Speaker 1: Hello guys, woo with twenty twenty three Here with My
Speaker 1: Girl day vun heck girl, Hello day and you were
Speaker 1: listening to the Official Challenge podcast. So excited for today's
Speaker 1: interview and today's episode was a lot shout out to
Speaker 1: the people over at Reddit. They were talking about how
Speaker 1: much they loved this podcast. Recently they did a little
Speaker 1: post on it. So I just want to shout out
Speaker 1: our Reddit friends and family. Love you guys, day. What
Speaker 1: did you feel about today's episode? Oh, this episode was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was a long episode, but I felt like it
Speaker 1: wasn't so long to where I was like, Okay, right,
Speaker 1: is it over? I felt like, oh, you're I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm here. Oh, I'm here, I'm here. I stay focused
Speaker 1: in the episode the entire time. They gave us some
Speaker 1: good stuff. Although I would like to have a conversation
Speaker 1: with TJ because where were all of these twists and
Speaker 1: turns when I was playing a game like I would
Speaker 1: have loved these extra Mario Luigi lives to be able
Speaker 1: to come back into the game like hello, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I could have used though. Those that's those are those
Speaker 1: are the questions to ask? That is one hundred percent
Speaker 1: true because they're getting time after time to come back.
Speaker 1: So only did they get to come back in the house,
Speaker 1: they now get to compete again to automatically go back
Speaker 1: into the game, right because they're doing and an instant
Speaker 1: sort of like almost like two eliminations by having the
Speaker 1: three teams go against each other one gets to stay
Speaker 1: and then doing another one competition that we'll see again
Speaker 1: next week. A lot was going on. You know, I
Speaker 1: liked the daily I don't love that it wasn't a
Speaker 1: cumulative timed event, which we'll talk about in time Out
Speaker 1: and gold Stars Day. Let's start with you, though, Who
Speaker 1: is your gold Star of the week and why y'all
Speaker 1: know me? I'm always rooting for the little engine that
Speaker 1: could because I think I'm the little engine that could,
Speaker 1: and so Harassio did it for me um this this episode.
Speaker 1: Definitely he was a little engine that could because going
Speaker 1: into that elimination, baby, all of I would have been broke,
Speaker 1: broke as a joke with a hope, because all of
Speaker 1: my money was on Jordan, Okay, and he came out
Speaker 1: and he just fucked that's all he did. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know what he did. He beat Jordan at his
Speaker 1: own game, like we'll talk a little later. How I
Speaker 1: bring up the elimination with Jordan and Josh, how he
Speaker 1: was mental instead of strength. That's exactly what had Rosie
Speaker 1: at the time. He psyched him out, baked him out.
Speaker 1: I mean hood too. He did that really really well,
Speaker 1: who's your time out of the week? Fasty don't take
Speaker 1: it personally, Okay, I appreciate you as a human being,
Speaker 1: but baby, I was not a fan of how you
Speaker 1: hit that light switch when Mariah came back. Because listen,
Speaker 1: when he thought he was out of the game, it
Speaker 1: was darkness. Okay, like his whole world came to a stop.
Speaker 1: But as soon as she walked through and TJ let
Speaker 1: them know, Okay, gonna be with your partner, then it's us.
Speaker 1: We're back together. It's this is the Drake voice. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan. That's fair.
Speaker 1: That's fair for my gold stars. I have to say, there,
Speaker 1: you know a couple honorable mentions, you know, one of
Speaker 1: them being surprisingly bananas and glasses. I thought he looked
Speaker 1: really cute and glasses, So I'm just gonna put that
Speaker 1: out yet, that was great. Devin and his rap name
Speaker 1: Young Dagger, thought that was also loved that moment. Loved
Speaker 1: you know, props too, Fessie, because I thought he would
Speaker 1: be one to really struggle on the daily because he's
Speaker 1: so tall and because he has big feet and the
Speaker 1: pole is so small and so just navigating that it's
Speaker 1: more surface area that he has to cover, like that
Speaker 1: makes it harder. But he killed it, and as we
Speaker 1: find out in today's interview, sounds like twice when he
Speaker 1: both times that he killed it, and we know TJ
Speaker 1: said it was his time alone that made his team win.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to say my gold star almost
Speaker 1: goes to Fessie, but really it's gonna go to Harassio
Speaker 1: because the grace with which he won and that fabulous hair.
Speaker 1: He looked great doing it. I know I'm not the
Speaker 1: super visual, but really, I mean, you know, call it
Speaker 1: is what it is. But but we see him win,
Speaker 1: and we see him do so in the opposite way
Speaker 1: that Sarah Lacina did it for the Challenge USA. You know,
Speaker 1: Sarah wins like you know, drawing chicken bones and cutting
Speaker 1: necks and all of that, and Harassio is just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: kat one and coming back He's doing doing it with
Speaker 1: such Grace. I don't know how he's doing it and
Speaker 1: managing to keep his cool. And then for my timeouts
Speaker 1: of the week, you know, there are a couple other
Speaker 1: honorable mentions. I don't love the way Jordan was treating
Speaker 1: Tory still, Like, I just don't love the way that
Speaker 1: he kind of talks to her. Not a huge fan
Speaker 1: of that. Also, don't love that Johnny compared Harassio to
Speaker 1: a venereal disease um and is you know when he
Speaker 1: said that Harassi was like herpes and just won't go away, like,
Speaker 1: you know, side eyed that a little bit, but ultimately
Speaker 1: I'd say my timeout goes to and we love him.
Speaker 1: Here on the podcast, Chauncey p Jordan the fact that
Speaker 1: he just quit like that and was just like Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try, Like I I just can't,
Speaker 1: you know. And I saw Amber run back to when
Speaker 1: they got put back into the Pairents. She's like, I'm
Speaker 1: glad to be with my baby, and I'm thinking, but
Speaker 1: are you really though? Is your partner just I you know,
Speaker 1: I get it, but like he really just out of
Speaker 1: everybody up there, was the only one that was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try and and that part I
Speaker 1: don't love. So I'm sorry, CHAUNCYP. We still love you,
Speaker 1: but yo behind needs to go sit in time out. Also,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions for Tory. When is
Speaker 1: she coming back, Questions for Tory about what's happening come home,
Speaker 1: how she feels, what's going on. When Jordan got eliminated,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe Tory can get some peace, and she
Speaker 1: got about thirty seconds of it and came right on
Speaker 1: back in the house. So a lot going on, but
Speaker 1: also Day we have to talk about it. All four
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Speaker 1: I know you're all the way in La, so you
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Speaker 1: I went to see it for us and it took
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Speaker 1: so cool. Whoa, but this week we have Okay, you
Speaker 1: guys have been talking about it on social media. Was
Speaker 1: Davon and Josh were they supposed to be on this
Speaker 1: Seasons of Ride or Dies? And the answer is yes,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find out what really happened. We're gonna
Speaker 1: find out because rumor is that Davon chickened out. We're
Speaker 1: gonna find out what really happened, why they were on it,
Speaker 1: why they consider themselves Ride or Dies. We're even going
Speaker 1: to test them and see how well they know each other,
Speaker 1: and Josh is sporting a bit of a new look,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that too. So much good stuff
Speaker 1: happening in this interview. It's a lot of fun. I
Speaker 1: think you'll get to see a different side of Josh,
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna want to miss it. So you know,
Speaker 1: grab a snack, go do an errand go somewhere, but
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, and we'll be right back after this
Speaker 1: commercial break. WHOA today, it's such an exciting episode because
Speaker 1: we have my friend, my brother, my almost rider die
Speaker 1: Josh Martinez is with us today. Yes, thank you for
Speaker 1: coming hang out with us. What's up? Man? What's up?
Speaker 1: Bam one. I'm super excited always get to talk to
Speaker 1: you and catch up with you, but I'm really excited
Speaker 1: to be on the podcast with you and Dev So yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Yes, I'm so excited that you
Speaker 1: decided to come and hang out with us. Man. This
Speaker 1: season has been chaotic. It's been kayodic on social media
Speaker 1: and on the actual show. Have you been seeing things
Speaker 1: on social media that's like you? Oh, I mean every
Speaker 1: day every Wednesday? I think. Honestly, I keep up with
Speaker 1: the show mainly on social media. Have really good friends
Speaker 1: on it that obviously keep me up to speed and
Speaker 1: have totally kind of what went down. But I haven't
Speaker 1: really watched. I watched a few episodes here in there,
Speaker 1: but it is a little hard for me to get into.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but yeah, I keep up with
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't detach myself. I have people that
Speaker 1: are like family on there, so yes, So why is
Speaker 1: it hard for you to watch it? Josh? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you start this day because I still have
Speaker 1: so many questions to be answered. Um, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think at first it was pretty hard. You know.
Speaker 1: I've been so I've been part of the show for
Speaker 1: a few years and I've done five straight seasons, so
Speaker 1: for me to not be on and the way it
Speaker 1: all went down and kind of just like threw me off.
Speaker 1: But now with the time that went by, it's probably
Speaker 1: the best thing that happened for me, because mentally, I
Speaker 1: feel like I needed to detach a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1: So let's rewind for those listeners who aren't in the
Speaker 1: Twitter streets or in Day's neighborhood, since she is the
Speaker 1: mayor of Twitter. For what's going on you, Day, alleged,
Speaker 1: you know, mentioned you guys were going to be right
Speaker 1: or dies. There's rumors you guys were going to be
Speaker 1: on this season. There are rumors of you know, one
Speaker 1: or both of you backing out. Can you just clear
Speaker 1: up walk us through what really happened. Were you actually
Speaker 1: supposed to be on the season and then ultimately and
Speaker 1: this is for both of you, m Josh, you just
Speaker 1: said you kind of are happy that it worked out
Speaker 1: the way that it did day I'd like to know
Speaker 1: if you feel that same way or if you wish
Speaker 1: you guys could have been on this season. You want
Speaker 1: to go first, No, I'll let you go. Okay, So
Speaker 1: first of all, Josh, you went on a podcast and
Speaker 1: said I backed out, and that's not what happened at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't back out of the season. I was not
Speaker 1: medically cleared. Now, those of you who know, I have
Speaker 1: been battling with fibroids since I had my daughter, and
Speaker 1: so this particular time, it was really really bad and
Speaker 1: I didn't get medically clear to be able to do
Speaker 1: the show from my main doctor, not MTV is doctor,
Speaker 1: my doctor. I wasn't medically clearer to go and so
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it this time. But I did not
Speaker 1: back out. I was more than ready to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: And yes, we were one hundred percent confirmed to be
Speaker 1: Righted Eyes this season. Yes, okay, so that's yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: So that's my I'm sorry, I love you, that is true.
