1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode can date spoilers for Plurists episode three. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 2: They're Grenade. Be warned. 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and on Merseay Night 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: and welcome back to extra. 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: Visions of podcast. Will be divetue to your favorite shows. 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Move becomes pot culture call we ye our prodcucts. We're 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: ready three episodes weekday. 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 3: In today's episode, it's Pluribus episode three, we will be 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: recapping it and then bringing Ian in to join. 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 4: The combo and a quick production note. 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: Guys, remember this holiday season we are sharing some stocking 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: stuffer episodes. With so many great shows, movies and TV 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: thinger the Jiggy's coming out these next few months. These 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: episodes will help us cover some extra content we wouldn't 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: be able to get on our normal episodes, So stay 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: tuned for our stocking stuffers starting the week Thanksgiving. 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: Okay, episode three The Grenade. We open somewhere very very 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: very cold. 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: It is. 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: In the past years in the past, two thousand, six 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen days in the past to be to 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: be exact seven years, thank you, seven years before the 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: outbreak in one of those ice hotels like in Norway 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: or Scandinavia, somewhere Caroly and Helen are checking in being 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: shown to their room, the Koi suite. It is, of course, 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: very fucking cold. Carol is looking very suspiciously at all 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: of this and is clearly not sold on the idea 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: the experience, the whole thing. Helen is couldn't be more enthused. 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: Is really really blown away, And you know, look at 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: the ice sculptures, aren't they Maybe the ice sculptures. 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: Were really quite striking. 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: It was very beautiful, and. 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: You know, as the scene goes on, it's very clear 34 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: like Carol hates this or is most of the way 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: to fully hating, while Helen is like, this is so cool, 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: this is awesome, Like can't you just chill out, Helen. 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: We learn talk to someone named Val, who we don't 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: know who she is yet, and learned from Val probably 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: their publicist or their book editor or you know whoever 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: their direct connection is with the publisher that Carol's latest 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: book is on the bestseller list. It's on the New 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: York Times bestseller list. Where on the list Carol wants, 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: specifically where top twenty? Well, is it closer to twenty 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: or is. 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: It like more like eleven? 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: And Helen doesn't want to specify, but stresses to Carol, like, listen, 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: you're a bestseller. You can credibly say I'm a best 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: selling author. 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: Enjoy that. 50 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: Don't worry about where specifically, look at the northern lights 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: through this ice skylight and just enjoy it. 52 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: Very clear from this that Carol cannot enjoy anything, and 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: even before I mean this is to show us like 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: she is always she even when she was with someone 55 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: she loved, she struggled to enjoy it. 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that more later, because I think that 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: that this scene shows an acknowledgment of something about Carol 58 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: that m hm. Very clearly Vince Gilligan and the creators 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: and the people writing the show understand. And I'm interested. 60 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: It's interested to see the balance they strike me. 61 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: In the present day post hive mind, Carol is flying 63 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: somewhere with Zosha. Zosha wonders, well, why don't you want 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: to stay in first class? We got the whole plane. 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: Carol is, of course, sat at the back, next to 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: the toilet, in the worst seat on the plane. Carol 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: decides the best way to spend this time is to 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: grill Zosha on all the non English speaking individuals who 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: are immune to the virus that she has not yet met. 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: Carol is interested, are they like, is any of them 71 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: doctors or scientists? And then there's the guy from Paraguay, 72 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: who I feel like is gonna definitely be a massive 73 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: part of this story, yes, who they just didn't know 74 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: about for thirty six hours and will not pick up 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: the phone and is not at any point been in 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: contact with the hive mine. 77 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: So she's like, this seems like we should just try him. 78 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: Obviously, Carol decides she's gonna do that, and she's like, 79 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: fuck it, and Zosha says, j you want us to 80 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: translate you? Nope, She's fine, calls up. Carol speaks bad Spanish, 81 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: she calls her hor and hangs up. 82 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: She calls back and. 83 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: Is like, fuck your mum, asshole and setting up a 84 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: great friendship there. 85 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 4: Clearly. 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 3: Carolyn goes to the bathroom tied out. I really did 87 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: like this scene. I felt like this is one of 88 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: the strongest scenes in the episode because the episode is 89 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: all about this vast space that she is now inhabiting 90 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: as like one of the only people. Because we don't 91 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: really know where other people are unless they are there. 92 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: What theyreserve Carol doing like ups is working if Carol 93 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: needs it, or the airplane is working if Carol needs it. 94 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 4: But anyone can do those jobs, so we don't know 95 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: where most people are. 96 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: So I love this scene where she's just trying to 97 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: be in the smallest space possible. 