1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show. Well, we 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: explore the big money issues the world of sports. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm Michael Barne, I'm Scarlet Food, and I'm Damian Sassar. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: We got a big name guest in studio with us 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: today and just in time to talk with us about 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: one of the biggest NFL trades. I'll give you a hint. 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: His initials are c P. No no, no, no no. His 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: first name is Carson, no no, no, no no. His last 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: name is Palmer. There we go. His last name is Palmer. 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Now you got to guess that's right. MB. 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 3: We got to get CP's take on what seems like 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: the most long awaited trade ever, the Green Bay Packers 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 3: and York Jets agreeing to this one transaction which sends 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: a certain multi time NFL MVP. It's re Bowl winning 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: quarterback to Gang Green Aaron Rodgers. Of course, Rogers in trouble. 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: It's gonna get there. 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 4: They turned thirty two yesterday. 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Does he have a vintage moment in the inside. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: He doesn't really have to go very far in terms 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: of changing his colors. 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: Right. 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: It's not very often when one of the greatest quarterbacks 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: to ever play the game gets to go to the 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: greatest fan base in the National Football My goodness. After 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: the deal, Packer GM Brian gudahkunt spoke to media and 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: talked about what it's like moving on from the future 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: New York Jet Hall of Famer. 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 4: I know this, you know, he'll you know, he'll always 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 4: be a Packer, you know what I mean. And he's uh, 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: he'll want to be one of the best that ever 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 4: have done it around here. And I have a lot 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: of respect how he went about it. And you know 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: he'll be missed. I mean, there's no doubt about it. 34 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: I mean, players like that don't come around very often. 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: But at the same time, we're really excited where we're 36 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: headed and what we're moving to do and and and 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 4: wish him nothing but the best. 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: That was the GM of the Green Bay Packers, Brian 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: Gudakuntz reacting to the trade of Aaron Rodgers to the 40 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: New York Shots. 41 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: And to take us through that deal and what it 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: might mean to both franchises, plus give us some insight 43 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: on some of the other big money quarterback deals and 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: how the upcoming NFL season is shaping up. We welcome, oh, 45 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: my good God, number former he was the former number 46 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: one overall pick and the Pro Bowl QB Carson Palmer 47 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: to the Bloomberg Business of Sports. Carson is also an 48 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: ambassador with Level Select, a wellness company. I can just 49 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: go on you know. 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: He how many Fantasy championships, Michael as he won. 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: Actually did win two and it went one when you 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: were with the Cincinnati Bengals and one when you were 53 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 5: Cardinals, and I well, congratulations and thank you because propelled 55 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 5: me to helping you earn that champion doing it. 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: He is the first time we've. 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 5: Met, but I knew I could since you needed touchdown passes. 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: I was. 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 5: And I felt that. 60 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: So you're welcome. Man. I'm so glad you were here. 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: And I want to start first of all with something 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: that you have, a product. I want to start with 63 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: that before we get all in the career and stuff. 64 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: And you talk about a guy that needed some help 65 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: with some pain you you had, you had to have this. 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: I wish this was back around back in the day 67 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: when you were playing. 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 5: Telling me both no and I still am dealing with 69 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 5: pain and just issues from surgeries and back issues and 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 5: neck issues and just the wear and tear of playing 71 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 5: in the National Football League and playing at a you know, 72 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 5: a big university for for USC and college, so a 73 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 5: lot of just you know, you know, you have a surgery, 74 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: you have you have you know, residual pain for years 75 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 5: and aches and and so level select is something I've 76 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 5: been using, uh for five years now. I love it. 77 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 5: It's been great. It's been a game changer for me. 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 5: I've got kids I'm coaching and playing with and goofing 79 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 5: around and playing catch and soccer and basket you know 80 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 5: you name, and it's something that lets me continue to 81 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 5: be active. It's something that takes that edge off that 82 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 5: pain that's that I consistently have in my knee, in 83 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 5: my back and my neck. And it's really, like I said, 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 5: it's been a game changer for me. 85 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: Well, I agree because with that CBD and I was 86 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: screwing around one day in the house, just you know, 87 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: playing around with my kids, and all of a sudden, 88 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: I took a step and I'm went ooh. And you know, 89 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,119 Speaker 1: of course, my youngest eighteen year old said, what's happening? 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: Old man? All right? 91 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, the zinger the old man. There's no argument, old man. No, 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 5: It's like like I said, it's been a game changer. 