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Speaker 1: Guys, as O, Joe and I, we told you earlier
Speaker 1: we had a great conversation with the legendary Michael Johnson.
Speaker 1: And here's the here's our interview with Michael. We hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy it. Oh Joe, I told you we're gonna
Speaker 1: try to make this thing the real Olympics. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have people that anticipated in the Paris Olympics and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get we were I'm gonna going to have former greats.
Speaker 1: The guy that's gonna talk with us for about forty
Speaker 1: five minutes today is a former two time world champion
Speaker 1: two hundred meters. He's a former four time champion the
Speaker 1: four hundred meters. He was a former world world record
Speaker 1: holder at two hundred meters, at three hundred meters, at
Speaker 1: four hundred meters. He's still he's a current American record
Speaker 1: holder at three hundred meters and four hundred meters, and
Speaker 1: he ran the anchor leg on.
Speaker 3: The world breaking.
Speaker 1: World Championship four hundred meter relay team of two minutes
Speaker 1: fifty four twenty nine. You know, and he's a two
Speaker 1: time Olympic gold medal in four hundred meters. He's a
Speaker 1: one time Olympic champ at two hundred meters. He's the
Speaker 1: only man to successfully defend his four hundred meters crown
Speaker 1: and back to back Olympics in ninety six and two
Speaker 1: thousand and he's the only man currently to win the
Speaker 1: four hundred and the two hundred in the same Olympics.
Speaker 1: One of the greatest printers in the history of sprinting,
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest printer in American history.
Speaker 3: Michael Johnson, Mike's.
Speaker 4: Going on, guys. Good to see both man. Good to
Speaker 4: see you. I haven't talked to both of you guys
Speaker 4: in a while.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, man, Mike, when you hear the accolades,
Speaker 1: you know, four time world champion four hundred meters, two
Speaker 1: time world champion two hundreundred meters, a two time Olympic champion,
Speaker 1: four Olympic champion, two back to back, nobody into history.
Speaker 1: The game has been going on since eighteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: And we see some young guys come in and they
Speaker 1: win the four hundred early in their career at eighteen,
Speaker 1: I mean nineteen twenty years of age and can't replicate
Speaker 1: that you did it later in your career. Why has
Speaker 1: it been so hard for men and women to repeat?
Speaker 1: I mean it's more common in women repeating, But why
Speaker 1: has it been so hard for men to repeat the
Speaker 1: four hundred?
Speaker 4: It's some difficulty event, man. It's difficult for people to
Speaker 4: get consistent in that event. Like you will see somebody
Speaker 4: come out run forty three seconds, become a forty three
Speaker 4: second four hundred runner, But then you'll see them in
Speaker 4: some races running forty four high, forty four mid, not
Speaker 4: consistently under forty three seconds. The four hundred meters is
Speaker 4: one of those races where you need to be consistent
Speaker 4: in order to deliver that type of performance when it
Speaker 4: counts at the Olympic Games. And what happens is is
Speaker 4: you have somebody run the Olympics, they get it right then,
Speaker 4: and then if you see them in those races outside
Speaker 4: of the championships being very inconsistent running forty four highs
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing, then there's a likely chance
Speaker 4: that when they get back to that next championship, they're
Speaker 4: going to run worse, not better. It's just the way
Speaker 4: that it goes. You have to try to get consistent
Speaker 4: with that event. It's a really difficult event to run
Speaker 4: because it's such a long sprint. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: room for area, there's a lot of ways to make
Speaker 4: mistakes in that race. It's hard to get it right,
Speaker 4: easy to get it wrong.
Speaker 5: When I think about the four hundred race, obviously from
Speaker 5: the start you exert so much energy I would say
Speaker 5: from some zero zero to fifty. And then you have
Speaker 5: another phase that you kick into where it's kind of
Speaker 5: not a transition phase where you slow down, but where
Speaker 5: you build up enough energy where you're moving as fast
Speaker 5: as you can will not allowing that lacktic acid to
Speaker 5: build up where you're not able to finish and kick
Speaker 5: towards the end and when you the first thing you
Speaker 5: said was about being consistent. How difficult is it to
Speaker 5: be consistent when the field of competitive change is consistently
Speaker 5: each time you race, and some people push you, some
Speaker 5: people don't. So how do you find that happy medium
Speaker 5: where you can always run your race but still have
Speaker 5: a chance to always win?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it looks like when you look at track,
Speaker 4: it looks like you're just going out there, and you
Speaker 4: hear most people talk about just executing their own race
Speaker 4: because you're in your own lane and other people are
Speaker 4: in their lane. But you have to know your competitors.
Speaker 4: You have to know they are what they're capable of. So,
Speaker 4: like if I'm in a four hundred meter race, for example,
Speaker 4: and that part you talked about OCHA, where you know
Speaker 4: you come out sixty first sixty meters or so, you
Speaker 4: want to run its as hard as you can get
Speaker 4: up to your place, not slow down, but just hold
Speaker 4: that pace. It's like in your car, if you push
Speaker 4: your foot all the way down on the accelerator, you're
Speaker 4: using a lot of gas. But let it up for
Speaker 4: a little bit. Now you're not slowing down. You're just
Speaker 4: maintaining that speed, right right, Don't keep mashing on the
Speaker 4: gas is the thing that key down the backstretch. But
Speaker 4: in that position, when I'm going down that backstretch, if
Speaker 4: I see one of my competitors who typically doesn't get
Speaker 4: out hard, but today they get not hard, and now
Speaker 4: they're getting a little bit of distance too far away
Speaker 4: from me, I have to make a decision, right then, Okay,
Speaker 4: do I make an adjustment in my race based on
Speaker 4: what they're doing. But I have to know them. If
Speaker 4: I know that he's not gonna be able to hold
Speaker 4: that so I'm then I might decide I'm gonna let
Speaker 4: him go. But you have to be able to make
Speaker 4: those decisions. So you have to know your competitor. You
Speaker 4: have to be able to execute your own race, but
Speaker 4: you have to be really good at making decisions in
Speaker 4: the moment in the race, in real time. You got
Speaker 4: to make those decisions quickly because you can't just kind
Speaker 4: of think about it because the race is going to
Speaker 4: be over.
Speaker 1: Mike, when I look at you and I go back
Speaker 1: and little start of your career and you look at
Speaker 1: the runners, say I have to make split's take a
Speaker 1: decisions to what I'm gonna do. You look at some
Speaker 1: of the runners you ran against Steve Lewis, you ran
Speaker 1: against Quincy Wash, you ran against Antoine Maybank, you ran
Speaker 1: against Anton Pedigree, Alvin and Calvin Harrison, got Washington Everett.
Speaker 1: There was such a vast range of four hundred meters
Speaker 1: and all these guys could go sub forty four. And
Speaker 1: when you're racing these guys, you go into your mind says, Okay,
Speaker 1: obviously Steve Lewis is an Olympic champ. Quincy Watts was
Speaker 1: an Olympic champ. A lot of these guys you ran
Speaker 1: in the relay with. So when when you're trying to
Speaker 1: break down, when you and coach Heart your coach when
Speaker 1: you guys were breaking down a race says the world championship,
Speaker 1: Olympic trials, the Olympics and so forth and so on.
Speaker 1: How different I'm gonna turn it over to you, o Joe.
Speaker 1: How different is running a four hundred as a two?
Speaker 1: Because we understand two is half the distance of four.
Speaker 1: But what's the difference? Because you were able? You kind
Speaker 1: of started like as a two hundred. You won the
Speaker 1: first world championship at two hundred meters in ninety one,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and then built up and then
Speaker 1: you got the courage to say I could do both.
Speaker 1: I can in the Olympics. Buddy, you know how what
Speaker 1: kind of brass? How long has you gotta have to
Speaker 1: say I could beat the world's best at four and
Speaker 1: two in the same Yeah, it's probably never gonna be
Speaker 1: done again.
Speaker 3: On the metis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw a couple of people have tried since
Speaker 4: I did it. Nobody even tried before I did it.
Speaker 4: You couldn't even the schedule wouldn't even allow for it.
Speaker 4: So I had to get them to get them to
Speaker 4: change the schedule. But yeah, I started as a two
Speaker 4: hundred meter runner, but when I was at Baylor, I
Speaker 4: was on the fourth by four and I was always
Speaker 4: splitting forty three, So I knew I could run four hundred.
Speaker 4: But like in college, you always you can't really go
Speaker 4: back and forth between the two and the four very
Speaker 4: much because you're always preparing for got to qualify for nationals.
Speaker 4: You gotta get ready for conference, you know, in or it,
Speaker 4: and then the same thing I do in the Both
Speaker 4: of those seasons are pretty short. But I knew I
Speaker 4: could run the four hundred. Then when I when I
Speaker 4: started my professional career, I was primarily two hundred, but
Speaker 4: I was running four hundreds at meets on the Grand
Speaker 4: Prix circuit, and I was running low forty two's rank
Speaker 4: number one in the world. But the first couple of championships,
Speaker 4: like that ninety one championship, like you talked about, Sharnon,
Speaker 4: so I chose the two hundred. Major team in the
Speaker 4: two hundred, won the World championship in the two hundred.
Speaker 4: But I'm sitting there in the stands and I'm seeing
Speaker 4: Antonio Pettigrew win the four hundred. I'm like, I've been
Speaker 4: beating him all season. I should be the world champion
Speaker 4: in the four hundred, but I can't run the four hundred.
Speaker 4: Now somebody else's world champion. So I was telling my
Speaker 4: coach then, like, you know, I want to run both,
Speaker 4: and he was saying coach was like, yeah, we can
Speaker 4: do both. We just got to get them to, you know,
Speaker 4: work out the schedule for us. So over time that became,
Speaker 4: you know, my thing, I'm gonna go to the championships.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna run the both to two and the four.
