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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation radioed.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and we are almost through week nine.

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Speaker 2: We've got one more game left tonight. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers back on the practice field after their bye week,

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Speaker 2: and well now they know Ravens won. Yep, Bengals won,

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Speaker 2: and surprisingly enough.

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Speaker 3: The Browns lost in miserable fashion and miserable thing pretty

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Speaker 3: much are done. Yeah, I mean, any hopes of Jamis

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Speaker 3: is going to ride in on the white horse and

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Speaker 3: save the season and get them back to respectability should

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Speaker 3: be shot. I mean, I think the Chargers d is

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Speaker 3: really challenging. But man, I mean, he's throwing picks and

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Speaker 3: they're taking sacks left and right, and there's no Amari.

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Speaker 3: And I thought Cleveland's defense played quite well, you know,

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Speaker 3: but Herbert made way more throws and it's just too

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Speaker 3: much to ask. And I would think in the next

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours or so there's some former.

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Speaker 2: Browns just it'd be so soon to be ex Browns. Yep, yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's where they're kind of at right now, Cincinnati kind

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Speaker 2: of still in it in the AFC. I think they

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Speaker 2: moved up to like the nine seed with them, And

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Speaker 2: of course Baltimore is still half a game behind the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: And the Broncos kind of got exposed there again no

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Speaker 2: time as a fraud. Yeah, I mean they got steamrolled.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's just I still think the Broncos D

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Speaker 3: is good, but I think the Ravens offense is almost

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Speaker 3: impossible to play against right now. I mean, Lamar's carving

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Speaker 3: everyone up from the pocket. Didn't even ask was.

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Speaker 2: It last week against Cleveland? No, but we say this,

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Speaker 2: if they don't have an outstanding offensive effort, they lose.

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Speaker 2: When they've scored under twenty four or fewer points this year,

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Speaker 2: they've lost, Yeah, because they don't play defense. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I think Denver was never going to run away

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Speaker 3: with no put thirty points up, thirty five points up,

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Speaker 3: things like that. They don't have the weapons at all.

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Speaker 3: But I am really impressed with Baltimore's offense. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they can do any way you want. You know, Lamar's

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Speaker 3: carving people up in a traditional sense now more so

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Speaker 3: than any point. I don't know what to think of

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Speaker 3: the Ravens D I mean their pass defense has been

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Speaker 3: so bad, the communication has been so bad. They stuffed

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Speaker 3: the run. But they don't have bad players, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, could they get that part of it righted

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Speaker 2: I don't see it because once teams start to see

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Speaker 2: those cracks, yeah, they're not going to stop attacking shots

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Speaker 2: and yeah and so, and then you build off of

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Speaker 2: the bad things that that defense isn't doing well. And

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Speaker 2: they don't rush the pass or particularly well. No, they

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Speaker 2: got to they got to scheme it up in blitz

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Speaker 2: and they don't have the cover guys the blitz. Now,

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Speaker 2: that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 3: And the communication has been so bad, which I blamed

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Speaker 3: the coaching staff. I mean they lost so many prominent

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Speaker 3: Two other guys left for to be a coordinator, one

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Speaker 3: left to be a head coach, so you're all kind

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Speaker 3: of who's the adult in the room in the defensive staff.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that gets better as the season goes on. I

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Speaker 3: do think they should definitely kick the tires on a

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Speaker 3: pass rusher in the next twenty four hours too. You know,

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Speaker 3: they were aggressive to go get Deonte. As for the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: They haven't played a murderer's role lately. They have not

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Speaker 3: for sure, but the defense has gone from horrendous to

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Speaker 3: below average, and it's all Burrow. Burrow's playing out of

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Speaker 3: his mind. And I was just on with Mark Madden

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Speaker 3: and we were talking about a little bit he's like

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Speaker 3: and he still looks grumpy, and it still looks like

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Speaker 3: he's there's five touchdowns and he's still kind of like,

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Speaker 3: I still don't have enough around me to win, you know,

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Speaker 3: because it's dragging everybody with him.

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Speaker 2: It's just he knows for them to win, he's.

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Speaker 3: Got to keep got to play like three week yep,

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Speaker 3: And he has been lately. But they throw every snap,

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Speaker 3: get Higgins back, but at some point, I assume, But

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Speaker 3: still they're crawling from behind. They still think they have

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Speaker 2: I think they have a chance to be one of

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Speaker 2: contender contender. I don't think it's their year because they're

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Speaker 3: They're not a complete team. That's a good way of

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Speaker 3: putting it. Like, if I were to pick now, I

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Speaker 3: would pick the seven that are in and replace the

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Speaker 3: The other existing five are pretty safe, even though Houston's floundering.

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Speaker 3: But nobody, nobody in the South is challenging though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, Denver is the five seed, orus the

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Speaker 2: seven seed, I'm sorry, The Chargers would be the sixth,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens the five, Houston is the four. Then you

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Speaker 2: get the Steelers a half game behind Buffalo, and and

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Speaker 2: then Casey's at seven and zero. We'll see what they

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Speaker 2: do tonight. Who's eight right now? Eight is Indianapolis, nine

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Speaker 2: well we say that. But they've got a big game

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Speaker 2: so they got back to back road games. Then they

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Speaker 2: come here to play the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: So this is the easy stretch. I know, this last

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Speaker 3: in it. Yeah, I don't know if they're willing to

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Speaker 3: they're ready to win two out of three of those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a tough that's a tough road to.

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Speaker 3: Ho Those are really well coached teams, and the Chargers

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Speaker 3: of the least of them, but they're hard to play against.