93 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 5: You can buy it at CVS, at the pharmacy. Now 94 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 5: you can buy it on Amazon. It's an over the 95 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 5: counter product, so it's completely healthy, it's completely safe, safe, 96 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 5: it's all natural. And like I said, I mean, if 97 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 5: if you still want to be active and keep up 98 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 5: with youngsters and young friends, you know, son in law, 99 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 5: whatever it is, grandkids, if you need a little something 100 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 5: for that ach and for that pain. It it works 101 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 5: magic almost, it feels at times, and I love it 102 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 5: and it's been a big part of my life ever 103 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 5: since I've been done playing. 104 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: So you're an ambassador for Level Select, are you? Do 105 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: you also own equity in it because obviously the big 106 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: thing right now is professional athletes, not just being the 107 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: hired spokesperson, but really being a partner with the brand. 108 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 5: I've partnered with him. A buddy of mine started at 109 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 5: Todd Davis. He came over to my house. He's like, man, 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 5: I've gotten and he was a big part of LifeLock, 111 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 5: so that was, you know, the cybersecurity company, and then 112 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 5: he moved on to the next thing, which was Level Select. 113 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 5: And so he comes over, we're sitting down, I try it. 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 5: I give it to my wife to try it. I 115 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 5: gave it to my mom like, I'm like, what am 116 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 5: I missing here? This is amazing? And I invested and 117 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 5: you know, within sixty days I had I had invested 118 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 5: in the company. I'm a part of the company. Proud 119 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 5: to be a part of the company. It's a great group, 120 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 5: very very smart, very cutting edge product and technology, and 121 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 5: just great to be a part of. 122 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: You know, for our audience, you have to understand Carson 123 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: back in the two thousand and five wild Card game 124 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: versus Pittsburgh, suffered a devastating knee injury, right acl PCLMS. 125 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: I think every CEO in the book you heard there, 126 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: and it led to something called the chemo clause, right, 127 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: which was, you know, you can't hit the fensive quarterbacks, 128 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: you know, below the waist or whatever. Now where we 129 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: are today in the game to the concussions. Is the 130 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: NFL doing enough to protect quarterbacks in today's day and age. 131 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 5: Oh, they're doing more than they ever have before. When 132 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 5: I first got in the league in two thousand and three, 133 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 5: you could have at it with quarterbacks. You could pick 134 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 5: them up, you could body slam them. 135 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: You know. 136 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 5: Back then there was a lot a lot of stams 137 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 5: were playing on turf still, so you're really playing on, 138 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 5: you know, a concrete floor with a little bit of 139 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 5: fuzz on top. And as the game has progressed over 140 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 5: the years with my knee injury, Tom Brady had a 141 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 5: low an injury back in like oh six, oh seven, 142 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 5: somewhere around their same kind of situation hit Low. You 143 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 5: mentioned to the concussions, the things we're seeing. I mean, 144 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 5: they are doing everything they can to protect the quarterback. 145 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 5: I think the quarterbacks never been more protected. I think 146 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 5: the next level would be just taking his pads off 147 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 5: and don't let anybody touch them, and they're not going 148 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 5: to go there. But the game has changed there, you know, 149 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 5: from the receiver position. When I first got in the league, 150 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 5: if you threw a ball late over the middle, he 151 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 5: was that receiver's gonna get his helmet knocked off and 152 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 5: there would be no penalty. Now you can't hit the 153 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 5: defenseless receiver. I just think the league has taken so 154 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 5: many steps to try to make the game as safe 155 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 5: as possible, But at the end of the day, it 156 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 5: is a violent. 157 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Physical game. 158 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 5: Concussions will happen, blown out knees, broken bones, those things, 159 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 5: unfortunately are going to be part of the game, and 160 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 5: in order for them to not be part of the game, 161 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 5: you almost have to make it flag football. 162 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: So with all the protections they have in place now 163 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: for quarterbacks, I mean, is it fair that Jalen Hurts 164 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: is making two hundred and fifty. 165 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Five dollars over five years? Now? 166 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 5: I'm just kidding, It's it's just. 167 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: My I mean, but think about it. I mean, when 168 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 2: you came into the NFL, right, if I'm not missaken 169 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: six years, forty seven million Cincinnati Bengals back in then 170 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: you know, two thousand and three. 171 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: I believe. 172 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: I mean, think about how far the quarterback position has come, 173 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: the importance thereof. And that leads me into obviously, what's 174 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: going on here in New York. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets. 175 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this trade? 176 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 5: Well, it's huge for the Jets, obviously, but it just 177 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 5: it seems to me that it's almost a lateral movement 178 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 5: as far as rosters and concern Aaron, going from that 179 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: Green Bay roster to the New York roster, you can 180 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 5: argue there's a couple better positions, maybe some better players. 