Speaker 4: Nobody had done that before. The races are very different.
Speaker 4: The two hundred meters are all I sprint. For most people,
Speaker 4: there's you know, some of the guys that's one hundred
Speaker 4: meters runners that's not really don't have that type of
Speaker 4: speed endurance to be able to hold it. They can't
Speaker 4: run the whole thing. But if you come from like me,
Speaker 4: like having a four hundred background as well, I can
Speaker 4: run the whole thing. So the difference, you know, is
Speaker 4: there's less room for margin or margin for error. In
Speaker 4: the two hundred, you may be able to make one
Speaker 4: adjustment in that race because it's so short nineteen seconds,
Speaker 4: whereas in the four hundred you can make all kinds
Speaker 4: of adjustments. The problem is there's more room for error
Speaker 4: in the four hundred gonna make it. You can make
Speaker 4: a lot of mistakes, and you probably will, whereas it
Speaker 4: two hundred. It's much more technical.
Speaker 5: I think one of the most interesting things about about
Speaker 5: this and everything you've accomplished, the accolades, the four Olympic
Speaker 5: gold medals, the eight World championships. I think with people
Speaker 5: that are going to watch the show, like, what initially,
Speaker 5: Let's let's go back to the beginning, because we know,
Speaker 5: we know the finished product, we know if you've done,
Speaker 5: we know if you've accomplished, But what initially Drew drew
Speaker 5: the track and field, and how do you discover your
Speaker 5: passion for sprinting. Let's let's go back and take us
Speaker 5: where it all started so we get a better understanding
Speaker 5: on how everything came to fruition to where you are now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just always loved running man. I played all
Speaker 4: sports growing up in Dallas, played soccer, football, basketball, baseball.
Speaker 4: We were always outside playing right, and always I was
Speaker 4: always fast. I was always faster than everybody else. So
Speaker 4: of course, going up in Texas, you know, got to
Speaker 4: play football, and so all my friends, you know, and
Speaker 4: I did not like football. I love watching football, hated
Speaker 4: playing football, hated did not did not like football. Then't
Speaker 4: like getting hit, didn't want to get hit in like contact,
Speaker 4: and so I so they wanted me to play receiver.
Speaker 4: This is in middle school. They wanted me to play receiver.
Speaker 4: I was like this, that's not happening. Now I want
Speaker 4: to get hit. And uh so then they want me
Speaker 4: to play running back like same difference, you know. So
Speaker 4: I ended up So I ended up being free. I
Speaker 4: played I played safety. I played free safety some Roman
Speaker 4: and I was like Dionne. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 4: I'm going for interceptions. I'm catching interceptions, gonna hit nobody, right,
Speaker 4: And and then so I played football just because all
Speaker 4: my friends are out there.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 4: And and then I remember I had one game where
Speaker 4: I have great game, two interceptions, ran one back for
Speaker 4: a touchdown, and uh and we lost. And I mean
Speaker 4: we on the bus going back home after the game,
Speaker 4: like everybody said, and I'm like, sure, why am I sad,
Speaker 4: I should you know, if I have a good day,
Speaker 4: I want to win. That's how I know individual sports
Speaker 4: is the path for me. Team sports I'm too selfish,
Speaker 4: but uh but yeah, so so you know, so high
Speaker 4: school just track and and then uh and then I
Speaker 4: started getting scholarship off as chose Baylor, went to Baylor,
Speaker 4: and I didn't realize until I got to Baylor that
Speaker 4: I could even have a professional career and track. Then
Speaker 4: he realized and so yeah, so so that was it
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: And then once I got to Baylor started running times
Speaker 4: that it got real coaching for the first time in
Speaker 4: my life, real treating. I realized that I had the
Speaker 4: potentially be world class because I was running some of
Speaker 4: the same times that the guys that was going running
Speaker 4: in the Olympic Games and running professionally were running.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Mike.
Speaker 1: When you when I go back and study you a
Speaker 1: couple of years, you're only about a year older than
Speaker 1: I am. And so I was a track and field
Speaker 1: guy too, but I noticed, but you weren't tough. When
Speaker 1: in Texas when you talk about runners, Roy Martin, Roy
Speaker 1: Martin from Dallas Rose, I learned here's from every weekend.
Speaker 4: He could run against him every weekend on the four
Speaker 4: by four hundred, two hundred. Crazy, my my, he was
Speaker 4: a year old older than me. You're older than me. Yeah,
Speaker 4: my junior year, now my sophomore year. Sophomore year nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty four, he was all Tonant in the two hundred
Speaker 4: for the Olympic team in La We in high school.
Speaker 6: Yep, and I'm having to read a movie like that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, what do he was? He ran like
Speaker 6: a set the high school world record. And then also
Speaker 6: in one hundred. You were in ten ten ten o sumthing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 4: I didn't get out of district, so you got you
Speaker 4: got finished top two to get out of the district
Speaker 4: to advance the regionals. Then top two out of regionals
Speaker 4: go to state. I didn't get out of state until
Speaker 4: my senior year because of Run and those guys.
Speaker 3: And then my school we.
Speaker 4: Didn't really we didn't have it, you know, we didn't
Speaker 4: take sports seriously.
Speaker 3: You know, it was it was.
Speaker 4: It was an academically focused school that you had to
Speaker 4: apply to get in and everything I got in and
Speaker 4: sports was just like I after thought, you were in
Speaker 4: the hardest district in the country.
Speaker 3: For track.
Speaker 4: I mean the kids in that the district ten five
Speaker 4: A in Dallas, Texas was the hardest district and we
Speaker 4: in there with it was crazy. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: so I didn't and I didn't, and then I got
Speaker 4: out of district my first time as a senior one
Speaker 4: in one regions, got to State, got second behind Derrek Florence,
Speaker 4: who broke Royan Martin's high school record in the two hundred.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's what I was up against as a
Speaker 4: high schooler.
Speaker 1: Right, Mike, When did you realize Because I'm I'm looking
Speaker 1: at your career and like I said, I love track
Speaker 1: and field, and I'll know a lot about the two
Speaker 1: hundred meters. I was at the trials in Atlanta when
Speaker 1: you broke phr A. Menino's record. He ran nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 1: I think it in seventy two and you ran nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty six. When did you know that you could break
Speaker 1: the world record into two hundred and.
Speaker 4: The four so you were claim, yeah, you were close.
Speaker 4: He bro it was nineteen seventy nine. He in nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy three in Mexico City at to Do and that
Speaker 4: record stip for a long time because I was nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety six, right, yeah, so nineteen six when I broke it.
Speaker 4: He broke it in nineteen seventy, nineteen seventy seventy nine,
Speaker 4: So yeah, I knew when I was in college. I
Speaker 4: knew when I was in college. My sophomore year of college,
Speaker 4: I ran twenty point eight, I mean twenty point eight
Speaker 4: and and I remember that race. That was the first
Speaker 4: time I really dropped the time, and I remember all
Speaker 4: the mistakes, and me and my coach were just talking
Speaker 4: about all of the things that we could improve in
Speaker 4: that race, and he said then, he was like, like,
Speaker 4: you can break the world record. I was like, I know,
Speaker 4: and that's what we just kept We just kept working
Speaker 4: on it from there. But I had a lot of
Speaker 4: injuries in college that kind of helped me from from
Speaker 4: reaching my potential. And I had to you know that
Speaker 4: I didn't like it was my fault. I was getting
Speaker 4: injured because I didn't like stretching, didn't like lifting weights.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to go out of the practice run
Speaker 4: every day, run and do it. So I wasn't strong,
Speaker 4: you know. And then I realized, you know, I got it.
Speaker 4: I really and my coach have been really telling me,
Speaker 4: you know, and I was just, you know, a hard
Speaker 4: headed kid, thinking I'm gonna do it my way. Don't
Speaker 4: really like weight. I'm fast, I can just be fast.
Speaker 4: But the fundamentals are the fundamentals. It takes what it takes,
Speaker 4: you know. There's not a lot of choices when you
Speaker 4: want to be successful. And I had to realize that.
Speaker 4: And once I did committed myself to the weights in
Speaker 4: the string training program, that's when I started seeing the results.
Speaker 1: You had some battles man, you and Butch. When Butcher
Speaker 1: said butch, Butcher said, broke the world record. He broke
Speaker 1: Levans world record eighty eight in nineteen eighty eight. He
Speaker 1: ran what forty three twenty nine? Uh, And so you
Speaker 1: and him had battles. You him, Steve Lewis, Danny Everett,
Speaker 1: Quincy Watts, guys. You guys were both going back and
Speaker 1: forth because all of you guys could sub forty four seconds.
Speaker 1: He breaks that record in eighty eight, and you ended
Speaker 1: up breaking the record. Mike, you didn't break the record
Speaker 1: until two thousand, nineteen ninety nine, so that was eleven
Speaker 1: years later. And you, I think, if I'm not mistaken
Speaker 1: like you in your thirties, that's unheard of for a
Speaker 1: guy your age to keep pr and pushing the record.
Speaker 1: How were you able? Like you said, you had some
Speaker 1: injuries earlier, and maybe that what saved you is that
Speaker 1: you didn't burn your legs out early and you had
Speaker 1: some juice still in the tank late. So what was
Speaker 1: the process of going through and breaking that world record?
Speaker 1: Because you knew you were gonna have to have the
Speaker 1: perfect race, the perfect conditions, and the perfect people in
Speaker 1: the race to push you to that world Yeah.
