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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'm that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: that whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie welcome back to the Solid Rebel

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Speaker 1: Boys and girls. My name is Ty hilden Brant, joining

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Speaker 1: me as always my man over there in beautiful New

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Speaker 1: York City. The week before the season, Dan Rubinstein sir,

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Speaker 1: how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I think we're in the season technically, even if you

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Speaker 2: ignore week zero because it's not a full regular week,

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Speaker 2: we're in week one. This is the week one run up? Right?

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Speaker 1: Did you get into the later start or the later

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Speaker 1: finish to the week zero game? Were you awake for that?

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Speaker 2: Ty, Let's back up? Was I awake for the second

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Speaker 2: half of Florida Miami? The answer is a resounding no.

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Speaker 2: The answer is a full on It's halftime. I was

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Speaker 2: have a limited amount. You know, when you plan a RPG,

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Speaker 2: this much stamina, this much weaponry, that kind of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: as a newly minted father and just general old man,

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Speaker 2: it on Week zero? I was not. So I just

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Speaker 2: found the full versions of both Florida Miami and then

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Speaker 1: Absolutely as do I I will say, as not a

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, this I'm going to change the dynamic.

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Speaker 1: I may have had a rooting interest in the final

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Speaker 1: both final moments were great, but yeah, both were great.

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Speaker 1: those two games very quickly as well. As some of

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Speaker 1: from that perspective because I know y'all love the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost the order of operations is we've

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Speaker 1: oh sphere for a couple of weeks. But the Wondering News.

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Speaker 1: Let's go with Wisconsin here and Jack Cone Hm wins

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Speaker 1: Your boy Gaja Gubrud, No, Sir, has lost the starting

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Speaker 1: Chase Garber's you're starting quarterback at Cal. He eats now

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Speaker 1: All right, so why don't we place the final piece

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Speaker 2: Let's do it? Play the group of five sound that

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Speaker 1: I think it's fitting that we are recording our group

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Speaker 2: Call me crazy, ty, and you can play whatever associated

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Speaker 2: with what Fresno has done these past couple of years

435
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: and what Jeff Tedford specifically has done turning around that team.

436
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 2: New phases on offense for Fresno, but new offense entirely

437
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Speaker 2: for USC. So I think that's a pretty worthy test

438
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Speaker 2: for USC. If not, I mean, I think he was

439
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: UNLV who's run all over USC recently. So I have

440
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Speaker 2: Fresno stands a pretty good chance in that game.

441
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Speaker 1: Hey, Fresno might have been like one of the best

442
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Speaker 1: Group of five teams last year.

443
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Speaker 2: If not they with a Mountain West America's Group of

444
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Speaker 2: five conference.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.

446
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Speaker 2: Sure on a different note, but like a more entertaining

447
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: to me note ole Miss Memphis I think could be

448
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: all sorts of weird and fun and look a little

449
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Speaker 2: bit like Arizona, Hawaii.

450
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Speaker 1: I love me some memphisis year.

451
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Speaker 2: Brady White two more years.

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Speaker 1: I love me more some memphisis here. I'm not crazy

453
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Speaker 1: that they've got two new coordinators, but yeah, I love

454
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: me some Memphis and some Brady White.

455
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Speaker 2: And they still have the pop coxy magnifico trio. Right,

456
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Speaker 2: that is correct. We have Florida State Boise State in

457
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: Jacksonville opening the season. No Brett Rippon, no new starter,

458
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Speaker 2: Hank Bachmeier, James Blackman.

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Speaker 1: I think I saw that Florida State's a five, five

460
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite in that game.

461
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Speaker 2: That makes sense. Boise's replacing a lot on offense, and

462
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Speaker 2: they're replacing They've replaced their defensive coordinator. I think they

463
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: have co coordinators. They brought in a guy from Eastern Washington.

464
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Speaker 2: They promote somebody from within, so it's a newer look

465
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Speaker 2: Boise State than it's been in a long time. What's

466
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Speaker 2: Madison Avenue has gone couple receivers Brett Rippon, so.

467
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Speaker 1: There to go. They're pretty stocked that receiver. They're in

468
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Speaker 1: a good place. They recruited well there, They're at a

469
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Speaker 1: good spot there. Their line should be good. Obviously breaking

470
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Speaker 1: in a freshman quarterback tough spot week one. I don't

471
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Speaker 1: care who you are. Tough spot freshman Week one on

472
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Speaker 1: the road, neutral site game, neutral site in air quotes

473
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Speaker 1: because the game's in Florida, correct, But I think the

474
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Speaker 1: real issue for Boise State in this one could be

475
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Speaker 1: if Florida State can get anything going with its offensive line,

476
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Speaker 1: which should not be taken for granted. We'll talk about

477
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Speaker 1: more of this on our Week one preview show later

478
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Speaker 1: in the week, but I think cam Akers could pose

479
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: an issue for Boise State here because the front seven

480
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: for them isn't a particular area of depth. I could

481
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Speaker 1: see a situation where Boise State wears down, especially in

482
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Speaker 1: that Florida heat.

483
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Speaker 2: But well, oh, Marvin Wilson's good Houston, Oklahoma, which should

484
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Speaker 2: not answer, but give us insight into some questions for

485
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Speaker 2: both of these teams. Houston, obviously hiring Dana Holgerson, bringing

486
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Speaker 2: back a hopefully fully healed Derek King at quarterback, replacing

487
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: a lot on defense as they sort of move around schemes.

488
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: Think they're going four down line, but noow movies more

489
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Speaker 2: before three. It's going to take a bit for this

490
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Speaker 2: Houston defense, and you know what, it might take a

491
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 2: bit for this Oklahoma defense. But that's also week one.