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna play them out there, really, especially after

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Speaker 2: the Ravens. But it's a long week at least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they could fall off, but I don't know who

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Speaker 3: else THEFC is legit.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, and then we have the best

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Speaker 2: seven teams. Yeah, you look at their what's left on

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Speaker 2: their schedule. After that, it's at Dallas, who now doesn't

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Speaker 2: have Dak Prescott, but that's a month from now.

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Speaker 2: They'll certainly have Micah Parsons. By then their season looks

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Speaker 2: shot too. Yeah, then you're at the Titans, the Browns

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Speaker 3: So they need to survive these next three.

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Speaker 2: If they lose two of these next three, they can't

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Speaker 3: They can't conference losses. They are three three five.

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Speaker 2: If they lose two of these next three, now they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see them getting hot near the end,

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Speaker 3: but that's rougher than I thought. I didn't realize the

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Speaker 3: Baltimore and the Steelers were in the mix. But Chargers

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Speaker 2: So this is the third and that Bronco or the yeah,

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Speaker 2: So where's that one is in Baltimore. That's what I thought.

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Speaker 2: That's a good I mean, that's a big one for

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Speaker 3: That the Steelers want the Ravens to lose.

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Speaker 2: I guess realistically, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: but it'd be nice for the Bengals to kind of

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Speaker 2: Plane, just push them aside more one more nail on

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Speaker 2: the coffin for the Bengals, and it just comes down

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Speaker 2: to you and the Ravens. Yeah, for division dominance.

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Speaker 3: And Steelers end with the Bengals right yes eighteen in

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and if they don't have aim to play for,

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Speaker 3: which that step one would be losing to Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: So the week eighteen means Hendrickson going to want to

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Speaker 3: To play What'sborough gonna feel like at that point too?

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Speaker 3: He's been taking a beating too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's just very interesting and again, these things

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Speaker 2: are changing. I had somebody questioned me on on social

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Speaker 2: media yesterday if these three teams lose O, does that

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Speaker 2: mean they're gonna be sellers at the deadline? And like

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Speaker 2: they could be, don't you know? But who knows.

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Speaker 3: We're all psyched about the deadline. I am too. We

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Speaker 3: got twenty four hours. Doesn't me anything's gonna happen? No,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's still a lot of teams that could

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Speaker 3: go either way. Is Miami gonna dump everybody now? I mean,

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Speaker 3: like or become a seller or at least be open

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a And here's the thing that people

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Speaker 2: don't understand about that. It's a tough sell in your

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Speaker 2: locker room. Yeah, to start giving pieces away. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of football left because the other guys in the

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Speaker 2: all in this season and now we're not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's harder to trust the coach and his message

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Speaker 3: and we're all one one for all blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: And you saw from Jacksonville yesterday and now they've made

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Speaker 2: a comeback and got back into the game. But still

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Speaker 2: you straight our left tackle. Yeah you, Trevor Lawrence are

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he's next by the way, is he

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Speaker 3: gonna be employed tomorrow when we start to drive. I

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Speaker 3: have my doubts on that. One can see there was

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Speaker 3: a change today, folks. I can see more on the horizon.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we're starting to sell pieces. And they

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Speaker 3: probably would have traded Kirk if he didn't get hurt.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's not a great message either.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so you know right now, you know the

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Speaker 2: hot rumors Cleveland is going to be a big seller.

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Speaker 2: The Dolphins at two and six aren't any better shape.

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Speaker 3: No, No, at least Miami. I could sell my owner.

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Speaker 3: This just wasn't our year. We have a good formula here.

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Speaker 3: Let's get through this season and run it back and

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Speaker 3: try to get next year.

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Speaker 2: You know, Cleveland can't do that, No, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, they can't.

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Speaker 3: No, So this is kind of side note and probably

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Speaker 3: a whole segment of its own. If the Saints, Browns,

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Speaker 3: and Panthers, I can't imagine being their GM next Those

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Speaker 3: three are hopeless, Like.

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Speaker 2: The Saints are sixty million dollars over next year seller sometime, Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's nobody that they can do anything with

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Speaker 2: that really alleviates that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they do dumb stuff, Like two weeks ago

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Speaker 3: they extend Kamara, couldn't you. I don't think the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: would have given you a seventh round pick for Kamara.

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Speaker 3: He's probably worth more than that anything. I mean, like

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Speaker 3: you just have to plan for the quick.

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Speaker 2: He had two hundred yards offense.

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Speaker 3: He's still really good. Yeah, right, and unfortunately Lave got hurt.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, like all three of those organizations to

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Speaker 3: me are hopeless for years.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the problem with some of these franchises

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Speaker 2: is that they haven't recognized where they're at in the equation.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like a penguin thing. Yeah and you, yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: They've man it because they've managed this situation well, right right, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: And I get it. Quarterbacks a different position. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas he replace a tackle.

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Speaker 2: To do to me. The poster for this is the Giants.

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Speaker 3: You would just get a right fielder and plug him in.

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Speaker 2: Not the same. It's not like other sports. You know.

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Speaker 3: It really takes a lot of acclamation and right.

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Speaker 1: In the least, He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 2: We are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and well, Matt, let's move on to little Steelers

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Speaker 2: Washington talk here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always so early, did I look at the opponent.

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Speaker 2: I always want to call them by their former name because.

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Speaker 3: I've gotten good at it. To the whole the football

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Speaker 3: I mean, Russ Grimm was a Washington Redskin yes, I

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Speaker 3: That's what they were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, So I found some interesting stuff on them.

