1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson and how he teaches he's receiver to run round. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: They put two seconds back. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: On the clock. 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: There he is a rookie Laporta and the Lions hat 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: the first touchdown of the night. 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 3: Second down and six. 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Golf started to his luck and he picked intercepted by 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Marcus Peters. Able to stay in bounds, He's gone, I 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: see no flags. Touchdown Raiders seventy four yards on the return, 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: and the Raiders are back in the ballgame. Dan Skipper 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: comes in at left guard as they hand the Gibbs 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: and Gibbs breaks it touchdown. 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: One a night for the rookie. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: Wow. 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 4: Yes, it was the Jamir Gibbs breakout game for the 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: Detroit Lions. The rookie running back went off for a 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: buck fifty two. And yes, that touchdown were an incredibly 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: well built woman lifted him into the stands without any 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 4: any sweat at all. Maybe we'll get to that a 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 4: little bit later. That was incredible feat of strength by 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 4: that woman. The Detroit Lions put a hammering on the 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 4: Raiders and the final score twenty six to fourteen doesn't 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 4: quite reflect what happened in this game, a game in 24 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 4: which the Lions offense was on the field virtually the 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 4: whole game, and when Jimmy G and the Raiders offense 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 4: was on the field, it was carnage and complete ineffectiveness. 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 4: So you have two teams going in two different directions. 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 4: Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, Greg, this is good 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 4: for the Lions, obviously, after the humbling at the hands 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: of the Ravens. This was a nice get well opponent. 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: The Raiders are going to do that a lot for 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 4: people down the stretch. 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 5: I think, I know the Raiders are three and five 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 5: and yet they feel like a one in seventeen. But 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 5: tonight was about the Lions getting a Monday night game 36 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 5: for the first time in five years and completely dominating. 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 5: I was thinking about how Dan Campbell said before last 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 5: week's game that his models of what he wanted the 39 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 5: Lions to be like were the Ravens and the Steelers, 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 5: and then I was thinking about this game and I 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 5: was like, well, this kind of reminded me of the 42 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three Ravens. 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: You could see everything. 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 5: It's right there to be one of the best teams 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 5: in the NFL. The defensive line just got after Jimmy 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 5: G at the very end of this game, you're able 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 5: to develop these rookies. Sam Laporta and Jamior Gibbs are 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 5: great stories for the first half of their season, and 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 5: Gibbs going what over one hundred and ninety or one 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 5: hundred and yeah ninety or eighty nine yards from scrimmage 51 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 5: including five catchs, Like you're seeing all the good things, 52 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: but they just kept shooting themselves in the foot. They 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 5: were terrible in the red zone. You had the Jared 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 5: Goff pick six, you had the fumble inside the five, 55 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 5: you're settling for short field goals, and so there was 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 5: just enough of like, come on, let's just put this 57 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 5: game away to frustrate you. But looking big picture, with 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 5: all their injuries, ultimately I take the positive that it's 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 5: like you're on the field with another NFL team, you're 60 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 5: so clearly better than them that you can play with 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 5: your food a little bit and you can still win comfortably. 62 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 6: They remind me of the strangely I was thinking about 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 6: this of the nineteen ninety one Cowboys, which was the 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 6: year before they won the Super Bowl. They would you know, 65 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 6: with no they went to the playoffs, no apologies, they 66 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 6: deserved to go, and they looked like that kind of 67 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 6: a team. They had their ups and downs, they were 68 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 6: learning how to win. They had a couple like tough 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 6: losses during that season two and some controversy. But I 70 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 6: look at a game like tonight, they rolled four hundred 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 6: and eighty six yards and the Raiders, who are a 72 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 6: punchless opponent, had one hundred and fifty seven. And you 73 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 6: have young players showing up all over the roster left 74 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 6: and right if you're the Lions. And I just look 75 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 6: at the two teams and how they've chosen to rebuild 76 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 6: over the last couple of years, and there's such a 77 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 6: dark and deep contrast. And I cannot think of a 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 6: fan base that comes at me harder than the Raiders 79 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 6: fan base because of what I say on the show 80 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 6: sometimes and what I've said even in the off season. 81 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 6: And I stick to it harder than any time ever 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 6: in my life, because. 