98 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: Away from them. 99 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: Eventually, you know, Soosha drops her back at the house, 100 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: so she gives her her mail. There is a box 101 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: and there is a bill with Helen's name on it, 102 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 3: again telling us more about this obviously incredibly close relationship. 103 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: And finally she opens the box and it is a 104 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: parra gun. 105 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Carol calls Zosha regarding the box, and I was like, 106 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: what's up with this box? What's up with the thera gun? 107 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: And this the theragun is from a conversation that she 108 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: had with Helen before the end of tour, basically saying, oh, 109 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: I love that thing, and you know. 110 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: They tried it out and like it. 111 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: They tried it out, Yeah, but Helen didn't get a 112 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: chance to order it for her and had intended to. 113 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: And so now the hive mind has done it for Helen, 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: who is part of them, right. Carol flips out but 115 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: manages to keep it you know, below the level of 116 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: fritzing out the entire hive mind. And she's like, listen, 117 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: I order you delete everything you know about Helen. Don't 118 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: stop using Helen's thoughts and memories to do anything for me. 119 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: I don't want that. 120 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: She takes a bunch of pills. She's watching The Golden 121 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 1: Girls when the doorbell rings and it's a room service 122 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 1: platter brought by the hive mind. Carol is mad about it, 123 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: feeling like she does want to be infantalized by this 124 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: highlind Right. 125 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: She calls Zosha A Zosha says, do you recognize it? 126 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: It's like the same meal that you guys had at 127 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: this bed and breakfast in Provincetown from a specific memory 128 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: of you and Helen on vacation in Provincetown. And again 129 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: Carol's upset. It is like, didn't I tell you to 130 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: stop using Helen's memories? Did I tell you that? And 131 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: she's like, listen, leave me alone, and then. 132 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: She throws up the room service. 133 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 134 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: right back as we continue. 135 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 4: To cover her purpose. 136 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: And we're back. 137 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: So now Helen needs dinner because she threw out the 138 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: room service. So she goes to Sprouts, but the place 139 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: is like stripped, totally gone, stripped. 140 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: Bear everything's there that needs to be there to run 141 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: a Sprouts, but there are no products products they want, 142 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: no fruit, no produce, nothing. 143 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: So she calls Zosha's like, Zosh, what the fuck is 144 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: up at this? And she said, well, you know, like 145 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: obviously the world runs differently now, right, and so we've 146 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: kind of centralized our food supplies for more efficient distribution 147 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: across the country. And Carol's like, well, fuck that shit. 148 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: Open my fucking sprouts, man, open it up. Like when 149 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: should I come back in two days or like a day. 150 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: She's in the store making this call on the landline. 151 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: It's like, so when should I come back, like next week? 152 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: Two days? 153 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 5: What? 154 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: And Soosha's like, no, no, no, we're coming now. 155 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: She goes outside and the trucks are pulling up right then. 156 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, crazy stuff And we see the whole store 157 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: go from empty to set up in about twenty minutes. 158 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: Then Carol goes shopping and returns time to watch Golden Girls. 159 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: I do have to make quick just brief commentary here, guys. 160 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: I would never be upset about people giving me free groceries. 161 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 4: I think she's too upset about it. 162 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, if I could have my own sprouts and 163 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: they set it up for twenty minutes, I would at 164 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: least have a tiny wonder in my eye. And I 165 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: do think this is an issue that we are going 166 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: to have going on with this show unless we learn 167 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: some more about Carol, and we'll talk about that more. 168 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 4: But yees specifically, like this is actually miraculous. It's not good. 169 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 4: It's still creepy. 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: They're doing it because they're a high mind, but like, 171 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: who doesn't want free food? It's inflation, guys. She doesn't 172 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 3: look like she's been doing great, Like I feel like 173 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: she would be a little bit more excited about being 174 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: able to eat. But yeah, she goes home, watches Golden 175 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: Girls with her many groceries, and then her lights go out, 176 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: and this is very interesting because she looks outside and 177 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: then all the other lights are out. 178 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 4: Then her lights go back on, but it's just lights. 179 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: And you're starting to get more of a feeling now 180 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: that they need the electricity for something, like what is 181 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: their plan? 182 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: It seems like maybe they want our resources. 183 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: Zosia calls anyway, before we can get too into our 184 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: theories or Carol can and she's like, hey, it was 185 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: a mistake. 186 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: Turned off your lights. The conservation. 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: Everyone's lights will be on in like a staggered pattern, 188 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: except for yours. Your power will be on whenever you 189 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: want it. And is there anything that can make you happy? 