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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallis and chriss

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Speaker 1: Is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now

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Speaker 1: tuned in the kJ Live. Today's guest on the show

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Speaker 1: is a multitalented multimedia personality, post writer, and producer. Two

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Speaker 1: dollar fifteen, he won a Sports Emmy for Rand University.

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Speaker 1: ESPN is thirty for thirty on legendary wide receiver Randy Moss.

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Speaker 1: Our guest has written on sports, music and culture for

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Speaker 1: politics for the past fifteen years and continues to entertain

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Speaker 1: sports lovers with exceptional television, podcast and radio programming on

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Speaker 1: ESPN and most recently, he was He is joining the

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Speaker 1: cast of Back on the Record with the legendary Bob

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Speaker 1: This on HBO. Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome into the show. Bo.

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Speaker 1: Matti Jones is in the building. Bow. What's good dude, man?

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Speaker 1: I'm good man. How about you, man, I'm wonderful man.

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Speaker 1: I'm just out here in l A is a little overcast,

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Speaker 1: my man. But we're hoping this burns off and we

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Speaker 1: can make a day out of it. They are only

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Speaker 1: gonna lose your minds over seeing plows that don't happen

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Speaker 1: over there very much. I know you have a little

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Speaker 1: history out here too, so we'll get into that a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But yeah, man, it's you know, l A.

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Speaker 1: Weather is a trip bro. But speaking on stuff that

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Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to touch on with you, man,

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Speaker 1: a lot of what you do right You're you're the

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Speaker 1: kind of the contemporary pop culture commentator, the sports pop

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Speaker 1: culture commentators, so we can always get your take on

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Speaker 1: anything that's happening. You come up these really thoughtful, intelligent

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Speaker 1: sort of takes. Man, You're always getting into the thick

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Speaker 1: of it. But I don't think a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: know your background. So one of the things I kind

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Speaker 1: of wanted to do because I've always been fascinated with

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Speaker 1: your background ever since I first met you. I just

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Speaker 1: where you're from, how you grew up, your edguc asial background, man,

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Speaker 1: some of your accolades, and then sort of how you

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Speaker 1: transitioned into sports media. Yeah. No, Um, I was born

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Speaker 1: there until I graduated high schools like right before I

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Speaker 1: turned uh seventeen, and I went back to Atlanta with

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Speaker 1: college at Clark Atlanta University. My parents were both professors.

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Speaker 1: And the thing about Clark that was interesting was at

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Speaker 1: people as well. I was going to school and one

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Speaker 1: thing I knew I wasn't gon do was to go

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Speaker 1: then my brother, who's thirteen years old than me, explained

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Speaker 1: that ain't worried about what you're doing. Okay, cool, right,

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Speaker 1: And so I made a trip down there. So he

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Speaker 1: got rather Atlanta like I got to college in ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: like this isn't like yeah, like this is Atlanta on

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Speaker 1: like two thousand, two thousand two kids when I got there,

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Speaker 1: a way that was that necessitated, like competition between people,

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Speaker 1: Like they didn't make a whole lot of sense for

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Speaker 1: which meant, of course, in the fall of Able one,

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Speaker 1: I was in grad school. I went to Claremont Graduate

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Speaker 1: University in Clarmont, California. What made so you You was

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Speaker 1: the move to grad school? Because I wasn't doing anything

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Speaker 1: else and these people called me, and I'll never forget

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Speaker 1: they called me, like in August, and they were trying

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Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I guess, like, I really

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Speaker 1: This wasn't the plan. And and and this is a

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Speaker 1: Right now, I caught a flight into Ontario, a very

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Speaker 1: but this wasn't like this was a much more growing

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Speaker 1: graduate schools a lot harder than undergrad It's a lot

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Speaker 1: was definitely a cultural difference. I wouldn't say shock, but

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Speaker 1: it was definitely a difference. A quick thought on HBCUs.

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Speaker 1: forwarding and skipping to you know, dreams of the league,

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00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 1: and so that's their goal from the start, and then

431
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: they don't even really care or care to know about

432
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: college basketball in the history. So there's a little bit

433
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: of a disconnect. But with all these new leagues now

434
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: over time, elite um, there's been the g League ignite

435
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: um you know there, which gives elite level high school

436
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 1: basketball players an opportunity to earn six figures a year

437
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: playing basketball. I wanted to get your ticket somebody who

438
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,239
Speaker 1: has multiple degrees and been through all every you know,

439
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: part of the college experience possible except I guess you

440
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: almost finished the doctor too, but you're pretty much you've

441
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: been pretty much done at all. BO. Do you think

442
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: it's important for these guys to go to college for

443
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: a year to get that experience of college, to socialize,

444
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, that socialization of college or whatever we want

445
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: to call it. You think it's important for these basketball

446
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: players to do that or do they need to go

447
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: short of this tennis and golf individualized sport route where

448
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: we're pros at fifteen and sixteen and that's all we do.

