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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson, and well Matt, it's a Monday.

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Speaker 1: The smoke is cleared for the most part. From my

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Speaker 1: Week nine of the NFL season. And if the playoffs

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Speaker 1: were to start today, which they don't, I understand this,

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Speaker 1: the entire AFC North would be in the playoffs. Now

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that. Well, the last time this

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Speaker 1: happened this late in the season was last season, and

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Speaker 1: the entire AFC East was over was over five hundred. Well,

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Speaker 1: they were all over five hundred. I think they a

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Speaker 1: would have qualified at that point too. The difference being

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Speaker 1: at that point for the AFC East you had the

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Speaker 1: Patriots at five and four as that last place team.

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Speaker 1: A little bit like this, every team in this division

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Speaker 1: is two games over five hundred. Now the next two

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Speaker 1: weeks will be interesting because they all play each other.

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Speaker 2: It's going to start cheng here pretty quick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the next two weeks you get, you get

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Speaker 1: this week, you got Browns, and.

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Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the slate, I've heard this upcoming

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Speaker 2: weekend Browns Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Browns travel to Baltimore then they play the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so who's since he have this week.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati, they're not. They're out of the division this week,

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Speaker 1: but next week next week they travel to Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so now the round robin tourney started.

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Speaker 1: Really and then the following week after that, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: end travel to Cincinnati. I just went like, so both

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Speaker 1: of those teams, Cincinnati and Cleveland both travel to Baltimore

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Speaker 1: the week before they play the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's good. I would think so. I

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Speaker 2: would think. I mean that Baltimore is beating up on people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Lions just got hammered by Baltimore and

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Speaker 2: then they hammered their opponent. So it's not a fool

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Speaker 2: proof thing, but I would History shows you want to

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Speaker 2: play teams after Baltimore, after Pittsburgh. The Niners were that

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Speaker 2: that team last year. You know. I think there is

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Speaker 2: something to that, especially division games. Yeah, more so than

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Speaker 2: the Lions.

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Speaker 1: Example, I was putting some stuff out on Twitter this

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Speaker 1: weekend nex Twitter, and I put this out there, Matt.

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Speaker 1: This idea that the Steelers have been out gained in

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Speaker 1: all their games and that makes them bad to me,

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Speaker 1: is a bit of a false narrative because they were up,

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Speaker 1: they had a three hundred and thirteen to two thirty

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Speaker 1: four advantage in yardage entering the fourth quarter against the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: and we're up twenty three to seven. How are they

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Speaker 1: supposed to play that game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Same thing last week against Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Had two hundred and seventy nine total yards going into

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Speaker 1: the final drive. Last week, when you're content to just okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll trade yards for time off the clock. You've got

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Speaker 1: one time out, you had to use it early because

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Speaker 1: of a sack. Okay. So they end up finishing with

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Speaker 1: fourteen more yards than the Steelers. The idea is to

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Speaker 1: win the football game, right, not have more yards than

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Speaker 1: the opposing team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's so secret. I love my stats, but

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Speaker 2: they're Context is really important with a lot of these things,

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Speaker 2: you know, like Levice's interception at the end of the game.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot different if it's ten minutes into the game,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like or some of the

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Speaker 2: picket ones against Miami, or some of the ones last year.

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Speaker 2: You know, late in the game, this is all I

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Speaker 2: got desperation time, hey, I mean you're out of options.

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Speaker 2: I mean, trying to win the game right, right, right,

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Speaker 2: And yardage can be the same way, you had a

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Speaker 2: great number. I think it was two weeks ago maybe

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Speaker 2: the RAM game. Oh their yards per carry or low,

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Speaker 2: Well Kenny had eight eight cares. Yeah for zero yards.

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Speaker 2: But take it by me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's what you want.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole plan is to get to the knee,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Right, So some of this, some of these numbers, like

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Speaker 1: the only thing that matters really is five and three.

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Speaker 2: And no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Like if you look at the DVOA stuff on the

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Speaker 1: Steelers defense and well they're thirtieth in yards allowed, I

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Speaker 2: No, I think they're more DVA is more situational stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, like if if you get a team to

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Speaker 2: successful play for the defense, right, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And DVOA reflects that where they'll you know, traditional stuff

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Speaker 2: their yards for yards for play, You're gonna go up, Well,

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Speaker 2: you did your job.

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Speaker 1: You did what you were supposed to do. You get

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Speaker 1: a success rate overall in d v o A. The

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Speaker 1: Steelers on defense are seventh seventh or this is on

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Speaker 1: the on the according for the DAVE overall. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's starting to add up. It's not like

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Speaker 2: they played a ridiculously easy or hard slate than they're

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Speaker 2: starting to eat, you know, balance out on that. That

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Speaker 1: So if you if you start to look at this

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Speaker 1: and it just it doesn't take record into account at all.

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Speaker 2: No, No, like Minnesota was real low and a lot

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Speaker 2: of DVA stuff last year despite having thirteens.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Chargers, the Steelers are twelfth in adjusted DVOA.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers are thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: As the whole team you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're three and five or whatever their record.

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Speaker 2: blow the doors off the Jets to nite, right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they got Herbert and they're a good team.

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Speaker 1: But this stuff tends to so if you if you

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Speaker 1: look at it now, Baltimore is number one, makes sense,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City two, Okay, San Francisco three. Buffalo is now

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago they were number one. Yeah, they're five

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Speaker 1: Detroit is then fifth, Miami sixth, Dallas seven, Jacksonville eight,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia nine, Cincinnati ten, Cleveland eleven, and the Steelers are twelfth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I think those are the top ten

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Speaker 2: teams for sure, and since he would be, since he's

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Speaker 2: the weird one, because I think they would be. If

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Speaker 2: I was power ranking them, they'd be top three.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you looked at this over like the last month,

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Speaker 1: they would be. They would be much higher, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo is probably lower. They should be, right, right, because

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Speaker 1: The interesting team here is Miami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're different.

