Speaker 1: Ben Johnson and how he teaches he's receiver to run round.
Speaker 1: They put two seconds back.
Speaker 2: On the clock.
Speaker 1: There he is a rookie Laporta and the Lions hat
Speaker 1: the first touchdown of the night.
Speaker 3: Second down and six.
Speaker 1: Golf started to his luck and he picked intercepted by
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters. Able to stay in bounds, He's gone, I
Speaker 1: see no flags. Touchdown Raiders seventy four yards on the return,
Speaker 1: and the Raiders are back in the ballgame. Dan Skipper
Speaker 1: comes in at left guard as they hand the Gibbs
Speaker 1: and Gibbs breaks it touchdown.
Speaker 2: One a night for the rookie.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was the Jamir Gibbs breakout game for the
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions. The rookie running back went off for a
Speaker 4: buck fifty two. And yes, that touchdown were an incredibly
Speaker 4: well built woman lifted him into the stands without any
Speaker 4: any sweat at all. Maybe we'll get to that a
Speaker 4: little bit later. That was incredible feat of strength by
Speaker 4: that woman. The Detroit Lions put a hammering on the
Speaker 4: Raiders and the final score twenty six to fourteen doesn't
Speaker 4: quite reflect what happened in this game, a game in
Speaker 4: which the Lions offense was on the field virtually the
Speaker 4: whole game, and when Jimmy G and the Raiders offense
Speaker 4: was on the field, it was carnage and complete ineffectiveness.
Speaker 4: So you have two teams going in two different directions.
Speaker 4: Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, Greg, this is good
Speaker 4: for the Lions, obviously, after the humbling at the hands
Speaker 4: of the Ravens. This was a nice get well opponent.
Speaker 4: The Raiders are going to do that a lot for
Speaker 4: people down the stretch.
Speaker 5: I think, I know the Raiders are three and five
Speaker 5: and yet they feel like a one in seventeen. But
Speaker 5: tonight was about the Lions getting a Monday night game
Speaker 5: for the first time in five years and completely dominating.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about how Dan Campbell said before last
Speaker 5: week's game that his models of what he wanted the
Speaker 5: Lions to be like were the Ravens and the Steelers,
Speaker 5: and then I was thinking about this game and I
Speaker 5: was like, well, this kind of reminded me of the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three Ravens.
Speaker 3: You could see everything.
Speaker 5: It's right there to be one of the best teams
Speaker 5: in the NFL. The defensive line just got after Jimmy
Speaker 5: G at the very end of this game, you're able
Speaker 5: to develop these rookies. Sam Laporta and Jamior Gibbs are
Speaker 5: great stories for the first half of their season, and
Speaker 5: Gibbs going what over one hundred and ninety or one
Speaker 5: hundred and yeah ninety or eighty nine yards from scrimmage
Speaker 5: including five catchs, Like you're seeing all the good things,
Speaker 5: but they just kept shooting themselves in the foot. They
Speaker 5: were terrible in the red zone. You had the Jared
Speaker 5: Goff pick six, you had the fumble inside the five,
Speaker 5: you're settling for short field goals, and so there was
Speaker 5: just enough of like, come on, let's just put this
Speaker 5: game away to frustrate you. But looking big picture, with
Speaker 5: all their injuries, ultimately I take the positive that it's
Speaker 5: like you're on the field with another NFL team, you're
Speaker 5: so clearly better than them that you can play with
Speaker 5: your food a little bit and you can still win comfortably.
Speaker 6: They remind me of the strangely I was thinking about
Speaker 6: this of the nineteen ninety one Cowboys, which was the
Speaker 6: year before they won the Super Bowl. They would you know,
Speaker 6: with no they went to the playoffs, no apologies, they
Speaker 6: deserved to go, and they looked like that kind of
Speaker 6: a team. They had their ups and downs, they were
Speaker 6: learning how to win. They had a couple like tough
Speaker 6: losses during that season two and some controversy. But I
Speaker 6: look at a game like tonight, they rolled four hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty six yards and the Raiders, who are a
Speaker 6: punchless opponent, had one hundred and fifty seven. And you
Speaker 6: have young players showing up all over the roster left
Speaker 6: and right if you're the Lions. And I just look
Speaker 6: at the two teams and how they've chosen to rebuild
Speaker 6: over the last couple of years, and there's such a
Speaker 6: dark and deep contrast. And I cannot think of a
Speaker 6: fan base that comes at me harder than the Raiders
Speaker 6: fan base because of what I say on the show
Speaker 6: sometimes and what I've said even in the off season.