181 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 5: It might be a little bit of an upgrade roster wise, 182 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 5: but it's not a drastic upgrade. It's not worth drawing 183 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 5: a line in the sands, and you got to trade 184 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 5: me because you have to get to this team. This 185 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 5: team is so talented. There's so many good, great players 186 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 5: in New York. I don't think that's the case. In fact, 187 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 5: if you were to compare these two rosters and you 188 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 5: were to look at the next best player after Aaron Rodgers, 189 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 5: it's Aaron Jones, the running back in Green Bay. I mean, 190 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 5: he is a game breaking, game changing player. There's some 191 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 5: really good players on this Jets roster, but it is 192 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 5: not a massive upgrade. And he's going to a much 193 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 5: more challenging conference because you got Patrick Mahomes and you 194 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 5: got you know, in your own division, you got Josh Allen, 195 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 5: you got Tua and Miami, and Tua may not be 196 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 5: a Josh Allen, but that Miami a roster is spectacular. 197 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 5: And you look at the old NFC North, you know 198 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 5: that that you know, Green Bay, Detroit's kind of up 199 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 5: and you got Joe and Cincinnati. But I just I 200 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 5: think he's going to a much more challenging conference and 201 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 5: division and at the roster's not that much better. 202 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I admit as a Detroit Lions fan. E that 203 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: much challenge man with the Packers. Man, But we're getting there. 204 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: We're getting it. By the way, full disclosure, if you 205 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: notice any drool on his copy, it's because that's a 206 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: die Jet fan right there. 207 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: All right. 208 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 5: Well, another thing too, Aaron's going to a defensive minded 209 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 5: head coach. Now, it's nice when you're a quarterback and 210 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 5: you get to play for an offensive minded head coach. 211 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 5: Everything is built around the offense. 212 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: For the Carson, I agree with everything you're saying. I mean, 213 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: but you know you went through some some issues back 214 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: with Cincinnati ownership back in the day, right, if I'm 215 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 2: not mistaken. I mean, how hard is it for a 216 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: quarterback to play for its where he just doesn't respect ownership, 217 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: he doesn't like management, they don't get along. I mean 218 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: he was almost forced into retirement as well. So, I mean, 219 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: do you think the Aaron Rodgers that's coming to the 220 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: Jets can be the Aaron Rodgers of old? 221 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's a handful of quarterbacks that when 222 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 5: I watch play, I say, Wow, Aaron Rodgers at the 223 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 5: top of the list. So you've got that kind of 224 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 5: talent organizationally coming in for the Jets. You've got to 225 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 5: be ready to deal with Aaron Rodgers. He is not, 226 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 5: you know, super easy to deal with. Let's be honest. 227 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 5: There is some expectations, there are some things he wants 228 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 5: to weigh in on. He wants a little piece of 229 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 5: the roster, he wants a little piece of what they're 230 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 5: doing in free agency, in the draft, and they weren't 231 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 5: willing to give him that in Green Bay and unfortunately 232 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 5: it didn't work out. The Jets have to be ready 233 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 5: to give him a little bit, give him a little 234 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 5: say in this, give him a little say in that. 235 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 5: And so you have to be ready to take on 236 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 5: that kind of talent to also be ready to take 237 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 5: on that kind of attitude and that kind of ego, 238 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 5: because that ego changes that building, it changes that organization. 239 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: You know. 240 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is often cited as one of the best 241 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 3: mobile quarterbacks, and mobile quarterbacks are really having a moment 242 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: right now compared to pocket passers. What do you think 243 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: is better provides better value in the current NFL environment 244 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: right now? 245 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 5: Great question. It is really challenging to watch your quarterback 246 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 5: get hit. And when you watch Josh Allen and you 247 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 5: watch some of these bigger more physical running quarterbacks take 248 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 5: these hits. Every time he takes off and exposes his body, 249 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 5: he's exposing the organization. And so Aaron really over the 250 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 5: last five or six years, has really slowed down his 251 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 5: outside the pocket game. He is really trying to win 252 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 5: the game and play the game inside the pocket. But 253 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 5: when these quarterbacks get on the run and they go 254 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 5: taken on lineman. I mean, you watch Josh Allen, He's 255 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 5: a great example. He tries to run through linebackers, he 256 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 5: tries to run over defensive lineman and every time he's 257 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 5: doing that, that organization and that team is susceptible to 258 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 5: so maybe not having that quarterback for the rest of 259 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 5: the season, or. 260 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 3: Get very stress watching him run. 261 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: It's hard. 262 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 5: It's hard to do if you were the owner. I 263 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 5: just imagine being the owner, and every time he takes 264 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 5: off to get six yards, was that six yards worth 265 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 5: putting our organization? Exposing our organization? 