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Speaker 1: I sent this to you yesterday. If you look at

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Speaker 1: Miami's strength of victory.

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Speaker 2: It's really alarming. I mean, I think everyone knows at

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Speaker 2: this point that they have not beaten one of the

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Speaker 2: good teams that they've.

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Speaker 1: They've played three teams with winning records, and they're own

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Speaker 1: three in those games.

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Speaker 2: They're good teams. But if your good teams be good teams, their.

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Speaker 1: Strength of victory is two sixty.

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Speaker 2: People are like, what's strength the victory? Every team you've played,

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Speaker 2: what are their collective records? They win twenty six percent

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Speaker 1: Conversely, looking at the other teams that would we would

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Speaker 2: Okay, Kansas City is five h nine. Okay, I haven't

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Speaker 1: Baltimore's five oh nine, Jacksonville five oh nine, wow, Miami

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers are five twelve, is it?

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Speaker 2: Okay? The Ravens are on there, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Browns are four to twenty nine, Okay, and

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Speaker 1: then you've got Cincinnati at four forty two. Miami's the

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Speaker 1: outlier there, yeah, without doubt. Now, I think they're a

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Speaker 1: good football team.

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Speaker 2: I think they're a good offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, defensively they're pretty soft.

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Speaker 2: I think they have good, really good players, some really

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Speaker 2: both regards. I don't think they can close out games

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Speaker 2: they want to do, right right, it isn't Now Tyreek

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Speaker 1: They can drop forty on any team in the league.

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Speaker 1: And they're three losses, They've averaged seventeen points pering I know,

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Speaker 1: I think I don't because again, I think you can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of.

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Speaker 1: A sudden, guys aren't running free in the secondary.

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Speaker 2: And see, I don't know if they can kill you

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Speaker 2: that's the problem. Yeah, And I'm curious when a Chan

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Speaker 2: and most are together. I think they equal one good back,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The problem.

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Speaker 1: The problem is you can't hand it to them both

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean. But like you don't want moster

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Speaker 2: to get in twenty five carries, but the two of

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Speaker 2: them combined can have twenty five carries. Their problem, those

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Speaker 2: but that's an that's a Niner Miami thing. Like they

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Speaker 2: won a great left tackle, Trent Williams Armstead. Armstead's never healthy.

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Speaker 2: And then the rest of them. They just say, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna cut corner of our other four linemen because I'm

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Speaker 2: such a smart offensive mind. I'm gonna scheme it all

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Speaker 2: up and I'm not gonna spend my money there. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna spend it on Kittle and Ayuk and Tyreek. And

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Speaker 2: it's good, but it has its flaws. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's an accident that last year both the Dolphins

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Speaker 2: and Niners were two of the teams have played three

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Speaker 2: different quarterbacks. They've even played four. They both played a

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Speaker 2: ton because like you don't passbalk Well so your quarterback

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Speaker 2: takes a beating. I mean when talks about two woul

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Speaker 2: being beat up, well, the system gets them beat up.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't this year, luckily.

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Speaker 1: Their strength of victory is the worst, unbelievable. It's the

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Speaker 1: worst in the AFC. It might be the worst in

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Speaker 1: the league. Let me see here it is.

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Speaker 2: It has to be.

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Speaker 1: It's the worst in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, only win a quarter of their game.

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Speaker 2: In their physical and they went five in a row, right,

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Speaker 2: You know, they cut at the twenty one to fourteen.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the things that's a side note, but

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like exactly, Well, that didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, I had people come out with

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Speaker 1: I'm allowed to be wrong, right right. I mean they've

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Speaker 2: Really really Well yeah, yeah, you spend what five months

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Speaker 1: You're gonna say some stuff that's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could definitely find some errors there. Yeah, trust me.

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Speaker 2: I think all four teams.

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Speaker 1: I think all four teams in the division are good teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've seen this.

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Speaker 1: We've seen half the season here. This isn't a small

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Speaker 2: Exactly. I think that's a great point too. I mean

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Speaker 2: it reminds me of the Make of Trade. I mean

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Speaker 2: we went into details. You look around, You've seen Washington,

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Speaker 1: This isn't New England.

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Speaker 1: Belichick might not survive this.

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Speaker 2: He might not survive us, right right, Like this that's bad, that's.

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Speaker 1: Bad, right, that is you know they're they've they've hit

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Speaker 2: But there's like I mean, the Rams are down drifting

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the bottom of the NFC,

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Speaker 2: Team on that day? They were never in that No. Never.

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Speaker 1: Chicago bad, horrible, The Giants bad, the worst. The Giants

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Speaker 2: I don't know how right. They're the worst team going.

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Speaker 2: This win is going to make them perceiving to be

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Speaker 2: They have a lot of problems.

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Speaker 1: Their strength of victory is three seventy.

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Speaker 2: But this version of them, this one, if they would

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Speaker 1: It was like the Cardinals yesterday. Cardinals were playing basically

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now the Giants are in that situation. I know

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Speaker 1: Right, there's some really there's just some direk out there.

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Speaker 2: I think the version of the Ramps that they beat

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Speaker 2: And what isn't awful in the NFC NFC brutal to right,

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Speaker 1: And well, this tells you all you need to know

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Speaker 2: They're beating good teams.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the NFC, oh, I bet.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the So you've got Philadelphia, Philadelphia at four

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Speaker 1: San Francisco at four fifty six that includes a win

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Speaker 2: Terrible. Atlanta has to be bad.

