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Speaker 1: than two thousand casualties and nearly eleven thousand wounded, many

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking, this is listening to that because

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Speaker 3: like Sinwar has been killed, the leader of Amas and

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Speaker 3: the mastermind of October seventh. And I was going to

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Speaker 3: be more obvious when Israel does attack Iran, which they're

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Speaker 3: planning to do. That's why we thought we'd bring Mike

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Speaker 3: Lyons in. He's our go to guy anything military. We

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Speaker 3: First of all, Sinwar being dead. If that's true's good news.

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Speaker 2: Hey Mike, Hey one of guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. It's not the end or anything

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Speaker 4: is others there within Hamas that will, you know, look

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Speaker 4: I think you're looking at there's a deputy leader. There's

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Speaker 4: next one on the target, you know, Israel. It's kind

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Speaker 4: decapitation strategy. We saw what they did and let in

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Speaker 4: the Pager operation. This is much more difficult, much more

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Speaker 4: precision strikes. But this is a good start, but surely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the reason we wanted to have you on

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Speaker 3: was the news came out yesterday that Israel is ready

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Speaker 3: to attack Iran. They are going to attack Iran, and

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Speaker 3: it is going to be before the election, So sometime

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Speaker 2: What do you.

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Speaker 4: Expect to happen, Well, I think the administration is going

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Speaker 4: to no longer put red lines on our allies, which

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Speaker 4: And we saw yesterday, now what it was, We saw

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Speaker 4: an indirect message to the Iranians to stop taking our

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Speaker 2: Just since you brought that up, I just saw that headline.

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Speaker 3: So that's the first time we had used our B

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Speaker 4: It is, And and they go along way. Those are

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Speaker 4: So I think that's that's a we're good at sending messages.

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Speaker 4: But I would take it a step further if if

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Speaker 4: I'm the US president or the chiefest Staff, you're advising

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Speaker 4: what you're going to see, so less less red lines

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's interesting. I didn't know that would be your take.

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Speaker 2: So well, what was it?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you might know it. I read the

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Speaker 4: the United States. Now, I'm glad we're going after the Houthis.

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Speaker 4: We got lolled into it a little bit, and it

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Speaker 4: Israel probably will never forgive itself for what happened on

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Speaker 4: de terms. With Iron Trump as president for four years,

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Speaker 4: he definitely acts tougher and acts more afraid, kind of

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Speaker 4: goes the the Reagan way of de Terrens about speak softly,

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Speaker 4: carry a big stick, and that crazy every once in

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Speaker 4: a while, right, And then these last four years with

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Speaker 4: with with Brydon and Corla Harris, I just don't know

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Speaker 4: what's where they're going. They again they give red lines

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Speaker 4: to our allies, which is a non starter. They we're

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Speaker 4: supporting them and not supporting this. And it's based on

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Speaker 4: a voting block where in Michigan or Minnesota or someplace.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just we've got to get back to

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Speaker 4: what's important for the United States, what's important for our

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Speaker 4: national security, and how we're going to project power. And

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Speaker 4: I hope, hope we start doing that again.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you time to Mike today. Mike. I follow you

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Speaker 2: all the time and other people should. At m a J.

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Speaker 3: Mike Lines, Major Mike Lines, thanks for your time today

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Speaker 3: and insight and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Thanks. I seen that later. So hopefull cool.

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Speaker 2: Ye tune it in Armstrong and Getty