1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,360 Speaker 1: Meet anybody in the world. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 2: And I think we're gonna win next Sundays. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 3: For this. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 4: That's wonderful. 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 3: Can't wait, Trevor. 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Here we are, yes, another Combi twenty twenty six. We're 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: in the Hoosier State. We don't you know what I 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: was it is the Hoosier State. Now it has to. 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 5: Be you know what. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking about this morning, that how 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: unlikely that national championship of Indiana was. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 4: It was. 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 6: It was so much fun to watch, honestly because as 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 6: just a fan of college football, like I went to 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 6: the University of Florida and so I went to grad 16 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 6: school there. Okay there we Gators go to Gators. So 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 6: like obviously, like I care about Florida and everything, but 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 6: like I I love college football just independently, Like it's 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 6: so much Obviously the scouting part of it is fun 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 6: to watch a lot of these guys play really well 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 6: and to have a team like Indiana, which just seeing 22 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 6: is just this It's unthinkable that they could be this good. 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 6: It's unthinkable that they could win a national championship. That's awesome. 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 6: Like what, like I know, there's been a lot of 25 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 6: talk of you know, oh, you know, we should go 26 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 6: back to the BCS system. It was better with four. 27 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 6: You know, are they gonna expand the playoff to twenty four? 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 6: This year was awesome whatever this year was for us 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 6: to get to the point where Indiana was able to 30 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 6: play the way that they were, and I feel like 31 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 6: the regular season was as fun as it was with 32 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 6: a lot of teams that were kind of into it. 33 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: It was a blast, man. 34 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 6: It was a blast to watch a coach come from 35 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 6: the lower the lower levels of James Madison where Kurtz 36 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 6: Signetty was and get to Indiana and just just attract 37 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 6: and recruit the right players, the right teammates. 38 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: It would that was it. 39 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 6: The cool part about Indiana is it really did feel 40 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 6: like a team win all around it. There's some prospects 41 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 6: and some guys on their team. Both the last couple 42 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 6: of years have been great. But I loved it, as 43 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 6: you can tell. I just I was such a big 44 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 6: fan of watching it and watching their success. 45 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: So great transition here because last night you tweeted D'Angelo 46 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: pont scottary report done for over an hour, but I 47 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: just keep clicking on the next game. An absolute joy 48 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: to watch. A mother trucking dog yes, and a football 49 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: player what pound the table for. 50 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 6: I love D'Angelo Ponds, and to me, he is such 51 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 6: a great example of the whole Kirk Signetti ecosystem where 52 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 6: you get these guys that were zero stars, two stars, 53 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 6: three stars, whatever it is, some lightly recruited players, where 54 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 6: he goes, no, no, no, hey, if you're gonna play your 55 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 6: butt off, if you're gonna play with a lot of passion, 56 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 6: a lot of fire at whatever your position is, if 57 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 6: your work ethic's gonna be there, I'm gonna recruit you. 58 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 6: I'm gonna give you a chance. And Ponds is somebody 59 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 6: who I mean, he's undersize, He's five foot nine, one 60 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 6: hundred and seventy pounds coming out of Hollywood, Florida, and 61 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 6: he was a three star guy. But he gets to 62 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 6: James Madison. He starts right away at James Madison. He 63 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 6: started for two years when he was at James Madison, 64 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 6: followed Signetti over to Indiana and they started at Indiana. 65 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 6: And it just plays with such a big chip on 66 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 6: his shoulder. But he plays with so much passion, so 67 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 6: much pride. One of the games I was watching that 68 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 6: I was referencing was actually that National Championship game against 69 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 6: Miami and a guy who's five ft nine, one hundred 70 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 6: and seventy pounds. I mean, he's laying the hammer on 71 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 6: some of these wide receivers when he had the opportunity to. 72 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 6: And it's like that is just that's that mentality that 73 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 6: is so infectious to the rest of the team. 74 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: And when you have a team full of. 75 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 6: Players that want to do stuff like that, I mean, 76 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 6: Ponds is an embodiment of why Indiana won the National 77 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 6: championship for how fun he is to see. 78 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: All right, this is official New York Jets podcast. 79 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: It's not the University of Indiana, right university podcast. But 80 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: with that being said, how many draft uple players on 81 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: that national championship team? 82 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: You think? 83 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 4: Wow? 84 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 6: Okay, so h one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, ten, Okay, 85 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 6: we might get I think we'll get ten guys. Now, 86 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 6: a couple of them maybe went back to school, so 87 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 6: maybe he might be right under ten. But I think 88 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 6: we're getting around where double digits is for and get 89 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 6: drafted this year. 90 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy to think because the number one overall 91 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: pick in this draft and right, yeah, so with the Jets, yes, 92 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: can we talk about their landscape a little bit. Twenty 93 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: twenty six, Yeah, have four picks in the top forty four. 94 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: You have two first round picks, so you got the 95 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: number two overall pick. You're sitting there at number sixteen 96 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: overall from that trade with the Colts yep, the Sauce 97 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: Gardner yep. But also twenty twenty seven, now you have 98 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: three first round picks a quest. Yeah, and you have 99 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: to build this thing. Sure, So how do you approach 100 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: this draft knowing that, Okay, we do have very good 101 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: capital in the future as well. 102 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the Jets roster has a lot of 103 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 6: work to do, and I think a lot of people 104 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 6: out there would would believe that. I know the front 105 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 6: office probably thinks that as well, because that's why you 106 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 6: that's why you trade the players that you do to 107 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 6: acquire the picks that you that you get, because you 108 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 6: know that you have a lot of pieces