83 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 5: They take your victory lap Mark, you were right, you 84 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 5: were You know what forms that weren't gonna be any 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 5: better than the. 86 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: Raider, that would be better than the Raiders? 87 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I you know what, It's It's like I think, 88 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 6: like I'll say what Wes used to say was like 89 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 6: what would a Raider? What would a Raiders fan want 90 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 6: like do you want what you have and you want 91 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 6: to fight someone saying that they see inequality and problems 92 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 6: like they they seem like a lost forest to me, 93 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 6: Like what is the plan like if you I, well, no, sorry, 94 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 6: but I just I mean I I We're two years 95 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 6: into this and I no direction and like not to 96 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 6: just go negative on the on the Raiders. This is 97 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 6: more about a Lion's story. This is more about the 98 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 6: rebuilding project. 99 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: Of the Lions. Maybe went to the Raiders mark. So 100 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: let's stay at the Raiders for a second. 101 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: So I think it's interesting the way you set that 102 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 4: up and that the Lions did tear it down and 103 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: the Lions, you know, it took a long time and 104 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 4: it's been Lions fans know it. 105 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: You heard the way that building was going. 106 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 4: Nuts because like like I said, it's been five years 107 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 4: since a Monday night game and the energy in there 108 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 4: that is such a great passionate fan base. The Raiders 109 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 4: are a team that while the Lions with the exception 110 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: of having GoF there and he's turned into this pleasant surprise. 111 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 4: I don't think the plan was that he was going 112 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 4: to be the long term QB. But it's just almost 113 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 4: turning into that situation, like the Raiders almost refused to 114 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: just truly tear it down at this stage. The fact 115 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 4: that they went from Derek Carr and went to Jimmy Garoppolo, 116 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: that always struck me as just kind of an odd 117 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 4: move and if they're just almost trying to tread water. 118 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: But I think a lot of it goes back to 119 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: Josh mccaniels was a bad hire. It's clear this this 120 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: team doesn't have an identity. The offense is in a rut, 121 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: and it doesn't help that Garoppolo, who is you know, 122 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, a lot of the things 123 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: we talk about with Brock Purdy and whether he deserves 124 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: credit for what he does in Kyle Shannan's offense, the 125 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 4: same people were asking the same questions about Jimmy g 126 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 4: And just look at the difference. And I'll use Devanta 127 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 4: Adams as an example here. Devanta Adams, who won successive drives, 128 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: got overthrown when he was all by himself and it 129 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: was basically two catches in ninety eight yards and two 130 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: touchdowns worth of missproduction. 131 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: There. 132 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: Garppolo just airmailing throws out of bounds when one of 133 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: the best wide receivers in the last thirty years was 134 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: uncovered and going into the end zone that that game 135 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 4: could have been interesting because the lines refuse to close 136 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: the door and it just shows like how vulnerable Garoppolo 137 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: looks outside of San Francisco, and quite frankly, I don't know, 138 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 4: he's not popular here, but Derek Carr he kept he 139 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: kept Devanta Adams as a high level player. Last year 140 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 4: when he was in town. They took a big step 141 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: down a quarterback. The head coach is lost. Max Crosby 142 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: can't do it alone on defense. It's just a lot. 143 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 4: There's a lot to do there in terms of getting 144 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 4: things right, and I think it starts with an actual 145 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: tear down and yes, a change at head coach. 146 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 5: But the thing is, like, I agree, but their version 147 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 5: of a teardown is just hiring a new coach and 148 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 5: then then they just tear it down again in another 149 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 5: couple of years. 150 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: It's like John Gruden. 151 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 5: I know, they won ten games and he was doing 152 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 5: a much better job coaching overall for the Raiders, although 153 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 5: it was his interim head coach that came in and 154 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 5: actually won those games in that year. But they were 155 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 5: they were moving the ball at least they looked like 156 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 5: a functional team, but there was no long term talent. 