WEBVTT - Luke Macfarlane of Platonic, Brothers & Sisters, Bros

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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<v Speaker 1>me Tommy di Dario. Today I am joined by a

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<v Speaker 1>man of many, many talents. Luke McFarlane has tackled TV

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<v Speaker 1>and film, Broadway and now the unscripted world. He is

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<v Speaker 1>currently hosting and starring in Hallmark plus his home renovation

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<v Speaker 1>series Home Is Where the Heart Is, which is out

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And yes he is rolling up the sleeves,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes he is getting dirty because he is showcasing

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<v Speaker 1>his very impressive skills in woodwork to help bring some

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<v Speaker 1>magic to some incredible human beings. I love feel good

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<v Speaker 1>shows like this. You guys are in for such a

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<v Speaker 1>treat with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Luke has done fifteen fan favorite Hallmark movies, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool to see him in a totally different role,

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<v Speaker 1>still bringing that same joy to many. You may know

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<v Speaker 1>and love Luke from his role in Brothers and Sisters

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<v Speaker 1>or the Apple series Platonic, which he just finished filming

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<v Speaker 1>season two of. Then there's the movie Bros. Which was

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<v Speaker 1>a big studio rom com featuring a same sex love story,

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<v Speaker 1>which was pretty groundbreaking for the time, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>argue that it still very much is. And Luke added

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway to his resume performing in the very moving play

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<v Speaker 1>The Normal Heart. And this is just naming a few

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<v Speaker 1>of his many many credits. So let's see if today

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<v Speaker 1>we can get Luke to say something that he has

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<v Speaker 1>never said before. Luke, how you doing, my man?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, Tommy, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so happy to see you. A lot has

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<v Speaker 1>changed since I saw you last.

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<v Speaker 2>It is correct, it's been met. When I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>the Bros.

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<v Speaker 1>Press tour yep, yep, on my show Extra and you

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<v Speaker 1>were not a parent, then you're a parent now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's correct. I walked into I will say this,

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<v Speaker 2>when I walked into the theater. You were sitting down

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<v Speaker 2>in the theater and I walked and I turned to

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Eichner and said, like, who is this guy? He's

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<v Speaker 2>very very handsome. Oh god, Billy immediately made a joke

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<v Speaker 2>about that. But it's true. And you look fantastic. You

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<v Speaker 2>look great.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you well likewise, my man. Likewise, I saw your

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<v Speaker 1>promo stills for the new show, and you're clearly staying

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<v Speaker 1>on top of your fitness game. Oh yes, you have

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<v Speaker 1>not let that slip in two years. I haven't you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I did just have a daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>She's going to be two years old soon, and I

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<v Speaker 2>still make time to sort of have a little time

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, to go to the gym. It's a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of what I do. And yeah, even having any kid,

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<v Speaker 2>it just becomes a little bit earlier in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure. But you're carving out the

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<v Speaker 1>time for you, which is great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have lots of cover and obviously we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the show. A lot of people know

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<v Speaker 1>you from the acting world. You know, you're rolling up

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<v Speaker 1>your sleeves or getting dirty in the unscripted world, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk all about that. But to begin, Luke,

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<v Speaker 1>you have such an impressive career. You've done projects that

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<v Speaker 1>are so wonderful and that means so much to so

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<v Speaker 1>many people. So in your perspective, what for you is

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<v Speaker 1>a career high?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, you know, it's always funny to look back

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<v Speaker 2>at your career because you never quite know where it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go. I mean, if you told me that

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<v Speaker 2>would become this amazing home for me, and it has.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done fifteen movies with them, I would be really

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably ask first of all, what is Hallmark And

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<v Speaker 2>now it's become this amazing platform for me to do

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<v Speaker 2>movies and to work on movies and to be a

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<v Speaker 2>romantic lead in these movies. But now it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>place for me to go. Can I executive produce something?