492
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Speaker 2: I want to say, it's Sunday. That's Sunday again, Sunday night,

493
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Speaker 2: Houston Oklahoma should be pretty fun all things considered. Is

494
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Speaker 2: that it No, No, I got much more. I didn't

495
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Speaker 2: know if you wanted to jump in with anything. Well,

496
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Ohio State justin fields throwing into a pretty nasty defense.

497
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Speaker 2: Week two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I like Houston. I'm excited about Houston, excited

499
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Speaker 1: about Derek King. I'm not excited about their defense. And now,

500
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Speaker 1: okay that as some take abak that game in Week

501
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: one between Houston and Oklahoma, I think is a recipe

502
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Speaker 1: for a lot of points. For sure, the Cincinnati game

503
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: between them and Ohio State is interesting on a number

504
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: of different fronts. Keep in mind that Cincinnati won what

505
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: eleven games last year should have this in front of me.

506
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: I want to say, eleven games last year, and they

507
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: did so with a freshman quarterback and like a sophomore

508
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: running back and a bunch of injuries across the board.

509
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: So it would seemingly be going pretty well for Luke Fickle.

510
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: It was only year two under the Luke Fickle era

511
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Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, and given the fact that Ohio State they're

512
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: they're kind of figuring some stuff out as well. I'm

513
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: not saying Ohio State is gonna lose the Cincinnati, but

514
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's gonna play him tough.

515
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Speaker 2: Tulane Auburn, Okay, I mean the I'm not super confident

516
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: in this Tulane team overall. I like their defense a

517
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: whole bunch. I like the way they finished out the season. Offensively,

518
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: they need to, uh they need to be a little

519
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: bit better through the air. But I think it's gonna

520
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: be tricky. I think it's going to be tricky for Auburn.

521
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Speaker 2: And I think I believe it's the week after Oregon,

522
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: so you know, maybe a letdown situation. Uh, Wazoo Houston,

523
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Speaker 2: We mentioned Houston, but you know, Wazoo doing new things well,

524
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: has a new quarterback. Anyway, on offense, So Houston really

525
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: getting tested against some offenses early on.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

527
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: Uh, Stanford, UCF, I think is gonna be amazing. Why UCF.

528
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: They've gotten a lot of attention because of their offense, and

529
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: we saw Scott Frost, we saw Josh Hypel year one,

530
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: put up huge numbers with Mackenzie Milton. And even though

531
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Speaker 2: Dariel mack gets hurt, Brandon Wimbush is the starter, which

532
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have thoughts about. Oh yeah, it's their

533
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: defense and just overall talent level, which they are. I mean,

534
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Speaker 2: they're as good as many many upper level power five schools,

535
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Speaker 2: and Stanford is an upper level power five school. So

536
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: this is just a flat out good game. This isn't

537
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Speaker 2: upset alert. This isn't like ooh, little guy is gonna

538
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: come take down. No, no, just a a good college

539
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Speaker 2: football game. I'm excited for this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we talked rape secondary, We're talking about Richie

542
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: Grant really good.

543
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Speaker 1: We talked about our skepticism around Stanford when we did

544
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: that preview, we did the pack golf preview, and the

545
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: defense isn't what it used to be. This is a

546
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Speaker 1: really good offense for UCF. And yeah, I mean I

547
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: defense Stanford. The defense will be fine. The line is

548
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: sort of trying to figure it out and a bit questionable,

549
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: but the rest of the defense should be good enough.

550
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: And offensively, despite all the jokes I made about Brandon

551
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: Wimbush for the last two years at Notre Dame, he

552
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: still is a very talented quarterback and he's good enough

553
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: to win. We saw that he's good enough to win

554
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: some high level college football games. I think with this

555
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: offense around him, he's going to have an opportunity to thrive.

556
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: So this is a really good team. You mentioned the

557
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: Stanford game. They've also got pit They've got Temple, They've

558
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: got Cincinnati. They're probably the favorite in the American East.

559
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: The gap between them and maybe the next closest in

560
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: the American East has probably closed, and it's not quite

561
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Speaker 1: as much of a clear cut thing as it was

562
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Speaker 1: in the past. But this is still a very good

563
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Speaker 1: football team. I'll accept it.

564
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Speaker 2: At State. North Carolina doesn't really intrigue me as a

565
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Capital C college football game like the previous one does,

566
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: but we get some insight into two new coaches. I

567
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: believe North Carolina is starting Sam Howell, right, Yeah, bit

568
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: of Baker Mayfield in him. That's a fantasy thing is

569
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: reference that you have to listen to. We're not just

570
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: being randomly obnoxious, We're being pointedly obnoxious. An app State

571
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 2: with Eli Drinkwitz. What do they look like bringing their

572
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: quarterback back and Zach Thomas. I think it's gonna be

573
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: interesting insight. That's all I have for that.

574
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Speaker 1: Zach Thomas was real good. Last year he was he

575
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: was State was real good. Last year State was good.

576
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Speaker 1: Zach Thomas was real good. Talk about a dude, he's real,

577
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: real good.

578
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech Temple to finish out September just insight again,

579
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Speaker 2: two new coaches, one who left behind one of these schools. Great.

580
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what I saw what the Tech

581
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: depth chart looked like. It was like an effort based

582
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: four two five is literally what it said on the

583
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: depth chart. As for what system they're running, which gets

584
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: my full enthusiastic support behind Georgia Tech. But yeah, Temple,

585
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: Rod Kerry, we'll see. I think it's going to be

586
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: a new beast for him. But I'm excited for this game.

587
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Speaker 1: Temple's been very good at hiring coaches, Yeah, if only

588
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: because a large number of their coaches all their coaches

589
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, their new coaches have

590
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: gone elsewhere. Many Diaz went elsewhere in a month.

591
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: Former Temple coach Mani Das, You're correct, Yeah.