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Speaker 2: They have allowed forty one kickoff for all season. Forty one.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge number. They've had fifteen touchbacks.

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Speaker 3: Now that means they've scored a lot. Yeah, they kick

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Speaker 2: So he's now twenty five of twenty seven. But I

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Speaker 2: think he's only like one of three from fifty or beyond.

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00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 3: And both those kickers that are to play this weekend

434
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 3: are on pace to set the record for most field

435
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 3: goals made in the season the season. An extra game helps, Yeah,

436
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 3: but that's not a new thing.

437
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 2: They're in pace for fifty field goals each But I

438
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: think where you're good, that's crazy.

439
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 3: Wait, I think where you're going with this because you

440
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 3: told me this in the lobby. I don't know if

441
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: he's a big leg.

442
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 2: That's the thing, right, right, right, I've only attempted those

443
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: three kicks from beyond fifty yards. He's only one.

444
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 3: Low number, right, Yeah, considering how many often they kick

445
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 3: the ball through the upright.

446
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: So he's twenty five to twenty seven. So he's highly

447
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 2: accurate inside of fifty yards. But I don't know that

448
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: he has the leg to kick it deep every time. Yeah,

449
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: especially now that the weather's starting to turn a little bit.

450
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: I understand the game is down there, probably a little

451
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: bit warmer than it will be here, but it's still

452
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: going to be in the fifties.

453
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: It's still a lot of non touchbacks, yes, most the league.

454
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: Guess who's back this week for the step bit? Yeah,

455
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 2: so maybe you'll actually get a kickoff for turn. Maybe

456
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: we'll get to see a little cor Darryl Patterson this week,

457
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: and good luck kicking off to that guy.

458
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've just been wanting to see it. I mean

459
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 3: since that day at the owner's meetings, when as soon

460
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 3: as the thing passed and we're sitting our chatting Steelers like, oh,

461
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: they signed him a minute later. That's what he's here

462
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: to do, amongst other things. And now he's healthy and

463
00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: it's the perfect opponent.

464
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: For actually signed him just before the rule was passed initially. Yeah,

465
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: maybe a little, because we were talking to Omar that

466
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: day actually, and he announced the signing the day we

467
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: were talking to him at the owners meetings. Yeah, he said,

468
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: by the way, we signed the quarteror Patterson. Oh really,

469
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: you signed the best kick returner in history.

470
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's more than that too. He should be

471
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: a nice boost to both phases.

472
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: So forty one that they've given now they've covered him

473
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: pretty well. They're only giving up twenty five point three

474
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: yards per return along with thirty nine.

475
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 3: That's actually what I was thinking too, is yeah, I

476
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: have not broken down this kicker. Right, it's nose numbers.

477
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: Maybe he's really good at placing it in the corner

478
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: or something. Maybe they're doing it and maybe he's got

479
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 3: the biggest leg.

480
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 2: He's very accurate. Yeah, say maybe it says a really

481
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: good ball placement. Yeah, I mean I don't know. But again,

482
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: if you're gonna try testing that guy, yeah right right,

483
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: And it's not like the Steelers other kick returnerick. You

484
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: hear the kick in the quarterall Patterson or Jalen Warren

485
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: in the open field. I like the chances.

486
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, should be something that favors Pittsburgh. Yeah, at

487
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 3: least get the opportunity, right, because we just haven't seen that.

488
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: While they're not kicking off too much in that game.

489
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: Well that's you, Yeah, you don't want that. But the

490
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: Steelers have only gotten seven opportunities thus far. I know

491
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: it's really seven and Aaron without him back there. Yeah,

492
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Shamplin has been the leader in the clubhouse. He's

493
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: got four kick returns for the Steelers. Like that to

494
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: be Corderio Patterson.

495
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, so that's a good phase. I mean,

496
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: it's just the kicker aspect of this one is pretty

497
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: interesting to me. I just looked at it for the

498
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: first time. But I think they're also allowing a lot

499
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 3: more punt return yardage than they're producing. I think it's

500
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: like fifteen yards per punt return and they're averaging fifteen

501
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 3: yards per punk return. They give up seven point two the.

502
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: Other way round. Yeahay, I do. There's a big discrepancy.

503
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so they've been good in the punt return

504
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: for Yeah, they've been.

505
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: They've been pretty good in that return, but their punter

506
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: doesn't appear to have a big leg. He's well, I

507
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: say that he's averaging forty five point nine yards per punt, which, okay,

508
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: ten years ago is a good number. Right now, it's like, eh,

509
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, their.

510
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: Offensive moved the ball, so well, maybe they're coffin corner

511
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: kicks or something like that.

512
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Yeah, Commander's game this season, you just

513
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 2: don't know. They also are a team. They've only thrown

514
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: two interceptions, but they only have three themselves. Yeah, they've

515
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: only and they've they've only lost one fumble.

516
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: The fumble things interesting. They fumbled I think ten or

517
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: eleven times, only.

518
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: Lost one lost one.

519
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: That's flat out fumble luck. You know, I mean maybe

520
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: three of them unsustainable, right, I mean again, if you

521
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: watched all ten, there might be three of them where

522
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels drops the ball, jumps right on and no

523
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: one has a chance. Okay, well that that's not a

524
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: fifty chance. But history shows if you fumble ten or

525
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: eleven times, you should lose four to six of them.

526
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've kind of been lucky. Yeah, that's it's

527
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: not a round ball. It's long and sometimes it takes

528
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: weird hot Yeah.

