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Speaker 2: It's the night of August eighth, nineteen ninety six. A

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Speaker 2: But here's what the crew doesn't know. Within thirty minutes,

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Speaker 2: or since it's the night the crew of James Cameron's

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Speaker 2: Titanic was drugged. Every on set department was affected that night,

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Speaker 2: that night, the mystery of who drugged the crew was

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Speaker 2: ignited a multi year police investigation followed and one question

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Speaker 2: haunted everyone impacted that fateful evening. Why Welcome to Very

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Speaker 2: Special Episodes and iHeart original podcast. I'm your host, Dana Schwartz,

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Speaker 2: and this is Boat Trip, the attempted sinking of Titanic.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like, because this is our first episode

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Speaker 2: might know us. I'm Danish Schwartz, the person talking now.

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Speaker 2: I host a podcast called Noble Blood, but I also

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Speaker 2: And this podcast called Stealing Superman about Nicholas Cage's incredibly

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Speaker 2: this is a good entry point into Very Special Episodes

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Speaker 2: because my niche has become weird celebrity celebrity adjacent scandals.

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Speaker 3: Yes, cultural high points. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, I guess I should introduce myself. I'm Zaren Burnette.

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Speaker 1: I have hosted Black Cowboys and currently I'm hosting Ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Crime with my partner Elizabeth Dutton and we do pretty

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Speaker 1: much stories like this, which is odd, weird cultural touchstone moments.

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Speaker 4: And I am Jason English. I've worked with you on

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Speaker 4: some of those shows. And the idea behind very special

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Speaker 4: episodes is that we had so many ideas for podcasts

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Speaker 4: to making all these limited series, so let's just do

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Speaker 4: one episode a week. It's our movie of the week.

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Speaker 4: It's mister mcpheely coming over to mister Rogers and popping

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Speaker 3: Think they ever did a PCP.

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Speaker 4: Episode on mister Rogers, but that's kind of what we're

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Speaker 4: hoping is we can earn earn a spot in your

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Speaker 4: weekly podcast listening routine, and we'll be back every every

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Speaker 4: week with a good, weird, fun, sometimes felonious store.

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Speaker 2: You know what I realized this podcast is, it's like

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Speaker 2: when you are at a cocktail party or like out

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Speaker 2: to dinner with like a group of your partner's friends

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Speaker 2: and you don't know what to talk about and you

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Speaker 2: just get to say I heard the craziest story on

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Speaker 2: a podcast. That is every single one of these episodes.

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Speaker 2: It is the fodder for you to say I heard

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Speaker 1: I love that because that's exactly what I do for

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Speaker 2: I also just wanted to say, Jason, We've known each

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Speaker 2: Did you see Titanic?

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Speaker 2: So hopefully he's listening to this, James Cameron, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: I won't bring a romantic partner ready to dive into

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Before we dive into James Cameron's epic Titanic, let's anchor

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Speaker 2: ourselves with a quick history of the real RMS Titanic.

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Speaker 2: On April tenth, nineteen twelve, the Titanic set sail on

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Speaker 2: The colossal tragedy captivated the world in nineteen twelve and

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Speaker 2: has continued to fascinate people for over a century. One

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Speaker 2: James's love of water inspired him to earn his scuba

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Speaker 2: He was simply building models for low budget Roger Corman films.

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Speaker 6: Cameron's reputation was as a filmmaker who he did what

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Speaker 7: We didn't know what it was. My thought was food poisoning,

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Speaker 2: known as PCP or angel dust. The more chowder a

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Speaker 2: Well, some people were enjoying the high, many others were terrified.

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Speaker 2: PCP is an interesting choice. It started as an injectable

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Speaker 8: Novous in the arms and legs. Nausea, vomiting and paranoia,

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Speaker 2: And on the set of Titanic, PCP caused a lot

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Speaker 2: The tight knit community of filmmakers was in extreme distress.

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Speaker 2: bad crew. Through the madness, the crew handled the situation

435
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: like they would on a regular day of filming on

436
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: set by working together.