that you 109 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 6: have to build. But all that to say, outside of 110 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 6: them having a franchise quarterback, which they're still searching for, 111 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 6: pretty decent spot. They've got a couple of stars here 112 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 6: and there. But then specifically, I love the way their 113 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 6: offensive line is configured right now. It's one of the 114 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 6: better in theory offensive lines in the league. We'll have 115 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 6: to see what happens with free agency, but if you 116 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 6: tell me that as a building block for this team, 117 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 6: the offensive line and a lot of the studs on 118 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 6: the offensive line, specifically the guys of the tackle spots, 119 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 6: you feel good about. You got a star at wide 120 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 6: receiver obviously, and you've got four picks in the top 121 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 6: one hundred this year, three first round picks the following year. 122 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 6: That's pretty ideal when it comes to team building and 123 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 6: what you want to do with this roster moving forward, 124 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 6: especially for a coaching staff that is still new. So 125 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 6: I think that the big question with all of this, 126 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 6: having all of these picks is the quarterback position, Right, 127 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 6: how do you go about that? You mentioned Fernanda Mendoz 128 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 6: is going to go number one overall, you missed out 129 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 6: on him by one selection, with the Jets sitting there 130 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 6: right behind him at number two. But then it comes 131 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 6: down to like, okay, well, it doesn't seem like the 132 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 6: strongest quarterback class, but there are some guys that could 133 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 6: be intriguing. Right, do you go for a Ty Simpson? 134 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 6: Do you go for a Garrett us My right? Do 135 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 6: you put those guys into the conversation. Do you say, hey, 136 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 6: we consider one of these guys as sixteen or do 137 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 6: you say, hey, we wouldn't consider these guys until the 138 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 6: second round. If they get there, maybe we'll have a conversation. 139 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 6: But those three first round picks the following year. I 140 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 6: know this is dangerous. The grass is always greener. I'm 141 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 6: a draft guy, I'm always looking ahead. 142 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: I get it. 143 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 6: But next year's quarterback class could be something that's really 144 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 6: really good. And even if the Jets are quite a 145 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 6: bit better next season, you have draft capital and ammunition 146 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 6: to potentially be able to move up if that quarterback 147 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 6: that you really want is there if you don't go 148 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 6: for one this year. So that's the big conversation that 149 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 6: you have to That's the big question that you have 150 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 6: to answer. Is what's the value essentially that you put 151 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 6: on guys like Ty Simpson and Garrett nus Meyer to 152 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 6: where you go. Okay, not only are we comfortable of 153 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 6: where we're going to pick them this year, we're all 154 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 6: so comfortable picking them knowing that probably means we're not 155 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 6: going to take a quarterback the following year, because it'd 156 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 6: be a little bit of a waste of assets, although 157 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 6: not the worst thing in the world because you're throwing 158 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 6: darts at the dartboard for a quarterback. 159 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, do. 160 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: You ultimately hear bring in a veter Yeah, and then 161 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: draft one regardless. I mean, like you were talking about, 162 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: here's what I'm going over in my head. If you 163 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: have a second round grade on Simpson, did take them 164 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: at sixteen overall? Or you say that because you know 165 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: this is a quarterback driven league. It could be teams 166 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: trying to get back in the first round. Let's just 167 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: say he's there in the teens, in the early twenties 168 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: and things like that. Or do you wait and just 169 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: continue to build because you know you have some of 170 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: these things in your back pocket. 171 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 172 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 6: I think it's a multi layered team building question because 173 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 6: when you look at this team drafting a franchise quarterback 174 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 6: or just a quarterback at all that you think could 175 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 6: be a franchise guy for you, some people think like, oh, 176 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 6: we've got him. 177 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 4: The work is done. 178 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 6: The work is just beginning to reflect him, right, And so, 179 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 6: like I said. 180 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: That's fans and all that better than I have about it. 181 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 6: It's a good thing that they have the offensive line 182 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 6: in place that you feel good about. But the issue 183 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 6: is Simpson and say viewing him as a second round pick. 184 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 6: If you viewed him as a second round pick, you 185 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 6: would view him as somebody where you go, Okay, this 186 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 6: guy could be a really good starter at the NFL level, 187 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 6: maybe even more than that, but for some reason, you 188 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 6: believe that it's not this sure fire start right away. 189 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 4: You feel great about. 190 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 6: A type of a quarterback, if there ever is such 191 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 6: a thing right in this league. So with that being said, 192 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 6: you're great of him. Could be a second round pick, 193 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 6: but that also means that you've got to be patient 194 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 6: with him. So likely, most likely he's not gonna like 195 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 6: the world on fire for you the next season, especially 196 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 6: when you look at his supporting cast Garret Wilson phenomenal. 197 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 6: I'm an ad Mitchell guy. I like Mitchell a lot, 198 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 6: but there's work to be done there when it comes 199 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 6: to the pass catchers and the long term future of 200 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 6: that getting more guys on the roster, what happens in 201 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 6: free agency with the running back position as well, how 202 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 6: well the running back or how well the run game 203 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 6: can compliment Simpsons. So I think the bigger issue with 204 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 6: drafting Ty Simpson or Garrett Nusmyer or whatever. Isn't necessarily 205 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 6: that the film grade that you might have on them. 206 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 6: It's does that timeline give you the ability to have 207 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 6: a definitive answer on this player going into next draft 208 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 6: season when you have those three first round picks, Because 209 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 6: what happens if you go, well, yeah, I mean like 210 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 6: Ty had an okay year and we think that he 211 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 6: could be good moving forward. But now you start to 212 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 6: have the question is like, all right, was okay good enough? 