266 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: And so. 267 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 5: There's so many good young quarterbacks that are fast and 268 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 5: quick and can run. And the older guys like myself, 269 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 5: Tom Brady's, Drew Brees, guys that played the game from 270 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 5: inside the quarterback. Those guys, you know, they're not all 271 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 5: the rage right now, they're not all the excitement. The 272 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 5: excitement is you want the guy that can run. But 273 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, when you look at 274 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 5: the most successful quarterbacks in this league, Drew Brees owns 275 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 5: every passing record, Tom Brady owns every record as far 276 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 5: as wins and championships. Those guys did it inside the pocket. 277 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 5: Those guys did not ever do it outside the pocket. 278 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 5: At the end of the day, when it comes down 279 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 5: to winning the big game, you've got to beat teams 280 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 5: from stepping up in the pocket and delivering the ball 281 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 5: accurately downfield. That's how you win championships. Peyton Man proved it. 282 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 5: Eli did it a couple times. Tom Brady did it 283 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 5: a couple times, more than a couple times. But that's 284 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 5: where the game is still one when it comes down 285 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 5: to it. 286 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: So maybe that's the way into the league to be 287 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 3: one of those mobile quarterbacks and then you evolve into 288 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: a pocket pascer. 289 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 5: You've got to have that in your game. When it 290 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 5: comes down to it, it's third and seven. You've got 291 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 5: to recognize the defense, get your offense in the right 292 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 5: play at the line of scrimmage, and step up in 293 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 5: the pocket and deliver the ball accurately. The team is 294 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 5: paying other people to take off and run with it. 295 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 5: The team is paying the running backs and the receivers 296 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 5: and the skill position players. At the end of the day, 297 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 5: you just the proofs in the pudding. Look at what 298 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 5: Tom Brady did. Look at the amount of championships. He 299 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 5: never did it from outside the pocket. 300 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: I mean, Carson, if you just think about I mean 301 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: this Thursday, the draft, and you look at the five 302 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: four or five quarterbacks that may be taken in the 303 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: first round, all are running quarterbacks, from Anthony Richardson to 304 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: Bryce Young to see just shrowd you name it right. 305 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: So I take your point there, but I think it's 306 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: kind of interesting though, is it is draft? Have Thursday? 307 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: Tell us what these athletes are doing to prepare for draft. 308 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: What did you do back in two thousand and three 309 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: to prepare the draft? 310 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 5: Man? Well, mine was different. I knew I had already 311 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 5: signed a contract with the Bengals prior to the draft, 312 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 5: and so the word was out. I think I signed 313 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 5: it two or three days before the draft. And so 314 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 5: you know, as the number one, as the number one pick, 315 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 5: you're sitting in the green room with everybody else. Normally 316 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 5: you don't know who's going number one. You have an idea, 317 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 5: but they knew. And so Commissioner Paul Tagliaboo comes out 318 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 5: to the stage and he says, with the Cincinnati Bengals, 319 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 5: you know two thousand and three, you were on the clock, 320 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 5: And then he walks away, and everybody in Radio City 321 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: Music Hall was pissed. They're like, no, we already know 322 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 5: you're going to start the clock, and let's let's not 323 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 5: waste fifteen minutes. Let's get to the number two picks. 324 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: So all of a sudden, they're booing Tagliaboo, They're booing 325 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 5: this long. I've already signed the meils done, just announce 326 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 5: it and the second pick, and so everybody inside is 327 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: booing and I walk on the stage. They're still booing. 328 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 5: They're like, man, welcome to the NFL. 329 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: Huh, here's my moment from great questions to stupid questions. 330 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: When you were with USC did you wish there was 331 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: an IL? And I'm sure they answered to be no, man, 332 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: I haven't. I didn't. I don't want the money. In fact, 333 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: i'd pay. They are get today's college athletes, and God 334 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: bless them. Quite frankly, it's like they're getting the money 335 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: that they deserve. 336 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 5: So my senior year in college, no nil deals. I 337 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 5: think I think my stipend check was like three hundred 338 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: and forty six dollars a month. I lived in a 339 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 5: four bedroom absolute dump with eight other dudes in the 340 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 5: football team. We were splitting rooms in the hood. We 341 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: had rats, we had spiders, we were you know, I 342 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 5: think I had a mattress on the ground and we 343 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 5: were scraping by. So absolutely, yes, I wish there was 344 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 5: an an IL deal. But my senior year, you know, 345 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: I had won the Heisman, we had won a bunch 346 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 5: of games. There was ninety thousand people in the stands 347 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 5: every week at the coliseum in downtown LA, and we 348 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 5: were still making three hundred and forty six dollars a month. 