Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning,
Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's
Speaker 1: episode is going to be a slightly longer one part
Speaker 1: of the series where I interview fascinating people about how
Speaker 1: they take their days from great to awesome and any
Speaker 1: advice they have for the rest of us. So today
Speaker 1: I am delighted to welcome Alison Shepherdak to Before Breakfast.
Speaker 1: Alison is the founder of Elevate Etiquette. She is the
Speaker 1: author of Was It Something I Said?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Alison, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm delighted to be here.
Speaker 1: I am so happy to have you as well. Why
Speaker 1: don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2: Thank you. My name is Alison Shepherd Ak and I'm
Speaker 2: the founder of Elevate Etiquette, where I write and share
Speaker 2: about etiquette for your life, work and love. I also
Speaker 2: teach international protocol and executive presence. I'm a former attorney,
Speaker 2: former TV news reporter and anchor, and that's some of
Speaker 2: the experience that I bring to my work today. Doing
Speaker 2: a lot of content creation, speaking and writing.
Speaker 1: Wonderful and I'm fuar very We're curious how one becomes
Speaker 1: known as an elevator as an etiquette expert. I understand
Speaker 1: you've had quite a varied career. I mean you were
Speaker 1: like at the White House, you also were an ice dancer.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've really really been all over the map.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. So it started when my husband and
Speaker 2: I were engaged to be married, and I realized I
Speaker 2: had all of these wedding etiquette questions that I didn't
Speaker 2: know the answer to, like does every cousin get a
Speaker 2: plus one? Or how do I address this envelope? And
Speaker 2: so my mom suggested that I got that I get
Speaker 2: my first etiquette BOK and I did, and I got
Speaker 2: that book thinking that I would just flip to the
Speaker 2: pages that had the answers I was looking for. And
Speaker 2: then I found myself reading that first book cover to cover.
Speaker 2: And then I was working as an news reporter. I
Speaker 2: ended up going to law school and practicing law, and
Speaker 2: I kept learning about etiquette on my own time, reading
Speaker 2: books about emotional intelligence and protocol and etiquette. And then
Speaker 2: I decided to get a certification in British and North
Speaker 2: American etiquette to teach it, not necessarily thinking that I
Speaker 2: would teach it, but it was something that I thought
Speaker 2: would be really enjoyable, and I saw it as like
Speaker 2: a non conventional personal growth opportunity for myself. And then
Speaker 2: it was while I was in that program that I
Speaker 2: was surrounded by other people with these thriving businesses around
Speaker 2: the world and protocol and etiquette. So I saw that
Speaker 2: as like proof of concept, and then I started posting
Speaker 2: in social media and it resonated with an audience pretty
Speaker 2: quickly to a point that I have confidence to keep.
Speaker 1: Going wonderful wonderful. So I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: have some misconceptions though about etiquette. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if you asked the average person and what is etiquette,
Speaker 1: they would think it's you know which fork do I use?
Speaker 1: And there's some element of that, But I think you
Speaker 1: would say that it's more about one's soft skills. Is
Speaker 1: that correct?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And there is an element to your point of knowing,
Speaker 2: like which is your bread plate and which is your
Speaker 2: water and how to navigate a formal dining scenario. But
Speaker 2: that's not the point. The point is not to show
Speaker 2: off that you know which fork to use in a
Speaker 2: given scenario. It's to make it like muscle memory, like
Speaker 2: for athletes, like something that you don't need to think
Speaker 2: about so that you can be confident and you can
Speaker 2: focus on those moments that matter and the connection and
Speaker 2: make what might not be you know, a very civilized
Speaker 2: moment of eating what was once an animal or you know,
Speaker 2: something like that, into a more pleasant, civilized experience. And
Speaker 2: yes's definitely most importantly about like kindness and honoring other people.
Speaker 1: Well well, yeah, well we definitely want to honor other
Speaker 1: people and be kind and part of that is about
Speaker 1: how we make conversations. I know in your book, was
Speaker 1: it something I said you devote a section to better
Speaker 1: small talk? I wonder if you could give our listeners
Speaker 1: some advice on how to make better small talk.