190 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: Like what can we do? That's all we care about. 191 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: And Carol has a simple answer, because she's an angry woman. 192 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: She says, a hand grenade. 193 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: Okay, she's drink or drink or drink, you take your pills, 194 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: puts golden girls back on, and of course thinks there 195 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: will never be a hand grenade. 196 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: She was being. 197 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: Sarcasticck Sosha's car pulls up and she's got the grenade. 198 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: She brought it, even though she was like we well, 199 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: we weren't sure if you were serious, but you did 200 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: ask for us, so we brought it. So Carol invites 201 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: Soshian for a drink and she wants to know, like, okay, 202 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: like if you get drunk the hive mind get drunk, 203 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: how does that work? AND's like no, no, no, don't worry 204 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: about that. Carol by bye, by the way, at this 205 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: point is surely blasted. She's been throwing them back for pails. 206 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: She's crossed. 207 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: It's not good. 208 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: And Zosha's like dropping crazy fun facts like a vodka 209 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: and spirits, like did you know vodka is actually a 210 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: shortened version for. 211 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: The word for water in She's just dropping crazy, crazy, 212 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: crazy cool. 213 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: Wikipedia friend to have Zosia and the like I get it. 214 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: So Carol wants to know how long she's got before 215 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: the hive mind figures out how to assimilate her, and 216 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: she's like, well, it could be could be as short 217 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: as weeks, and could be as long as many months. 218 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 4: You know, we don't. 219 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're working. 220 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: On it around the clock, but clearly they're stumped. And 221 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: Carol's like, yeah, but I don't want to be part 222 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: of the hive mind, Like can't we just get that 223 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: through our heads? 224 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: Like I don't want it, And so. 225 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: She's like, listen, I feel really bad about that, and 226 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: I acknowledge your resistance and you're the fact that you 227 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: object to this, but we do have a biological imperative, 228 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: like we actually genetically can't not. 229 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: Do that's what we do, you know. 230 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: So Zosha argues that Carol needs this essentially like listen, 231 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: you're doing terribly, like you're depressed, you're sad time you're 232 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: doing pills. You don't know how to deal with your 233 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: negative emotions, your trauma, your depression. That was the case 234 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: before all of this, and it's certainly the case even 235 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: more now. By assimilating you, we'll be saving you, like 236 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: we'll be saving you and the best parts of you 237 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: from being destroyed by the worst parts of you. Carol 238 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: is you know, of course she's like angry and drunken 239 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: on pills, and so it's hard for her to receive 240 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: this information from a hive mind. Also, like what's your 241 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: You've just mentioned you have a by illogical imperative to 242 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: assimilate me, so it's not like you're gonna be unbiased 243 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: about this. And she begins monologue and Carol does about 244 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: like all the places that she's experienced in her life 245 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: that you know, and she talks about the Ice Hotel 246 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: and Zosha finishes off, Oh yes, the Ice Hotel. The memory, 247 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: and Carol like flips and she's like, I told you 248 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: Helen's memories off limits. Stop doing that, and she gets 249 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: really mad. She picks up the grenade, she pulls up 250 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: pin oh, and like. 251 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 5: This is She's like, that's oh sorry, no, no, no, 252 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 5: It's just really funny because after she fiddles with the grenade, 253 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 5: Zosh's like what they all wait a second, and Carol's pissed, 254 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 5: like they gave her a fake grenade. 255 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: But Carol just doesn't know how grenade works. So then 256 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: Zosha jumps up, grabs it, throws out the window. It 257 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 3: fucking explodes the whole front of her house. We get 258 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 3: very breaking bad esque scene of this kind of mansion 259 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 3: space in Albuquerque that's like on fire and the cars 260 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: are on fire, and Carol like wanders out and shock. 261 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: Zosha tries to follow her, but we see that her 262 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: back is all fucked up from the shrapnel. I will 263 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: say Carol actually does seem like she is upset and 264 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: cares about this. In the moment she covers Zosha's back 265 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: she tries to stop the bleeding. It's one of the 266 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: first moments we really get her to see Carol being 267 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: like an emotional kind of human being with connections. Carol then, 268 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: you know, finds out luckily that Zosha is fine. She 269 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 3: does have a concussion, which could interestingly bring some some 270 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: theories into the conversation. When we bring an ian in 271 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: a minute and via a handy delivery driver. Carol asks like, 272 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: why did you give me the hand grenade? And she 273 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: is kind of shocked to learn from this conversation that 274 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: as long as she says it will make her happy, 275 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 3: they will just give her whatever weapon she wants. They 276 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: will give her a gun, they will give her a tank, 277 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 3: they will give her a bazuka, they will give her 278 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: whatever goes in a berzukra and has shot out a missile. 