Speaker 6: And I stick to it harder than any time ever
Speaker 6: in my life, because.
Speaker 5: They take your victory lap Mark, you were right, you
Speaker 5: were You know what forms that weren't gonna be any
Speaker 5: better than the.
Speaker 3: Raider, that would be better than the Raiders?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I you know what, It's It's like I think,
Speaker 6: like I'll say what Wes used to say was like
Speaker 6: what would a Raider? What would a Raiders fan want
Speaker 6: like do you want what you have and you want
Speaker 6: to fight someone saying that they see inequality and problems
Speaker 6: like they they seem like a lost forest to me,
Speaker 6: Like what is the plan like if you I, well, no, sorry,
Speaker 6: but I just I mean I I We're two years
Speaker 6: into this and I no direction and like not to
Speaker 6: just go negative on the on the Raiders. This is
Speaker 6: more about a Lion's story. This is more about the
Speaker 6: rebuilding project.
Speaker 2: Of the Lions. Maybe went to the Raiders mark. So
Speaker 2: let's stay at the Raiders for a second.
Speaker 4: So I think it's interesting the way you set that
Speaker 4: up and that the Lions did tear it down and
Speaker 4: the Lions, you know, it took a long time and
Speaker 4: it's been Lions fans know it.
Speaker 2: You heard the way that building was going.
Speaker 4: Nuts because like like I said, it's been five years
Speaker 4: since a Monday night game and the energy in there
Speaker 4: that is such a great passionate fan base. The Raiders
Speaker 4: are a team that while the Lions with the exception
Speaker 4: of having GoF there and he's turned into this pleasant surprise.
Speaker 4: I don't think the plan was that he was going
Speaker 4: to be the long term QB. But it's just almost
Speaker 4: turning into that situation, like the Raiders almost refused to
Speaker 4: just truly tear it down at this stage. The fact
Speaker 4: that they went from Derek Carr and went to Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 4: that always struck me as just kind of an odd
Speaker 4: move and if they're just almost trying to tread water.
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of it goes back to
Speaker 4: Josh mccaniels was a bad hire. It's clear this this
Speaker 4: team doesn't have an identity. The offense is in a rut,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't help that Garoppolo, who is you know,
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, a lot of the things
Speaker 4: we talk about with Brock Purdy and whether he deserves
Speaker 4: credit for what he does in Kyle Shannan's offense, the
Speaker 4: same people were asking the same questions about Jimmy g
Speaker 4: And just look at the difference. And I'll use Devanta
Speaker 4: Adams as an example here. Devanta Adams, who won successive drives,
Speaker 4: got overthrown when he was all by himself and it
Speaker 4: was basically two catches in ninety eight yards and two
Speaker 4: touchdowns worth of missproduction.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 4: Garppolo just airmailing throws out of bounds when one of
Speaker 4: the best wide receivers in the last thirty years was
Speaker 4: uncovered and going into the end zone that that game
Speaker 4: could have been interesting because the lines refuse to close
Speaker 4: the door and it just shows like how vulnerable Garoppolo
Speaker 4: looks outside of San Francisco, and quite frankly, I don't know,
Speaker 4: he's not popular here, but Derek Carr he kept he
Speaker 4: kept Devanta Adams as a high level player. Last year
Speaker 4: when he was in town. They took a big step
Speaker 4: down a quarterback. The head coach is lost. Max Crosby
Speaker 4: can't do it alone on defense. It's just a lot.
Speaker 4: There's a lot to do there in terms of getting
Speaker 4: things right, and I think it starts with an actual
Speaker 4: tear down and yes, a change at head coach.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, like, I agree, but their version
Speaker 5: of a teardown is just hiring a new coach and
Speaker 5: then then they just tear it down again in another
Speaker 5: couple of years.
Speaker 3: It's like John Gruden.
Speaker 5: I know, they won ten games and he was doing
Speaker 5: a much better job coaching overall for the Raiders, although
Speaker 5: it was his interim head coach that came in and
Speaker 5: actually won those games in that year. But they were
Speaker 5: they were moving the ball at least they looked like
Speaker 5: a functional team, but there was no long term talent.