Speaker 2: Sure. So, with small talk, I recommend whether you're going
Speaker 2: to high school reunion or you're just going about your
Speaker 2: daily life, I recommend having some topics that you're ready
Speaker 2: to talk about with pretty much anybody. The things that
Speaker 2: I recommend staying away from are money, sex, politics, religion,
Speaker 2: and health status. The sneaky one in there is health status,
Speaker 2: because sometimes you can be talking about your diet or
Speaker 2: your exercise routine and it can almost come across as
Speaker 2: like a religion or like you should be eating or
Speaker 2: exercising the way that I do. So that's a sneaky one,
Speaker 2: but in general, the the idea here is not to
Speaker 2: think about like what's impressive and what's going to make
Speaker 2: me sound really smart. It's what's something that I'm genuinely
Speaker 2: interested in that I can speak to for a little while.
Speaker 2: But I also think that these other people that I'm
Speaker 2: speaking with are going to be interested in talking about too,
Speaker 2: So that leaves plenty of room for lots of things
Speaker 2: like your hobbies, sports, anything you've read, listened to watch
Speaker 2: recently that you enjoy, traditions, something you're looking forward to, music, performing, arts, food, restaurants, travel.
Speaker 2: The list keeps going and going, so just family friendly
Speaker 2: things that you're comfortable talking about are great.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite question you like to ask
Speaker 1: people in small talk situations?
Speaker 2: So it depends on the crowd, but I like to
Speaker 2: ask people how they've been spending their time lately, or
Speaker 2: if I'm at a party, I like to ask people
Speaker 2: how they know the host or what brings them there,
Speaker 2: or if you're ever feeling really stuck commenting or I
Speaker 2: don't like the word stuck, but if you're ever feeling
Speaker 2: like you don't know what to say next, commenting on
Speaker 2: things that you're experiencing together with other people. So whether
Speaker 2: it's like the architecture or the flowers or the food
Speaker 2: that are part of an experience, like at a wedding reception,
Speaker 2: those are great to talk about too.
Speaker 1: And how does one politely exit a conversation. Let's say
Speaker 1: you're at a cocktail party or networking event, and obviously
Speaker 1: you don't want to monopolize people's time and you want
Speaker 1: to talk to lots of people. What's a polite way
Speaker 1: to exit a conversation?
Speaker 2: So to start, remember that when you go to a
Speaker 2: cocktail reception that your responsibility is not to talk to
Speaker 2: the first person that you see for the whole rest
Speaker 2: of the evening. But for some reason it can feel
Speaker 2: rude or wrong to separate yourself. But feel empowered to
Speaker 2: know that that's not the goal or that's not the expectation.
Speaker 2: Mixing and mingling is actually more polite as a guest,
Speaker 2: and so know that and then be really present in
Speaker 2: the conversation. So use eye contact, be nodding, talking with
Speaker 2: your hands, showing that you're paying attention. There should be
Speaker 2: a give and take, so you're asking some questions you're
Speaker 2: answering some questions, it doesn't feel like a one sided interview,
Speaker 2: and then very clearly wrap it up. Clarity is kind,
Speaker 2: ambiguity is not. And you certainly don't want to lie.
Speaker 2: So you don't want to say like I'm going to
Speaker 2: run to the restroom and I'll be right back. I'm
Speaker 2: going to refill my drink. Can they get you anything
Speaker 2: when you really have no intention of returning. Instead, say like,
Speaker 2: it was so wonderful to see you, I'll look forward
Speaker 2: to seeing you. I think we'll see you next week
Speaker 2: at the graduation or something like that, or say I
Speaker 2: hope you enjoy the rest of this evening. It's great
Speaker 2: when you can say I really enjoy talking to your
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we could catch up, and then insert
Speaker 2: specific facts about what you talked about so, which shows
Speaker 2: that you were paying attention. And then if you can,
Speaker 2: you can introduce someone to someone else if maybe they
Speaker 2: don't know as many people, and that can be a
Speaker 2: way to start a new conversation that you can then
Speaker 2: step away from. But you don't need to do that.
Speaker 2: Those are just some tools that you can use based
Speaker 2: on the situation.
Speaker 1: Excellent advice. Well, we're going to take a quick ad
Speaker 1: break and then I'll be back with more from Alison Shepherdack. Well,
Speaker 1: I am back talking with Alison Shepherdack, who's the author
Speaker 1: of Was It Something I Said? A sought after etiquette expert?