279 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: She asks like, and she even asks if they will 280 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: give her a nuke, and although they don't want to 281 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: give it to her, they essentially admit that, yeah, we'll 282 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 3: bring you a new if you need one. 283 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: Which also which you know how to even set it off? 284 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. But basically, after what seems to be 285 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 4: a pretty slow. 286 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: Very small in scope episode, you get this huge explosion 287 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: and then this realization from Carol that I'm guessing she 288 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: can become essentially like a warlord and just take them down. 289 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: That seems like what she wants to do, but also 290 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: seems like it would be a huge jump. But I'm 291 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: interested to see where this goes once again, and an 292 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: intriguing end. 293 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: Very intriguing. 294 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and welcome in and then 295 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: discuss this episode, and we are back. We're talking about 296 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: episode three of Plour of Us. Let's now bring in 297 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: super producer Ian to discuss this episode. 298 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: Hello, how's it go? 299 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: What do you think of this episode? 300 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 6: I like the episode overall. It's not as not as 301 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 6: spicy as the first two episodes, but I mean, I 302 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 6: think by nature, the first two episodes were so insane 303 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 6: and fantastical, especially just setting up the whole premise that 304 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 6: this next episode was gonna be kind of maybe pumping 305 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 6: the brakes a little bit. But I think that still 306 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 6: had some really great moments and raise some interesting questions, 307 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 6: like the sprout scene, that whole montage where they the 308 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 6: trucks come in and they restock the store and you 309 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 6: get to see like the peak like coordination and efficiency 310 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 6: of the hive mind. Like, I thought that was a 311 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 6: really fantastic sequence and scene. And I think the flashback 312 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 6: at the beginning and the Ice Hotel gives us a 313 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 6: little bit more insight into Carol as a person a character. Yeah, 314 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 6: you know, she's always been like this, so there's there's 315 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 6: something about her that I think maybe, you know, the 316 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 6: reason that she might be immune may have something to 317 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 6: do with you know her having like this even from 318 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 6: the beginning. Maybe we'll learn more about that as the 319 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 6: show goes on. 320 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: I like that. 321 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: I think that that's true. 322 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: I would also see in something I thought was really 323 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: cool that you noted was the way that when Helen died, 324 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: she essentially loses any connection to anyone else in her 325 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: life before the virus. I also wonder if that's part 326 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: of it. 327 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 6: Right, because all the other survivors have their family members 328 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 6: or someone that they care about to still tether them to, 329 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 6: you know, what life was like before the virus, and 330 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 6: that they obviously still care about those people they don't 331 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 6: want anything bad to happen to them. But Carol doesn't 332 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 6: have anyone. 333 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 4: So they'll go along with it exactly. 334 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 6: But she doesn't really have anything to make her think like, oh, 335 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 6: there's there's some positive to this, you know. But I 336 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 6: also do think it's interesting that clearly she is starting 337 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 6: to form some kind of attachment to Zosha. Clearly cares 338 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 6: about her well being to some degree, Like when she 339 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 6: got her, she tried to help her and save her. 340 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 6: She wanted her to come with her instead of going 341 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 6: on to Air Force One. She even invites her in 342 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 6: a drink with her, like you know, so she's there 343 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 6: is some kind of bond or connection there, So it'll 344 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 6: be interesting to see how that continues to develop. But yeah, 345 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 6: what did you guys think about the episode? 346 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 4: It raised some issues. 347 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: I liked this episode, although I think there are some issues. 348 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: I think for me, the cold open is interesting literally 349 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: cold actually physically cold open because it it it sets 350 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: up the thesis of the show in a really interesting way, 351 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: which is like, okay, the everything at your fingertips, but 352 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: you're the our hero is like can literally can't be 353 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: happy with anything. She can't be happy on vacation with 354 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: the person she loves staring at the northern lights. She 355 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: can't be happy when she's on the bestseller list because 356 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: she's not number one on the best seller list. 357 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: Right, nothing is going to make. 358 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: Her feel as if she's worthy enough, she's good enough, 359 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: what she's doing is enough, and so of course you're 360 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: not gonna be happy with this. That said, there were 361 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: multiple times during this episode, and that happened in the 362 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: previous episodes to where I'm like, man, you're not going 363 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: to solve this shit overnight. 364 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: Like chill out, you know, like have a little bit 365 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 4: more realism. 