WEBVTT - Managers Matter w/Scott Miller

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at what major league managers make, there

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<v Speaker 1>are some college baseball coaches that make more than some

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<v Speaker 1>major league managers.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we've got Scott Miller joining us right now. New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times contributor and Fresh Book appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yesterday, it actually hit the shelves yesterday. It became available,

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<v Speaker 1>So Eddie, as they say wherever books are sold, or

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<v Speaker 1>as we say today, Amazon dot com, Target dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>Barnesandoble dot com, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Or Scott Miller's gonna send me a free one because

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<v Speaker 3>all those damn interviews I did, for all those years

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<v Speaker 3>of them. So at some point I'm expecting an autograph

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<v Speaker 3>copy to show up at my house.

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<v Speaker 1>AJ, I'll be happy to I. Yeah, I knew AJ

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<v Speaker 1>when he was a young up and comer with the

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota Twins when I was covering them.

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<v Speaker 3>And your hair is a little different. What's our hair

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<v Speaker 3>was a little diff Your hair was a little different,

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<v Speaker 3>Scot back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I don't know if you had a beard

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<v Speaker 1>back then, but you know Tom.

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly, Tom Kelly, there was no beards being allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Kelly's world. You were no sunglasses, You weren't allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to wear sunglasses. You weren't you had to wear your jersey.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no like pullovers.

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<v Speaker 1>Twins didn't pay for shaving cream.

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<v Speaker 3>We had to buy our own fleeces. At one point,

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<v Speaker 3>man Terry Ryan had to buy his own shorts. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>God knows all these story that's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to TK for a while. He's in the

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<v Speaker 1>book about managing during his time. AJ, you'll get a

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<v Speaker 1>kick out of this. I wanted to talk to TK

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<v Speaker 1>for many reasons. Tom Kelly managed the Twins back in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties and nineties, in eighty seven and ninety one

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<v Speaker 1>or two World Series wins. So anyway, I covered TK

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<v Speaker 1>and the Twins from ninety four to ninety nine. AJ

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<v Speaker 1>came up during that time and we got to know

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<v Speaker 1>each other a little bit. But anyway, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things I wanted to do in the book, among other things,

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<v Speaker 1>shows how managing used to be and how it is now,

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of comparing contrast the famous John Smoltz Game

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<v Speaker 1>seven in nineteen ninety one World Series, the ten inning

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<v Speaker 1>you know strong complete game performance against you know in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, when Kevin Cash famously hooked Blake Snell early

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<v Speaker 1>before he faced the Dodgers, lineup the third time and

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Cash, God bless him. He was great. I know

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<v Speaker 1>he's tired of talking about the topic, but anyway, two

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<v Speaker 1>extremes of how baseball used to be. Anyway, ajack back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Tom Kelly things. So that's one thing I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do in the book. So I called t K,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, I haven't been through Minnesota in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I always preferred doing interviews in person because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>better than you know, on the phone. So I called

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<v Speaker 1>TK a couple of years, you know, when I started

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<v Speaker 1>this project, and he answers and he and I ended up.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a good relationship, even though he could be cantankerous.

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<v Speaker 1>So I tell TK what the issue is or what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for to try to talk to him. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to come to the Twin Cities, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sit down over lunch, maybe spend some time with you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about managing. And Tom Kelly says, Scottie, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even talk to my wife that much. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have lunch. You don't need to come to the

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<v Speaker 1>Twins City. Now I'm like, oh, man, I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you. So we keep talking and he says Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, I don't even know why i'd want to

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<v Speaker 1>help somebody write a book anyway. Oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>losing it, you know. I'm like, oh, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>give him my best pitch. I'm like, Tom, you won

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<v Speaker 1>two World Series in nineteen eighty seven and nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 1>You were a great manager. But you know, all the publicity,

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<v Speaker 1>all the pub comes out of the East coast New

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<v Speaker 1>York or the West coast. I said, I really would

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<v Speaker 1>like to have you in my book. So we talked

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. Finally he says, all right, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I'm gonna say it. I'll help you,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, but I can give you a few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to call me next week. So we

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<v Speaker 1>agree on Monday, he's golfing in the morning. I'll call

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<v Speaker 1>around noon. Okay, great. I call him three and a

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<v Speaker 1>half hours on the phone. He was superb.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, of course, that's it's such TK. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I could tell you I told the story before.

