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Speaker 1: no singing of old lang Zine. But it is the

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Speaker 1: start of the new year in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Most of it in twenty twenty six, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of it in twenty twenty seven. And that's where we

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Speaker 1: start and go on this edition of Defending the Kingdom,

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Speaker 1: examining free agency and more with a special two special guests.

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Speaker 1: And it's all brought to you by Ticketmaster. And so

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Speaker 1: here we go. The homes in the pocket will step up,

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Speaker 1: you'll scrabble ten fines, diving touchdown chanceas City.

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mitch Holt's voice of the Kansas City Chiefs along

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Speaker 1: with senior team reporter Matt McMullen.

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Speaker 2: It is the start of a new year, and.

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Speaker 3: We're through the legal tampering period when all the stuff

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Speaker 3: goes off on Twitter and everyone thinks it's official, and

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Speaker 3: then the Max Crosby deal gets mixed. That's exactly what

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Speaker 3: we were talking about, that things aren't official until Pennhet's paper.

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Speaker 4: You never know.

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Speaker 1: Ellie's not here, nor is my wife Tammy, your wife, Ellie.

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Speaker 1: But it is happy New Year, yes, and there we go.

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Speaker 1: Thanks are official that's official now with the confetti dropping

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Speaker 1: on our head, and we hope the league year before

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Speaker 1: it's completely over, but almost over. Is another drop of

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Speaker 1: confetti in Super Bowl sixty one. But that's where this starts.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I mean, let's talk about that first, because

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Speaker 1: in my brief thirty three years in the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: like what just happened? But it is a sign of

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Speaker 1: we're so quick for agents to get news out. They

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Speaker 1: it in social media primarily, but even that leads to

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Speaker 1: the traditional media in linear media. But wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: hold the fort because that deal. Now, think of the

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Speaker 1: two days and things that happened, not just with the

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Speaker 1: be trade of Max Kraz to the Ravens and what

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Speaker 1: other teams did strategically based upon that, and then whoops, nope,

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Speaker 1: didn't happen. Just Men in Black the old movie like

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Speaker 1: it evaporated, So no Max Cross betrayed.

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Speaker 2: This is a deal. Now, this is a real thing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because then twelve hours later, the Ravens signed Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a big domino. It changed everything. You know,

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Speaker 3: we saw this in years past. It happened with ironically,

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Speaker 3: Remember Azadarius Smith a few years ago, ironically was reported

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's at five percent that I mean, this one,

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Speaker 1: can have conspiracy theorists now that can say, well, wait

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Speaker 2: Because like, what are we doing? What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Because then you know, you and I, like we talked

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Speaker 1: One his mom was awesome now it is awesome, and

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Speaker 2: But he came to Smith Center. You know, every year

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Speaker 3: He did an event at the Kansas City's Doing Aquarium,

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Speaker 3: We'll see him and Jalen Watson, and Jalen's a great

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Speaker 3: We love Trent and he helped this team win two

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Speaker 3: We get another year with him, and I think there's

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Speaker 3: So it says a lot about him. I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve thousand snaps and he's thirty six years old,

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Speaker 1: They're exciting when they show up on the field and

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Speaker 1: But we get ready now to move on looking at

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Speaker 2: We do that.

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Speaker 1: Free agency in the National Football League, this were fans

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Speaker 2: Of that leads to this discussion.

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Speaker 1: So your thoughts, let's say your top offensive free agent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go first. Okay, this is one of my

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Speaker 4: And it kind of fits of Hunion too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not at all.

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Speaker 3: This is like at midnight you're told, like, hey, Jack

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Speaker 2: The Viking guys a Georgia Southern quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Like, I mean, what does he have left? Turns out

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Speaker 3: We don't win the super Bowl in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: This is the most unselfish play. Yeah, I think in

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Speaker 1: his grandkids. I scored a touchdown of the Super Bowl.

439
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Speaker 1: I went down at the one, which is a greater

440
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Speaker 1: story for the great grandkids and grandkids.

441
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Speaker 3: But still, yeah, no, and even just the Wherewithal. I

442
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 3: mean we've seen it over the years in big games

443
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 3: where you're supposed to go down but you just don't

444
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: because your entire life you've been told to go after

445
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: the end zone and you're in the Super Bowl and

446
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 3: all this and you're like, ah, it'll be fine. I mean,

447
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: who knows what happens in that game if Jeric doesn't

448
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: go down. So yeah, I mean the football intelligence also

449
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: just such a great player This is my favorite Jerrek's stat.

450
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Speaker 4: It's just hilarious to me.

451
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, he had nine receiving touchdowns and

452
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 3: most of them were in the back half of the year.

453
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Speaker 3: I remember kind of putting it in a context back

454
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Speaker 3: then he was tied with Jamar Chase for the most

455
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 3: receiving touchdowns in the league since like Week eight or something.

456
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 3: I mean, just hilarious. Jeric was so good for this team.