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<v Speaker 2>And I did executive produce the show which is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be Well, which is live now where I get

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<v Speaker 2>to show another part of myself, which is my passion

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<v Speaker 2>for home renovation and woodworking. So career highlight. Trying to

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<v Speaker 2>answer your question, sorry rambling, Gosh, I got to work

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<v Speaker 2>on Broadway. That was huge. You never thought that that

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<v Speaker 2>would happen. I worked an amazing production of The Normal Heart,

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<v Speaker 2>which won a Tony Award almost ten years ago. That

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<v Speaker 2>was amazing, beautiful story. Yeah, gosh, I don't know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been so varied. I worked on a sci fi series

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<v Speaker 2>which I loved. I worked on Brothers and Sisters for

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred episodes with Sally Field and Cliss of Lockhart

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<v Speaker 2>and Rob Lowe and the amazing Matthew. So it's been

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<v Speaker 2>very It's been all over the place. I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I look back on my IMDb page and try

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<v Speaker 2>to remember the plot of some of the movies that

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty cool that you've touched kind of everything, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've done the Broadway, You've now done film,

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<v Speaker 1>you've done TV, you're doing unscripted. Is that something you

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted for yourself? Or you just kinda are a

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<v Speaker 1>yes person and took the opportunities as they came.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love TV from the very beginning. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always loved TV. I think it speaks to my generation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, TV was where my family sat down and

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<v Speaker 2>watched things together, so it always had a sense of

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<v Speaker 2>like togetherness. TV was that for us. Movies were not

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<v Speaker 2>as much part of growing up. It was Mom went

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<v Speaker 2>to Blockbuster and came back with three videos and we

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<v Speaker 2>debated forever, and then she would fall asleep and no

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<v Speaker 2>one would ever watch Jade or some weird psycho sexual

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<v Speaker 2>movie that she always sem to come home with. So

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<v Speaker 2>TV is important, and I actually really love being on

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<v Speaker 2>TV because it also, as an an actor, creates a

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<v Speaker 2>space that you get to return to again and again,

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<v Speaker 2>a group of people that you see every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>Movies aren't as much like that. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>What a perspective, And you strike me as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>likes to form relationships and nurture those bonds. So I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>you do that more in television.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You get to know the carpenters, you get to

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<v Speaker 2>know the set painters, you get to know the wardrobe

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<v Speaker 2>people in a much more intimate way. And yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>do like that. I think it makes you a better

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<v Speaker 2>actor to just understand where people come from a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>And your work means so much to so many for

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<v Speaker 1>many reasons. But I just saw you posted minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>the interview you're out magazine cover. Yes, and you've been

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<v Speaker 1>such a prominent figure for that community for many reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>What I kind of take from your career and from

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<v Speaker 1>you is you're someone who shows people that you can

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<v Speaker 1>go after your wildest dreams, no matter what background you

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<v Speaker 1>come from. And I think that's pretty cool. And like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, we met during Bros. And that's a movie

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<v Speaker 1>that means a lot to many people today. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>hold a special place in your heart?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? Absolutely. I mean only was it my

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<v Speaker 2>first opportunity to be part of a feature film put

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<v Speaker 2>up by his studio, which just means a different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot more money, a lot more pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, working with people like Judd Apatau and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>guest stars that were you know, household names. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the first time for that, So that definitely holds a

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<v Speaker 2>special spot for me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean clearly, I see you reminiscing, Yeah, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about that time, and I imagine doing something that

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<v Speaker 1>with Billy and working on a project like that and

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<v Speaker 1>being such a pioneer for that is pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know you're gonna say you're talking about Out magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny actually because just you know, I posted that

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<v Speaker 2>and Guy Brendan just sent me a text. Guy Brendan,

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<v Speaker 2>who is also in Bros. Along with Billy, played Billy

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<v Speaker 2>Aikner's best friend in the movie, sent me a text.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I saw your Out magazine. I can always

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<v Speaker 2>tell when you really care about a project because you

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<v Speaker 2>take your shirt off.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, God, So what incorrect? Or I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, look, there's something about skin that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, gets people's attention. We all know about

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<v Speaker 2>the scroll and we all know what makes people stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And I care so much about the show that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>executive producing homes Where the Heart Is. And yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I did want a couple extra eyes, and maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>was willing to take the shirt off to get a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more attention on something I care so much about.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen and an oversaturate of market. You Gotta do, you

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta do, You Gotta do, you Gotta do. Yeah, that's awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>And with that series, I think it's so cool for

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<v Speaker 1>many reasons that you're doing it, because it's so different

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<v Speaker 1>than what we're used to from you, right, And when

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<v Speaker 1>I first saw it, I thought, huh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I knew you loved board work.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw, especially during COVID a lot of your videos

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<v Speaker 1>you put up doing all of that. But what for

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<v Speaker 1>you made you say I need to be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of this project, like sign me up.

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<v Speaker 2>So it began with an amazing woman named Jessica Sebastian

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<v Speaker 2>and she had always wanted to do a home renovation

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<v Speaker 2>show and she came to me because she knew she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do it a Hallmark and Hallmark is starting

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the nonscripted space and they said to her,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to work with one of our talent, and

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<v Speaker 2>we know who that's going to be. It's Luke McFarlane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got this interest, so Jessica and I began talking.