157 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 5: There's never any long term planning there and you can 158 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 5: see that still in this The looks on Josh McDaniel's 159 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 5: face as early as the first quarter was just like 160 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 5: he is just an energy sucker. You know, we get 161 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 5: emails sometimes from our boss to be an energy giver. Like, 162 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 5: just looking at McDaniels takes energy away from me. Even 163 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 5: looking at a TV, I can't imagine like playing for 164 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: him and Garoppolo, this is by far the worst version 165 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 5: of Garoppolo. It's not just that he's not in Kyle 166 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 5: Shanahan's system. He's playing with an injured back, he's holding 167 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 5: onto the ball, he's just missing open throws. He looked 168 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 5: old tonight. And the first thing he does on the 169 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 5: very first play third and long is he tries to 170 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 5: run for a first down and he gets drilled in 171 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 5: the back diving for a first down. And it's like, 172 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 5: this guy is tough, but it's the reason why he 173 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 5: always gets hurt, Like that's how he heard his ACL 174 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 5: was on a play where he basically didn't give up 175 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 5: on the play either. 176 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: And it's a tough situation. 177 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 5: They're gonna have to think about going to Aidan O'Connell soon, 178 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 5: because I think, like this is pretty untenable. 179 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: He was asked about it. 180 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: By the way, mc daniels said after the game, he 181 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: didn't think about turning to O'Connell today. It was still 182 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 4: a one score game for a while. According to Victor 183 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 4: for tafferd. 184 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's probably a few weeks away from that. 185 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 6: I mean, but but why not at this point? But 186 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 6: I also think that if you're you're in a tough 187 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 6: spot if you're the coach at this point, like you're 188 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 6: overseeing a sinking ship. But like seven targets to DeVante Adams, 189 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 6: he catches one for eleven yards, but. 190 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 5: He dropped the killer one for the second straight week two, 191 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 5: which is like it's all bad. Even the good players 192 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 5: are playing poorly. 193 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, and like four of their six drives in the 194 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 6: first half went for less than seven yards. All I'm 195 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 6: saying is that in theory, if you were the Raiders, 196 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 6: you hired Josh McDaniel, and also you fell for Josh 197 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 6: McDaniels because we've seen him when he escapes you know, Gillette, 198 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 6: and he becomes a fraud and like he so he 199 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 6: did it again, and it's like, you get him outside 200 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 6: of New England and you've got problems, You've got team meetings, 201 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 6: you got left and right stuff going on. I just 202 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know who is still buying 203 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 6: into this. 204 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: I don't know nobody is. Nobody is. 205 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 5: I mean, they'll probably trade Renfro tomorrow if I had 206 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 5: to guess if anyone's gonna get it. I mean, you 207 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 5: also have like Hunter Renfro like falling on multiple early 208 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 5: third downs. It's kind of like they can't do anything right. 209 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 5: And the defense has played a little better, just a little, 210 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 5: but a little better than I would have expected this year. 211 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 5: On balance, they've been pretty close to average in general, 212 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 5: and the offense is just one of the very worst. 213 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 4: And they should not just because it would be good 214 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 4: for podcasters across the country and beyond, but they should 215 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: trade Devonte Adams, Like where this team is where they 216 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 4: need to go. They really do need to do a 217 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: systemic reboot of the whole operation. And Adams is still 218 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: a supremely talented wide receiver who could put a team 219 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 4: over the top, and the type of guy that I know. 220 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: We always seem to overvalue these veterans and trades. But 221 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 4: I think that guy could absolutely fetch a first round 222 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: pick if you're the Raiders. How do you not like 223 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: think about that if you get a phone call tomorrow 224 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: given where you are now, Now back to the line. 225 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, the stats tell the story of complete domination. 226 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: There's a there's a level of frustration to the game 227 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: as well, because they were a little sloppy. You know, 228 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: Jared Goff threw a terrible pick six to Marcus Peters. 229 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: Riley Peterson miss is a twenty six yard field goal 230 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: they loot, They turned the ball over in the red zone. 231 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 4: They have to settle for four other field goals, many 232 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: a couple of them pretty short. So it wasn't a 233 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 4: perfect game, but like like you're saying, it is a 234 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,479 Speaker 4: little bit of a just playing with their food type performance. 235 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 4: And I think the more important part is, yes, that 236 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: Jamiir Gibbs, who you know, a draft pick that wasn't 237 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: overly celebrated back in April because he wasn't Bjean Robinson, 238 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: who is the flashiest name in the draft class, and 239 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: because they they cleared out their running back room, which 240 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: was very productive last year. It's like, why are we 241 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: doing that Well, what you saw from Gibbs today is 242 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: like an explosive young player and a guy that's going 243 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: to keep it getting better. And the Sam Laporta side 244 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: of things, their tight end. This isn't new. He's been 245 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 4: doing this really since week one. He again looked like 246 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 4: a young star in the rise. It's just all it's 247 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: all there, and can they put it together when it counts? 