457
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: Felt like kind of like with a Taekwon when I

458
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 3: was talking about him earlier. Whenever we needed a spark,

459
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: whenever he was here, he would be that guy. Like

460
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: remember the game against the Raiders. We were down seventeen

461
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Speaker 3: to nothing. I got of nowhere and it's like, are

462
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Speaker 3: we going to lose to the Raiders at home on

463
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 3: Monday night football? And it was third down and Jeric

464
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 3: wasn't the biggest guy, but we handed the ball off

465
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Speaker 3: and he ran for like eighteen yards, just dragging tacklers

466
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Speaker 3: with him, and we never looked back. Like so many

467
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: third and twenties, He catch a screen MC ten guys,

468
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: miss Nick Bosa, crashes into somebody else and we.

469
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Speaker 4: End up winning that game. Just could go on and on.

470
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Speaker 3: Jack McKinnon was an awesome signing and a good example

471
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Speaker 3: of how, even though it wasn't like a big deal

472
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Speaker 3: at the time, you never know when you get a

473
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Speaker 3: guy in here what they can do inside your culture.

474
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Speaker 1: And now he's become a reference point because we hope

475
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Speaker 1: Burchard Smith can become him. Yeah, okay, and it'll be

476
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Speaker 1: a big year hopefully for Burchard Smith. But we go,

477
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Speaker 1: can he be a Jerke McKinnon, So he's so good

478
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Speaker 1: that he became a reference point.

479
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Speaker 4: You're a benchmark. So you're Neil Armstrong.

480
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: Can you walk on the moon? We will hug you

481
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Speaker 1: at the reunion. But man fond memories. Mine is Joe Tooney.

482
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Speaker 1: When you think about Joe Tooney signed on March the seventeenth,

483
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Speaker 1: so he's part of the frenzy. Then the calendar was

484
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Speaker 1: a week later at that point, but on March seventeenth,

485
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Speaker 1: so Saint Patti's Day. In twenty twenty one, we get

486
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Speaker 1: Joe Toney from the New England Patriots where he had

487
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Speaker 1: won Super Bowl. But a five year, eighty million dollar deal,

488
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Speaker 1: so look at it in terms of like fifteen million

489
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Speaker 1: dollars a year, expensive for alignment at the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know would you pay that for a five

491
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Speaker 1: time Pro bowler here, three time Pro bowler here, two

492
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Speaker 1: time All Pro first team record in the regular season,

493
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Speaker 1: fifty one wins and fifteen losses, nine to two in

494
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and he had four sacks and sixty six

495
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: regular season games four sacks allowed. And then his move

496
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Speaker 1: to tackle. We do not get the Super Bowl fifty

497
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Speaker 1: nine if he does not move to tackle. And he

498
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: was not a tackle, he's a guard, and we saw that.

499
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Speaker 1: I gave the analogy of wrestling. I love high school

500
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Speaker 1: and college wrestling, but it's the one hundred and sixty

501
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: seven pound wrestler that has to wrestle one eighty five

502
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: and he got to state, but then you're wrestling the

503
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: state champion one eighty five and he got pinned. But

504
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Speaker 1: Joe Tooney is one of the most impactful I think

505
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: value this was not overpaying for a guy, and then

506
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Speaker 1: his influence as well to be a part of two

507
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl championships and the attempt to run it back.

508
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Speaker 3: Joe's a Hall of famer, right, Pro football, Yeah, think

509
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: about it like he's a Pro Football Hall of Famer.

510
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: And even in his one year in Chicago, so far

511
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: Win's Protector of the Year. He's a Hall of Famer.

512
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: It's incredible. All the guy does is win wherever he goes.

513
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: Doesn't get enough credit, to your point for playing left

514
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: tackle for us the back half of twenty four because

515
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: of how it ended in the super Bowl.

516
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Speaker 4: That wasn't all on Joe. That was a collective effort.

517
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Speaker 2: Yep.

518
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Speaker 3: We don't get to the Super Bowl even close to

519
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: it without Joe Toney that year. Doesn't get credit for

520
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: playing left tackle against the Bills in the AFC Championship

521
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: Game or the Texans in the Divisional round with Will

522
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Speaker 3: Anderson Junior and Daniel Hunter on the other side. Yeah,

523
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of those signings that you hope

524
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Speaker 3: works out right, like during the frenzy. You're paying this

525
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: guy for future performance to be a Hall of Famer

526
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Speaker 3: at that position, and it worked out better than I

527
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Speaker 3: think any of us could ever have expected. I think

528
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Speaker 3: it's a fun juxtaposition because as you can hit home

529
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: runs early on in free agency like with Joe, and

530
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: you can also do it later like with Jack.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Perfect, All right, you're a defensive free agent.

532
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: Is it fair for me to go first here? Do

533
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Speaker 4: you want to go first.

534
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: You can go first.