Speaker 4: So my first year as a pro nineteen ninety, I
Speaker 4: ran forty three. I was running forty three two every
Speaker 4: time I stepped on the track, but I was That
Speaker 4: was my first year running the four hundred. I had
Speaker 4: never run, you mean forty four two. I had never
Speaker 4: really been running the four hundred, and at that point
Speaker 4: I was really a two hundred meter runner. So the
Speaker 4: first six years of my career I was focused on
Speaker 4: mostly the two hundred, primarily, even though in ninety six
Speaker 4: I ran both. In ninety five I bought won world
Speaker 4: championships in both. Ninety three I won the world championship
Speaker 4: in the four hundred.
Speaker 3: I would run.
Speaker 4: I would probably run my races every year. I'd probably
Speaker 4: be like, seventy five percent of my races are two hundred,
Speaker 4: twenty five percent of my races are four hundred, So
Speaker 4: I wasn't running a lot of four hundred. So I
Speaker 4: probably would have broken that four hundred meter world record
Speaker 4: a lot sooner had I been focused on that race.
Speaker 4: But I was focused on trying to break the two
Speaker 4: hundred meter world record first, and so I did that.
Speaker 4: Once I did that in ninety six, then I shifted
Speaker 4: my focus and started started running seventy five percent of
Speaker 4: my races were four hundreds, twenty five percent of my
Speaker 4: races were two hundred, because then once I had the
Speaker 4: world record in the two hundred, then I started focusing
Speaker 4: on breaking the world record in the four hundred. So
Speaker 4: it was like nineteen ninety six, I ran forty three
Speaker 4: thirty nine, which was a tenth of a second off
Speaker 4: the world record, which was forty three to twenty nine.
Speaker 4: It took me the next three years, and finally in
Speaker 4: ninety nine I got it because it was like, you
Speaker 4: just got to try to find those little areas in
Speaker 4: the make up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in that was in Seville. Perfect conditions. Uh,
Speaker 1: trans you you transition. Let me ask you this in
Speaker 1: ninety three. I think that was the time that you
Speaker 1: guys broke the world record at the World Chip at
Speaker 1: the World Championship in the two, in the four, in
Speaker 1: the four by four, Andrew Vaman led it off. I
Speaker 1: think he ran split forty four to five. Uh, he
Speaker 1: passed to Quincy Watts. I think Quincy ran sub forty
Speaker 1: three to five. He passed it. The Butcher rentals and
Speaker 1: then with you with nothing to prove, Mike, you got it.
Speaker 1: You guys have gotten this. You already got a thirty minute,
Speaker 1: you got already got a thirty meter lead. They hand
Speaker 1: you the baton, you go, what's going through your mind?
Speaker 1: Because that was the first time in the history that
Speaker 1: somebody had a sub forty three split into four hundred meters.
Speaker 3: You stepped on the gas. I think you ran forty
Speaker 3: two nine.
Speaker 1: What's going through your mind as you're going around the
Speaker 1: track and you got nothing? You got a thirty minute,
Speaker 1: thirty lead. Mike, what possessed you to do?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this is a story. This is crazy.
Speaker 4: So we broke the world record the year before nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety two, right, we just broke it by a little bit.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety two Olympics. I ran the two hundred. I
Speaker 4: didn't run the four hundred at the trials. I make
Speaker 4: the team in the two hundred. There's a debate about
Speaker 4: whether or not I should be on the four by
Speaker 4: four hundred meters because I'm gonna tell you go back
Speaker 4: the year before that, nineteen ninety one, my first world
Speaker 4: championship in the two hundred, US lost the four by
Speaker 4: four hundred meter relay to Great Britain because they didn't
Speaker 4: put me on that yet the hurdler, the herder probably
Speaker 4: ran down Pedigrew that you exactly right, Chris Akabusi ran down. Pettigrew.
Speaker 4: The team coach that year didn't like me, so he said, hey,
Speaker 4: we don't need Michael Johnson on out four hundred meter relay.
Speaker 4: He didn't run the four hundred meters at the trials.
Speaker 4: We don't need to put him on. We can win
Speaker 4: it without him. I'm readingumber one in the world, undefeated.
Speaker 3: For two years.
Speaker 4: Right, he does not put me on the four by four.
Speaker 4: They lose the next year in nineteen ninety two, I'm
Speaker 4: on the four by four. I got food poison right
Speaker 4: before the Olympics. You remember this, Shannon, We talked about this.
Speaker 4: So back then, what happened? So I got food poison,
Speaker 4: didn't make the final into two hundred. Theys like we
Speaker 4: still need you on the four box four. I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I'm not, I'm I'm I'm not even I'm a shell
Speaker 4: of myself. I can't even run that fast right now,
Speaker 4: they're like a seventy five percent. Michael Johnson is better
Speaker 4: than anybody else, So let's go each on the street
Speaker 4: line Like, okay, So my split in ninety two when
Speaker 4: we broke the world record, I was the weak leg
Speaker 4: on that relay. I was still remember I was I
Speaker 4: lost weight. I'm still feeling I think I split like
Speaker 4: forty four nine or even maybe even forty five flat.
Speaker 4: It was horrible, but we still broke the world record.
Speaker 4: So fast forward to what you're talking about. Ninety three.
Speaker 4: I had just won the four hundred, beat all of
Speaker 4: those guys. Now we're coming to get other in the
Speaker 4: four by four. Yeah, at that point, it's like I'm gonna,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I'm gonna make up for last year. And
Speaker 4: then also if we broke the world record last year
Speaker 4: with me at forty five flat, if I can put
Speaker 4: it down like what I'm normally used to doing. We're
Speaker 4: gonna put this world record to a point where I
Speaker 4: ain't know. We got a nonybody gonna break it for thirty years,
Speaker 4: and that's where we are today. Nobody else still broke
Speaker 4: that record, so it's got a grand fast fan. I
Speaker 4: ran forty two nine on the anchor.
Speaker 1: Mike, do you realize that the record that y'all originally
Speaker 1: broke with the nineteen sixty eighteen Matthews, Freeman, James, Louie Evans,
Speaker 1: do you realize outside of the Americans, nobody else has
Speaker 1: ever run a time like they ran in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: sixty fifteen.
Speaker 4: That two fifty Lee Evans, Larry James, those guys crazy.
Speaker 4: That's also where Lee broke the four hundred meters world
Speaker 4: record forty three eighty six.
Speaker 1: I believe it was forty three six. Larry James was said,
Speaker 1: I think didn't they didn't they? I think they might
Speaker 1: have took the one to him then, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've been dominant in the four hundred meters if
Speaker 1: you go back from from nineteen eighty four to two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, we dominated.
Speaker 4: Then it was sad to see what happened Mike, what happened?
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, You know, it does go in
Speaker 4: waves sometimes, but that shouldn't happen. We just had some
Speaker 4: like this cat Quincy Hall, right, what we always just
Speaker 4: talked about. You look at this profile. He has a
Speaker 4: dog on there, like a face of the dog, because
Speaker 4: he's a He's literally that, he's a dog, right, he
Speaker 4: is that that when you know the young kids say,
Speaker 4: oh he a dog.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: We didn't have that for a while. We did not
Speaker 4: have that for a while. I saw it and like, no,
Speaker 4: we didn't have that for a while. I mean, so
Speaker 4: right after me, it was Jeremy Warrener Taylor. You know,
Speaker 4: Jeremy was a dog. He's like, I don't care. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't care because he had that.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: If I lose, I lose, you know. If I lose,
Speaker 4: I lose, and I deal with that. Then. But the
Speaker 4: guys that come into an event coming to a race
Speaker 4: thinking about, well what happens if I lose? Before the race,
Speaker 4: you already lost, right, you already lost. And we had
Speaker 4: some of them, We had a few of them for
Speaker 4: a while. I think it's I think it's it's coming
Speaker 4: back now, coming back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: You know what, I would that that transitions me right
Speaker 5: into your next question, because I don't get ready to
Speaker 5: ask you what are your thoughts on the current state
Speaker 5: of track and field right now? And how do you
Speaker 5: see it evolve and based on where we are now,
Speaker 5: because you did just say it comes in waves, it
Speaker 5: goes in waves. Do you think we're right on the
Speaker 5: on the on the right track to kind of dominate
Speaker 5: in the sport again?
Speaker 7: And maybe the one, the two, and obviously the four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. Oho. So look, the Jamaican
Speaker 4: has been taking it to us for the last city.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean you got to give them credit.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a nation of less than three
Speaker 4: million people and they go toe to toe and sometimes
Speaker 4: like I said, and for the last sixteen years, they've
Speaker 4: been handing it to a nation of three hundred million people.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Where else does that? It's amazing. That's why
Speaker 4: the Jamaican brand from a sprint standpoint is so significant.
Speaker 4: They were known around the world as the sprint Capitol.
Speaker 4: They got great coaches, they got a lot of talent,
Speaker 4: and it used to be back when I was in college,
Speaker 4: all of the Jamaican athletes will come to the US
Speaker 4: for better training and facilities. Right around two thousand and
Speaker 4: six seven they stopped. They started they got some great
Speaker 4: coaches down there and they started saying, hey, just stay
Speaker 4: at home, we'll train you here. And that's when you
Speaker 4: saw that explosion. So you know, and it's just been
Speaker 4: it's been, it's been amazing. But you know, for us
Speaker 4: as the US, we saw what happened here in Paris.