449
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: I think it would be helpful to do that college

450
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: route if they actually like get to be in college, right,

451
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: like it really feels like you're in college, then they should.

452
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: If it's just like just to do it, just to

453
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: say it, I think the real value and that honestly

454
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: is an incubation, just the idea that eighteen is wild

455
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: young and the mature, Like it's probably a good idea

456
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: to do just do a little growing up, you know,

457
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: like like it's it's it's helpful. Like I look at

458
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: like two examples that jump to mind, and Michael Beasley

459
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: into Marcus Cousins, where they could have just stood to

460
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: do a little growing up before they got out there,

461
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: you know. And Michael Beasley who was begging to stay

462
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: in school. He was doing interviews like why do I

463
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: have to go do all this stuff? Like I if

464
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: you don't have any money, a hundred thousand dollars, two

465
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: h thousand dollars, whatever it is, it's a lot of

466
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: money if you don't have any money. But for a

467
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: lot of these guys that were talking about in the end,

468
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: that money ain't gonna behind up being nothing to them,

469
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: And I think that the value of taking a little

470
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: time and growing up and not rushing all this stuff,

471
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: in the end, it's probably worth more than a couple

472
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. However, I recognize it as easy for

473
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: me to say that as a person with a couple

474
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, right, Like, I don't want to pretend

475
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: as though I don't recognize as a measure of privilege

476
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: in the statement. But I think for like developing and

477
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: becoming a happier person, because in the end, happy is

478
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: we'll be going for right and happy. Happy is a

479
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: hard thing to find. And I don't think being a

480
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: professional basketball player fifteen years old is gonna make you happy.

481
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: I just don't think so. The last thing on on

482
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Speaker 1: on College and these guys skipping, I mean, there was

483
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: you know, Kwamie Brown has been kind of he started

484
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: off hot. It's kind of, you know, got locked into

485
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: something now that he's doing on YouTube, which you know,

486
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't really have an opinion about. What are your

487
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: thoughts when you see this type of situation unfolded in

488
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: front of everybody, and you're we're kind of outsiders watching

489
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: you watch somebody kind of just go on and on

490
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: about being picked on and you know, just I just

491
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts some media, somebody that's in

492
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: the media on how you view just the whole Kwamie

493
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: Brown situation. Well, hey, I'll be careful, man. He finds everything. Uh,

494
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: and that dude is the troll of all trolls. Bro.

495
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's crazy that he Yeah, he finds everything. Um.

496
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: You know the thing with him, and I think I

497
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: do think one point that he makes that is important

498
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: is that we don't know him, right, And so I tried.

499
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: I want to be careful as I can a psycho

500
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: analysis and somebody like him, because it's fair. I don't

501
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: really know the dude. But what I do know is

502
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: we were really hard on him just because he was

503
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. Like that's honestly

504
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: his sin. If he were the number six pick in

505
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: the draft, we wouldn't have had none of that stuff

506
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: to say. And if you go back and look at

507
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: that draft, with the exception being maybe Tyson Chandler, who

508
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: ever went number one in that draft, we were going

509
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: to ridicule forever. It was not a good draft. It did,

510
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: and even Tyson, when you think about it. You know,

511
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: you being in California, you remember what the legend of

512
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler was when he was in high school. If

513
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: he had been the number one pick and gone and

514
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: played with Mike, we had just spent all our time

515
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: talking about how Tyson Chandler came school, it wouldn't have

516
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: mattered how good. And it took him a while to

517
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: get it together too. We gotta remember that part. Like

518
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: he didn't just walk in and shut down the lane.

519
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: Like even like healthy Greg Oden before he got hurt

520
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: as a young player, was more impactful than Tyson Chandler. Right,

521
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: We would have killed Tyson Chandler if he wound up

522
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: in that same situation. And so then for all these

523
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: years that come after the fact, Kwamie Brown's name is

524
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: listed as all time draft bus data DA and all

525
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: of this stuff, I would understand if somebody just got

526
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: tired of that, you know. And I think that's one

527
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: thing working in the media that I don't think that

528
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: people we don't give enough credence to about the people

529
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: that we covered, which is we don't have people in

530
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: our faces asking us these questions all the time. We

531
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: don't have people like we we are not. Most of

532
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: us are not as good at our jobs as the

533
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: people we cover are at their jobs, and nobody ridicules

534
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: us in the ways that these guys deal with it.

535
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: And who knows what else goes on in their lives

536
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: and everything else, you know. So when I see a

537
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: cat like him, I'm like, yeah, I can see how

538
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: this happens, you know. Now he is a fascinating combination

539
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: of a whole bunch of stuff that's going on. Like

540
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: I actually think it's really interested. Um, I haven't gonna

541
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: checked him out in a while, but it's it's a

542
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot going on over there. Yeah, very interesting.