535
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Well how about another one of my favorite chiefs ever,

536
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: Tyrone Matthew. Oh yeah, I think this is good in

537
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: the context of the Kenneth Walker signing too, because we're

538
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 3: bringing Kenneth Walker here to change the culture of the

539
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: running back room, to bring some juice, to bring some energy,

540
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Speaker 3: to be that guy. When we brought Tyron Matthew in

541
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 3: way back in twenty nineteen, that was the same mandate

542
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: is Hey, we got so close to the Super Bowl

543
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: the prior year in twenty eighteen, but we need to

544
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: have a change of identity on defense. And we brought

545
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Speaker 3: in Tyron Matthew and traded for Frank Clark, and Tyrone

546
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: was just the ultimate leader. He changed the defense, changed

547
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 3: it along with SPACs. And we don't win the Super

548
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: Bowl in twenty nineteen without Tyron Matthew and such an

549
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: amazing guy and story. And it's kind of cool he's

550
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: now that he's retired, he's kind of back in Chiefs Kingdom.

551
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 5: Now.

552
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: We had him on a field pass last year. But

553
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 3: Tyron Matthew is one of those guys that I think

554
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: was a cap casualty when we got him. This was

555
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: just a cap casualty and he was out there and

556
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: all the wizards on Twitter are like, ah, there's not

557
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: enough money, not enough money, and then before you know it,

558
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: Tyron Matthew was a chief worked out pretty well.

559
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Speaker 2: Yep.

560
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Speaker 1: Kind of Toney as well, was a little bit of

561
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Speaker 1: a cap casualty for New England at the time. So

562
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: my defensive player is Justin Reid that there's something about

563
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day because it was Saint Patrick's Day just

564
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Speaker 1: a year later. Remember Joe Tooney was signed on March seventeen,

565
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. To your point, changing culture, trying to

566
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Speaker 1: after twenty one, there was the sour taste of losing

567
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game to the Bengals and not getting

568
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: key stops of trying to get them off the field.

569
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Speaker 2: That was a winnable game. We were up twenty one

570
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Speaker 2: to ten.

571
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Speaker 4: Staring wheel Pounder. Yes, absolutely, But.

572
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Speaker 1: Justin Reid came in on March seventeen, Saint Patti's Day

573
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Speaker 1: of twy twenty two. Now in his time here in

574
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Kansas City, so back to back Super Bowl championships, but

575
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: thirty nine to ten was his regular season record in

576
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: his forty nine games, and then in the playoffs nine

577
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: to one, with two Super Bowl titles and then an

578
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: attempt to win.

579
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Speaker 2: Three in a row.

580
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: I remember the heartbreak I felt, not only getting blown

581
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: out by the Eagles, but near the end of the

582
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: game justin New again cap situation.

583
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: He was not going to be back.

584
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Speaker 1: I saw him hug everybody around the defense as the

585
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: seconds tickdown. And just a phenomenal person. He'll be governor

586
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: of probably two states someday and maybe President of the

587
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: United States. Tough guy, smart guy, great guy. The value

588
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: he signed a three year deal for thirty one and

589
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: a half million dollars, so basically eleven million a year

590
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: less than that, and so it wasn't an overall and

591
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: twenty million. It was guaranteed, so it wasn't like this

592
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Speaker 1: oppressive Oh my god, how were we going to we

593
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: paid too much for Justin reet No, that was a

594
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: bargain to get that guy still with the Saints. I'll

595
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: hugg him at a reunion. But really had an impact

596
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: on and off the field, very much like a McDuffie.

597
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: In a way.

598
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: He signed a three year contract here and went to

599
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl every year every year. That's pretty good.

600
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. Yeah, that's a good one.

601
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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, one of the guys that

602
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Speaker 1: we don't think about a lot who has been here

603
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: now for a long time, but he is our vice

604
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: president for pro personnel and very key in trying to

605
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: make decisions when it comes to free agency on value,

606
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: on performance and impact. Here's our chat at the combine

607
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: with Tim Terry. We're covering all the gamuts of the

608
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: Chiefs front office now, a very very valuable man that

609
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: has been a part of three super Bowl championships. Tim

610
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Terry super Bowl champions is with the Chiefs.

611
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: Great career.

612
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: But Tim, we get so caught up in the college

613
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Speaker 1: guys and getting ready for the combine. What about the

614
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Speaker 1: pro side and what the bind.

615
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 5: Means for you is this pro side is a combination

616
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 5: of both. You know, obviously we're going to see the

617
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 5: college players and see those guys perform and see the

618
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 5: agents and all those different things. But also, you know,

619
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Speaker 5: we get a chance, your first opportunity to maybe see

620
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Speaker 5: some of the colleagues across the league that may have

621
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Speaker 5: some players that may be available via trade or those

622
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: type things. But you know, just really just the starting

623
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Speaker 5: point of the freacy period where we'll have the negotiating

624
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 5: period in a few weeks, so you kind of see

625
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Speaker 5: what things may be matriculating in your favor.