213 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 6: Or are we really trying to move up and get 214 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 6: aggressive in that twenty twenty seven class. So that's just 215 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 6: the Jets are just in such a fascinating spot that 216 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 6: they have to sort of come to the conclusion of 217 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 6: what they would be comfortable with not only the round value, 218 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 6: the grade where you would take them in this year, 219 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 6: but then also the timeline of where the the team 220 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 6: would be and the realistic progression that you could expect 221 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 6: to see from Simpson or Neussmeyer, whoever it is to 222 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 6: give you a definitive answer going into twenty twenty seven. 223 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: All Right, so we're gonna talk to you next week. 224 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna be on our draft show now boarding, So 225 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: we're at the onset of great name. By the way, 226 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: thank you great name for a great name for a show, 227 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: great name for it. We gotta give our props the 228 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: kd over here, Katie job K love it. You have 229 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: done a fantastic job throughout the year as far as 230 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: covering the draft like you always do your lead NFL 231 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Draft analyst over a Pro Football Focus. Uh, we're listening 232 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: to your draft show on NFL s E show and 233 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: then it's at Tampa Bay Troy. Seven players who need 234 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: a good combine. I thought we should get into this 235 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: right now. Yes, yeah. Out of those seven, how about 236 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 1: a couple of Jets fans should really pay attention. 237 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 4: To, So like Jonah Coleman's one of them. 238 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 6: I think Jonah Coleman, the running back from Washington, is 239 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 6: somebody to think about just because is okay? 240 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: Like depending on what happens with Bresaul. 241 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 6: I know you got other running backs in the building, 242 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 6: but do you feel really great about them being the 243 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 6: workhorses for you moving forward? 244 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: Jonah Coleman. 245 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 6: I said this yesterday to a good friend of mine, 246 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 6: Ben Solak, who works for ESPN. I was saying, Jonah 247 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 6: Coleman feels like the most forgotten good player in this 248 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 6: draft class. Like it feels as though two years ago 249 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 6: and even last summer, people were just like, oh yeah, 250 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 6: Jonah Coleman was really good, like you know, top fifty, 251 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 6: top sixty type of a potential player, Like he's really good, 252 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 6: and now nobody talks about him. It's just like he's 253 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 6: the most forgotten good player because he's not a superstar. 254 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 6: I feel like he's just not making headlines. But he's 255 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 6: been so steady. And there's a metric that we have 256 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 6: at PFF that I love the lean on. When it 257 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 6: comes to running backs, it's more of a stable metric. 258 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 6: And when we call something a stable metric, it's basically 259 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 6: saying we see a lot of players do this in 260 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 6: college and then also do it in the pro. So 261 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 6: that's what makes it stable of a metric, and that 262 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 6: is misstackles force per attempt. So how often you are 263 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 6: making a player miss, whether it's agility or even lower 264 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 6: on the shoulder and breaking a tackle per attempt that 265 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 6: you have Jonah Coleman's got a I believe it's an 266 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 6: eighty ninth or ninetieth percent stile misstackles force per attempt 267 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 6: averages for a large sample size over the last two years. 268 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 6: So he's just really good, and he's really consistent, really 269 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 6: great with yards after contact as well. So he's a 270 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 6: player that I think is somebody that has to have 271 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 6: a good combine simply because he doesn't have that long speed. 272 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 6: He's more of a Kyron Williams, Isaiah Pichaco, Tyler Aljeer 273 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 6: type of player. And I just named three good productive 274 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 6: running backs at the NFL level, guys that really help 275 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 6: compliment offenses. But you know, some people go, ah, he's 276 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 6: not Saquon, he's not Christian McCaffrey. How we don't care, 277 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 6: And I think that's too far. But that's one of 278 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 6: the players that I think really has to have a 279 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 6: good combine that the Jets could potentially be interested in. 280 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: How About we're gonna have to see what the Jets 281 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: do schematically. Aaron Klein is going to go to the 282 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: podium here Tuesday in Indy. How about Peter Woods out 283 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: of Cleomstone. 284 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, yeah, definitely, And Peter Woods is somebody who Yeah, 285 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 6: I mean, Jets fans and the Jets specifically are going 286 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 6: to keep an eye on because I think he's an 287 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 6: option for them. I don't think he's an option for 288 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 6: them at two. You know, if they trade down from two, 289 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 6: anything could happen. But I think he's much more of 290 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 6: a realistic option for them at sixteen because, certainly, with 291 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 6: Quinn Williams no longer on the defensive line, you need 292 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 6: a presence in there. You're gonna need somebody along the 293 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 6: interior defensive line. 294 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 3: You know. 295 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 6: Cad McDonald from Ohio State is somebody who's been linked 296 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 6: to the Jets a lot as well. Lee Hunter potentially 297 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 6: the defensive tackle from Texas Tech. But Peter Woods is 298 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 6: another name to know, and this is a former five 299 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 6: star recruit, one of the highest recruits in his recruiting class. 300 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 4: Started right away at Clemson. 301 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 6: He's listed about six foot three, six foot four, and 302 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 6: he's just over three hundred pounds threehundred five, three hundred 303 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 6: and ten punds. I'm not sure what he's going to 304 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 6: measure in at here, but essentially those first two years 305 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 6: freshman and sophomore years, he played really well and he 306 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 6: showed really good flashes. The explosiveness, the athletic ability, all 307 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 6: of that from him looked really really good. And then 308 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 6: this past year it was a down year for Clemson 309 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 6: and really all of their really good prospects, and so 310 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 6: you go, huh, okay. 311 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 5: What was going on here? 312 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 6: Why was there if Allie was just not that passion, 313 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 6: that fire that motivated for a lot of those Clemson 314 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 6: guys like DJ Parker's one of them, maybeon Terrell's another one, 315 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 6: but Peter would certainly his grades and his impact were 316 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 6: less this year. But a big reason why is because 317 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 6: they put him more as that like nose tackle type 318 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 6: of a player instead of really rotating him around, letting 319 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 6: him pin his ears back get after the quarterback. Because 320 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 6: we have two different ways to grade pass rushing at PFF. 321 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 6: One of them is regular pass rush grades you're taking 322 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 6: all snaps and pass rushing snaps into account. And the 323 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 6: other one is pass rushing grade versus true pass sets, 324 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 6: which is a true drop back. It's not a quick screen, 325 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 6: it's not an RPO, it's a true drop the situation. 