248 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: Because the division is there, so they're gonna win this division. 249 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 4: They're gonna have a home game. Can they get into 250 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 4: that conversation for. 251 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 5: You're a Lions fan, I'm sure they totally agree with you, 252 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 5: but they also probably are just like, Okay, let's let's 253 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 5: continue to get there. Like I know that's probably going 254 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 5: to happen, but we being the Lions, haven't actually won 255 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 5: a division in twenty years, or we won a playoff. 256 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: And get there. 257 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: Even the most pessimistic sports fan, if you are a 258 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 4: Bears fan and you wake up on Tuesday morning, if 259 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: you're a Lions fan, you wake up Tuesday morning, you're 260 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: six and two, and behind you in the standings is 261 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings, who just lost their quarterback to an 262 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: achilles tear with no one behind him. The Packers, who 263 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 4: are as sloppy as any operation in the NFC right now, 264 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 4: and they who were totally lost at very very well 265 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: for you know how. 266 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 5: Many teams they play with a winning record the rest 267 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 5: of the season one one week and Dallas like other 268 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 5: than that, they have an AT Saints and an AT Chargers. 269 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 5: Those are the three hardest games left with with nine 270 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 5: games left in the season, so it's set up very 271 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 5: well for them to actually compete for the number one 272 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 5: overall seed. 273 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 6: Can I give you an odd comparison, because I think 274 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 6: they're the kind of team that could beat Dallas number one, 275 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 6: but during the game the Cowboys now not the ninety 276 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 6: one Cowboys. Uh, Greg, I know you've read these these books, 277 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 6: uh Little Women. 278 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: Prejudice, I think it's underrated, I think and. 279 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 6: Prejudice also, and like these are these are books where 280 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 6: it's like a fleet of Sisters, right, and there's like 281 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 6: the leads Star where like the course the leads Star 282 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 6: is going to go get the guy Tom womsbagging like 283 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 6: as a younger actor in like Pride and Prejudice. But 284 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 6: I would say this, the Lions are the sturdy like 285 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 6: second Sister, totally solid, great fortune too, and I'm not 286 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 6: sure it's all going to happen for them this year. 287 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 3: So they're Kiera Knightley. 288 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 6: No, Kiera Knightley is like the stars. She gets like 289 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 6: the main one, but it's like the girl from Gone Girl. 290 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 5: That like second there Rose Pike because when they were younger, though, 291 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 5: it almost looked like she was the bigger catch, because 292 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: there's maybe more convention guys. 293 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what they're talking about either, don't. 294 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 6: Well, it's getting like this getting subjective, but I'm saying 295 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 6: they're more the second fiddle a little bit to some 296 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 6: of these other you know, the Eagles, but they are 297 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 6: in the picture. 298 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: They are viable, they are real though the. 299 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: Lions in full flight and even today where they're not 300 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: in full flight, but the damn dangerous are good. Like 301 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: why did why do we even see them as so 302 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 4: far behind the Eagles? 303 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: Like I don't, I don't, I don't I came so 304 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: far behind? 305 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: Why the prettiest girl? 306 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 6: Because because the Eagles have fulfilled that journey to show 307 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 6: us that they already can get there, and I still 308 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 6: think they're DNA's they can get there. And the Lions 309 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 6: are the team that, like a week ago are to 310 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 6: me or like the newer great team that are learning 311 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 6: how to be that team and they got wiped out. 312 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 6: That's not the DNA of great teams, and they that 313 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 6: won't happen to them, that will happen to them less 314 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 6: and less, and I see them now more and more 315 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 6: as a rising force. I totally believe in them. I 316 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 6: think they're totally attractive, but like they're not the lead horse. 317 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: Okay, I I think it's an interesting question that I. 318 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: Think that's I can't get. 319 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: It's a second show in a row where we're recording 320 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: later at night from the home, and you just have 321 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: a totally different even tone. 322 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: To your voice. It's it's really messing with me. 323 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 6: I do I don't. I'm what might be my microphone, 324 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 6: but like I'm just saying I don't need it. I'm 325 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 6: not need to shove them into the number one spot 326 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 6: in the NFC. 327 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 5: But they're think it's a great to ask, is why 328 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 5: wouldn't they be with the Eagles and the forty nine 329 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 5: ers and a couple things pop up number one to 330 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 5: just be their cornerbacks. I think they could make it 331 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 5: if someone was gonna make a trade for like an 332 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 5: Adori Jackson, not like a superstar, but just someone that 333 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 5: can play some snaps. I think the Lions would be there. 