543
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: He's still on the trades and coding for the for

544
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: the youth. I mean, that's been kind of his thing,

545
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: his theme, you know, regardless of whatever mud he's thrown

546
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: or you know, stuff he's talked, he's always trying to,

547
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, stay true to that. I guess we'll see

548
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, what happens out of that. But

549
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: but talking more about like today's athlete, right when you

550
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: look at Kevin Love and and and Simone bios and

551
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: and Naomial Sokka, three athletes that have been really outspoken

552
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and open about mental health challenges. Now. When I was

553
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: coming up, both, you know, you couldn't really be talking

554
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: about that publicly people. You know, that was back in

555
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: the day where you would get ostracized, bagged on, and

556
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: you know people you know, you get a stigma about you.

557
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: But so you would have to suffer and hold things

558
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: in and kind of, you know, just sort of cope

559
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: on your own. With you With more athletes coming out now,

560
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion on how young do

561
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: you think it's important to start providing mental health resources

562
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: to athletes? How young of an age do you think

563
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: we should start addressing situations in athletes. I'll be honest

564
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: with you. Um, when I was twelve thirteen, somewhere in there, um,

565
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: my mother suggested that I go see a therapist. And

566
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was like in some supremely depressed

567
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: place or anything like that. And I think a lot

568
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: of it was just the function of like being that age.

569
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: But I was also like I was in a unique

570
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: sort of circumstance because I had skipped a grade and

571
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: then my birthday is in late August, so like the

572
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: people I like, the people in my grade in some

573
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: cases are literally two years older than me, you know,

574
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: and so they growing I'm not you know, all these

575
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: different things that are going on, and it was just

576
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: my I was living a life that was unique relative

577
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: to my peers and not really something where I had

578
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: people I could relate to or even really a circumstance

579
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways that like my parents could

580
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 1: relate to or anything, you know, um, and so the

581
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: uniqueness of that situation, you know, mom thought was a

582
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: good idea and it's one of the best things that

583
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: ever happened, right, It's one of the best things for me,

584
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: And like I felt down the line, like left me

585
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: grounded with a certain confidence and the ability to kind

586
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: of be forgiving of myself when I make mistakes and

587
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: the likes and you know, all those kinds of things.

588
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: And so if I think it was a good idea

589
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: for me at that age because my situation was particularly unique,

590
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: we talked about people whose situations are probably more unique

591
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: than mine where and mind didn't come with any pressures

592
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: you know that would coming with this, you know, because

593
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: the big level of this also what a lot of

594
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: these kids, you know and these athletics, is they know

595
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: it man, their parents trying to get this money too,

596
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, like this could like I don't obviously. For example,

597
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: I think I was in this book only the Strong

598
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: survived of bio of iruson and made the point that

599
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: his mama thought the guy said out and orison into

600
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: her life to save her from poverty. Can you imagine

601
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: the pressure that comes from somebody you know, thinking that

602
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: and the other people like that? Yeah, like people people

603
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: that probably folks probably go like see their cars and

604
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: look at their parents cars, look at their parents houses

605
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: and think, oh, y'all living good, and their parents still

606
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: looking at you like okay, but we could be living great,

607
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, like imagine like you know, so imagine all

608
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: that stuff. And so I really think, honestly, for just

609
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: about anybody, but especially for them, this is something you

610
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: need to start learning how to deal with early as

611
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 1: you're doing it, as opposed to like somebody like Osaka

612
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: who suddenly got a lot more famous than I think

613
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: she ever thought was going to be possible, and fame,

614
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: by the way, the most overrated thing in the world.

615
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: And now you're in it, and now so many people

616
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: to tie to you and everything else, and you're trying

617
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: to figure out how to deal with it like all

618
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: at the same time with folks. No, you should probably

619
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: get started on this like most people should as soon

620
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah, and don't wait until there's you know,

621
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: an inciting incident or something like that. Kind of be

622
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: proactive much like you bo. I started seeing the therapist

623
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: when I was twelve and thirteen years old. I had

624
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: a younger brother that drowned in the pool accident. Man.

625
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: I needed I needed some coping mechanisms. I was in

626
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: a bad place, depressed, I was low, and I do

627
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: think it was life changing. The ability to talk to

628
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: somebody about what you're going through that doesn't judge you.

629
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most important things that

630
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: we have today because a lot of times, as people

631
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: man anybody right, we don't want to communicate, we don't

632
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: want to talk about stuff, get stuff off our chest.

633
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: So that's what it served for me. And and even

634
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: in college both um, you know, I had situation where

635
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: I got suspended for you know, undisclosed reasons, but you know,

636
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: everybody kind of knew what it was. I had to

637
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: go through, you know, uh, alcoholics anonymous. I had to

638
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: do see a counselor three times a week. A guy

639
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: by the name of Dr William Parrhand, who, by the way,

640
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: is the head of the NBA Players Association Sports Psychiatric

641
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: part right now. But so I had to do that, man,

642
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I tell you what. That it changed my life. It

643
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: changed the trajectory of my basketball career and my life. Man.