592
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Went somewhere else in a month. So they've proven I

593
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: think that they know how to pick good coaches. And

594
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: Rod Carey has had success elsewhere. I'm curious to see

595
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: what he can do in Philly.

596
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, where would you like to go

597
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: to speak further about some of these group of five

598
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: games and conferences?

599
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Speaker 1: So Dan, here's what we're going to do on this show.

600
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Speaker 1: I've got this list like fifteen teams, fiften really good

601
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Speaker 1: group of five teams. I want to talk through each

602
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Speaker 1: of them, and I want to see if we can

603
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Speaker 1: place them on a totem pole kind of an impromptu

604
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: ranking to figure out who are the real contenders, the

605
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: elite level competitors who can compete with anybody, right, and

606
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Speaker 1: who are the teams that are maybe a run or

607
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Speaker 1: two below that, Just to try and provide some context,

608
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Speaker 1: because again, you listed off all the incredible non conference

609
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: matchups that we're going to see. It stands the reason

610
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: we'll see some upsets there. How do some of these

611
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Speaker 1: teams fit within the greater team that is college football

612
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteens. That sound like a plan.

613
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Speaker 2: So I think how we define the top pack of

614
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: teams is they can hang with basically anybody. Maybe not Oklahoma,

615
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Speaker 2: maybe not Clemson, maybe not Ohio State, maybe not Alabama

616
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: or Georgia. But after that top top, no doubt about

617
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 2: it group. These are teams that can give anybody trouble,

618
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: if not just win, just beat a team. So I

619
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Speaker 2: will I'll say UCF, okay for sure, as in that group,

620
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Speaker 2: I would I would love to put Fresno State and

621
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Speaker 2: Boise State in that group. Okay, I'd put Memphis in

622
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Speaker 2: that group, all right. And I don't know if I'm

623
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: there with Ohio yet, but I do like them a lot.

624
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Speaker 2: I do like Nathan Rourke and Ohio and the Bobcats.

625
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Speaker 1: So I'm with you on UCF because UCF has clearly

626
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Speaker 1: been there for a couple of years, still a really

627
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: good football team. Yeah, I'm also with you on Boise

628
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: because Boise has also been there. Boise brings back a

629
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Speaker 1: ton from last season, and I think they're at least

630
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Speaker 1: a sixteen point favorite in like seven conference games. So

631
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Speaker 1: Boise State is going to be going to be pretty

632
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Speaker 1: good again. I'm all in on Memphis this year. I

633
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about Memphis. I don't know if I

634
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Speaker 1: want to lump anyone else in there. Maybe arm Do

635
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Speaker 1: I put Army in there?

636
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I should have put Cincinnati in there.

637
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Speaker 2: I should have put Cincinnati and Army I think belongs

638
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: in that conversation as well. I didn't. Wasn't. They're not

639
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: technically group of five since their FBS independent. But yes,

640
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: and we should be talking Army absolutely as a non

641
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Speaker 2: power five, Notre Dame type school that we should be

642
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: putting in this conversation.

643
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Speaker 1: I'm writing these down now just so we have them.

644
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Speaker 1: So we've got you SEF. Sorry if this is confusing

645
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: for you listening, but we're really just working this out

646
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Speaker 1: for the first time here. Yeah, on the air, we've

647
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Speaker 1: got UCF. I think that's a given. We've got Boise

648
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: that is also a given. Beyond that, I think we

649
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Speaker 1: agree on Memphis. Yes, Yes, Memphis is good enough to

650
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: hang with pretty much anyone. And then after Memphis we

651
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: start talking about, all right, what about Fresno. Fresno is interesting, yep,

652
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: what about Army Armising?

653
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: It would genuinely surprise me. If Army did not win

654
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: double digit games this year, you.

655
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: Have Cincinnati here, correct, and then we've got what do

656
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: you do about a team like a Houston.

657
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Houston's there. I don't think Houston's there.

658
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: I think defensively, they're going to be such an open book,

659
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: if you will, that it's going to They're going to

660
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: be more of like the seven and five, eight and

661
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: four type. Even if things go incredibly well on offense,

662
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: it's just a year one thing to me, dangerous wild

663
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: card but not upper upper level. Could hang with pretty

664
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: much everybody in college football in the way that some

665
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: of those other teams could. Cincinnati has UCF I believe,

666
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: at home and Houston on the road in consecutive weeks.

667
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: But otherwise it's a pretty good looking schedule till the

668
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: end of the year. In Memphis. That's that's what's nice.

669
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they have Ohio State early. It's a I

670
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: wouldn't say tough. It's a sizable schedule, but I think

671
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: they're at the point now with defense, quarterback, running game

672
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: that they can they can weather a lot.

673
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: You talked about Houston, and I think the big liability

674
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: for Houston is is clearly their defense. Did we mention

675
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: Dearic King? If we did, can we mention him again?

676
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: Because the potential three thousand yard passer, one thousand yard rusher,

677
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: He's got an incredible grouping of skill talent around him

678
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: that I think will help. My issue is, of course,

679
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: the defense.

680
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: And Dana Holgerson running the team.

681
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dana Holgerson, Yeah, yeah, I could see this

682
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: team being anywhere between seven and five and ten and two.

683
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Ten and two is a big ask.

684
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: Really, there's a lot of variability there. The defense is

685
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: so mediocre, it's just a matter of how mediocre did

686
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: they end up being. And I think that's the difference

687
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: between honestly, two losses in five.

688
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're a little optimistic with Houston. I

689
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: think it's a lot of offense and that's sort of it.