334 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 5: They're injured there there, They've been very injured in general. 335 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 5: The oh line was injured. You saw that tonight. Goff 336 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: was under a ton of pressure, especially early in this game. 337 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 5: They'll get healthier, but their cornerbacks. But the biggest answer 338 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 5: Dan would be, other than experience, would be are their 339 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 5: best players close to as good as the best players 340 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 5: of the best teams. And you got Laporta and Gibbs. 341 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 5: These are two rookies that are getting better. You got Montgomery, 342 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 5: you got Aman Ross Saint Brown is a good player. 343 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 5: You got Hutchinson, you got Branch, you got this nice group. 344 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 5: Alim McNeil really made a big fourth down stop early. 345 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 5: Good good player. Are these guys ready and Golf is 346 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 5: kind of in that group to level up. 347 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: Even a little more, well, I think that's to get. 348 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 5: Closer to the superstar Not that they'll be superstars, but 349 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 5: will they be that level of players. That's why I 350 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 5: don't put them quite with those top teams. But I 351 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: think sometimes you can add it all up and then 352 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 5: they can have a magical night in a magical run, 353 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 5: and it could happen. 354 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 6: But that's why that is a great way to put that. 355 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 4: I think it's funny because I thought you were edging 356 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: toward and maybe you were, even if you didn't say it. 357 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 4: Like Jared Goff, like is he going to be a 358 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: guy that you could count on to level up? I mean, 359 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 4: he's been to a super Bowl before. 360 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 5: We always seem no, I think he's part of like 361 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 5: the rest of that whole thing, But yes, he would 362 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 5: be part of it. 363 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: He's the most But like, yeah, I look at you know, 364 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 4: even I think Jalen Hurts is somebody that I see 365 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: when we talk about the big teams in the NFC. 366 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: He he's a quarter ahead above these other guys. But like, 367 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 4: do I think that Dak Prescott is so much more 368 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 4: superior to Goff? 369 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: I don't I think he. 370 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 4: Maybe I would take Dak if I had to pick one, 371 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 4: but I don't think it's that crazy Brock party. Obviously 372 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: he's in a little bit of a slump right now, 373 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: but I think he's a good quarter back. I think 374 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: Goff is every bit his equal, And I think you 375 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: just look around the NFC, there's I think. 376 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: But aj Deebo, Samuel all. 377 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 4: You know that but I mean, look at it, an 378 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 4: Saint Brown like this guy. Yep, he's a true number one. 379 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: They would really help if Jameson Williams turns into a 380 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 4: guy for them, But every week it seems to be 381 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 4: one step forward, two steps back. 382 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: They had some booze when Jamison Williams dropped one. Yeah early, 383 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 5: He did make a nice catch later in the game, 384 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: and then he was also set up for the most 385 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 5: thankless end around play in the history of football when 386 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 5: the second he touched the ball, Max Crosby exploded his body. 387 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 5: It was like Randy Johnson's pitch hitting that bird in 388 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 5: spring training twenty years ago. Right for Max, it was insane. 389 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: Max Crosby is insane. He's he's not going anywhere. By 390 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 5: the way, He's a top ten defensive player in the 391 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 5: entire NFL. He he might be below Myles Garrett and 392 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 5: why in Parsons, but like if he is, if he is, 393 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 5: it's barely below. 394 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: All right, let's stop right there, take a break, and 395 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 4: then we will continue on. 396 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: All right, we're back. 397 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 6: Well, you mentioned Max Crosby prior to our and that 398 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 6: break was great, Like it's great to I love listening 399 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 6: to the to the ads and taking a real break 400 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 6: and just enjoying myself during that time. But uh, like 401 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 6: the I so when I went to UH, I did 402 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 6: a long form that you guys always talk about, these 403 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 6: long forms. 