Speaker 5: There's never any long term planning there and you can
Speaker 5: see that still in this The looks on Josh McDaniel's
Speaker 5: face as early as the first quarter was just like
Speaker 5: he is just an energy sucker. You know, we get
Speaker 5: emails sometimes from our boss to be an energy giver. Like,
Speaker 5: just looking at McDaniels takes energy away from me. Even
Speaker 5: looking at a TV, I can't imagine like playing for
Speaker 5: him and Garoppolo, this is by far the worst version
Speaker 5: of Garoppolo. It's not just that he's not in Kyle
Speaker 5: Shanahan's system. He's playing with an injured back, he's holding
Speaker 5: onto the ball, he's just missing open throws. He looked
Speaker 5: old tonight. And the first thing he does on the
Speaker 5: very first play third and long is he tries to
Speaker 5: run for a first down and he gets drilled in
Speaker 5: the back diving for a first down. And it's like,
Speaker 5: this guy is tough, but it's the reason why he
Speaker 5: always gets hurt, Like that's how he heard his ACL
Speaker 5: was on a play where he basically didn't give up
Speaker 5: on the play either.
Speaker 3: And it's a tough situation.
Speaker 5: They're gonna have to think about going to Aidan O'Connell soon,
Speaker 5: because I think, like this is pretty untenable.
Speaker 2: He was asked about it.
Speaker 4: By the way, mc daniels said after the game, he
Speaker 4: didn't think about turning to O'Connell today. It was still
Speaker 4: a one score game for a while. According to Victor
Speaker 4: for tafferd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's probably a few weeks away from that.
Speaker 6: I mean, but but why not at this point? But
Speaker 6: I also think that if you're you're in a tough
Speaker 6: spot if you're the coach at this point, like you're
Speaker 6: overseeing a sinking ship. But like seven targets to DeVante Adams,
Speaker 6: he catches one for eleven yards, but.
Speaker 5: He dropped the killer one for the second straight week two,
Speaker 5: which is like it's all bad. Even the good players
Speaker 5: are playing poorly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like four of their six drives in the
Speaker 6: first half went for less than seven yards. All I'm
Speaker 6: saying is that in theory, if you were the Raiders,
Speaker 6: you hired Josh McDaniel, and also you fell for Josh
Speaker 6: McDaniels because we've seen him when he escapes you know, Gillette,
Speaker 6: and he becomes a fraud and like he so he
Speaker 6: did it again, and it's like, you get him outside
Speaker 6: of New England and you've got problems, You've got team meetings,
Speaker 6: you got left and right stuff going on. I just
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know who is still buying
Speaker 6: into this.
Speaker 3: I don't know nobody is. Nobody is.
Speaker 5: I mean, they'll probably trade Renfro tomorrow if I had
Speaker 5: to guess if anyone's gonna get it. I mean, you
Speaker 5: also have like Hunter Renfro like falling on multiple early
Speaker 5: third downs. It's kind of like they can't do anything right.
Speaker 5: And the defense has played a little better, just a little,
Speaker 5: but a little better than I would have expected this year.
Speaker 5: On balance, they've been pretty close to average in general,
Speaker 5: and the offense is just one of the very worst.
Speaker 4: And they should not just because it would be good
Speaker 4: for podcasters across the country and beyond, but they should
Speaker 4: trade Devonte Adams, Like where this team is where they
Speaker 4: need to go. They really do need to do a
Speaker 4: systemic reboot of the whole operation. And Adams is still
Speaker 4: a supremely talented wide receiver who could put a team
Speaker 4: over the top, and the type of guy that I know.
Speaker 4: We always seem to overvalue these veterans and trades. But
Speaker 4: I think that guy could absolutely fetch a first round
Speaker 4: pick if you're the Raiders. How do you not like
Speaker 4: think about that if you get a phone call tomorrow
Speaker 4: given where you are now, Now back to the line.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the stats tell the story of complete domination.
Speaker 4: There's a there's a level of frustration to the game
Speaker 4: as well, because they were a little sloppy. You know,
Speaker 4: Jared Goff threw a terrible pick six to Marcus Peters.
Speaker 4: Riley Peterson miss is a twenty six yard field goal
Speaker 4: they loot, They turned the ball over in the red zone.
Speaker 4: They have to settle for four other field goals, many
Speaker 4: a couple of them pretty short. So it wasn't a
Speaker 4: perfect game, but like like you're saying, it is a
Speaker 4: little bit of a just playing with their food type performance.
Speaker 4: And I think the more important part is, yes, that
Speaker 4: Jamiir Gibbs, who you know, a draft pick that wasn't
Speaker 4: overly celebrated back in April because he wasn't Bjean Robinson,
Speaker 4: who is the flashiest name in the draft class, and
Speaker 4: because they they cleared out their running back room, which
Speaker 4: was very productive last year. It's like, why are we
Speaker 4: doing that Well, what you saw from Gibbs today is
Speaker 4: like an explosive young player and a guy that's going
Speaker 4: to keep it getting better. And the Sam Laporta side
Speaker 4: of things, their tight end. This isn't new. He's been
Speaker 4: doing this really since week one. He again looked like
Speaker 4: a young star in the rise. It's just all it's
Speaker 4: all there, and can they put it together when it counts?