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<v Speaker 4>TK.

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<v Speaker 3>I never knew I made the major leagues until Tom

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly had a conversation with me where he wasn't like

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<v Speaker 3>telling me how I'm crappy.

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<v Speaker 4>I was he just came up to you one day.

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<v Speaker 3>In my locker. He was like, Hey, you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>in the fantasy football league.

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<v Speaker 4>This is like.

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<v Speaker 3>June, and I was like, I made it.

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<v Speaker 4>He actually talked to me like a normal human.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, if you're there, I'm doing okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how managing used to be. Though. I told

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<v Speaker 1>to Dan Peatree, who played He was the number two

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<v Speaker 1>pitcher Jack Morris's number one for the nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 1>Tigers World CERTA his team and Sparky Anderson was similar.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we all know Sparky either by reputation or

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with him as being this affable guy, but he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to get to know his players. Partly, he

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<v Speaker 1>used to say, because I know one day I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to release them or trade them, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be too painful, so I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>know them. And anyway, Dan Petrie told me he pitched

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<v Speaker 1>for Sparky. He said when he first came up, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>we were scared the death of Sparky. He said. The

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<v Speaker 1>only time you ever went into Sparky's office was a

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<v Speaker 1>if he's going to send you down to the minor

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<v Speaker 1>leagues or b if he was going to chew your

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<v Speaker 1>ass over something that happened in the game. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he never stopped by to say good job, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I never wanted to talk to Sparky. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to keep letting him do my job. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you know, managing back then versus managing today

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<v Speaker 1>is all about communicating with your players.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure I hammer the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the books and people can find it online available. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Scott said, everywhere skipper, why baseball managers matter and always will.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's fast forward to now, did you get into

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<v Speaker 2>the state of managers in today's game, the psychology game,

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<v Speaker 2>the way that they have to work with the front

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<v Speaker 2>office on setting the lineup and any other kind of

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<v Speaker 2>prep and why the manager still matters so much now

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<v Speaker 2>even though they essentially have less power or have to

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<v Speaker 2>spread the power around amongst the organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely kind of in a nutshell, Scott, the book

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<v Speaker 1>is it starts in the late seventies when managers had

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<v Speaker 1>all the power, you know, Billy Martin, Earl Weaver, Sparky Anderson.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it starts in late seventies because that's when

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<v Speaker 1>the very first rudimentary computers were available to the public.

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<v Speaker 1>So I kind of that's why I picked them to

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<v Speaker 1>start to kind of move from then to now as

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<v Speaker 1>manager and the game change as computers moved into all

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives and changed every aspect of it. So

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<v Speaker 1>the book kind of goes looks at managing from the

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<v Speaker 1>late seventies to now, what the job was like then,

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like now, how we got from then to now,

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<v Speaker 1>and why we got from then to now, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>today's job. It's interesting what the job Aaron Boone is

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<v Speaker 1>doing today in New York. If you just look at

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<v Speaker 1>a list of Yankees managers, you know you'll see whatever

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Martin, Bob Lemon, Joe Torrey, and on paper, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the lineage. But the job Aaron Boone is doing in

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<v Speaker 1>New York today as a manager is completely different than

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<v Speaker 1>the job Joe Tory did or any other manager did

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. And that's true for all organizations.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you find any crossovers. Did you find any manager

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<v Speaker 4>like like Aaron Boone is now from back in the

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<v Speaker 4>seventies and eighties, more of that like player kind of happy,

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<v Speaker 4>go lucky, not as much of a hard ass or

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<v Speaker 4>did you find anybody that's currently more like a Sparky

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<v Speaker 4>Anderson or a Tom Kelly in the game dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of snowflake players.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I would say Jim Leland's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>like Sparky and Casey Stango from the standpoint of of

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<v Speaker 1>remember famously in the early nineties when he and Barry

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<v Speaker 1>Bonds got into it in spring training very publicly. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for Jim Leland doesn't take any guff. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got that philosophical side where the way he speaks

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<v Speaker 1>it just sounds like a wise philosopher. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>that that would be one I would say, Eric. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the interesting thing is the question keeps coming up, could

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<v Speaker 1>a guy managing today and name any one of the

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<v Speaker 1>thirty man going right now, could he have managed back then?