Speaker 4: You know, Noah spread you know those guys, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not any And look at Jamaica's have found some
Speaker 4: new talent. Shane Thompson, Kabel obliek obliic Seville, those guys,
Speaker 4: they got some talent. You know, they had a little
Speaker 4: bit of a board after boat left and now they
Speaker 4: got some more talent. But us got some too on
Speaker 4: the men's side. On the women's side, the Jamaicans have
Speaker 4: been it's been ridiculous. I've never seen a situation where
Speaker 4: they had two of the greatest sprinders of all time
Speaker 4: and then found another one on top of that with
Speaker 4: Shrikan converted her from a four hundred meters to a
Speaker 4: one hundred two hundred meters sprend and then now you
Speaker 4: got another one. It was just it's been crazy that
Speaker 4: that's that doesn't happen all at the time. So now
Speaker 4: what we're seeing is okay, those they you know, Elaine
Speaker 4: is pretty much done. Her body's just not going to
Speaker 4: be able to former coach you even said that her
Speaker 4: body is just not gonna be able to do that anymore.
Speaker 4: So she's probably on the way out and probably going
Speaker 4: to retire here soon. Shelley Anne is done. She's the
Speaker 4: greatest of all time. She's done enough. She's retiring after
Speaker 4: this year. And so so this is the first time,
Speaker 4: like in this women's two hundred last night the other day,
Speaker 4: I mean Gaby with Gaby one, there was no woman
Speaker 4: tamake a woman in that in that final, and a
Speaker 4: Jamaican woman has I sided stature today. A Jamaican woman
Speaker 4: has medaled in the two hundred every year, every Olympic
Speaker 4: years since nineteen seventy six. So it goes in stages
Speaker 4: and goes in ways. I think the US is at
Speaker 4: a position where, I mean we're always at the top
Speaker 4: of the medal table. But the events you talked about,
Speaker 4: Ohod Spence, right, yes, said Avoyd for us the last
Speaker 4: few years, I think it's yeah, it's coming back. It's
Speaker 4: coming back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been having to share the table. You talked
Speaker 1: about Gabby Thomas. She ran blistering twenty one eighty two.
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at this before the Olympics,
Speaker 1: her pre race trial. She ran on the Diamond League
Speaker 1: and she faced Julian Alfred and she faced Dina asher Smith,
Speaker 1: and she let them get out and she came back
Speaker 1: in the last twenty meters. She was in third and
Speaker 1: within the with twenty meters to go, she shot the first.
Speaker 1: She did not make that mistake yesterday, Mike. She came
Speaker 1: when she came out that being, she was not bullgiling
Speaker 1: with Julian Alfred, she was not bullgiled with Dina asher Smith.
Speaker 1: She said, I am going to drop the hammer. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave no doubt in your mind that this race
Speaker 1: is over. And when she stepped out of the corn,
Speaker 1: when she stepped out of that.
Speaker 5: Being, heyst when she when she came when she came
Speaker 5: over that curve. Yeah, when she came up that curve
Speaker 5: by that one one fifty that one fifty one for
Speaker 5: whatever whatever it may be, Man, that was that was
Speaker 5: a wrap.
Speaker 4: She she's a very unique athlete. She's got ranged from
Speaker 4: one hundred to four hundred. She's world class all of them.
Speaker 4: She's the ten nine one hundred meter runner, She's a
Speaker 4: uh sub fifty second forty nine low four hundred meter runners.
Speaker 4: She could improve on both of those. So she has
Speaker 4: that perfect combination. She got long stride and two hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like Alison Felix. And yeah, and you know she was bronze.
Speaker 4: Gaby was bronze in twenty twenty one at the last Olympics,
Speaker 4: and and and this was the redemption and so yeah,
Speaker 4: it was it was. It was great to see. It's
Speaker 4: good to see her winning. It's good to see her
Speaker 4: bringing come back to the US under two hundred two?
Speaker 1: Mike, would you like to see her even though she
Speaker 1: hasn't run, I would like to see her on the
Speaker 1: four hundred. I think she should run a leg on
Speaker 1: the four hundred meter relay, kind of like Alison Felix.
Speaker 3: We know Alison, and yeah, she's.
Speaker 4: Run on that four by one before she ran on the.
Speaker 3: Fourth one, No run four. She's running both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's got on both and she's always in the
Speaker 4: relay pool for both. So last year Budapest World Championshi
Speaker 4: was I think she was on that four bout one
Speaker 4: and four by four. I know in you twenty two
Speaker 4: she was on both relays. Yeah, so she's gonna she's
Speaker 4: put herself like an Alison Felix in the because she
Speaker 4: runs the open Racers show. She ran one hundred meters
Speaker 4: four hundred meters. She's run open four hundreds and one
Speaker 4: hundreds against world class competition early in the season to
Speaker 4: put her name in it. So you got like, like
Speaker 4: Noah is talking about, you know, coming into these Olympics,
Speaker 4: like he wanted to be on the four bout four.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, you can't run any four hundred. That's nobody.
Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna put you on the four bout four hundred
Speaker 4: if you haven't gone out there and run against people
Speaker 4: world class.
Speaker 3: In the four hundred. What about Noah?
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody was thinking about talking about Kashane, and
Speaker 1: rightfully so he jumped out there. He ran ninety seven
Speaker 1: seven at his trials and the only thing that I
Speaker 1: had concerns about I've never seen him run like this
Speaker 1: on a global stage. Running like this at your trials
Speaker 1: are one thing, and we've seen guys, might guys at
Speaker 1: men and women run great at their trials run great,
Speaker 1: but when they get to that global stage, they don't perform.
Speaker 1: Because the heaviest thing you can carry as an individual
Speaker 1: athlete is expectations. The expectations what he had following you
Speaker 1: saying boat, what he's done the world fastest times this year?
Speaker 1: And no Allows says, sometimes you got to and that's
Speaker 1: exactly what he did.
Speaker 3: I think he needed to just get out with him here.
Speaker 1: The reaction time was very close to k Shane Thompson,
Speaker 1: and I felt if he could make him run because
Speaker 1: nobody had made him run one hundred meters. Everybody was
Speaker 1: out of the race at eighty meters, and he could
Speaker 1: drop off the gas. Noah Allows and Fred Curly made
Speaker 1: him run a full one hundred meet is we saw?
Speaker 4: Now you exactly right? So what happened was and Kashane
Speaker 4: is massive talent. I means huge talent. He is going
Speaker 4: to be a force to be reckoned with, just because
Speaker 4: he's still very young. This was his first championship ever
Speaker 4: of any kind. He never been in a World championship
Speaker 4: or any kind of Olympic Games, none of that. Never
Speaker 4: done that, So that was my only concern with him
Speaker 4: as well. I saw the nine seven seven. I saw
Speaker 4: his other races and they were very impressive, very impressive.
Speaker 4: So on paper, yeah, it looked like, yeah he should
Speaker 4: he should win it, or he could win. But like
Speaker 4: you said, Shanny, you got to come in here and
Speaker 4: you got to actually do it. The issue for him,
Speaker 4: I don't think it was so much the you know,
Speaker 4: like the expectation of the pressure from the Jamaicans, you know,
Speaker 4: which can be heavy, but they typically did. Jamaican athletes
Speaker 4: typically handle pressure well. The coaches do a really good
Speaker 4: job of bringing them up as young athletes, as juniors
Speaker 4: and helping them to understand how to navigate the pressure
Speaker 4: of a championship. Is shoe for Kashane was he had
Speaker 4: never been pressured at the end of the race.
Speaker 3: This race, he.
Speaker 4: Was, but it wasn't by Noah because Noah was way
Speaker 4: over on the other side of the t and you
Speaker 4: could see what he could see was big Fred Curly
Speaker 4: and Fred is big like Kashane. They both big dudes, right,
Speaker 4: and that looming figure beside you right there with you
Speaker 4: can possibly make you tighten up. He was, he was,
Speaker 4: and he had a Connie Sambini from South Africa on
Speaker 4: his other side, and Kanye had been running really really well.
Speaker 4: Also at ninety meters eighty meters, both of those guys
Speaker 4: are right there. So for the first time in his life,
Speaker 4: he finds himself Kashane in an irate race. It's not
Speaker 4: about now, it's not about it's not about execution of
Speaker 4: your own race and all that. You find yourself in
Speaker 4: a race, So what do you do in that moment,
Speaker 4: at that point that eighty meters you are already running
Speaker 4: as fast as you possibly can run. The only way
Speaker 4: you can get yourself to that finish line quicker than
Speaker 4: last twenty meters is to focus on maintaining form. And
Speaker 4: what's gonna be is gonna be. That's a hard thing
Speaker 4: to do because your instinct is run faster and hunk
Speaker 4: her down. As soon as you do that, your body
Speaker 4: tightens up. It tightens up, and that's exactly what happened
Speaker 4: with him. You watch his nine seven seven flewid the
Speaker 4: whole way. You watch that race the other night, last
Speaker 4: twenty meters. He's here, you know, like a boxer, and
Speaker 4: he's not just doing this thing, And meanwhile, you got
Speaker 4: no over there just doing his tha the long life,
Speaker 4: relaxed and running through the finish line and there you go.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like Sha Carrie. If you remember
Speaker 1: in the World Championship, Sha Carrie was in lane seven
Speaker 1: and then you had although you had the Jamaican if
Speaker 1: you had everybody bunch, and Sharika couldn't see your care
Speaker 1: way outside in lane seventh and the next thing she knows,
Speaker 1: she looks up like.
Speaker 4: And she was way over at nine. Because the thing
Speaker 4: is what happened was she ended up getting an atrocious
Speaker 4: start in that semi final lim Budapest last year in
Speaker 4: the World Championships, didn't get a great start that her
Speaker 4: frequency was so inact. But what happened was, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you the truth, right in that race that semifinal,
Speaker 4: she didn't get a great start, didn't and she carry
Speaker 4: at that point had not proven herself to be a
Speaker 4: real championship racer, to be able to to do what
Speaker 4: Noah did. She had shown herself to be more like
Speaker 4: what we saw in Kashane to tighten up a little
Speaker 4: bit at the end, went under pressure right in that semifinal,
Speaker 4: she tightened up and ended up having to qualify on time.