Speaker 4: Because the division is there, so they're gonna win this division.
Speaker 4: They're gonna have a home game. Can they get into
Speaker 4: that conversation for.
Speaker 5: You're a Lions fan, I'm sure they totally agree with you,
Speaker 5: but they also probably are just like, Okay, let's let's
Speaker 5: continue to get there. Like I know that's probably going
Speaker 5: to happen, but we being the Lions, haven't actually won
Speaker 5: a division in twenty years, or we won a playoff.
Speaker 3: And get there.
Speaker 4: Even the most pessimistic sports fan, if you are a
Speaker 4: Bears fan and you wake up on Tuesday morning, if
Speaker 4: you're a Lions fan, you wake up Tuesday morning, you're
Speaker 4: six and two, and behind you in the standings is
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings, who just lost their quarterback to an
Speaker 4: achilles tear with no one behind him. The Packers, who
Speaker 4: are as sloppy as any operation in the NFC right now,
Speaker 4: and they who were totally lost at very very well
Speaker 4: for you know how.
Speaker 5: Many teams they play with a winning record the rest
Speaker 5: of the season one one week and Dallas like other
Speaker 5: than that, they have an AT Saints and an AT Chargers.
Speaker 5: Those are the three hardest games left with with nine
Speaker 5: games left in the season, so it's set up very
Speaker 5: well for them to actually compete for the number one
Speaker 5: overall seed.
Speaker 6: Can I give you an odd comparison, because I think
Speaker 6: they're the kind of team that could beat Dallas number one,
Speaker 6: but during the game the Cowboys now not the ninety
Speaker 6: one Cowboys. Uh, Greg, I know you've read these these books,
Speaker 6: uh Little Women.
Speaker 3: Prejudice, I think it's underrated, I think and.
Speaker 6: Prejudice also, and like these are these are books where
Speaker 6: it's like a fleet of Sisters, right, and there's like
Speaker 6: the leads Star where like the course the leads Star
Speaker 6: is going to go get the guy Tom womsbagging like
Speaker 6: as a younger actor in like Pride and Prejudice. But
Speaker 6: I would say this, the Lions are the sturdy like
Speaker 6: second Sister, totally solid, great fortune too, and I'm not
Speaker 6: sure it's all going to happen for them this year.
Speaker 3: So they're Kiera Knightley.
Speaker 6: No, Kiera Knightley is like the stars. She gets like
Speaker 6: the main one, but it's like the girl from Gone Girl.
Speaker 5: That like second there Rose Pike because when they were younger, though,
Speaker 5: it almost looked like she was the bigger catch, because
Speaker 5: there's maybe more convention guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're talking about either, don't.
Speaker 6: Well, it's getting like this getting subjective, but I'm saying
Speaker 6: they're more the second fiddle a little bit to some
Speaker 6: of these other you know, the Eagles, but they are
Speaker 6: in the picture.
Speaker 2: They are viable, they are real though the.
Speaker 4: Lions in full flight and even today where they're not
Speaker 4: in full flight, but the damn dangerous are good. Like
Speaker 4: why did why do we even see them as so
Speaker 4: far behind the Eagles?
Speaker 3: Like I don't, I don't, I don't I came so
Speaker 3: far behind?
Speaker 2: Why the prettiest girl?
Speaker 6: Because because the Eagles have fulfilled that journey to show
Speaker 6: us that they already can get there, and I still
Speaker 6: think they're DNA's they can get there. And the Lions
Speaker 6: are the team that, like a week ago are to
Speaker 6: me or like the newer great team that are learning
Speaker 6: how to be that team and they got wiped out.
Speaker 6: That's not the DNA of great teams, and they that
Speaker 6: won't happen to them, that will happen to them less
Speaker 6: and less, and I see them now more and more
Speaker 6: as a rising force. I totally believe in them. I
Speaker 6: think they're totally attractive, but like they're not the lead horse.
Speaker 3: Okay, I I think it's an interesting question that I.
Speaker 2: Think that's I can't get.
Speaker 4: It's a second show in a row where we're recording
Speaker 4: later at night from the home, and you just have
Speaker 4: a totally different even tone.
Speaker 2: To your voice. It's it's really messing with me.