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a mouthful to say there.
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about business meals. What
Speaker 1: tends to go wrong in these situations? And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel awkward, especially if they're new
Speaker 1: in their careers. They're eating with people maybe from other
Speaker 1: organizations or different levels of their companies. What are some
Speaker 1: tips for having a good experience here?
Speaker 2: I would start with what to order. So if you
Speaker 2: are having a business meal, if you're the one who
Speaker 2: is putting the bill, like let's say you're having a
Speaker 2: client out to lunch, make sure that you're really clear
Speaker 2: on the budget that you can allocate for this meal,
Speaker 2: and that you're not going to blow the budget if
Speaker 2: the client happens to get something that's really expensive. If
Speaker 2: you are the person who is trying to decide what
Speaker 2: to have on a menu, generally getting something that's mid range,
Speaker 2: so not necessarily like the wagou beef and cavia, but
Speaker 2: also not a salad as your entree. You know, at
Speaker 2: a dinner kind of situation, middle of the road is best.
Speaker 2: You also want to be ordering things that are easy
Speaker 2: to eat, so French onion soup might be a better
Speaker 2: meal for a date night than a job interview. And
Speaker 2: things that you don't need to eat with your hands
Speaker 2: are better as often in a business meal you might
Speaker 2: be shaking hands with folks, So that's something to keep
Speaker 2: in mind. And you never want to come across as
Speaker 2: though you're taking advantage of this opportunity to indulge on
Speaker 2: you know. And this is the case whether it's a
Speaker 2: business meal or any meal where you're not paying for
Speaker 2: the mail yourself. You want to be really conscious of
Speaker 2: that and also be prepared to think to talk about
Speaker 2: things beyond work. And generally, if you are the one
Speaker 2: who is being hosted, let your host be the first
Speaker 2: one to bring up work. Sometimes it doesn't happen, and
Speaker 2: you know the dessert is coming and you're wondering when
Speaker 2: you're going to talk about the thing that you were
Speaker 2: thinking you were going to talk about for work purposes.
Speaker 2: But if you are the guest in a business context,
Speaker 2: it's nice to start with some of those like family
Speaker 2: friendly topics that we were talking about before that are
Speaker 2: good small talk topics.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, is there any polite weight to eat a burger?
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't order a burger on a job interview,
Speaker 1: but is there any way to do it and look dignified?
Speaker 2: So you can cut it in half? And the internet
Speaker 2: is definitely divided on no pun intended on this, but
Speaker 2: if you cut a burger in half and then eat
Speaker 2: it like a sandwich, it can be more manageable.
Speaker 1: Okay, so things aren't falling out everywhere. You have a
Speaker 1: list in your book of things to say when someone
Speaker 1: shares good news, some examples of things of ways you
Speaker 1: can sort of nicely celebrate with someone, and maybe some
Speaker 1: things to avoid. Can you talk about that with us?
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. So so often people can be really
Speaker 2: excited to share something and then they can feel deflated
Speaker 2: by the comments that they receive, even though that's not
Speaker 2: the intention. So things that are not the best to
Speaker 2: say when someone celebrating something are like what's next. Like
Speaker 2: let's say they just publish a book or they just
Speaker 2: you know, graduated, and it's like, well, what's next, And
Speaker 2: it's like, well, I'm just trying to enjoy this present
Speaker 2: moment and this present success before I talk about the
Speaker 2: next season, or saying something like better you than me,
Speaker 2: or saying like are you sure you're ready for that
Speaker 2: or anything that kind of inserts any sort of anxiety
Speaker 2: about that next season. So instead saying something like how
Speaker 2: are we celebrating? Or I'm so proud of you? Or
Speaker 2: you really work so hard for this, or it couldn't
Speaker 2: have happened to a better person, or you know, I
Speaker 2: can't like all of those kinds of things are much better.
Speaker 2: And you also don't want to make someone else's exciting
Speaker 2: news about you.
Speaker 1: So making sure not to say, oh, that's great that
Speaker 1: it happened to you, here's the thing that happened to me.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, or like if someone maybe achieved something that
Speaker 2: you once achieved, making it all about sharing your story
Speaker 2: of your achievement instead of letting them be the star
Speaker 2: in that moment.