Speaker 4: She wasn't an automatic qualifier to the final. She was
Speaker 4: the last person again and they took. There was three semifinals,
Speaker 4: they take the top two. She was third, so she
Speaker 4: ends up having to wait for the other semifinals to
Speaker 4: finish and finds that okay, I had one of the
Speaker 4: fastest two losing times, which means I get in. She
Speaker 4: gets in the final because she was had the slow
Speaker 4: time in that semi final and finished her. She ends
Speaker 4: up way over in lay nine and not in the heat.
Speaker 4: That benefited her because she's over there, able to run
Speaker 4: her own race, not coming to any pressure. When's the
Speaker 4: World Championship. We all know Sha Carrie's fast. We all
Speaker 4: know she's been fast. We all know that she's got
Speaker 4: massive talent coming into this Olympics running fast times against
Speaker 4: a lot of the Americans and everybody else. Get here. Look,
Speaker 4: this is what happened. I'm just telling you the truths.
Speaker 4: People can love Sha Carry, hate Sha Carry. You can
Speaker 4: call me a hater for saying, but I'm just telling
Speaker 4: you the truth of what is happening here. What happened
Speaker 4: was in that race. She's now under pressure. She didn't
Speaker 4: get a great start. She never gets grace to start,
Speaker 4: and that's fine if you can then come through at
Speaker 4: the end. But she got one of her worst starts,
Speaker 4: one of the worst starts. Last just left in the blocks,
Speaker 4: and now you're back in the race. You got to
Speaker 4: get back in it, but now you under pressure because
Speaker 4: Julian is gone, gone. Yes, right, but that never was
Speaker 4: able to get back in it. But that race was
Speaker 4: over before it starts. If you look at Sha carry
Speaker 4: it out, and it was so surprising, even to me.
Speaker 4: You look at her coming out before that race started,
Speaker 4: and she looked scared. She did not look confident. She
Speaker 4: did not look like she was like, I'm in champion,
Speaker 4: you know, mindset, I'm about to go out here and
Speaker 4: take what's mind And she just didn't look like that.
Speaker 1: And and oh, Mike o'cho and I talked about it.
Speaker 1: I said it, that's what I say, though, I say
Speaker 1: she didn't seem like herself. Now, what role did the
Speaker 1: warm up? Because it would be reported that the athletes
Speaker 1: got that didn't ride the bus from the Olympic village
Speaker 1: and had to go into a separate entrance. She had
Speaker 1: that situation of Rise Shelley and Fraser Price had that issue.
Speaker 1: So how much how leg of a difference did the
Speaker 1: warm up? Did he properly warm.
Speaker 4: Up from what I understand they what happened was they
Speaker 4: have been going through They weren't staying at the village, right,
Speaker 4: So there's some athletes that don't stay at the village.
Speaker 4: I never stayed at the village. So you have your
Speaker 4: own transportation, you're not riding the team bus, you have
Speaker 4: your own car, drive, and all of that. I would
Speaker 4: always have to go to the US team and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm not staying the village. I have my own car,
Speaker 4: I have my own drive, I have my own stuff.
Speaker 4: I need a pass to get through, right, So they
Speaker 4: would give it to me, or they would say, okay, well,
Speaker 4: if we can't give you a pass, you have to
Speaker 4: meet us and then jump on the bus. But you
Speaker 4: can come from your place, come to the village or
Speaker 4: whatever would meet you and you get on and jump on.
Speaker 4: They were getting through that gate for the first couple
Speaker 4: of days, no problem, and then the next day they
Speaker 4: I guess they clamped down and said, no, this is
Speaker 4: not supposed to be happening. You can't come through this.
Speaker 4: I've heard two different stories. I've heard that they had
Speaker 4: to walk an hour, which I've only heard that from
Speaker 4: a source that he wasn't really that reliable. The other
Speaker 4: source I heard said, and what I've heard more consistently,
Speaker 4: is there was another gate that wasn't that far down
Speaker 4: that they did have to walk but it was just
Speaker 4: on the other side of the warm up fair and
Speaker 4: they had to walk down there and get in. So
Speaker 4: and I've heard from very reliable sources that they had
Speaker 4: all of the time they needed to walk up. That's
Speaker 4: what I've heard, so I don't nothing official has come
Speaker 4: out yet, but that's what has been reported, so I
Speaker 4: don't think that that was an issue. The Jamaican camp
Speaker 4: has reported that Shelley and Fraser Price did not drop
Speaker 4: out of that semi final because of that. She dropped
Speaker 4: out because she had been dealing with an injury and
Speaker 4: a flare back up, and she had been dealing with
Speaker 4: injuries earlier this season.
Speaker 1: What about Srika? Why did Serika drop out? Has she
Speaker 1: been dealing with injuries? Because it seemed like a lot
Speaker 1: of the Jamaican women she hadn't run really great this year,
Speaker 1: so has she been dealing with it?
Speaker 4: She got injured actually in a track meet and stopped
Speaker 4: on the track about three weeks before the game. So
Speaker 4: it was always questionable coming into this whether she was
Speaker 4: even it was just a matter of how serious that
Speaker 4: injury was. And so first she gets here, they were
Speaker 4: being very and a lot of the jama Con fans
Speaker 4: are sort of upset right now because the coaches and
Speaker 4: the team were being very, you know, sort of clandestine about,
Speaker 4: you know, well, how serious is an injury. They want
Speaker 4: to know. These are our athletes, We support them. They
Speaker 4: want to know, you know, what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: What can you know?
Speaker 4: Don't get us getting our hopes built up if the
Speaker 4: athlete is injured. They never really said, you know. And
Speaker 4: then so she pulls out of one hundred, out of
Speaker 4: the two hundred. The day before the one hundred, she
Speaker 4: pulled out one hundred, said I'm just gonna run two hundred.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna run the two hundred. She never said why,
Speaker 4: and then so we all knew why. And then then
Speaker 4: the day before the two hundred she pulls out of
Speaker 4: that as well.
Speaker 1: Right, Mike, handicap, handicap, this is two hundred meters. You
Speaker 1: got Noahllows, who's the American record holder. You got Kung
Speaker 1: Fu Kady who's run subten nine nineteen six. You have
Speaker 1: Aaron knighton who's run a blister return. You have a
Speaker 1: Tobogo the book Swana, who's run unbelievable hand to cap this?
Speaker 1: Can we sweep the podium? Will we sweep the podium?
Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna happen between Noah and Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be left. Let's talk about silver
Speaker 4: and brons because gold is gone. I mean, Noah's a
Speaker 4: three time world champion. I mean, I you know, as
Speaker 4: far as the one hundred, yeah, you know, he proved
Speaker 4: himself right now. No, and that's a good thing about Noah.
Speaker 4: You know, Noah doesn't have to prove anybody wrong. He
Speaker 4: don't care about what everybody else think. He's gonna prove
Speaker 4: that he's right. And that's what he did one hundred
Speaker 4: where there was some doubts. I even had my doubts
Speaker 4: at some points, but the two hundred meters, there is
Speaker 4: no doubt. Anybody saying that Noah's not gonna win the
Speaker 4: two hundred meters is an absolute certified hater and they
Speaker 4: just don't want him to win. But they're still not
Speaker 4: gonna get their way. Nobody in their right mind doing
Speaker 4: true analytical analysis and handicapping of this race is going
Speaker 4: to say that, No, it's not gonna win. He's a
Speaker 4: three time world champion, he haven't lost him forever, so
Speaker 4: he's gonna win it. I think behind him that's gonna
Speaker 4: be a battle with Yeah, Kenny bedn rig Arian Knight
Speaker 4: and you can. I mean, let's go Tobogo who was uh?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Was he bronze?
Speaker 1: He wrote the world record in the three hundred meters
Speaker 1: and ran forty four low in the in the four
Speaker 1: hundred meters?
Speaker 4: That kid, unbelieved unbelievable, silver medalist in the one hundred
Speaker 4: meters last year, bronze, uh, silver and uh and bronze
Speaker 4: in the two hundred last year. So he's a he's
Speaker 4: not a political kid. But he lost his mom uh
Speaker 4: just four months ago? Uh did it back? Not even
Speaker 4: in back in May. So really sad young kid though
Speaker 4: great talent. He'll be in there. He was disappointed in
Speaker 4: his uh in his one hundred meters where he finished
Speaker 4: I believe fifth, But he'll be in there and uh
Speaker 4: and then yeah and you got you got Kenny Arian. Yeah,
Speaker 4: those guys are gonna be battling for for bronze and
Speaker 4: silver and and the one person that you know just
Speaker 4: just for just because Andre Degrass from from Canada. This
Speaker 4: cat always finds his way in finals. He didn't for
Speaker 4: the first time. He didn't make his way in that
Speaker 4: one hundred meters final. But he always finds his way.
Speaker 4: So just for good measure, put him in there as
Speaker 4: somebody fault us. He might actually sneak up and get
Speaker 4: a medal too. Let's handicap this.
Speaker 1: I mean, just what everybody's talking about the four hundred
Speaker 1: meter hurdles. You got Allison Do Santo's, you got Carston, Walholme,
Speaker 1: you got Roe Benjamin and on the women's side it's
Speaker 1: a two. It's a two women race. It's famicable and
Speaker 1: Sydney Bigelock. Let's take the men first. Rit's been running exceptional. Carston,
Speaker 1: he hadn't been at the top like he normally is.
Speaker 1: Do Santo's. We know he can go sub forty seven.
Speaker 1: All these guys, what do you think the winning time
Speaker 1: is gonna be? Are we on world record alert? In
Speaker 1: the four hundred men and the men's four hundred meter?