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Speaker 2: They're another team, the one.

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Speaker 1: They're another one that every time they play a good

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Speaker 2: They'd be pretty bad. Yesterday too. I mean like it

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Speaker 1: You got Minnesota at four eighty, which should get Mike

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Speaker 1: we've beat at least beaten some good teams here.

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Speaker 2: Washington's a good story.

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Speaker 1: Washington's at four thirty eight, Atlanta's at for seventy three.

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Speaker 1: It's Tampa Bay at five point fifty seven. But they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say they're a disaster now though.

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Speaker 2: They beat Dallas, right, I can't remember any of the

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Speaker 1: I know Arizona beat Dallas because their strength of victory.

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Speaker 2: The Giants lost the very end of Dallas ye Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals strength of victory is five thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: Because they'd be they beat Dallas Dallas.

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Speaker 2: it could be the Rams, it could be the Ram.

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Speaker 1: You get another game, AGA's Cardinals, you get games you know. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's some games there you can win.

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Speaker 2: Stafford comes back, I mean they have a chance.

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Speaker 1: And he almost played this week. He was questioning, I.

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Speaker 2: Think there's a by this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's he's back coming out of the by.

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Speaker 1: The point is, don't apologize for the Steelers being five

449
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Speaker 1: and three. They're five and three. They found ways to

450
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Speaker 1: win these games.

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Speaker 2: And their Eagles are a really good team and they

452
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Speaker 2: have a great record, but they haven't blown anybody out,

453
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Speaker 2: killing people either yeah, right right, you.

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Speaker 1: Just win the game. I don't care if you do

455
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Speaker 1: it ugly pretty, It doesn't matter. Win the game. That's

456
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Speaker 1: the name of the game, is to who has the

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Speaker 1: most wins at the end of the season. This isn't

458
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Speaker 1: college football, where oh, we got to win by twenty

459
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Speaker 1: five this week or we're gonna drop.

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Speaker 2: In the polls. There's a chance, like when the draft

461
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Speaker 2: comes around, or like eight of the top ten picks

462
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Speaker 2: is gonna be the NFC. Good chance. I mean, like

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Speaker 2: Denver'll pick low or right now.

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Speaker 1: New England's four. Denver's gonna pick low, but they get

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Speaker 1: three wins.

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Speaker 2: But they're playing better at least, Yeah, I mean New

467
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Speaker 2: England can win a game here.

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Speaker 1: The Tennessee's got three wins. I don't know if they

469
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Speaker 1: win any more, they.

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Speaker 2: Might maybe, I mean they'll get two or three more probably. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you got the charge.

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Speaker 1: The charges right now are thirteenth in the ANFC.

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Speaker 2: I mean they probably move up a spot or two

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Speaker 2: if they win tonight too. Right, you talk about digging

475
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Speaker 2: the hole. Yeah, it's as you mentioned this too.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't do that this year like the Steelers did

477
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Speaker 1: last year and hope to have a shot right right right,

478
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Speaker 1: so that they're five and three right now, and as

479
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Speaker 1: they showed last season, they got their stuff together in

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Speaker 1: the second half and played much better.

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Speaker 2: We might have fell just short, yeah, because of the

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Speaker 2: FC Yeah, tiebreakers, maybe.

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Speaker 1: Just maybe we started to see that against the Titans

484
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Speaker 1: a little bit here.

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Speaker 2: I think you saw a little bit against the Rams too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know where you started to put some.

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Speaker 2: Looks like last year. To me, yeah, I mean it's

488
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Speaker 2: not always beautiful, but the formula is starting to at

489
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Speaker 2: least take shape. This is kind of a side note,

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Speaker 2: but we talked about a little bit and you mentioned

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Speaker 2: this too. I mean, like the loser of last night's

492
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Speaker 2: game is in Toronto. It's not a loser leave town

493
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Speaker 2: match because they have Allan and Burrow. To me, I

494
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Speaker 2: still think both those teams could potentially win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: especially since he but you have four conference losses and

496
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Speaker 2: you're five and four already.

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Speaker 1: As a bill, Cincinnati needed that game in a bad,

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Speaker 1: bad way. They would have been they would have been

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Speaker 1: zero to four in the AFC. Okay, yeah, with the

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Speaker 1: trip trips, still wait and go to Baltimore. You still

501
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Speaker 1: have to go to Pitts like Kansas City, they got

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Speaker 1: some tough games.

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Speaker 2: They have the two harder schedules in the league, Buffalo

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Speaker 2: in Kansas City and Cincinnati. That's what I mean, like

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Speaker 2: a lot. Whoever lost last night got hit hard. I

506
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Speaker 2: mean that's a Mike Tyson punch right to the face. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Buffalo now two and four in the conference.

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Speaker 1: And well that when you start looking at four conference

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Speaker 1: if you didn't play head to head, Yeah, the next

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Speaker 1: proNT tie breaker is conference losses.

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Speaker 2: What's your record in the conference. Fortunately for them, I

512
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Speaker 2: still think they have a real chance to win their division.