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<v Speaker 2>We began talking about what the show want to be

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<v Speaker 2>and our sort of idea about wanting to create spaces

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<v Speaker 2>for people that reflected who they were, where they're coming from,

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<v Speaker 2>and then specifically for me. I said, but I want

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<v Speaker 2>to add something personal to every home that we renovate.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to build something specifically for them, because word,

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<v Speaker 2>working for me is something I've done for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been professional. Sometimes sometimes it's about paying the bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's reminiscing about, like you know, working with my

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<v Speaker 2>dad where I was a kid, it's a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of what we did. We always built stuff together. So

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I wanted to add that because I think

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<v Speaker 2>when you design a space for someone, it has to

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<v Speaker 2>be personal. It has to be intimate. It's not just

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<v Speaker 2>about this is the it color, this is the right paper,

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<v Speaker 2>these are the things you need. It's not that, it's

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<v Speaker 2>who are you? And how can your space represent you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we look at clothing as a way of

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<v Speaker 2>expressing ourselves a lot, but we don't do it I

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<v Speaker 2>think with as much intention as our physical space. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we want our physical space to represent who we are

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So that's what the show is really about.

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<v Speaker 1>Home is where the heart is Palmark. Plus that's right out. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what about this show feels different than an acting job?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what fulfills you in a different way doing this

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<v Speaker 1>versus that kind of work?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, tell me. It was so hard. It

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<v Speaker 2>was also so hot. And look, we did not have

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<v Speaker 2>all the money in the world. So like I found myself,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, finishing up an interview with a family and

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<v Speaker 2>then being like, Okay, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>build this thing. I gotta get dirty and dusty, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some some days my day would start at

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<v Speaker 2>six am and I was like literally on the table

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<v Speaker 2>saw until the sun went down. Like it was very

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<v Speaker 2>different that way. I expected there'd be a whole team

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<v Speaker 2>that would kind of help me. It was like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you really care about something, you have to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was hard and it was hot. We filmed

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<v Speaker 2>it in Atlanta in the summer, so if you look

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<v Speaker 2>carefully at the show, you can see some sweaty shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>H for sure, Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't production throwing water over you making you look

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<v Speaker 1>extra steaming.

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<v Speaker 2>One percent. I actually I did make a comment. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of home run. Those shows, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>what I like to call sort of like a carpenter drag,

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<v Speaker 2>where like they'll go in and like maybe knock one

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<v Speaker 2>wall down and lift one thing. But I swear to

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<v Speaker 2>you I was doing it all with some help, but

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<v Speaker 2>I had my hands super dirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, yes, okay, all right, well you enjoy it too.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to fake it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I do, and I do. And I walking into

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<v Speaker 2>a reveal and making sure that like the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you're showing them is good is a different kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stress for me. It's very much reflective of myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And these shows for me, are always very emotional. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an Italian from Jerseys, so I can like cry

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<v Speaker 1>when wind blows, but I no, no, I imagine for

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<v Speaker 1>you when you see the faces of these families and

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<v Speaker 1>whoever you're profiling, you must feel that too. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>catch yourself getting emotional at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Absolutely? I think I got the most emotional in

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<v Speaker 2>one of the episodes it's streaming now, where it was

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<v Speaker 2>really important. It was a mother and daughter and the

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<v Speaker 2>mother was having a hard time. Oh it's making emotional now.

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<v Speaker 2>She was having a hard time letting go of something

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<v Speaker 2>that her late husband had built. So it was his

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<v Speaker 2>conversation of like, how can you let go of this

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<v Speaker 2>thing while letting your daughter make this space for herself.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were in a cabinet chop and we were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to convince this lovely mother to sort of let

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<v Speaker 2>go of these old cabinets so we could give her

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<v Speaker 2>some new cabinets. And it was very emotional.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, wow, yeah, wow, that's hard to let go. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean home, Your home is sacred, right, It's a space.