Speaker 1: My only thing will with that whole situation was I
Speaker 1: we were flying out. We got our boarding not our
Speaker 1: boarding passes, but we got told we were flying out Saturday.
Speaker 1: I didn't find out you were not clear till that Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I think it was Tuesday morning. So I was packed,
Speaker 1: everything was packed. I was ready to go. And then
Speaker 1: they call me and they're like, hey, um, Davon can't
Speaker 1: make it on. Can your sisters still get confirmed to
Speaker 1: go on the show? And I said what? So they
Speaker 1: literally that night blew out my sister after they originally
Speaker 1: wanted my sister and I said no, and I entertained
Speaker 1: it for a little bit and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I can't do the show. I can't put
Speaker 1: my family on it. And what did your sister say
Speaker 1: about it? Did she want to do it? Yeah? Maybe
Speaker 1: it was game made. It was down. This is the thing.
Speaker 1: This would have been my sixties season and I was going,
Speaker 1: I was going in. I haven't made a final, I
Speaker 1: hadn't won, Like my intention is solely to just go
Speaker 1: in there and win. Now, Like that's where my mind's at,
Speaker 1: and maybe is good. But she's not athletically bailed and
Speaker 1: mentally she's I mean if I'm an emotional wreck eighties
Speaker 1: like times ten, So yeah, maybe agree to that or
Speaker 1: would she look at you? Okay, she would agree. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's tell the truth. Maybe it's absolutely drop dead gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I want those people there calls all over her, That's
Speaker 1: what it was, Okay, gorgeous, And it's like, y'all are
Speaker 1: not about how did you making this call for her?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like, you know, uh, that's a big
Speaker 1: decision and I totally get why you would feel that way,
Speaker 1: and like Day said, you probably didn't want you know,
Speaker 1: them them boys in the house all over, But that's
Speaker 1: also a big decision for someone else's life too, So like,
Speaker 1: how did your sister feel about you making that call
Speaker 1: of not wanting her to come on? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: daven can kind of speak on the two shrees. Met
Speaker 1: my family and we're all we all love her to death.
Speaker 1: But I think my family, like my life back home
Speaker 1: is so peaceful, my my sister lives a really good life.
Speaker 1: And for me, it was more of like I've struggled,
Speaker 1: like not to get all deep and stuff, but I
Speaker 1: struggled really bad with our men. Yeah, I've struggled with
Speaker 1: my mental health really bad from just dealing with not
Speaker 1: the show to say, but kind of the hate and
Speaker 1: the aftermath that comes with being on the show. And
Speaker 1: for me, that was the biggest decision. I was like,
Speaker 1: I cannot. My sister's a model and she you know,
Speaker 1: she's been doing this since she was thirteen. I was like,
Speaker 1: God forbid, you know, they already fucking I get so
Speaker 1: much shit online and I can do with it. I'm
Speaker 1: at the point where I'm numb and I accepted and
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. But like, I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: bring my family into it, and then they have to
Speaker 1: deal with that, and I kind of see it a
Speaker 1: little bit with Kenny and Casey, so so I was
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know what, like this is my world,
Speaker 1: this is my life. You didn't sign up for this,
Speaker 1: So I, in a sense, it was me protecting her.
Speaker 1: Do I wish do I wish it would have gone
Speaker 1: that route. No. But then when production called me after
Speaker 1: I turned that down, production calls me to like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Davon she pitched you. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait what, I didn't even know if she
Speaker 1: was doing this show. I was like, yeah, I literally
Speaker 1: I was scrack. Maybe forget her. That's it. It was
Speaker 1: like early I want to say it was early eight.
Speaker 1: I think it was even March. Still, it was early.
Speaker 1: It was really early on into the casting process and
Speaker 1: I was like done, I'm sold. I don't need to
Speaker 1: say anything more. M They're like sending a two minute
Speaker 1: video on like guys, Dave onto my partner. So we
Speaker 1: were locked. Ye from the very we were pretty much
Speaker 1: locked from the very start. And yeah, and then it
Speaker 1: just it didn't happen, which sucks. But I think for
Speaker 1: me I would have. I think me and Davon would
Speaker 1: have done really well. Man. I think we would have
Speaker 1: been really good socially Game one. She's a based and
Speaker 1: I think we would have done. I think we would
Speaker 1: have made the final. Honestly, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be very honest. I believe you are a staple on
Speaker 1: this show, but I also agree with you you needed
Speaker 1: a break. Do you need a break for many reasons.
Speaker 1: For one, for you, I feel like you and just
Speaker 1: everything about you, you needed a break and you needed
Speaker 1: to reset and restart. But also because I do be
Speaker 1: in these Twitter streets. Okay, Yes, people have started to
Speaker 1: see that the show needs you. They've recognized your absence
Speaker 1: and like, dang, if Josh was here, at least we
Speaker 1: would get this. If Josh was here, we get that.
Speaker 1: If Josh was here, he would have brought this. So
Speaker 1: people have noticed what the show was like without you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, a lot of people aren't
Speaker 1: really happy about it. So that's good. You gave people
Speaker 1: an opportunity to miss you, you know, and to grow
Speaker 1: up that facial hair because it's looking good. But it's
Speaker 1: looking good, Josh, kind of little deck swag going on.
Speaker 1: It's good, like you know, yeah, for when you do
Speaker 1: come back. So does this mean, then, Josh and you
Speaker 1: day okay, that we came on to seeing either of
Speaker 1: you on a future season of the Challenge. Davon cough cough, Davon, Yeah,
Speaker 1: take this one away. I'm gonna let you handle that question. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you guys can find me right here on
Speaker 1: the podcast that that was not the question and we're
Speaker 1: not gonna let it ride. And just for you guys
Speaker 1: who don't know our listeners, Davon said to me, what
Speaker 1: was this like two years ago? We were in La?
Speaker 1: Uh huh? And for those who don't know, I am
Speaker 1: a matchmaker. That is actually my normal and real and
Speaker 1: I was speaking at the Black Love Summit in La
Speaker 1: and day she did, she did, and it was wonderful
Speaker 1: having there and I was like, day, are you gonna
Speaker 1: go back? Like she was like, girl, I'm never doing
Speaker 1: that again. I'm not doing it. And I was like really,
Speaker 1: She's like nope, And then here we come here and
Speaker 1: that she was gonna be ride er dies with Josh
Speaker 1: and a mind you. She and I have keptain Texas
Speaker 1: whole time, and she's over here like inching her way towards.
Speaker 1: So I want to know, with Davon, is there a
Speaker 1: good chance we will see you within the next couple
Speaker 1: of seasons back on the challenge and don't like and
Speaker 1: see your face right now. I also want to point
Speaker 1: out that if everything is, if I would have gotten here,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be on the podcast, so we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been down before. While you're gone, keep your seat at
Speaker 1: the table for when you come back, just like we
Speaker 1: do with Tori and Anissa. Now, Davon, yes or no? Question,
Speaker 1: Can them folks because they you know, they want to
Speaker 1: see Now you're just teasing your creup. Can your folks
Speaker 1: expect to see you at some point in the next
Speaker 1: few seasons back on the Challenge? Yes or no? I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't know what God has in store for my life.
Speaker 1: So if you got a call to do the Challenge,
Speaker 1: you've got a call today and then he Challenge next season,
Speaker 1: would you say yes or no? We will not move
Speaker 1: on from this until I get a yes or no.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, no, same. I gave Big Brother three,
Speaker 1: so it's only fair that I gave the Challenge three.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Yes, she Devon is officially back on
Speaker 1: the Challenge. Mar No firstial Challenge podcast. We will let
Speaker 1: you know as soon as we know she's gonna be
Speaker 1: on the next season. Don't worry, okay, listen. I also
Speaker 1: I like to add to that, and I think you know,
Speaker 1: Davon can admit there's not one season that goes by
Speaker 1: that I don't call Davon and I'm like, did you
Speaker 1: say yes? Every signs I sign my contract, I'm like,
Speaker 1: send me a photo of you signing your contracts, Like, no,
Speaker 1: not doing it started, don't you guys become so close?
Speaker 1: Like for those who don't know, obviously you guys both
Speaker 1: have the Big Brother background and the Challenge background, But
Speaker 1: how did you two become so close? It was Big Brother. Um,
Speaker 1: he won his season and I came. I came to
Speaker 1: his finale and then I came on stage. I just
Speaker 1: hugged him and I just held him so tight, and
Speaker 1: it was just like this instant connection. And then we
Speaker 1: went to Vegas and that was like that was it.
Speaker 1: We went to Vegas, and the bond was just ridiculous
Speaker 1: from that point on, Like nobody will tell me anything
Speaker 1: about him like that one of my brother He's been
Speaker 1: learning about Josh and Vegas. Dave. Josh is a quiet Okay.
Speaker 1: We had no we had a really we had a
Speaker 1: really good time. But day has always been like family.
Speaker 1: I don't even think Dave knows the story. I honestly
Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to even my TV, like
Speaker 1: Big Brother was because of Dave on like I so
Speaker 1: I don't. I tried out for her original season season seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I was the semi finalists and I didn't get on,
Speaker 1: and I was yeah, and I was obsessed with the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a huge fan. And I watched
Speaker 1: her that summer and instantly my family that was like
Speaker 1: our family show. We don't really watch to be a
Speaker 1: big brother survivor. That's like my dad's thing. And I
Speaker 1: remember watching Davon and it was Davon and Victor for me.
Speaker 1: Victor was on that season also, and they just gave
Speaker 1: me hope. I was like, you know what, like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: I connected with this guy, connected with this guy so much.
