WEBVTT - I8A 4RE (S2 E20, “A Competitive Edge”) 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:10.799 With Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hi you guys, welcome 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.720 to another episode of nine O two one O MG. Okay, 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.800 this is I'm the most excited right now because my 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.720 co host today is the one and only Iron Zering, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.520 my boy bestie, Oh my gosh, Steve Sanders in the house. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.120 I'm so excited you're on. This is amazing. You've been 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.000 doing this podcast for some time and it's just grown 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.800 in in uh numbers, and people are listening and like, 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.800 maybe you Mr calling, maybe you should have been a DJ. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.280 Oh my now or is this are you a VJ? 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.360 Is this a video? This is a black just is 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.520 this is crazy. It's a whole new world. I'm a PJ, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.440 a pod podcast. I don't know. Yeah, it's a whole 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.800 new world. It's you're a pod jock, a PJ. I'm 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.280 a PJ. Yes, I like that. I like that, and 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:05.000 you like wear pj's, so yeah, definitely, um so yeah, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.160 I mean Jenny and I have been doing this now 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.000 we're on the second season obviously, um today we're talking 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.960 about episode twenty of the second season. It's so crazy 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.080 to watch the show back now because it's a whole 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.560 different ballgame. We all have kids. Um, all the lessons 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:22.800 we're seeing that happened on that show are well for us. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.399 We like, I have teenagers, but we have you have 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:31.960 young kids. But it's gonna all have an eight major show. Um, 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.640 it's so true, right, Oh my gosh, and you have 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:41.240 two girls, man, so I think so obviously. So for 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.360 everyone listening, like, we didn't just play like best friends 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.720 on TV, we actually are best friends in our life 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.840 and we are kids are friends, and um, we have 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:56.120 a beauty business together, so we do a lot together. Um. So, 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.520 Sella just turned thirteen in June, and I'm not kidding. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.120 I like when she the day she turned their teen, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.680 she turned into a different human. I want to hear 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.960 something good. Everyone's telling me about horror stories when they 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.720 get older, and it's like, my, I'm already they're already 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.440 like giving me a hard time and sash talking. I mean, 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.880 they're still sweet angels. And you know, my oldest Mia, 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:22.160 she's you know, still a little kid, and I'm trying 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.679 to not just embrace that but encourage it to stick 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.840 around as long as possible. But my little one, Penna, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.560 she's like, oh dad, we can't cut my nails like 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.160 what do you mean we can't cut your nails. It's like, 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.880 oh no, I'm growing my nails and I'm like, oh no, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:42.320 we're not growing on nails. Chew me out out. It's 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.520 I know it well. Jen always said to me, because 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.919 obviously her kids are older, she was like, you're so 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.320 screwed when they become teenagers. And I was like, no, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.920 it's easy, but it is. It's starting, and it's like, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.480 it's crazy, it's hard to navigate. Who would have thought 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.400 Steve Sanders, I mean, you're such a great dad, but 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.720 who would would have fought it like Steve Sanders. He 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.440 just didn't seem like this is not Steve Sanders. I know. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.760 But that's how people know us. We're always was a 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:14.840 good father from what we saw, I mean baby Maddie, 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.560 and he was caring and loving and devoted and the 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.040 complete antithesis of the way he was when we first 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.560 met him. He was a brash, obnoxious, rich kids spoiled, arrogant. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.480 Look at me, I'm Sandra d here's a hundred dollars. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.320 Once you just go get out of my way, you know. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.040 And it was a nice arc from the beginning to 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.040 the end. Playing Steve. It really was. I mean, oh 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.240 my gosh, Steve did change so much. Wait, I know 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.600 the story, but our listeners don't. Can you talk us 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.680 through the story of getting Steve Sanders getting that role? Okay, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:55.680 all right, so many people may know this, but U, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.320 Manny don't. So let's go through one more time. I 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.760 was twenty six years old, went on audition for nine 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.360 oh two on Oh. I was out of college for 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.920 a couple of years already, and it was a tough time. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.720 I had done a soap opera in New York City. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.880 I was on guiding light for a couple of years 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.000 and that ended. And you know what usually would cover 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.599 me were commercials. I would like book a ton of 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.880 commercials every year and it would really pay all my 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.520 bills and it wouldn't be a problem. But this is 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.520 the first time since I scored a soap opera that 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.480 I wasn't working at all. It had been about a 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:34.400 year and a half since I had booked anything, and 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.640 I was having a tough time. I was living in Marstown, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.039 New Jersey. I bought a condo with my soap opera money, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.560 and I had my roommates, my friends from high school 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.919 living there with me, and paying rent. But at the 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.600 same time, I was starting to see the bottom of 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.480 the barrel, and you know, even second guessing whether I 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.400 should buy a pair of jeans at the gap for 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:58.280 forty bucks because it was tough. My father, who UH 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:03.200 school teacher UM and a guidance counselor, started off in music, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.599 went to guidance, spent forty three years as a teacher, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.080 never really made much money, but always was able to 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.359 take care of the family. When I told him I 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.760 was starting to you know here that distinct sucking sound 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.280 of a empty bank account, he said, all right, I'll 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.280 give you fifteen hundred dollars a month, uh for two 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:29.880 years and months, eighteen grand Considering my father was only 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.240 making forty five thousand dollars a year, that was a 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.039 lot of money. It may have been from savings, but 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:39.200 like I, I understood the value of that money and 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.120 how hard my father had worked for it. So I 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.159 was like, oh, all right, all right, But I was 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.440 desperate and anyway, so I took the check and I 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.360 put it in my wallet. I didn't rush to cash 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.839 it because I wanted to wait, and I was in 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.680 California at the time, and I had enough. I was 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.960 done with California. Everyone out there was just so superficial. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.560 Everyone you know, everyone's in the entertainment industry, and it 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.640 was just difficult. So I went back to New Jersey 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.800 where I lived, and I told my agent, I don't 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.960 want to go back out to California. Really wasn't happy 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.560 out there. And it says, well, it's funny you're saying that, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.800 because I have an audition for you. It's called the 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.359 Class of Beverly Hills, and if you get it, it it 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.200 shoots out in California. And I said, well, to be 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.800 out there, if I'm working, it's gonna be a much 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.039 different animal. So I'm doubt. I'm doubt. I had to 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.960 go into New York City to pick up the script. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:36.159 There was no This is March and there's no internet, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:40.960 there's no cell phones. Were still on VHS tape, the 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.120 DVD hasn't even been invented. My father is still driving 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.920 a car that has no We were past that eight 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.960 track tapes. It wasn't too much before that that they disappeared. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:57.360 But drive in New York City to pick up the script, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.640 and I remember the audition was on Lexington Avenue. No, No, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:01.880 I had to pick up the script because they were 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.719 putting us on tape the next day. So I drive 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.680 into New York City and I go upstairs. There was 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.560 one flight to this big office, and nobody was there. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:19.120 So I looked around and I see a sign in 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.000 a legal pad, which, by the way, has fifty lines 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.360 on the legal pettis fifty lines and they're all numbered. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.560 And there are also fifty scripts waiting for actors to 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.400 come in pick one up. And there was a sign 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.360 that said take a sign in and take a script. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.120 So I looked around, wondering if anybody was there, said hello, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.560 and then someone in the back real sternly said just 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.880 sign in and take a script, as if I couldn't read, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.000 or they were arrogant enough to think that I didn't 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.280 have any other questions, which really was where's the bathroom? 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.640 But anyway, so I looked at the sign in script, 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.320 and I looked at the scripts, and I looked at 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.280 the sign and I remember the eight hundred dollar check 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.720 and my father handing it to me, and I remember 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:06.680 not working and feeling desperate. I signed, I wrote my 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:11.680 name number one, I wrote ben over, and then I 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:16.600 grabbed all the scripts and got out of there as 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.559 quickly as I kind I'm running down LEXI to the avenue, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.640 always scripts in my hand, waiting for somebody to put 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.800 a should hand on my shoulder, and never happened, and 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.560 oh my god. I got home. I ripped out the 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.400 scenes that I was going to do for to be 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.760 put on tape. Tim Hunter, the director of the pilot episode, 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:37.440 very profound, very prolific director um was shooting the pilot 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.720 and I had to be ready. I worked, shopped my scenes, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.360 Kelly Taylor is the business bitch and all of Beverly Hills, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.160 all that work shopped at the night before, got it 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.120 inside there so I could own it. And then I 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.560 went into the audition the next day and everyone that 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.040 was coming in for the part of Steve because they 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.679 were reading Steve's this day, Hey you got a script 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.800 were left when I got there and I asked for 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.560 a script to I mean, I had to, yeah, how 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.400 do you know the life? So I went in there 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.600 and UH delivered what I had intended. I mean, as 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.200 an actor, we are Victory is in the room. If 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.440 you deliver, if you prepare and accomplished what you set 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.720 out to do, then that's your win. You can't always 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:27.760 be the guy and I knew that, but I needed 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.000 a job, so I went in. I did what I did. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.480 I don't really recommend it. I was kind of living 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.319 on the wrong side of the still in the gray line. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.600 It didn't break any laws, but ethics. I acknowledge that 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.160 I was desperate. You know, desperate times called for desperate measures, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.319 and I I did what I did. But in hindsight, 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.040 I think they hired the right fucking Steve Sanders clearly, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:10:01.240 righty right like that wins a total Steve Sanders move. Um, 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.040 that's really where Steve and I separate, other than the 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.280 fact that we look like she's aging much more gracefully 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.800 than I am. But suffice it to say, that's how 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.440 it all went down, you know, that's how it went down. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.720 I flew out, I got a screen test. I was 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:22.320 very excited, and I flew out to California. They put 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.360 me on a plane like two days later. I was 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.240 flying out there with two other actors. Both were reading 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:37.120 for Brandon and and Brenda and get on the ground 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:38.760 at L A X. They pick us up. They put 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.560 us at the high on sunset and it's like six 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.920 o'clock at night. I got to be at the executive 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.120 studios at Fox. At nine in the morning, I'm sitting 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:51.400 on my bed and I'm watching Cops and it was 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.880 an episode where some like rock stars grow brand got 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.040 a song and she's like in the corner of this 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.319 this hotel room just gotta bed spread over her head. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.280 She's all embarrased, cops trying to talk to her. The 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.599 phone it down, and I'm looking at that bedspread and 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.120 I'm looking at the bed I'm sitting on back and 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.439 what it's the same Like got assaulted in the same hotel, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.880 but I was daying in That's what I had to 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.839 go to sleep on. Great you wake up that. It 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.720 was just one of these crazy things I remember. So 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.400 the next morning, I wake up the hardest pounding. This 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.600 is a screen test. I'm going in. The executives are 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.160 gonna be there, Your dad's gonna be there. Peter Chernam 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.560 was there, Barry Diller was there. There was about ten 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.160 twelve executives in this room somewhere, even sitting on the 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.679 back of the couch, not just in the cushions, and 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.960 it was backed. Dowren Starr was there, and I knew 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.720 everyone that was in that room. I would read the 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.080 trade Favers. It's very important. You gotta know your industry. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.000 You can't just think you're an actor and not know 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.480 what's going on. I knew every face in that room 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:59.920 from the Hollywood Reporter. And I'm sitting outside on the 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:06.000 floor outside the room the room, and there's a darker 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:11.120 complexed young man sitting next to me. There's a bigger, 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.280 blonde haired guy sitting next to me. The dude to 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:21.880 my right, it kind of looked like Italian. He was 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.480 also reading for Steve. There's me, and then there was 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.160 somebody that kind of looked like Michael Politz. No, no, 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:34.240 Michael Paul's Michael cutlass. You know, bigger blond wasn't cutlets 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:40.400 solf In any event. Before I had left the scene 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:47.440 of the crime, I put vassiline on my gums because 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.920 I had seen once in some interview with a miss 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.000 American Passion or whatever, that they put vassoline on their 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.360 gums so they get nervous. They can still talk like 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.360 freaking genius. My biggest problem was hotton mouth. I'd go 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.160 into a room and I'd be like, howat on I'm 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.680 all day? It's like, and I know you can fill 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.240 your tongue and your left hanging on your guns like 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.240 it's not cool. So I'm like, damn, let me try 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.920 the basselin. It feels like vasselin. I'm like, but a 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.959 little bit. I'm good. I'm good, So that wasn't a problem. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.880 I'm sitting outside just trying to control my breathing, very 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.400 confident in my material. It was very prepared. It's always 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.480 important people be prepared. Sitting there, I'm really prepared, Just 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.480 trying to get my heart not pounding in my chest. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:42.600 The Italian dude is sitting maybe five ft for me, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.360 saying his lines out loud. Oh that's the worst, Like, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.760 what the hell? I say, excuse me? Can you maybe 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.000 use your inside voice for that? Because I hear that 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.400 and I don't want to hear that. I'm here for 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.400 a job and I know you are, but let's be 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.559 respectful of each other's space and time and efforts that 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.600 have gotten us as far. So please, And he's like, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.320 gave me some stink eye whatever. So I just chilled, 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.000 and then I look over at that the big guy, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:17.480 and he's like down the hallway doing pushups. Oh you 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.720 know that guy. They're out there. Maybe the chicks don't 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.880 do that but like this dude was like busting out, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.360 getting his push ups in for just get him piped, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.080 get him in the right right state of mind, get 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:33.800 him in that peak state. The door opens and the 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.480 guy to my right gets called in, and I'm just 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.400 sitting there, but I can hear inside the damn room, 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:46.760 right yeah, and everybody's laughing. Everybody's laughing. It's not a 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.800 great sign when you're outside the door and they're laughing 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:55.760 at the dude. Who's your competition? Who? Like m laughing? 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.560 And he was in there for what seemed to be 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.280 and in ordinate amount of time compared to the material 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:07.240 that we were there to audition for it, so already like, chill, chill, chill, 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.920 It's okay. He comes out, The door opens, the divine 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.240 light shines. He walks out, He's got this look on 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.400 his face. He's not sure if he had brain surgery 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.400 or not. So I don't know if they were laughing 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.120 with him or laughing atam. So he becomes irrelevant in 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:28.840 my mind game because he's not he's not confident. I 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.680 are you ready? I said, yeah, let's do this. And 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.360 I stood up and I walked in the room, and 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:38.040 I was taken back because the room was packed and 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:44.080 I recognized Aaron, I recognized, you know, Barry Diller. Um, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.360 Peter Chernon is in the room. Um, all these other 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.640 young execs that were there, Some had notepads. It was 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:54.920 there was no cameras at this point. This was your 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:00.200 live theatrical audition for the network. And already I'm starting 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.760 to feel my heart started town in my chest. And um, 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.240 the casting agent says, oh, this is Iron Jeering. He 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.720 flew all the way here from from New Jersey. Uh. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.680 So ever, oh, welcome man. Your dad was so gracious 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.000 I and thanks so much for coming out here. I 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:21.240 can't wait to see what you brought us. So I said, okay, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.680 well great. I want you all to pay close touching 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.640 because there's gonna be a quiz after this. He said 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.280 that it was just enough to break the ice. They 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.280 all laughed and as I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.400 But it eased me and it I think it made 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.160 me more accessible because I went out on a ledge 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:47.120 and was vulnerable for a moment before I delivered they 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:57.480 the material that made me Iron TVs. Iron Zeering. I 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.600 did my three scenes, I got some chuckles. I accomplished 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.800 what answered out too, I wasn't getting the left that 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.520 that first dude was getting. Wasn't in the room as 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.960 long as everybody, Aaron says, I stood up, shook man. Thanks. 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.600 Does everybody talk like that when they do? Aaron, thanks 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:17.439 so much for coming. You're nailing it. I mean some yeah, yeah, 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.960 everyone always tries to do his voice, but like you're 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:24.679 doing exactly gentleman, and like stood up and shook my 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.960 hand and his pipe in his mouth, so much for coming. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.200 Did a great job. And by the way, people, that's 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.119 the kiss of death. When so his thanks for coming. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.400 You want to hear that ship. You want to hear like, wow, 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.439 that was really awesome. You shed new light on stuff. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.240 You really elevated the materials you want to hear When 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:48.200 you hear thanks are coming, it's like so so. Joanna 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.600 Ray was the casting director, Juanna Ray. Juanna Ray. Right, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.000 she's the one who opened the door and the divine 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.600 light shone over her shoulders, made a silhoue edges a iron. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:06.280 Are you you ready? I walked in but right, Joanna Ray, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.200 So I said, well, listen to everybody, thanks so much 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.119 for this opportunity. I love the material I wish you 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.639 all the best, whether I'm playing a character or not. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.320 This is gonna be a huge chin. Thank you. And 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.400 I walked out and as I passed the big guy, 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.000 you know, almost shoulder to shoulder as he was getting 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.399 called in, he looks at me as I had to go, 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:32.600 and I went like this. It went great. This is 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.600 a competitive business people. You gotta do everything you can 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.760 to stand out, and I don't I look back with 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.159 some I can't say I'm regretful for doing it. I 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.879 acknowledged that it wasn't the right thing to do to 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:56.480 take all those scripts, but you know, telling that guy 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.600 to mess with his head, try to shake him off 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.360 his game. You gotta do whatever it takes to stand out. 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.000 That's the story of how Steve Sanders, How I got 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.240 to play Steve Sanders. I got the part the next 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.879 morning and we started filming three days later. It was 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.760 the party scene up at that mansion in Beverly Hills. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.119 Oh my gosh, it was the night scene. Was that 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.879 our first? Yeah? All nighter, all nighter, all nighter. Kelly 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.680 Taylor's the biggest bitch of all Beverly Hills. Blah blah blah, 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.359 Brian stealing my corvette some like being intoxicated and seeing 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.240 some kid with dreadlocks over me saying like there's a 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.199 spider on your head or whatever. I don't know what 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.960 I was talking about. It was just improving or away. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.720 You did write a lot of that was improved. Those scenes. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.199 Oh my, you were so good. It's just fun. It's 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:55.359 just fun. Hey guys, it's Janet Kramer. The I Heart 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.800 Radio Music Festival is back. Join us for the official 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.240 I Heart Radio Music Still pre Show podcast hosted by 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.240 me Janet Kramer. It's going to be a blast and 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.320 we will have all your favorite celebrities and artists joining, 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:14.199 such as Chrissy Mets, Debbie Gibson, Joey McIntyre, Donny Osmond, Degrees, 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.119 Teddy Mellencamp and so many more. Get your tickets today 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:25.159 at on location live dot com. Let's get lucky. So 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.720 you were number two going into the room. Is that 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.040 there's a theory out there that they always put the 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.960 one they want the most in the middle position. Do 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.840 you think that's true? I don't know. I you know, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:39.879 I seldom in that casting position at the times that 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:44.479 I've produced and cast. Get in the room just whenever, 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.960 you know, I when you're seeing people for the first time. 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.639 I don't know. I mean, I don't know. It's not 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.040 what I've done in the past. So wait, you didn't 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.000 go back home then, No. I stayed out there because 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.119 they told me if you get the part that your 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.199 bags were gonna be starting shooting three days later. So 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.320 does someone have to ship your stuff out or you 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.480 brought everything? I brought a suitcase with me. We shot 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.359 the pilot in what twelve days? Ten days? Oh, that's right, 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.920 I'm thinking yeah. And then that was the end of that, 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:22.680 and I went home back to Jersey and the pilot 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:27.159 aired I think it's September, and we got trashed in 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:32.159 the press. We got such oh yeah, we got really 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:38.840 poorly reviewed. It was it was bad, and I thought, well, okay, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:40.960 I got this under my belt, what's next because I 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.880 didn't think it was gonna go And then Fox picked 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.360 it up a couple of years after that. They were 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.679 ordering two seasons at a time for several years and 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:50.480 double ups and they couldn't get enough. And I know 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.760 two it's so true. We I just want to go back. 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.720 I want to ask you about because I remember this. 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.240 So there was a read through at my dad's house 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.159 I um, and I remember because my dad was between 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.639 my audition and and when we started shooting, we did 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.520 a read through with the finalized cast, right, So that 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.200 was the first day you met everybody? Everybody? Yeah, we 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.040 Gabrielle tells the story. Did you guys go out to 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.960 lunch afterwards? Or we did? We went to Chinchin on sunset. 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.439 It is my favorite. Sorry, yeah, I haven't eaten there 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:26.240 a hundred years, but it's still there. Um. And you know, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.119 got to know Gabrielle Um, you know, very early on, 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.240 and I think at that table, I realized, Wow, this 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:37.920 is she's a nurturing soul. She's incredible and uh, I 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:39.600 was very happy to be working with her. This is 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.479 someone that's gonna have your back, you know. That's and 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:47.320 she's always been that steadfast voice of reason, mother hand 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.520 almost you know, to go on to be like the 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.560 president of Saga after it, no less. So what was 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.800 it like meeting Jason for the first time? Jesson was 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:04.000 nice guy, completely nice long hair, you know, smoking cigarettes 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:09.159 at the time, bit of reverence, but dashing, handsome, like great, 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.400 this is awesome. This kid, this is a good looking kid. 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.639 She's gonna die for him. It's gonna be awesome. I 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:20.200 hope you can act. Yeah, and he delivered in a 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:24.600 big way. Jason is the greatest he is so, I 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.359 mean when the show started, Brian was younger, so the guys, 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:29.919 like I feel like everyone was kind of separated on 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:31.600 set a little bit, like the guys hung out with 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:33.760 the guys, the girls, the girls, and then Brian kind 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:38.280 of was like navigating both worlds, feeling like the younger kid. Yeah. Well, 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.760 Brian right off the bat felt more like a younger 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:43.719 brother than me. I was ten years older than ten 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.480 years older than you too, So it's like it's kind 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:50.280 of hard to relate to a sixteen year old when 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:56.439