529
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: Fumble luck, field goal lucks, stuff like that.

530
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: It's usually out of your hands. Yeah, so they've they've

531
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: been a little fortunate in some of these, uh, some

532
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: of these instances. You know, Giants didn't have a kicker

533
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: in the first game, you know, things like that too.

534
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a miraculous story.

535
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: There are six and two team, but I don't know

536
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: that there are seven to two or seven. Yeah, seven two,

537
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: seven and two. There are seven and two team, but

538
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: I don't know that there are seven and two team.

539
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: If you understand what I'm.

540
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Saying, one hundredercent agree. And I think we did this

541
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: last week. But just going game by game down their list,

542
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: you can see the story a little bit better. Hey,

543
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: seven and two is great, that's fantastic. I thought they

544
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: might get the first pick in the draft. I mean, like,

545
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 3: I thought this was going to be a miserable year.

546
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: I thought their O line would be horrendous. I thought

547
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: their defense would be horrendous. They traded Sweat and Chase

548
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: Young last year. I mean, forbes, the first round pick

549
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: doesn't look like a player. They're really well coached, though

550
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: their O line is actually a strength even though it's

551
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: not like household names. They're one of the best stories

552
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 3: in the league. But I'm with you, I don't think

553
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 3: they're one of the best teams in the league.

554
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: Is the O line of strength or is this? Are

555
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: teams defending them? And I don't have to go back

556
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: and watch a couple of their games really nasty? Are

557
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: they defending them like the Steelers defend Lamar Jackson, where

558
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: you're happier to let Brian Robinson run the ball as

559
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: opposed to Jayden Daniels.

560
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: I think there's some of that. What I will say

561
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: is no one knows who Stamunel cause me is right,

562
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: but he is.

563
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: He's good.

564
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: He's a really really good guard. Be oddish. The center

565
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: is a legit, dude. You know that we talked about

566
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: back in free agency. They're getting a lot more out

567
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: of the tackles than I would expect. Whoever, their O

568
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: line coaches kudos because collectively they like to smear your

569
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: face in the dirt. They're as nasty as a group

570
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: as I've ever seen orb that I've seen recently. But

571
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: like Lamar and I'm talking about just a run game,

572
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: having a weapon like that always is going to boost.

573
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: It slows everything to everybody out you know.

574
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: I mean even before Derrick Henry Lamar's running backs averaged

575
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: like five point five yards. Yeah, that was over five

576
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 3: yards of carry, right right, right, So there's having an

577
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: immense talent at quarterback absolutely helps that. But yesterday I

578
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: went and looked at like the advanced stats from Giants commanders,

579
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 3: and it was the Giants' worst pass rushing day of

580
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: the year, and it was their heaviest blitz day of

581
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 3: the year. You know, and we know how good they're

582
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: pass rushing. Yeah, you know, like they're doing a lot

583
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: of things right.

584
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: He's actually Jayden Daniels, I looked this up earlier, has

585
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: has been better against the blitz than not blitz. He's

586
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: killed it because and I think part of the big

587
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: reason is that they're in the league. They throw a

588
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: lot of screens. They throw a lot of screens. Yeah,

589
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: I think I looked it up just before the show.

590
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: They've thrown like forty five screen passers this year. Well,

591
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: that's one way to beat a blitz if you're just

592
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: tossing it over the blitzer's heads. Yeap, you know.

593
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: So it used to be nobody would ever blitz, the

594
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 3: Lamars of the world, the fields of the world, because

595
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: oh no, what if he gets behind us. Now it's

596
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: kind of become the opposite. And so he's I'm sure

597
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: he's seen a lot of blitz. I'll look, Tuesday's my

598
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: day for that kind of stuff. After all, the Monday

599
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 3: night stuff's already done. But he handles it well. They

600
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: throw it down, they compliment with screens. As you mentioned,

601
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: the line's better than you think. And the one thing

602
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 3: I has changed. But like his first couple starts, there

603
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: were some crazy numbers that anytime he was pressured, he

604
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 3: ran like ninety percent of the time, Like they told him,

605
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: like you feel I didn't go. You know, you're new here.

606
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: And now he's handling it better. It's not just one

607
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: read pressure go. You know, he's digesting things much better.

608
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: But that's good coaching, you know what I mean. I

609
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: mean they're doing they're getting the most out of the roster.

610
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: I will say when he scrambles a lot of times

611
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: is to the right. Yes, if he's going to scramble

612
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: right against the Steelers, he's running right into TJ. Watt.

613
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they've been watching that for two weeks, like

614
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: they're not similar athletes, but Baker Mayfield to do that

615
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: all the time in Cleveland and they knew it and they,

616
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: i mean, Watt would just sit on it like I

617
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: know that you're going to come right at me, and

618
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: it's blew them apart.

619
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that'll be something to watch there as well.

620
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: This goes back to was Lsu days. But one of

621
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: the things that worried me most about Daniels is he

622
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: takes hits. Yeah, you know, I mean he's a lot

623
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: of it's because he's tough and wiry like Lamar and

624
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: competitive and doesn't want to slide, but it doesn't protect

625
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: himself for a while.

626
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: They give up five point one yards per carry.

627
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Giants had a lot of success on the ground too,

628
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 3: just just like they did.

629
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: Run the ball on these guys. As long as you

630
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: can keep it close and continue to run the football,

631
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: I think that's what's happened. When you look at their

632
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: they've outscored opponents fifty to twenty nine in the first quarter,

633
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: ninety five to forty six in the second quarter. They've

634
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: actually been outscored in the second half of games. But

635
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: they come out and get on you early. Yeah.