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Speaker 3: One thing I always found kind of interesting is you're

627
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: still involved in all this prospect evaluation because they're about

628
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: to be pros, right, And do you recall a time

629
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: where maybe you like to prospect a lot didn't work

630
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: out in the draft, but years later they ended up

631
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: on the Chiefs and you kind of relied on that

632
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: information you learned here.

633
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 5: Yes, that's a great point.

634
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: I think. You know, we go through the whole process.

635
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 5: Our college scouts do a great job of getting all

636
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: the character information and background information. You watch the tape,

637
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 5: and sometimes guys drafted higher or go to another team,

638
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 5: or it doesn't work out. We've had that opportunity to

639
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: bring some guys that maybe you didn't gets the first

640
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 5: bite and get out in the second round, whether it

641
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 5: be in free agency, street free agency, or as a UFA.

642
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 5: But the college prospect the process is important for the

643
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: foundation of what the players are going to do as

644
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 5: an entineto the league, and so you have a little baseline.

645
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Of who they are.

646
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 5: Obviously they change as they become young men into men

647
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Speaker 5: and pro so what's a good baseline to start.

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Speaker 1: I've always found that fascinating because Brett will reference it

649
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: or coach will reference it and say, if we sign

650
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Speaker 1: a free agent, well, this is what we saw way

651
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: back when when he was So it's not like you

652
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: throw these files away, right.

653
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Speaker 2: How big is that?

654
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Speaker 1: Though, when you look back at some of your evaluation

655
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Speaker 1: to decide what you're going to do in free agency.

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Speaker 4: It's a part of it.

657
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Speaker 5: So you can't base everything on what they were because

658
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 5: some of these guys come into the league and they

659
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: become better players, they mature, they developed faster or better

660
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: than you thought, and some guys may regrets or don't

661
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 5: matriculate to what you think they could be. So you

662
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: use it again as a tool as a reference point

663
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 5: to kind of hell you have about background of the person.

664
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Speaker 5: Then you'll see if they're in the league three or

665
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: four years, what has their body of work been in

666
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 5: those three or four years on the field and off

667
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 5: the field. So it kind of helps, but it's not

668
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 5: a one all, be all because obviously, as we know,

669
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: people change, they staff here.

670
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: So the new league year is coming up on set

671
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: of free agency, obviously a very big time for you.

672
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: We talk with the college scouting guys and they explain

673
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: how they kind of chart the stuff out years in

674
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: advance for the prospects. Do you have a similar process

675
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: for in terms of free agency kind of knowing who

676
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: will be available each year.

677
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

678
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: Obviously, at the beginning of the year you kind of

679
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 5: have idea of whose contracts will be expiring, so you

680
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 5: kind of baseline that piece of it. Throughout the year.

681
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 5: Players will get extended and some players will not. Some

682
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 5: players will get cut prematurely. So we have our scouts

683
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: watch all the players that are going to be free

684
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: agents to restricted free agents and the unrestricted free agents.

685
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 5: A lot of times those things change and they don't

686
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 5: become hit for agency. There'd be also guys that become

687
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: cap casualties as you kind of see around the league

688
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 5: and we get our chrische and hitch crew. They do

689
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 5: a nice job of kind of forecasting what that could

690
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 5: potentially be. So we use that as well, and we

691
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 5: kind of watch those guys, we evaluate them, and we

692
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: put a grade on them, similar to how we do

693
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 5: with the draft board. We'll have guys run from blue

694
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: A plus players to guys that we may not be

695
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 5: perfect fits for what we're trying to do from the

696
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 5: culture or offensive decent standpoint. So we watch all the guys,

697
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 5: we catalog other guys with grades, and we'll let the

698
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 5: process of free agency play out and see where we are.

699
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: Tim again, Tim Cherry with US Pro Personnel vice President,

700
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Speaker 1: looking at this free agent class, the twenty twenty six

701
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: free agent class, what's your overall evaluation of it?

702
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 5: A lot of talent. There's a lot of talent. It's

703
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 5: going to be a lot of money spend around the

704
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: really but as a lot of talented players, you see

705
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 5: skilled players that are that are really good, uh, you know,

706
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: on the perimeter, in the backfield, Uh, defensively, there are

707
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: some some players at the corner position that are really

708
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: talented linebackers. So there's a lot of talent, and there's

709
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 5: a lot of talent that may not be the household names.

710
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 5: So that's why we count on our scouts in our

711
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: department to really make sure we know everybody that's going

712
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: to be in there in this this phase of the

713
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: player acquisition period, because you may not be a Day

714
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 5: one guy that's going to impact what you do from

715
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: a free agency standpoint. You could be a Week two guy.

716
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 5: Jared mckinnical a few years ago. He came in and

717
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 5: he did a really phenomenal job for us. Not always

718
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 5: going to have the Frank Clark, Tarn Matthew blockbuster type deals,

719
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 5: but you know, I think you want to get the

720
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: right people in your building, particularly with free agency. It's

721
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 5: not what you want to you want to live and

722
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: die by, but it's a part of our process. Obviously,

723
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 5: the draft is the lifeblood of what we're trying to

724
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: do get young talent in the building, but also you

725
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 5: want to supplement that with some fine players that can

726
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 5: bring specific skill sets to our team.