Speaker 1: And the same idea of focusing on the other person
Speaker 1: comes into when you're giving somebody a compliment. I loved
Speaker 1: your advice on making sure that the compliment is about
Speaker 1: them and it's not about you towards them. I can
Speaker 1: can you explain a little bit about what that means.
Speaker 2: Yes, So instead of making the compliments seem like congratulations
Speaker 2: in my opinion, you know you vook fabulous or you
Speaker 2: did this so well, saying it more as like an
Speaker 2: observation that's about them. So like instead of I think
Speaker 2: you look beautiful in the color blue, you look beautiful
Speaker 2: in that color is something that's more about the other person.
Speaker 1: All right, So a good way to give a better
Speaker 1: compliment right there. You have some tips as well for
Speaker 1: being a good host. So let's say I'm having some
Speaker 1: people over to my house. What are some things I
Speaker 1: can do to extend that idea of etiquette being about
Speaker 1: kindness and putting people at ease into welcoming people into
Speaker 1: my house.
Speaker 2: So first you want to be thinking of the guests.
Speaker 2: So what are the questions that the guests will want
Speaker 2: to know or how can you make them feel more comfortable?
Speaker 2: So let them know like is this going to be
Speaker 2: a dinner? Is it going to be or derv Should
Speaker 2: they eat in advance? Will it be outside? Should they
Speaker 2: plan to wear shoes that are good on the grass,
Speaker 2: those kinds of things, And then be thinking about your
Speaker 2: guest lists and who you want to be introducing and
Speaker 2: if you're going to do a seating arrangement, I really
Speaker 2: like a seating arrangement, think about who you'd like to connect,
Speaker 2: Like maybe put your more gregarious friend next to your
Speaker 2: more shy friend. I really love a table that mixes
Speaker 2: people of different ages. Inner generational tables can be wonderful.
Speaker 2: They encourage kids to use their good dining etiquette and
Speaker 2: try different foods and have conversations that are maybe a
Speaker 2: little more sophisticated and they might otherwise and be willing
Speaker 2: to accept help. But know that you don't have to
Speaker 2: ask your guests for dietary restrictions before they come over.
Speaker 2: You don't need to necessarily make something if it's going
Speaker 2: to be very complicated. But always let any guest that
Speaker 2: has a dietary restriction bring something that would meet their
Speaker 2: needs if you know you're serving something that isn't going
Speaker 2: to be a good fit for them.
Speaker 1: That kind of a thing and for guests, you also
Speaker 1: talk about things that seem polite but aren't. I imagine
Speaker 1: one of those is showing up too early, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, showing up early is definitely a big one.
Speaker 2: This is not a dentist appointment. You don't want to
Speaker 2: be showing up early to a bridal shower, because anyone
Speaker 2: who's hosted anything knows that a lot of the magic
Speaker 2: happens in that final moment before the doors opened. Another
Speaker 2: thing that people think is polite but actually isn't is
Speaker 2: when a host says that you can get started or
Speaker 2: you can help yourself in the buffet, not getting in
Speaker 2: line because they're not starting because you don't want to
Speaker 2: be the first one. You actually can do that because
Speaker 2: a host, if they've told you to get started, they
Speaker 2: mean it, and it probably means like they want everybody
Speaker 2: to enjoy the food while it's warm. Put all these
Speaker 2: work into getting all these different dishes ready at the
Speaker 2: right temperature at the right time, So don't be afraid
Speaker 2: to do that. Another one is insisting on helping even
Speaker 2: in the host says they're all set. If a host
Speaker 2: says they're all set, that's fine. You don't need to
Speaker 2: feel guilty about not helping get the appetizers ready. Another
Speaker 2: one is cleaning up without asking a host their preferences.
Speaker 2: So maybe you have a survival of the Fittest approach
Speaker 2: to the dishwasher at home, but your host likes to
Speaker 2: handwash some of the pieces from her grandmother or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. Just ask before you assume and start cleaning
Speaker 2: things or putting things away the way that you might
Speaker 2: because it might not be the same.