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Speaker 1: They do because I don't think I think they're better.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Miami is is good.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that jet.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're great. I think they're good. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're great. Anyways, let's get to a break.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 3: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 3: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 3: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, and

526
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Speaker 1: Matt one of the other big things over the last

527
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours here has been comparing Kenny Pickett to

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Speaker 1: basically every other quarterback in the league. If they want

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Speaker 1: a game, they're great. Why they're better than Kenny?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I can see that. I actually did a podcast

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Speaker 2: this morning just talking about state of the AFC quarterbacks,

532
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Speaker 2: which that's not a very fun conference. That's a much

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Speaker 2: different conversation then judging him to anyone that's rolling out

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Speaker 2: there at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't want this to come across as if

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Speaker 1: I'm criticizing Josh Dobbs. What he did yesterday was amazing.

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Speaker 1: It was you know, it's a very interesting case. Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell was was basically explaining to him over the headset, Okay,

539
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Speaker 1: here's the call, here's what the receivers are going to do.

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Speaker 1: Now for him for him to be able to conceptualize that.

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Speaker 1: And he's a very bright young man, of course.

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Speaker 2: Very bright young and I think O'Connell said something like,

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Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it. Yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 2: that this guy could actually not ever pick up the

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Speaker 2: book and pass the test.

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Speaker 1: Now some of that was because they were playing the

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Speaker 1: Falcons and Arthur Smith is apparently not that smart.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing. London's out and he

549
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Speaker 2: still don't use Pitts and Bijon to the half the

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Speaker 2: degree the three carries from the one and didn't use Bijonah,

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Speaker 2: it's bonkers. I mean Algie and just draft him.

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Speaker 1: And then when he's asked about this this stuff, he's

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Speaker 1: like he just kind of lot shrugs it off, like

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Speaker 1: I got, I got, I know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't about your fantasy team. I'm not talking

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Speaker 2: about fantasy Like, I'm the owner here and you use

557
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Speaker 2: three top ten picks on these dudes and they don't

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Speaker 2: ever get the ball and you just have a new quarterback.

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Speaker 2: We can't blame Ritter anymore, you know, Like what's going

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Speaker 2: on there. That's that's a bizarre team and a really

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Speaker 2: bizarre offense. Yeah, let's get back to Dobbs over.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Josh Dobbs, Hey, I'm rooting for him again.

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Speaker 2: I think he takes the Vikes to the playoff.

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Speaker 1: He's a great young man. He's gonna do all kinds

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Speaker 1: of great stuff. He's doing he already has, he already has.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he'll go on to do even more great stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'll pale in comparison to my life without bind to

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Speaker 2: do it. Josh Dobbs, Right, not even close.

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Speaker 1: But let's not pretend that the rest of this season

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Speaker 1: hasn't happened.

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Speaker 2: Or of his career to this point, right, So do

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Speaker 2: you have his timeline there? I think he's been five

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Speaker 2: teams in the last like eight months.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's been with the Steelers, then Jacksonville his.

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Speaker 2: Whole career r. Yeah, they traded him. What's interesting though,

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Speaker 2: is people trade for him. Yeah, they give things up

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Speaker 2: to get because he's a bright young guy who yes

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Speaker 2: gets it and it's amazing that he acclimated in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: and Cleveland as fast as he did. They traded for

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Speaker 2: him like the week before the season in Arizona, not

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland. In Arizona, I mean Arizona, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Which runs a very similar offense to Cleveland's.

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Speaker 2: Right, But he showed Cardinals were competitive right when he

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Speaker 2: got there, even though he hadn't been there a long Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But he's been with like five teams in the last

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Speaker 2: five months or something like that, eight months because to

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Speaker 2: his credit. People want him. He's smart, He's an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's exactly exactly what you want in your backup. He's smart,

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Speaker 1: he can come in, he'll manage the game. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to get you beat necessarily.

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Speaker 2: He can make some plays with his legs and arm

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Speaker 2: and is a high character dude, and he's been around

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Speaker 2: the block and he's quote benin stadiums. But then these

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Speaker 2: teams don't mind trading him either because his ceiling is

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Speaker 2: so low. I mean his floors high as ceiling is low.

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Speaker 2: And neither's good enough. You know, he's a backup, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what he is. But you talk about a journeyman,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's going a giant Fitzpatrick journey.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to he's trying to beat who.

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Speaker 2: Is Josh Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Josh Johnson's like record in like how.

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Speaker 2: Many teams five years?

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Speaker 1: The next the next step is I think next year

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Speaker 1: what the league should do. There's all these bad teams.

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Speaker 1: He should go and play for a different one each week, Like.

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Speaker 2: They should send to the Giants this week. Yeah, instead

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Speaker 2: of us having all the Giants would kill for Josh

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Speaker 2: Doabbs exactly, instead of all of us having to watched

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Speaker 2: the veto go take Josh Dobbs on. Let's make it

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Speaker 2: even harder. Trade for him on Thursday, let alone today.

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Speaker 2: But he's the guy.

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Speaker 1: He's the he's the utility guy who plays all nine

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Speaker 1: positions on the baseball field. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna put

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Speaker 1: him here. We're gonna put him there.

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Speaker 2: Catch he could get us out. Okay, maybe he's not

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Speaker 2: really good at it, but it's clos he'll get you buy. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: There's that crazy thing in the NHL where every city

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Speaker 2: has the emergency goalieeah, like the Pittsburgh one I think

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Speaker 2: is like an electrician or something, and they call him

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Speaker 2: up and he throws his pads on and runs there

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Speaker 2: like in an ambulance. He could be that guy, you know,

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Speaker 2: like if you if you lose your quarterback, he just

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Speaker 2: comes out on forever ever team and you'll be Okay.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at somebody said for that, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Making fun of him at all. But his record as

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Speaker 1: a starter.

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Speaker 2: It can't be good. Is one and nine? Is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And the teams that are with him realize we're not

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Speaker 2: going to win with him though, you know. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: I am really interested maybe justin Jefferson comes back.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine. The weapons are good.