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<v Speaker 1>Or could like Earl Weaver manage today? And I think

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<v Speaker 1>there are a handful of guys today probably could manage

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<v Speaker 1>back then. I mean, you know, Bruce Bouchie obviously has

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<v Speaker 1>proven his stripes. You know that that's that's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that that could manage. I think in any era, probably

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty Baker, you know, Leland they're a handful of guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a ton of them. And you know, Bochie

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<v Speaker 1>told me in the book, you know, I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of crosses a couple of different generations, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, the biggest change in his job is when

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<v Speaker 1>he first started managing. He said, I used to when

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<v Speaker 1>I first started managing the job, I would tell players

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. He said, Now, as I manage it,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just tell players what to do. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>requires an explanation. You know, Hey, I need you to

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<v Speaker 1>do this for this reason, or hey, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is why we're we're wanting you to do this. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of got to come. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if Eric you I love I love you,

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<v Speaker 1>said snowflake players. And there are different different different feelings there.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, managers today have to be so much more

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<v Speaker 1>better at communicating with their players and relationships than old

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<v Speaker 1>school managers did. And you know, I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at managing today and Sandy Alderson, I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to executives as well as managers as well as players

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<v Speaker 1>and ex players, you know, trying to get a handle

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<v Speaker 1>on all of it. And Sandy Alderson said, managing today

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<v Speaker 1>in your tool bag. You've got to have a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of skill set that guys forty years ago didn't need,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And that's where the difference has come in

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<v Speaker 1>about why the job is different today then back then.

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<v Speaker 4>Big news was made when Craig Council got his forty

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<v Speaker 4>million dollar contract to leave a division rival and go

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<v Speaker 4>manage the Cubs. Dave Roberts has since eclipsed his annual value.

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<v Speaker 4>But should they be paid more? Should they be paid

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<v Speaker 4>With the way the player's salary is going up, managerial

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<v Speaker 4>salaries have not kept up.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're right. That's a great point. And I did

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Craig Counsel in the book about that. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at what major league managers make compared

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<v Speaker 1>to NBA coaches, NFL coaches, even college football and basketball coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>and believe it or not, there are some college baseball

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<v Speaker 1>coaches like Tim Corbin, the great coach at Vanderbilt, that

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<v Speaker 1>make more than some major league managers do. Major league

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<v Speaker 1>manager salaries have been depressed for years, and it's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>because you all know, I don't have to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what a long season it is and almost required, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not just managing. Obviously, the games and the obvious things

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<v Speaker 1>that go with it. But you know these guys today,

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<v Speaker 1>especially take Dave Roberts in Los Angeles. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets pulled as if he's made of taffy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got to deal with the players, he's got to work

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<v Speaker 1>with a baseball front baseball operations department that wants him

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<v Speaker 1>to do certain things. One day, the marketing department of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers may come in and said, hey, we need

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<v Speaker 1>you to speak at a statue dedication ceremony. Or when

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<v Speaker 1>Vin Scully retired, after Vin's last game, there's Dave out

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<v Speaker 1>on the field kind of being mc is they lead

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<v Speaker 1>a ceremony for Vin Scully. And there's so much today

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<v Speaker 1>that goes into it. And yet you're right, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>get paid very much relatively speaking. And you know Craig

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<v Speaker 1>Council said, among other things, you know when he was

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<v Speaker 1>in Milwaukee, he said, yeah, he said, every single day

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<v Speaker 1>we got to do as baseball managers. We got to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the press before the game, after the game. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you talk one hundred and sixty two game season that

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<v Speaker 1>my math isn't good. AJ may need to help me here.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and sixty two games, pre and postgame. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what that's. That's you know, three hundred and twenty some

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<v Speaker 1>press conferences a year, let alone off days, spring training,

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<v Speaker 1>on and on and on special when breaking news happens.