690
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: But I'm looking I'm pulling up their schedule right now,

691
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: and we mentioned the Oklahoma matchup and the Wazoo matchup,

692
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: So don't feel great about either one of those. At

693
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Tulane's going to be tough. At North Texas, even though

694
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: it's out of conference in a smaller school, I think,

695
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, mean Green even with the new offensive Cordney

696
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: will be pretty tough at UCF. Memphis. Navy, I imagine

697
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: will be improved this year after hitting a pretty low

698
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 2: point last year. I just there's a lot there that's

699
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: going to really push this Houston defense.

700
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: I do agree with you though that Houston's probably not

701
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: on that level. The defense keeps them beneath that level.

702
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: But they're going to be interesting. That opening week game

703
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma for a couple of quarters could be interesting.

704
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: I think, well, I think they're going to ultimately lose comfortably,

705
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: but I think they have the most exciting single player

706
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: offensively of any group of five school. And if d

707
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: err King is all right, for sure, let's.

708
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Talk about North Texas because North Texas was not on

709
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: that list. Yeah, North Texas might have the best offense

710
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: in one of the best offenses in the group of five,

711
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: probably the best offense in Conference w HUSA at a minimum.

712
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: But really, like Mason Fine, really like Seth Latrell, who's

713
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: been on the program before, talking through all things scheme,

714
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: the defense loses standouts at both linebacker and cornerback, which

715
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: I think is going to play somewhat of a limiting factor.

716
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: But they're really good at the back end of their defense.

717
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: They know how to rush the passer, which is nice.

718
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: They've got a non conference slate against SMU and Houston,

719
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: which isn't crazy, So it feels like this is a

720
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: season that has a lot of upset potential. It's just

721
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: a look at the defense, and much like Houston, it's

722
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: sort of tough to square that with the offense and

723
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: really get a good feel for where I think this

724
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: team ends up.

725
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a good offense last year. I didn't

726
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: always finish drives, but they moved the ball really well.

727
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: It's nice to have Mason Fine back. I'm not even

728
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: sure which offense I like better. I just think it's

729
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: going to be sort of wide open offensively Conference USA wise. Defensively,

730
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: there are other teams that are definitely ahead, even with

731
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: what Marshall loses. They were so good last year up front,

732
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: and I was very excited because I thought they were

733
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: getting I'm talking about thundering herd. Now I've shifted the conversation.

734
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: I thought they were going to have a guy named

735
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: ty Tyler, which no official defensive lineman of the Solid Verbal,

736
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: but he transferred to Louisville, so Alas no Conference USA

737
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: ty Tyler, which was all name USA. So yeah, I

738
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: think North Texas is going to be good, but you know,

739
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: redoing a little bit on offense, but the continuity of

740
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: quarterback and coach and okay, skill guy should be promising enough.

741
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: They're definitely in that grouping I think below the very top.

742
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: They probably fall along the same lines, maybe a bit

743
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: below Houston, but they're kind of there in the pecking order.

744
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, offense took a step back last year, but still good.

745
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Ohio next, so let's do that.

746
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Ohio started the year last year three and three, and

747
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: then after that they played like one of the better

748
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: teams in the country. They were really good over a

749
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: stretch last season and you got to be excited this

750
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: year because Nathan Rourke is back always he is always back.

751
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: They've got a fair amount of depth along their defensive line,

752
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: particularly at end and at cornerbacks. So group of five

753
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: team pretty stout when it comes to key elements of

754
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: their defense. I think that's something else that I like.

755
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: But they've got some issues along their line wide at

756
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: their skill positions, and they've got real issues. Much like

757
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: my Notre Dame fighting Irish right up the spine of

758
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: that defense. I think if you run right out Ohio,

759
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: that could be a problem. That's something that Frank Solish

760
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: needs to figure out. Frank Soulich, by the way, still coaching,

761
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: which is amazing.

762
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: Yes, the great thing about Ohio is this was really

763
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 2: a tale of two seasons, like you mentioned last year,

764
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: and so if there is any momentum to what they

765
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: did at the end of last year, which is winning

766
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: what six of seven including the bowl game, just demolishing

767
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: a not that good San Diego State, but still when

768
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: you shut out a team in a bowl, that's a thing.

769
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: And they don't make it to the MAX Championship Game,

770
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: but they still look like they were among the MAX

771
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: best last year, especially as good as they got on defense,

772
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: you know, in mid to late October.

773
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: So I think I put Ohio a rungbull in North

774
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: Texas then, mainly because well because of my questions on defense.

775
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I like Nathan Rourke though more than

776
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: I like Mason Fine, more than Mason Fine. Really yeah,

777
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, it was really good.

778
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: He's a senior now, and despite the fact that Ohio

779
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: has been really good in the Mac East, they still

780
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: haven't won that division. It's true the last two years,

781
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: so hopefully for his sake, that's something that they can change.

782
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Fresno now. They've got I think a

783
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: fair amount of targets coming back from a year ago,

784
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: not the least of which his guys who can come

785
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: out of the backfield and catch passes. But the new

786
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: quarterback thing. Jeff Tedford in the past has been pretty

787
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: good at dealing with that situation.

788
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he reached out with Marcus mcmaray in Oregon State,

789
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: bring him in and looked great.

790
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: He's been outstanding in his time at Fresno. That's looking

791
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: like an incredible hire for the Bulldogs. I'm just not

792
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: sure how high I want to rank them, knowing that

793
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: this is their starting point with the new quarterback.

794
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: The defense is it's been great. Recruiting has been really strong,

795
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: as it always should be at Fresno State. You should

796
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: be able to find plenty of high level Mountain West players.