636
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they absolutely do and abandoning the run is

637
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: they don't reuch passor that well though, you know, like

638
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: I always think about that, like whenever you become one dimensional.

639
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: The Bengals are very much this way. By side note

640
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: we were talking about Burrow. But you become one dimensional

641
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: and pass only, it's like, oh no, now we've gotta

642
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: deal with Watton high Smith, you know. And they don't

643
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: have those guys, you know, but their interior is good Allan.

644
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: Everyone probably knows their tackles, pay and Allen or to

645
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: the former first round picks, there was the strength of

646
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: the defense. Allen's out, but Jaz your Newton playing really

647
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: well too. He should not have been a second round picks,

648
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: only a second roundick because he couldn't play at the

649
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: bed in the year.

650
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're more penetrators. Yeah, the defense does not

651
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: stop the run well. So I'll be interested to see

652
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: if the Steelers are able to get that running game

653
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: going early.

654
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: It's not a real talented defense, and I'll kicking their

655
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: coverage on inside the wall.

656
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, so you know, if they can take advantage

657
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: of some of those things, you know.

658
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: They get a couple of feisty guys though that we

659
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: both like coming out saying you're still ye than the

660
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: slot corner.

661
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: And h who was a dude they.

662
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: Drafted from Illinois last year that we love the.

663
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Safety slash slot. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. He's a

664
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: good young player. He's changed his name to Yeah, that's

665
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: why I wasn't sure about it.

666
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: He was our second Kawn Martin, yeah, Kwan Martin kawand Martin.

667
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner's playing well. Louvu's a Downhill a Landon Roberts

668
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: plus type player two. So it's not like they're devoid

669
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: of talent. They're good up the middle.

670
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yet somehow give up five point one yards

671
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: per carry.

672
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you can run on them. They don't

673
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: have a lot of beef.

674
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: No, they don't, and so you know, can the Steelers

675
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: take advantage that? If you look at the DVOA stuff,

676
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: they're number two on offense, twenty sixth on defense.

677
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is fine against the Giants and some

678
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: of those type of teams, you.

679
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: Know, which will get you wins against the Giants twice, Yeah,

680
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals, Arizona, Cleveland, Carolina, the Bears and the Giants again, Yeah, exactly.

681
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: I saw us down on the Giants actually, or the Bears.

682
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: I should say the Bears. They were disasterous, oh and

683
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: fifteen in their last Sunday road games. They haven't won

684
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: a Sunday road game under Matt Eveland. Loose they happen

685
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: a lot usually when they do play. Wow, I think

686
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: his seat's warming up real fast. Oh in fifteen.

687
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he's supposed to be a defensive guru and

688
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: they're getting gashed by the Cardinals yesterday.

689
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: And honestly, fifteen they probably should have won that game

690
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: in Washington against Washington, Yeah, hail Mary, right, Hail Mary.

691
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: You know, the Giants beat them the first time around

692
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: if they have a kicker, Yeah, you know.

693
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: And what's funny is if you go through the timeline

694
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: of their wins. I think they beat the Bengals in

695
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: Week two or three when the world thought the Bengals

696
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: were one of the best teams in the league. We

697
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: didn't know yet, you know what I mean. There's some

698
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: of that that is self explanatory. They did hang with

699
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: the Ravens. Yeah, that might have been their best game probably,

700
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: honest I mean, it was a loss, but they went

701
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: toe to toe with a team. It's hard to play again.

702
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean Tampa Bay smoked him in Week one.

703
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like either'd be one of the wors

704
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: teams the league. They're twenty eighth at every power rank

705
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: at that point, you know, and then they start beating

706
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: teams we thought were okay, you know.

707
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: To the Steelers have opened his two and a half

708
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: point underdogs in this game. No, I didn't even see.

709
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: I think the wrong team is favored coming off of bye.

710
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: Tomlin's awfully strong. One's seven in a row coming off

711
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: of bye, and his record in general is really strong.

712
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: It's twelve and two or something. Yeah, rookie quarterback. Yeah,

713
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure the record against those was quite well. Yeah,

714
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: he's got the most wins and ever. Yeah, yeah, against

715
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: rookie quarterbacks. I haven't thought much about who I'm gonna

716
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: pick or who should be favored. I just thought it

717
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: was strange that, yeah, they would be strange.

718
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: I mean just the freshness. I mean, you think Cam

719
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: Hayward and TJ. Water are happy about to buy. I

720
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: mean I think that goes a long way.

721
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: Interesting, complicated defense that you know, not real easy for

722
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: a young quarterback to Okay, how do we attack this thing?

723
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Who's dropped your back too.

724
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so it's not a great time to

725
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: play the Steelers.

726
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 2: No, and this is one that the Steelers will need

727
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: to win, I think, I mean, looking at what's coming

728
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: down the road, I just think this is one that

729
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: they really need. Here. I thought at least this would

730
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: be maybe a pick them game. I couldn't believe they

731
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: were getting two and a half points.

732
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm a little shocked. Again, this is first time I've

733
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 3: heard these things, so I do know that the perception

734
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 3: of the Commanders is Wow, these guys are unbelievable. Daniel

735
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: is one of the best players in the league. I

736
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: get some of that, but when you dig in, I

737
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: don't think they're a jugger or not. No, so we'll see.

738
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: I mean that's why they play the games, and it

739
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: is there, which never helps. But no, right, you know,

740
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: the Steelers have shown they can go on the road

741
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: and win in this league.