Speaker 1: Always thinking about what the other person would want. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take one more quick ad break, and
Speaker 1: when I come back, I'm going to hear about Allison's
Speaker 1: time tracking, because it turns out that Allison is a
Speaker 1: fan of time tracking as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I am back talking with Alison Shepherdack, who is the
Speaker 1: author of Was It Something I Said? And is also
Speaker 1: an etiquette expert, and as it turns out, is a
Speaker 1: long term time tracker. So, Allison, you started tracking your
Speaker 1: time about the same time I did, over a decade ago,
Speaker 1: is that right?
Speaker 2: That's right. So I started. It was the summer before
Speaker 2: I went to law school, and it was all inspired
Speaker 2: by reading your book when it had first come out.
Speaker 2: And I started I think in July or August of
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, and I've never stopped, and it's been so
Speaker 2: helpful for me. I really admire your whole mindset and
Speaker 2: outlook on time and how people are a good use
Speaker 2: of time and how we often I think I had
Speaker 2: a I didn't have a very I had a biased
Speaker 2: view I think of how I spent my time until
Speaker 2: I started to look at it on paper and realize
Speaker 2: that as you write about we remember the extremes, but
Speaker 2: if we have the data, we can be less biased
Speaker 2: and our observations.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, are you tracking on paper? I mean, or
Speaker 1: what are you using an app? Excel? What are you
Speaker 1: what's your time trying to I?
Speaker 2: For a long time, I was not using it on paper,
Speaker 2: even though I kind of I do have some paper
Speaker 2: that I will use, Like I use paper for all
Speaker 2: of my tasks throughout the day that need to get
Speaker 2: done and so I manually cross them off. But for
Speaker 2: any sort of meeting or you know, I put everything
Speaker 2: in there, like getting ready for the day and shower
Speaker 2: and like every everything is in there, and I have
Speaker 2: that all digital. For me, it's easier because I can
Speaker 2: repeat them. I don't have to keep writing it down.
Speaker 2: So that's why I like it to be digital.
Speaker 1: Excellent. And do you have a morning routine? I understand
Speaker 1: that you have a morning routine.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do. So when I wake up, the first
Speaker 2: thing I do is I listen to a podcast or
Speaker 2: a book, a like podcast like this one and I
Speaker 2: empty the dishwasher because I always run the dishwasher last
Speaker 2: thing before I go to bed, So I empty the
Speaker 2: dishwasher and then I head to the gym, work out,
Speaker 2: come home, and then make breakfast and read the news
Speaker 2: as I'm having breakfast and get myself oriented for the day.
Speaker 1: What kind of workout do you like to do? Although
Speaker 1: I understand maybe that's not the best question to ask, now, Oh.
Speaker 2: It is perfectly okay. So I like to do solid core.
Speaker 2: I usually do solid or three times a week, and
Speaker 2: then I work with a personal trainer and do like
Speaker 2: heavy lifting three days a week. And then I try
Speaker 2: to and I don't do this all in the morning,
Speaker 2: but at some point throughout every day, I aim to
Speaker 2: get at least ten thousand steps.
Speaker 1: And what does a workday tend to look like for you?
Speaker 2: A workday? For me, not every day is exactly the same.
Speaker 2: And I have a very integrated approach to my work.
Speaker 2: So I'm not like I only work from nine to five,
Speaker 2: and I'll be bothered to get an email past five.
Speaker 2: I typically like while I'm reading the news, I'm also,
Speaker 2: you know, starting to look at emails in the morning,
Speaker 2: and I'm starting to get work done. I do different
Speaker 2: types of work on different days, and it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: the same every single week. Like I'll look at like,
Speaker 2: so I if i have speaking engagement, I know I'll
Speaker 2: be doing my hair and makeup for that, and so
Speaker 2: I'm also going to shoot a lot of content that
Speaker 2: day because I don't want to do my hair and
Speaker 2: makeup every day, and so I'm very efficient in that way.