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Speaker 2: Can he be fine for nine weeks though that's never

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Speaker 2: shown that he can't. That's fine for a week when

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Speaker 2: he comes off the bench or the on the couch.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he can be fine for nine weeks.

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Speaker 1: So looking at that and then looking at I'm just

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Speaker 1: looking here the last sixteen games for Kenny Pickett. Okay,

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Speaker 1: since the bye week of last year, he's made sixteen starts,

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Speaker 1: he's missed one. He's completed sixty point three five percent

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Speaker 1: of his passes. He'd like to see that being higher today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: twenty nine hundred and thirty two yards, but he's missed

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Speaker 1: parts of a couple other games, so it'd be over

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Speaker 1: three thousand yards at this point, which, again you'd like

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Speaker 1: to see higher. But the main thing is do you

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Speaker 1: win the game? And in those games they're twelve and five,

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Speaker 1: he's throwing eleven touchdown passes five interceptions.

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Speaker 2: So I think your argument is if you swapped him

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Speaker 2: out with Dobbs during that stretch, would it be better

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Speaker 2: or worse?

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Speaker 1: The Steelers would not be The Steelers would not be

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Speaker 1: twelve and five in their last seventeen games with Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 2: And it would look worse overall, like there would be

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Speaker 2: some things better. I'm sure Dobbs understands and reads defense

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Speaker 2: is better because he's experienced and he's older, he's been

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Speaker 2: around for a while, very bright. Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 2: that he does the fourth quarter stuff Kenny does. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm certain he wouldn't have in many of those games

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Speaker 2: because he is what he is at this point.

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Speaker 1: The other key stat here for me with Picket, the

660
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: five interceptions to me over over a sixteen game.

661
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 2: That's the whole is huge.

662
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: He's also only fumbled twice and he hasn't lost one

663
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: then in sixth over course of a season. It's pretty

664
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: darn good.

665
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: It is. So I've that's incredibly good, to be honest

666
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: with you, I have as a rookie, as a run Yeah.

667
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: So I was just on Mart Madden showy before we started,

668
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 2: and he was kind of asking me about this, you know, like,

669
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: are the Steelers holding Picket back? They ask him to

670
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: do too little? And I understand both sides, you know, asking.

671
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: Him to do what you need to do to win

672
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: the game.

673
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Right, Like I think Tomlin has decided anything I can

674
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: do this Sunday to win is most important, or some

675
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: organizations might say, I want to what's best for this

676
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: organization three years from now, and I'll take my lumps

677
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: in the process. Now, I think there's some merit to

678
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: both sides, but you're you're hired to win the game

679
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: as a coach, you know what I mean. And I

680
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: think he's figured out very quickly that when our quarterback

681
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: turns the ball over, we usually lose. Right when he doesn't,

682
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: we usually win.

683
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: Well, the idea is to win the game.

684
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that doesn't mean you can outduel Mahomes.

685
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's people out there going, well,

686
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: that's the Then you have a low ceiling too for now. Yes,

687
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: I said this conversation with Wolf too. He's like, isn't

688
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: that exactly what they asked out of Ben for the

689
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: first two years. I'm like, yeah, and.

690
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: Even at the end, that's what they ask to keep

691
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: it close and then win it at the end.

692
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: And Pickett madye never and probably never will turn into Ben.

693
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: He's a Hall of Fame reason all time. Great, But

694
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: that's what they asked the Brady at the beginning of

695
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: his career two. You know what I mean, that's what

696
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: they do to young guys.

697
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: This idea that you have to go out and throw

698
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: for three hundred yards and three touchdown passes every game

699
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: where you're not a good quarterback, to me is amazing

700
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: because the bottom line for the quarterback is does he

701
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: give you a chance to win?

702
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: And what pick its formula is.

703
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: I think they came into this season thinking that, maybe

704
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: because coming off of his first season and then how

705
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: he played in the preseason, that hell, we can we

706
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: can let this, we can let we can take the

707
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: wheels off a little training wheels off a little bit here.

708
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: Then you go out and he throws two picks against

709
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. You lose that game badly. They

710
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: couldn't complete a pass in the first half of the game,

711
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: couldn't move the ball at all. You come out in

712
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: early in the game against Cleveland, he threw an early

713
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: interception in that game. I think it was on the

714
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: first possession or it was either the first or second possession.

715
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: And then I think they said, you know what, let's

716
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: go back to last year's formula. Take care of the football,

717
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: keep things nice and simple for him, and give him

718
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: a chance to do what he does best, which is

719
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: win the game at the end of it. You see

720
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: what people ask why the fourth quarter stats are different

721
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: because I think in the fourth quarter they're just letting them, Hey,

722
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: you got to go out and win the game for us.

723
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he has magic fairy does no,

724
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: you know. I do think there is a clutch factor

725
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: to everybody, and his is strong. But I don't think

726
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he figures it out or but

727
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 2: he makes throws.

728
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: He makes throws late in the game, in the fourth

729
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: quarter when they're when they're going on one of these

730
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: game winning drives, He'll make throws that he wouldn't even

731
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: attempt earlier in the game.

732
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: So I'm sure there's listeners saying, well, let him attempt

733
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 2: him for four quarters. Okay, But then he has two

734
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: picks in that game, and history shows you don't win

735
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: those games, right, you know what I mean, Like the

736
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: picks would go up.

737
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: Without a doubt. He's throwing one interception since the Cleveland game.

738
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: I know one. I mean, that's pretty incredible, you know,

739
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: And would you like to see higher degree difficulty throws?

740
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, you.

741
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: Know, like that if you're winning the game games.