366 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: Enjoy it a little bit like yeah, I'm not saying 367 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: you need to get a harem, you know what I yeah, yeah, yeah, 368 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: but you know, like whatever, enjoy it, like go see. 369 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: Go to a spa like relax it. 370 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Doesn't go call in one of the hive mind and 371 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: be like tell me what everything that we knew about 372 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: at UFOs, like do fun stuff? 373 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: You know actual. 374 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: You know what conspiracies are true or not? 375 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: Everyone has that stuff. 376 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: People have a bat. Yeah, all of that. 377 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: Stuff is at your fingertips. And again, you're not going 378 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: to fix the world overnight, so don't try to. And 379 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: I do wonder, if I do wonder how this show 380 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: will strike the balance of centering a character that is 381 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: kind of like unlikable, is it irascable? 382 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: Is frustrating? Is like not ever going to be be 383 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: happy with things? Yeah? 384 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: That was also the success of Breaking Bad, right, so 385 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: we get why he's back here again, you know, but 386 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: I definitely did have a similar feeling to Jason. I 387 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: also spoke to some friends who are just kind of, 388 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: you know, average like TV watchers, who wanted to check it, 389 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: and they liked it and they were intrigued, but even 390 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: by the second episode, they were finding Carol a little 391 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: bit hard to like to follow or root for or 392 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: kind of even understand. 393 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: Like what her motives are. 394 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 3: You know, I'm doing a screenwriting class right now. We 395 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: talk a lot about the what, like what is her want? Like, 396 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but I'm guessing it's 397 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: going to be to destroy the high mind, very traditional, 398 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: classical sife I want. So I'm down, but I do 399 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: feel like maybe this is a bit of an extreme 400 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: shift for people who are not, you know, already fully 401 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: sold because it's a really quiet episode. I also don't 402 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 3: know if for me the writing is up to that 403 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 3: one hundred percent quality that I need if I'm in 404 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 3: like a bottle episode with just two people, you know, 405 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: I feel like it wasn't fully there, But I do 406 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: still I'm very interested. I want to know more about this. 407 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 3: I also did think on a rewatch this morning, I 408 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: was really feeling this notion of like this kind of 409 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 3: is about We've talked a lot about algorithms and kind 410 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: of this idea of complacency and comfort and how that 411 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: can take away your initiative or even just your enjoyment 412 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: of like you know that famous letter where it's the it's. 413 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 414 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: It's one of those iconic, you know, old guy authors 415 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: like William Burrows or someone like that, but not the 416 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: one who killed his wife, but one of those guys 417 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: I'm talking about, Like. 418 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 4: Oh, I. 419 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: Love going to buy stamps because I go out and 420 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: when I buy stamps, I meet a person who is 421 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: at the shop and I get to speak to someone 422 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: and I pick up a treat on the way home. 423 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 4: This is about how algorithms. 424 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: And the notion of like ease can take that away 425 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: from you. But I felt like this episode had a 426 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: really interesting thing to say about basically right now, what 427 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 3: Carol is dealing with is like if somebody you know 428 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: dies and then your phone is constantly serving up those 429 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: weird movies with emotional music behind them, and they're like 430 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: best summer of your life, but it's like the year 431 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: they died or something like. She's kind of living through 432 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: that experience of they're trying to please her and understand 433 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: how to connect with her emotionally, but it's just not working. 434 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty cool thematic thread through this episode. 435 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: I will also say that I felt as if, obviously 436 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: the show the themes and the kind of ideas that 437 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: this show is grappling with really interesting you know, whether it's. 438 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: AI, the way AI has. 439 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: Influenced our daily lives, the way we shop, the way 440 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: we ask questions, the kind of instant, teneous gratification of 441 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: like the Amazon economy. If I can get something right 442 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: away that whatever you want, you can get it. I'll 443 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: just can see, Yeah, I can see a movie, I 444 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: can get a product, I can watch more like whatever 445 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: it is exactly. And this was the first episode where 446 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I know it's about that, but 447 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: we know, like you're making it too obviously that it's 448 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: about that from and I will be interested to see 449 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: how they balance it. That said, now, some interesting mysteries 450 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: I think were kind of sprinkled throughout, one being this gentleman, 451 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: this Paraguay gentleman. Oh sorry, were you going to say something. 