797
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: If you remember my plan, if Oregon slash budgets by

798
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: like seventy five percent, would to be just cherry pick whatever. Fresno,

799
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: Boise and San Diego State are recruiting because they're good

800
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: at identifying, you know, those dudes that they can turn

801
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: into draft type players, like NFL type players. Jeff Allison

802
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: was one of the more recent guys at linebacker who

803
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: was everywhere for the Bulldogs. He's gone, but there are

804
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: bodies in the San Joaquin Valley. So I'm still pretty

805
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: high on Fresno State and will continue to do so

806
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: and continue to be so unless proven otherwise. So I

807
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: think I like Fresno out coming out of the Mountain

808
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: West again, despite the quarterback uncertain Fresno higher.

809
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: Or lower than North Texas?

810
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: Higher? Oh, definitely higher?

811
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: Higher? I agree, yeah, higher, lower than Ohio. You had

812
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: Ohio over North Texas. Oh, Fresno is above Ohio. Yeah,

813
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: fresnent's a bub Ohio.

814
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

815
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: It's Fresno above.

816
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: Army probably, yeah. I just I'm always worried with Army

817
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: going down, you know, eleven points and then having to

818
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: to change things.

819
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Up a little bit. It's Fresno above Houston, Yes, Fresno

820
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: above Boise. Yeah, it's Fresno above Alabama. Just shoot me straight.

821
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 2: Is all they played last year. I believe Adam Amin

822
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: called that game. They are not above Alabama. Fresnoe schedule

823
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 2: this year at USC Minnesota to start the season off.

824
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 2: Not easy. Uh So we'll learn a little bit about

825
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: the Bulldogs early on. But in terms of their road schedule,

826
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: they travel to Hawaii, which is always going to be

827
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: tricky and I don't I guess it doesn't work where

828
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: you get like a week off before or after because

829
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 2: they just have a schedule. They're at the Inego State

830
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: but otherwise Utah States at home, novat Is at home.

831
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: This was a decent Avata team last year. I think

832
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: they'll take a step back, but all in all, Mountain

833
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: West wise, pretty advantageous schedule. They don't have boys C

834
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: in the regular season. I don't believe they have Wyoming

835
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: in the regular season, who you know, have been trickyly

836
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: these past couple of years and I think are going

837
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: to continue to improve. So yeah, I like the Bulldogs

838
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: a whole bunch.

839
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: You mentioned San Diego State. Last year they had a

840
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: losing streak which was uncharacteristic.

841
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: M m.

842
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: They struggled on offense, the defense wore down mm hmm,

843
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out as well as it has

844
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: in past years for San Diego State. Right this year,

845
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: they've got a loaded running back core and they're going

846
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: to run the ball a lot.

847
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: This is what more of a spread look, But yes,

848
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: this is.

849
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: What they're gonna do. They're gonna run the crap out

850
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: of the ball. And the schedule sets up pretty well

851
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: for them. According to projections, they're in line for like

852
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: eleven wins.

853
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: San Diego State, San Diego State. I think they're coming

854
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: back down to earth a little bit. I think they're

855
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: more like eight to nine wins.

856
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: Don't shoot the messenger. I understand the numbers, like the Aztecs,

857
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: all right.

858
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: But I mean it's because what they like John Washington,

859
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: They're like they schedule trol The ball schedule is very favorable. Yah.

860
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: They're replacing a lot on this defense, which is good bad,

861
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: who knows. But I just I don't think they have

862
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: the pieces that they had two three, four years ago

863
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: when they were just an incredible half team, when they

864
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: were keeping teams to like five point two points a

865
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: games that level.

866
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: To app State, let's do it as we continue jumping around.

867
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: Better than Alabama. Yes, it's the answer. Preemptive.

868
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: App State's got a new coach, Eli Drinkquitz comes over

869
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: from NC State. He's got a really good, healthy football program.

870
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Incredibly.

871
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: App State is twenty second nationally in returning production, so

872
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: a lot of guys come back who have been productive.

873
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: We mentioned Zach Thomas, a full on dude. Last year

874
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: was his first year as starting quarterback. The defense has

875
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: been really good, very consistent over the last couple of seasons.

876
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: The problem that I have with app State is that

877
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: they're going to ted Roof now.

878
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: The problem with that state is that Scott Sadderfield is

879
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: no longer Scott Saderfield no longer there. But yeah, I have.

880
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: Been part of that ted Roof experience before.

881
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: That's true.

882
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: You've heard me joke about leaky Roof on the show

883
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: dating back to his time at Penn State. I don't

884
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: really know what to expect. I would hope that the

885
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: defense continues playing at a very high level, but I

886
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: have seen ted Roof's work before, and I reserve the

887
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: right to be skeptical.

888
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. They have a beatable North Carolina

889
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: team week three, as we mentioned, they get a chance

890
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: at the revenge on Halloween against Georgia Southern. They're traveling,

891
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: They're traveling to Troy, New Coach at Troy and they're

892
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: at South Carolina as well later on in the season.

893
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: So app State has its work cut out for him.

894
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: But new coach and Will Healey at Charlotte on their schedule,

895
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be pretty good. I think

896
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: this is going to They're going to take a step back,

897
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: but not demonstrably so eight and four, nine and three.

898
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: When you have the quarterback, when you have the pieces

899
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: on defense, which I always love that combo, they're good.

900
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna be good. They're not gonna be capital g good.

901
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: They're not gonna be like they were these past couple

902
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: of years, probably, But I like, I like the talent

903
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: they have on this roster enough that they're going to

904
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 2: be in every I can't imagine them just being fully

905
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: not in either what North Carolina or the South Carolina

906
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: or the Georgia Southern Game or the Troy Again, they're

907
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: gonna be in everything, if not winning, you know, damn

908
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: near double digits.

909
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: The thing is, they're still far ahead of the rest

910
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: of the Sun Belt. Yeah, and they're only gonna be

911
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: dogs against South Carolina. Otherwise, this is still a really

912
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: good football team. Eli Drinkwitz picked a great situation, a

913
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: great definitely. I don't know if they're on that top rung,

914
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: but they're still in a very healthy spot.

