WEBVTT - Tech News: The 150 Billion Dollar Facebook Lawsuits

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>tech news for Tuesday, December seven, twenty twenty one. Rohinga refugees,

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<v Speaker 1>survivors of a genocide campaign, and Myanmar have brought two

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<v Speaker 1>class action lawsuits against Meta, you know, the company that

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<v Speaker 1>used to be known as Facebook. One of those class

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<v Speaker 1>action lawsuits is in the United States and the other

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<v Speaker 1>one is in the United Kingdom, and together the lawsuits

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<v Speaker 1>are seeking around a hundred fifty billion dollars in damages.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I put a d at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of billion there. The Rohinga are a Muslim people,

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<v Speaker 1>and extremist Buddhists in Myanmar, encouraged by the country's government,

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<v Speaker 1>had sought to Why about those people? Uh, the atrocities

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<v Speaker 1>are just absolutely horrifying anyway. The lawsuits claim that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbated an already deadly situation in Myanmar, facilitating the spread

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<v Speaker 1>of hate speech and misinformation, and that this contributed to

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<v Speaker 1>various users in Myanmar growing more extreme and organizing acts

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<v Speaker 1>of unspeakable violence and cruelty and brutality. They further alleged

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<v Speaker 1>that Facebook did nothing to remove posts from Myanmar's government

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<v Speaker 1>offices that essentially called for the extermination of the Rohinga people. Further,

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<v Speaker 1>the lawsuit alleges that Facebook's algorithm, which is the one

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about in yesterday's episode of Tech Stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged people to join groups that aligned with user beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say there's someone in Myanmar who joins Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>and that this person already harbors negative views about the

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<v Speaker 1>Rohinga people. Facebook's algorithm starts to recommend groups for this

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<v Speaker 1>person to join, and these are groups filled with others

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<v Speaker 1>who harbor racist or xenophobic beliefs about the Rohinga and

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<v Speaker 1>the user joins the group and becomes part of an

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<v Speaker 1>echo chamber that escalates matters, and it drives people who

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<v Speaker 1>are already prejudiced toward extremism and adding fuel to an

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<v Speaker 1>already dangerous fire. And meanwhile, Facebook was profiting off the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, because, as I mentioned in yesterday's episode, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole business purpose of Facebook is to keep as many

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<v Speaker 1>people on the platform for as long as possible to

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<v Speaker 1>serve up as many ads as possible. So the lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>claims Facebook execs didn't care that the platform was contributing

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<v Speaker 1>to a hostile situation, to put it lightly, because it

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<v Speaker 1>was a profitable situation. At least in the company's ledger,

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<v Speaker 1>the plaintiffs wrote, quote to maximize engagement, Facebook does not

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<v Speaker 1>merely fill users news feeds with disproportionate amounts of hate

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<v Speaker 1>speech and misinformation. It employs a system of social rewards

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<v Speaker 1>that manipulates and trains users to create such content. End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The complaint goes on to say that Facebook was made

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the anti Rohinga material on the site as

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<v Speaker 1>far as back as two thousand thirteen, but failed to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about it. Here in the US, the plaintiffs

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<v Speaker 1>hope to have the matter tried under Burmese law. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason for that, you know, under Burmese lawns of

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<v Speaker 1>US laws, because the United States famously has the Communications

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<v Speaker 1>Decency Act, which contains section to thirty. Uh that's the

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<v Speaker 1>infamous section that grants platforms immunity from liability for the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that their users post, at least under certain situations.

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<v Speaker 1>The case law on the matter is a little bit muddled. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>some scientists and academics have sent an open letter to

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<v Speaker 1>Meta Slash Facebook and to Mark Zuckerberg, calling on the

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<v Speaker 1>company to share research that staff have done to determine

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<v Speaker 1>the mental health impact that products like Instagram, Facebook, and

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<v Speaker 1>WhatsApp can have on the young, and by young, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean like kids to teenagers. The group also asks that

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<v Speaker 1>met us seek out an independent third party to review

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<v Speaker 1>that research to help protect against bias, because obviously any

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<v Speaker 1>company that conducts research on itself has a potential conflict

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<v Speaker 1>of interest going on there. This follows the news reports

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<v Speaker 1>about leaked internal documents from the company that indicated Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>use might be mentally harmful, particularly for young women, that

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<v Speaker 1>it could potentially lead to problems like body image issues,

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<v Speaker 1>eating disorders, and anxiety. The documents obviously caused a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of concern, but at the same time, the group of