404 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: They used to do, like after Dark. 405 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 6: It was the Raiders last home game in Oakland, and 406 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 6: along the sideline, you had you had your John Gruden's, 407 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 6: you had a lot of Raiders legends, you know, hanging out. 408 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 6: But Max Crosby's mom was like an official Raiders photographer 409 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 6: down on the sideline with like a massive like scope 410 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 6: lens and like all sorts of equipment, and couldn't had 411 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 6: been a nicer woman, and like was so proud of 412 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 6: her son, and like it always made me think of 413 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 6: Max Crosby differently. But then it was like he was 414 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 6: a rookie then and I was like, I don't know 415 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 6: what he's going to become. Then it's like he's a 416 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 6: superstar now. So that's one thing they've got. They don't 417 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 6: got a lot else. 418 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 4: Did you reconnect with Max Crosby's mom for your Mother's 419 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 4: Day long form? 420 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: No? 421 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 6: You know what, you know, what's so incredible is that 422 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 6: it had nothing to do with the Mother's Day long form. 423 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 6: But I just continue to connect with moms and mothers 424 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 6: all over the place. 425 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 5: I mean, you're getting mileage out of this Mother's Day one. 426 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 5: We gotta we got to bring it back. Maybe Father's Day. 427 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 5: Do a Father's Day sequel. 428 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 6: I mean it was large. 429 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: Mark. Just keep talking, Bud, just go what did I do? 430 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 6: Like, I'm just telling you the truth? 431 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: Like it? 432 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: No, go, I want to go down that mom road 433 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: a little bit more. 434 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 6: I just I don't know. I've always I feel like you. 435 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 6: I was the kind of person that always Greg would 436 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 6: be this way too. I think whenever, like you'd be 437 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 6: young and like you'd have a paramore young person, like 438 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 6: like the mom always is like this seems like a 439 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 6: relatively safe individual for. 440 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 4: Mie, the lead singer of Delaware the Greatest, like acid. 441 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 6: Pro Delawares, like Delaware went out of operation like eighteen 442 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 6: months into it's you know it's run. 443 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 5: So hey, don't talk, don't talk bad about Delaware. And yes, 444 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 5: I do love a little mom energy in this world. 445 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 5: We need, we need more. Shout out to Max Crosby 446 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 5: for donating a million dollars to his university. Tonight they 447 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 5: announced there today a million dollars. I don't know about 448 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 5: I don't think I would give any I don't give 449 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 5: any money to universities. 450 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 6: Universities seem like the last place to need us to donate. 451 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 5: But that's what's a borderline. Most of them are like 452 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 5: borderline criminal organizations. But that's another podcast. 453 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: You know you're talking about, too lane. 454 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm sure that you know every institution is crooked, 455 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: but maybe down there it's a little worse. 456 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 5: I don't mean crooked, I just mean like they're taking 457 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 5: all this money, and you know you could go to 458 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 5: a school for I get an keeper that's much better 459 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 5: a ton. 460 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: Like everyone else. 461 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 4: I guess of junk from my album Mater Northeastern University. 462 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: I've never opened one of the envelopes, never once. 463 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: All Right, anything else from this game or anywhere else. 464 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 4: The trade deadline is closing in tomorrow afternoon. 465 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 3: Well just from this game. 466 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 5: This is one of the reasons why you take Gibbs 467 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 5: by the way, is you're gonna have different points of 468 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 5: the season where you can't give him thirty touches or 469 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 5: twenty five like they did a week, going than thirty 470 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 5: t every week. But this is why this is the 471 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 5: reason to have two running backs. Sometimes one's gone and 472 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 5: then the other one takes over, and then Gibbs is 473 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 5: gun and the other one takes over, and then they're 474 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 5: in better position when they get to the very end. 475 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 5: I think the Lions have done a nice job on that. 476 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 5: Like throughout their roster, you see they rotate in seven 477 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 5: to eight defensive linemen. It's why they've they've been able 478 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 5: to survive injuries. It's a really well built team. I'm 479 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 5: glad they gave Brad Brad Holmes some pop their GM 480 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 5: who's done a really nice job on the broadcast. And 481 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 5: they're a smart team. I noticed that they're always very 482 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 5: well prepared for situational football. Doesn't mean everything ends up 483 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 5: going right, but I always get on coaches for clocks 484 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 5: and like being ready in the moment. They're never scrambling 485 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 5: to get that play in. They're they're never not wondering 486 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 5: what they're gonna do at fourth and three or fourth 487 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 5: and one, and they always have a plan for it. 488 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 5: And I really admire Dan Campbell and the staff that 489 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 5: they have. They they're gonna be a fun team that's 490 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: gonna have a lot of money. 