727
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: You have to be able to be on your toes

728
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: in your position because, like you said earlier, there are

729
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: players that right now we think are going to be

730
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: free agents, but they're going to be resigned, they might

731
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: be franchise tagged, and all the different things that can happen.

732
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: How do you and your crew kind of stay flexible

733
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: with all your different options, knowing that things could change

734
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: any day.

735
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, every day's new day. So I think the biggest

736
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 5: thing is just being prepared. You do all the work,

737
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: you get ahead of things as they become. Like I said,

738
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 5: we'll watch every player for every team we'll evaluate each

739
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: team's roster, and particularly the AFC West, where we rank

740
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 5: we need to get better or get or were we're

741
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 5: a little worse at. So you try to get a

742
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 5: good feel for the league in general. And then as

743
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: players start to become free agents that may not have

744
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: been on your radar early. You have a good idea

745
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: of the players skill set. But then you know, we'll

746
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 5: dig in deeper as that comes a little closer and

747
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 5: see if it's a good fit.

748
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: Final question, Tim, and it deals with value, because you

749
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: just said a couple of answers ago, there's gonna be

750
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: a lot of money spent around. I always get a

751
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: kick out of fans. I said, it's like the Friday

752
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving or after Thanksgiving going shopping. How do you

753
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: be careful in value getting the right player at the

754
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: right price and not doing it where it gets your

755
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: salary cap and a problem.

756
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't want to be doing anything out of need.

757
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 5: It's like I always say, you go to the supermarket hunger,

758
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 5: You're gonna spend a lot of waste for money, So

759
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 5: you don't want to do that. You got to be

760
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 5: intentional about what we do. We understand and real at

761
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 5: where we are as an organization, where we may have

762
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 5: had some shortfalls. So you got to be honest in

763
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: that assessment. The draft, I said, is a big piece

764
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 5: of it, and you can't project who's going to be

765
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: there specifically when you're picking. So you want to be

766
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 5: able to get the right people in free agency that

767
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 5: can help us to get to where we want to

768
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Speaker 5: be in February.

769
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: A huge piece of the puzzle of chief winning Tim Terry.

770
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: Tim's an impressive guy. I love him, love his attitude,

771
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: the way he approaches his work. But one thing that's

772
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: fascinating there is a fact that like at the combine,

773
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: why is it at the combine? Why does he care

774
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: about the draft? The files don't go away on these guys,

775
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: and so when you circle back to look at them

776
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: and a potential if Alohi, Gilman Kiris Tonga, we can

777
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: go down. We're going to talk about these guys a

778
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: little bit. But Tim Terry is the guy that I mean,

779
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: he keeps an eye on all these guys around the league,

780
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: so when it comes free agent time, he's got a

781
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: fairly good idea of what these guys are about.

782
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: I think it's cool that he makes that part of

783
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: his job. It seems so obvious that the entire front

784
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: office would go to the combine. But if you look

785
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: around the league, there's some teams that don't send anyone

786
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: to the combine. They just don't value it. And I

787
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: guess I understand, Really I don't understand. I guess it

788
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: doesn't really make much sense to me, but it makes

789
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 3: a lot of sense at the college and draft guys

790
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: would go to the combine, right, But for Tim Terry

791
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 3: to be like, this is worth my time because maybe

792
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: down the road will be interested in the guy as

793
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: a free agent and I'll have a whole hard drive

794
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: of conversations or interviews or just stuff on this guy.

795
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: It's valuable and I think it's paid dividends over the

796
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 3: years where free agents that we've talked about, like Jack

797
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: McKinnon or Joe Toney or Tyrone Matthew Justin Reid, they

798
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: all probably talk to the chiefs at some point during

799
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: the scouting process, and for Tim Terry to be a

800
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: part of those conversations is a big deal. When down

801
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: the line, it's like, you know, he really impressed me

802
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: back then, and based on what he's done in the

803
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: time since, he'd be a great fit for our team. Like,

804
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: that's cool and that means something, I think, so it

805
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: says a lot about him.

806
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: Yep, he was taking notes. We're gonna get to Kenneth

807
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: Walker the third here and everybody's waiting for that, as

808
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: you and I are. But you look at a LOHI.

809
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Gilman kind of mentioned him already. He's been a very

810
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: productive player for the Chargers a little bit with the

811
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: Ravens and then Kiris Tonga. He's a guy that with

812
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: a two gap really a two gap approach, large human,

813
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: really athletic, A two gap guy that has one cap

814
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: one gap capabilities, if that would be a way to

815
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: describe him.