742
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: If the old line plays well and Wilson plays like

743
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: he did, they'll be ya know, They'll be in it

744
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: for sure.

745
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see. Anyways, let's get to a break.

746
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly, you're

747
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: listening to the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,

748
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,200
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749
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: through Friday from four to six pm. We are alive

750
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio. And of course you can

751
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,960
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752
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753
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,520
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754
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: you doing that as well. And well, they seem to

755
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: go better for some reason, get more viewers when the

756
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: Steelers win. How does that work? You guys don't want

757
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: to watch or listen to Steelers talk if the Steelers lose,

758
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: n right whatever. Anyways, he is Matt Williamson. I am

759
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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. This is the Drive. We'll be back with

760
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Speaker 2: more right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

764
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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the

765
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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. And uh well it's a beautiful Monday outside

766
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: right now, and.

767
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: Weather's crazy November and Pittsburgh really beautiful.

768
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

769
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: Global warming is real. By the way, It wasn't like

770
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: this when I was a kid. We usually have to

771
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: like shovel snow back then. You don't do that anymore.

772
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: It depends on where you live.

773
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: They haven't drifted too far. I went from Mount Levene

774
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: to Saint Clair. It's a little more south, but not

775
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: that much in terms of snowfall inches per year or whatever.

776
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: Anyways, Anyway, so the UH Steelers on late last week

777
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: cut Dylan Cook. They released at least Doing Cook and

778
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: people were asking about that, are you guys going to

779
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: talk about Dylan Cook. Well, today they re signed him.

780
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: Tod was shocked what had happened to but now he's

781
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: on the practice squad.

782
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: They resigned her to the practice squad today. I just

783
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: don't think that they were ready to give up. And

784
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: the reason for this was Calvin Anderson, a guy that

785
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: they got a few weeks ago when they've had all

786
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: the rash of injuries. I think they actually like Calvin

787
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: Anderson and they wanted to keep doing Cook. And had

788
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: they done it the other way around and try to

789
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: release Calvin Anderson and get him onto the practice squad,

790
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that that would have worked.

791
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I see the strategy now, which is a

792
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: slight risk. I mean, he could have signed anywhere else

793
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: in the last twenty four hours or whatever. But now

794
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 3: you got both guys, right, so you got a little

795
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: bit of tackle depth for the first time in a

796
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: long time.

797
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, well I thought they liked him.

798
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: They like both of the guys. There's there's Yeah.

799
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you hate this dude or never want

800
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: to do do business with him again, right, those type

801
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: of things back.

802
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: In order to Calvin Anderson is a guy with six

803
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: years of an NFL experience, with like fifty games under

804
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: his belt in fifteen starts. I mean he's got a

805
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: little more pedigree the.

806
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: NFL tape against the NFL defensive ends, you know what

807
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: I mean.

808
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: It's a little different. We've seen some movement, as you mentioned,

809
00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints have moved on from their head coach. Yeah. Yeah,

810
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: remember when they were two and oher and the talk

811
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: of the.

812
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: They were number one in DVOA, they were up here

813
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: in the charts all. I mean, greatest team ever just

814
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: started the doors off everyone. Like their first two games,

815
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: they were like number three in the power ranking. Yeah,

816
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 3: they were all over. It was harder than I I

817
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 3: Meany won by like forty in the first time each game.

818
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: One of those was against the Panthers, though I think, yeah,

819
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: I think so too.

820
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I to be honest, I mean, going back to

821
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: him replacing Sean Payton, I think there's a pretty uninspired

822
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 3: higher you know, like he's not a real flashy charismatic leader,

823
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: good defensive coordinator with Peyton, but I never quite thought, oh,

824
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: that's going to get them over the hump.

825
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: You know. It was just more it happened so often

826
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: when you just you take it. I don't want to

827
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: say it's the lazy way out.

828
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: It was uninspired, but it's uninspired when you just say, oh,

829
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: we're just going to elevate this guy up who's already

830
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: on the staff because the players like him.

831
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah right, they like him.

832
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: And we talked about the Saints earlier, and the players change.

833
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: Players change all the time. But I think their philosophy

834
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: isn't It's like, let's just this thing going. We've got

835
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: it right, don't change, We'll keep the exact same situation

836
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: and it'll be our year before you know it. Well,

837
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: it hasn't been since Drew Brees, and I can't say

838
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: I'm shocked that he got let go. He lost to

839
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: the Panthers. He lost the Panthers to the Panthers. Yeah,

840
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty rough. Now, the Panthers offense showed

841
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: a little bit of life. I mean, I think there's

842
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: I mean from the bottom of the barrel to oh,

843
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: there's a little life. Maybe Bryce Young finishes his second

844
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: year and you think he might be good enough to

845
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: go into next year with him in a veteran.

846
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: He had an interception yesterday that he couldn't have thrown

847
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: the ball any better and the defensive back after the

848
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: receiver catches it over his shoulder. Yeah, and the defensive

849
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: back comes in and just takes it away from him.

850
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: That goes as an interception against Bryce Young. But it

851
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: was a perfect throat and a great yeah. Yeah.

852
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: So I guess he's gonna, you know, build with Brooks

853
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: is coming back. I think this year week they have

854
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: a line Legett, this Coker kid who looks like he

855
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: has some promise, and maybe that side of the ball

856
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: goes from dismal.

857
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: Awful to below average.

858
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: That would be a win for them, but their defense

859
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 3: has no hope none, and you lost to that defense.