491 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: Night footballs fine. 492 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 6: And Dan, this will be far less intellectual than that 493 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 6: comment by Greg but like if we if you're watching 494 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 6: the YouTube, I do think we have the copy of 495 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 6: like that extremely strong woman pulling Jamir Gibbs into the stands. 496 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget about like little women. Let's talk about 497 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: a jacked woman, right, yeah. 498 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 6: Like this is a powerful moment for all women. 499 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: Touchdown one to night for the rookie. Look at that, 500 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: come back, Jamyr, come back. 501 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 6: I think that woman clearly seemed to be paired up 502 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 6: with a gentleman you know, next door at the moment, 503 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 6: but then she just pulled Jimier Gibbs right in between them. 504 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: Couldn't have been it. 505 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 6: More excited about the entire scenario. 506 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 5: Watch out, watch out for what she might join the team. 507 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: Or I mean, like you never know what's gonna happen. 508 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: You never you never know what's gonna happen. 509 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 4: Just so like just like that, you know, just let 510 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: Mark finish all his thoughts tonight, go ahead, Mark, No, I'm. 511 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: Just saying like that. 512 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 6: I thought it was a surprising moment for multiple people, 513 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 6: like that one little if you go watch that video, 514 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 6: multiple people were surprised by it, and uh. 515 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: Well that's a great point, Mark, thank you. 516 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 6: Tony GROSSI I think like I just think that that's 517 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 6: you know, it was one of my favorite moments of 518 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 6: a largely forgettable moment and evening for the Raiders and 519 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 6: Raiders fans don't even just settle down for a little bit. 520 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: Mm fair. 521 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo said he's pissed he didn't play well. Quote, 522 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 4: I have to be smart with the football, get the 523 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 4: ball out on. We have to keep plugging away. There's 524 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: so much love in that locker room. It sucks to 525 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 4: have played like that. Yeah, he's had some stinkers in 526 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: his career and he's been around for a while now, but. 527 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: He was so lost in this game. 528 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 4: And there was one even a completion he made where 529 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 4: he kind of dropped it down side arm when it 530 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 4: was turning away and he completed the pass, but it 531 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 4: was clearly just trying to protect himself. It seemed like 532 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 4: almost I'd never seen him playing with less confidence. And 533 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 4: my last Raiders thought is we're all piling on Josh McDaniels. 534 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 4: And that's fair because he's really not doing the job there, 535 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 4: and he hasn't ever done the job when he's been 536 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 4: given this level of responsibility. But Dave Ziggler is also there. 537 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 4: He's the general manager. I think this is his second year, 538 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: and I see what you're saying, Greg that, Yeah, you know, 539 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 4: why tear it down, You're just gonna do it again 540 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 4: three years from now. Like but if they don't have 541 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 4: the right leadership in place, and this is you know, 542 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 4: just you gotta find the right people and look at it. 543 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: The Lions are per example. 544 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 4: I mean, how many times did that organization go through 545 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 4: coaches and gms and quarterbacks and just tear down, tear 546 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 4: down until finally there was. 547 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: A setup that's stuck. 548 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 4: I feel like the Raiders fans who are it's a great, passionate, loud, 549 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 4: rambunctious fan base, they deserve better than what they're getting 550 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 4: right now in this era of Rangers football. And it's 551 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 4: been a while now. I mean, I agree, this has 552 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 4: been a rough rough twenty years or. 553 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: So now for the Raiders and their fans. 554 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: I agree. 555 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 5: And in that case, you can also point to ownership 556 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 5: and wonder if it'll ever change, you know, if certain 557 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 5: things stay the same. But it changed with the Lions. 558 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 5: They did head it on eventually, and for what it's worth, 559 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 5: the team owner has another team that's won two straight 560 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 5: championships in the WMBA the Aces. 561 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: They're back in the Monday Night Football podcast. 562 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 5: You know, Mark Davis is killing it with his other team, 563 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 5: so I'm with you. It's kind of like a player 564 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 5: a first round pick. That's one thing Josh McDaniel's and 565 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 5: Bill Belichick we're good at with their bad draft picks, 566 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 5: don't They know when they're bad and they just get 567 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 5: rid of them quickly. So if I think you're right, 568 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 5: I think McDaniels is out this year. 569 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: I feel like when you keep mentioning. 