Speaker 6: I do I don't. I'm what might be my microphone,
Speaker 6: but like I'm just saying I don't need it. I'm
Speaker 6: not need to shove them into the number one spot
Speaker 6: in the NFC.
Speaker 5: But they're think it's a great to ask, is why
Speaker 5: wouldn't they be with the Eagles and the forty nine
Speaker 5: ers and a couple things pop up number one to
Speaker 5: just be their cornerbacks. I think they could make it
Speaker 5: if someone was gonna make a trade for like an
Speaker 5: Adori Jackson, not like a superstar, but just someone that
Speaker 5: can play some snaps. I think the Lions would be there.
Speaker 5: They're injured there there, They've been very injured in general.
Speaker 5: The oh line was injured. You saw that tonight. Goff
Speaker 5: was under a ton of pressure, especially early in this game.
Speaker 5: They'll get healthier, but their cornerbacks. But the biggest answer
Speaker 5: Dan would be, other than experience, would be are their
Speaker 5: best players close to as good as the best players
Speaker 5: of the best teams. And you got Laporta and Gibbs.
Speaker 5: These are two rookies that are getting better. You got Montgomery,
Speaker 5: you got Aman Ross Saint Brown is a good player.
Speaker 5: You got Hutchinson, you got Branch, you got this nice group.
Speaker 5: Alim McNeil really made a big fourth down stop early.
Speaker 5: Good good player. Are these guys ready and Golf is
Speaker 5: kind of in that group to level up.
Speaker 3: Even a little more, well, I think that's to get.
Speaker 5: Closer to the superstar Not that they'll be superstars, but
Speaker 5: will they be that level of players. That's why I
Speaker 5: don't put them quite with those top teams. But I
Speaker 5: think sometimes you can add it all up and then
Speaker 5: they can have a magical night in a magical run,
Speaker 5: and it could happen.
Speaker 6: But that's why that is a great way to put that.
Speaker 4: I think it's funny because I thought you were edging
Speaker 4: toward and maybe you were, even if you didn't say it.
Speaker 4: Like Jared Goff, like is he going to be a
Speaker 4: guy that you could count on to level up? I mean,
Speaker 4: he's been to a super Bowl before.
Speaker 5: We always seem no, I think he's part of like
Speaker 5: the rest of that whole thing, But yes, he would
Speaker 5: be part of it.
Speaker 4: He's the most But like, yeah, I look at you know,
Speaker 4: even I think Jalen Hurts is somebody that I see
Speaker 4: when we talk about the big teams in the NFC.
Speaker 4: He he's a quarter ahead above these other guys. But like,
Speaker 4: do I think that Dak Prescott is so much more
Speaker 4: superior to Goff?
Speaker 2: I don't I think he.
Speaker 4: Maybe I would take Dak if I had to pick one,
Speaker 4: but I don't think it's that crazy Brock party. Obviously
Speaker 4: he's in a little bit of a slump right now,
Speaker 4: but I think he's a good quarter back. I think
Speaker 4: Goff is every bit his equal, And I think you
Speaker 4: just look around the NFC, there's I think.
Speaker 3: But aj Deebo, Samuel all.
Speaker 4: You know that but I mean, look at it, an
Speaker 4: Saint Brown like this guy. Yep, he's a true number one.
Speaker 4: They would really help if Jameson Williams turns into a
Speaker 4: guy for them, But every week it seems to be
Speaker 4: one step forward, two steps back.
Speaker 5: They had some booze when Jamison Williams dropped one. Yeah early,
Speaker 5: He did make a nice catch later in the game,
Speaker 5: and then he was also set up for the most
Speaker 5: thankless end around play in the history of football when
Speaker 5: the second he touched the ball, Max Crosby exploded his body.
Speaker 5: It was like Randy Johnson's pitch hitting that bird in
Speaker 5: spring training twenty years ago. Right for Max, it was insane.
Speaker 5: Max Crosby is insane. He's he's not going anywhere. By
Speaker 5: the way, He's a top ten defensive player in the
Speaker 5: entire NFL. He he might be below Myles Garrett and
Speaker 5: why in Parsons, but like if he is, if he is,
Speaker 5: it's barely below.
Speaker 4: All right, let's stop right there, take a break, and
Speaker 4: then we will continue on.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back.
Speaker 6: Well, you mentioned Max Crosby prior to our and that
Speaker 6: break was great, Like it's great to I love listening
Speaker 6: to the to the ads and taking a real break
Speaker 6: and just enjoying myself during that time. But uh, like
Speaker 6: the I so when I went to UH, I did
Speaker 6: a long form that you guys always talk about, these
Speaker 6: long forms.