915
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: I think they're on the second rung. I do. I

916
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: think they can hang with anybody on that first rung,

917
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: but in terms of week two week, because we saw

918
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: them hang with Penn State last year. Sure, So if

919
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: if you consider them me a first run team, I

920
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: can't mount a significant argument against it. There are teams

921
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: that I like in the Sun Belt. I don't think

922
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: the gap is super wide, but they are the class

923
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: of the league. Yeah.

924
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: So here's my thing with Army as we move on,

925
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: Army plays Michigan an all offseason. We've been talking about

926
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: how that's a tasty non conference game.

927
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

928
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: We could see that as potentially an issue for Michigan.

929
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: That's I mean, Army is a potential issue for anybody.

930
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: I like Kelvin Hopkins A lot took over at quarterback

931
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: last year was outstanding. I'm curious now to see how

932
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: the line reacts with Bryce Holland gone, Okay, a big

933
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: time center. Yeah, well that fine still compete at that

934
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: same high level, I think. So the other thing is

935
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: they lost their defensive coordinator to Mac Brown in North Carolina.

936
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: I didn't think Jay Bateman was great. He was fine.

937
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean, the so much of their defense is their

938
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: offense is that alley oop of the offense, you know,

939
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: just completely wearing down the other team and the other

940
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: offense getting a little bit cold on the sideline. Army's

941
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: at Michigan this year, but beyond that at Hawaii is

942
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: going to be That's a trip, ty They at least

943
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: get a week off before traveling seventy thousand miles from

944
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: from the Hudson Valley to the islands in the middle

945
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: of the Pacific, But otherwise, what is the schedule they get.

946
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: Tulane's tricky at home. Western Kentucky has not been good,

947
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: and I don't think Tyson Helton's gonna do all that

948
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: much this year anyway. San Jose State's been not great.

949
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: Air Force should be improved, and they're they're always tricky,

950
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: and the game is in Colorado. But UMass BMI Navy

951
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: improved Navy right now, not sure it matters because Army

952
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: has taken control, so UTSA hasn't been good. Rice hasn't

953
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: been good. The sure thing losses Michigan, and even that

954
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like a one sure thing.

955
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: All right, So let's do a quick regrouping here of

956
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: the totem pole. We've got a few teams left to

957
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: discuss songs at the top. We've got UCF Underneath UCF,

958
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: we've got Boise and Memphis. Sound right so far?

959
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: I would have Fresno for me in that you know

960
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: that group.

961
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Memphis above Fresno.

962
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: But why Boise above Fresno?

963
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: Both teams are going to have new starting quarterbacks. I

964
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: feel like Boise's got more coming back that I feel.

965
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: Okay, a lot on that defense. There's a lot coming

966
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: back on that boys, a lot on the defense. Yeah, okay,

967
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: I would still I hesitate to have any sort of

968
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: tear or wrung with one of those teams and not

969
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 2: the other.

970
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: After that, after Fresno, I guess we have what Houston?

971
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Houston? App State? I think is in that conversation Ohio.

972
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: I think it's all how do.

973
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: You feel app State versus Ohio? I think I go Ohio.

974
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: I think, hey, go app State, app State?

975
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: Ohio? Okay, yeah, in some words.

976
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: Go upstate. Yeah.

977
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: Do we throw San Diego State at the bottom.

978
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm willing to talk about the Aztecs there. Cincinnati,

979
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: I think has to be on that app State Ohio rung.

980
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: Well, we didn't talk much about Cincinnati, but let's let's

981
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: bring them up here.

982
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, since we've we did to talk about Memphis that

983
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: much either, but they're at the top to discuss.

984
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: We'll we'll bring up Memphis. Yeah sure, yeah, Cincinnati again.

985
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: One eleven games last year. Desmond Ritter was a bit

986
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: of a revelation. Inefficient in spots, but he knows how

987
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: to use his legs, he knows how to extend plays,

988
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: and he knows how to work with Michael Warren. The

989
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: second the problem this year is that they are rebuilding

990
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: the line, rebuilding the line. If they can rebuild it

991
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: and have some level of success, the potential here is monstrous.

992
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, really really good.

993
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: Last year the defense was very very good, dominant against

994
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: the run. I am very curus is to see what

995
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: happens now because they've got some turnover upfront. If they

996
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: can still perform at a high level, they're gonna have

997
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: an opportunity to show out against some quality opponents. You

998
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: mentioned Ohio State, that run defense is going to have

999
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity to show what it can do. If they

1000
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: can't get that figured out in a hurry. If Ritter

1001
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: can't continue to play at the love we saw last year,

1002
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 1: that could be an issue.

1003
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's all reasonable. But yeah, I mean

1004
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: the defense with the promising backfield, I think is plenty.

1005
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: To have Cincinnati in one of those wrung conversations, I

1006
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 2: think it's worth talking about. I mean there are elements

1007
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: of teams like even just in conference USA, UAB and

1008
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 2: Southern Miss both had great defenses last year, and Spencer

1009
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: Brown is back and should be incredible for the Blazers,

1010
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: Your UAB Blazers, So I think they're going to be

1011
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: in a nice place. Marshall, I mentioned is replacing a

1012
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: bunch of dudes, but defensively, they were in a great place.

1013
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: What are your Memphis thoughts? You have them right under

1014
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: uc Yeah, They've always been these past couple of years,

1015
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: not always so this past air of American football, Memphis

1016
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 2: has been right there with UCF. I mean, the offensive

1017
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: combination is super interesting. It's going to be a great offense. Yeah,

1018
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: it will be Brady White.