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<v Speaker 1>I always say it to my husband, like when we

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<v Speaker 1>move or when we design a home, like I want

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<v Speaker 1>it to feel like our sanctuary. We can turn out

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<v Speaker 1>the world and come home and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are things that you bring with you from

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones who have passed or you know that you

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<v Speaker 1>collect along the way, and I just I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>something so magical when you can help facilitate creating that

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<v Speaker 1>that knew something for someone else because you know how

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<v Speaker 1>important it is totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's important to remember. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>something I talked about a lot, but homes are also

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<v Speaker 2>time traveling machines. And you know, when I first bought

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<v Speaker 2>my home in Los Angeles, which is one hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 2>You literally take off the wallpaper and you see what

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<v Speaker 2>was there before. So you're actually going back in time

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going this was once somebody's idea of what

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<v Speaker 2>you were describing with your husband as a cozy space.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, oh God, should I be removing this?

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<v Speaker 2>Should I be taking this away? But the home travels

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<v Speaker 2>through time. We just get to inhabit it for a

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<v Speaker 2>brief moment. So yeah, trying to honor about all those things,

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<v Speaker 2>it can get very emotional.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to do more in this space? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's a whole new category for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it is. I will say my real passion

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<v Speaker 2>is furniture building. I've built a lot of furniture, and look,

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<v Speaker 2>I've done everything from framing to trimwork, to hang indoors

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<v Speaker 2>to even painting. God bless me, I hate painting so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate painting. But furniture building is really my passion.

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<v Speaker 2>I get to work in my workshop, I get to

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<v Speaker 2>stay in one place, I get to work with sort

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<v Speaker 2>of beautiful special woods. So that's what I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>do more. But I didn't like to sort of encourage

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<v Speaker 2>people and talk more about what makes great pieces of furniture.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool that you're such an entrepreneur in doing

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<v Speaker 1>it all. And I think that's the way of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty five and going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Idea of doing one thing and staying in one lane,

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<v Speaker 1>to me is very dated. And I love that you

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<v Speaker 1>can go do a show right like Platonic and film

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<v Speaker 1>season two, and go jump into the some scriptive worlds

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<v Speaker 1>and go work on your furniture. You know, your wo

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<v Speaker 1>would work and all of it well, like.

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<v Speaker 2>You honestly tell me, like to watch you. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I first met you, you were doing these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen to five minute, twenty minute interviews, and now we

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<v Speaker 2>get this opportunity to sit down and actually talk. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's probably a part of yourself that you've

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<v Speaker 2>always want to share. Yeah. If we like somebody, we

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<v Speaker 2>want to see them grow. Yeah, and Hallmark has done

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<v Speaker 2>that for me. Yeah, give me the opportunity to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a few of those Christmas moves like many

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<v Speaker 1>people have.

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<v Speaker 2>Many people.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I was just texting with a friend here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very close with Jennifer a few and she said

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<v Speaker 1>she watches catch me if you claws. Oh, all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>like year round when she's having a bad day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was a favorite one. Yeah, amazing Italia Richie,

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<v Speaker 2>I love making that one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See you bring so much joy to people, not even

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<v Speaker 1>during just the holidays with your work, but year round.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jennifer love Cwett No less, there we go. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a soft name drop. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we do on this show. We just slide

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<v Speaker 1>them in sometimes. But that's awesome. I think it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited for this series, and I love that

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<v Speaker 1>hall Hallmark is now expanding into this category because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so hot. People want it. My dad, he just turned

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<v Speaker 1>seventies and Italian from Jersey. He watches like those those

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<v Speaker 1>home Rhino shows on streaming all the time just because

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<v Speaker 1>for him he has anxiety. That's another story, but it

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<v Speaker 1>gives him such calm.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I got to ask you, this Old House

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<v Speaker 2>is that what your dad watches? What does your dad watch?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know any of the titles?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know any of the titles. I will get

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<v Speaker 1>them for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious because like I grew up, this Old House

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, me and my dad used to watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's something though, because he likes sold Western,

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<v Speaker 1>So like when I started seeing him watching these I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I see you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's that's the power of these shows. It transcends

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<v Speaker 1>all demographics and ages and people just want to feel

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<v Speaker 1>that joy and connection and you're bringing that, which is

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<v Speaker 1>so damn cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also the home renovation shows this beautiful built in

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<v Speaker 2>thing where you get up before and then as right right,

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<v Speaker 2>so that after takes you all the way to the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the episode. Yeah, and that's really what we

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<v Speaker 2>want to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you're not hanging up your hat in the acting.

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<v Speaker 2>World, correct, No, I am not. I just finished film

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<v Speaker 2>in the second season of Apple's Platonic with the amazing

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<v Speaker 2>Rose Byrne and the incredibly funny and talk about someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's got his hands and everything Seth Rogan. Now he's great,

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<v Speaker 2>he's amazing. Yeah, he's like truly a genius. Can't wait

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<v Speaker 2>to see his new show. But yeah, so I just

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<v Speaker 2>finished doing the second season. That really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just finished making a little horror film with an actress

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<v Speaker 2>I know you interviewed Olivia Holt, and that was really

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<v Speaker 2>fun playing a playing a teacher who may or may

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<v Speaker 2>not be a zombie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, is this your first kind of step into horror?