644
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: When you when you get equipped with you know, some

645
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: ways to cope. Brother, that stuff is you know, that

646
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: stuff is lifelong and it's lasting, you know what I'm saying.

647
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: And you were Marcus Johnson's son, like you know, and

648
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: like that's the thing. And I think that's something I

649
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: imagine like some of these athletes, they like, I'm somebody's son.

650
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: It wouldn't mean nothing to most of the people who

651
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: would listen them in the world that I trafficked in.

652
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I was somebody's son. That's a pressure that a lot

653
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: of people have in their lives. By the way, sometimes

654
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Sometimes that's a bad thing. But

655
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, right, but like you know, but like, but

656
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: these are just the pressures of being a regular person. Right.

657
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: We go get our bodies checked out like once a year.

658
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, we all can stand a little maintenance. I

659
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: think the problem the stigma, which I think is largely

660
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: gone at this point. But I think that the idea

661
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: of the stigma comes from the error that people make,

662
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: which is you need to go look into those things

663
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: because you've got something wrong. Na, na, no, no, no,

664
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: These are little things, right, These are tune up. This

665
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: is tune up type stuff. Right. We're not talking about

666
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: getting you a kid, right, We're not talking about rebuilding

667
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: the engine block buying large for most people. We're just

668
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: talking about some little tweaks. Because those little tweaks they

669
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: get out of control, they get out of and now

670
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: you can ye now, yeah, exactly both. Do you ever

671
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: think that cannabis in the NBA or in professional sports

672
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: will be an accepted way to address like just a

673
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: widely universally accepted way to address different elements mental anxiety

674
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: or whatever or whatever. Do you think it will ever

675
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: be that way or there always be sort of that

676
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: cheachen chung stigma associated with athletes and cannada smoking cannabis. Now,

677
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: I think it's widely accepted now, they just don't want

678
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Like. The thing that people always

679
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: have to remember with weed in the NBA is that

680
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: they did not prohibit it until nineteen nine, Right, like

681
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: this was during that lockout, the ultimate culture lockout. Right,

682
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: we got we gotta shut down this buddy, We gotta

683
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: get these dudes in a lot. They are out here

684
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: wildly right, So just to get a little bit of

685
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: that control back, they put in the Marriwater prohibition. But

686
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: again nineteen nobody really cared about this before that happened.

687
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: And so what I think happened with legalization. I remember

688
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: when they legalized in Colorado. UM I used to read

689
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: a section of the paper up there. They had a

690
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: section called the Cannabis where they were just talking about

691
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: all the things that he changed. It was really interesting

692
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: stuff like just you know, like like of course they

693
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: had like reviews of food type stuff, reviews of strains

694
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: and everything, but it was also just a lot of

695
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: like business type stuff. And so the local symphony was

696
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: having Cannabis Night. But it makes sense. You're gonna get

697
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: really high and then you go to a concerts good time.

698
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: But those are the people who were going there. And

699
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: so what I think happened is as these more for

700
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, like sophisticated types started engaging

701
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: these things and presented these sorts of activities and started

702
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: using words like cannabis and everything to kind of move

703
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: away from, you know, the previous connotations of the way

704
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: that people talked about this stuff. I just don't think

705
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: that's something that anybody really cares about anymore. Like if

706
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: you get caught, like some got caught on a possession charge,

707
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't think like the way we still have people

708
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: telling jokes about James Winston and the crab legs, that's

709
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: any really gonna happened with you if you get cast

710
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: smoking weed At this point, you know what I think

711
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: about the New York City has said it's the wildest

712
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: thing now walking through New York. You can smoke weed

713
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: in New York Now any place you can smoke a

714
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: cigarette word any place. Nobody's like trip nothing the wall,

715
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: that's the wall. That's what I'm saying. Like the days

716
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: of ducking off in the alley has passed. I was

717
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: walking down the street on Sunday. I saw four girls

718
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: in the brunch clothes just standing on the corner placing

719
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: a blunt, and I'm like, I know what that used

720
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: to look like. It used to look like, let's go

721
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: take a walk. And then they're over there in the

722
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: circle and somebody like heck, keep popping up like that.

723
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Ain't was going on anymore, you know, And so once

724
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: once in the bubble, I thought it was a very

725
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: self aware thing of Adam Silver to look at the

726
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: bubble and be like all right, yeah, like right, like

727
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: like y'all because because I feel very confident to that

728
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: somebody in the process was like so uh me and

729
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: the fellas was talking, and uh I just think that,

730
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, given the circumstances in the situations, and you know,

731
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: you say you care about how we feel, it would

732
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: be really helpful for us, you know what I'm saying

733
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: if we could just you know, you know, you know,

734
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: like like come allay, they'll do it like that, you

735
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: know for sure? What do you what do you think

736
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: about the job though that Adam Silver has done Since

737
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: taking over as Commissioner of the NBA, He's had you know,

738
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: a little tumultuous kind of uh well issues to deal with.