816
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: Definitely, I'm excited about both of these guys. With Gilman,

817
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: it's his versatility. So I think if you had to

818
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: put him at one spot, he'd be a really solid

819
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: free safety, which we could use. We've had a lot

820
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 3: of strong safety types. We could use a free safety

821
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: kind of guy, and that's what he is. He's also

822
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: really versatile though over the years, even look at just

823
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: last year with the Ravens. He played slot corner for them.

824
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: At times he was in the box, could play on

825
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, could play wide corner in a pinch.

826
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: And what's kind of interesting if you look at Baltimore,

827
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: he opened things up for Kyle Hamilton when he went

828
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: to Baltimore last year mid season, where Hamilton was playing

829
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: kind of a different role, and then when Gilman got there,

830
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 3: he could play that free safety role and let Hamilton

831
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: be that jack of all trades. Kind of interested to

832
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: see how Spags uses him, but he can do a

833
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: little bit of everything, which is a big deal.

834
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: And he did a little bit of that for Druw

835
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: and James Junior with the charger exact.

836
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: Great point.

837
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, and then Tonga's exciting because I think we

838
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: just need some energy and juice on the defensive front.

839
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 3: He definitely fits the bill in that regard. The guy's

840
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty five pounds. I think he's like

841
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: a classic kind of nose tackle type who can also

842
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: play your two gap and all that three hundred and

843
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 3: thirty seven defensive snaps last year, seventeen defensive stops, fourteen pressures,

844
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: and the top run stop percentage on the Patriots would

845
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: have led the Chiefs as well in run stop percentage,

846
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: which I think we could use. And fourteen snaps at fullback,

847
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: which is fun. The whole thing reminds me of Don

848
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 3: Terry Poe, and I think that's great.

849
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be fun to have hungary pigs passing

850
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: come back again. Yeah, but yes, I'm excited about that

851
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: more than maybe most I know. Austin Wood's excited.

852
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 4: Very excited.

853
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves the trenches. We're all so excited about

854
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: getting Kenneth Walker the third. Did not think this was

855
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: a the cards. He had obviously incredible run during the playoffs,

856
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: great super Bowl, but he go all the way back.

857
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: We start at wake Forest. I went back to look

858
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: at his college tape and his information there, and then

859
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: what he did, the longest run in Michigan state history,

860
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: by the way, ninety four yards. Got off to a

861
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: great start in his rookie year in Seattle, being an

862
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: early second round pick, then had some injury issues, became

863
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: roaring back, and then split time with Charbonnet last year.

864
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: But the Chief, it's been a long time since we've

865
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: had a back like this. Yeah, so.

866
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: And and I got excited about his passing numbers in

867
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: the fact that's he's not he can be a weapon

868
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: in the receiving game.

869
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: What exactly were the coaches at Wake Forest thinking trying

870
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: to understand that what were we doing? They can't give

871
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: him consistent touches. I'm excited about the past game too.

872
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: He doesn't get enough credit for that. He can catch

873
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: the ball and make guys miss after he catches it.

874
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: For me, that's the big one because I know you're

875
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: going to those stats, but those were broken tackles when

876
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: you look at it, though, we've not had a tackle

877
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: breaker like that since Kareem.

878
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: In his prime.

879
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's everything. So I think the reason I'm excited

880
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: about Walker is three pronged. So the first is consistent production.

881
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: He's recorded at least a thousand scrimmage yards in three

882
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: of his four seasons. Only year he didn't is because

883
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: he was hurt. Yep, he would have if he had

884
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: dayed on the field. Then it's the broken tackles. So

885
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: he broke sixty one tackles last year, picking up six

886
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty four yards after contact. That's been a

887
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: trend for him over the last three years. He ranked

888
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: either first or second in the NFL and missed tackles

889
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: forced per carry. That'll get you excited. Never goes down

890
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: at first contact, and when you're doing that, it naturally

891
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: leads to explosive place. Dude's explosive. So he had thirty

892
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: three runs of ten or more yards last year, sixth

893
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: most in the NFL. And keep in mind he was

894
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: sharing carries, so he actually had the explosive run rate

895
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: just under fifteen percent. That was third best in the NFL.

896
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: Ten runs of at least twenty yards last year. For context,

897
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: the Chiefs as a team had just three runs of

898
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 3: twenty yards. He had ten all by himself. So even

899
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: just the threat of Kenneth Walker is going to help

900
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: this entire offense. We talked over the last several months

901
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: that maybe the number one priority, especially offensively, is we

902
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: had to get better in terms of our explosiveness in

903
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: the running game. Had to had to because I think

904
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: it impacted everything else. I talked about our play action

905
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: passing and how that struggled last season. We had the

906
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: fewest play action passing yards of any team in the NFL.

907
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: Well, why is that.

908
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: It's because the opponent is not respecting the explosiveness of

909
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 3: your running game. Well, now you had Kenneth Walker. They

910
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: have to respect it because if they want to just

911
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 3: play deep and not respect her running game. Kenneth Walker

912
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: will break off a twenty five yard run and they

913
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: have to respect it. So obviously, Kenneth is going to

914
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: help us in the running game as it is, but

915
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: he's also going to help us in the play action

916
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: passing game and the play the passing game in general,

917
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: because Patrick mahomes a guy in the backfield that can

918
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: make a twenty yard run out of nothing, and that's

919
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: pretty exciting.