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<v Speaker 2>I made one horror film. I'll let people look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, it was what is it? Come on?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on? It's called rock paper Dead had an amazing cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, Michael Madson and Tatum O'Neill in that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It was wild. So it's been a minute. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well we look forward to that. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I announced? It was my guest. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people were writing saying they want to see you play

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<v Speaker 1>a superhero, specifically Captain America.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd take it. I'd take it.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to turned that down?

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<v Speaker 2>I love doing action. I don't know, I mean, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take it. Captain America sign up. Although I am Canadian.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you knew that. So maybe Captain Canuck,

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<v Speaker 2>which is actually an old comic book, So Marvel, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening, Captain Canuck is probably available, very inexpensive if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to turn that franchise into something. We're onto

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<v Speaker 2>something here, let's do it. We're manifesting that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>For trying to think what Captain Canuck's like superpower would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a Canadian. I don't want to say something offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not going to say, Joe, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to make a joke disappear. There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're gonna we're gonna plush that idea out

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big legal sort of you know, polit a

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<v Speaker 2>cool show.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Okay, you never know. Is there a role

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<v Speaker 1>that you auditioned for that you really wanted that you

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<v Speaker 1>were super bummed didn't work out?

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<v Speaker 2>God, that's that's a super fair question. You learn so

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<v Speaker 2>quickly to let go of things. Yeah, you just have to.

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<v Speaker 2>I always like make the joke with with my friends

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm driving and I see the billboard for the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I auditioned for. I was like, oh, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I didn't get that part, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you find out that they cast somebody else. But well,

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<v Speaker 2>here's something and this is this is true, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is not the thing that I've never told

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<v Speaker 2>anyone because I have something special for that later. But

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<v Speaker 2>I actually auditioned originally for Matthew Reese's part in Brothers

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<v Speaker 2>and Sisters. We both went in together. I was actually

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<v Speaker 2>in New York doing a play at that time. They

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<v Speaker 2>flew me out to do the test. Me and Matthew

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<v Speaker 2>went in to audition for Kevin, who became you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sallyfield's son, and I auditioned for Kevin as well. Matthew

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<v Speaker 2>got the part I didn't. They said, we loved you, you

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<v Speaker 2>thought you were wonderful. We want to give you this,

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of door price, which became Scotty and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so low and behold. I wanted Kevin. I became Scotty

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<v Speaker 2>so and it worked out pretty well. It worked out

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well. Hundred episodes later. Yeah, that character's beloved. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was fun. It was a fun gig. That's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know where it will take you, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you walk in the room thinking it's one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then something else happens, which may very well be

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<v Speaker 1>even better than you imagined, which is pretty cool as

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<v Speaker 1>an actor.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you watch I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, there's so many there's so much content out there now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>series and movies and streaming and all of it. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a series or a film franchise that you will

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<v Speaker 1>you would think would be so cool to be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a deep Star Trek fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like really deep. It's like weird actually, like I

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<v Speaker 2>fall asleep to Star Trek Next Generation every night, have

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<v Speaker 2>been doing it for five years. I could tell you

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<v Speaker 2>any episode, any character. I know the titles of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched Star Trek Voyager, I've watched you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>New one, Brave New World. But Star Trek Next Generation

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<v Speaker 2>is like one of the like all time favorite comfort

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<v Speaker 2>foods for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been able to audition for anything Star

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<v Speaker 1>Trek related?

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny, I'm just remembering this now. I actually did

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<v Speaker 2>audition for Captain Kirk.

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<v Speaker 1>That must have been a pinch me moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, I mean, yeah, but that was a long

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<v Speaker 2>time ago. It was also like when you look back

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<v Speaker 2>at these things, I was like, I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the heck I was doing, and that became of course

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Pine's you know, huge breakout roll. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>auditioned for that one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you keep your cool?