437
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 7: Everybody was like you know how you doing. We were

438
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 7: all talking. We were all like wondering what was going

439
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 7: to be the next step, thinking maybe we have to

440
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 7: go to the hospital, you know, especially if like one

441
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 7: hundred people needed to use the bathroom simultaneously. We need

442
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 7: to know what was clinta.

443
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: Someone called nine one one. Paramedics from the local Dartmouth

444
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: hospital arrived on the scene, along with the police. The

445
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: good news was that no one was in mortal jeopardy.

446
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: The bad news there wasn't much the paramedics could do.

447
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 7: I just remember us all getting organized and ned Satas said, Okay,

448
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 7: we're going to go to the hospital. It was just

449
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 7: across the street, ironically, and so just organized to everybody

450
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 7: in a line. We were all like feeling a little

451
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 7: silly and stupid that, you know, we were all walking

452
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 7: down the sidewalk and crossing the crosswalk and going into

453
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 7: the hospital and dating a hospital.

454
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Speaker 2: The people who were unaffected and hadn't eaten the chowder

455
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: were instructed to stay on set until they were cleared

456
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: to go home. Without a definitive time they could leave,

457
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: they decided to kick back, relax and join in on

458
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: the fun sort of. One of the departments had a

459
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: bottle of vodka which they passed around. At the same time,

460
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: dozens of crew members high on PCP, descended on the

461
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: Dartmouth Hospital.

462
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Speaker 7: I recall a lot of beige walls, like an old hospital.

463
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 7: It's not a big hospital, the Dartmouth Hospital. So it

464
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 7: was like they are trying to find chairs for us

465
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 7: to sit down gripped, have found wheelchairs and were able

466
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 7: to do wheelies down the hallways, and it was just

467
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 7: so surreal at that point, I guess maybe we were peaking,

468
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 7: and I was like, Wow, this is just like so

469
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 7: cool in a bizarre way.

470
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: James Cameron recounted the scene to Rebecca.

471
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 6: So an enormous number of people are hitting this little,

472
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 6: tiny emergency room, and it just got weird. In the

473
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Speaker 6: emergency room waiting room. The cinematographer was like leading a

474
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 6: conga line. People were not acting the way you do

475
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 6: if you just have food poisoning. Something clearly weirder than

476
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 6: that was going on.

477
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: And Claude was enjoying the high.

478
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 7: I just remember being stoned and having a good time

479
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 7: with my colleagues. It was just so surreal, you know,

480
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 7: like James Cameron, Bill Paxon, we're all going cross the streets,

481
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 7: sitting in a hallway in a hospital. It was crazy.

482
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Speaker 2: Yes, actor Bill Paxton had eaten the chowder as well.

483
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: At some point, Bill Paxton ditched the hospital. In an

484
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: interview with Larry King, he said he told James Cameron, Jim,

485
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to hang out here. This is bedlam.

486
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to wander back down and drink a case

487
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Speaker 2: of beer.

488
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Speaker 6: At one point, Cameron told me he saw his I

489
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 6: think it was his first ad woman who was just

490
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 6: sort of really smart and on it and capable, and

491
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 6: she was kind of trying to direct traffic in the

492
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 6: midst of this emergency room. And she was also verly,

493
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 6: clearly altered and perhaps didn't notice it. And so Karen

494
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 6: was talking to her on the walkie talkie as he's

495
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 6: sitting in the room with her, and at one point

496
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 6: he says to her, where are you And she says,

497
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 6: I'm taking care of people in the hospital, And he says,

498
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 6: you realize I'm sitting right here and you're talking to

499
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 6: me right here, And apparently she comes at him with

500
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 6: a pen and like stabs him in the face with

501
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 6: a pen. Again, this is beyond food poisoning. Something heavy

502
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 6: duty is happening.

503
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: Here when he wasn't getting stabbed in the face with

504
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: a pen, James Cameron was.

505
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 7: Riding the high I remember James kind of slouched back

506
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 7: a bit and chair and just smiling in the kind

507
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 7: of glaze smile and just looking up and down the

508
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 7: hallway and saying, wow, you know, something like this is

509
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 7: strange or I can't believe it. He was enjoying it,

510
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 7: but we didn't know what was going down.