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<v Speaker 1>scientists say that without independent scrutiny, the methodology might not

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<v Speaker 1>be rigorous enough to give insight into the scope of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem or even you know, if there is a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's possible that those who were surveyed for the

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<v Speaker 1>internal research were already dealing with mental health issues independent

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<v Speaker 1>of their usage of Facebook's products. Maybe those products exacerbated

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<v Speaker 1>existing issues, maybe they created them. It's impossible to say

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<v Speaker 1>based upon the limited research. So the point that scientists

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<v Speaker 1>are making is that it is a matter of concern

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<v Speaker 1>and should be investigated more thoroughly and with transparency, and

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<v Speaker 1>to behave otherwise is unethical, irresponsible, and potentially cruel. The

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<v Speaker 1>letter points out that platforms like Facebook have a global

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<v Speaker 1>reach and thus any effects it might have upon mental

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<v Speaker 1>health are a worldwide concern. But because big tech companies

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<v Speaker 1>like Meta Slash Facebook, because they rarely share research with

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific community, it is impossible to ascertain if an

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<v Speaker 1>effect is present and if so, to what extent. No

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<v Speaker 1>word on if Zuckerberg has written back yet. Now let's

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<v Speaker 1>give Facebook a little bit of credit in our next

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<v Speaker 1>news story. And this news story is actually from last week,

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<v Speaker 1>but it broke after we had published our news episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's about how Facebook identified and removed a disinformation

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<v Speaker 1>campaign that was originating out of China. Now, Facebook reps

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go so far as to say that this was

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<v Speaker 1>a state backed disinformation campaign, but it was a campaign

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<v Speaker 1>conducted by state backed companies and it was amplified by

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<v Speaker 1>state back media. But you know, Facebook left a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of wiggle room there before saying, like the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>government itself ordered the campaign. It's kind of like when

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<v Speaker 1>you say the word allegedly before you say something about someone.

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<v Speaker 1>I do that a lot on this show anyway. The

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<v Speaker 1>campaign was centered on a Swiss biologist named Wilson Edwards,

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<v Speaker 1>who had posted a claim that the United States government

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<v Speaker 1>had resorted to quote enormous pressure and even intimidation end

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<v Speaker 1>quote to force scientists around the world to blame China

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<v Speaker 1>for the origin of the coronavirus, essentially to implicate China

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<v Speaker 1>as being the place where the coronavirus first emerged. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign was saying that the scientific community had only

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<v Speaker 1>directed any attention towards China at all because the US

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<v Speaker 1>government was forcing it to. A bunch of accounts on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook emerged and engaged with this content, liking it and

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<v Speaker 1>reposting it, and then the Chinese media picked up the

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<v Speaker 1>story and ran with it. Only it turns out there

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<v Speaker 1>is no Swiss biologists named Wilson Edwards, and that hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of those Facebook accounts were created all around the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>They were all like posting at close to the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes with identical messages. In one case, a an account

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally posted the directions for how to spread this disinformation

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<v Speaker 1>and that the whole thing was in fact a manufactured story.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook subsequently removed more than six hundred accounts connected with

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<v Speaker 1>this attempt, and security officials say that this was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>par for the course as far as Chinese disinformation campaigns go,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh saying that it was pretty clumsy, it was shoddy work,

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<v Speaker 1>and that these campaigns lack the sophistication and effectiveness that

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<v Speaker 1>we typically see with Russian disinformation campaigns, which are far

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<v Speaker 1>more effective. So, in other words, the Chinese have room

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<v Speaker 1>for improvement when it comes to spreading misinformation, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have no doubt they will work hard to get up

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<v Speaker 1>to speed with, you know, like Russia. On a related note,

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter and Meta slash Facebook have revealed that both of

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<v Speaker 1>these companies have removed thousands of accounts connected to various

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<v Speaker 1>state backed disinformation campaigns and coronavirus misinformation campaigns. Twitter has

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<v Speaker 1>removed around two thousand accounts that were spreading misinformation about

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<v Speaker 1>human rights issues in China. That is, these were Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>accounts that we're pushing the state backed messaging that there

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<v Speaker 1>are no human rights issues going on in China, and

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<v Speaker 1>Meta has removed three other coordinated inauthentic behavior or see

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<v Speaker 1>i B operations in addition to the one I just

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<v Speaker 1>covered a second ago. So that whole misinformation campaign about

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<v Speaker 1>the United States pressuring the scientific community that would be