452 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 6: In yeah, just to kind of piggyback off of what 453 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 6: Rosie was saying before we move on. You know about 454 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 6: Carol being increasingly unlikable as the series goes on, which 455 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 6: I think we'll learn more about why that happens. But 456 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 6: I think going back to that sprout scene, I understand 457 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 6: her defiance of like not wanting to eat the food, 458 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 6: and she wants to shop for herself and stop making 459 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 6: dishes from my memories. Which is funny that even though 460 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 6: she's like stop thinking about Helen and her memories, they 461 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 6: still have the memories of every other person she's ever 462 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 6: interacted with, so like, oh, we know your coffee order 463 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 6: because we know the barista's memories and we remember you 464 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 6: love this breakfast and whatever. So it's like, no matter what, 465 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 6: she can't escape from it. But I feel like when 466 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 6: I was watching that Sprout scene where she was like, 467 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 6: I want my sprouts back. I just want to shop 468 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 6: for myself. I was like, low key, you're being like 469 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 6: kind of selfish, straightness. 470 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 5: Sanely selfish, and I think. 471 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 6: You're gonna have them stock this entire store for you 472 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 6: just to like buy some like frozen dinners. Because when 473 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 6: it cuts back to her eating, she just had like 474 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 6: a TV dinner. She'd even like make her food. 475 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: And to your point, it's like the food is packaged 476 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: out of your site, is harvested out of your site. 477 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: The idea that like somehow because you are making it 478 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: at home, you frosting it at home. Yeah, this guards 479 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: you from whatever virus is out there. 480 00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. 481 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Also, they she should cook the she should eat 482 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: the cook food they cook for Aaron. 483 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 4: This is one of his biggest takes away. 484 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: And I agree because like she's drinking the water at 485 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 3: any point, if they wanted to do this non consensually 486 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: to they could of and they're trying to. But like, 487 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: eating the food from them that they cook for you 488 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: is no different than eating the nasty prepackaged meal that 489 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: they could have injected food, like something into. And I 490 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: do agree with you, Ian, like why couldn't she just 491 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 3: have been like, hey, can you bring me a bag 492 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: of groceries? 493 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 4: Like I get it, aliens have taken over her whole planet. 494 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, she's a She's definitely, I think he. 495 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: I think Vince would probably loved tar Us having this 496 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: conversation because I'm sure him and Re talked consistently about 497 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: like how far can you push like an unlikable woman 498 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: on TV and. 499 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,239 Speaker 4: In a story like this. 500 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: But yeah, I definitely I need to know more. I 501 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 3: need to know the one. I need to know something. 502 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 6: If you think about it, this whole scenario is essentially 503 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 6: like her personal hell. She's already like the most like cantankerous, 504 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 6: angry person, and then she realizes, like, I can't be angry, 505 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 6: I'm gonna kill a bunch of people, So she has 506 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 6: to like keep her shit under wraps. And it's like 507 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 6: this is literally like her personal help. 508 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: I like that read. 509 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: So she's having to be unselfish in some ways, but 510 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: the selfishness is still there. I mean, yeah, she needs 511 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: to start thinking about these people, and I'm hoping she 512 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: will post the grenade with Zosha. She needs to start 513 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 3: realizing those are still human beings in like human bodies 514 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: at least, you know, whatever hive mind situation there is, 515 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: and she is essentially currently using them as servants. 516 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 4: You know, let's start there. And yeah, it's not. 517 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 6: Especially if she's trying to save them from the high mind. 518 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 6: It's like they're gonna be regular people again after that. 519 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 4: Isn't that the point? 520 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 6: Isn't that the point? So, like what. 521 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: I wonder if the art is gonna be in its 522 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: own way after this conversation, a relatively simple one, which 523 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 3: is simply like that journey of going from I want 524 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: to destroy everything to realizing like, oh maybe there's some 525 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 3: stuff I shouldn't destroy, you know, which I think for 526 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 3: angry people is a really and people have sort of 527 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: struggled with severe depression like I have, like the feeling 528 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: of hopelessness and the void and there's no one out 529 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 3: there for you. It can be changed simply by just 530 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 3: like having a nice cup of tea with your friends 531 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: and you're like, ah, life's worth living again. I wish 532 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: I fucking had left my house six months before this 533 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 3: or whatever. And I think I would love to see 534 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: her go on that journey. We don't expect Carol to 535 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 3: become like the world's nicest person, that's not the point. 536 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: But I would love to see her have some kind 537 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 3: of personal growth on this journey. 538 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: For sure. That must happen, right, because I do think 539 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: this very clearly. The show is asking you to be 540 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: critical of her, you know, it's showing you moments from 541 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: her life where she just can't be She can't She's mean. 542 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: To the people who read her books. 543 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: She's so them. 544 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 4: She doesn't respect herself. 545 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: Even like the sprouts thing is. 546 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: So Boomerish in it's like in the way that she's 547 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: clinging to this idea that she could somehow. 548 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: Isolate herself from the virus by. 549 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: And ignore all this bad stuff that's happening to other 550 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 3: people if she can keep her normal life going. 