511
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: Some people were sprawled out on gurney's wailing. The hospital

512
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: staff did its best to take care of everyone, so.

513
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 7: I remember nurses just kind of like kind of hurting

514
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 7: cats almost, or kind of like okay, you sit down,

515
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 7: or kind of like trying to calm us down. And

516
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 7: then eventually they gave us a little It looked like

517
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 7: a yogurt drink bottle, but it was black. It was charcoal.

518
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: Liquid. Charcoal is used to treat overdoses and poisonings, among

519
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: other less dramatic things. The charcoal is supposed to bind

520
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: to anything that in a person's gut and help eliminate it.

521
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: It's an effective way to get rid of a great

522
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: many toxins, even if you don't know which toxin A

523
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: person has taken, so who would be the metaphorical guinea

524
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: pig to drink the charcoal first.

525
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Speaker 6: The interesting thing, it sounds like Cameron remained Cameron in

526
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 6: the sense that he, like everybody else, was feeling some

527
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 6: weird symptoms. He was clearly a little bit off, but

528
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 6: he was still kind of leader to the crew in

529
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: that sense, and Cameron sort of led the crew and

530
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 6: the drinking of the charcoal drink to expunge whatever this

531
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Speaker 6: toxin was from their systems as quickly as possible.

532
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: After everyone drank their dose of charcoal, there wasn't much

533
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: else the hospital staff could do for the crew. Those

534
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: who could be were discharged and sent home, and everyone

535
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: who was still on set was cleared to leave as well.

536
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: James Cameron stayed up late with Bill Paxton drinking beer,

537
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: reflecting on the bizarre night and expressing relief that nobody

538
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: got seriously hurt.

539
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 6: It was certainly scary and weird, but they just kind

540
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 6: of reflected back on this extraordinary movie, which had all

541
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 6: of these problems and delays and complexities and expenses.

542
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: There was one thing that would bring the cast and

543
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: crew back together very soon. The PCP incident had put

544
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: a wrench. In the final day of shooting in Halifax,

545
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: with only half of the shooting schedule completed, the crew

546
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: still needed to finish what they started. They were given

547
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: these standard time off, which was long enough for the

548
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: effects of PCP to wear off. The now sober cast

549
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: and crew returned in the evening for the final time.

550
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: The chaos of the event would inspire one crew member

551
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: to grab their guitar and sing a song about it.

552
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 7: I'm not picking on the grips, but I'm guessing it

553
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 7: was one of the.

554
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: Grips, and the absurdity of the situation would be commemorated

555
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: with a souvenir.

556
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 7: The person who hired me called me in Annie Fuller.

557
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 7: She's not around on anymore, but she was an icon.

558
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 7: She was really good at what she did. She kind

559
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 7: of had a raspy smoker's voice, and she would do

560
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 7: like ten things at once and kind of chaotic straightaway.

561
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 7: But everybody loved her here in Halifax worked with her

562
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 7: while all this was going down, So maybe it was

563
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 7: while we were in the hospital. I drew the sketch

564
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 7: of Bola chowder with a titanic kind of sinking down

565
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 7: into bola chowder and on the bottom. I put good crew,

566
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 7: bad crew, and Annie just flipped out. She said, oh man,

567
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 7: I love that. She goes, could you fix that up?

568
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 7: She wanted me to find I want to get T

569
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 7: shirts made out of them, so like really, she goes, yeah, yeah,

570
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 7: yeah yeah. She got them embroidered, not so drm embroidered,

571
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 7: which was a little higher in and she gave them

572
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 7: out to a local people. I guess that worked on

573
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 7: the show. I'm sure there's one exists.

574
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: Somewhere, thankfully. The final day of shooting was smooth sailing

575
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: until James Cameron called out, that's a wrap on Halifax.

576
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: But as the shoot ended, a new challenge emerged. The

577
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: identity of the person who spiked the chowder was unknown.