Speaker 4: I would never say nothing. I'm saying that this track
Speaker 4: is ridiculous. It's it's even faster in the Tokyo track.
Speaker 4: This this track really fast.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a new it's a new type of server.
Speaker 4: It's mondo, yeah, but it's fast. All the athletes have
Speaker 4: been talking about it and they did some some some
Speaker 4: different stuff anyway, So it's possible. It's absolutely possible because
Speaker 4: those three guys are the best ever and they are
Speaker 4: all coming right at the right time. Carston is having
Speaker 4: a good season, but he's just not raced as much.
Speaker 4: But he trains so in such a unique way that
Speaker 4: he trains to be able to run the four hunchimeter
Speaker 4: hurdles all out, which is just crazy. That's the way
Speaker 4: they train, just so strong and it's all about strength.
Speaker 4: So he's going to go from the gun and all that,
Speaker 4: and he only knows one speed and only one way
Speaker 4: to run, and that's all out record. Rye is a
Speaker 4: sub twenty second two hundred meter runner, a sub ten
Speaker 4: second one hundred meter runner, and a forty four low
Speaker 4: four hundred meter runner, so he's got speed like nobody
Speaker 4: else in that race. He's got way more speed than
Speaker 4: Carston or Allison. But he hasn't in the years past
Speaker 4: been able to struggle with a few injuries and then
Speaker 4: hasn't been able to figure out how to use that
Speaker 4: speed in the hurdles to be able to stay with Carston.
Speaker 4: But I think he has now, So it's going to
Speaker 4: be it's going to be a battle. That's going to
Speaker 4: be a very interesting race. I think it could come
Speaker 4: down to the wire with all three of those guys,
Speaker 4: those Santos, all three of those guys aren't afraid to lose,
Speaker 4: you know, they all go out there and put it
Speaker 4: on the line. So yeah, that's going to be a
Speaker 4: good one one on the web side. Look, man, you know, everybody,
Speaker 4: you know. The thing about that is, you know it
Speaker 4: is a rivalry because the very definition of a rivalry
Speaker 4: is people competing against each other. They all want the
Speaker 4: same thing and only one can win, and that is
Speaker 4: this case. But it's not a back and forth rivalry.
Speaker 4: Has never beaten Sydney. She won the world championship last year,
Speaker 4: far square. She's an amazing athlete, but she hasn't beaten Sydney.
Speaker 3: Wasn't there.
Speaker 4: She's never beaten Sydney this year because having the season
Speaker 4: of her life four one hundred meters indoor world record,
Speaker 4: she's running some amazing times. You saw her run that
Speaker 4: blistering leg on the four by four mixed for about
Speaker 4: four on the second day of these these these Olympics,
Speaker 4: and that was impressive. But you got to then look
Speaker 4: at Sydney. Sidney's Sidney broke the world record again just
Speaker 4: a couple of months ago. She ran coming into the
Speaker 4: Olympic trials. Even after that, she had the second fast time,
Speaker 4: second fast time in the world in the two hundred
Speaker 4: two hundred flat. You know, I mean so so you know,
Speaker 4: I don't see Sydney losing this unless she underperformed some
Speaker 4: kind of way, which she typically just doesn't do. I
Speaker 4: think Fimkah is the nearest challenger. That's why we talk
Speaker 4: about Sidney versus Semka, because she is the nearest challenger.
Speaker 4: I think it'll be Sydney and I think that Fimka.
Speaker 4: The gap may be closer this year than it's been
Speaker 4: in the past, but I think it's still gonna be
Speaker 4: a gap, and then you're gonna have everybody else battling
Speaker 4: for for third. But look, that's why we have the races.
Speaker 4: You know. I come Binger Berenson was supposed to d
Speaker 4: under fifteen hundred meters and no, that did not happen.
Speaker 4: He ended up out of the medals and you got
Speaker 4: Cole Hawker is the Olympic champion in the fifteen hundred.
Speaker 1: Right, Hey, when you mentioned Ry the foot speed that
Speaker 1: he has, and it seems like he's trained, he's changed
Speaker 1: a little bit that he's not afraid now to drop
Speaker 1: the hammer to go out. It's like, okay, catch me
Speaker 1: instead of and because because he has that kind of
Speaker 1: hundred meter speed, because he has that kind of su
Speaker 1: two hundred meter speeds and the open four, like you said,
Speaker 1: he's faster than all these guys at all three disciplines.
Speaker 1: If you line them up one hundred meters, a two
Speaker 1: hundred meters and an open four, Roy Benjamin will outrun
Speaker 1: both guys Carsta Walholme and Yo Santos. Now it's if
Speaker 1: you watch him now, Mike, he's he's running that race
Speaker 1: a little different than what he has.
Speaker 4: Ryan is smart enough to know that you can't just
Speaker 4: use that speed any kind of way you want when
Speaker 4: you got ten hurdles to clear. That could be a
Speaker 4: detriment to you if you did the wrong way. And
Speaker 4: he's been trying to figure out how to use it
Speaker 4: in the right way. And I think he's I think
Speaker 4: my senses that he's figured it out now. You know
Speaker 4: his coaches Quincy Watts and Quinceland while of me a
Speaker 4: couple of months ago that you know, it's.
Speaker 3: A new Rye.
Speaker 4: He's like, look this guy, he's he's he's. What he's
Speaker 4: been seeing in practice indicates to him that Ryot is
Speaker 4: going to be running some some some some special times
Speaker 4: this year.
Speaker 1: Mike, we're gonna get you out on this. You established
Speaker 1: a new league Grand Slam Track. The league has said
Speaker 1: the revolution out of the track world, with like tennis
Speaker 1: golf schedule, four major championship Slams each year. Slams would
Speaker 1: take place in four global cities, two domestic in the US,
Speaker 1: two internationals. Starting in spring of twenty twenty five. Forty
Speaker 1: eight of the fastest racers in the world would be
Speaker 1: signed to compete in all four Slams. In the other
Speaker 1: half field would be filled by challengers looking to prove,
Speaker 1: oh I'm making a racer. What made what's what was
Speaker 1: the concept behind this and what made you decide to
Speaker 1: come up with your own track?
Speaker 4: And you know, like what we're talking about in the
Speaker 4: excitement that both of you guys, we both talked about
Speaker 4: track before we all talk we we both talk about
Speaker 4: track all the time. I talk to both of you
Speaker 4: guys over the years about track, and y'all are excited
Speaker 4: about it. You want to see, right, you want to
Speaker 4: see track. You see it during the Olympics. You get excited,
Speaker 4: and then the Olympics are over and it's like, I
Speaker 4: want to see some more track. You can't find it.
Speaker 4: It's out there, but it's fractured. It's not organized a scale.
Speaker 4: The athletes on organize that scale. The meets don't pay
Speaker 4: the athletes enough, so they don't really want to compete
Speaker 4: in those meets because it's not worth their while, right,
Speaker 4: they don't want to travel all the way to the
Speaker 4: other side of the world and hey, if I win,
Speaker 4: you're gonna pay me ten thousand dollars. These athletes, the
Speaker 4: best athletes in the world, do make good money. They
Speaker 4: just don't make the type of money they should be
Speaker 4: making because the sport isn't doesn't have enough visibility in
Speaker 4: those times in between the Olympic Games. So that's what
Speaker 4: Grand Slam track is about. So if you think about
Speaker 4: tennis every four years, you know you got your four
Speaker 4: Grand Slams Wimbledon, US Open, Australian Open, French Open. You
Speaker 4: know you got your four golf majors every year, and
Speaker 4: those are the ones that the best athletes want to
Speaker 4: be at and they want to compete there. It's big
Speaker 4: prize money, it's best of the best. Fans get into that,
Speaker 4: they know those athletes are going to be there. That's
Speaker 4: what we're doing with track, So the best of the
Speaker 4: best athletes, the best racers. We're not we're not doing
Speaker 4: field events. We don't we need to. We want to
Speaker 4: focus on just the racing. Who want to focus on
Speaker 4: just the fastest people and where we can storytell around
Speaker 4: that get people to understand who these athletes are. Like UFC,
Speaker 4: like WWE, like Formula One, like golf, like tennis, these
Speaker 4: athletes are the best. So when we organize them and
Speaker 4: next April when we start, you will be able to
Speaker 4: see the same sort of stories, the same sort of
Speaker 4: all of this stuff. We're talking about handicapping this race, Hey,
Speaker 4: what's going to happen in that race? That doesn't happen
Speaker 4: in track and field outside of the Olympics. But starting
Speaker 4: next year when we launch ground some track, it will
Speaker 4: who that's lying.
Speaker 3: Excited for you? I can't wait. Hopefully we can be
Speaker 3: a part of it.
Speaker 1: Anything that we can do as far as you know
Speaker 1: talking about it on Nightcap, we love.
Speaker 4: To we we got to get you guys in to
Speaker 4: the meet and and then and we will have a
Speaker 4: celebrity race too. So I need to see it.
Speaker 3: I know, challenge the meet to racist man.
Speaker 5: And like I said, hey, hey, Mike, whenever you read it, baby,
Speaker 5: one foot in front of the other, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 5: gonna win.
Speaker 3: I got, I got two artificial helps, so both of
Speaker 3: y'all go past me. So I'm good.
Speaker 1: Mike handicapped this the four hundred meters we got Karanie James,
Speaker 1: he ran the fastest time. He ran forty three seventy eight,
Speaker 1: his fastest time since twenty sixteen. Matthew Hudson Smith, who
Speaker 1: has the world's fastest time this year. You mentioned Quincy Hall,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Michael Norman, who underperformed in Tokyo, and he's
Speaker 1: put together some races. He's run forty three four, but
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, on the global stage, he has been
Speaker 1: unable to put it together.