551 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 4: That's actually pretty deep. 552 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 5: So. 553 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: She must. 554 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: All of which is to say there there will be 555 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: some personal growth because there she's gonna learn how to 556 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: how to use the mechanisms of the Hive Mind in 557 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: a way that will will better allow her to fulfill 558 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: I guess some sort of vision that is to free 559 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: people from this. 560 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: I think, actually, you guys are sparking something in my 561 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: head where I think part of what we're seeing right 562 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: now is her inability to enjoy it and her inability 563 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 3: to have somebody they can bribe her with, like, oh, 564 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: your family's already here, Helen's already here. That doesn't work. 565 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: She knows she saw Helen die. It's gonna be harder 566 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 3: for them to find a way to get her to 567 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: do it. So I think that is going to also 568 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: be like the growth is by the end, does she 569 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: have someone in her life that she would be willing 570 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: to join the Hive Mind four, which gives out even 571 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 3: more reason to fight for them to do. 572 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 2: I think there's also. 573 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: There's an interesting thing here of it's not the show 574 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: is not inviting you to ask Carol to surrender, but 575 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: it's also for me asking you to wonder if, like 576 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: what odds, at what odds are a battle worth fighting? 577 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Like the entire world is this way? Okay, you don't 578 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: like it, it's wrong on probably several different levels. But everybody, 579 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: literally everybody who is alive, is part of this and 580 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: agrees with what's going on. So do you care about 581 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: their opinion or do you care about yours? How much 582 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: can you change a world that you don't agree with? 583 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: And how much should you try and change a world 584 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: that you don't agree with? I think all those things 585 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: are really interesting. Yeah, let's talk about because I do 586 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: think that the show gives us, like a breadcrumb that 587 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: it might be possible with this guy from Paraguay. 588 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: That's definitely well. 589 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: I think the fact that it took them thirty six 590 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: hours to find him leads you to believe that maybe 591 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: he was under the influence of the hive mind but 592 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: got out of it somehow, and got out of it 593 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: in a way that is so quirky, weird and uncommon 594 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: that only one this only happened once. Like, it's not 595 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: like a Felon hit, because if it was the zosia 596 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: thing with a concussion that could bring you out of it, 597 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: how many people in the world probably had concussion from 598 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: just like four when it had Yeah, yeah, five hundred million, 599 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: right it like, so there should be a lot of 600 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people if it was that. So it's 601 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: got to be such a weird set of circumstances that 602 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: allowed him to escape. 603 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: And I can't. 604 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: Wait to because we literally have no information, but I 605 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: feel like it must be that. What is your thoughts 606 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: about this guy and what it portends for the story? 607 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 6: Well, based on that phone call, we can tell he's 608 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 6: also kind of like an angry, cantankerous son of a bitch, 609 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 6: So I do think there is something to that thread 610 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 6: where like all the people that immune, there's some character 611 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 6: trait or something about them that predisposes them to being immune. 612 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 6: So I think we can tell from the phone call 613 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 6: he's skeptical, doesn't want anything to do with the hive mind, 614 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 6: he's an angry son of a bitch, So I think 615 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 6: there's gonna be something there with that. 616 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: Ian yes to push back, I thought about that too, 617 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: but like, how many cantankerists, angry niche people that you 618 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: can't satisfy are there, Like it's gotta be even. 619 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 6: More's be something deeper than that. 620 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so interested in what it is because I 621 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 3: do think the Paraguay guy is the wrinkle I'm living 622 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: for right now, because I do think he could be 623 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: a NASA librarian or archivist who's kind of had always 624 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: thought about something like this, or he could be a prepper, 625 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 3: or he could be a conspiracy theorist, or he could 626 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 3: just be someone who's a survivalist. He could be a 627 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: homeless guy, and that's why they could find him, because 628 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: he's not like easily, he doesn't have a lot of 629 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: interconnected personal you know, ways that people can remember. 630 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 4: Him or recall him. So I'm I'm most interested for that. 631 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 3: I would love for episode four to be focused on him, 632 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: or at least give us a little bit more insight there, 633 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: because I can imagine it's probably gonna be an interesting 634 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: casting and they'll probably drop him near the end of 635 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: the season, but I would like to know more about 636 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: that sooner rather than later. 