1019
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned demonte Coxy Joey Magnifico at tight end. How

1020
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: do you not like him? The questions, the line questions,

1021
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: the line and the questions the coordinators. If you can

1022
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: get that sorted out, I think they're in really good

1023
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: shape defensively. They were very young a year ago, very

1024
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: young a year ago, and weren't we all we were

1025
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: all a lot young, much different world. If they're a

1026
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: little better on defense, that goes a long way. I

1027
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: like the fact that you look at their schedule, they're

1028
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: probably a favorite in just about every game. Yeah, so

1029
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: for me, there are just fewer things to worry about.

1030
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: So many of the pieces are in place. It's really

1031
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: just a matter of the line, the defense playing a

1032
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: little better than they did a year ago, and the

1033
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: coordinator's not screwing it up.

1034
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 2: I don't know again which wrong this is. I've lost

1035
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: out of the tiers. But Utah States, we're talking about

1036
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: Utah State. I've got him on my list as well.

1037
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: There we're talking about. What do you. Let's give him

1038
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: something to talk about.

1039
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Ty. I don't like that, Jordan Love, I don't like

1040
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: that they hired Gary Anderson back. It was good for

1041
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: them all those years ago. He was he was Jordan

1042
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: like the higher But yeah, at quarterback is back. The

1043
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: receiving core, though, is entirely new. It is the offensive

1044
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: line bit of a question.

1045
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And their defense was so good last year.

1046
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: Though the defense was really good last year. I loved

1047
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: David Woodward, but there's a lot of turnover at linebacker

1048
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: as well. Oh and it's safety. While we're at it.

1049
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: The thing that's rough about Utah State their schedule just

1050
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: doesn't stop. That's the problem.

1051
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: I think they are Fresno, Boise, he comes to town.

1052
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: They open at wake. San Diego's on the road, Sanego

1053
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: State's on the road. We've got BYU and Logan, I believe.

1054
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: But Air Force is on the road, Fresno's on the road.

1055
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: Wyoming's to be tricky at tricky out. Boise's at home

1056
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: at least, but not a lot of weeks off no

1057
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: for Utah State, and you know, thank god they have

1058
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: Jordan Love and a pretty experienced defense. But it's it's

1059
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: going to test them for sure.

1060
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: So let's round this out here. Yeah, we're in agreement

1061
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: that you CEF is one, U, c F is one,

1062
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: bois two. We have some disagreement over I guess the

1063
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: next three between Boise, Memphis and Fresno.

1064
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have Boise next. I'm gonna take I'm gonna

1065
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: take Fresno next.

1066
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Okay, you're going Fresno next. I'm going high on the Bulldogs.

1067
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1068
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: Then I'm going so I'm going u c F, Boise,

1069
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: Memphis and Fresno. You're going UCF Fresno, Boise and then

1070
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: Memphis Memphis, then Boise, Memphis and Boise. Okay, yeah, I

1071
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a downturn for Boise this year.

1072
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: After that, I think we get into the next rung

1073
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: is what I'm what I'm feeling here, and that next

1074
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: rung consists of probably Houston next, and in some combination

1075
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati and app State.

1076
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Speaker 2: I'm taking Cincinnati over Houston.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati over Houston. Okay, I'm just I'm putting more value

1078
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: on defense here. Then we've got Ohio and San Diego

1079
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: State also on the list. There are maybe two or

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00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: three other teams that we need to place here before

1081
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: we can let the fine people go. You toss state?

1082
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: Where does you toss state? Rank? On this?

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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: The schedule has they're in the they're in this worth

1084
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: talking about tier of group of five teams, but they're

1085
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: add or near the bottom.

1086
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to put them above San Diego State. Okay,

1087
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: We've also got Army in here.

1088
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: I would have Army right after like I would have

1089
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: them probably after Boise Sincy somewhere in there.

1090
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: They're going to win double digits.

1091
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: I would have Ohio right around there. I think I

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00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: have an app State over Ohio. I believe that's what

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00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 2: I said, Yes, but my memory is short. We've also

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: I want to say, I think I have to have

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00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: Ohio over San Diego State. We last time these two

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00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 2: teams played Ohio shut them the hell out for sure.

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have North Texas on our list here.

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00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: I have North Texas maybe right below app State.

1099
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've no, I got them below Utah State.

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00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: Blow Utah State.

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00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm down on the mean green a little bit. Yeah, seven,

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00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: eight and four.

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: I think that's it for all the teams that we

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Speaker 1: mentioned here. And I apologize to the listeners if this

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00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: was a bit disorganized, but this is sort of a

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: real conversation. We're working this out on the spot, trying

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00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: to figure out are we come down on a group

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Speaker 1: of five. There are a lot of teams to talk about,

1109
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: a lot of teams to talk about, but at a minimum,

1110
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: we have a consensus that our four favorite group of

1111
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: five teams are UCF, boy C, Memphis, and Fresno in

1112
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: no particular order.

1113
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you some wild cards.

1114
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's rifle through them, real quick.

1115
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: Wild cards to consider. I mean, we mentioned to Lane

1116
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: a couple times, but of all of these teams, they

1117
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: might have the best defensive line, and that is something

1118
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: that is something that is significant. So I'm saying keep

1119
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: an eye into Lane. They've got an angry wave logo.

