WEBVTT - Death Becomes Her 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.800 On the bed Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.840 women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.240 or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef in best 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:17.600 start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello and welcome 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.000 to the Bechtel Cast. My name's Jamie Loftus. My name 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.239 is Caitlin Durante, and this is our podcast about yeah 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:30.040 movie and an intersectional look at our favorite movies and 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.360 your favorite movies. Not always our favorite movies. Sometimes movies 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.120 we hate, these movies we hate, other times movies we loved, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.559 but not this one, not today's movies. Okay, So we 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:45.360 are so um. Members of our patreon ak Matreon will 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:50.040 recognize this as a previous Matreon released episode. We are 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.120 unlocking an episode to get you all hyped up for 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.520 horror in October this year. So we're unlocking our Death 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.040 Becomes Her episode. And one of the reasons we're doing 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.680 that because we have been really busting our asses getting 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.440 the horror movies together for this year and it's gonna 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:13.720 be an amazing October. We've got the Descent, We've got us, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.760 We've got a girl walks home alone at night. We've 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.080 got what's the fourth way pans Labyrinths Hans Labyrinthe. Yeah, there. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.920 We we have an amazing October lined up for you, 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.240 mostly directors we haven't covered before, so look forward to that. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.440 And this is just a fun ass episode, yes, and 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.080 one of our shorter ones. We've been releasing like two 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:41.280 hour episodes lately, and this one clocks in pretty pretty 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.279 short start. To give ourselves too much of a pat 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.720 on the back, but UM listeners will know we we 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.440 live in southern California and the air is batteries. So 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.040 the fact that we are recording two episodes that have 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.000 enough you know, it's it's it's it's a miracle. It's 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.920 a miracle that we're still producing a podcast in this economy. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.840 Can you imagine? Um. 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And this is we're talking 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.960 like pretty common stuff that is still very widely used. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.040 Expressions like and I'm going to say them to let 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.520 you know, maybe what you should also try to eliminate 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.680 from your vocabulary. Vocabulary so things like that's crazy or 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.520 that was insane, or even like that's so dumb, things 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.159 like that. Yeah, the phrase stupid as well. There there's 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.600 so many common phrases that are rooted in just bigoted 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:37.720 statements against those experiencing mental illness and those with disabilities. Yeah, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.480 we we've kind of been on an ongoing education process 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.799 for ourselves as well. Clearly this is stuff we've learned 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.200 uh and begun implementing into our lives in the last year, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.919 So we a We're also going to include a link 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.040 in our description where you can learn more about that 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.640 and more about um, the origin of these common phrases 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.159 that are actively harmful. Yes, that said, we wanted to 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.440 acknowledge that because there are a few uses of language 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.120 like this in the episode, because it was prior to 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.040 us being aware of this, So do a heads up 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.560 for that. And with that, I guess let's get into 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:23.680 Death Becomes Her the best body horror movie of all time. Yeah, 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.720 let's drink our potions that will make us live forever 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:34.520 but also crumble And did you know women's bodies are terrifying. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.440 That's what I learned from this movie. We talked about 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.720 it in the episode. But we but if this is 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:44.040 your first episode of the Becktel Cast, welcome. Uh. We 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.160 look at movies that have had an impact on the world, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.600 using intersexual feminist lens, using the Bechdel test as a 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.880 jumping off point for discussion. But Caitlin, I don't remember 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.160 what the Betel test is. Did you remind me? You 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.240 say that as a joke. But I honestly, in the past, 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.400 like a couple of weeks especially, I'm really like, my 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.520 memory doesn't work anymore. I couldn't. I can't remember there's 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.040 batteries in the air that we're breathing battery acid. Like 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.320 it's horrible. I I don't like, I couldn't. I'm off 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.920 topic already. But like I when this maybe passes the 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.400 Bechdel test. But I was like trying to think of 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.760 my stand up jokes recently, and I'm like, I can't 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.760 remember any of my stand up jokes. I can't remember 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:30.640 the names of places I used to go, Like, I, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:37.040 yeah it, yeah, I was remember. I was like, oh yeah, ideally, 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.880 best case scenario, well, we will have to remember our 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.240 jokes at some point, um terrifying. No, yeah, I've also 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.240 been truly, I mean especially like extra shout out and 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.640 love to all of our listeners on the American West 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.840 Coast because it's it's tough right now and if you're 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.840 able to do mutual aid throughout this, uh please do. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.920 But we're just just it's really the worst of times. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.200 I can't remember. I can't. I was like, I, um, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.679 you want a fun little anecdote before we told them 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.800 what the Bechtel test is if you're squeamish, maybe fast 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.520 forward fifteen seconds. I was walking to seven eleven yesterday, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:20.640 bravely went outside and I got so nauseated by the 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.760 air that I threw up in my little mask. Had 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:29.040 to turn around. Oh no, it's uh sorry god. Yeah, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.560 I've been having a NonStop headache for probably the past 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:37.520 like six days now. It's really awful. It's bad. Um, 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.520 So what is the pie test? And I think all 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.840 of that puking in your mask passes the buckel totally 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.960 past the backdel past. So that's that's another example of it. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:52.360 It is, you know, not it's a flawed metric. Um, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.200 but yes, that whole conversation I believe past the Bechtel 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.240 test because of the Bechtel Test is a media metric 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:03.680 originally developed and created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:09.720 called the Bechtel Wallace Test, and it requires that. For 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.160 our purposes, we have made some adjustments to the tests 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:17.520 also another recent development of ours um but our newest 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.800 version of the test is two people of any marginalized 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:26.760 gender must have names, must speak to each other about 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:37.000 something other than a sisman. So that is the test test. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.840 It's complicated. So we use that to inspire the premise 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.280 of the show and then we dive into a much 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:52.679 deeper conversation about representation in intersectionality and inclusivity and uh, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.400 you know, Goldi Han and Meryl streep at different at 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:00.000 different times. So yes, we're we're excited to share this episode. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.520 Would we hope you enjoy it? And a reminder if 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.120 you enjoyed these episodes with just being Caitlin, it's a 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.600 little looser we're goofing around. Or if you're just running 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.760 out of episodes of the Battle cast on our main feed, 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.040 head over to the Matreon five bucks a month to 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.280 bonus episodes, and as of today, you can watch the 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.920 Titanic stream as well, so enjoy the rest of the episode. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:27.960 Enjoy the Bell cast. Jamie, what's your history with the film? 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.040 Hadn't seen it? What about you? I had only seen 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.800 it for the first time about a year ago. It 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.440 was not at all on my radar until we started 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.400 the podcast and started getting requested him. Yeah, as I 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.240 I I and I intentionally did not do a ton 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.240 of research going into the viewing experience, which I'm glad 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.719 because it is such a wild ride. What a wild ride, indeed. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.679 But yeah, I saw it. I watched it about a 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.880 year ago, and then we just rewatched it together and 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.040 now we're ready to talk about it. I'm excited. There's 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.680 a there's there's a lot going on here. Some of it. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.200 I love some of it. You know, we just have to. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.840 That's why we have the podcast, and it's it's a 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:15.040 beloved movie. It's got a cult following. What a roller 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.439 coaster the film. It is, so the story, if I 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.920 may please do, thank you so much. We meet Madeline 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:30.400 Ashton Meryl Street. Welcome, We take a hard left, take 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.480 a car to Meryl Street. One of our weaker persistent jokes, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.880 I disagree you're right, you're right, you're right. When you're right, 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:45.800 you're right. Um. She is an actor, a musical theater performer. Um. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.480 But people don't like her anymore because they think she 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.440 is old and has lost her touch. But there is 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.120 one person who does still love her, and that is 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.880 Ernest Menville. Bruce Willis's character is a great Bruce Willis 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.800 the role of a lifetime. I would say, oh yeah. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:09.440 He is a cosmetic surgeon. And the fiance of Helen Sharp, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.360 which is Goldie Hawn, who is a front of me 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:18.959 of Madeleine's. She's a writer. She's a writer, which Madeleine 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.000 really undermined. She's like, are you still doing that writing 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:29.960 thing right? Which is personally triggering. Sure, and then Helen's 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.520 all like, oh my god, Ernest, you don't like Madeleine, 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.360 do you? And He's like, no, I have no interest 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.080 in her whatsoever. Cutt, I'm getting married. This is the 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:45.199 campiest movie with a fifty five million dollar budget that's 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:51.000 ever been filmed. It's well, okay, I would welcome contenders 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.439 and consume them happily. Sure, this is a very expensive 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.800 camp movie. Right. Then we cut to seven years later 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.160 and Helen has a wait and she is now a 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:07.080 crazy cat lady. She's evicted. Classic trope. Oh yeah, we'll 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:14.320 talk about it. She is evicted from her apartment, she's institutionalized, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:19.920 and she's completely obsessed with Madeline Ashton's demise. Right and 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.720 then she and then we found flash forward seven years again. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:29.560 Right and Madeleine and Ernest's marriage is not healthy. He's 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.960 an alcoholic. He is no longer a plastic surgeon, at 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:38.320 least like not for living people. He instead now makes 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:46.680 corpses look presentable for their funerals. Ya. Then, Madeleine receives 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:52.360 an invitation from Helen for Helen's book party, and Madeline 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.360 wants to look her best for the event, so she 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:59.320 goes in for a treatment to get rejuvenated, and a 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:06.360 guy there tells Madeleine about Lisel von Ruman ak Isabella. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:13.360 She can help, but he is weird, so Madeleine ignores him. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.280 Then she goes to Helen's event, and surprise, Goldie Hawn 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.760 has taken off the fat suit and she is a 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:26.920 successful writer. And Madeleine is not handling this well, so 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:33.360 she decides to go to Lisa von Ruman's place castle 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:39.240 and she sells Madeleine a potion that will reverse the 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:44.440 aging process, and it works, and her body tightens up 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.640 and her face looks younger in some of them. Us. 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:52.960 I mean, there's so much I think spectacular body horror 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:59.120 in this movie, and uh, this is just the beginning. Meanwhile, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:04.080 Helen has gone to Earnest to seduce him and sabotage 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.920 his relationship with Madeline, and she proposes a plan where 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.280 they drug and kill Madeleine but make it look like 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:17.080 an accident, and Madeleine returns home and she and Ernest 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.520 get into an argument and then he pushes her down 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:24.400 the stairs. And I truly I found and you know 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.640 that I need to watch this movie more. But I 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.040 found the moment where Meryl Streep is rocking back and 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.040 forth defying gravity on the stairs and we're like, is 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:36.760 she's going to fall or not to be the most 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.840 profound moment of the movie, because I think this movie 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:46.160 basically boils down to women versus the forces of gravity 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.800 over time, because it is that's a movie about aging, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.960 and like was because this is like a pretty solid 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.680 creative team. I'm like, I wonder if someone was thinking 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.600 that because it is just like women versus gravity is 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.359 a central force in it. That's my little thought. What 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.360 a brilliant thought, Jamie so much. I did my best 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:15.120 on that one anyway. So yeah, they've gotten into an argument. Um, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.320 they're screaming at each other, they're calling each other nasty names. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.360 He is strangling her and then he pushes her down 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.320 the stairs and she breaks her neck, and then Ernest 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.399 calls Helen freaking out, and they're trying to figure out 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.800 what to do. And as they're talking through it, uh, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.560 Madeleine gets up off the floor because she's taken this potion. 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.840 She didn't die, even though her head is on backwards 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:45.040 now right, which is not easy to look at. The 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:52.720 whatever effects they did to accomplish that particular image is 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:58.000 troubling and scary and weird. So we're being weirdly like 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.320 diplomatic about it or like it is easy to view 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.120 with your eyeball. It just isn't. I mean, they did 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.200 the best with what they could in ninety what year 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.240 was it too? Oh see, I think it looks like 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.200 a little too close to real. This one an Academy 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.399 Award for Visual Effects, did it? Really? It is the 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:25.359 only thing it was nominated for it and it won. Wow, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.240 I know, which is really just a testament to and 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.680 you know that that means not recent. Sure, I mean 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:40.120 Zamachas is a visual effects king. I'll say it. I've 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.879 seen back to she said it. I can't believe she 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:49.840 finally said it. I mean, he's no James Cameron. But 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:54.240 who's going on with this today? I missed the Matrion. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:55.960 It's well, it's been a really long time since we 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.680 recorded a Matreon episode. I know, it's been really long 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.760 since we haven't had a refer e in the room 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:06.080 being like, wrap it up, idiots, it's good, it feels good. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.960 So Madeleine turns her head back around and then yes, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.720 She's like, Earnest, I need to see a doctor. So 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.160 he takes her to the e R. But she doesn't 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.440 have a heartbeat, and it turns out she is legally dead, 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:21.840 but she's still awake and moving around and she seems 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:26.440 alive because of this potion. But Earnest, being the doctor 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.920 science man that he is, thinks that this is a 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.640 cosmic sign that they should be together after all, which 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.640 is confusing. You know, No, I mean, he's he's an 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.320 interesting I'm like, I'm not quite sure what the comments 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.679 on masculinity is there, but there but it's something sure 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.119 true tv D and he takes her home and tries 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:51.080 to fix up her broken body, but Helen comes back 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.960 over and Madeleine overhears her talking to Earnest about their 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.080 plan to kill her, so Madeleine takes a rifle and 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:05.360 shoots Helen with it, but surprise, Hell has also taken 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.440 Liesel von Rumans potion, so she doesn't die, even though 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.840 she has a huge gaping hole in her mid section right, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.680 and then she and Madeleine start physically fighting each other. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.080 They're hitting each other's shovels, but then they realize there's 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.800 no point in that because neither of them can be 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.879 injured or die. And then they get to a point 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.560 where they both admit their wrongdoings and apologize for hurting 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.200 each other in the past. Uh and then they make 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.280 Ernest fix them up, but he's like, I'll do it, 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.720 but then I'm going to leave forever after that and 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.320 you'll never see me again. But then they worry. They're 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.040 like ship, like, we're gonna need touch ups, Like what 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.000 if it rains and he's not going to live forever 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.560 and we need him around. So they decide to take 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.160 him to Leesl's and make him drink the potion to right, 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.320 there's a lot of intermittent violence and this will have 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.560 to backtrack to and they know he won't go willingly, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.720 so they first try to drug him. That doesn't work, 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.040 and then they knock him out and take him to 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:18.280 Lisl's castle. She almost succeeds in convincing Earnest to drink 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.120 the potion, but at the last minute he's like, wait 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.640 a minute, I don't want to live forever. That sounds awful, 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.920 and then he gets away. He's not wrong, and then 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.880 Madeleine and Helen spot him and chase after him through 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:36.160 this like ball that Lisel's throwing all of her clients, 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:42.600 of whom include Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, and Andy Warhol ha 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.840 ha funny. So he's trying to escape via the roof 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.800 Earnest is and he slips and falls and he's dangling 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:51.720 there and he's about to fall to his death, and 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.000 Madeline and Helen are like, oh, man, you got to 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.600 take the potion because then if you fall, you won't die. 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:02.040 But he refuses and then he falls, but he lands 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.199 in a swimming pool, so he lives. And then he 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.600 finally gets away and Madeline and Helen are like, well, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:10.280 I guess we'll just have to take care of each 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.560 other and paint each other's asses. I kind of like that, 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.359 so did I. I know, I'm just like man, that 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.160 is kind of like, you know, for some of us 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.000 being toxic, it's nice to be toxic and also not alone. 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.960 That's true. They just start doomed to an eternity of 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:31.760 toxic friendship together. And then we cut to thirty seven 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.920 years later, which let me do the math here, because 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.280 the movie starts when it's ninety eight, and then seven 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.120 years passed, and then seven more years passed, and then 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:50.320 thirty seven years passed, putting us at ten years from now. 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:55.800 So Bruce Willis has ten years left to live. Let's 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.960 be very careful. But it has been said, it wasn't 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:07.800 not said diplomatic. Well, yeah, that's an official statement. Okay. 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:12.639 So it's thirty seven years later. Madeline and Helen are 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:17.680 at Ernest's funeral, but they're chipping, they're melting, they're falling apart, 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:22.080 and then they fall down some stairs and break into bits, 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.399 but they're still alive. In Helen's like, do you remember 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.359 where you parked in the car? And then that's the 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:30.719 end of the movie did it? Did It Do? And 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:36.720 that's the whole thing. Yep, you know, I like the movie. 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.680 It's very fun. It's so campy, it's fun with it. 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.200 It's wild. Um let's take a quick break and then 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:54.000 we'll come right back. So let's dive in. Yeah. Well, 0:23:54.600 --> 0:24:00.520 the first thing for me is that this movie, it 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:04.080 seems like it is like trying to be a commentary 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:09.240 on how society doesn't value older women. I totally agree 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.399 with society doesn't tends not to find older women to 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.919 be attractive. But I think it does not really go 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:20.520 far enough because then the movie focuses on, uh, these 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:24.960 two women who hate each other, and then they do 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.760 end up finding a common ground, but really only because 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.920 they have no other choice. This to me, it does 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.320 feel like kind of like a swell to that we 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.080 just happened to have covered a lot of movies that 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:39.639 kind of fall into this category recently, but like a 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:43.359 very earnest attempt to make a comment on something that 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:47.399 the writers are not necessarily qualified to make. The comment 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.480 to this movie is uh spoiler alert. As with most 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:56.159 movies written by multiple men um and directed by and 0:24:56.240 --> 0:25:01.159 directed by Mr Zemecki himself. Um, yeah, I mean, this 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.719 movie was written by David cope Um, who also was 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.160 at least a co writer on Jurassic Park. Curtly does 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.240 right vision impossible, snake eyes, don't know what that is. 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.280 He's written a lot of damn movies, what I'm saying, 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:20.399 as well as Martin Donovan, who is also a famous screenwriter. 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.760 So it does seem like and based on the production 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.360 history that we'll get into in Jamie's contact corner, this 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.600 was a genuine attempt to make comment on women's aging 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:36.440 by people who you know, couldn't really fully understand it themselves. 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.239 And so I feel like, well, I don't feel like, 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.840 you know what, make a declarative statement for once in 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.919 your life, Jamie. I know based on watching the movie 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:50.199 that even though I think that the criticism of you 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:54.760 know how there's a huge stigma against women's aging is 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.159 made in the movie, movie is also very much not 0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:02.000 above reducing an age woman's body to a cheap joke 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.080 or a women's body in general, because there's a lot 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.960 of issues with that shaming in this and there's like 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.080 so it is like a weird back and forth and 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.880 it is extremely campy, but that doesn't excuse it from 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:22.160 anything of making like pretty solid foundational points about like society. 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.560 We live in a society Caalen, right what, and society 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:29.520 should not push women to the point of feeling like 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:33.560 they have to go to, let's say, extreme measures to 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.920 preserve their youth in order to function in society as 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.440