Speaker 1: I was like they were such like I was just
Speaker 1: rooting for them, like I was a fan. I was
Speaker 1: a fan first. I was a fan of Dave first,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then I get to meet her,
Speaker 1: and when I got off of the show, I didn't
Speaker 1: have well, I see her, and then they gave me
Speaker 1: kind of like all right, I'm gonna go for this
Speaker 1: one more time. And then two years later, I get
Speaker 1: on my season and I win, but I get off
Speaker 1: of the show. I didn't have much a lump support,
Speaker 1: and Davon was always somebody like, hey, if you need anything,
Speaker 1: I know it's tough, you can call me, and I
Speaker 1: was getting shipped by a lot of big brother alm
Speaker 1: so for her to like extend that olive branch and
Speaker 1: just show that love, and I was like, damn it.
Speaker 1: And I was a fan of you. I was like,
Speaker 1: I fucking love this girl. Um and then I come
Speaker 1: out to the challenge and she takes me in. So
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, it's always been nothing but love
Speaker 1: and someone that I look at like family, and like
Speaker 1: I owe her so much. As she doesn't know that,
Speaker 1: you know. That's what I was going to bring up
Speaker 1: a lot of people who don't know. But you are
Speaker 1: the reason me and Amanda are friends, Amanda Garcia, you
Speaker 1: are the sole reason that her and I are friends
Speaker 1: because remember when you came back on War of the World,
Speaker 1: because she became your partner and she was my enemy,
Speaker 1: Like my whole goal that season was to take her
Speaker 1: out as easily and as quickly as possible day. But
Speaker 1: when she became your partner, I was like, damn, I
Speaker 1: got a protector because she was her brother, Like I
Speaker 1: have no choice, but yeah, I was very protective of
Speaker 1: you that season, and everybody had it. And so it
Speaker 1: was just like when they when we were talking about
Speaker 1: writer Dies, I was like, duh, who else? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I agree, I completely agree. Oh you guys. Um, speaking
Speaker 1: of writer Dies, let's talk a little bit about this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot happened. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: don't know about y'all, but it felt like it was
Speaker 1: the longest day and challenge history in this episode. Like
Speaker 1: a lot was happening and he just kept going and going.
Speaker 1: There was a lot, and I'm glad that we got
Speaker 1: to see a lot, but it felt I know, if
Speaker 1: it felt like a long day for us watching it,
Speaker 1: it had to feel like for the people that were
Speaker 1: actually competing. Yeah. Uh, Josh, what did you think about
Speaker 1: the Daily? Um? The Nightly? Right? It was good? Listen.
Speaker 1: I Like I said, I haven't really watched the season,
Speaker 1: but I'm so hooked just watching this episode that i
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go back and just bench watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing because it was so good. U such a
Speaker 1: great episode, And honestly, it was so much that I
Speaker 1: kind of forgot. Okay, Josh, you know what I was
Speaker 1: rooting for you when they were walking on the beach,
Speaker 1: they were at night Okay, we listen. I'm just invested in.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm that last elimination,
Speaker 1: but we'll get to that anyways. Um, the beam. That's
Speaker 1: why I love the show, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I'm going to come back, because of that
Speaker 1: adrenaline junkie ship where you're faced with your fear and
Speaker 1: you have no escape but to fucking face it, like
Speaker 1: you cannot chu and just not do it much. I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'd rather I'd rather die. I'm sorry. Oh
Speaker 1: but man, my respect just went down below the floor.
Speaker 1: I care if you shit the bed. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you bed or if you have a horrible fucking round,
Speaker 1: but at least give it a try. Um, And that's
Speaker 1: what the challenge is about. You get me, You're gonna
Speaker 1: where where? Like what other show are you standing on
Speaker 1: the side of a fucking building going down the front like?
Speaker 1: So this is the opportunity for you to challenge yourself, um,
Speaker 1: and kind of put yourself to the test and face
Speaker 1: your fear. So, I mean, I'm not gonna shit on
Speaker 1: the guy, but yeah, it was kind of lame to
Speaker 1: see that, but you know, at least give it a go.
Speaker 1: He didn't even try at all. And I didn't love
Speaker 1: that the team didn't really get penalized for that, especially
Speaker 1: since the other team anyway was at a seat disadvantage
Speaker 1: with like fewer players, you know, arguably not as strong players. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't love that. You know, if they had done
Speaker 1: something where it was like cumulative time, then you know,
Speaker 1: we're like, if one player doesn't do it, then that's
Speaker 1: automatically three minutes added to your total time of how
Speaker 1: long it took her something, and not a kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: so that it kind of balanced out for the other team.
Speaker 1: But I didn't love that he just kind of got
Speaker 1: like a eye roll and then nothing else happened to him.
Speaker 1: And I kind of feel, you know, yeah, not like
Speaker 1: our prison system, which is messed up in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, but at the very least he shouldn't been
Speaker 1: able to vote, you know, like you commit a felon
Speaker 1: that you can't. But like, I don't know, they were
Speaker 1: just I felt like, he really, she's not season it'll
Speaker 1: come back or a future episode did it'll come back
Speaker 1: to bite him because people aren't going to forget that.
Speaker 1: But I just really didn't like that he was able
Speaker 1: to be like no, not really going to do it
Speaker 1: and then faced no repercussions at all. Like, I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree, Josh, how do you think we would have done?
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't with your ride or die, but
Speaker 1: if it were, how do you think we would have
Speaker 1: done on that daily? Well, you've done you're good. You're
Speaker 1: good at things. I think you're kind of the same way.
Speaker 1: Like we would have been scared shitless, but we would
Speaker 1: have done it. You know, have coordination though, Well, we
Speaker 1: would have had it so scared. This is the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this show has completely canny curse on here. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's completely fucked up my mind. Like I am driven
Speaker 1: by fear now, I'm like, I'm scared of it. There's
Speaker 1: no like I went. I went um, you know, like
Speaker 1: I went skydiving. I was like, can we go higher?
Speaker 1: I was like, this is fucking nuting, Like I'm so
Speaker 1: driven by being scared of shit. But I do love heights,
Speaker 1: So I think we would have done good. The ballots
Speaker 1: part probably would have sh but uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we would have done all right. I just
Speaker 1: want to point out there I want to heights challenge
Speaker 1: and I want to blindfold it. Get a girl agree.
Speaker 1: I agree, I remember that. Okay, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't think. But the elements here that were interesting is
Speaker 1: it wasn't just heights. I'm with you two. I love
Speaker 1: a good heights challenge, Like the higher, the better I'm
Speaker 1: off were it. And I like seeing people get scared
Speaker 1: because it usually means those that aren't scared having advantage
Speaker 1: right to a degree because you're not tripping up of it.
Speaker 1: So I always love that when people are like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, heights or oh my god, water, I'm like, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh where it's endurance, I'm like, oh, hell, but
Speaker 1: the big Like, I was surprised that Bessie did so
Speaker 1: well because with the beam being so narrow and small
Speaker 1: and those little round things they had to like dance along.
Speaker 1: I feel like a disadvantage just having big just being tall, right,
Speaker 1: you have more to balance having big feet, right, because
Speaker 1: you're you're balancing with someone else's feet, so you need
Speaker 1: to like make room for them to be able to
Speaker 1: stand on the board or whatever with him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was really shocked that Bessie killed it like that
Speaker 1: because I thought they would probably struggle the most because again,
Speaker 1: trying to fit both feet on the thing at the
Speaker 1: same time, Were you guys surprised by that or who
Speaker 1: would you who would you have guessed at the beginning
Speaker 1: of that, Josh, I know you don't even remember the daily,
Speaker 1: but just picking people who were competing, why would you
Speaker 1: have thought would have probably won that one? Um, honestly,
Speaker 1: I thought Jordan's good, crafty, and he's good at all
Speaker 1: these type of ships, like he's built for these type
Speaker 1: of challengers. But um, you know, Fessie is one of
Speaker 1: my really good friends. But I think with him looking
Speaker 1: like leaving the friendship beside, this guy has proven time
Speaker 1: after time what a great fucking competitor he is. Like
Speaker 1: you know, people people say, oh, headbangers, that's the only thing.
Speaker 1: He's gone into every style of headbangers this game has
Speaker 1: to offer, and he's won them. And now he does
Speaker 1: a balance thing. A little backstory because he did kind
Speaker 1: of tell me this. He's like, you need to watch
Speaker 1: the next episode. He had the two fastest times, So
Speaker 1: he had the fastest time with Kasey and then he
Speaker 1: had the fastest time with Tory. Yeah, but he had
Speaker 1: the two fastest times and you would be shocked because
Speaker 1: you got Johnny. I mean Johnny's a seven time. He's
Speaker 1: seen this ship a million times. You would think, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't give me like balance and agility vibes.
Speaker 1: He gives me a lot of vibes. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the one he bought. I think john
Speaker 1: was pretty good at that type of stuff. Uh, FESSI
Speaker 1: with Casey just because I felt like the equilibrium of
Speaker 1: it all, Yeah, that's what. Yeah. Crazy, but he picked
Speaker 1: her up like a baby and said right part like
Speaker 1: he took said come on. So that was definitely good
Speaker 1: to watch, Josh. I love that you mentioned how Fessi
Speaker 1: is your friend out here in these Twitter streets. I
Speaker 1: just want to address something. Okay, streets, you, Tory, Casey, Fessie,
Speaker 1: Nannie Now, I think Devin and I think Anissa now
Speaker 1: are all considered the vacation Alliance. I want you to
Speaker 1: talk to me about the Vacation Alliance. But I also
Speaker 1: want you to tell me because I've watched you on
Speaker 1: these seasons with these group of people, and I want
Speaker 1: to know where you think you stand in the pecking
Speaker 1: order of that alliance. Okay, So that's a really really
Speaker 1: good question. I think it all stems you know what
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to agree to this
Speaker 1: or not, but I do feel like I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: for once, I'm gonna give myself credit and a pat
Speaker 1: on the back. I think that we did a season together.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think it was no no double agents.
Speaker 1: We all hated each other. The next I had gone
Speaker 1: on a trip with Anissa, Devin and Tory. And what
Speaker 1: people don't really see is that game aside on a
Speaker 1: personal level, we live together. We get to know each
Speaker 1: other so good and we know that dynamic, and they
Speaker 1: have been nothing but supportive and honestly just fucking the
Speaker 1: best kind of friends to me, like just checking in
Speaker 1: on my mental health, making sure that I'm good. Am
Speaker 1: I in the house, having my back? So I think
Speaker 1: I was kind of the glue with the stem between
Speaker 1: Casey and Bessie and that whole other, you know, with
Speaker 1: Devin and Tori and Anissa, because there was trust issues,
Speaker 1: you know, there was this big like can we trust Devon?