578
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: The search for the person who poisoned the cast and

579
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: crew began, and on a set full of longtime friends

580
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: and colleagues, the investigation hit uncomfortably close to home. The

581
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: poisoning of a film director and his cast and crew

582
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: sound like the plot of a movie. In reality, James

583
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Cameron's on set nightmare that spurred an investigation. In the beginning,

584
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: no one knew what mind altering substance the cast and

585
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: crew had consumed, along with their seafood chowder. John Landau,

586
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: a producer on the film and James Cameron's business partner,

587
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: was the first to find out.

588
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 6: There was a toxicology report which was given to producer

589
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 6: John Landau, in which it was revealed that there was

590
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 6: PCP in the chowder.

591
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 2: According to Vulture, the toxicology report was from the Nova

592
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: Scotia Department of Health, who handed the investigation over to

593
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: the Halifax Regional Police Service. At first glance, there was

594
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: a long list of potential suspects, like anyone who was

595
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 2: on set that night. Over eighty people had been drugged

596
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: and there were a bunch of others who hadn't been.

597
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: At least one hundred people were present when the PCP

598
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: chaos commenced. It happened to a close knit community of filmmakers.

599
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: Could a longtime friend and colleague have gone rogue to

600
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: get everyone stoned? And if so, why was it a

601
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 2: prank that went too far with someone harboring a grudge

602
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: against James Cameron? Could it have been an attempt to

603
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: sabotage the final day of shooting or the production? Overall?

604
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: The question of how the culprit acquired PCP added another

605
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: layer of intrigue. They could have synthesized their own PCP,

606
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: but they would have had to do it without catching

607
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: the attention of law enforcement. The ingredients to make PCP

608
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: are highly monitored, so much so that if you purchase

609
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: enough of the ingredients to get started, there's a strong

610
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: chance a police officer will knock on your door. But

611
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: the Halifax Regional Police Service wasn't aware of someone working

612
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: on the film who had purchased those ingredients, and the

613
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: police weren't aware of anyone from Titanic purchasing angel dust

614
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: from a dealer. Theories of who had done it swirled

615
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: among the crew.

616
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 9: I heard one where one guy wanted to go to

617
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 9: Mexico because that's where they were going after Halifax, and

618
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 9: the cater guy didn't want him, or didn't allow him

619
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 9: or whatever, so he fired him and then I guess

620
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 9: he got hired again the next day or something like that.

621
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Speaker 6: One of the theories was that someone who had been

622
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 6: fired from the set as disgruntled crew member had spiked

623
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 6: the chowder sort of as revenge, maybe potentially to get

624
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 6: the catering crew in trouble. Some people thought it was

625
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 6: folks being angry at Cameron for his sort of intense

626
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 6: leadership style. But it's all just theories.

627
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: The CEO of one of the catering companies in question

628
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: told Entertainment Weekly that it was the Hollywood crowd bringing

629
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: in psychedelics and it was a quote party thing that

630
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: got carried away. James Cameron's future wife, actress Susie Amos,

631
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: didn't eat the chowder, which Cameron jokingly said made her

632
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: high on the suspect list.

633
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 7: Just what everybody else was talking. Somebody got pissed off

634
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 7: with I don't know if it was the crew or

635
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 7: the catering and so they just decided to sabotage the

636
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 7: guy who was the caterer.

637
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Remember, the night before the PCP incident, a crew member

638
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 2: who clashed with the caterer had been fired. The theory

639
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: was that the now ex crew member was so upset

640
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: they added PCP to the chowder to sabotage the catering company.

641
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: The disgruntled crew member's plan worked, as the catering company

642
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: was fired the next day. It's a theory that even

643
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: James Cameron supported in an interview with Vanity Fair. Yet

644
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: there was no no easy answer for the police, and

645
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: their search continued despite the ongoing investigation, James Cameron had

646
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: a movie to complete. Regrettably, this wouldn't be the last

647
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: significant hurdle he'd face during production. After the Halifax shoot wrapped,

648
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: James Cameron headed to Rosarito, Mexico to film most of

649
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: the flashback scenes of Jack and Rose on the Titanic.