349 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 5: So yes, I wish there was an IL. 350 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: Oh Man. 351 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: That's great when you look at this new crop of 352 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: college athletes becoming future professional football players, what is it 353 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: that you would advise them when it comes to thinking 354 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: through their career arc, not just the first team they 355 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: signed with, but kind of planning out their career into 356 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: life after the league. 357 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 5: I just think your team is so important and not 358 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 5: the football team that you're playing. For it's it's the 359 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 5: team of individuals around you as you're building your business 360 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 5: and your brand. So having a great financial advisor one, 361 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 5: because you know, as soon as you as soon as 362 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 5: your name is called on draft day, everybody's got a 363 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 5: new product, the new idea new investment, a new pitch. 364 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 5: And so having having really really strong support financially for 365 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 5: your brand, for your future, having a great you know, 366 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 5: somebody to work on issues and aches and pains, and 367 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 5: having a deep, deep tissue massage therapist, a chiropract I mean, 368 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 5: there's so many, so many things you need around you 369 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 5: at such a young age. You know, you're going from 370 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: like I said, scraping buy in college and maybe maybe 371 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 5: not as much anymore with nil deals, but still you're 372 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 5: going to a new league, a new world. You have 373 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 5: new financial security, and you need the right team around you. 374 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 5: So I just think that's so important. So many guys, 375 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 5: you know, they say, oh, I'm gonna stick with you know, 376 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 5: somebody I grew up with, or you know, family members 377 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 5: that I can trust. That's tough too, because at the 378 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 5: end of the day, when you're talking about you know, 379 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 5: forty fifty sixty eighty million dollar contract that some of 380 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 5: these guys are going to come in. Having the right 381 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 5: team around you to watch that net worth grow, to 382 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 5: protect it, having somebody to send email. You know, your 383 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 5: your buddy from high school sends an email about a 384 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 5: new business he wants to start, and having you know, 385 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 5: people to vet and look at deals and understand why 386 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 5: these don't work and just learn from them. So surrounding 387 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 5: yourself with a great team that also educates you along 388 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 5: the way, because that's something I look back and I 389 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 5: missed out on so much education. When I started investing 390 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 5: right away, I was as I was, you know, a 391 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 5: professional athlete, and having support, having people to lean on, 392 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 5: having people that have been through it and done it before. 393 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 5: And and you know, you're starting all over from a 394 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 5: big lump sum of money, and how you guide that 395 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 5: money and direct that money is a big move. It's 396 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 5: it's it's you know, there's a lot of expectation on you, 397 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 5: and having that support system around you is so important. 398 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: And then you know, at the end of the day, 399 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 5: these guys are twenty years old, twenty one years old. 400 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 5: Think about what we were all doing when we're twenty 401 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 5: twenty one years old. 402 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: One man, Carson Palmer, my goodness, man, what we are 403 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: lucky to have you. Man, thanks to be so much 404 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Bloomberg Business of sports. We 405 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: really do appreciate it. 406 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 5: Man, It's an honor for me. I listen to you 407 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 5: guys in the car every time I'm in the car, 408 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 5: and then I've got Bloomberg on at the office every morning, and. 409 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: We tell Bloomberg reading from Bloomberg Tellision, Bloomberg Radio. I'm 410 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: really curious about that. 411 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: What am I watching? Yeah? 412 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: What are you watching? What are you listening? 413 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: Like? 414 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: I watched close to close? Yeah, all right, So do 415 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: you think the Fed is going to reach US two 416 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: percent inflation target? 417 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 5: This is this is I'm a super fan right now. 418 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 5: I love being around you guys. This is an honor 419 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 5: for me. I think there's one more more twenty five 420 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 5: bit coming and then maybe we hold there for. 421 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: A while we go. But I don't know. 422 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 5: I've been I've been bullish, embarrassed, depending on hearing you 423 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: guys talk. It's changing, it's volatile, It's it's scary out 424 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 5: there right now. But I think the soft landing is 425 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 5: is possible. 426 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: Cars and pop are talking. Blood of interests. 427 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: I learned all from you guys, Michael Barr thirty two 428 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: Black Baby Level Select. Go out and buy it because 429 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: it is a great product. 430 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 5: And I'm coming with a twenty percent discount. If you 431 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 5: promo code Carson twenty, you get twenty percent off everything 432 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 5: in your cart today by love. 433 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: It, buy it now. 434 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: Pain relief is the future. 435 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: Garson Paulwer Thank you, sir, Thank you for having me. 436 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast. I'm Michael Barr, 437 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: along with Scarlet Foo and Damien sas Sour. 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