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<v Speaker 1>one of the coordinated in authentic behavior or c i

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<v Speaker 1>B operations. Meta also said that some campaigns involved creating

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of accounts and then mass reporting a target

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<v Speaker 1>account in an effort to get Meta to remove it. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, let's say that there's an activist in Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>they might find that their account has been targeted by

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<v Speaker 1>one of these mass reporting campaigns in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>silence them. So, in other words, some groups starts creating

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of accounts and uses all the accounts to

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<v Speaker 1>report the activist with the goal of getting them banned

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<v Speaker 1>or removed. Meta also identified another form of harassment it

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<v Speaker 1>calls brigading. This is when a bunch of folks some

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<v Speaker 1>are brigading. I guess uh. This is when a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of folks, sometimes hundreds or thousands of people coordinate to

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<v Speaker 1>harass targets in an effort to silence them. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like we've seen this before where it wasn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>an organized campaign. Things that have grown organically where a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people pile on start harassing a specific person.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, like during the Me Too movement that was

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<v Speaker 1>really ugly, like there were a lot of women getting

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<v Speaker 1>targeted by groups of people who kind of organically, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this, Well, this is a more coordinated effort to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, one that potentially state backed, so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>mass intimidation tactic. Meta pointed out a situation that emerged

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, specifically in Italy and in France, in which

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<v Speaker 1>anti vaxers were brigading against medical professionals and politicians and

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<v Speaker 1>folks like journalists. And you know, there was a time

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<v Speaker 1>when I really thought the idea of social networks, like

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<v Speaker 1>online social networks, that that was a good thing, that

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<v Speaker 1>it was connecting people together, that was the democracy of

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<v Speaker 1>the web, and it would allow for the freedom of

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<v Speaker 1>expression on a scale never before seen. But y'all, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for me to look at online social networks

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<v Speaker 1>today as anything other than toxic. It could be that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just getting too old and too cynical, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>um ugly stuff. I'm glad to see that the companies

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to fight against that. Obviously, it will be

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<v Speaker 1>a never ending battle that there will always be entities

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<v Speaker 1>out there that are trying to use these platforms to

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<v Speaker 1>further their own agenda. But I'm glad to see, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in this case, that there are some actions being taken.

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft announced that it has sees servers that the company says,

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<v Speaker 1>we're being used by a group of hackers based out

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<v Speaker 1>of China. Microsoft has called the group Nickel, and the

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<v Speaker 1>company says it had been tracking Nickel's activities since two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and sixteen. The group have been focused on gathering

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence with these servers, primarily as a way to find

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<v Speaker 1>effective means to silence or compromise targets. So you might say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of targets, Well, you know, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>China based hacker group, So, as I'm sure all of

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<v Speaker 1>you have guessed, the targets are typically people and entities

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<v Speaker 1>that the Chinese government has viewed as being a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>including human rights organizations and journalists. So the hacker group

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<v Speaker 1>typically performs reconnaissance on these targets to determine what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of software and technology they are using that gives them

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<v Speaker 1>the information they need in order to start hunting for

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<v Speaker 1>potential exploits that they can use to compromise the targets

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<v Speaker 1>devices and perhaps do surveillance or lock down the devices,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Microsoft obtained a court order allowing the company

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<v Speaker 1>to seize the servers and redirect traffic so that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't go to Nichols hackers. Instead, the traffic will go

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<v Speaker 1>to Microsoft, which will then use the information to study

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<v Speaker 1>the hackers techniques and potentially their goals. Now does that

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<v Speaker 1>mean that Nicol is out of commission because all these

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<v Speaker 1>servers got seized. Not hardly. Microsoft warns that the group

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<v Speaker 1>is still very much capable of acting against targets. This

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<v Speaker 1>was just part of their operations that's now been disrupted. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>the intelligence gathering part of their operations has hit a snag.