637 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: I think it's got Yeah, it's gotta be like genetically 638 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: predisposed to being immune, plus some fluky weird set of 639 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: He was tying his shoe while eating bubble while chewing 640 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: bubble gum while thinking about this, while like touching his 641 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: eye with his like pinky finger, and some weird, very 642 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: very rare fluky combination of all those things allowed him 643 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: to like snap out of it. And we're gonna that, 644 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm guessing is gonna be careful. 645 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: I love that. 646 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 4: I'm very how did you do it? 647 00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: Like? 648 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: What happened? Do you remember what happens? 649 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 5: Oh? 650 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 4: That makes so much sense. 651 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: And then together they're trying to work out how they 652 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 3: can snap people out of it. 653 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 4: That's going to be really interesting. 654 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: And how much of it are they going to be 655 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 3: able to get done in season one because they already 656 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: approved season two? 657 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 4: True? 658 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: So how many you'll go ahead? 659 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 3: Oh? 660 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: Anything good? 661 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 6: I think. Another interesting thing to that we kind of 662 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 6: briefly touched on, but I want to talk about a 663 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 6: little bit more, is you know this compulsion that the 664 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 6: high mind has to assimilate everyone. They keep saying it's 665 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 6: it's a biological directive. We like have to do it, 666 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 6: We're compelled to do it. And even though Carol's like, 667 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 6: but you say, my life is my own, you know, 668 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 6: but how long? And once you figure it out? Like 669 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 6: what then you know? 670 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 5: So? 671 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 6: And and that drowning metaphor that Zosha used, I think 672 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 6: is really interesting because from their perspective, it's almost like 673 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 6: an act of compassion, like we're trying to help you, 674 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 6: We're trying to save you, Like why wouldn't you want 675 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 6: to be a part of this? But it still has 676 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 6: that sinister undertone of like gonna get this work no 677 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 6: matter what. So it's like I just yeah, how they 678 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 6: balance that will be interesting to see, you know. 679 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think the biggest thing is is like, there's 680 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: so it's such, it's an it's a fantastically simple, out 681 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 3: there concept. 682 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 4: But now we're already three episodes. We're only three episodes. 683 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 3: In, and I already need to know more about law. 684 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 3: I need to know more about how it happens. I 685 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: need to know more about what is driving people. I 686 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: need to know either I either need to know what's 687 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: driving the Hive Mind or what striving But either way, 688 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: what's the want? And yeah, and I'm I'm unclear, but 689 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: I'm still vibing. 690 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: Do we have any theories about the end goal of 691 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: the Hive Mind? 692 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: I have one. Here's my is this is there is a. 693 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: Uh, some sort of being. Maybe it's like a supercomputer, right, 694 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 1: some kind of space super AI that was built by 695 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: other creatures. 696 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: Or whatever. 697 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like a supreme intelligence or some kind of thing, 698 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: an alien something. And the way it reproduces is by 699 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: seating this RNA virus to other biological so that they can, 700 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: as one mass harness a planet's entire like resource tree 701 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: to build another one to make another one that and 702 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: then it bursts another baby super computer and then it 703 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: keeps spreading like fantastic. 704 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 4: Honestly, that would be such a brilliant way. 705 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: But I feel like we'll never find out. 706 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like it's gonna be one 707 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: of those where Vince is gonna never really tell us 708 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: what is behind all this. 709 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: Do you have a theory in. 710 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 6: I mean, I was thinking something similar, you know. I think, yeah, 711 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,439 Speaker 6: once everyone is fully assimilated, they're just gonna, like you said, 712 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 6: use all the resource on the planet to continue spreading 713 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 6: this virus from world to world to what end. I'm 714 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 6: still kind of unsure what like they could possibly want 715 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 6: with that, but yeah, I was thinking something similar. I'd 716 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 6: be very curious to see, like, yeah, like once everyone 717 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 6: is assimilar, like then what you know, because they. 718 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 3: Use them to terraform the planet so that other aliens 719 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: can come. Jason, I like your idea where it's more 720 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: about just creating entire planets of people to just build 721 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: more supercomputers that have this, you know, ability to run 722 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 3: because we know how much water and memory and energy 723 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 3: they take. So I think, I think that's a really 724 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 3: cool and I think it's gonna be hard to top that. 725 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 1: Well, a very fun show to talk about. I can't 726 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: wait to keep watching it. Coming up on the next 727 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: episode of x ra Vision, we're diving into it Welcome 728 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: to Dairy, episode four recapping Stranger Things season four two 729 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: shows that if you like one, you'll probably like the other. 730 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: And then we're off to see the Wizard with our 731 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: Wicked for Good, the sequel to Wicked coming out soon, 732 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: our coverage of Wicked for Good. That's it for this episode. 733 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Bye bye. 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