Speaker 2: They used to do, like after Dark.
Speaker 6: It was the Raiders last home game in Oakland, and
Speaker 6: along the sideline, you had you had your John Gruden's,
Speaker 6: you had a lot of Raiders legends, you know, hanging out.
Speaker 6: But Max Crosby's mom was like an official Raiders photographer
Speaker 6: down on the sideline with like a massive like scope
Speaker 6: lens and like all sorts of equipment, and couldn't had
Speaker 6: been a nicer woman, and like was so proud of
Speaker 6: her son, and like it always made me think of
Speaker 6: Max Crosby differently. But then it was like he was
Speaker 6: a rookie then and I was like, I don't know
Speaker 6: what he's going to become. Then it's like he's a
Speaker 6: superstar now. So that's one thing they've got. They don't
Speaker 6: got a lot else.
Speaker 4: Did you reconnect with Max Crosby's mom for your Mother's
Speaker 4: Day long form?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: You know what, you know, what's so incredible is that
Speaker 6: it had nothing to do with the Mother's Day long form.
Speaker 6: But I just continue to connect with moms and mothers
Speaker 6: all over the place.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're getting mileage out of this Mother's Day one.
Speaker 5: We gotta we got to bring it back. Maybe Father's Day.
Speaker 5: Do a Father's Day sequel.
Speaker 6: I mean it was large.
Speaker 2: Mark. Just keep talking, Bud, just go what did I do?
Speaker 6: Like, I'm just telling you the truth?
Speaker 3: Like it?
Speaker 2: No, go, I want to go down that mom road
Speaker 2: a little bit more.
Speaker 6: I just I don't know. I've always I feel like you.
Speaker 6: I was the kind of person that always Greg would
Speaker 6: be this way too. I think whenever, like you'd be
Speaker 6: young and like you'd have a paramore young person, like
Speaker 6: like the mom always is like this seems like a
Speaker 6: relatively safe individual for.
Speaker 4: Mie, the lead singer of Delaware the Greatest, like acid.
Speaker 6: Pro Delawares, like Delaware went out of operation like eighteen
Speaker 6: months into it's you know it's run.
Speaker 5: So hey, don't talk, don't talk bad about Delaware. And yes,
Speaker 5: I do love a little mom energy in this world.
Speaker 5: We need, we need more. Shout out to Max Crosby
Speaker 5: for donating a million dollars to his university. Tonight they
Speaker 5: announced there today a million dollars. I don't know about
Speaker 5: I don't think I would give any I don't give
Speaker 5: any money to universities.
Speaker 6: Universities seem like the last place to need us to donate.
Speaker 5: But that's what's a borderline. Most of them are like
Speaker 5: borderline criminal organizations. But that's another podcast.
Speaker 2: You know you're talking about, too lane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm sure that you know every institution is crooked,
Speaker 4: but maybe down there it's a little worse.
Speaker 5: I don't mean crooked, I just mean like they're taking
Speaker 5: all this money, and you know you could go to
Speaker 5: a school for I get an keeper that's much better
Speaker 5: a ton.
Speaker 2: Like everyone else.
Speaker 4: I guess of junk from my album Mater Northeastern University.
Speaker 2: I've never opened one of the envelopes, never once.
Speaker 4: All Right, anything else from this game or anywhere else.
Speaker 4: The trade deadline is closing in tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 3: Well just from this game.
Speaker 5: This is one of the reasons why you take Gibbs
Speaker 5: by the way, is you're gonna have different points of
Speaker 5: the season where you can't give him thirty touches or
Speaker 5: twenty five like they did a week, going than thirty
Speaker 5: t every week. But this is why this is the
Speaker 5: reason to have two running backs. Sometimes one's gone and
Speaker 5: then the other one takes over, and then Gibbs is
Speaker 5: gun and the other one takes over, and then they're
Speaker 5: in better position when they get to the very end.
Speaker 5: I think the Lions have done a nice job on that.
Speaker 5: Like throughout their roster, you see they rotate in seven
Speaker 5: to eight defensive linemen. It's why they've they've been able
Speaker 5: to survive injuries. It's a really well built team. I'm
Speaker 5: glad they gave Brad Brad Holmes some pop their GM
Speaker 5: who's done a really nice job on the broadcast. And
Speaker 5: they're a smart team. I noticed that they're always very
Speaker 5: well prepared for situational football. Doesn't mean everything ends up
Speaker 5: going right, but I always get on coaches for clocks
Speaker 5: and like being ready in the moment. They're never scrambling
Speaker 5: to get that play in. They're they're never not wondering
Speaker 5: what they're gonna do at fourth and three or fourth
Speaker 5: and one, and they always have a plan for it.