650
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: News of other mishaps and hurdles while filming became public

651
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Speaker 2: knowledge through the media, like rumors of James Cameron's temper

652
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Speaker 2: on set and the perils of underwater stunt work. Kate

653
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Speaker 2: Winslet told The Los Angeles Times about some of the

654
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Speaker 2: harsh conditions she endured, which included chipping a bone in

655
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Speaker 2: her elbow.

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Speaker 6: Kate has talked about this, She's wearing this sort of

657
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Speaker 6: flowing dress and a coat, and she's doing these underwater

658
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Speaker 6: sequences where she's traveling through the ship and through all

659
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Speaker 6: these little kind of tight spaces. If you ask Cameron

660
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Speaker 6: about it, he says that they were always very aware

661
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Speaker 6: of where she was and very focused on her safety,

662
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Speaker 6: and certainly all ended well, but from her perspective, it

663
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 6: was quite scary when at one point she did get

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Speaker 6: caught on something with her costume, and I think the

665
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Speaker 6: peril in some ways that you see on the faces

666
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Speaker 6: of the actors during the sinking scene, there's a way

667
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Speaker 6: in which they were actually feeling that. I mean, they

668
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 6: were literally filling the set with water. That's not cig water.

669
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Speaker 6: They're not sitting in a little swimming pool pretending with

670
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Speaker 6: you know, CG ship behind them. It was a real

671
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Speaker 6: ship that they'd built and they were filling it with water.

672
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Speaker 6: And for the actors, you don't have to try too

673
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Speaker 6: hard to seem terrified in that circumstance.

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Speaker 2: The media latched down to the narrative of how unhinged

675
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Speaker 2: James Cameron's set had become. In both Rosarto and Halifax.

676
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Speaker 6: The PCP incident would have fed into a narrative at

677
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Speaker 6: the time that this movie is just a hot mess

678
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Speaker 6: and look at the crazy, ridiculous things that are happening

679
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Speaker 6: on it.

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Speaker 2: To make matters worse, Titanic was getting a bad press

681
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Speaker 2: for its record sized budget. The film's original budget was

682
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Speaker 2: estimated to be eighty million dollars, which turned into one

683
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: hundred and ten million when the reality of how much

684
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: it would cost sank in. But the production was so

685
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: complex that the shooting schedule took much longer than anticipated.

686
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Speaker 2: James Cameron's period piece Love Story was turning into the

687
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Speaker 2: most expensive movie ever made.

688
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Speaker 6: He had to get his release date pushed, which studios

689
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 6: never liked to do, and with these big ideas he had,

690
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 6: for instance, building the ship almost to scale in Mexico,

691
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Speaker 6: and all these little details like the china was the

692
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Speaker 6: correct china that was used on Titanic, and even if

693
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Speaker 6: you flipped over a plate in the dining room, it

694
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Speaker 6: said the right thing on the back of the plate

695
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Speaker 6: that it would have said on Titanic. Now, normally movie

696
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 6: sets are not that detailed. You're not necessarily going to

697
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 6: bring a camera in and flip over a piece of china.

698
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Speaker 6: He wanted that level of verisimilitude for his actors and

699
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Speaker 6: to kind of put everyone in that historical moment. But

700
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 6: with that came enormous expenses. Famously, the movie was being

701
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Speaker 6: tracked by a lot of the Hollywood trade press and

702
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 6: expected to be an enormous flop. Variety had a Titanic

703
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Speaker 6: Watch column just kind of on a regular basis, sort

704
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 6: of mocking the challenges that the film was facing along

705
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Speaker 6: the way. So the expectations were all that this is

706
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 6: going to completely tank, no pun intended. People were not

707
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Speaker 6: expecting good things from Titanic.

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Speaker 2: Despite the rabid negative media fodder, the two hundred million

709
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Speaker 2: dollar budget, the cascade of onset mishaps, and rumors of

710
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Speaker 2: James Cameron's intensity. When Titanic was released in theaters on

711
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Speaker 2: December nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven, five months after its initial

712
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: release date, the movie was more than a hit. Over

713
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Speaker 2: the course of a few months, the most expensive movie

714
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Speaker 2: ever made, became the highest grossing film of all time

715
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Speaker 2: and the first film to gross over one billion dollars.

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Speaker 6: When Titanic opened, it exceeded anyone's expectations for the film.

