080 what did you guys think about the episode? 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:11.879 It raised some issues. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.840 I liked this episode, although I think there are some issues. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.040 I think for me, the cold open is interesting literally 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:24.520 cold actually physically cold open because it it it sets 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.400 up the thesis of the show in a really interesting way, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.760 which is like, okay, the everything at your fingertips, but 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:37.119 you're the our hero is like can literally can't be 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.919 happy with anything. She can't be happy on vacation with 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.919 the person she loves staring at the northern lights. She 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.200 can't be happy when she's on the bestseller list because 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:47.800 she's not number one on the best seller list. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.480 Right, nothing is going to make. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.160 Her feel as if she's worthy enough, she's good enough, 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.800 what she's doing is enough, and so of course you're 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.159 not gonna be happy with this. That said, there were 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.280 multiple times during this episode, and that happened in the 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.639 previous episodes to where I'm like, man, you're not going 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.120 to solve this shit overnight. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.960 Like chill out, you know, like have a little bit 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.280 more realism. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.920 Enjoy it a little bit like yeah, I'm not saying 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.840 you need to get a harem, you know what I yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.000 but you know, like whatever, enjoy it, like go see. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.679 Go to a spa like relax it. 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.560 Doesn't go call in one of the hive mind and 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.440 be like tell me what everything that we knew about 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.840 at UFOs, like do fun stuff? 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:35.960 You know actual. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.720 You know what conspiracies are true or not? 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:43.280 Everyone has that stuff. 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.760 People have a bat. Yeah, all of that. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.280 Stuff is at your fingertips. And again, you're not going 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:53.920 to fix the world overnight, so don't try to. And 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.840 I do wonder, if I do wonder how this show 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.439 will strike the balance of centering a character that is 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.760 kind of like unlikable, is it irascable? 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.119 Is frustrating? Is like not ever going to be be 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:09.679 happy with things? Yeah? 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.080 That was also the success of Breaking Bad, right, so 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.600 we get why he's back here again, you know, but 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.679 I definitely did have a similar feeling to Jason. I 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.800 also spoke to some friends who are just kind of, 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.240 you know, average like TV watchers, who wanted to check it, 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.560 and they liked it and they were intrigued, but even 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.359 by the second episode, they were finding Carol a little 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.760 bit hard to like to follow or root for or 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.400 kind of even understand. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.040 Like what her motives are. 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.119 You know, I'm doing a screenwriting class right now. We 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.080 talk a lot about the what, like what is her want? Like, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.880 I don't know what it is, but I'm guessing it's 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.720 going to be to destroy the high mind, very traditional, 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.600 classical sife I want. So I'm down, but I do 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.720 feel like maybe this is a bit of an extreme 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:58.560 shift for people who are not, you know, already fully 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.280