326 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 6: And Peter Wood's pass rush grade on true pass sets 327 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 6: even just this year was six or seven points higher 328 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 6: than what it was just regularly with all pass rush snaps. 329 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 6: So that tells me that there are specific snaps where 330 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 6: they are telling him, hey, buddy, go get after the quarterback. 331 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 6: And those are the ones where he actually has a 332 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 6: really big impact. So he was seen as a potential 333 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 6: top ten prospect going into this year. His play didn't 334 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 6: necessarily live up to it, but I think the potential 335 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 6: is still there for him, and so I think he 336 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 6: could very well be a top ten overall player in 337 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 6: this class. 338 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: And you get him at sixteen. I think that's a 339 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 4: great fit for the Jets. 340 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: Well, since we're both Gators, they got to ask you 341 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: about Kayle Becks. Yeah, he went out there mobile. 342 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: He had a really good week, obviously injury plague season. Yeah, 343 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: what do you make of him? Because he's a physical 344 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: specimen and he is the. 345 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 6: Player who depending on what he does here at comby 346 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 6: Week and certainly what we saw at the senior ball, 347 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 6: he is somebody who I think could get a lot 348 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 6: of love. Is that first defensive tackle off the board? 349 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 6: I think that his reigne starts as high as nine 350 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 6: to the Chiefs. Wow, I really do think that, because dude, 351 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 6: he's six foot six, three hundred and thirty pounds and 352 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 6: he gets off the ball like he's like he's forty 353 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 6: pounds light. 354 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: I like that. 355 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 6: That is length and size and explosiveness that you just 356 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 6: cannot teach. The weight adjusted athleticism and explosiveness that this 357 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 6: guy has is really really good. You worry about the 358 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 6: durability why he wasn't on the field this year, that 359 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 6: foot injury, so all that stuff's got to check out, 360 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 6: and he's not super consistent right now. But that is 361 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 6: one of those players that you, I mean, maybe if 362 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 6: you're the Jets, you look at the fact that, hey, 363 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 6: we got four picks in top one hundred, we got 364 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 6: three first round picks next year, we can afford to 365 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 6: take a swing on a player who might be one 366 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 6: of the most disruptive DT's in the NFL. He could 367 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 6: potentially evolve into that that. He's got to round out 368 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 6: the consistency. He's got to stay on the field. But again, 369 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 6: they don't make many of them the way that he 370 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 6: has built, and I think the teams are going to 371 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 6: gravitate towards that in this year. 372 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: That's really good, Trevor. 373 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: He said, Hey, potentially this guy could come here, knock 374 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: it out of the park and be a top ten pick. 375 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: He could. 376 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with. 377 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: That, all right, So tight end Kenyan Sadik out of Oregon. 378 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if the Jets are going to go 379 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: early tight end because probably they did last year. 380 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: But what do you make of Sadik So? 381 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 6: I The potential is through the roof, right, I mean 382 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 6: the things that I'm going to say, I feel like 383 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 6: a lot of people have been so for a while, 384 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 6: like the potentials. 385 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 5: Through the roof. 386 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 6: I think he's he is a freak athletically. I mean 387 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 6: strength wise, explosiveness wise, I mean whatever drill that he 388 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 6: does this week, I think he's gonna put on an 389 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 6: absolute show. He is a total freak athlete for the position. 390 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 6: And it's a league that we're seeing lean into the 391 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 6: versatility of the tight end spot more and more and more. 392 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 6: The further we get, A lot of teams are just 393 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 6: like five or six years ago when defenses started to 394 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 6: really have nickel as their base play, more Nickel than 395 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 6: anything else because of how customizable it was. You're seeing 396 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 6: a lot of teams now like twelve personnel consistently because 397 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 6: of everything that you could do with it. Because you've 398 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 6: got a lot of tight ends that are truly receivers, 399 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 6: are blockers on any play, so you could do a 400 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 6: lot of different things with it. A guy like Kennyan 401 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 6: Seek unlocks that ability for you. Now, I don't think 402 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 6: he's as natural as a receiver as you would want 403 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 6: him to be for like a I'll say, like a 404 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 6: like a top twenty overall pick a tight end. But 405 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 6: the potential is there for him to be that. He 406 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 6: is that athlete at tight end. He blocks very well, 407 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 6: even pound for pound at his size. It's just a 408 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 6: matter of he just wasn't super explosive as a receiver. 409 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 6: But you kind of go, was that an organ thing? 410 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 6: Did they not really have him as a focal point 411 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 6: of the passing attack? I would have thought that he 412 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 6: would have been. But he is somebody who he's gonna 413 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 6: get drafted in the first round and that's gonna be 414 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 6: a lock after this week when we see him testing everything. 415 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 6: But it is something where I did want to see 416 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 6: a little bit more from him as a receiver this year. 417 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's end here because he got a big 418 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: week ahead and we're gonna circle back with you after 419 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: the combine Simpson, he is throwing uh this week, compete, 420 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: this is. 421 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: What we've heard. 