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<v Speaker 2>If I like you, you're such a fan, I think

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<v Speaker 2>at that point you just sort of walk in blindly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And there is there is a part of me that

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<v Speaker 2>wishes I could go back and go, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do things differently. I don't know, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>realized how how big these opportunities were at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and then maybe that's a survival technique thing. You just

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<v Speaker 2>you try to not get too worked out, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You seem to be someone who can handle rejection well,

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<v Speaker 1>because in the business there's a lot of it and

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<v Speaker 1>in life, I mean, yeah, but add in all the

0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 1>career stuff you have to deal with. It's not your

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<v Speaker 1>usual nine to five where you go in and do

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<v Speaker 1>your job and constantly have to hear no right, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a different, a different thing. So you've always

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<v Speaker 1>been someone seemingly that can let that roll off your back.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't. I don't know where that comes from. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm having a memory of like a dear

0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.199
<v Speaker 2>actor friend of mine who you know, we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sort of started out together, and I remember he went

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<v Speaker 2>in for this audition for something and he didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>it and he broke down and it was so profound,

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<v Speaker 2>and I of course was comforting my friend, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry, But in the back of my head,

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, uh, oh, uh oh, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be tough for you because this is

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<v Speaker 2>a big, big part of it. And I don't know

0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.119
<v Speaker 2>some people let things roll. Some people don't. And I

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 2>don't want to put a judgment on that, because certainly

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<v Speaker 2>like it's cool to have big emotions about things, but

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<v Speaker 2>for me, there was a lot of rejection before.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of yeses, and you never let

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it stop you. Nope, look at you here today. Seth

0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Rogan's had a really smart thing about that once too.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know, the one thing about successful actors

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<v Speaker 2>is they just kept doing it. And I think that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing, and I think we need to hear that

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<v Speaker 1>more and more because people look at you and they think,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, he's probably never had to deal with that,

0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and now he's transitioning to this unscriptive world and he's

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<v Speaker 1>touching every kind of market of the industry. So it

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<v Speaker 1>must be so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're like, we all go through it. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>totally do. There is no shortage of you know, forty

0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 2>five year old dudes that you know do crunches.

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<v Speaker 1>So forty five year old dudes who do crunches that

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<v Speaker 1>should be your Instagram bio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just a forty five year old dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It does yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel do you feel that though, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you bring up age and I'm turning forty in January myself,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's such an interesting time in my life because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you ask yourself a lot of questions

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 1>at that point, and you're very reflective, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you go through what you go through, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm welcoming of it. I'm not weird out or freaked

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<v Speaker 1>out by it, but you do start thinking things a

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<v Speaker 1>little differently, right, and taking inventory.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I think that thirties are hard like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the thirties are hard. So like, you get to

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<v Speaker 2>your forties, you get a new kind of confidence. I

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<v Speaker 2>think about yourself and you're like, okay, like Tommy, you've

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.360
<v Speaker 2>done it. Yeah, Like you have this career, You've made

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.440
<v Speaker 2>this thing happen. You've been the host of multiple shows now,

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<v Speaker 2>like so it's all worked out. And I think when

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<v Speaker 2>you get to your forties and you've kind of pursued

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 2>that passion and you've gotten to a place, you get

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<v Speaker 2>to go like, ah, all right, yeah it's gonna be okay. Yeah,

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 2>and then you can start about start thinking about a

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>family and that that's a whole other panic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, you kind of give yourself permission to do that. Right,

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like you don't have to wrap your entire identity

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<v Speaker 1>around one thing. Not that you did that or not,

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>but I do that, but like it's you allow yourself

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<v Speaker 1>space to make room for those things that maybe you've

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, yeah, completely, and admit to your that it's

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<v Speaker 2>okay or it's going to be okay. I think when

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<v Speaker 2>I first graduated from school, I was like, I'm never

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<v Speaker 2>going to make any money ever. I'm going to get

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 2>like kicked out of the country because again I'm Canadian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get kicked out of the country and

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 2>it's all gonna be disaster and I'm going to live

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<v Speaker 2>in a car. But that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, it worked out pretty well. And you did

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<v Speaker 1>it all while being true to yourself, which I know

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't always easy, and you had to make some difficult

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<v Speaker 1>decisions along the way, and you very much wore I

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<v Speaker 1>think a pioneer for showing people it's okay to be

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<v Speaker 1>who you are. But I know that came with probably

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sacrifice along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I came out when I was that came

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<v Speaker 2>out like eighteen years ago. And it was a different time,

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>and it was before streamers, and it was before Timothy Shalomeh.