717
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Speaker 6: It was such a cultural phenomenon. Not only the many,

718
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Speaker 6: many Oscar nominations, the enormous box office receipts, but there

719
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 6: were all these weird other sort of ripple effects, like

720
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Speaker 6: cruises became more popular. There was a phenomenon of girls

721
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Speaker 6: going to see the movie over and over again who

722
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 6: were in love with Leonardo de kat and then having

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Speaker 6: crying parties.

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Speaker 7: At the time, it was just another big production, but

725
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Speaker 7: the once it started to screen, in the popularity of it,

726
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 7: it's like, wow, I was so part of that. I

727
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 7: have all these great memories of different things that had

728
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 7: nothing to do with the poisoning, just the whole working

729
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Speaker 7: on the show. I was very proud of working on

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Speaker 7: that show.

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Speaker 2: At the nineteen ninety eight Academy Awards, Titanic earned a

732
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Speaker 2: whopping fourteen Oscar nominations, tying the record for the most

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Speaker 2: nominations beside All About Eve. It won in eleven categories,

734
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Speaker 2: including a Best Picture and Best Director, tying Ben her

735
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: for the winningest film in cinema history. James Cameron gave

736
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Speaker 2: a controversial acceptance speech while holding the Oscar for Best Director.

737
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Speaker 2: He quoted Jack saying I'm the king of the world. Well,

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Speaker 2: Titanic reached unprecedented levels of success. The Halifax Regional Police

739
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Speaker 2: Service was still investigating the PCP incident. There were no

740
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: major breakthroughs in the case. At the same time, the

741
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 2: people who had been on set that night were moving

742
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Speaker 2: on to new opportunities.

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Speaker 6: Well, the interesting thing about James Cameron is he did

744
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 6: not make another movie for a very very long time

745
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 6: after Titanic. He made an enormous amount of money from it,

746
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 6: and that gave him the freedom to do other kinds

747
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 6: of things for the next several years. That meant a

748
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 6: lot of things that didn't have a lot to do

749
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Speaker 6: with Hollywood. It meant dives and documentaries about the ocean. Interestingly,

750
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 6: that first ad the woman who came at him and

751
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 6: stabbed him in the face for their pen he ended

752
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 6: up hiring her again on one of those documentaries that

753
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 6: he filmed in Halifax. So obviously no hard feelings from

754
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 6: the PCP incident.

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Speaker 2: After Titanic, Bill Paxton continued to accrue a host of

756
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Speaker 2: acting credits. He made his directorial debut in two thousand

757
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: and one with the film Frailty, which he also starred in,

758
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Speaker 2: and while the Halifax crew had an impressive movie on

759
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: their resumes, life continued as normal in their special filmmaking community.

760
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Speaker 2: The crew would go on to work on films and

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Speaker 2: TV shows of varying sizes, although Titanic did draw a

762
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Speaker 2: lot of awe and wonder.

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Speaker 7: At any time any of my friends, they go, oh,

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Speaker 7: you work on a film? Is this what films do

765
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Speaker 7: you work on? So eventually I have to cite Titanic.

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Speaker 7: As soon as I say Titanic, I got everybody's attention.

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Speaker 2: As for the culprit behind the PCP spiked chowder, they

768
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: were never caught in February of nineteen ninety nine, two

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Speaker 2: and a half years after the crew was drugged, the

770
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Speaker 2: Halifax Regional Police closed the investigation without a suspect. The

771
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: case was officially cold, with no culprit and no motive.

772
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Speaker 2: There's no answer as to why someone poisoned James Cameron

773
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: and his crew. One thing that is certain, however, is

774
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: that the mayhem the PCP culprit brought to Titanic didn't

775
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: stop James Cameron from creating one of the greatest films

776
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Speaker 2: of all time. Despite all of the onset issues and

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Speaker 2: media articles claiming Titanic would fail, James proved his critics wrong.