Speaker 3: So if you had the handicap this for me four
Speaker 3: hundred meters, who you like.
Speaker 4: It's tough man, because if everybody ran their best, Michael
Speaker 4: Norman wins that race. He's fashion everybody else sub ten,
Speaker 4: sub twenty second hundred to some two hundred. But like
Speaker 4: you said, you look at his history, he underperforms more
Speaker 4: often than he reaches his potential. So and he didn't
Speaker 4: look in that semi final. He left it late.
Speaker 3: He did, he looked better. He looks like exactly. So
Speaker 3: he just goes like blank.
Speaker 4: Sometimes. Quincy is also his coach, and I've talked to
Speaker 4: Quincy about it, and Quincy tries to work with him,
Speaker 4: and it's just Michael's got to be able to focus
Speaker 4: in the race. But so so I would It'd be
Speaker 4: hard for me to say that he's gonna win it.
Speaker 4: He shouldn't medal, he should win it, But I'd say medal,
Speaker 4: I'd say right now, I would go Matthew Hudson Smith
Speaker 4: or Quincy Hall. Quincy Hall is a dog and Nick
Speaker 4: you're just man. He just and he's new to it
Speaker 4: techniques a little bit on at the docks, but I
Speaker 4: had on authodox technique. You know, it's like and I don't.
Speaker 4: He's he can clean it up a little bit at
Speaker 4: the end, but right now it's working. You know, just
Speaker 4: keep doing what you're doing. I wouldn't try to change
Speaker 4: this technique in the middle, so I would if I
Speaker 4: was gonna go out on a limb, I'd say those
Speaker 4: two are gonna be balanced. But Karani looks good and
Speaker 4: he got so much experience he got he already has
Speaker 4: any Olympics four hundred meter final. He's got a goal
Speaker 4: A and a BRONC goal, so he's gonna get another.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna get another one of them in
Speaker 4: this Olympics. So I think he's on the podium. But
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a really good race. And
Speaker 4: that's what gets me excited. You know when it's you know,
Speaker 4: not like that. You don't want to have these races
Speaker 4: where there's one clear person like way ahead and you
Speaker 4: know that they're gonna win and nobody's gonna touch him.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, Noah's rased like you interesting enough because
Speaker 4: it's no and he makes it interesting. But we already
Speaker 4: know who's gonna win that race. That's not as fun
Speaker 4: as this race where it's like if you race this
Speaker 4: race four or five times, you might get four or
Speaker 4: five different outcomes.
Speaker 1: Right, One last question, Mike, could you see us where
Speaker 1: Sydney wins the Olympic the four hundred meter hurdles, and
Speaker 1: Bobby says, okay, that's enough of that. We're gonna focus
Speaker 1: on taking down that thirty five forty year old record
Speaker 1: of Manarina Coke forty seven to sixty. Could you see
Speaker 1: a situation where where they focus and she goes from
Speaker 1: the four hundred meter hurdles to the open four hundred.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you that that is the situation. That is
Speaker 4: the situation, Sydney. The only reason Sydney's running four hundred
Speaker 4: meter hurdles this year at the Olympics is because she
Speaker 4: wants to put that world record so far out there.
Speaker 4: She knows that if she leaves that world record too soft,
Speaker 4: it's not soft, it's unbelievable, but she knows that Themka
Speaker 4: could possibly come and break it and then she'd have
Speaker 4: to come back into the event to try to keep that.
Speaker 4: So her position is, I'm gonna try to put it
Speaker 4: out there so far that then I can leave it
Speaker 4: and it's it's safe with Memas not gonna be able
Speaker 4: to go get it. Now, I'll go over here, and
Speaker 4: now I'll go over here and focus on this open
Speaker 4: four hundred, because remember last year she didn't run for
Speaker 4: the World Championships last year. She decided, I'm want to
Speaker 4: focus on the four hundred. That's what she did at
Speaker 4: the beginning of the season, but then decided to just
Speaker 4: shut it down for the season. So yeah, so I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, yeah, I do see that scenario. I think
Speaker 4: that's exactly what's going to happen. You know, she's a
Speaker 4: first Could you see her cliding grand some check. We
Speaker 4: already signed her. She was the first person we signed.
Speaker 3: And Josh Kirk, could you see her going sub fifty
Speaker 3: in the full end the hurdles.
Speaker 4: I think that's her goal. I think that's what she
Speaker 4: wants to do. This track is fast, and now it's
Speaker 4: just a matter of whether or not she can go
Speaker 4: out there and put it together. But I think then
Speaker 4: in her mind, yeah, she thinks that that's where she
Speaker 4: she can take this event.
Speaker 1: Well if she put that thing sub forty, So she
Speaker 1: goes sub fifty and the four hundred hurdles for the women,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody touching that anytime soon.
Speaker 4: I agree. I agree, Mike.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Bro, Hey, I really appreciate you taking time
Speaker 1: out of your day. Man.
Speaker 3: Like I said, Mike and I we go back a
Speaker 3: long low way.
Speaker 1: I used to see him all the time here and
Speaker 1: my boy Ray Crock are the best friends, and so
Speaker 1: he used to be in all the game and talking
Speaker 1: and so we it's great to catch up with you, Mike.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate nightcap. The fans are gonna love this interview. Man,
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Enjoyed the recter the Olympics,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you in Aproyd.
Speaker 4: All right, thanks, Man, appreciate you. Shane, appreciate you. Ojoe, Yes, Jerry,
Speaker 4: all right, man.
Speaker 1: Guys, we really hope you enjoyed that interview. That was
Speaker 1: Michael Johnson. Yes, that interview was pre recorder. You have
Speaker 1: to realize there's a nine hour time difference between myself
Speaker 1: and Mike. There's a six hour time difference between Ocho
Speaker 1: and Mike. So we had to pre record that early
Speaker 1: in the morning. He was obligated, he's a BBC for
Speaker 1: him to take time out of his schedule to give
Speaker 1: us some insight and handicap some of these races and
Speaker 1: offer some insight because you're talking about one of the
Speaker 1: greatest sprinters of all time. He is the greatest four
Speaker 1: hundred meters sprinter in the history, and it's not even close.
Speaker 1: He held the world record at three different disciplines hundred meters,
Speaker 1: three hundred meters to four hundred. Now he still has
Speaker 1: the American record at three hundred meters and four hundred meters,
Speaker 1: and so for him to take time to give it
Speaker 1: with us, we greatly appreciate your time and patience.
Speaker 3: And we had a great time talking with Mike. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I've known Mike thirty years.
Speaker 1: Uh, and uh, we're glad we got some other Olympians
Speaker 1: that's gonna be joining the show tomorrow and I think Friday.
Speaker 1: So we got a couple of more Olympians, people that
Speaker 1: actually competed. You're not gonna tell them. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. I'm not gonna tell him afterward. They gotta
Speaker 1: wait and see.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, okay, yeah, So oh y'all.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get right into it tonight. Well, like I said,
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys enjoyed in that interview. And again, oh
Speaker 1: cho and I we're gonna have I think tomorrow and Friday,
Speaker 1: we will have people that actually participated in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: So give you their forgive you their experience what it
Speaker 1: was like the electricity and the atmosphere of them winning.
Speaker 3: So thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Uh So, without any further ado, Oh Joe, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get right into our last segment of the night, and
Speaker 1: it's called Q and A.
Speaker 3: M hmmm, Uh, oh Joe, stand up.
Speaker 1: Stan asked the question, Uh, would you put Noah on
Speaker 1: the four by four for the four gold medals? No,
Speaker 1: because he can't outrun anybody that's in the medal pool.
Speaker 1: He didn't run any four hundreds. As why you heard
Speaker 1: Michael say Gabby has run four hundreds, Sidney has run
Speaker 1: four hundreds, so they put their name into the pool.
Speaker 1: Ry has run four hundreds.
Speaker 3: He hasn't.
Speaker 1: So who on that relay team? Is he gonna outrun Rye?
Speaker 1: Is he outrunn outrun Chris Bailey? Is he gonna outrun
Speaker 1: Quincy Hall? Is he out gonna run Ernie nor Wood?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna outrun dead Man?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: No, we're not No, it's not no. No, you don't
Speaker 3: get gifts here.
Speaker 1: If he wanted to be considered taking for the four
Speaker 1: hundred meter relay, he should have run.
Speaker 3: Some four hundredths, Oh Joe, to get those up under
Speaker 3: his belt, so he could have been entered into the pool.
Speaker 1: Right, That's how it works. That's how Alison Felix did it.
Speaker 1: That's how Abby Steiner did it. So yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: how it works. But no, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: he's I don't think he should and I don't think
Speaker 1: he will. Uh d Love said in Track and fee field,
Speaker 1: are those staggers starting positioning the two hundred, four hundred
Speaker 1: and eight hundred meter really the same distance for each runner?
Speaker 1: You do realize, like, yes, But the thing is with
Speaker 1: the eight hundred meters. While you start out, you only
Speaker 1: you and the four hundred and the two hundred, you
Speaker 1: have to stay in your lane all the way around.
Speaker 1: In the eight hundred meter, you start those staggers and
Speaker 1: then you get at a certain point you get to
Speaker 1: cross over, and then everybody's in the first two lanes basically.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but they are if you have to stay
Speaker 3: in those all the way around, then absolutely are the
Speaker 3: same distance. Yeah, because you don't have I mean the bend.
Speaker 1: It's hard to win from lane one though, to win
Speaker 1: the two hundred because if you remember the Americans, the women,
Speaker 1: what was that was that real?
Speaker 3: Might have been real? Was it real? It might have
Speaker 3: been real? Ojo. We were won the four by one.
Speaker 3: The women from lane one. Remember they ended.