860
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: So you get fired, you know, but you lose a

861
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: lave early in that game, which was terrible. I've had

862
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: all kinds of line injuries. The way the team is

863
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: constructed is not conducive to long term winning. So I

864
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: don't know that he's a bad head coach, but I

865
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: always thought he was a defensive coordinator kind of masquerading

866
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: as a head coach too.

867
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Raiders also made some changes. They fired their

868
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: offensive line coach James Craig, quarterbacks coach Rick Scarin Grello,

869
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: and Luke Getzi. Yeah, loses offensive coordinator. To me, their

870
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: offense hasn't been the issue.

871
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: I mean they went to Ritter by on purpose yesterday.

872
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: They go into this season, had to know going into

873
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: the season and they didn't have a quarterback.

874
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: I think everyone on the planet knew going into the

875
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: season that they had the worst quarterbacks. Yeah, like at

876
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: least Deshaun Watson maybe would have turned his life around,

877
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: or Bryce Young or who the guys that's flopped. But

878
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: you look at there too, they didn't even have Ritter

879
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: at the time. They wouldn't got them because they're doing

880
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: any They're just throwing. It's kind of like the Steelers

881
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: did a linebacker in safety last year. Let's just go

882
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: get anyone and see if it works. Well, it's not

883
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: going to. Yeah, and they don't know much around him,

884
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: and you trade your best offensive player a couple of

885
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I'm not defending Luke. I'm rooting for him

886
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: in a big way. But he hasn't exactly excelled with

887
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: the Raiders or Bears either. But it's not These Saints

888
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: and Raiders situations are the worst in the league.

889
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, take you know, and at some point you have

890
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: to look at the situation you just mentioned. Gets he

891
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: was in Chicago and then with the Raiders, and you're like,

892
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: maybe it's not you, it's them.

893
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 3: Oh, Chicago looks terrible too. I think we saw a

894
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: head coach get let go. That's number two so far

895
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: this year. I think there's some seats that are really warm.

896
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: Imagine ebra Flus. They've never won a Sunday game on

897
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: the road under ebra Flus.

898
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: That's like, hasn't quite sunk in with me yet. That's bonkers.

899
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: That's so terrible. They're fifteen and they got embarrassed. I

900
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: mean the defense. Yeah, the defense is supposed to be

901
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: the backbone of the organization and got run on over

902
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: and over and over. And they can't pick up a

903
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: blitz to save their life, and Caleb Williams is swimming

904
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: to say the least, and I mean at best. They're

905
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: a year away, I mean from being in the mix.

906
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: But winning on Sunday, not in Chicago, would help.

907
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

908
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: I think his seat's warm. I think Jacksonville seats warm.

909
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Dallas is getting there, Dallas are getting there. Yeah, Dak

910
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: Prescott now several weeks, it's gon'll win many of the seed.

911
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: Lamb's injury knock not as serious, but that's an AC joint.

912
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: Not good, not good.

913
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: I mean, Parsons comes back, but I can't imagine Jerry

914
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: being happy with this season.

915
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: No, no way, no, because they were another one of

916
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: these teams in it to win it. Yeah, and you're

917
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: not going to win it. I'm not gonna win it.

918
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: So I think all those are I don't think Chicago

919
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 3: gets let go during the season. They're still hovering around

920
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: five hundred and but I don't know that he'll be

921
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: back next year.

922
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: The Cardinals, the surprising five and four NFC West Division

923
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: leading Cardinals traded for Broncos pass rusher Baron Browning. Did

924
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: they really you surprised? The Broncos are selling right now?

925
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: A little.

926
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: They were really deep there though, with Benito and uh

927
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: Cooper Cooper. I mean, Browning was really good last year

928
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: before he got hurt. Host a kid, interesting player. They

929
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: could certainly need him. I mean, that's a good pickup

930
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: for Arizona. I wonder is Courtland Sutton the next one

931
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: to go. I mean I think Denver, if they're smart,

932
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 3: realizes yeah, this isn't Yeah, this selling a piece or

933
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 3: two for a lot of draft picks would be would

934
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: behoove us and sudden.

935
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm going with this.

936
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: Obviously for Steelers angle he's by far their number one

937
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: in terms of usage, targets, all that stuff.

938
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: But he's not special, right, you.

939
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: Know what I mean, And they've drafted a lot of

940
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: these guys.

941
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: He'd be a number two almost anywhere else.

942
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: And you'd be happy with him. Yeah, he's not t

943
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: Higgins's number two, but he's a good player. He's a

944
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: starter everywhere, you know, no doubt. But they drafted Mims,

945
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: they drafted Franklin. I mean, they probably want to get

946
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: some of the young guys out there. They like that

947
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: Valet dude v E.

948
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: L E. You know, so maybe they are going to

949
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: sell pieces. Yeah, that was just a sixth round pick

950
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: they got from the Cardinals for him.

951
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: Every trade that's happened has favored the buyer, you know,

952
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you don't get him. I mean

953
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: just the recent ones have not cost much. Deonta didn't

954
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: cost anything, you know. I mean, like people are just

955
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: moving on from guys that they're not going to resign. Yeah, so,

956
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: and Als Browning's even up after the year. He's pretty

957
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: young now.

958
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: At the same time, the Broncos Cooper to a four

959
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: year extension, so maybe that's what they looked at, thinking, Okay,

960
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: we're and Benito's a starter. Yeah, so, okay, he's a

961
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: depth piece. Yeah, Okay, the Bengals have lost Moss for

962
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: an extended really, he's just sidelined indefinitely. So that's that's

963
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Chase Brown's backfield now. I think he got every carry yesterday,

964
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: well because Moss is hurt right right now.