422 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: Compete baby, We're going to talk about it. But what 423 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 1: do you think the headline is going to be on 424 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: him by this week? 425 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: Up? 426 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's I'm a joke, but like 427 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 6: I think it kind of is going to be that. 428 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be that, Like, hey, ty Simpson 429 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 6: came out here and compete it. And outside of Fernanda Mendoza, 430 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 6: who's not going to throw because there's no need for 431 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 6: him to throw, you, he was somebody who wanted to 432 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 6: come out here and compete. And you know, I like 433 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 6: Ty Simpson, I really do. Like he is my tight end. 434 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 6: He is my quarterback too that I have in this class. 435 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 6: And the reason why is because even though there's inconsistencies 436 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 6: there with him, he does a lot of the quote 437 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 6: one of my good friends Nate Tice, the quarterback, he 438 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 6: things very well where that's like making protection calls of 439 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage, getting to backside, digs on route 440 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 6: concepts and progressions, hanging tough in the pocket, consistently. 441 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: Throwing over the intermediate middle of the field. 442 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 6: No quarterback in this entire class, including Fernanda Mendoza, had 443 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 6: more success throwing over the intermediate middle of the field, 444 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 6: which is a very key part of the field that 445 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 6: you have to unlock if you are an NFL quarterback 446 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 6: to have consistent success. Nobody did it more often or 447 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 6: better than Ty Simpson in this class. And so there 448 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 6: are those things where does he a finished product? Is 449 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 6: he going to struggle if he starts a year one? Yeah, 450 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 6: a little bit here and there. But there's also plenty 451 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 6: of things that we saw from his first year tape 452 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 6: at Alabama that make you feel good about what he 453 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 6: could be someday at the NFL level. So yeah, him throwing, 454 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 6: I think is just him once again kind of showcasing 455 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 6: to NFL teams like, Hey, I'm here to compete, I'm 456 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 6: here to get better. This is my work ethic, this 457 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 6: is who I am. And I always like when guys 458 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 6: come out here compete. I really do, because like, teams 459 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 6: aren't going to kill you for having a bad throwing 460 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 6: session here at the Combine, They're really not. I truly 461 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 6: think you getting out there and throwing means more than 462 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 6: most of the days that you could have for a 463 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 6: lot of these prospects. 464 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: Anyways, when it comes to the throws. 465 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Tray, you gotta be following up throughout the week. 466 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: They want to circle back with him and see what 467 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: he found out here in Indianapolis, Great Senia, go Gators. 468 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 4: I appreciate it, man, Thank you. I'm excited for next week. 469 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: Thanks brother. 470 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Oh we're joining Indie by the great Dane Brugler. Where 471 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: are you as far as the Beast is concerned? 472 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: Percentage bless? 473 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 5: Uh? 474 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: Probably, I'm probably in a good spot, but I don't 475 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 2: let myself feel that way because there's just so much 476 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: more to do. It's, you know, most of the work 477 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: is done at this point. It's not like there's more 478 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: games to be played. It's just a matter of getting 479 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: all of the notes in a good place for the 480 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: report and getting some of those last minute background information nuggets. 481 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: And that's a big thing here at the Combine, not 482 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: only talking to players, but talking to scouts, talking to coaches, 483 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: talking to agents, talking to basically anybody that I can 484 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: get a meeting with. And so I've I've been here 485 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: for four days already setting up meetings, meeting with people, 486 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: whether it's a coffee here, lunch there, you know, meet 487 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: up on the street there, and what It's just there's 488 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: so much to gather in this week from from my 489 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: purposes that eventually goes into the Beast that it's really beneficial. 490 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: What is a day like for Dane Brugler here in Indie. 491 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: Once the prospects start talking like they are to do Wednesday, 492 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: we're taping Tuesday. 493 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 5: Well, I mean I woke up today, I was like, Oh, 494 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 5: I get to talk to the Jets today. It's perfect. 495 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 5: I can't wait. No, But it's Today's a lot of interviews. 496 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: It's one after the other, and it's which is, Hey, 497 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be upset people want to talk 498 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: to me, you know. It's I want to talk about 499 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 2: the draft in July, and no one wants to talk 500 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: to me. So I got to take advantage of it now. 501 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: But it's when the players get the podium, it's a 502 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: good opportunity to talk with them, you know. I think 503 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: the big name guys, it's the crowds to swarm around them. 504 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: It makes it impossible to really get the information that 505 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: I want to get from them, especially when no disrespective 506 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 2: beat writers. 507 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 5: But I'm so tired of hearing have you met. 508 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: With this team? Have you met with like like the 509 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: meeting with everybody? You know, Let's let's ask some better 510 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: questions than that. But I like to talk to maybe 511 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: the late round guys or the under the radar guys 512 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: who maybe I haven't seen at the Senior Bowl, or 513 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: I didn't get to see him at the Shrine Bowl, 514 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: or I didn't get the chance to talk to him 515 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: during the season. And so it's more about the finishing 516 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: touches rather than oh, I need to talk to you know, 517 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love, because that that evaluation is done. That's that 518 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: that backgrounds done. Most of the first round, second round, 519 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: third round guys, those are all done. It's more of 520 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: the day three players at this point. 521 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: All right, So you got to be reading Dane. I'm 522 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: the athletic. 523 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: You just published something that I really enjoyed. Twenty one 524 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: prospects you can't wait to see at the NFL Combine. 525 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: One of those guys was a quarterback from Alabama, Ty Simpson. 