Speaker 1: Can we trust Tory? So that's why it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny for me to see the dynamic of me not
Speaker 1: being in the picture on this season. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of seeing how they and I see that
Speaker 1: they are pretty tight. But I think that I was
Speaker 1: kind of the one that was like, listen, we can
Speaker 1: trust them in a game format. On a personal level,
Speaker 1: we all vibe so well. We all have such a
Speaker 1: good friendship, and we're kind of like a family. So
Speaker 1: I think that people, you know, even though there's this
Speaker 1: whole game aside, I spend so I spend more time
Speaker 1: with these people than I do with my own family
Speaker 1: that I see once a year in Jersey, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of crazy that you build these strong
Speaker 1: bonds in the pecking order. I think I wouldn't get picked.
Speaker 1: I think that they would all look out and I
Speaker 1: think be like, let's put dash aside. I know what,
Speaker 1: I genuinely do believe that, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: makes it hard for me in the game. I take this.
Speaker 1: When I'm in the game, it becomes my reality, and
Speaker 1: that becomes my world, and these relationships feel so much
Speaker 1: more intense. So it's kind of nice taking one season
Speaker 1: off and not to be honest with you, Okay, so
Speaker 1: before we go any further, we need to take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back after this. I wanted
Speaker 1: to add ask you I feel like on these shows,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to speak for everybody, but a
Speaker 1: good portion of people that I've talked to, including myself,
Speaker 1: not that I talked to myself, but I've experienced this. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's always this one moment on a show that we've
Speaker 1: been on, whether it was a competition or just whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be, that it's kind of like cringe,
Speaker 1: like damn. If I could take that back, I would,
Speaker 1: If I could redo that, I would. Let's just talk
Speaker 1: competition only, right, what challenge or whether daily or elimination?
Speaker 1: Do you wish you can get a redo? On my first,
Speaker 1: very first, literally my premiere episode my rookie season, I
Speaker 1: think that that was the most you know, I come
Speaker 1: up in my season, I'm the winner, big brother. I
Speaker 1: can tell by the producers there was this excitement. Or
Speaker 1: that's just me being in my own head being gassed
Speaker 1: on myself, but I can tell there was like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we want to see what this
Speaker 1: kid's got and I go home the first fucking try.
Speaker 1: I think there were people I was so bad and
Speaker 1: you were I think everyone was rooting for me, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not to make excuses but getting leaked,
Speaker 1: the anxiety, the build up, the sleep deprivation, like there
Speaker 1: was my mind was fried. Like my brain was fried.
Speaker 1: You could have thrown like eight times nine and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't feel bad. And I put this pressure on me,
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, I can just scratch that off
Speaker 1: of my little challenge history. That would be it. My
Speaker 1: first time. I thought you were gonna say the elimination
Speaker 1: between you and Jordan, because that was mental. He mentally
Speaker 1: fit you. He did, he did, But you know why
Speaker 1: I don't. And this is the thing. I always get
Speaker 1: shited on for that elimination, But honestly, Jordan is Jordan,
Speaker 1: and Jordan, you know, that elimination went on for an
Speaker 1: over an hour and thirty minutes. That was the longest
Speaker 1: elimination I've ever been a part of. Physically, my body
Speaker 1: gave out, But you know, I grew so much respect
Speaker 1: for him, and at that point we had become such
Speaker 1: good friends in the game, like it was kind of
Speaker 1: it was us against the cult, if you want to say,
Speaker 1: um so, that's that's really the season that made me
Speaker 1: grow so much respect in love for Jordan, and like, no,
Speaker 1: the guy's a champ, He's a three time four time champ.
Speaker 1: So it's like, um, you know, if I could have
Speaker 1: gone out to anybody, it would have been that now
Speaker 1: there would have been a regular touch of war. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have lost. But you put a two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty pound man on a plane, it's gonna be tough, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it just wasn't in the cards for me. But no,
Speaker 1: not that one at all. Um. If anything, you know,
Speaker 1: I grew a lot more respect to the guy. And
Speaker 1: speaking of like a psych out watching today's elimination, I
Speaker 1: mean they were kind of multiple in a way. Yes,
Speaker 1: when we saw that it was going to be Harassio
Speaker 1: and Jordan, who would you have put your money on
Speaker 1: at the start, and be honest, both of you? Jordan Jordan.
Speaker 1: I I felt Jordan, but I don't know. There was
Speaker 1: a moment like before they even started that I kind
Speaker 1: of was like, like, Jordan is tough and by no
Speaker 1: means what I ever want to seem an elimination. But
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Poppisito or whatever we were called
Speaker 1: already forgot the nickname. We have hot bad daddy. Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: I thought that there was a chance that he would
Speaker 1: pull it out. I think I still feel like people
Speaker 1: are still sleeping on Harassio, who now has the Tide
Speaker 1: record for most elimination wins in a single season. He
Speaker 1: up there with legendary people, I mean, and he's still
Speaker 1: doing it with a smile on his face. And dare
Speaker 1: I say he looks better every time? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know WHI just like winners or what. But
Speaker 1: he looks even sexier every time than he does it.
Speaker 1: And yet like people still keep underestimating him and put it.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, because even Bessy said, oh, I see
Speaker 1: you now now they should have seen him before seven
Speaker 1: episodes ago. If you guys are in the house and
Speaker 1: competing as Rider dies, do you think you would have
Speaker 1: an Obviously it's we're just like kind of guessing because
Speaker 1: you know we're sitting back and watching. But do you
Speaker 1: think that you two as a team probably would have
Speaker 1: aligned with Olivia Harassio or like had them on your side,
Speaker 1: or do you think you would have kind of gone
Speaker 1: with we're seeing what we're seeing a lot of the
Speaker 1: Vets do, which is target Harassio. What do you think
Speaker 1: would have been each of you all strategy? I'll let
Speaker 1: you answer that, Josh, because these are for some reason,
Speaker 1: I feel like we would have been a part of
Speaker 1: I would have been somehow a part of the vacation alliance.
Speaker 1: I don't know how this would have played out. I
Speaker 1: think that would have been gone because you would have
Speaker 1: had your ties. But I had strong relationships going in.
Speaker 1: But besides that, I met Olivia and Arassio when we
Speaker 1: were in Argentina while I was waiting for Davon to
Speaker 1: poot that flight I was. I was in sequester with
Speaker 1: them and I got told I was an alternate, so
Speaker 1: they were also alternatives. Yeah, So we were in a
Speaker 1: hotel I want to say for probably over a week,
Speaker 1: and I got to meet Olivia and I remember just
Speaker 1: having a thirty minute conversation with this and I was like,
Speaker 1: if you make it on the show, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: come a regular. I was like, we hit it off,
Speaker 1: we vibed, and who Roster Just Roster is just such
Speaker 1: a genuine dude. Like I'm a very I'm I'm like
Speaker 1: a walking m path. I don't know, it's weird. I
Speaker 1: like feel energy. I feel like I know when I
Speaker 1: meet a good person, and that guy's are really good dude.
Speaker 1: So to see the success that he's having I cannot
Speaker 1: be happier for him. Um, I feel like he's so
Speaker 1: deserving of it. But also, the guy's a great fucking athlete.
Speaker 1: He is so good. Yeah, yeah, he is so good.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's translating, And I'm really excited for
Speaker 1: his future on the show. And I know that him
Speaker 1: and him and Olivia are going to be regular, so
Speaker 1: it'll be back again. This won't be the last time,
Speaker 1: and I'm just excited to see what else he's gonna
Speaker 1: bring to the table. Because he's on the way to
Speaker 1: a final on his rookie season. Yeah, so lucky. But
Speaker 1: also he fucking earned it, so I'm excited for him.
Speaker 1: I mean, only some of the best make it to
Speaker 1: a final that was on the way to answer without
Speaker 1: answering that was great out answering you, thank you. Day
Speaker 1: we will get Josh back to that and only some
Speaker 1: of the best rookies making to a final on their
Speaker 1: rookie season. Cough cough. Um now, yes, So do you
Speaker 1: think you guys would have been targeting and day you
Speaker 1: didn't answer, y'all would been targeting. You would have been
Speaker 1: targeting Harassi. Yeah, yeah, targeting for sure, Poor Harassio that's
Speaker 1: so wrong, just because not anything against them, just because
Speaker 1: my relationships at that point, I was so, you know,
Speaker 1: I have strong friendships. I can't I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: against my friends against you know, somebody that I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Guys be concerned, Like, I'm just surprised that, like the
Speaker 1: way they spoke about earlier in the season, some of
Speaker 1: these people who had shown less so far. I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: Bananas has shown less so far. Now. I know he
Speaker 1: has seven rings to his name. I get it, he's
Speaker 1: the Ariana Grande of the challenge, but I feel like
Speaker 1: he's shown less than Harassio and the way people speak
Speaker 1: about like, oh, you know Bananas and sort of fear
Speaker 1: him versus ROSSI, who has shown every time. Now, regardless
Speaker 1: of who you put down here and what do you
Speaker 1: put at me, I'm gonna bring the house down, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I'm surprised people aren't starting the shift and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me before it's too late, at least
Speaker 1: readjust and find some room. I don't know, and my
Speaker 1: travel bag for Harassio so he can join this vacation
Speaker 1: alliance or in they can't get him out. But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying like bring him, so bring him in
Speaker 1: because you keep going. At some point, Harassi is gonna
Speaker 1: wake up. He hasn't. It doesn't seem like yet or
Speaker 1: maybe because he hasn't been in a position of really winning,
Speaker 1: but at some point he's gonna wake up and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm firing shots back, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you guys, keep what do you want to say
Speaker 1: to day? I see it, like you know, and I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you, But I think it's like a
Speaker 1: rookie thing. I think you're a rookie season, you have
Speaker 1: a stain. There's a stain on it. No matter how
Speaker 1: great you are, there's still a stain on you, and
Speaker 1: we can't be attached to that staying. We watched him
Speaker 1: do the same thing with Cam on her rookie season.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until she started to come back and come
Speaker 1: back and come back, you know, on other seasons that
Speaker 1: people were like, Okay, now we want to align, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I think that's the same
Speaker 1: thing that's gonna happen with him. He's he has a
Speaker 1: stain right now because it's his rookie season. But once
Speaker 1: he comes back, it's like I have to have him
Speaker 1: with me. I believe that. I agree, And I also
Speaker 1: want to say it's easy to focus on the vacation
Speaker 1: alignes because you know they've been on the path. We've
Speaker 1: been on the past few seasons kind of doing that game.