570 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 4: The Las Vegas Aces to bait me into saying something 571 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 4: to get myself in trouble, but I'm not going to 572 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 4: do it. 573 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 5: I just was pointing out that the ownership is like 574 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 5: terrible or cursor thinking that way. But then I was like, well, 575 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 5: he literally has one other team that is dominating that sport, 576 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 5: so maybe maybe he just needs to hit on the 577 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 5: right guy. 578 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 3: And it's not Josh McDaniels. That's for sure. 579 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 6: Football is completely different than basketball. 580 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: But I'm going to get out of here. When we 581 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: hit record. 582 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 5: As fast as DeVante Adams got it off that field, 583 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 5: I mean he was sprinting out of there. 584 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: He is fed up. 585 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 4: He is fed Honestly, I didn't pull that number out 586 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 4: of thin air. Those back to back possessions. I think 587 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 4: it was in the fourth quarter if you add it up. 588 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: One was from the two yard line, no safety over 589 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 4: top if and he had beaten the corner, he is 590 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 4: going for ninety eight yards in a touchdown. And then 591 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 4: on the next drive it's from their forty. Once again, 592 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 4: he runs a beautiful route. This guy's still an elite player, 593 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 4: and he just gets overthrown again out of the out 594 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: of bounds. Now that one, maybe a safety cuts him 595 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 4: off and stops him scoring. Maybe, but it's very likely. 596 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 4: That's two catches for ninety eight yards and all of 597 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 4: a sudden, a game that the lines refused to put 598 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 4: away is getting away from them. But Garoppolo just didn't 599 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: show up. And that's and that's very frustrating. And even 600 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna defend McDaniels, but like when the quarterback's 601 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 4: missing layups like that, everyone's gonna look worse. But obviously 602 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 4: there's layers to the issues with Las Vegas. 603 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 6: Right now, I'd say one little quick thing, like like 604 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 6: to your point before dant Derek Carr, for all we 605 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 6: think of him, like plus and minus like he and 606 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 6: DeVante Adams worked a year ago. They worked fine. That's 607 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 6: why there's a large reason why DeVante Adams came there, 608 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 6: along with the money and the player we just watched 609 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 6: on the video on this broadcast. Here is a player 610 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 6: that does not want to be where he is. He 611 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 6: does not want to be there, and this organization needs 612 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 6: to figure out how to deal with that situation. And 613 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 6: I wonder if it could be dealt with as quickly 614 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 6: as tomorrow, but I don't think it will be because 615 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 6: they don't figure that stuff out. And it's like, I'm 616 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 6: not on my previous comments, I'm not trying to kill 617 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 6: Raiders fans. I think the Raiders are a great organization historically, 618 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 6: but you cannot sit and just rip people that rip 619 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 6: the team because this is a mess right now. I 620 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 6: just see a mess from all angles. I see a mess. 621 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 5: Well, look a look at the Lions and see hope. 622 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 5: These are the only two teams in the NFL that 623 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: have not won a division or a playoff game in 624 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 5: twenty years, the Lions and the Raiders, So in that way, 625 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 5: they're the least successful teams in one of them has 626 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 5: got it right, and that's a good tease Mark, because 627 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 5: we're going to be back right when trade deadline happens. 628 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 5: We are taping another podcast and that is in about 629 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 5: trying to do the math sixteen hours. 630 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: I think, so see you then, guys. 631 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: Devout day. 632 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 4: Adams had one hundred catches for one thy five hundred 633 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: and sixteen yards and fourteen touchdowns last year, and now 634 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 4: they can't even get him the ball. And I will say, 635 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 4: to his credit, and you've seen wide receivers which are 636 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: a different breed shut it down or become malcontents, and 637 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 4: you could tell that the effort level's not there. I 638 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 4: think Adams is a really good teammate and a guy 639 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: that's giving everything he has. He's just being hung out 640 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 4: to dry by an organization that's just rudderless right now, 641 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 4: which is he made the decision to go there. He 642 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 4: kind of engineered that whole move. I wonder how he's 643 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 4: feeling about that right now. Probably, I don't know, could 644 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 4: have trade happened. I guess we'll wait and see. All right, 645 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 4: we will be yes back, like Greg said, tomorrow, and 646 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 4: hopefully we have some blockbusters to talk about. But I 647 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 4: guess you got to come back and find out, don't 648 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: everyone that listens to the show. Do not get your 649 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: NFL information from anywhere else. Just listen to our show, like. 650 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: Cold joining us. It's our Wednesday. 651 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: Heed the call. 652 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 6: H