920
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

921
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: I love looking at those stats about the broken tackles

922
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: and yards after catch, but I might add a couple

923
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: more too. If he gets one hundred yards of rushing.

924
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: Some guys can pile up stats, but it doesn't affect

925
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: the game. Sure, he's only lost one game where he's

926
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: rushed for one hundred yards. And the other thing that's

927
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: big is he does it in the biggest games. You

928
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: look at their showdown games against the Rams, including the playoffs.

929
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean those were wars this year. Yeah, you could

930
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: argue those are the two best teams in the NFL.

931
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: When the Seahawks played the Rams, and that's when he did.

932
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: If you look at Kenneth's career, there the biggest games

933
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: he came up with the biggest moments and sixty four

934
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: yard reception. We talk about is passing, receiving prowess and

935
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: what he brings so to big a big time, big

936
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: play potential back to this offense is something frankly, we

937
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: haven't had since Kareem Hunt. In twenty seventeen and early

938
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, we got the chance to talk to a

939
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP not named Mahomes, Kenneth Walker, the third.

940
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: When the Chiefs start OTAs and start training camp, there

941
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: will be two Super Bowl MVPs on its roster, not

942
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: just Patrick Mahomes, but this young man as Ken Walker

943
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: joins the Chief Kingdom. First of all, congrats on a

944
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: great run, congrats on being MVP of the Super Bowl,

945
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: and congrats on being here.

946
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: Your reaction of all of.

947
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 6: That, I would say, it's surreal. You know, all of

948
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 6: it is happening kind of fast. But it's a blessing

949
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 6: to be here, you know. And my pops talked it

950
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 6: over and we talked about how this is where I

951
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 6: want to be in you know what happened.

952
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: So it's a blessing for real.

953
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: So Ken, amazing run to go in the Super Bowl

954
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: last year. The expectation here in Kansas city every year

955
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: now days with Patrick Mahomes at quarterback is to go

956
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: to the super Bowl and to hopefully win it. How

957
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: do you think that experience going to the super Bowl

958
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: last year with the Seahawks can help you with your

959
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: time here?

960
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I know what it takes.

961
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

962
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

963
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 6: Guys here know what it takes too, because you know,

964
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 6: they won plenty of super Bowls. So yeah, it's cool

965
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 6: to be over here. You know, the winning culture and

966
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 6: the competitiveness of the guys. So I'm excited and I'm

967
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 6: excited to get to meet everyone.

968
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: How about integrating into the offense and any integrating what

969
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: coach read and working with Pat Kelson the others. What

970
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: about that attitude and physically.

971
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: You know, I see it.

972
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 6: I see it on film. The way those guys play.

973
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 6: You know, they're they're real detailed and smart. And uh,

974
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 6: I'm excited to be able to come in here and

975
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 6: playee eb. You know, I'll talk to him a lot.

976
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 6: And how intense he is it's cool to see and

977
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 6: how passionate he is.

978
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 3: So you're a broken tackle machine, like you're never going

979
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: down at first contact. Where does that mentality come from I.

980
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 6: Just growing up, you know, working out my pops and

981
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 6: you know him telling me not to go down off

982
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 6: the first tackle. Then, yeah, I always want to make

983
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 6: the first I miss. I want to make everybody miss.

984
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 6: But you know, yeah, I just feel like that's my

985
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 6: mentality going in there and my competitive drive.

986
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: What's awesome, Ken is the fact that your biggest games

987
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: have been at the biggest moments. What have you learned

988
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: about this league in being able to succeed over a long,

989
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: tough season and when the games are the biggest.

990
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 6: Controlling what I can control. Honestly, That's what I've been

991
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 6: learning over time and find my routine. But yeah, the

992
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 6: main thing is really just control that I can control

993
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 6: and be positive.

994
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 4: He had a chance to chat with Patrick at all yet?

995
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, we text, we called, and then we end

996
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 6: up meeting today. You know, I've seen him earlier this morning.

997
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 6: It was cool to get to meet him finally.

998
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: Now, you were here on Christmas Eve twenty twenty two

999
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: as a seahawk and you hit it for one oh seven.

1000
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: What about your anticipation about playing it arrowhead?

1001
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited, you know, I'm knowing the crowd's gonna

1002
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 6: be loud. I'm on a different side now.

1003
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1004
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 6: I was a Seattle at the time. But it's cool

1005
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 6: to be able to go out there for my first

1006
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 6: time and see everybody and you know, the fans cheering.

1007
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: So you're so explosive as a runner. We talked about

1008
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: breaking all those tackles. Then you hit like another gear

1009
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: at the second level. Where's that come from? That explosiveness?

1010
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 6: I guess just working out my pots.

1011
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that.