Speaker 5: And I really admire Dan Campbell and the staff that
Speaker 5: they have. They they're gonna be a fun team that's
Speaker 5: gonna have a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Night footballs fine.
Speaker 6: And Dan, this will be far less intellectual than that
Speaker 6: comment by Greg but like if we if you're watching
Speaker 6: the YouTube, I do think we have the copy of
Speaker 6: like that extremely strong woman pulling Jamir Gibbs into the stands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget about like little women. Let's talk about
Speaker 4: a jacked woman, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Like this is a powerful moment for all women.
Speaker 1: Touchdown one to night for the rookie. Look at that,
Speaker 1: come back, Jamyr, come back.
Speaker 6: I think that woman clearly seemed to be paired up
Speaker 6: with a gentleman you know, next door at the moment,
Speaker 6: but then she just pulled Jimier Gibbs right in between them.
Speaker 2: Couldn't have been it.
Speaker 6: More excited about the entire scenario.
Speaker 5: Watch out, watch out for what she might join the team.
Speaker 3: Or I mean, like you never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You never you never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Just so like just like that, you know, just let
Speaker 4: Mark finish all his thoughts tonight, go ahead, Mark, No, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just saying like that.
Speaker 6: I thought it was a surprising moment for multiple people,
Speaker 6: like that one little if you go watch that video,
Speaker 6: multiple people were surprised by it, and uh.
Speaker 3: Well that's a great point, Mark, thank you.
Speaker 6: Tony GROSSI I think like I just think that that's
Speaker 6: you know, it was one of my favorite moments of
Speaker 6: a largely forgettable moment and evening for the Raiders and
Speaker 6: Raiders fans don't even just settle down for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Mm fair.
Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo said he's pissed he didn't play well. Quote,
Speaker 4: I have to be smart with the football, get the
Speaker 4: ball out on. We have to keep plugging away. There's
Speaker 4: so much love in that locker room. It sucks to
Speaker 4: have played like that. Yeah, he's had some stinkers in
Speaker 4: his career and he's been around for a while now, but.
Speaker 2: He was so lost in this game.
Speaker 4: And there was one even a completion he made where
Speaker 4: he kind of dropped it down side arm when it
Speaker 4: was turning away and he completed the pass, but it
Speaker 4: was clearly just trying to protect himself. It seemed like
Speaker 4: almost I'd never seen him playing with less confidence. And
Speaker 4: my last Raiders thought is we're all piling on Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 4: And that's fair because he's really not doing the job there,
Speaker 4: and he hasn't ever done the job when he's been
Speaker 4: given this level of responsibility. But Dave Ziggler is also there.
Speaker 4: He's the general manager. I think this is his second year,
Speaker 4: and I see what you're saying, Greg that, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: why tear it down, You're just gonna do it again
Speaker 4: three years from now. Like but if they don't have
Speaker 4: the right leadership in place, and this is you know,
Speaker 4: just you gotta find the right people and look at it.
Speaker 2: The Lions are per example.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many times did that organization go through
Speaker 4: coaches and gms and quarterbacks and just tear down, tear
Speaker 4: down until finally there was.
Speaker 2: A setup that's stuck.
Speaker 4: I feel like the Raiders fans who are it's a great, passionate, loud,
Speaker 4: rambunctious fan base, they deserve better than what they're getting
Speaker 4: right now in this era of Rangers football. And it's
Speaker 4: been a while now. I mean, I agree, this has
Speaker 4: been a rough rough twenty years or.
Speaker 2: So now for the Raiders and their fans.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 5: And in that case, you can also point to ownership
Speaker 5: and wonder if it'll ever change, you know, if certain
Speaker 5: things stay the same. But it changed with the Lions.
Speaker 5: They did head it on eventually, and for what it's worth,
Speaker 5: the team owner has another team that's won two straight
Speaker 5: championships in the WMBA the Aces.
Speaker 3: They're back in the Monday Night Football podcast.
Speaker 5: You know, Mark Davis is killing it with his other team,
Speaker 5: so I'm with you. It's kind of like a player
Speaker 5: a first round pick. That's one thing Josh McDaniel's and
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick we're good at with their bad draft picks,
Speaker 5: don't They know when they're bad and they just get
Speaker 5: rid of them quickly. So if I think you're right,
Speaker 5: I think McDaniels is out this year.