Speaker 1: But this has been the game since the challenge started,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's always target the rookies. I mean
Speaker 1: West is this is why West right. I think his
Speaker 1: rookie season he won five eliminations, is because he kept
Speaker 1: getting that treatment. It's been done since the past. This
Speaker 1: is not a news but not always. It's not a
Speaker 1: new thing, but it's not done always. That's not always well.
Speaker 1: Also with also with a dynamic, with the dynamic of
Speaker 1: the game. If it's set up like that, where like
Speaker 1: you have numbers that you're aligned with and you know
Speaker 1: you have a few, you have a rookie rookie team,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty, it's an easy vote, and you don't
Speaker 1: you know, you don't get your hands dirty. Is it
Speaker 1: the best to watch? No, But when you're playing for
Speaker 1: a million dollars and I'm not aligned with you, guess
Speaker 1: what then you're getting thing. Even with being aligned with him,
Speaker 1: I've watched enemies come together and get the rookies out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about like spies, lies and allies and double agents.
Speaker 1: Though that rookie stuff isn't as they start to infuse
Speaker 1: the show with more people, I feel like going in
Speaker 1: with that mentality every time is going to bite you
Speaker 1: in the ass because we have some rookies like Harrassio
Speaker 1: and in spise, lies and allies like like an Emmy
Speaker 1: who were coming in and showing like they're better than
Speaker 1: some of the old heads, and he'd be why, or
Speaker 1: like an Amber who won on her rookie seat, you know. Like,
Speaker 1: like y'all, I don't think it's smart to go in
Speaker 1: the world is evolving. The game is evolving too, and
Speaker 1: while there's benefits of having these big alliances, I think
Speaker 1: it's important not to get too comfortable there right because
Speaker 1: and give you guys first move advantage. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to strategize with y'all for win both of you, including
Speaker 1: you day go back into the challenge house. You know,
Speaker 1: so when you guys go in and there are new rookies,
Speaker 1: if you see someone win in a couple eliminations are strong,
Speaker 1: maybe branch out and open up that arm. Because the
Speaker 1: same way josh See's day as a ride or die
Speaker 1: right because Day welcomed him in like right when he
Speaker 1: big brother and dadda dah. You guys could like have
Speaker 1: an advantage and have this like super team behind you
Speaker 1: of strong rook. He's not the dumb ones that are
Speaker 1: making out and sleep with everybody else. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about that early, but I might be, but the really
Speaker 1: strong one and that could like give you guys an advantage.
Speaker 1: I'm just that's just I think I completely agree, and
Speaker 1: I think off of that. For me personally, I have
Speaker 1: to like vibe with you and see that you're somebody
Speaker 1: that I can trust in the game. I guess over
Speaker 1: time you've proved that to me, and then or you
Speaker 1: show me that, and then I'm the type of person
Speaker 1: where I'm so loyall fucking I'll have your back and
Speaker 1: I'll try to do this all that I can for you.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, when you have friendships that
Speaker 1: are strong, it is a little hard. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I mean and ROSSI is doing that. You see
Speaker 1: the friendship that he has built, how close he's gotten
Speaker 1: with Jordan. You see how everybody kind of likes him
Speaker 1: in the house. But I think I think when he
Speaker 1: comes back for his future season, I think he cemented
Speaker 1: in he has he's gonna have strong allies that are
Speaker 1: gonna want to help him and have his back. Um,
Speaker 1: for sure, yeah I have to because I had Alissa
Speaker 1: in the hot seat about it. But Tori is also
Speaker 1: one of your really good friends. Right, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about this entire Jordan and Tory situation? Dude, it's
Speaker 1: fucking I'm not I'm gonna be honest with you. It's
Speaker 1: hard to watch. So a little backstory. You know, Tory
Speaker 1: lives in Miami. She's one of my really good friends.
Speaker 1: She's been somebody that has always been in my corner
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm indebted to, you know, always.
Speaker 1: I feel like I owe her so much on a
Speaker 1: personal level. She has helped me so much as a man,
Speaker 1: as a friend. She's just a really, really good friend.
Speaker 1: So I love the girl to death, but it is
Speaker 1: really hard. She had no idea. She was completely blindsided
Speaker 1: when she saw Jordan on the cast. I remember when
Speaker 1: we were training, we were doing yoga, doing berries, fucking running,
Speaker 1: doing CrossFit. I was like, well, she's like, Josh, are
Speaker 1: going so hard to take a break and I kept
Speaker 1: throwing scenarios. I was like, well, I'm gonna go get
Speaker 1: ct I'm gonna go against Jordan, so I'm training it
Speaker 1: to go against trath Alon. She's like, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be on the show. He's not coming back. I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you never know, So she had no idea Jordan.
Speaker 1: I remember Jordan was in Mexico with one of my
Speaker 1: good friends. We were flying out the next morning. He
Speaker 1: was partying in Mexico. I think Jordan got the call
Speaker 1: a few days before we were already flying out, so
Speaker 1: I don't think he even knew. So just imagine both
Speaker 1: of them kind of I mean, he knew Tory was on,
Speaker 1: but Tory being blindsided to then have to deal with
Speaker 1: your ex fiance. I fought my best friend on the show,
Speaker 1: and that felt heavy. Imagine your ex fiance like coming
Speaker 1: on the show. You you haven't talked in so much time,
Speaker 1: and this is being a camera in your face, and
Speaker 1: you're being faced with not only playing a game with
Speaker 1: this guy, but then all your emotions and everything. It's
Speaker 1: hard to watch. I feel for her, and I'm empathetic
Speaker 1: to both of them because it is really sat and
Speaker 1: knowing both of them so well, not to get too
Speaker 1: deep into their story. They're such good fucking people. Besides
Speaker 1: what all you guys see like, they have such good hearts.
Speaker 1: So I know that they fight hard and they love hard,
Speaker 1: and that shit is real. So I think with me,
Speaker 1: I would not I would have stayed the fuck away
Speaker 1: from and be like, Yo, this is y'all, y'all fight,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not touching it. That interrogation scene was hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a really hard moment. Did you guys expect
Speaker 1: her to say, like before they actually did the nominations
Speaker 1: when they were down in the zone, did you think
Speaker 1: that she was gonna say Jordan's name? What did either
Speaker 1: of you? Yes? It would have been great TV. Great
Speaker 1: great TV for sure, great TV. I agree, um, But honestly,
Speaker 1: knowing her heart, I don't think she would. I mean
Speaker 1: you kind of see it in the episode. They both
Speaker 1: they're fighting, they're arguing all this stuff, but then they
Speaker 1: go into confessionals and they're like, I still have love
Speaker 1: for you, like you know, I love you so much.
Speaker 1: Love there there is because the opposite of love isn't hate,
Speaker 1: it's indifference. So like when you stop loving someone is
Speaker 1: when you genuinely just don't care. You know, when you
Speaker 1: get to that place with an X that you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: care what the like. Yeah, that's that's when there's the
Speaker 1: love is gone. But when you really get fired up,
Speaker 1: like Jordan the same, he tries to like, I feel
Speaker 1: like have a level pretend to show like a level head,
Speaker 1: but he gets I feel like when he's triggered, it
Speaker 1: comes out in anger. When she's trigger that comes out
Speaker 1: sometimes in anger but also sometimes in tears. And um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they both clearly love each other very much. Now it
Speaker 1: seems like a toxic gass love for those listening. Don't
Speaker 1: let that be. There is a relationship. He says to her,
Speaker 1: you are a terrorist of love. We got to have
Speaker 1: a definition of a terrorist talking about holding it hot.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know that botanic a definition of
Speaker 1: a terrorist, But okay, it was funny what he called
Speaker 1: their tear Like I've thought about that multiple times since
Speaker 1: that episode. You know what, and and and Toy would
Speaker 1: have been in the right if she would have made
Speaker 1: the move. She had all the justifications to be like,
Speaker 1: all right, well you kind of fucked up my game,
Speaker 1: the last one with my friends. So here, see, Josh,
Speaker 1: this is why you get into toxic stuff too. And
Speaker 1: really I would one. I would have held that one.
Speaker 1: I love. She did right, she did the right thing,
Speaker 1: She did the right thing. If she doesn't she didn't
Speaker 1: have a tight bond with Harassio, like it'd be different,
Speaker 1: and like, obviously she's best to us with Devin, so
Speaker 1: she's not gonna Devin. And like if she didn't have
Speaker 1: a tight, tight, tight bond with Harassio, then Davon shaking
Speaker 1: her head, Davon, would you've done something toxic too? Because
Speaker 1: I know Davon gets mad because I haven't put her
Speaker 1: in the database yet for matching. But see, it's those
Speaker 1: topic thoughts. Devin, you're going in, You're going in. And Josh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I actually Josh bone to pick with
Speaker 1: you because I was in Miami, as you know, over
Speaker 1: the summer shooting a matchmaking show which should be out
Speaker 1: later this year, and I was like, Josh, you single,
Speaker 1: I'm in Miami, a let's hang out and then be
Speaker 1: if you're single, let me know and maybe I can
Speaker 1: match you down here like well not, she looking off
Speaker 1: into the distance, trying to remember Nero. You you think
Speaker 1: you remember that? I know whoa whoa whoa? I can.
Speaker 1: I can defend myself on this, and I will pull
Speaker 1: up the messages. I was actually out of town and
Speaker 1: I saw your message when I got back and you
Speaker 1: were gone. You remember you told me you were going
Speaker 1: up in Miami for three months. Oh wait, no, whoa whoa? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was living in Miami for three months. Jobs were filming.