1012
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1013
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1014
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 6: I had it since I was younger coming on up,

1015
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 6: and you know, it just got better over time.

1016
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: We're fired up about it.

1017
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: And watching you grow because you were here as a rookie,

1018
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: but you've grown in the passing game. What's happened there

1019
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: to make you a weapon in the passing game? Short catches,

1020
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: tackle breaking or longer passes.

1021
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: I really believe it's just opportunity. You know.

1022
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: You know some schemes, the backs don't get the ball

1023
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: as much. Like you know, coming out of college, I

1024
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 6: didn't really get the ball passed me as much. So

1025
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 6: when a coach sees that I can catch, you know,

1026
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 6: to give me opportunities and I can go out there

1027
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 6: and make those plays.

1028
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: How about football culture and how important that is to

1029
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: you because you're coming to a place that loves football

1030
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: in Kansas City.

1031
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's big for me, you know obviously, like you said,

1032
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 6: it's culture here, and I think that's big for everybody

1033
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 6: that's going to be in the locker room. To have

1034
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 6: that coach in that brotherhood and you know, that camaraderie together,

1035
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 6: It'll make a difference.

1036
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: It is thrilling to have you here.

1037
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: What would you tell the Chiefs Kingdom to get them

1038
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: really fired up as you get ready to rule?

1039
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: Just getting ready for another Super Bowl?

1040
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 4: Ryn, I love this side to that.

1041
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: It will give you another ring again. Another Super Bowl

1042
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: MVP has joined the Kansas City Chiefs. Ken Walker again,

1043
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: It's happy New Year. We've got our confetti out here,

1044
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: but this is just the excitement confetti of having Kenneth

1045
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: Walker the third This is none of the Super Bowl

1046
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: sixty confetti that fell on his head.

1047
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: We had this conversation right afterward where Kenneth Walker is

1048
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: one of the players that was kind of on our

1049
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: wish list, Like, man, it'd be great to have Kenneth Walker.

1050
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: But the way he finished the year and winning Super

1051
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: Bowl MVP. I think I told you the day after

1052
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I'm like, well, we could probably cross

1053
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: him off. That's not going to happen.

1054
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: What do you know.

1055
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: Here we are, but it's you.

1056
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: And I wanting our own helicopter. Yeah right, it's not

1057
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen private jet. It's private jet. Like I'd like

1058
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: to have a private jet with it now, but it's here.

1059
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: So it's kind of fun though, because when we go

1060
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: to camp, if pats up and running healthy, we'll have

1061
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: two Super Bowl MVPs from two different teams on the roster.

1062
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: I know you were thinking about it. I was thinking

1063
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: about it, going hmmm. It bigs back some memories here.

1064
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: We had Joe Montana who was a Super Bowl MVP

1065
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: with San Francisco, and Marcus Allen super Bowl MVP with

1066
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: the Raiders at the same time. But you've got some

1067
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: more that I thought were really interesting because you thought

1068
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, you went down a rabbit hole though.

1069
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking this must not happen very often,

1070
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: Like when was the last time this happened? So I

1071
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: reached out to the good people at the Elias Sports Bureau.

1072
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: It actually happens a little bit more than you think,

1073
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: and it's so random. So Julian Edelman and Tom Brady

1074
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: both won Super Bowl MVP, not quite the same though,

1075
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: they're on the same team, so that's that's a little

1076
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: bit different. Same with like John l Way and Terrell Davis.

1077
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: The most random one, well, there's two very random ones.

1078
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: So on the Broncos, Von Miller and Joe Flacco, who

1079
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: got two Super Bowl MVPs. I think Flacco lasted like

1080
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: four games that season. That was the year that uh,

1081
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 3: I think that was actually the game that Pat got hurt.

1082
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: But we had like eight sacks and Flacco looked just

1083
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: like a corpse and then who knew he had like

1084
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: ten more years in him and going to the playoffs.

1085
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: But his Broncos career was not necessarily super exciting one.

1086
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 4: That's not what I would have guessed. Yeah, the Jags

1087
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: is the craziest one though.

1088
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: The Jags.

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Speaker 3: The Jags had Nick Foles and Malcolm Smith, which I

1090
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: completely forgot. Malcolm Smith was a Super Bowl MVP. He

1091
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: was kind of like accepting it on behalf of the

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00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: entire Seahawks defense. But he was on the Jags with

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00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 3: Nick Foles and they had two Super Bowl MVPs.

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Speaker 4: I think, or two.

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00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, something crazy, but yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: So take that to the water cooler.

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Speaker 4: I think ours is a little bit more impressive.

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Speaker 1: A little bit just hey, you want to have some

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Speaker 1: phone with your gals or guys and in the throughout

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Speaker 1: the whole world of Kingdom defending and have that one.

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00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: But we will have We will have two Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: MVPs in camp this year wearing red, white and gold.

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Speaker 1: We'll also have some more free agents, so just stay

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Speaker 1: tuned on this happy New year defending the Kingdom