0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>I know, it was before there was just a different

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 2>relationship to what you know, a guy could and couldn't wear,

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:56.919
<v Speaker 2>and whether they could paint their nails or not. So

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<v Speaker 2>I do I do look back at that eighteen year

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:05.439
<v Speaker 2>old and go like, wow, that was that was some determination,

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 2>or that eighteen years ago with some that was a

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<v Speaker 2>guy with determination.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you wish that today, when you're doing press and

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<v Speaker 1>doing interviews that there was I guess less of a

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<v Speaker 1>focus on that part of you, like it was just

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<v Speaker 1>something that just was in your life. Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like okay talking about that part of you?

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<v Speaker 2>I totally feel okay. But we're all looking for ways

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<v Speaker 2>to relate to each other. I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 2>but when I meet people who are queer, I always

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>want to know, like, ohlways, your coming out story. Yeah,

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>it's just a story. That's an important story. So like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I totally get that people want to talk about that,

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>and if you stick around long enough, I can tell

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>you lots of other stuff about myself. Yeah, you know.

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 2>So I'm never going to fault somebody for a wanting

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to know about that. It's a big part of who

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I am, but there's other parts of me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I think it's important to also be able to

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 1>share those parts, yes, and show that you're a well

0:25:58.400 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>rounded person.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally right again, Like you're just going back to Hallmark,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they gave me that opportunity. Yeah, you know, they

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 2>let me be a sort of romantic lead to many

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 2>a lovely ladies, and then they let me be a

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 2>romantic lead to a man, and then they let me

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<v Speaker 2>produce a show where I get to talk about woodwork,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm so incredibly grateful. Yeah, as far as

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 2>like a partner that's going to lean in and keep

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 2>asking questions about who you are, that's who you want.

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 2>It's one partner that keeps going like but what else

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 2>are you? Who else are you? What else can you be? Yeah,

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 2>they've been amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's really cool to note about Hallmark because

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes I've heard from friends like, oh, are

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>they cool with the gay community or is that something

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>they're comfortable with? And it's like, yes, the proof is there.

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>You know. That was the joke that people used to

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 2>make you know, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they had to get to the point like

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<v Speaker 1>many companies, I mean, times change, and you have to

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>allow grace for people to realize what is right and wrong.

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 1>And you can't. You can't hold someone's feed to the

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<v Speaker 1>fire forever if they didn't necessarily do one thing and

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>now they're doing something else, because that's growth and change

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and evolvement, and we all deserve that and we all

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>go through it.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 2>That's right. You know, you got to do that for

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>people too.

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Let them go through their evolvement, let them go through

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 2>their change, let them go through their learning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I think that's so cool. It's it's it's

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>such an important show. I'm so psych that everybody gets

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to enjoy it and and watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>How do people watch Hallmark Plus for Yeah, you go

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 2>to Hallmark Plus dot com. Huh, and you sign up

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 2>for a very reasonable price. Oh okay, it's cheaper than Netflix.

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you that much. I'll have to

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<v Speaker 2>find out how much cheaper, but it's significantly cheaper. And

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>you can also, you know, visit the Luke McFarland Criterion there.

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>There's all my movies are up there, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>go and check out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, plug in your movies I see you, I see.

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 2>It was plugging Hallmark. They've been so good to be

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>and it was a joke. My friend text me, She's like, Oh,

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>it's the McFarlane Criterion, where you can see you know

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 2>all my movies, from Shoe Atticts Christmas to Jennifer Love

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Hewitt's favorite one catch Alas anymore coming up. I haven't

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>got one in the can for Hallmark. Yeah, but you

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>know I like to try to do on every Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, very cool, very cool. So we're at that point

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 1>of the show Boy where apparently you know what's coming

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and the show is called I've never said this before,

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>and that was born from wanting to just have these

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>more real moments in real conversation with artists like yourself

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>that you don't get to have on a carpet for

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>two minutes or sit down junket for six minutes. So

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I like to give my guests the opportunity to share

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>something that's important to them that they've never really said before.

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So take it away. Yeah, well, I wanted to talk

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>about my eagle tattoo on my back. No, I'm kidding,

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any back. Well, gosh, you know, I

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 2>was thinking about it. It's really lovely to be back

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 2>here in New York's. New York City is a very

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>important place to me. I left London, Ontario as an

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old and came out here and I auditioned

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<v Speaker 2>for Juilliard, which was where I trained as an actor.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually, this morning I went on a run, I

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<v Speaker 2>went past Lincoln Center. And this is going to sound

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 2>like very boastful, but I knew I was going to

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 2>get into Juilliard. I just knew it, which is a

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 2>crazy thing to think. It's like harder to get into

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Juilliard than it is to get into like Princeton and Yale.