Speaker 1: It's three months. No, no, no, I did not get
Speaker 1: all those details. Hey, Josh, I'll match you. You can
Speaker 1: come on our new show and I am pulling up
Speaker 1: the messages right now. Hold on, yeah, you go, you
Speaker 1: go pull up them dms. I'm pulling up the dms.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we know how to multitask because whoa
Speaker 1: the twist? Oh yes, wake a ass Okay, Davon, you
Speaker 1: gotta say what you said in the group chat because
Speaker 1: it was hilarious. It was hilarious. It was hilarious. Say
Speaker 1: what you said in the group chat about people coming back?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I said a lot, So which one are
Speaker 1: you talking about? You can tell a lot. No, when
Speaker 1: you were like the Jordan comment, when you were like
Speaker 1: when they bring them back. Do you not even remember
Speaker 1: I said, oh, Jordan's not gone. No, you said, oh,
Speaker 1: Jordan got eliminated, and production we gotta come up with
Speaker 1: something today. Jordan was gone for fifteen seconds and they
Speaker 1: were like, no, no, that was so good. Although I
Speaker 1: don't tell me if you guys felt this way, So like,
Speaker 1: I love the twist. I love that, like I loved.
Speaker 1: One of the best episodes I feel like in recent
Speaker 1: memory was the first time we saw the elimination and
Speaker 1: then TJ called the player back, you know, when everybody
Speaker 1: was gone and be like you're not out of the game,
Speaker 1: like still jaw dropping moment, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: builds up for yes, when the rest of the players
Speaker 1: find out that their partners are still there. And so
Speaker 1: I love the tjts sort of like, hey, you can't
Speaker 1: play without a partner, and you know, people thought they
Speaker 1: were going home. But I don't know if it's because
Speaker 1: of like the people who did get eliminated or some thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But when they came back, I didn't
Speaker 1: feel quite as like inspired as I thought I would have.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, but I felt it for
Speaker 1: Anissa her face yeah rightless like she lit up like Christmas, Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: turkey ham, all of it. She lived up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I even think it looked like she was about to
Speaker 1: start crying. Yeah, I did, you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'm back in I'm back in the game, right right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I really I felt it for her, Fessy, I
Speaker 1: just kind of was annoyed. But now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we're back and we and we and we.
Speaker 1: Oh you speak French now, because at first it was I, I,
Speaker 1: me and I. You know what. So I have so
Speaker 1: much opinions on the Maria. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know where to start. I just don't know. I literally
Speaker 1: saw Mariah two days ago and I kind of told
Speaker 1: her like I was like, I'm really not fucking with you,
Speaker 1: Like you're not that I'm not working with her. I
Speaker 1: think Maria is a cool girl, but I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest with you. As some as an outsider watching the
Speaker 1: situation and then also knowing the dynamic being around these
Speaker 1: people hanging out in Orlando, it just it just you know,
Speaker 1: it's for me, the first thing that throws me off.
Speaker 1: It's like it's really corny when you're doing podcasts and
Speaker 1: you're tweeting and you're saying all this stuff about Fest.
Speaker 1: Listen Fest doesn't have the best rap. He gets some
Speaker 1: stuff in situations. I get it. It's easy to hate
Speaker 1: the guy. Um, but dude, you you already know what
Speaker 1: he goes through to then kind of add to that,
Speaker 1: you can have your experience and you can have you
Speaker 1: know what you went through. And I know that he
Speaker 1: did fuck up. And I haven't really watched the show,
Speaker 1: but I know that he answer. He did say some
Speaker 1: stuff that is a little messed up, sucked up, right,
Speaker 1: So I get that. But also Mariah, you know, I've
Speaker 1: seen a couple of tweets where she said a couple
Speaker 1: of things here and there and did Johnny's podcast, and
Speaker 1: I just think it's corny to me, like this guy
Speaker 1: gave you an opportunity. We would not know who Mariah is.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care, and I'll say it gladly.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't. You would not have And I'm and I
Speaker 1: love you guys, but you know you wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: this opportunity. You know, he kind of put like a
Speaker 1: check in your in your pocket. And also it's like,
Speaker 1: how if he dogged and he did do wrong. Okay,
Speaker 1: you are entitled to feel how you feel, but then
Speaker 1: to go on the internet and do all of this stuff. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of running on Twitter and doing
Speaker 1: all of that. You know, you guys have this daveon
Speaker 1: runs Twitter, So listen, I go to myself, thank you
Speaker 1: very much, And that's why I was doing. Arguably is
Speaker 1: defending like Josh, I get that Bessie's your friend. And
Speaker 1: by the way, please know that this is not the
Speaker 1: hate Bessie train. I of course I have no hate
Speaker 1: towards Bessie. I think he's fun guy would have ever,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think he's toxic in any sort
Speaker 1: of romantic way, and I care, but like I have,
Speaker 1: I have love for fat. This is so, this is
Speaker 1: this is not a I've described it before and doing
Speaker 1: the aftermaths and stuff. I see you all even though
Speaker 1: we're all the same age in a weird way, almost
Speaker 1: like my children. So it's like I don't have a
Speaker 1: favorite versus not. It's more like I'll hold your feet
Speaker 1: to the fire if I think you do something affed up.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean And for those who keep dming
Speaker 1: me saying I hate Michelle and Jay that's the same
Speaker 1: thing applies to him. I have loved for Michelle. I
Speaker 1: think she's wonderful of metterm person. But I'll hold your
Speaker 1: feet to the fire if I think you're doing something
Speaker 1: and had him yes, yeah, knows how he feel. But yeah, Josh,
Speaker 1: he really dogged Maria out and like, fine, we get
Speaker 1: he brought her on as a partner, but she earned
Speaker 1: her place that far and like helped him get far,
Speaker 1: and he not, from what we could see, he was
Speaker 1: really using it and being sort of mean to her.
Speaker 1: And then from what we heard and how she by
Speaker 1: the way in the podcast, she's asked questions, so she's
Speaker 1: just answering it. And so it's not like she came
Speaker 1: on being like, let me tell you how I hate. It,
Speaker 1: was like, hey, what happened in the house, what you know?
Speaker 1: Why did X, Y and Z? And so then she
Speaker 1: shared her experience. Bessie did her wrong as hell, And
Speaker 1: just like Harry and Megan, I too would assigned U
Speaker 1: Netflix deal and or gone on bananas in the inficial
Speaker 1: podcast and told my side of the story because Bessie
Speaker 1: was wrong. And this is how you know he's wrong, Josh,
Speaker 1: because he was talking a bunch of smack. I think
Speaker 1: anytime someone talks smack behind your back, they better be
Speaker 1: able to back it up and say it to your face.
Speaker 1: And he talked so much smack with you. When she
Speaker 1: walked on back as his partner in this episode, he
Speaker 1: was like, hey, oh my gosh, and it's like you
Speaker 1: are not keeping the same energy that you had ye
Speaker 1: when she left and everything else right, and I made
Speaker 1: her it didn't matter, but he needed her right. And
Speaker 1: I told Fes this. I haven't watched on a show,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what the guy's saying in its confessionals.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know. For me, it's
Speaker 1: just this is how I'm wired and I get a
Speaker 1: lot of ship for it, and I don't care. That's
Speaker 1: why I am. I am so loyal. I'm loyal to
Speaker 1: a fault and I get a lot of ship for that.
Speaker 1: But I look at it like this, you gave me
Speaker 1: this opportunity. You now, this is your experience as well.
Speaker 1: You're entitled to her opinion. She could speak her mind,
Speaker 1: but you know, to kind of like block the guy
Speaker 1: on social media and do all this stuff. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe she did that for her mental health and and
Speaker 1: and and that's fine, and that's fine, But I know Mariah.
Speaker 1: You don't know you guys are meeting Mariah. I know Mariah,
Speaker 1: and I know the situation. And I think that they
Speaker 1: were hooking up for a while. They were and she said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be honest with you, they hooked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah they were there, they were they hooked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were hooking up for a while. So and every
Speaker 1: time I saw Maria, it's never it was never an issue,
Speaker 1: is a great time. It was always a good vibe
Speaker 1: and it was always good energy and just seemed like
Speaker 1: there's like even when I heard Mariah was his um partner,
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, you're gonna do so good. Like
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for she deserves this. I'm just the
Speaker 1: type of person where it's like, I listen, Polly dogged
Speaker 1: me every single time, not to mention the guy, but
Speaker 1: dogged me every single time. And I still think about
Speaker 1: the good moments that I had with Todd. That's just
Speaker 1: why I am as a person. But Josh, when you,
Speaker 1: when you hold when you, I understand being loyal. My
Speaker 1: mother's like this too, and this is where she and
Speaker 1: I different. I understand being really loyal to someone and
Speaker 1: always honoring the role you feel they played in your success, right,
Speaker 1: and always keeping space for that and honoring that. However,
Speaker 1: I think it can be because we were talking about
Speaker 1: like mental health and preserving it. I think this old
Speaker 1: school mentality of being loyal to a fault can be
Speaker 1: a negatively negative on your mental health because it's it
Speaker 1: is conditioning you not to set boundaries. But also as
Speaker 1: a friend, if you want to be a good friend
Speaker 1: of Fessie or if Day wants to be a good
Speaker 1: friend to you, if you don't ever hold your friends
Speaker 1: accountable because you know you will ride or die. Though,
Speaker 1: But if you're like, Nope, I'm still right. This person
Speaker 1: dogs this person, this person dogs me, but I'm still right.
Speaker 1: I'm still right. I'm a still ride, then you're actually
Speaker 1: doing them possibly a disservice because your actions are whether
Speaker 1: regardless what you say, your actions are condoning. They're bad
Speaker 1: behavior of other people. Rather than saying, look best, we
Speaker 1: get it. You guys aren't together anymore. You didn't owe
Speaker 1: her X Y and Z. But she's still a person
Speaker 1: and she still is playing her part and coming in
Speaker 1: trying to contribute as a teammate or a partner or whatever.
Speaker 1: So like, the least you can do is treat her
Speaker 1: as a person rather than this manipulation thing like that.
Speaker 1: I agree and listen. I mean, you guys saw it
Speaker 1: last season. Me and Press get into it all the time.
Speaker 1: We have We have agreements and disagreements all the time.
Speaker 1: And you know, his history with dating is a mess.
Speaker 1: And I don't have to be the one to say that,
Speaker 1: but um, I think from somebody that knows both of
Speaker 1: them personally. I know Mariah before she got on the show.
Speaker 1: I build a really fresh Bessie for me is like
Speaker 1: a brother. That's how I look at him. And I'm
Speaker 1: the first one to call him out on his shit.