742
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Okay, I can live with this. Yeah right,

743
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: I mean I would like. I'm not saying he's anything

744
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: close to a perfect quarterback. He misses too many open

745
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: receivers from my liking, or to be a long term success,

746
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: that has to change. Yeah, there were open guys that

747
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: he left, you know, left it on the field against

748
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: Tennessee in all year. Really that needs corrected. But the

749
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: fact that he values the ball and whenever he does

750
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: uncork it, it's good. That's something to build off of.

751
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: I mean, and it keeps you in games. I mean,

752
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: it keeps you in the games, and it gives you

753
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: the opportunity to win the games.

754
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, they lost that game to Jacksonville twenty to ten,

755
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: and he didn't play the second half. I would have

756
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: loved to a scene how that game had gone in

757
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: the second half, because that was win. It was there

758
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: to win, even though Jacksonville had outplayed them.

759
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacksonville was a better team, but it's still they

760
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: didn't run away and scoreboard.

761
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: They didn't run away because this team knows how to

762
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: keep the game close and give yourself a chance to win.

763
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: Now, that's been a great litmus test the more I

764
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: think about it, like if you come out at halftime

765
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: and well, I guess it's still.

766
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: They had started to move the football. Yeah, when he

767
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: got hurt, they started to open it up a little bit,

768
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, well there there you go.

769
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: See I was gonna I was. I forgot that the

770
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: score was still very close at halftime. I mean it

771
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: should have been nine to six. But anyway, but I

772
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: was going to say, what if you gave him a

773
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: whole half? The Niners is too far of an extreme

774
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 2: of uncorked for the half. Now you know you're down.

775
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: I think that's where they were headed with that, because

776
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: you saw that the possession before they they went down

777
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: and tried the sixty one yard field goal. He had

778
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: led them right down the field, bing bing bing bang bing,

779
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: they get they miss it, you know, getting a touchdown there.

780
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: They kick a field goal, but that was a long

781
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: drive to make an NFL throw. Yeah, then he comes out,

782
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: Tomlin calls the time out before the half. Jacksonville kicks

783
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: the field goal. He wanted to give pick at time

784
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to go back down the field again because he felt like, okay, yeah,

785
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: he's making these throws against these guys. Let's let it go.

786
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: I'm going there.

787
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they go bing bing bing bang bang right

788
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: down again in the field goal range before everything happened,

789
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: but he was starting to heat like a click.

790
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, And I.

791
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Would have loved to have seen this the entire second

792
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: half of that.

793
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think you're right there. I mean that's

794
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: not a great secondary. I mean, your guys can win

795
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: one on one matchups and he can make those rows.

796
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 2: I think he could do that against Packers too. Yeah,

797
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think the Packers are all that great.

798
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: I mean, but the idea that this team doesn't like.

799
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: So Stroud had a great game on the Great Game,

800
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: fantastic or seventy, you know, that's okay. They had to

801
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: win the game. What was a thirty nine to thirty seven.

802
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Steelers don't want to play that way. No,

803
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: they don't.

804
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: They're not going to play a thirty nine to thirty

805
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: seven game.

806
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: No. And as great as Stroud looks the week before,

807
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: he lost to Bryce Young and the Panthers, I mean,

808
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: this league is up and down. You know. That's a

809
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: young quarterback thing.

810
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: This steadiness of what Pickett is doing now, and I'm

811
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: not saying he's a complete quarterbacker. He's playing great football

812
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: right now. Nothing of the sort but his But you

813
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: know what you're getting, it's a nice steady.

814
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I think that's the good be

815
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: putting it. I mean, what is it? Progress isn't linear?

816
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 2: I mean it definitely isn't.

817
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not seeing the peaks and valleys here,

818
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: We're not seeing Bryce Young last week goes out, beats

819
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: the beats of Texans against against Indianapolis, comes out and

820
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: throws two pick sixes.

821
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: And head dude, Yeah, I mean he's at a rough like.

822
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: That's what you don't want. You don't want your quarterback,

823
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: your young quarterback, to lose it for you.

824
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: You also, but if you can cut some of the

825
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: inconsistencies out of a young quarterbacks game, that's you're you're

826
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: checking one of the box.

827
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: Look at Max Jones right now. Yeah, I mean he's

828
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: up and down and all.

829
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: Over the place. Oh yeah, I mean they pretty much

830
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: mostly down. Frankly, Lawrence has been through his career and

831
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: even at not including his rookie year, it's not much

832
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: more up than down now. But I mean it's what

833
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: stars do. I mean, it's even even the top prospects.

834
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: They're managing their young quarterback.

835
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: Are the numbers.

836
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: I don't care about the numbers necessarily. The only number

837
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: that matters are the wins and losses. And if this

838
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: team can get the ten wins this year, which they

839
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: they can, I don't know that they will, but they can.

840
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: They're capable. I mean, I think they have a very

841
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: good chance to beat the Packers. Yeah, that gets you

842
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: a seven. That gets you to six.

843
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, five and three, and you still have the three

844
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: very winnable games.

845
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: Coming out it.

846
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: So if you can steal one of those other games

847
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: somewhere along the way, that gets you to ten.

848
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gont swept in the division going forward.

849
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't think so. He is not how division, this

850
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: division works.

851
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all. You know, if you

852
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: can do that and get to ten wins, you're probably

853
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: a playoff team. Yeah, don't and then you don't apologize

854
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: for being a playoff team.