739
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: So what do you think? I think that overall he

740
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: has done a good job. I think that being the

741
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Commissioner of the NBA is a difficult job, and I

742
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: think succeeding David Stern is a lot to ask um

743
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: out of any um. I think that he's got a

744
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: league that is probably about maxed out on how much

745
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: money it can make domestically, which means that it is

746
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: look to make this money in other countries that have

747
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: lots of people, and that then also means that they

748
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: also have some questionable governments. One could say, as you

749
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: try to figure and balance, you know, those sorts of

750
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: things out. But one thing I do think about the

751
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: NBA at this point, even with the Black Lives Matter

752
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: stuff and how it win the bubble and everything else,

753
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: I feel like when discussing the n B a race

754
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: is less at the forefront then it has ever been

755
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: in the times that we talked about it. Like we

756
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: don't have discussions now about how the league is too black,

757
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: which discussions all the way through the twentieth century, right

758
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: like they have kind of gotten the league past that point.

759
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: I was opposed to the dress code and everything else

760
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: when they did that stuff, but I do have to

761
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: say it's kind of effective, Like we had reached a

762
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: point with the public really disliked NBA players. Now they

763
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: don't write like, do I think it's silly that something

764
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: like that would help bring about that change? Yes? Can

765
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I deny that it happened. No, I can't like, you

766
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: know these things, you know, these things have gone down,

767
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: and so they got a league where I think people

768
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: generally like the players. And I think, though, what he's

769
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: going to have to do is figure out how to

770
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: get people back to caring about the basketball. And I

771
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: think that people care less about the actual basketball than

772
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: they have before. And so the social media arguments people

773
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: enjoy having and they're kind of cool to do. But

774
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: the basketball, and I think they probably do for some

775
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: rules changes to encourage attacking the basket more and get

776
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: away from all these three point shooting and everything. But

777
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I still love the NBA, and I think someone is

778
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: a good dude has done a good job. I agree.

779
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: I love where the NBA is. I'm not one of

780
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: these dudes that salty about you know, the rules and

781
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: how these guys have it easier. I do acknowledge that

782
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: they definitely have some advantages and they have love in

783
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: this league that I would have never thought i'd seen

784
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I never thought i'd seen somebody making

785
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: fifty million, you know for the contract, you know these deals.

786
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: He's forty eight. I've seen the forty eight, and I'm

787
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: like godly. But but all that to be said, Um,

788
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: obviously on the highest levels the NBA is is we focus.

789
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: It seems like we focus, Like you just said, it's

790
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: not about the basketball, it's about sort of the soap opera,

791
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: sort of the drama. Which kind of brings me to

792
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: this point about Rich Paul. Do you do you feel

793
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: like like this Lebron Rich Paul situation, you feel like

794
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: that's too much power for Lebron to have because he's

795
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: able to kind of influence a lot due to his

796
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: relationship with Rich, right, yeah, I mean or not really. Yeah,

797
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: but the discussions of them are so tricky, just because

798
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: it was all the whispers that always exist about how

799
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: exactly this came to be. Okay, this is my thing

800
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: about Rich as it relates to Lebron. If David Falk

801
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: represented Lebron and David Falk had a bunch of David

802
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: Falk clients on the Lakers, we would just be like,

803
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: you do what you want when your popp it. That's

804
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: what that that that that would be the way we

805
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: talked about it. Now. I also get to feel like,

806
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know this completely, but I get the

807
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: feeling that Rich Paul is willing to represents the dudes

808
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: that David falk would even give his phone number two,

809
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: right like like like Mark Keith Morris, David Fonk has

810
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: no time from Mark Keith Morris's phone calls, right Like,

811
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: that's I think one of the most interesting things there.

812
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: Rich Paul has a client base that allows him to

813
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: bring role players onto the Lakers, Right, he still got

814
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: those guys. Um, But yeah, if somebody else, nobody would

815
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: really have like a giant issue with what it is.

816
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: They're just a lot of people that feel like Rich

817
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: Paul is not supposed to be in the position there.

818
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Rich Paul is it hard? Stop? That's what it is.

819
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: And what it comes down to to me with agency

820
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: is that ain't a job you learn how to do

821
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: in school. You got game or you don't, right, like

822
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: people who understand leverage. That's a real innate sort of thing.

823
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: Like I could eat up on all that stuff. I

824
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: got degrees in economics, I know all the game theory,

825
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: I know all of that. But when it comes to

826
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: the stomach the gun, you know, because Rich Paul will

827
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: stare you down. We've seen that happen with a lot

828
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: of contracts, right, Like, it's not like people just bow

829
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: and capitulate to whatever Rich Paul wants. Remember how Lord

830
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: Tristan Thompson had to wait on that money. How long

831
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: are you lets so had to wait on that money,

832
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. The dude's actually just good at

833
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: his job. And so again I don't think he has

834
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: any more power. David Falk had more power to Rich Paul.