965
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: So, I mean, but even the other guys, I mean,

966
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: it's entirely his backfield now, they don't they don't run

967
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: the ball much. Chase Brown did catch a touchdown too,

968
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: but it's not great for them.

969
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't player. I don't know that Brown

970
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: is in every down he's not twenty five touch a game.

971
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, he should be a sixty percenter

972
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 3: or a two third type of guy. Yeah, I mean yeah,

973
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: And maybe they'd be interested in trading for a.

974
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: Back maybe, I mean they might be buyers. Now I'm wondering.

975
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not gonna trade Higgins or Hendrickson now.

976
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: No, after winning, should they go get at n or

977
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't really do much for me, But I'm sure

978
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 3: there's five other backs Khalil Herbert, I mean nobody that's cheap,

979
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, for a late pick.

980
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah. I wouldn't want to rely entirely on Chase Brown.

981
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't either, That's that's you know. I just think

982
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: at some point you're asking for him to break down. Yeah. Yeah. Uh.

983
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: And the finally Christian McCaffrey back at Niners practice, they

984
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: opened his window.

985
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: Promising they wouldn't have There's no way they would open

986
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: that window if they think it's going to close in

987
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: twenty one days. No, I mean no chance. So he's

988
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 3: gonna be back on the field soon.

989
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: What they can't afford to happen is a setback, right right,

990
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: So I'm sure they're very cautious that's why they were

991
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: as cautious as they have been with him. They don't

992
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: want to bring again. It's very similar to the Russell

993
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: Wilson situation. Yeah, it's a good point, like could this

994
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: a pretty good idea? You know what CMC is, the

995
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: Steelers had a pretty good idea what will Russell Wilson

996
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: could be, but they didn't want to rush him back, Yeah,

997
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: and then have him have another setback and now maybe

998
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: he's out the rest of the sea.

999
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: Both adequate alternatives. Yeah, you know, like we can still

1000
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: win games without Christian, but we can't win the super

1001
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: Bowl without him, So we're going to need them then,

1002
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: you know, to need them from November on.

1003
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the Steelers felt the same way, yeah

1004
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: about Wilson. So that's where it's kind of a busy

1005
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: little Monday here. Yeah.

1006
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: I could see more trades too, and more action. I mean,

1007
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: we had coaching releases.

1008
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: It was kind of great. You know.

1009
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: We had a lot of unfortunate injuries, like to a

1010
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 3: Lave and some stars, some of some good, some bad.

1011
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: You mentioned Dak.

1012
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: We had Saquon hurdling someone backwards, which was one of

1013
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: the more insane things I've ever seen. And we got

1014
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: the trade deadline more.

1015
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing that happened yesterday I really didn't

1016
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: like was Brian Branch getting tossed out of that game.

1017
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: Not by the officials on site it was terrible, but

1018
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 2: by the replay officials. Yeah, okay, you had a chance

1019
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: to slow it down and watch it. Oh, there was

1020
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: a helmet, there was you know, contact of the helmet there,

1021
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: he's coming in at full speed and the receiver. It's

1022
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: not like he went high on the receiver. That was

1023
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: a really bad goal. I don't I don't like seeing

1024
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: players get tossed out of games like that. For football plays.

1025
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: I had a problem with the kupa getting tossed, and

1026
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: his was a stronger case because I he swung his fist,

1027
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: but it was more of a football after the whistle nonsense.

1028
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: I thought the Branch run was inexcusable. It didn't hurt them, No,

1029
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: it didn't. But he's a great player. It certainly could have, right,

1030
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a great player that got ejected. Two

1031
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: great players that got ejected. I thought was too much.

1032
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's not what you know. I understand

1033
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: your player safety and all that stuff, and it's certainly

1034
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: was certainly worth a penalty, and it was a big penalty. Yeah,

1035
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: but ejecting the player this isn't college football. I mean,

1036
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: part of it.

1037
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: He brought on himself afterwards because he was taunting the

1038
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: fans and all that, but ended up being a thirty

1039
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: yard penalty and an ejection.

1040
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: Well, the second penalty wasn't for tanting the fans. It

1041
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: was because he flipped out on the officials after they

1042
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: told him he been tossed out.

1043
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that' sort I guess that's what I meant.

1044
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 3: And it was the officials, not the fans, I mean,

1045
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: but he right ended up being thirty yards backwards, fifteen

1046
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 3: yard penalty, ejection, fifteen yards for going crazy.

1047
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: And I don't blame him for going crazy because it

1048
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: was a football play. That seems like a lot for

1049
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: a football play. Yeah, you lost thirty yards and your

1050
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: best defensive player possibly yeah, you know, it was a

1051
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: guy that's possibly in the running for defensive Player of

1052
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: the year. He's phenomenal, and he gets tossed out for

1053
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: again making a football play. Put yourself one of the

1054
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: biggest games of the year. In that situation, you're coming

1055
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: across at full speed. We saw it with Maka Fitzpatrick

1056
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: earlier this season when he got the penalty, and then

1057
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: the NFL comes back, So now we were wrong about that.

1058
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: Your full speed you can't pull up on those things.

1059
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: No, I know it's a problem. And again I don't

1060
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: know that going to super slow mo makes it better. No,

1061
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: I think it makes it much more egregious looking than

1062
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: what actually happened.

1063
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, that's going to do it for our number

1064
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 2: one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1065
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: Matt and I will be back with our number two

1066
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: right after this