855
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: And then this is probably much a whole day we

856
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: could talk about. If you get to ten and you're

857
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: still not developing on offense like you want, is it

858
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: a successful season or not? I think it is if

859
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: you've still built blocks to build off of. You know

860
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: what I mean, right, I mean, if it's all block kicks,

861
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: then congrats to Danny Smith of it is. But I

862
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: mean your quarterback has to take a step forward for

863
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: it to be a successful year.

864
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: I think he's taken baby steps forward exactly.

865
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: Now?

866
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Is it the is it the giant leaps that we

867
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: thought it might be at the you know coming out

868
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: of the preseason.

869
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: No, the preseason probably didn't help the picket expectations.

870
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: It did not whatsoever, right, But the fact that you know,

871
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: last year, you win some games down the you know,

872
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: close games down the stretch, and he comes to his

873
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: fourth quarter comebacks a lot of stuff.

874
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know if he could do that again. Well,

875
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: he's shown that he can. Yeah, that's starting to be.

876
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: He's shown that he can't. It's pretty sticky. And you know,

877
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: once you do it.

878
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: Like, you know, five and six times in a short

879
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: amount of time, it's not an accident.

880
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: I doubt that'll go away. Yeah, I mean it won't

881
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: be it every time, but part of.

882
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: It Roethlisberger didn't do it every time, But you knew

883
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: you had that, he knew you knew he had that

884
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: in his back pocket, Like.

885
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: Wolf talks about this a lot, and I bring him

886
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: up because he's a former player that's in the huddle

887
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: with those I mean, he's actually in the huddle with

888
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks with Bradshaw. He brings it up a lot,

889
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: like we all looked at him and knew he could

890
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: do it, right, you know, but they didn't know Ben

891
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: could do it at this age.

892
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: There are some quarterbacks, I'm sure that you know, when

893
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: they step into the huddle in these kind of situations.

894
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: Around the league, you want you're hoping to press he

895
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: can't do this, no, right, right, I mean even like starters,

896
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: not the Vidos of the world, right, Yeah, the guys

897
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: that are it's not his bag, you know, it's just

898
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: not what they haven't done at enough times. Carr and

899
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: cousins and guys that are successful, good quarter at Prescott.

900
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah right, you know, I mean I have that same

901
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: feeling that we're in good shape, not necessarily. Yeah.

902
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: So anyways, Yeah, let's take a break here. He is

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Speaker 1: We've referenced a little bit of this Green Bay team

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Speaker 1: that is coming to town on Sunday, and well, if

917
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: you start looking at DVOA on them, they're nineteenth, are they?

918
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: They're nineteenth on offense. I'm sorry, they're twentieth. Nineteenth on offense,

919
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: nineteenth on defense, twenty ninth on special teams.

920
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: Okay, tonight is when I really start to dig in.

921
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: I've done some obviously watched them from Afar. They're pretty rough.

922
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean this past week they really got Aaron Jones

923
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: back involved, which is about the most positive thing I

924
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: can say about them, because they've He's important to them.

925
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: You know, most carries and targets by far all year,

926
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: so he's starting to round back into shape. They got

927
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: a lot of issues. And the first thing I always

928
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: say about the Packers, which boggles my mind is if

929
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: you go back, I'm guessing twelve years, but it might

930
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: even be more. Their first round pick and sometimes multiple

931
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: first round picks are on defense.

932
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: The defense isn't good except for Jordan Love.

933
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: Except for the Jordan Love here, and their defense is

934
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: never even average. Their first round picks everywhere like the

935
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: even imagine.

936
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: In straight DVA they're twenty second on defense straight DVA.

937
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: The Steelers are sixth on defense.

938
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: I mean, the Packers should be a top five defense

939
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: with the resources they use on first round picks.

940
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: There, first round picks, some money that they've spent.

941
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they keep Jarry Alexander and you know Shoun

942
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: Gary's just cast a big contract. Yeah, and those guys

943
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: are good. But the defense isn't.

944
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Overall is not good.

945
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: No, then there's this and those special teams are that bad.

946
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: People thought. If you think the Steelers offense in the

947
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: first quarter is bad, this is one that's actually worse.

948
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, worse.

949
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: They've had nineteen first quarter possessions this year. They've scored

950
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: one touchdown that came in Week one against Chicago.

951
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: And many moons ago against a really bad team.

952
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: They've had in nineteen possessions, eight three and outs, So

953
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: that's over forty percent.

954
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just first quarter, that's.

955
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: Over forty percent. In the first quarter, they're averaging one

956
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: point six points p per quarter. In the first quarter,

957
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: the Steelers are two point six.

958
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, think about that. I mean, if that

959
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: kept up through the course of the game, you would

960
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: average like six point two points per game. I mean,

961
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: that's how bad their first quarter. It doesn't get.

962
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: Any better in the second quarter. They're averaging two point

963
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: nine points per game in the second quarter, so on average,

964
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: they average basically three points per game in the first half.

965
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: I wonder what the first half over under is of

966
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 2: this game, like six, you might want to play it. Yeah,

967
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: Vegas is aware, but yeah, can you make a number

968
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: low enough considering the history. I mean, this game is

969
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: worse early in games.

970
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: So on average, if these if this plays out on average,

971
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: because the Steelers average two point six points per game

972
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: in the first quarter four point three points per game

973
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: in the second quarter, the score should be seven to

974
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: three at the half.

975
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: And three to two at the end of the quarter.

976
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: It's three to two after one. Now green Bay in

977
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: this Lee run homer and a double off the wall.

978
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: Green Bay in the third and fourth quarters is better.

979
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: Eight point three points per game in the third quarter,

980
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: seven point three points per game in the fourth quarter.