526 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: I know Jets fans are intrigued by him. Let's say that, 527 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: what do you want to see from Ty Simpson here? 528 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 5: It's a big opportunity. 529 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: As you know, we know Fernando Mendoza, who's going to 530 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: be the number one overall pick, we know he's not 531 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: going to be throwing or working out here and understand why. 532 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: So this is a big opportunity for Ty to kind 533 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: of go out and put his best foot forward. The 534 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: biggest knock with him is going to be the fifteen starts. 535 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: You know, the track record of quarterbacks in the NFL 536 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 2: just like to say, the last fifteen years, the I 537 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: think there's three quarterbacks that were drafted in the first 538 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: round that a fewer than fifteen starts, and it's ANTHONYA. Richardson, Mitchell, Trubisky, Haskins, 539 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: three guys that just haven't panned out. And so there's 540 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 2: just no substitute. 541 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 5: For that experience. 542 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 2: And so that is the uphill climb that ty Simpson 543 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: has to say, like, look, I'm a little bit different, 544 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: and I think he is a little bit different because 545 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: his dad's a twenty year head coach at the FCS level, 546 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: so he grew up in this He's been getting that 547 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 2: quarterback education since the age of five, and it's all 548 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: plays out on the field. And so ty Simpson the 549 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: first two months looked really good this year at Alabama, 550 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: and then November things started to fall apart a little bit, 551 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: not all on him. The running game was not existent, 552 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 2: the blocking was not good, the receivers weren't giving him 553 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: a ton of help. So it was you know, we 554 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: think of quarterback as this superpower position. You know, you 555 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 2: had to be a superhero to do everything, but it's 556 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: you're totally dependent on everything around you, and at Alabama, 557 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: I think he just didn't get a ton of help 558 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: from his supporting cast, which is as much of the 559 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: conversation about anything with him specifically. But I want to 560 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: see the verified measurements. How big are you? He's not 561 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: a bigger player, and so is he at least over 562 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: how close to two ten? 563 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 5: Are you? You know? Or are you at least over 564 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 5: two of five? 565 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: Are you? 566 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 5: Are you two twelve? 567 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: I want to see how big you are and then 568 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: not that throwing in shirts and shorts out on the 569 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: field is that big of a you know, qualifier to 570 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: how good of a quarterback you are. But it's still 571 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: I want to see how does the ball pop off 572 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: your hand? How are you able to you know, place 573 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: the ball in the right spot To guys, you've never 574 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: thrown two before, which is always a challenge. But this 575 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: is a big opportunity for Tye to just kind of 576 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: put his best foot forward and show because I wouldn't 577 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: be surprised if he goes thirteenth. I wouldn't be surprised 578 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: if he goes fifty third. I don't think that he's 579 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: a lock first round pick. I think there's a better 580 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: chance he goes first round than second round, but I 581 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't call him a lock at this point. Really talented 582 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: player that there's still some things about his profile that 583 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: gives you a little bit of pause. 584 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: Well, they have to see what happens once the league 585 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: year comb once as far as free agency as concerned, 586 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: because the Jets have a lot of financial flexibility, we 587 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: know that, But do you like the thought of just 588 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: building visa Jets have several holes just building there. Maybe 589 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: taking a project down the line at the quarterback position 590 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: in this draft, and then we'll have to. 591 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: See how it plays out once it gets twenty seven. 592 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 2: I think that that might be their best option. Yeah, 593 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: it's just you have to take your medicine, and that's tough. 594 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 5: You know. 595 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 2: We saw this team go the free agent round last 596 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: year obviously with justin Fields and how things played out, 597 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: and so you know, it's they're just not many options, 598 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: and so the best course might be to, hey, let's 599 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: take our lumps. And we don't feel great that we're 600 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: going to get the quarterback position figured out right now, 601 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: but hey, we feel really good about this receiver we're adding. 602 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, really good about this. 603 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: Guard that we're able to add to the roster, feel 604 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: really good about this corner And so, you know, while 605 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 2: I think it'd be, you know, the goal obviously to 606 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: address everything in one off season, it's just not realistic 607 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: right now, even with the draft capital they have. So 608 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: I think that you especially a quarterback. So I think 609 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: that it's you just have to be realistic about where 610 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: this team can go and plan accordingly because every decision 611 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: they make this offseason will be tied to the decisions 612 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: that they're going to make next offseason. This is like 613 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: a two year decision making process for this team. 614 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could potentially get a British quarterback, you 615 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: could draft a project. One of the guys you're twenty 616 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: one is Cole Payton. What can you tell us about him? 617 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 5: Another one year starter? And again that's the concern. 618 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 2: And you know, Coles is interesting because he come out 619 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: of high school in Nebraska. He one of the reasons 620 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: that he went to North Kota State was they were 621 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: losing Trey Lance and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna have 622 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 2: a chance to play, I'm gonna have a chance to 623 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 2: go on the field because the Nebraska wanted him and 624 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: the Iowa State wanted him. But he goes to North 625 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: Kota State and he just happens to be behind Cam Miller, 626 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: who the Raiders drafted last year. I think is on 627 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: the Dolphins now. And cam Miller started for four years, 628 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: and so he was stuck as a backup, and I like, 629 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: I want to give him credit for sticking it out 630 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 2: and being loyal. At the same time, I probably hurt 631 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: himself because he would have transferred to, you know, a 632 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: MAC team or a South Dakota State or another FCS team. 633 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: You know, I think he'd be further along in his development. 