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Speaker 1: Doctor Fauci recently sat before Congress in a closed door hearing,

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Speaker 1: So what was said during that hearing. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk to Senator ran Paul about it. He has called

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Speaker 1: out doctor Fauci and his lies in his book Deception,

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Speaker 1: the Great COVID cover Up. So we're going to get

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Speaker 1: his take on what was reported from that hearing about

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Speaker 1: the lies that doctor Fauci told then and before. And

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Speaker 1: also what's the impact of everything that happened during COVID,

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Speaker 1: particularly as we face a thirty four trillion dollar debt.

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Speaker 1: How does that debt impact you? I'm going to ask

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Speaker 1: Senator ran Paul. Also, he made an anti Nikki Haley endorsement.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to want to miss this interview with

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Speaker 1: the Great Senator Ram Paul, trust me, stay tuned. Senator.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to have you on the show. I

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Speaker 1: know you're a busy guy, so I always appreciate you

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Speaker 1: making the time.

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Speaker 2: Ye thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So I've got to get you on this. I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: you wrote the book on the lies we were told

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Speaker 1: during COVID Deception, the Great COVID cover Up. But doctor

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Speaker 1: Fauci recently sat with Congress behind closed doors for fourteen hours,

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Speaker 1: and some alarming things were reported, you know, one social distancing,

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Speaker 1: which we always knew was a first, but it admitted

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Speaker 1: that it was it wasn't scientific, And then also admitted,

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Speaker 1: even though he attacked the people who said COVID came

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Speaker 1: from the lab, now he's saying that it's not a

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Speaker 1: your big takeaways from all of this, and what are

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Speaker 1: the depths in which Fauci lied to us?

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Speaker 2: You know, and virtually every major topic of the COVID pandemic,

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Speaker 2: he's been on both sides of the issue. In private,

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Speaker 2: he's often been honest. In public, he's almost always lied,

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Speaker 2: you know. Ask early on by a coworker whether or

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Speaker 2: not the mask work, he honestly responded in private that

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Speaker 2: the pores in the mask were too large and that

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Speaker 2: really wasn't worthwhile, and that studies that indicated it wasn't worthwhile.

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Speaker 2: In public, he wears three masks, you know. In private,

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Speaker 2: he acknowledged and actually in the past has acknowledged that

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Speaker 2: natural immunity tends to work. If you've had the flu,

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Speaker 2: you don't need a flu shot. He said in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and four, famously on c SPAN, but then he

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Speaker 2: became uncertain with COVID. He says, oh, we don't know

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Speaker 2: if natural immunity is going to work on schools. He

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Speaker 2: was for the lockdowns till he was against them, till

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Speaker 2: he was four, until he was against him. So he

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Speaker 2: just depended on the audience he was for. But what

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Speaker 2: was remarkable about his testimony was that he couldn't recall

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Speaker 2: over one hundred times. You know, he was smart enough

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Speaker 2: to tell us what to do and to mandate all

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Speaker 2: these things about our behavior, but a hundred times he

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Speaker 2: couldn't recall when asked questions about these things or how

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Speaker 2: they came about. You're right on the social distancing on

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Speaker 2: standing six feet apart. I mean these ridiculous thing. I

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Speaker 2: remember going to my son's university and outside in the

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Speaker 2: grassy quad of the university, they had circles and you

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Speaker 2: were supposed to stand in the circle six feet away

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Speaker 2: these things were based on science, and yet every day

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Speaker 2: we were berated by CNN and the left, Oh, obey

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Speaker 2: the science. The right doesn't want to obey the science.

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Speaker 2: The science was all concocted and basically just opinions of

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Speaker 2: things they made us do had any effect on the.

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Speaker 1: Virus well, and they knew that. So it's more sinister

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Speaker 1: in the fact that, you know, obviously he was pushing

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Speaker 2: You know, I think there's an impulse to authoritarianism in

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Speaker 2: many of these people. They go into the field to

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Speaker 2: work in public health, to work in the government, and

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Speaker 2: they have a not a great respect for individual liberty

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Speaker 2: or civil liberty. These are the people who believe in mandates.

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Speaker 2: You know, they've believed in mandates for a long time.

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Speaker 2: For vaccines, they have no problem telling people. But for

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Speaker 2: the first time, a large portion of the public, not

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Speaker 2: do you really need to take them? And then two

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Speaker 2: And then people started asking, well, what is the evidence?

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Speaker 2: those that's sixty five and older. Then Wilenski, Rochelle Wilenski,

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Speaker 2: But they could never prove efficacy. So they said, well,

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Speaker 2: will react to it. That's right, that's an immune response,

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Speaker 2: but doesn't mean you need it. I mean if the response,

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Speaker 2: mean you need a vaccine every day. But yeah, it's criminal,

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Speaker 2: every which way his judgment and his conclusions were wrong.

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Speaker 2: We're not based in science.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I remember the CDC was looking at

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the debt is sold to the Federal Reserve,

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Speaker 2: deficit leads to high prices and inflation, and really both

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Speaker 2: parties are responsible. I mean, you'll remember the lockdowns began

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration has continued that, but there really is

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Speaker 1: You know, I interviewed your dad not too long ago,

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Speaker 1: and I asked him, you know, how does it feel

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Speaker 1: And he was kind of like, well, not good because

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm fully and completely not behind Nicky Haley.

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Speaker 2: I'm never Nikki and that's gonna last as long as

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Speaker 2: I can imagine she's in the race. But I haven't

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Speaker 2: made a decision on the others I like Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I've been a personal friend. I defended him against the impeachments.

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Speaker 2: But I'm troubled some by his attacks on DeSantis over entitlements.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're a serious person and seriously considering

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Speaker 2: entitlement programs are a problem of the spending that comes

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Speaker 2: on is military and non military. They call it discretionary spending.

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Speaker 2: and I'd decided I couldn't hold myself back. I wanted

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like she's a finger to the

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Speaker 1: win politician. You know, what do I need to say

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Speaker 1: today versus is you know, really believing in anything? What

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Speaker 2: You know, I think right now we're doing pretty well. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I think the Democrats have so overreached on this idea

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Speaker 2: crying democracy, democracy, Trump will destroyed democracy. The only way

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Speaker 2: we can save democracy is by, oh, not allowing people

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Speaker 2: I think they've overreached. And all of the polls. Look,

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Speaker 2: in Michigan. That's a state. If he wins Michigan, probably

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Speaker 2: happens with this. But you know, I think the Democrats

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Speaker 2: have overreached. And right now Biden's quite unpopular. His policies

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Speaker 2: are quite unpopular, and frankly, his frailness and inability to

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Speaker 2: most of the activities that he's doing is a problem

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the weekend at Bernie's campaign and President.

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Speaker 1: You know, Senator Rand Paul always love having you, truly

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. You're a busy man, so We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you giving our time and my audience as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, No problem.

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Speaker 1: Thanks that was Senator rand Paul. Appreciate him for joining

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Speaker 1: the show. Always love hearing his insight. Appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you

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Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week. I want to thank John

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Speaker 1: Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,