835
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: When David falks out here representing Michael Jordan and Patrick

836
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: Ewing and we can go, you know, up and down

837
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: the list of all the guys that he had, plus

838
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: all the college coaches who are walking their guys up.

839
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: That was a dude that had some real power, right

840
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: Rich Paul is I think just really just a really

841
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: interesting story. Yeah, fascinating story. Who who do you think

842
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the face of the NBA when the

843
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Lebron retires if he can get his team anywhere in

844
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs, My guests is a Luca people want it man.

845
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: And he is a fascinating case to me in terms

846
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: of the way that like he is received, because you

847
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong here, but I can't think

848
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: of a white dude who immediately shook off skepticism from

849
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: the African American voting block as quickly as Luca Dodgad

850
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: you think Larry Bird could we say Bird was so

851
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: positioned against magic that you have some haters, right, they

852
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: just that just they like like they don't they don't

853
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: want to admit it now, like they stopped right Like

854
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: it's like how suddenly every white person you do love

855
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: Bahammad Ali. You're like, yeah, that's not possible too. Then

856
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: they just had to come back around to be like,

857
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: nah man, Larry Bird was. I think what happened was

858
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: you got more access to black players of the day

859
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: being like no man, he was in and then it

860
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: was just like right now, we gotta come around. And

861
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: so with Luca, he's fun um for NBA purposes. He's

862
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: white and you know that matters, man, Whether people want

863
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: to acknowledge it or not, that matters um. And he's

864
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: really really really good, Like if they can take it anywhere,

865
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: he'll be that guy because he's so much fun to

866
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: watch when he's rolling, Like you're not gonna like Tim

867
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Duncan was never gonna be the face of the NBA

868
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: because that this wasn't no fun to watch. Luca is

869
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: a party when it comes down to play his game, man,

870
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: his game. But you know what, you know what I

871
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: want to ask you about this as somebody who again

872
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: played in a different time than now, what Luca kind

873
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: of has that I think has been lost a little

874
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: bit over time in terms of like now the game

875
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: is more spaced, it's more open, you know, it's more

876
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: up and down. It's more about those shots. But a

877
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: big part of the charm of basketball. It's like a

878
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: dude like, mellow, m you are trying to guard me.

879
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm right here, I got the ball in triple threat.

880
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Nobody never been better that I've ever seen that, Like

881
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: waiting to decide when to dribble the mellow, you know

882
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. But just that he a game, you

883
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like like it's a it's a

884
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: it's I can't explain it any other way, Like when

885
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: you watch like Kevin mchhale, will never be able to

886
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: explain to these young dudes how cold Kevin McHale was.

887
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: But Kevin maal right, but the game that he had,

888
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: this game, the current NBA that that that style, there's

889
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: no room for it, but there's an artistry to it

890
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: right up and under this stuff like that like there's

891
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: a charm to that kind of stuff, and you don't

892
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: see a lot of guys that have that kind of

893
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: game and Luca kind of does, right, Like obviously I

894
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: mentioned a lot of post players, but I think you

895
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: understand what I mean, Like just kind of going on

896
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: one little stuff right, Well, he hasn't impeccable footwork, He

897
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: has impeccable footwork, and then the handle and just he's

898
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: got big shot making, just huge canes. Man, he will

899
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: take the big shot, he don't care, and he will

900
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: also knock down that shot off a crazy ass move.

901
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things to watch is daunch

902
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: it when he's in his freaking bag. Man. One more

903
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: thing on the NBA, as I do with everybody that

904
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: we interview, Man, I just wanted to get maybe you know,

905
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: your most just memorable story about Kobe Bryant, my Kobe story,

906
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: and see it was it was an interesting thing for

907
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: me when Kobe died because I was not a fan, right,

908
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: and so you know, you're in this thing and you

909
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: don't never want to seem like the fake dude out here, right,

910
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, how do you do this?

911
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: And I realized about Kobe, that I grew up with

912
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant in a way I hadn't thought about, like

913
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: Kobe graduating from high school the year before I did.

914
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: So I have been aware of Kobe Bryant at some

915
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: form of fashion my whole life. And I always said

916
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: that I realized, like after this went that I was

917
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: eighteen years old looking at twenty year old Kobe Bryant

918
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: and evaluating him like he should have been so fully

919
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: for himed adult, because my stupid eighteen year old ass

920
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: thought that I was some kind of fully formed adult,

921
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: right like you know. And so then it's time went on,

922
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: Like I looked back at some of it and it

923
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: was just like, oh ya, I was hating right right,

924
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: Like I just that that was I was. I was,

925
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: I was, I was hating. It was a thing. But

926
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: what I'll always remember is in two thousand five, that's

927
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: when I really kind of started getting into the sports

928
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: writing thing. And one thing about ESPN is it ain't

929
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: a place to learn how to do the job. That's

930
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: just not what the place is built for. It's already

931
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: at the top. You're running, you know what I mean.