Speaker 1: Up the ladies knocked the baton out of Allison Felix
Speaker 1: and the exchange partner. They picked it up, finished, protested,
Speaker 1: they had to run by themselves. They qualified, They got
Speaker 1: lane one and ended up running and winning the gold
Speaker 1: medal from laye one.
Speaker 3: That was that was real twenty sixteen.
Speaker 7: Yeah they got out bright Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Keimper Norwood Jr. Said Oh do you think I could
Speaker 1: beat Ojo in AE hundred meter dash?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, stop playing, man, Ojo, Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: Pull them on.
Speaker 7: I still training like I'm playing. I ain't pulling nothing.
Speaker 1: Told the people yesterday, oh Joe, ain't nothing, do nothing
Speaker 1: get you ready to play football?
Speaker 3: But playing football? Right?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: What you not soccer.
Speaker 4: For next season?
Speaker 7: Matter of fact? Hat Listen, half of the people competing
Speaker 7: in Paris can't even beat me running right now? Honestly,
Speaker 7: who who?
Speaker 3: If you can? Who you can hear you must be
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 1: You must be talking about the people that check it out,
Speaker 1: making sure they light their hands behind the line.
Speaker 3: Those are the older people. Those are the older people
Speaker 3: that can't outrun you.
Speaker 7: Hey, we'll see watch what happened on Quincy? When Quincy
Speaker 7: come down here?
Speaker 1: Uh, let's talk sports? Three thousand said, is it is
Speaker 1: it hard talking about the same subjects in different environments?
Speaker 1: And have you ever slipped up?
Speaker 3: Mmm?
Speaker 7: What do you mean slipped up?
Speaker 3: I guess, uh say ninja? Uh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Look, if I say I can, I changed completely from
Speaker 5: from I am on Hill the inside NFL, I'd be
Speaker 5: a completely different person, talk different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the accent is gone. Yeah, I think yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm I got ESPN Shannon, I got
Speaker 1: night Cap Shannon. Night Cap Shannon is totally different than
Speaker 1: anything that's on television for sure. That's one thousand, and
Speaker 1: He's totally different from Club Shay Shane. Shannon is an
Speaker 1: entity like this, night Cap Shannon is only for Nightcap.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Hey, he gets hung up in the closet until it's
Speaker 1: time for him to come out again tomorrow.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's it's uh. You look, if you
Speaker 1: on TV long enough, you're gonna have a mishap. You
Speaker 1: will say issue and you gonna say add. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna say something you I said F I said if
Speaker 1: I've said f on on on Undisputed before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so this me, this is a combination of like.
Speaker 1: Kind of like Nightcap, but this is more like in
Speaker 1: the locker room in to Battle State, in Different in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: at the barbershop when I'm with my boys, if you
Speaker 1: were like with Privy, I mean all the guys like
Speaker 1: Rod Smith and all the guys that I played with
Speaker 1: and different like he liked this every day, I mean
Speaker 1: everything to what you hear him saying, he said that
Speaker 1: now I just get I just get paid. I just
Speaker 1: get paid to you know, I had a job on
Speaker 1: on Undisputed. They paid me for all the look the
Speaker 1: quick went first take now pays me for. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a I'm a totally different this person that
Speaker 1: you see that's talking to you right now. He don't
Speaker 1: come out only on night cap. Yeah you're vampire o Jo.
Speaker 1: You only come out at night That's it.
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Speaker 1: Just letting you know, Derek, I appreciate the support, bro,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I really really appreciate that. Ron
Speaker 1: DeVos Uh, it really brings back some PTSD here and
Speaker 1: O Jr. Mentioned cl final between Liverpool and Real Madrid.
Speaker 1: Sergio or Ramos and his dirty plays are the only
Speaker 1: reason Madrid won all won it all? Oh Yo, what
Speaker 1: you say about that?
Speaker 7: I mean he's probably right, He's probably right.
Speaker 5: Listen, Real Madrid has some type of voodoo that they
Speaker 5: always have and find towards the end of games almost
Speaker 5: similar to give you better context, like throwing a hell.
Speaker 7: Mary with two seconds on the clock.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they scoring at the last minute when it
Speaker 5: matters most every time.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're wrong, Kamani love the show today, it's my birthday.
Speaker 1: Me and my girlfriend are watching. Well, would also be
Speaker 1: seeing you, hope in Atlanta. Hopefully you guys still going
Speaker 1: to Magic City.
Speaker 7: I don't know where you're going.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to see what these wings. I'm trying to
Speaker 7: see what these wings hitting on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to say I will keep on tipping
Speaker 1: the sippings, see what we can do. Okay, the top
Speaker 1: twenty for the bottom is all to get those you
Speaker 1: know things to fall. You know what I'm saying, what
Speaker 1: time of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You ain't going nowhere?
Speaker 5: Like yeah, Hey, madame. Are you are you know listen,
Speaker 5: didn't even waste for me to invite them. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: are y'all going on tour? Okay, I'm coming to what
Speaker 5: I ain't even invite you yet.
Speaker 3: Talk about?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'm going. I know you're trying to go
Speaker 7: to Magic City. I'll be there. Wait a minute, like
Speaker 7: how you know, uncle, want to show me around? You
Speaker 7: You trying to be my chaperone?
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no a rail bait?
Speaker 7: You know, baby, Now, we don't need no bait. Hey,
Speaker 7: we've been fishing for thirty years. We don't need no baby.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Real real that rail the baby, real, the cute little
Speaker 1: you know when you walk, you got a little cool
Speaker 1: little plelly doll.
Speaker 3: Oh quet up here they are, but they gonna na real.
Speaker 3: Who is that?
Speaker 7: That's my uncle, man, I'm the match maker, man, I
Speaker 7: got you.
Speaker 3: Everybody need a ring woman. You know you got a
Speaker 3: ring man. I got a wing woman.
Speaker 7: No, no, no no, because she's gonna have you at
Speaker 7: the wrong people.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: That decision making it ain't nah.
Speaker 3: A real Let's play a shot, uncle and nice. That's
Speaker 3: my uncle. That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Oh Joe, that's my uncle. He's
Speaker 3: shadow you know.
Speaker 1: You know he ain't really been out, he ain't been
Speaker 1: on a dating a long time, but he really shy
Speaker 1: harmless though.
Speaker 7: That's a good one.
Speaker 1: Uh Nigga Grant said, today's my birthday and as a gift,
Speaker 1: can chafford tell me tell the truth for one whole day?
Speaker 3: And Shannon no notes, change nothing, love y'all, No, no,
Speaker 3: what she wanted. She wants for her birthday. Her gift
Speaker 3: is that you tell the truth the whole day.
Speaker 7: Well, hell I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't lie.
Speaker 5: Anything I talk about on Nightcap is about personal experience
Speaker 5: through my lifetime. You have to understand, I've been doing
Speaker 5: this fifty six years. I've done everything that we've talked about,
Speaker 5: and that's what that's what people fail to realize. I've
Speaker 5: done and experience everything. I've traveled the world. I've been
Speaker 5: through all types of all types of different things that
Speaker 5: people don't even know. You know, I've done trades and
Speaker 5: done all types of stuff. So it's good for me
Speaker 5: to have this platform to kind of share with y'all
Speaker 5: because you only see me as a former football player,
Speaker 5: not realizing I've lived I've lived two three lives already,
Speaker 5: So nothing I've ever I might exaggerate a little bit,
Speaker 5: I might exaggerate a little bit.
Speaker 7: But everything I talk about I've done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that what we do.
Speaker 1: So Nicki, happy birthday, Happy birthday, and hopefully you enjoyed
Speaker 1: the day, did something special, had a lot to eat,
Speaker 1: got some good food, hung out with some family and
Speaker 1: friends and loved ones. And so thank you for Nikki,
Speaker 1: for always You've been great. Nicki was probably probably one
Speaker 1: of our first five. She had to be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if she was first, but she had to
Speaker 1: be top five for sure. And you want us to
Speaker 1: go ahead and Nikki, you want them to know Nicki
Speaker 1: is now an official member at shay Shape Media. We
Speaker 1: just hired Nikki. Hey, congratulations, So Nicki is officially on
Speaker 1: the payroll.
Speaker 3: Damn, how much you gotta pay? Now? How about y'all?
Speaker 3: How much? Oh these are? How about y'all?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: How much is my bill? He went up with up
Speaker 3: some more?
Speaker 1: Damn I'm probably not about three hundred fifty thousand now,
Speaker 1: huh three twenty five?
Speaker 3: Damn?
Speaker 1: All right, y'all better hurry up. I ain't paying no
Speaker 1: more than five hundred. I got five hundred. Y'all been
Speaker 1: trying to break a world ricking. After five hundred, you
Speaker 1: out of gas.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Yeah bad.
Speaker 1: Uh. We've had a couple of people, mean Shannon, Adrian,
Speaker 1: he runs Shannon Sharp, burner account.
Speaker 7: He works he that at Burner count funny brother, he
Speaker 7: worked for us.
Speaker 1: Uh and now NICKI so uh, Nicky has been great,
Speaker 1: Like I said, she's been great. Adrian is great. He
Speaker 1: was my burn account and so you never know, guys,
Speaker 1: you never know. I like I like, you know, helping people.
Speaker 1: I like people that want to see Chase shed media grow.
Speaker 1: I like people to have a vested interest. And that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna work hard. And we understand we do one
Speaker 1: thing here.
Speaker 3: We work. Yeah, there ain't nowhere around it. We work here.
Speaker 1: And so congratulations Nikki, well deserved, well earned. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I've known it for so many years.
Speaker 1: And what better way you talk about one of the
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Speaker 1: the greatest four hundred meter runner in the history and
Speaker 1: it's not even close. So thank you, Mike. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that we got a special guest for you tomorrow.
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