634 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 2: But you know, he's a one year starter. Thirteen starts 635 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: now he went twelve, and one of those starts, he 636 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: was a really good player. He's fascinating because coming talking 637 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: his scouts in the summer about him, they're like, hey, 638 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: I think he's an interesting tight end convert because he's 639 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: a big athlete, good size, he's gonna run the four fives. 640 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: He should test well here, but we didn't have. They 641 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: used him in some packages just to get him on 642 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: the field as more of like a Taysom Hill at 643 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: North Dakota State. But they didn't see enough him as 644 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: a passer. Now that we have a full year of 645 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: him as a starter, it's like, Okay, yeah, he's a quarterback, 646 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: but there's just a lot that he doesn't know and 647 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: he kind of is stuck in that middle ground where 648 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: he needs reps to get better, but he's not ready 649 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: to face NFL competition. So it's kind of you're stuck 650 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: in that no man's land where you wish he had 651 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: one more year of eligibility, or you wish there was 652 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: a minor league system, a G league that he could 653 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: go to to get those valuable reps. So that's where 654 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 2: the tough part is with Peyton because he's clearly behind 655 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: with his experience and it shows on the field. But man, 656 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: he's talented and you might have something if you're willing 657 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: to invest in a project. 658 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: Jets to four picks in the top forty four overall. 659 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: I do think they got some foundational pieces on the 660 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: offensive side. I mean, let's see what happens to the 661 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: quarterback position, but the offensive line is really coming together well. 662 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: To see how the Breese Hall situation plays out, you 663 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: have Isaiah Day, have a sea of Braylan Allen, You 664 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: drafted Mason Taylor, you re signed Jeremy Rucker as you're 665 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: too tight end. 666 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: You got a star receiver and Garrett Wilson. So there 667 00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: are some pieces there. 668 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: With the four picks in the top forty four, number 669 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: two overall, number sixteen, that first pick in that second 670 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: round as well, you know you have several holes on 671 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: defense too. Yeah, how would you. 672 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: Go about things here? 673 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 5: Early? 674 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think at two is it's tough because you 675 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: want to come away with, you know, a big time 676 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: player at number two. 677 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 5: You know, it's needs should not matter when you're picking 678 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 5: number two. 679 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: It's just who's going to impact the roster in the best, 680 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: most impactful way. You know that that's what you want 681 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: to come away with. And I think there's a case 682 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: to be made. It could be an edge rusher. It 683 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: could be Caleb Downs, it could I think the theme 684 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: of this year's draft is going to be just draft 685 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: good football players. Yeah, I think it's easy to get 686 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: caught up and let's let's chase the high end traits, 687 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: let's chase the potential. This draft, especially in the top ten, 688 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: I think is about just draft good football players. Whether 689 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: that's an off ball linebacker like Sonny styles. Do you 690 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: want to draft an off ball linebacker that early? Probably not, 691 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: But he's six four, twenty one years old and runs 692 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: a four or five a freak and to see his 693 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: development the last few years at Ohio State has been phenomenal. 694 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs is just one of the best safeties I've 695 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: ever evaluated as a prospect. Well how the last three 696 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 2: years played in three different systems, three different defensive coordinators, 697 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 2: and he was lights out each year, especially this year 698 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: watching it with what Patricia did with him disguising just 699 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: a lot of different looks where you know when before 700 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: the snap, if it's one thing, he if it's a 701 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: run play, he's doing this. If it's a passing play, 702 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: he's doing that. Like you can only do that with 703 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: a safety if he's extremely intelligent and understands the ins 704 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: and out of what the offense is doing and how 705 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: that's going to affect what you're doing, and he can 706 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: do it at a high level. 707 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: He's also a. 708 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: Big time tackler and has the athleticism to cover. So 709 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs. Do you see safeties drafted top ten very often? 710 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 5: No? 711 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you know this team in Jamal Adams 712 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: is when the last times that happened. Caleb Downs is 713 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: a little bit different than that, and I just I 714 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: think you feel like you're coming away with a Pro 715 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: Bowl type of safety when you draft him, and again, 716 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: just draft good football players. 717 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 5: And I think that's what kayleb bounce is. 718 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: If you're the Jets, you said you just got to 719 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: get the best player there at two. We don't know 720 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: what the scheme is going to look like. We've seen 721 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn run different schemes. When you're talking about Downs, 722 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: when you're talking about val Ree, when you're talking about 723 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: Rubin Bay, when you're talking about David Bailey. You know, 724 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: at this moment, it's kinda and you have done an 725 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: aviable task of doing mock draft. At this moment's probably 726 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: tough when you look at the Jets and say that's 727 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: the guy. 728 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, no it is. 729 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: And I think that's a couple teams are like that 730 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: where we think they're going to do this, but maybe 731 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: they might lean this way, and there's these teams need 732 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: to look themselves in the mirror and say, hey, should 733 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: we change what we're doing a little bit in order 734 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: to draft the better player? 735 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 5: You know? 736 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: And then whether that's r VL Rees or Ruby Baine, 737 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: whoever it may be, for that for that team. But 738 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: it's kind of this passwush pass rusher group. They're all 739 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: a little bit different. Arvilla Reese is different than what 740 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: David Bailey brings, and he's different than when Ruben Bain brings. 