932
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: And they wanted me to go cover It was a

933
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: charity game in Houston after Hurricane Katrium. I had never

934
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: covered anything before in my life. I had no idea

935
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do. And now I'm dropped

936
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: off in a locker room at a charity game. And

937
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: you have to understand, it's one thing to get dropped

938
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: off in a locker room. And it's like a star

939
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: player and then just the dudes that are on the team,

940
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: not for the charity game after Katrina that's being broadcast

941
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 1: on T and T. It's like being at the whole

942
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: star game, right, and it's not just the all star players,

943
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: it's like the all star media guys. Dude, I'm terrified.

944
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm legitimately terrified. I have no idea what I'm supposed

945
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: to do. I'm obviously shook. I'm standing in the corner room.

946
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a type of person who's inclined to go

947
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: make conversations with strangers, not understanding that's the whole job.

948
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: And these guys expect you to come up here and

949
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: do it because I've never been in that space, and

950
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure and I look over and I see Kobe

951
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: sitting there, and I don't think he asked me to

952
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: come over there. But I walked over to go talk

953
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: to Kobe Bryant, and he obviously saw I shook. I

954
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: was right, like, you clearly understood how scared I was,

955
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like the youngest dude in the room buying large.

956
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: He was really really nice and like delicate and courty

957
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: is towards me in that circumstance. Yeah, I really really was.

958
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: And again this is two thousand five, so nobody knows

959
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: any like I'm know who am I? You know what

960
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like, and I remember answered my questions he

961
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: says the things I didn't know. I don't know how

962
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: to ask questions. I know how to do anything. And

963
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: he really kind of like walked me through it that

964
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: he didn't tell me how to do it, but it

965
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: was just real cool about it, you know, Like I

966
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: was like, I always remember that in that way because

967
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: it was completely counter to anything I would have thought

968
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: about him before I got in there, and honestly, maybe

969
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: even counter to a lot of things I might have

970
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: thought about him after I got out. But I will

971
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: never forget that in that moment because I think I

972
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: realized better now how young I was then I understood

973
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: at the time, and like that was a real cool

974
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: thing for you to do. Man. Man, No, man, I

975
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: had That's that's a great story. I had a couple

976
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: of interactions with Kobe, might kind of lationship with him

977
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: was kind of up and down. Uh, And I like

978
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: to tell the story just to give people an idea.

979
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't just a hater, but you have to understand

980
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: how we felt. Uh. I had just wanted We had

981
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: just won a national championship. And you see it, like, man,

982
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: I think it's like summer or nineties or the next

983
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: summer or something. But Kobe shows up as a seven

984
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: two year old rookie to the gym. So he comes in. Man,

985
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: everybody kind of looks. We see the you know, tall

986
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: six six, you know, just good looking young man, just

987
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: young youth. He gets on the court, starts turning it out. Man.

988
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: He's dunking on folks, pinning people, goldending everything, just doing

989
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. And so we're just like, dude, what's up

990
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: with this dude? So ultimately eventually we get into like,

991
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, a little thing, a little fight. He's you know,

992
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: he I think he tipped jammed on me and they

993
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: kind of looked back at me, and I was kind

994
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: of like, hey man, you know after you man, don't

995
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: be looking at me like that. And as I'm going

996
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: to to to go get him, you know, because I'm

997
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: running at I'm piste off this young man. This young

998
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: But that's back in the day. When a young fellow

999
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: show you up, you know you gotta get it go.

1000
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: That's back in those days. As I run into ad Kobe,

1001
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I see Magic Johnson enters my

1002
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: vision and he's like, Chris, come out, Chris, No, that's

1003
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: my chill out. So I like running the Magic kind

1004
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: of like Kobe. Kobe is like behind Magic under scared

1005
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: of you, Chris, like it was a crazy seed. So

1006
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: let's fast. So that happened, and you know, I didn't

1007
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: see Kobe for like another two years. That's fast. I

1008
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: think I was a sophomore at the time. Fast forward

1009
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: to my senior year. I'm playing in Magic Johnson's Midsummer

1010
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: Night's Classic, which is this big celebrity game that he

1011
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: invites a bunch of pro so he invited us U

1012
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: c l A seniors to play in the game. I

1013
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: get to the arena, find out, man, Kobe's my dog

1014
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: on Coach Bro, He's my coach of the celebrity Game.