Speaker 1: I just see it as in, like, you don't have to.
Speaker 1: You are entitled to your experience, You're entitled to speak
Speaker 1: your mind and do all this stuff. But Mariah, for me,
Speaker 1: just you know, I don't know, I don't It's just
Speaker 1: not I don't feel like I'm dealing with the same
Speaker 1: person that I knew before she got on the show.
Speaker 1: That's just how I feel in your situation. And that's
Speaker 1: just in and I'm gonna leave it at that. I
Speaker 1: think Josh lives by the family code, which is you
Speaker 1: check your family in private, not public. I think that's
Speaker 1: where it's sad like. And if I could pull up
Speaker 1: messages with Bess, you'll see I'm living probably hold his
Speaker 1: feet to the fire behind closed doors, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I think it's one of those situations. And
Speaker 1: I mean I don't trust Josh's recollection of dms though,
Speaker 1: because I do have the DMS from our conversation Josh
Speaker 1: and July twenty ninth. I did say I'm in Miami
Speaker 1: for a few weeks, forgot you up here, Let's catch up,
Speaker 1: and you're like August first, so that's like two weeks
Speaker 1: later you were like hey, which is fine. I was
Speaker 1: still there for the two weeks I was in New York, Joshua,
Speaker 1: I was in New York. You disappeared, You're not. It's
Speaker 1: all right, Josh. I'll remember that when I see when
Speaker 1: I'm back in Miami. Match you have my number two,
Speaker 1: and I see a fine girl. I'm gonna be like
Speaker 1: Josh with that would be a perfect match. All right,
Speaker 1: Well you have my number how you in Miami, New York, everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I'm right here in La still put me in
Speaker 1: the roster. But it's okay, Laura, see man, And then
Speaker 1: when I get it, I'm be like, no, thanks for you, Devin,
Speaker 1: No be rooting for you every how about that, we'd
Speaker 1: be rooting for you every single time. No day, we
Speaker 1: will talk. We will. First of all, we went over this,
Speaker 1: this toxic I'm a hold of grudge thing. We gotta
Speaker 1: work on that. If we're gonna talk about healthy relationships, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta work on that. Well, next time you want
Speaker 1: to match make, next time you want to be a matchmaker,
Speaker 1: you call me. You don't DM me, negro, I am
Speaker 1: ax you number? Well your number? Yeah that we'll see.
Speaker 1: Um okay. So now the teams come back, right, so
Speaker 1: so uh t J announces like okay, great, everybody's coming in.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like shocking excited, and then now they have to
Speaker 1: do this um role thing. Don't let me down Looking
Speaker 1: at that initially, which of the three teams did you
Speaker 1: think was going to win? That's right? What about you? Day? Oh,
Speaker 1: I knew Kathy and Kenny were out of there? You did,
Speaker 1: and you said that in the group. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I expected more from I didn't think Casey was
Speaker 1: gonna struggle as bad. I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 1: it was really hard to watch that. Um, But it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much case it was Kenny, and I think
Speaker 1: that that's um. And I love and I love Kenny
Speaker 1: and I love them, but I I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're sho tough and it's not it's you know a
Speaker 1: lot of people aren't built for it, and and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and over time you become so competitive that
Speaker 1: t J could throw anything like all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give it everything that I got. You don't quit me
Speaker 1: fight it out. But um, I think it's it's really
Speaker 1: it was really sad because I know Kenny personally and
Speaker 1: I think the guy's great, but it just like this
Speaker 1: whole I think now he could walk away from him
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, case I know what you're
Speaker 1: going into is not fucking you know exactly. There's this
Speaker 1: new level of respect for the game for sure. I
Speaker 1: feel like the thing that Casey doesn't always get credit
Speaker 1: for is her tenacity. Like Casey comes across as someone
Speaker 1: who does not will like get it done by any
Speaker 1: means necessary, over like die trying. And so when there
Speaker 1: are these hard things. I don't ever under estimate anything
Speaker 1: because Casey will literally like fight to the death in
Speaker 1: whatever way that she needs you. Yeah, Like she's just
Speaker 1: so mentally trying away. And I agree with you, Josh
Speaker 1: that Kenny is a lovely guy. But some people are
Speaker 1: just built with that almost like stubbornness and tenacity. That's
Speaker 1: why a bunch of challengers keep coming back time after time.
Speaker 1: And you know, even I know I say I will
Speaker 1: never do a challenge again, which I never nothing won't,
Speaker 1: but there is a piece that that of I think
Speaker 1: what gets built into a challenger word is that to
Speaker 1: that like you you just don't quit, like always you quit. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think Casey doesn't get enough credit for that
Speaker 1: because she's just she's that time's ten. I think I
Speaker 1: think also what as watching it as a friend, I
Speaker 1: was struggling with, I'm not I'm gonna be honest with
Speaker 1: that was on the verge of like fucking tears because
Speaker 1: I know Casey and I know how competitive she is,
Speaker 1: and I know how bad she goes into these games
Speaker 1: and it's like I'm getting to the final and there's nothing,
Speaker 1: there's no wavering that, there's just this laser focus and
Speaker 1: like to see her for the first time kind of
Speaker 1: struggle but it's out of her control. That shit or
Speaker 1: like literally broke my heart because I was like, I
Speaker 1: know she's trying, but she has her brother, Like, what
Speaker 1: is she gonna do? Curse all her brother. I would
Speaker 1: have probably done that to Mabie. I would have literally
Speaker 1: forcing it up. So so like for her to just
Speaker 1: have this like soft side of like, all right, Kenny,
Speaker 1: we gave it everything that we got here just trying
Speaker 1: her hardest, but also like knowing her and knowing her
Speaker 1: mindset and who she is as a person in the competitiveness,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it was so hard to watch that and
Speaker 1: then going up against her friends. I'm like, that's it's
Speaker 1: tough in itself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, we need to
Speaker 1: take a quick break. Don't go anywhere, y'all. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after this. So we've now left it on
Speaker 1: a cliffhanger where we know that Bessie Mariah back in
Speaker 1: the house, which TVD on how that plays out. Given
Speaker 1: that ook, there's clearly a lot of tension. I feel
Speaker 1: like in their interviews you can see the tension. And
Speaker 1: then now we're going to watch I'm guessing some elimination
Speaker 1: thing of Jordan and Anissa versus Casey and Kenny. We
Speaker 1: don't really know what it is yet. Do you guys
Speaker 1: have bets on who you think is coming back in
Speaker 1: the house or what the elimination's gonna be. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know, But what I do know is looking at
Speaker 1: Casey's face after she lost, it was almost like defeat,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And if you're going into
Speaker 1: something else already feeling defeated, that's already a strike against you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So whatever it is, I
Speaker 1: just hope she gets her oh back before going in.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think I completely agree. Um, you know
Speaker 1: what's wild? I don't think I see, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's been shown, but I think mentally, I
Speaker 1: think Casey really struggled on this season, and I think
Speaker 1: it was really hard having her brother in that environment.
Speaker 1: And that's another reason why I'm so thankful maybe wasn't on,
Speaker 1: because I think that took such a h You're worried
Speaker 1: about yourself, you're worried about your relationship, and then you
Speaker 1: got your brother like she has your girlfriend, and that
Speaker 1: is draining. I just see this different side of her,
Speaker 1: where like she just teems overwhelmed and kind of like
Speaker 1: exhausted with the situation. So I couldn't agree more with Demon,
Speaker 1: And it looks like she was kind of not checked out.
Speaker 1: She's not gonna stop, but a little like okay, like
Speaker 1: it wasn't It's not the Casey we're used to seeing,
Speaker 1: whereas enjoyed, enjoyed its like I just got a second life.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to kill me before you drag me
Speaker 1: out of the side, you know. Yeah, um so yeah,
Speaker 1: I do agree. I would love to see Casey back
Speaker 1: in the game, But I agree with dev I think
Speaker 1: that she's a little out of it going into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I it's amazing, like at this point we like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like that. We said that, and that's why they
Speaker 1: would have um not survived as writer dies. Nobody was
Speaker 1: touching us. You guys would have been a tough team
Speaker 1: and a fun one to watch. Like you really, as
Speaker 1: much as I love working with you day and being
Speaker 1: here in the podcast, I would love watching you and
Speaker 1: Josh as a team, especially too, because Josh is the impath,
Speaker 1: Davon is the opposite. So I feel like, no, she's
Speaker 1: not the opposite, but like Josh, you know, it's such
Speaker 1: a softie and teddy bear and day I feel like
Speaker 1: would lead into all right, screw you too, not to Josh,
Speaker 1: but like to whomever pissed her off in the house
Speaker 1: or did whatever. So it would have been really funny
Speaker 1: watching YouTube move as one because he would have been
Speaker 1: my calm. Josh would have been my calm. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: people don't realize, You're like, people haven't really seen our
Speaker 1: friendship on TV because we only did one show together.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Davon is brutally direct and honest with me
Speaker 1: and like says it how it is, and I and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, sometimes I do need to
Speaker 1: you know, hear that and just like take what you're
Speaker 1: telling me. So I think I genuinely think we would
Speaker 1: have done so well, but who knows. We got future seasons.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going anywhere, So fingers cross. Guys,
Speaker 1: Wait wait can I can? I know that I'm not
Speaker 1: supposed to play this role, but dev why are you
Speaker 1: not coming back? Why are you not doing All Stars?
Speaker 1: And why are you not what's going on? You're like, well,
Speaker 1: so now it's time for the game. Second time? We
Speaker 1: got time. Um, I've thought it come, it comes and goes.