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<v Speaker 1>And Consol said, whenever I bump into in the offseason,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Green Bay Packers coach or the Milwaukee Bucks coach,

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<v Speaker 1>he said that was that would be the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that would leave them shaking their heads. They're like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how you meet with the media that much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>Agreed, agreed, But this is this is all to me,

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<v Speaker 3>the declining power of a major league manager. He used

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<v Speaker 3>to be the manager had all the power. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>manager Tom Kelly, Like we had Terry Ryan as our GM.

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<v Speaker 3>Terry Ryan, honestly, yeah, he had power to make player moves.

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<v Speaker 3>But Tom Kelly'd be like, I don't want him to

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<v Speaker 3>come up, and I want I need a guy this,

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<v Speaker 3>and Terry would say, all right, I'm gonna bring up

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<v Speaker 3>Praszinski and Tom Kelly say, Nope, not him, I want

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<v Speaker 3>anybody else, right, And that was a difference.

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<v Speaker 4>It's changed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the roles have kind of reversed, Like now

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<v Speaker 3>it's GM has power.

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<v Speaker 4>Managers a little bit. But it used to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the manager was the end all be all

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<v Speaker 3>of the baseball organization and they got paid like it

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's kind of flip flop.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it's good or bad.

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<v Speaker 3>God, I'll let you tell me the answer to this question.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it good or bad?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, probably like anything else, not to give you

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<v Speaker 1>a wishy washy answer. Ajay, it's probably. You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are probably some good aspects and some bad aspects. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one thing going way back, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean to date myself, and this actually was when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid, but say, in nineteen seventy six, Mark

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<v Speaker 1>the bird Fiedrich came up to the Tigers as a rookie,

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<v Speaker 1>famously just took the game by storm. He is a rookie.

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<v Speaker 1>He started the All Star Game that year, and he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up getting hurt the next spring and he never

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<v Speaker 1>reached those heights again. And I bring him up because

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<v Speaker 1>that rookie year in nineteen seventy six, he threw like

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty four innings. I mean it was nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about innings limits and how that we watched

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<v Speaker 1>pitchers like hawks today and so on. One hand. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ralph Howell kept running him out there. It's probably good

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<v Speaker 1>to have some guardrails on managers today in that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the front office steps into a degree and says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to really take care. We don't want this

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<v Speaker 1>guy throwing too many innings. If he goes from pitching

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<v Speaker 1>seventy innings last year to two hundred and fifty innings

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<v Speaker 1>this year, he's going to blow his arm out, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what happened to Mark Fiederich's way back when. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's to a degree probably good that there are some

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<v Speaker 1>checks and balances on managers today. But on the flip side, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be we create a dicey situation because you

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<v Speaker 1>know right now, as fans, as media people like us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know so many people. And that's why I ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being interested in writing the books. So many people

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<v Speaker 1>look and say, do managers even matter anymore? They're more

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<v Speaker 1>like middle managers. You know, they've been neutered, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know most of their influence now is in We hear

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<v Speaker 1>so much about building a culture, a team culture, and

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<v Speaker 1>communicating with players and kind of selling the front office's

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<v Speaker 1>vision of the team. Manager has to kind of sell

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<v Speaker 1>that to the players individually. You know, certainly a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the passion has taken out of the game. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, who didn't love Earl Weaver or

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<v Speaker 1>Sparky Anderson or Billy Martin just going nuts on an umpire.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that would fire up a whole stadium, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it kept the game interesting, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with managing not being what it was, certainly I think

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<v Speaker 1>it removes some of the soul and humanity from the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott, we appreciate the time. The book sounds awesome, cannot

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<v Speaker 2>wait to dive into it. I'm just going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a yes or no because we're at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that Pete Rose will be voted into

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall? Would you have voted him into the Hall?

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<v Speaker 2>So give me a yes or no on each one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say no. I don't think he will be

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<v Speaker 1>I think it may take a while because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think executives and Hall of Famers that are voting will

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<v Speaker 1>be ready right away to vote him. Man, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would I think yesterday's ruling diminishes the integrity of the

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<v Speaker 1>game to a degree.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice Okay, obviously, AJ's on the same page. We spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time on that earlier Scott. Great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you on. We'll have you back soon. Good luck

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<v Speaker 2>with the book and we'll pump it again.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be waiting for my autograph cup, the best interview.

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<v Speaker 1>A thank you, text me your address will be We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in touch. Thank you guys. Really enjoyed being with you.