1015
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: So I'm already kind of feeling like and this is

1016
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: like Froby and he already busted Sacramento. I mean he's been,

1017
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, winning the dunk contest. You know, he turned

1018
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: it off. So he's like, I had to sort of

1019
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: bow down and kind of have you know, fall in

1020
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: line both but check this out. So, you know, I

1021
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: get on the court, he puts me in the game.

1022
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: You know, I scored like six or eight in a row.

1023
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, we had we had sort

1024
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: of a free throw situation. I'm kind of on the

1025
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: other end. I hear like a whistle, he whistles. He

1026
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: looks at me, He looks at me on the bench.

1027
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: I looked look at him. He's like, we keep shooting,

1028
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: keep shooting. He gave me that like keep shooting encouragement. Confidence.

1029
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: Moving from that moment, man, I was just like, man,

1030
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: I felt like a jerk and an asshole, because, like

1031
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: you said, when you have that sort of intimate moment

1032
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: with the guy, he shows you a part of him

1033
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: that you just didn't expect. Man, I didn't expect him

1034
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: to do that. I thought it was gonna be surly

1035
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: about everything showed me love man, dap me up eventually

1036
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: down the line. You know, I had my feelings about

1037
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: him with Shaq left and all that, but when he

1038
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: when he passed, Bro, it was it was, you know,

1039
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: it was one of the toughest days I had as

1040
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: just an adult. I hate to say that because I

1041
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: have had family and all types of people that have passed,

1042
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: but it was a different sort of tough. It was,

1043
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, both the same thing for me.

1044
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, like I say, I'm not a

1045
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Kobe guy, right, And it was still a thing, right,

1046
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: you know, because look, there were Kobe guys, like they're

1047
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: calling them my podcast, and I was listening to them, right,

1048
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: I Like, I'm not saying that to be like, Yo,

1049
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: I ain't even like that dude. That's the other point

1050
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm making. I'm trying to make sure I understand what

1051
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: he means to some people. I'm not in that space

1052
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: that those people are in. And even still when that happened,

1053
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: and it really was, it was just like, nah, we

1054
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: kind of grew up with this dude because what I

1055
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: feel like happened to him in the last couple of years,

1056
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: and like the story you described points out he had

1057
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: to learn this people thing right and see, and I

1058
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: could really I could personally relate to that because like

1059
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: I have older parents and I went to school twenty

1060
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: some miles away from where I lived. I spent most

1061
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: of my childhood interacting with adults, and like on college

1062
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: campuses with my parents. I did not know much about

1063
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: interacting with people who were my own age. Like when

1064
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: I got to college, Oh boy, I was I just

1065
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: didn't know how to do it, right. I'm trying to

1066
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: figure it out, and I really just simply didn't know

1067
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: how to do it. And when you think about Kobe's

1068
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: upbringing and you know where he'd wind up in the

1069
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: places he's in or whatever. And I was a dude

1070
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: that had to learn how to hang out with his peers.

1071
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Except he didn't he have any peers. He's Kobe Bryant,

1072
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: and so he just here, I have come to destroy, right,

1073
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: like I have come to destroy, And now he destroyed everybody.

1074
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: And he's probably like, yo, what's the big deal? Why

1075
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: these guys bad? And like bad bad, you know, and

1076
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: I could have badge you Kobe sitting there with him,

1077
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: but like like like with a five year old hit

1078
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: you back with the simplest questions because like you know,

1079
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: you try to hit him with something that don't really

1080
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: make no sense, and they just can't. They can't grasp

1081
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: the nuance of what you're talking about. Like that's what

1082
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: I could imagine. And so that's what I really thought.

1083
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: As he got farther along with him. It's just it

1084
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: sounds like he just got a bit better at interacting

1085
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: with people. Yeah, he did. And then you know how

1086
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: he ended everything. You know, it's kind of being a

1087
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: sort of the role model or stepping up for the

1088
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: women's game. I think that part of it, and then

1089
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: the girl dad aspect. Man, So you know it was

1090
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: it's been tough, but I thank you for sharing, uh

1091
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: that story, man, because I try to get everybody's take

1092
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: on somebody that meant a lot to a lot of people. Brother,

1093
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: um Bo, Man, it's been a real one. It's it's

1094
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: about an hour in man, I think, uh, we can

1095
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: shut it down here. Man. I appreciate you're giving us

1096
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: your time, brother, being open with us talking about what

1097
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: we did. My man, and uh, and I hope we

1098
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: can do this again. Sometimes all good. We gotta catch up.

1099
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: You realized it's been ten years since we was hanging

1100
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: in New York that time. How did ten years like

1101
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: run away that fast? I'll talk about fast too, but

1102
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: I look up. Man, it's like what No, Man, that

1103
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: was a memorable night, man, But we got to do

1104
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: it again at some point both. Yeah. Man, let me

1105
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: know how I let you next time. I make it

1106
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: out to l A. If the world's don't catch on

1107
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: fire man, please do I got you. I gott to

1108
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: appreciate it, alright. But Monty Jones on kJ Live