Speaker 1: And I think I've said before I have been reached
Speaker 1: out to about All Stars multiple times. I'd been reached
Speaker 1: out to about regular seasons in the past two You know,
Speaker 1: I love interviewing. I love hearing people's stories. I love
Speaker 1: telling stories. I love getting to do this, I love
Speaker 1: getting to do aftermath, all these things. You know, Today's
Speaker 1: show shout out, I'll be on Today's show with holding
Speaker 1: Jenna next week check it out and Sherry Show, which'll
Speaker 1: be on this week, and so, you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's where my focus is. I also feel like
Speaker 1: if I come back in a body bag or with
Speaker 1: a bunch of broken bones, I won't be able to
Speaker 1: do that. So um, that's why I say no. Never
Speaker 1: say never, But um, I would love I would love
Speaker 1: to see you come back. But that's just my Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and if I ever do, just know,
Speaker 1: if I'm on a season with either of you, you
Speaker 1: but not will say my name. I don't know what family,
Speaker 1: loyalty and all that, y'all, both of y'all. Everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: better not now Rider Dies. Since this is Rider Dies,
Speaker 1: we do have a little game for you. We've been
Speaker 1: playing it all season and so we want to see
Speaker 1: how well you know your rider died Since Dayvon, Josh,
Speaker 1: we have some questions for you, But what Davon doesn't
Speaker 1: realize is I have a separate set of questions for her.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna quiz both of you. Yes, Dayvon, we
Speaker 1: got some tricks up our sleep. We're gonna quiz both
Speaker 1: of you to see how well you know your ride
Speaker 1: or die. Oh shit, all right, Josh, first question for you.
Speaker 1: Davon is a meme queen name. One of her most
Speaker 1: famous means, oh my god, oh my god, the Julie
Speaker 1: when she walked it's not even her famous mean, it's
Speaker 1: like the oldenly a big brother meme um when she
Speaker 1: walks out the door, like I mean, everybody's recreated it. Jesus,
Speaker 1: it was literally the genus means she walks out, and
Speaker 1: it was just like that was her exit. And I
Speaker 1: think that's when she became a BB legend. It is
Speaker 1: times because they do make one that looks like Jesus.
Speaker 1: Now it's like a cartoon character, but it's doing the
Speaker 1: same walk that Day was doing it. And I think
Speaker 1: I haven't saved my phone, and it took me forever
Speaker 1: to realize, Wait a minute, that's day that they have
Speaker 1: turned is like transformed into other memes. She is a
Speaker 1: meme queen for sure. She is so hilarious. Um the
Speaker 1: second question, Josh, by the way, question number two, I
Speaker 1: was dying laughing, and I asked our producer, wait, what
Speaker 1: what is the answer? And our producer Nicole shout out
Speaker 1: to Nicole was like Davon wrote that question? Um, oh god,
Speaker 1: how old does Davon say she is? Say Josh not
Speaker 1: am say give us both answers. Oh say, I know
Speaker 1: both of them. Actually, So the reason why I and
Speaker 1: my little cheap thing is Davon and my brother have
Speaker 1: the same birthday. So it's may tent right, it's my
Speaker 1: brother have the same birthday. Um, and she's one today today?
Speaker 1: And then how old is she really? For the bonus?
Speaker 1: For the bonus, I'm about thirty four? Three? Am I ready?
Speaker 1: Next question? Not Davon making it question. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to look it up. Hey, Siri, question you are baby, Davon.
Speaker 1: I'm about to turn thirty five and like three weeks
Speaker 1: you are a baby. You have time, but I am
Speaker 1: googling Davon age. Okay, our producer put according to fit,
Speaker 1: looked you up on famous birthdays dot com. Davon Famous Birthdays,
Speaker 1: always putting people on blast. No, it did, let's google
Speaker 1: it were on this questionation? Okay, so now let me
Speaker 1: pull up Davon's questions. Hold on, it actually says on
Speaker 1: Google your twenty seven. So how many? How many aunts? Okay,
Speaker 1: Blanche Devereaux, if you different notes are you're gonna put
Speaker 1: about your age? She's twelve in one place and shout
Speaker 1: out to whatever going in there manually putting in these ages.
Speaker 1: I appreciate a mass. All right, Dave, we have to
Speaker 1: test you and how well you know your rider died?
Speaker 1: Um Number one passed. You did pass? Job, Josh, you
Speaker 1: did pass. Now, let's see if your teammate is going
Speaker 1: to be a strong link or a weak one. Number one.
Speaker 1: What is the name of Josh's favorite football team? This
Speaker 1: is easy. Oh it's um It's Miami. So are they Dolphins? Hins?
Speaker 1: That was the easier sports I'm sponsible. I know, right,
Speaker 1: that is so easy. But I know he's always at
Speaker 1: the game. He's always at the game. Yeah, shout out
Speaker 1: to the Dolphins. Made the playoffs a number two. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of showmances this season, but Josh is
Speaker 1: no stranger to the showman's himself. What is the name
Speaker 1: of the girl he hooked up with during last season
Speaker 1: on Spies, Lies and Allies? Bonus pointed two of them
Speaker 1: in the show the pretty girl? She's so pretty? Um,
Speaker 1: she's from the UK? Right, what's her name? You're right?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? And what did she do that caused
Speaker 1: controversy in the house. The Bonus points for that too.
Speaker 1: She a lot. She threw thing amber, Yes, she did.
Speaker 1: What's what's her name? You got half a point? Day?
Speaker 1: You got half a point to day. These questions are
Speaker 1: way too easy. You got half a point. Speaking of
Speaker 1: with Josh, how are you and esther? Have you talked
Speaker 1: to her lately? Um? We like message here and there,
Speaker 1: but we're not as close. Obviously she's in the UK
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I mean she's such a
Speaker 1: dope girl. We filmed together. I'm pretty sure we would
Speaker 1: be good again, you know. Yeah, I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: came to hang out with us. Jobs. This has been
Speaker 1: such a fun interview my opinion, Thank you. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I love Josh, I love you
Speaker 1: so and I'm loving the facial hair. It's given swag Daddy.
Speaker 1: It really is good. It's good, not him when we
Speaker 1: say that. See, this is why Josh problem. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't help it. Josh. For the people who want
Speaker 1: to see this new swag Daddy look with the facial hair,
Speaker 1: or just follow you or slide into your dms, please
Speaker 1: DM Josh with caution. Also they take a wild respond back.
Speaker 1: But where can I find god? Well, I am the
Speaker 1: worst at DM. I know you still have the number.
Speaker 1: Like you said lies, listen to me. I am the worst.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I'm the worst text, I'm
Speaker 1: the worst safety, I'm the worst on my phone. But
Speaker 1: I am person. I'm like ten I'm ten stars, I'm
Speaker 1: five stars. Um, you can follow me on, Actually, don't
Speaker 1: follow me, stay away maybe alone? Uh no, Josh war
Speaker 1: gas on. I G yeah, cool, awesome. Well, we've loved
Speaker 1: having you here. Thank you for coming. Hope you get
Speaker 1: into this season now because it is it's great. I
Speaker 1: know it's bitter sweet because you and Day could have
Speaker 1: been there FFing some stuff up in the house, but
Speaker 1: it's definitely fun and interesting to watch and we can't
Speaker 1: wait to see you, um come back soon. We know
Speaker 1: you're going to be back there. Um yeah, causing all
Speaker 1: sorts of trouble but also making listen. I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a new man. I'm focused on the bigger picture. If
Speaker 1: you want to say so, I think I think it'll be.
Speaker 1: I'll think you'll see a different Josh. Well. I hope, okay,
Speaker 1: R I look forward to see better. Yeah. I love
Speaker 1: you guys, Thank you guys so much. And like I said,
Speaker 1: this was awesome, favorite podcast, favorite podcast of child. That
Speaker 1: was such a great interview with your ride or die day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I told you he was gonna be top pick. Was
Speaker 1: so glad. I'm so glad that he came to such
Speaker 1: an infectious energy, Like he really is good on the show,
Speaker 1: great on the podcast. Um, and then when you talk
Speaker 1: to him as a person, he has such a heart
Speaker 1: of gold. He does, like Josha has such a heart
Speaker 1: of goal. He really does. He definitely does. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to see him lose a little bit of
Speaker 1: that Mafia family loyalty, but I respect it. I respect it.
Speaker 1: But he does have such a heart of gold. And
Speaker 1: I'm bummed that we didn't get to see you to
Speaker 1: this sea. Like obviously it's a bitter sweet because like
Speaker 1: I love being teammates with you here, but it would
Speaker 1: have been so it just would have been so interesting
Speaker 1: and fun to watch the two of you together as
Speaker 1: a team, like living for that. So can't wait for
Speaker 1: when that moment does happen, especially since you confirmed in
Speaker 1: this interview that you would do at least another challenge.
Speaker 1: But we're righting eyes, that's what happened. We were birthed.
Speaker 1: This is true. This is true, we have formed, this
Speaker 1: is this is one hundred percent true. For those who
Speaker 1: want to keep up with or become I don't know
Speaker 1: your future writer, Diet, just follow what you're doing. Where
Speaker 1: can they find you on social Well, I am back
Speaker 1: in the Twitter streets. I'm back from vacation. So you
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Dave davon Underscore or
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram at davon Diane. In February,
Speaker 1: we will be relaunching the you two people. She's coming back,
Speaker 1: you know what. You can find me in February at
Speaker 1: Davon Diane on YouTube and we're gonna do it just
Speaker 1: to prove Devin and Kiera wrong. Okay, a birthday shout out.
Speaker 1: You know, my birthday should be very sick. So you're
Speaker 1: saying I'm the first episode. All right, I'll keep an eye,
Speaker 1: but my hopes won't be high. Hope and shout out,
Speaker 1: by the way, to the people who do come and
Speaker 1: find us or follow us or d m us about
Speaker 1: the show, like Caitlin Tecklenberg, who just DMed me about
Speaker 1: the challenge saying how much they love it. Someone else
Speaker 1: and I can't remember her name, and I feel so bad,
Speaker 1: by the way, said that we miss an opportunity with
Speaker 1: Nelson's nicknames to call him Helly Nelly because he was
Speaker 1: twirling on the Helicopter Challenge. Oh god, he was like
Speaker 1: spinning around and it was so good. And I can't
Speaker 1: remember who DMed me to say that, but know that
Speaker 1: when I do remember, I will give you your credit
Speaker 1: because I appreciate that. Um. But you can find me
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm there more often. That's Devin Simone d
Speaker 1: E V y n s I m O N e U.
Speaker 1: You can also find me on Twitter Devin own same thing, TikTok,
Speaker 1: Devin underscores some mom but I'm not there as often. Amazon.
Speaker 1: You can follow me on Amazon at Devin Simone or
Speaker 1: if that's too much to remember, just go to Devin
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Speaker 1: If you're single, you can potentially get match made, although
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Speaker 1: what should they do? They should tell their mama they've daddy,
Speaker 1: they said, their brother, their cousin, that uncle they made,
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