981
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: But I mean, I would have to look, is they

982
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: don't win games, is it heating up? Is it is

983
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: Love better in the fourth quarter, or is there some

984
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: garbage time in there that they're losing by twenty I

985
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: don't know what their average margin of maybe a little

986
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 2: bit of both. I would say it's probably a little

987
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: of both. And I'll be very honest. I mean, I

988
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: regret this take now. But like when preseason ended, I

989
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: looked at Love and Picket of all the first second

990
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: year starting quarterbacks, not Lawrence, you know, and I thought

991
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: those two are gonna be starting quarterbacks for in this league,

992
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: that they're gonna be successes. And neither has won been

993
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: nearly as good as I expected. I thought they both

994
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: had high floors. They're gonna be good, They're gonna be fine,

995
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: They're gonna last here as starters in this league.

996
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: I think in Love's first three games this year, he

997
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: had five touchdown passes, no interceptions.

998
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: Now it's been totally different.

999
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: Now he's got twelve and eight.

1000
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1001
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: Like he's turning the ball over at a pretty alarming

1002
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: rate here over the last five games.

1003
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: I'm almost certain. And I'll know this again tonight. I

1004
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: usually wait till after Monday football to start doing stats.

1005
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: But he's the least accurate quarterback in the LEA.

1006
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's completing fifty nine point six percent of his passes.

1007
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: And I'm not including the guys that are throwing two passes,

1008
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: but like guys that are throwing the ball been starters.

1009
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: He's like the least accurate in the league.

1010
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just yeah, could be a I

1011
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense will get after him.

1012
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we did mention this. Their best defensive lineman,

1013
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: Kenny Clark was injured and didn't return. There was several

1014
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: Christian Watson has a back, a chest and is in

1015
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: concussion protocol. Like when I saw that, I'm like, did

1016
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: the cart run him over or something.

1017
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Like?

1018
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: That's like is he a motorcycle accident? I mean, like,

1019
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: how does that happen? And Bactieri's hurt. Nisky, the other

1020
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: lineman has left this game, Savage didn't play. Like many

1021
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: of their best guys are banged up or got banged up.

1022
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: They played a really bad Rams team.

1023
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking at like kway Walker didn't play.

1024
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: He didn't play. He was an active Yeah.

1025
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Rudy Ford, who's there starting a strong safety, he didn't play.

1026
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: He didn't play either.

1027
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 1: Darnell Savage is on IR yeah, Okay, Eric Stokes there's

1028
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: another one of their cornerbacks on IRU and several.

1029
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean I know Kenny Clark left the game and

1030
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: it looked bad. Watson left the game and I don't

1031
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: know if he'll play he's concussed. So yeah, on top

1032
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 2: of everything else, with everything else, right, like the guys

1033
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: they count on, it was big for them to get

1034
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: Jones back in the mix because they lost a lot

1035
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: and I don't know bout A will ever play again

1036
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: left tackle.

1037
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's he hasn't played much football in

1038
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: the last three or four years.

1039
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: Right, right. Yeah, It's just and they're so young on

1040
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: offense on top of that by design, like they I

1041
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 2: think when the season started they had the youngest roster

1042
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: in the league and certainly the youngest skill pus and.

1043
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: That included like guys like Balfiri who's not playing now.

1044
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: Right, like he's the older some of the older guys,

1045
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: I mean.

1046
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: The offensive line. And we'll go over this later in

1047
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: the week when we do this. But Josh Neeman, he's

1048
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: the one that left got hurt.

1049
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: He got hurt. Yeah, it wasn't this was Neman. It's

1050
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: their third left tackle.

1051
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: They're right Elkton Jenkins, who's a good player, guard, Josh

1052
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: Myers at center, John Running at right guard, Zach Tom

1053
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: at right tackle.

1054
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: Those four aren't bad. I mean, uh, what's his face?

1055
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: The left guard is the best player of the group. Yeah,

1056
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: Jenkins is, But there are a lot of mid round

1057
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: picks and you know they're okay.

1058
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but they've had to play Jenkins over

1059
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: the years out of tackle. He's everywhere, and he's kind

1060
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: of been you know, they got they've moved around. I

1061
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: don't know what you do this week against the Steeler pass rush.

1062
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a problem. Yeah, on the road, I

1063
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: think you're gonna be on your third left tackle from

1064
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: what I gather. We'll start taking into injury reports obviously

1065
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: down the road.

1066
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry Zach Tom against t J. Watt is

1067
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: not a.

1068
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: Right he's a nice story. I mean, he's a starter,

1069
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: he's good. You know, he's a young player, but he's

1070
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: not one of the better right tackles.

1071
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: He's not ready to face TJ. A. Watt by himself,

1072
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: and you're gonna probably have to help your left tackle.

1073
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm a Musgrave fan, But he's much more

1074
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: of a receiver than blocker. I don't think they use

1075
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: a They used a Gora in kind of a youth

1076
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: check type of way, as like a full back tight end. Dude.

1077
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: But I mean he's not a killer either. And the

1078
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: receivers are just so young. I mean they're all rookies

1079
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: and the second year guys. Yeah, it's learning together.

1080
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: We've seen what that looks like. That was last year

1081
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: for the Steelers.

1082
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there is some similar I mean, Steelers

1083
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: were the youngest offense in the league. I'm sure the

1084
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: Packers are right there, Texas.

1085
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers are a little farther down the

1086
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: road than the Packers are.

1087
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: They don't Johnson right.

1088
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, by the way, the defense is better, yes, Oh,

1089
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: and the special teams are better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't realize they were that bad on special teams. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: very winnable game.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, we're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lawley. You're listening to the drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. That'll do it for hour one.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with our two right after this