741 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: And so I think part of it is the style 742 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: of pass rusher you want. And do you do you 743 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: feel like that the grades are similar between those three players, 744 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: And do you even include Rvella Reese's an edge rusher 745 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: or do you seem more of an off ball linebacker? 746 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 5: To me, I think what. 747 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: Makes him so effective is when he gets after the quarterback. 748 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: That I mean, he can set an edge. He's violent, 749 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: he's physical, but I want him dipping and ripping off 750 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: the edge. And I think that somewhere between what Michael 751 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: Parsons is and you know Jalen Carter who was drafted 752 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: fifteen last year to the Falcons, He's somewhere between those 753 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: two players in terms of his impact and what he 754 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: can bring as an edge rusher. 755 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 5: So, but to your point, we're. 756 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: Kind of in uh, we're kind of driving blind here 757 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: in terms of where the exact scheme and what so 758 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: we would have a better idea of what exactly the 759 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: type of player could be looking for there. But I 760 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: keep coming back, and the reason I had r l 761 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: Res in my mock draft that too, is because I 762 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: think he's the best player in the draft. And so, okay, 763 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: if I'm gonna tweak my scheme a little bit to 764 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: make sure that I'm getting him in the most advantageous 765 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 2: spots just to go make plays, and so it should 766 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 2: be excited to watch him work out here in Indy sixteen. 767 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 3: We'll have to see how the board falls. 768 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of people think that might be 769 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: the start of receiver run, like right around there. 770 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: You like Tate karl Off Tate a lot. 771 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard a lot about Jordan Tyson and mackay 772 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: Loman as well. 773 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 3: Do you think the. 774 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: Jets, dependent on what happens there, stick with defense or 775 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: is this where you could see him make a transition 776 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: to offense. 777 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, i'd like to. I hope they keep it open. Mind. 778 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 2: You know, I don't think you should go into the 779 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: draft thinking, all right, we have to draft a corner here, 780 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: we have to drive you know, Hopefully they're able to 781 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: address some of those key needs in free agency and 782 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: so they can go into the draft the clean slate 783 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 2: and say, let's draft who's just gonna greatly impact our 784 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: roster and it could be wide receiver and it'll be 785 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: interesting with I think I think Tate will be gone 786 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 2: at that point. 787 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 5: Lemon. 788 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: Maybe it just depends on because you know, he's a 789 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: he's undersized, and a lot of teams look at him 790 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 2: as a slot player, and so he just won't be 791 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: for everybody in the top fifteen. 792 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 793 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 2: But and then Jordan Tyson's interesting. I reported last night 794 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: that he's not gonna be doing it. 795 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 796 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 5: I saw that at the combine. 797 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: I'm still coming back from his hamstring and that's that's 798 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: the you know, for lack of a better phrase, red 799 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 2: flag with him, because the tape says he's a top 800 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 2: ten twelve pick in the draft, but can he stay healthy? 801 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 3: Then he got that Boston out there as well. 802 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, and Casey Conception, Yeah, Mark Cooper Junior. There were 803 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 5: seventeen receivers in my top one hundred. 804 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 3: So that's lable. 805 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot, and there were probably four or five 806 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: more that I was I hate to leave him out, 807 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 2: but you know, we got a only so many spots, 808 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: and so this is a pretty good receiver class, and 809 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: they're all a little bit different what they offered Enzl 810 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: Boston's more of that true X where Omar Cooper, you 811 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: you really like him in the slot, let him, you know, 812 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: co create with the ball in his hands. His run 813 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 2: after catches outstanding. So I think that's what we talked 814 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 2: about with Ed Rusher and that different types and styles. 815 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 5: Same thing with receiver. What you know. 816 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: Obviously we know Garrett Garret Wilson's a big part of 817 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: what they're going to be moving forward. But aside from 818 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 2: from him, do they want to go after that X. 819 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: Do they want to go after more of a slot player. 820 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: I think they have different options with the way they 821 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 2: could attack it. 822 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: All right, let's get out of here with this one. 823 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: Before we started reading The Beast in a couple of weeks. 824 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: Do you like the safety group. 825 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 5: I do. It's a deep group. 826 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 2: Obviously Caleb Down's at the top, but I do like 827 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 2: I think second round, third round, really through the draft, 828 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: every round there's at least one or two guys that 829 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 2: you know are really talented, And even at sixteen when 830 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: Dylan Thieneman from Oregon, Yeah, I think he's one of 831 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 2: the reasons you really like him. Is he how versatile 832 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: he is? You want to be a nickel, he can 833 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: do that. You want him to be a post safety, 834 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: single high I mean, he can do all these different 835 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: things because he's a really good athlete. His cover athleticism 836 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 2: is terrific. He comes downhill as a forced player and 837 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 2: he is pretty good, and he's gotten better and better 838 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 2: against the run. So Dylan Thianeman, I think he's gonna 839 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 2: have a big week here with the way he tests, 840 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 2: the way he moves and going to help himself. He's 841 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 2: already kind of in that borderline top twenty five mix, 842 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: but I think he's just only going to move up 843 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 2: from here. 844 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one of your prospects you can't wait 845 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: to see at the NFL Combine. 846 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 3: If you haven't read that at. 847 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: The Athletic check it out and also get ready for 848 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: the beast. 849 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 3: It's a great scenior brother, you too, man,