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Speaker 2: What's better than that. Temple was good a year ago,

1121
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: even with a new coach. I expect them to remain good,

1122
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: especially on defense. Conference USA wise, I think we covered

1123
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: everybody worth covering, and Neil Lanekiff and Fau, you know

1124
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: they have talent on offense. But man, what a step

1125
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: back last year. What an incredible step back. So it's

1126
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: hard to see just a complete reversal again. The bottom

1127
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: of Conference USA is is and should be rough, and

1128
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: that's unfortunate. Any any thoughts about UMAs new Mexico State

1129
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: b YU we haven't talked about. I'm kind of high

1130
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: on BYU. I don't know where they'd fit in among

1131
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: all of these teams as an independent, but with a young,

1132
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: promising quarterback and things in order. I think they should

1133
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: be okay, they just have a tough schedule. Listen to

1134
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: these these these first eight games for by Utah, Tennessee,

1135
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: USC Tennessee on the road, Washington at Toledo at USF

1136
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: which should be okay, not great, Uh, Boise State at

1137
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: Utah State. That's the first state. They have a bye

1138
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 2: before Utah State. They have a bye before Usflat's that's

1139
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: a slate. And then they finished pretty nicely with Liberty,

1140
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: Idaho State, UMass, San Diego State, both on the road.

1141
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: But I think Poise, I think by using me pretty good. Okay,

1142
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: Well they go nine and four last year, yeah nine

1143
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: one team I mean had a Bowl game. Yeah, that's

1144
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: they're improving. They're going in the right direction. Other teams

1145
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: at least, I mean not at least definitely worth mentioning

1146
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: from a group of five standpoint, I don't know how

1147
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: and where they would fit in on any sort of

1148
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: wrong but I mean we barely talked about the MAC

1149
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: other than Ohio. But Western Michigan still decent. Eastern Michigan

1150
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: had a hell of a defense last year and pulled

1151
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: off a couple of pretty impressive wins. And I you

1152
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: wins the damn Conference, and we haven't really talked about them.

1153
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: Buffalo is good but loses a lot, but I really

1154
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: think they're really well coached. Mountain West wise, I think

1155
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: we hit a bunch. I mean we hit Hawaii at

1156
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: the top. Think they're gonna throw on everybody and get

1157
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: intercepted potentially by everybody. But Cedric Byrd was crazy fun

1158
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: to watch against Arizona, and I suspect he will be

1159
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: against everybody else on Hawaii's schedule. Colorado State interesting moves

1160
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: in the transfer game. I think they'll have an okay year,

1161
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: even though they lose a good amount on offense air force.

1162
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: I think bounces back. I mentioned that I'm intrigued by Wyoming.

1163
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: Nevada was a bold team a year ago. I think

1164
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: they're not as good this year. And UNLV is dangerous.

1165
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: They are weekend week out, dangerous to either themselves or

1166
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: to whoever they're playing. So I can't wait, honestly for

1167
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: Mountain West football this year because I think at and

1168
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: you know, the top is sort of loosely defined in

1169
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: my brain. But the competitive teams in the Mountain West

1170
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: I think run pretty deep, so it should be a

1171
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: fun year out West.

1172
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: All right, well, please do right in. Let us know

1173
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Group of five. Yep, we are

1174
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: going to do a preview show on I guess Wednesday,

1175
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: which will go up and hit the airwaves on Thursday morning.

1176
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: We haven't said it yet on the show, we did

1177
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: say it at our live shows. This year's Solid Rebel

1178
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: is going to feature a little bit of a different schedule.

1179
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: So typically what we've done in the past is a

1180
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: review show every Sunday morning, goes up around noon lunchtime

1181
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: Eastern time here to recap all the action, and then

1182
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: we do our previews show on Wednesday, which goes up

1183
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: late on Wednesday night. This year, because on that Sunday

1184
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: show we can never quite cover the full scope of

1185
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: college football the way we would like, we've decided to

1186
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: add another show just for the season. We're going to

1187
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: be doing shows on Sunday, which would go up still

1188
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: around lunchtime Eastern Time, as well as on Tuesday morning

1189
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: very early. We'll drop it around six am in time

1190
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: for your morning commute, so we talk a little bit

1191
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: more about what went on in the past weekend of

1192
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: college football, and then on on Thursday early morning again

1193
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: in time for your commute. That will be the new

1194
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: posting time for our weekly previews show. So yes, Luno,

1195
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: those trees three shows talking about college football every week

1196
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: during the college football season.

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01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, think of it like this. It's the preview, it's

1198
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: the recap. Nothing really changes there. And then the Monday

1199
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: slash Tuesday show that we're doing is trying to make

1200
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: sense of everything, trying to see where everything fits in.

1201
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: Maybe answer a couple of your questions, Maybe do some segments,

1202
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: try to stretch a little bit, not stretch in the

1203
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: way of like kill time, but stretch in the let's

1204
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: touch on a bunch of things that we don't have

1205
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 2: time usually to touch on. And in years past we've

1206
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: done the deep dives on specific teams. I think those

1207
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: will be sort of micro segments within that newer big

1208
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: picture show. But we're excited to we have fun talking

1209
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: about is this team better than this team? Is this

1210
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: conference looking real weird? You know, if there's a guest

1211
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: that is going to add something, we'll have him or

1212
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: her on And that's that's the sort of cool thing

1213
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: that we want to h to flex our our lean

1214
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: muscles doing well. There you have it, so our lean

1215
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: podcasting muscle Lean podcasting muscles. We will leave it at that.

1216
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Speaker 1: Please get right in soliverble at gmail dot com. We

1217
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: will be back on Thursday correct posting our week one preview. Oh,

1218
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: we will be posting on our website.

1219
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: Give that sentence, give it some zazz.

1220
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to get too excited today.

1221
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh my gosh, it's week one.

1222
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: We will be posting details you want to get in

1223
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: on the Pickam game as well, mm hmm on the website,

1224
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: on the twitter feed, Facebook, Instagram, all the usual hotspots.

1225
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: But take a deep breath, because the season is near.

1226
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: It is I'm excited for that. Go over there, my good.

1227
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: Friend Dan Rubinstein for myself, Tie Hildebrand will be back

1228
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: in just a few days to talk some actual college football.

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Speaker 1: At the meantime, say silent yes,