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Speaker 6: You know, one thing I've noticed about Cameron is I

779
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 6: think he actually kind of gets a kick out of

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Speaker 6: when people underestimate him. He is good at tuning that

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00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 6: stuff out or sort of taking it in but not

782
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 6: taking it on, if that makes sense. And I think

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Speaker 6: he knew he was making something pretty special, and I

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Speaker 6: don't think he put much stock in the media coverage

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Speaker 6: of him.

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Speaker 2: James Cameron would go on to surpass Titanic as the

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Speaker 2: highest grossing film of all time with two thousand and

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00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: nine's Avatar, followed by Avia the Way of Water. In

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, all three films have grossed over two

790
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: billion dollars over twenty six years later. It's unlikely that

791
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: the PCP culprit will ever be named, but when it

792
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Speaker 2: comes to Hollywood, anything is possible.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like it should be the next season of

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Speaker 6: True Detective or something like these Canadian cops trying to

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00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 6: solve this twenty five year old mystery of who spiked

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Speaker 6: the chowder on the Titanic set.

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Speaker 2: Until then, the only things that remain of that chaotic

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Speaker 2: night in Halifax are the memories of the people who

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Speaker 2: lived it and the good Crew bad Cruise shirts that

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Speaker 2: Claude helped make. I have to say, for like a

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00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: story about spiked chowder with PCP, like, there are moments

802
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: of this that are very heartwarming. There's like moments of

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00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: love and friendship that I found very endearing. It's a

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Speaker 2: more wholesome story than I expected.

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Speaker 1: The moment when James ca gets stabbed in the face

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Speaker 1: while he's high on PCP. You wouldn't think that would

807
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: be a sweet moment, but it totally turns out to

808
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: be this sweet moment because he then rehires the woman

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Speaker 1: who stabbed him in the face with the pen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what a sweetheart, what a forgiving guy.

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Speaker 2: That is what people say about James Cameron. People are

812
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Speaker 2: constantly saying, James Cameron, huge sweetheart. That's like the only

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Speaker 2: thing we hear about him.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why they called him King of the World.

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Speaker 1: Is like king of the sweethearts.

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, he's.

817
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Speaker 2: The sweetest man in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: He moved that table. That's all I needed.

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Speaker 4: Like, when I'm carrying a table, I want one other

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00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: person just to help, and look, he did it.

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Speaker 2: I really do like his relationship though with Bill Paxton.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh, come on, the two of them. I means,

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Speaker 1: sitting there with that twelve pac trying to get down

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Speaker 1: off of the high. They don't even understand. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how amazing is that. You're like, hey, buddy, you got

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Speaker 1: I got some beers. Let's go back to my place

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Speaker 1: and we'll just wind this down. And they're both sideways.

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Speaker 1: I mean almost like I could relate. That's all I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say. I could relate.

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Speaker 4: So, Zarin, is Bill Paxon your very special character for

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Speaker 4: this episode? We should do this each episode. Let's pick

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Speaker 4: one person each.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Yeah, Bill Pexston is my spirit character.

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Speaker 1: And then also the whoever was who came up with

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Speaker 1: the idea we should race wheelchairs in a hospital.

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00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 3: That's my dude as well.

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Speaker 2: My very special character is the nurses at the hospital

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00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: who had to deal with this influx of people just

839
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: absolutely tripping and confused and probably just got a crazy

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Speaker 2: story for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 4: Truly, I would tell that to every patient after August

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six would get that story if I if

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Speaker 4: I had been there that night. My very special character,

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Speaker 4: and it wasn't close for me. Great choices all, but

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Speaker 4: for me it's the late Annie Fuller, the one who

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Speaker 4: got the good crew, bad cruise shirt silk screened. She

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Speaker 4: is the I'm sorry not silk screened, the embroidered better

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Speaker 4: than silk.

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Speaker 3: Screen Oh yeah, embroider.

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Speaker 4: You got to make these things live on in fashion,

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Speaker 4: in merch. And it reminds me that about two minutes

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Speaker 4: after you all agreed to do this podcast, I was

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Speaker 4: hitting you up for your hoodie sizes, for hat sizes.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted, like, we got to move this from

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Speaker 4: the podcast to the podcast adjacent clothing, and so be

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Speaker 4: on the lookout. We're gonna get that headed your way

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