Speaker 2: And then I try to do more things like filling
Speaker 2: out expense reports and admin type work and more logistical
Speaker 2: things all in the same chunk of time. And I
Speaker 2: generally plan out my weeks on a combination of Friday
Speaker 2: and Saturday, so by Sunday I have the schedule pretty
Speaker 2: much in place, so I know, like, these are the
Speaker 2: days I'm going to do on camera work, these are
Speaker 2: the days I'm going to do writing, these are the
Speaker 2: days and you know, going to be traveling or have
Speaker 2: less control over some logistics. So I don't know if
Speaker 2: that were the perfect answer to your question, but every
Speaker 2: day is a little bit different. But I have my
Speaker 2: like non negotiables for the day and my non negotiables
Speaker 2: for the week, and I find a way to fit
Speaker 2: them in.
Speaker 1: Do you mean non negotiables, both professionally and personally.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so whether it's like so I have no
Speaker 2: negotiables professionally, especially on the daily in terms of the
Speaker 2: amount of content that I put out. So I'm typically
Speaker 2: posting three times to Instagram and then I'm syndicating that
Speaker 2: content to other social media platforms. And I have like
Speaker 2: a certain number of subtack articles that I'm writing a week,
Speaker 2: so I'm not necessarily writing them at the same time
Speaker 2: every single week, but I'm definitely getting them done.
Speaker 1: Got it, Got it? And since you travel a lot
Speaker 1: with a lot of your different engagements where you're teaching
Speaker 1: etiquette to different audiences, I'm curious if you have a
Speaker 1: travel etiquette faux pas that you see people doing a
Speaker 1: lot that drives you crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, I could go on and on about this, but
Speaker 2: one of them is in people. Oh there's so many things,
Speaker 2: but when people have been waiting in line, when they're
Speaker 2: like not ready when it's their turn in line, when
Speaker 2: it's like a surprise that they need their boarding pass
Speaker 2: or they need their ID or and then another one
Speaker 2: is when as soon as the airplane lands and it's
Speaker 2: not your turn, like getting up as if that's going
Speaker 2: to make things faster or you know, that's another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like some it was rushing from the back
Speaker 1: of the plane. It's like, sorry, buddy, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. There's like two hundred people in
Speaker 1: front of you and it's a small space.
Speaker 2: So yeah, time I would say, yeah. Luckily, I don't
Speaker 2: think this happens as much because now some airlines have
Speaker 2: policies against it. But basically listening to anything without ear
Speaker 2: pods or earphones in I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it either, But I don't know. Some
Speaker 1: people hope springs eternal, perhaps that nobody else can hear it,
Speaker 1: or else they're just not thinking about it. So Allison,
Speaker 1: I always ask my guests, what is something you have
Speaker 1: done recently to take a day from great to awesome.
Speaker 2: So recently, and this is not an advertisement at all,
Speaker 2: but I started using an app or program called Superhuman
Speaker 2: for email and it's been really helpful for me. I
Speaker 2: have several email accounts, and I get a lot of
Speaker 2: spam emails just by the nature of the work that
Speaker 2: I do in the public nature of my email. So
Speaker 2: it's been very, very helpful in streamlining that whole process.
Speaker 2: It sort of gamifies answer and emails, and there is
Speaker 2: some AI that can help you with some like I
Speaker 2: have a lot of emails that the exact same response
Speaker 2: would be appropriate for, so it makes it easier to
Speaker 2: streamline that process.
Speaker 1: And does it actually allow you to spend less time
Speaker 1: on email? I mean you track your time, so wait
Speaker 1: as you know, yeah, okay, all right, like a lot
Speaker 1: less time.
Speaker 2: Significantly less well. And also I had gotten to a
Speaker 2: point where my email was feeling like daunting and I
Speaker 2: was procrastinating on it and it was becoming overwhelming. So
Speaker 2: so it's been really positive in that way.
Speaker 1: Excellent, Alison. Where can people find you?
Speaker 2: You can find me at Elevateetiquette dot com and then
Speaker 2: also at Elevate Etiquette on Instagram, TikTok YouTube threads, and
Speaker 2: then at the Elevate Edit on substack and then my
Speaker 2: book was it something I said? Is available in all
Speaker 2: formats wherever books are sold.
Speaker 1: Well, awesome, Well Allison, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone for listening. If you have feedback
Speaker 1: about this or any other episode, you can always reach
Speaker 1: me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: this is Laura. Thanks for listening, and here's to making
Speaker 1: the most of our time. Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast.
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