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And I guess I'm telling you that because well, it

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>sounds embarrassing and boastful, but it also kind of points

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 2>to that thing that you know you need at a

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 2>certain time in your life and that you can kind

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of make it happen if you can get really clear

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>about what it is you need. Look, I was like

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<v Speaker 2>a closeted kid living in you know, a mid size

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<v Speaker 2>city in Canada, and I thought, if I get to

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>New York, I can be gay. So they're just going

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 2>to take care of that. If I get to New

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<v Speaker 2>York and get the approval that I can be an actor,

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I can do that. So I was like, oh, this

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>is my opportunity to do that. So I guess the

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 2>thing that I'm never telling, but it is like I

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 2>just knew I was going to get in to Juilliard.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a dumb thing to share?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not. I feel like I'm looking at your

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<v Speaker 1>face and you feel you seem so well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I'm'm boastful guys, like, rarely do I have

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 2>that much confidence about outcomes? You know, maybe that's what

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>is embarrassing.

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a pretty cool thing. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>need to allow ourselves to feel like we're the boss

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<v Speaker 1>and can achieve what we put our mind to.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>And like figuring out for ourselves what exactly it is

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>we want, Yeah, and not just be beat around by

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<v Speaker 2>like well over here and make this happen, but like

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 2>getting really clear about what it is we want. Like

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>that's almost harder. And maybe that's like what's harder as

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<v Speaker 2>I get older? What is it I really want? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a question you keep asking yourself all the time?

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<v Speaker 1>You know you asked me earlier in this interview, like

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want to do? Next, or like what's

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>the dream role or something like that. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that same kind of clarity I did when I was

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen year old kid that wanted to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest acting school in the world. You know, do

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>you feel like, because you're so fulfilled in what you've accomplished,

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that you're not putting that weight or pressure on yourself

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<v Speaker 1>says think about what's next?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, but maybe I'm also a little more afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>put myself into the scarier, the unknown or the like difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, but I can't remember a time

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<v Speaker 2>later in my career when I was so sure about

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<v Speaker 2>what I wanted next, so sure that I knew I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to make it happen. Yeah, that's interesting, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>It is? It is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, especially at this point of your life. You mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, forty five and new dad, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do I want in this chapter?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's okay to ask yourself that I

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<v Speaker 1>really don't subscribe to the idea that you're born and

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<v Speaker 1>there's one thing that you have to only do and

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<v Speaker 1>stick to. Kind of what I said earlier, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think interest change and evolve, and the world changes and evolves,

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<v Speaker 1>and there might be something out there that you see

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<v Speaker 1>and want to do that you're like, oh, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Did you ever imagine you'd be doing

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<v Speaker 1>an unscripted show at this point in your life?

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<v Speaker 2>Totally? I mean absolutely. I think the thing that was

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<v Speaker 2>the closest to sort of I know I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>get into Julliard was like I know I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a parent. That was the second always closest thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I knew was going to happen, except for with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, creating. Life is there's so many things that

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<v Speaker 2>can happen, and you know, so it's also harder to

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<v Speaker 2>be deterministic about it.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the one thing that you hope your daughter learns?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't early age.

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<v Speaker 2>The big word that comes up for me in my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite people in the world are curious people Like if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not curious, I am checked out. So curiosity is

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<v Speaker 2>number one. I want to foster that in her at

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<v Speaker 2>every step of the step of it, Like, you just

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<v Speaker 2>have to be curious about people, the world, buildings, would, architecture, music,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to be in, but be curious and

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<v Speaker 2>be kind. Be kind. That's it. Be kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't say that enough, you know for a man that's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, rapping Season two of Platonic. Just did a

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<v Speaker 1>Hallmark Plus series helping people with their dream homes. A

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<v Speaker 1>dad of two, a two year old almost you're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>put together. You're pretty put together. Don't know what secret

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<v Speaker 1>you have going on, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't simulate it. Wondering what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Crying in a pillow.

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<v Speaker 2>Episodes of The Star trek Luke.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been so nice. Remind us all how to

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<v Speaker 1>watch your new series, what it is all the things.

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<v Speaker 2>The show is called Home Is Where the Heart Is

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<v Speaker 2>and you can find it on Hallmarkplus dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we can't wait for that. It's so good to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up with you. What a treat when I found

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<v Speaker 1>out we would be talking, you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years after our first interview. It's really cool to see

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<v Speaker 1>you continuing to do things that fuels your soul and

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<v Speaker 1>I love to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you and you too, and let's pick up again

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, one man, Thank you, all right, thank you.

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