Speaker 2: I feel like when you keep mentioning.
Speaker 4: The Las Vegas Aces to bait me into saying something
Speaker 4: to get myself in trouble, but I'm not going to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 5: I just was pointing out that the ownership is like
Speaker 5: terrible or cursor thinking that way. But then I was like, well,
Speaker 5: he literally has one other team that is dominating that sport,
Speaker 5: so maybe maybe he just needs to hit on the
Speaker 5: right guy.
Speaker 3: And it's not Josh McDaniels. That's for sure.
Speaker 6: Football is completely different than basketball.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to get out of here. When we
Speaker 3: hit record.
Speaker 5: As fast as DeVante Adams got it off that field,
Speaker 5: I mean he was sprinting out of there.
Speaker 3: He is fed up.
Speaker 4: He is fed Honestly, I didn't pull that number out
Speaker 4: of thin air. Those back to back possessions. I think
Speaker 4: it was in the fourth quarter if you add it up.
Speaker 4: One was from the two yard line, no safety over
Speaker 4: top if and he had beaten the corner, he is
Speaker 4: going for ninety eight yards in a touchdown. And then
Speaker 4: on the next drive it's from their forty. Once again,
Speaker 4: he runs a beautiful route. This guy's still an elite player,
Speaker 4: and he just gets overthrown again out of the out
Speaker 4: of bounds. Now that one, maybe a safety cuts him
Speaker 4: off and stops him scoring. Maybe, but it's very likely.
Speaker 4: That's two catches for ninety eight yards and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, a game that the lines refused to put
Speaker 4: away is getting away from them. But Garoppolo just didn't
Speaker 4: show up. And that's and that's very frustrating. And even
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna defend McDaniels, but like when the quarterback's
Speaker 4: missing layups like that, everyone's gonna look worse. But obviously
Speaker 4: there's layers to the issues with Las Vegas.
Speaker 6: Right now, I'd say one little quick thing, like like
Speaker 6: to your point before dant Derek Carr, for all we
Speaker 6: think of him, like plus and minus like he and
Speaker 6: DeVante Adams worked a year ago. They worked fine. That's
Speaker 6: why there's a large reason why DeVante Adams came there,
Speaker 6: along with the money and the player we just watched
Speaker 6: on the video on this broadcast. Here is a player
Speaker 6: that does not want to be where he is. He
Speaker 6: does not want to be there, and this organization needs
Speaker 6: to figure out how to deal with that situation. And
Speaker 6: I wonder if it could be dealt with as quickly
Speaker 6: as tomorrow, but I don't think it will be because
Speaker 6: they don't figure that stuff out. And it's like, I'm
Speaker 6: not on my previous comments, I'm not trying to kill
Speaker 6: Raiders fans. I think the Raiders are a great organization historically,
Speaker 6: but you cannot sit and just rip people that rip
Speaker 6: the team because this is a mess right now. I
Speaker 6: just see a mess from all angles. I see a mess.
Speaker 5: Well, look a look at the Lions and see hope.
Speaker 5: These are the only two teams in the NFL that
Speaker 5: have not won a division or a playoff game in
Speaker 5: twenty years, the Lions and the Raiders, So in that way,
Speaker 5: they're the least successful teams in one of them has
Speaker 5: got it right, and that's a good tease Mark, because
Speaker 5: we're going to be back right when trade deadline happens.
Speaker 5: We are taping another podcast and that is in about
Speaker 5: trying to do the math sixteen hours.
Speaker 3: I think, so see you then, guys.
Speaker 2: Devout day.
Speaker 4: Adams had one hundred catches for one thy five hundred
Speaker 4: and sixteen yards and fourteen touchdowns last year, and now
Speaker 4: they can't even get him the ball. And I will say,
Speaker 4: to his credit, and you've seen wide receivers which are
Speaker 4: a different breed shut it down or become malcontents, and
Speaker 4: you could tell that the effort level's not there. I
Speaker 4: think Adams is a really good teammate and a guy
Speaker 4: that's giving everything he has. He's just being hung out
Speaker 4: to dry by an organization that's just rudderless right now,
Speaker 4: which is he made the decision to go there. He
Speaker 4: kind of engineered that whole move. I wonder how he's
Speaker 4: feeling about that right now. Probably, I don't know, could
Speaker 4: have trade happened. I guess we'll wait and see. All right,
Speaker 4: we will be yes back, like Greg said, tomorrow, and
Speaker 4: hopefully we have some blockbusters to talk about. But I
Speaker 4: guess you got to come back and find out, don't
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