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<v Speaker 1>So the hackers still have the tools to attack targets

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<v Speaker 1>through malware and exploits, they just don't have the same

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<v Speaker 1>ability to gather information about their targets as they used to,

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<v Speaker 1>and even that is probably a temporary situation. Microsoft has

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<v Speaker 1>become one of the leading companies crusading against hackers, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>hackers that are financially motivated and that target companies and

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<v Speaker 1>you might wonder, well, how did this happen? Why did

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft take the torch on this one? Well, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>remember a lot of those companies happen to be Microsoft customers,

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<v Speaker 1>and in some cases, Microsoft is doing this because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want its own products to be uh the gateway

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<v Speaker 1>that hackers used to get access to a potential client's systems.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a pretty big motivator going on right there. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we have some more news stories to cover in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get to that, let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back. So about a year ago, word got out

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<v Speaker 1>that a Russian backed hacker group And yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot about hackers in this episode. Not my fault,

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<v Speaker 1>they just keep making the news. Anyway, a year ago,

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<v Speaker 1>this Russian backed hacker group, actually two groups, had managed

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<v Speaker 1>to compromise a product from the company's Solar Winds and

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<v Speaker 1>through an exploit, we're able to target around one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>of Solar Winds high profile clients. They're able to infect

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of clients, but they were specifically targeting around a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred of them, which included like nine federal agencies in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. The hackers were able to create what

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<v Speaker 1>was called a supply chain attack, So they were focusing

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<v Speaker 1>not on their ultimate targets right list of one hundred organizations. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they were focusing on a trusted vendor that all of

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<v Speaker 1>those targets were using. They all were buying software from

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<v Speaker 1>Solar Winds. So the thought the hackers had was, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if we can infect the software that everyone is purchasing,

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<v Speaker 1>then we can infiltrate all these systems without having to

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<v Speaker 1>target each one individually. By compromising the vendor, the hackers

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<v Speaker 1>were able to exploit the trust that these companies had

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<v Speaker 1>in that vendor and then use maliciously altered products to

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<v Speaker 1>gain access to the targeted systems. Now, the hacking groups

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for that attack are targeting cloud solution providers or

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<v Speaker 1>c sps. These are companies that, as the name says,

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<v Speaker 1>they provide cloud computing solutions to customers. So the ideas

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<v Speaker 1>infiltrate the CSP and you know, make sure you're hiding

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<v Speaker 1>from detection, and then you can snoop on that CSPs customers.

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<v Speaker 1>You can potentially develop techniques to infiltrate systems that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Because so much of companies work nowadays moved to the cloud,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's another way to get access to targets without

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<v Speaker 1>having to focus on them individually. Security researchers have pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out that the hacker groups are quick to develop and

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<v Speaker 1>adopt new techniques, which makes them particularly difficult to combat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a drastic contrast with the shoddy disinformation campaign

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<v Speaker 1>out of China we talked about earlier their nine and Day. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States, there's an ongoing political battle

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<v Speaker 1>that frames itself as a freedom of speech battle, and

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<v Speaker 1>what it really comes down to is whether social networking

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<v Speaker 1>platforms have the right to moderate content that is objectionable. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get too political on here. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, I think everyone here knows how I lean politically.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really a secret, and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>impart my bias on this story. But essentially this was

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<v Speaker 1>ah There was a law in Texas that was proposed

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<v Speaker 1>and passed and signed into law that was created by

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<v Speaker 1>conservatives who objected to platforms like Facebook and Twitter that

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<v Speaker 1>were removing posts and banning accounts belonging to mostly conservative

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<v Speaker 1>politicians who were adamant on passing on misinformation on everything

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<v Speaker 1>from the elections to COVID nineteen Texas passed a law

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<v Speaker 1>that said platforms would be banned from doing that. They

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<v Speaker 1>were saying that the platforms were effectively censoring uh individuals. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now a federal judge has placed an injunction against that law,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning it cannot be enforced, saying that the law has

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<v Speaker 1>hypocritically effectively censored the social network platforms when it says

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<v Speaker 1>they're not allowed to moderate users submitted content. The judge

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<v Speaker 1>said that the law is quote replete with institutional defects,

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<v Speaker 1>including unconstitutional content and speaker based infringement on editorial discretion,

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<v Speaker 1>and onerously burdensome disclosure and operational requirements end quote. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Ours Technica, the law as it was written

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't apply to conservative social networks like Parlor and gab

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<v Speaker 1>because this law specifically targeted platforms that had at least

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million monthly users, and Parlor and gab are below

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<v Speaker 1>that threshold. One Texas senator proposed lowering that to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five million monthly users, and that would have in fact

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<v Speaker 1>lumped Gab and Parlor into all the others, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate rejected that proposal, which does make it sound like

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<v Speaker 1>this was less about guaranteeing the right of free speech

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<v Speaker 1>for conservatives and more about restricting the moderating policies of

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<v Speaker 1>larger social networks. Over in the UK, the High Court

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<v Speaker 1>has ruled that Uber's business model is unlawful and the

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<v Speaker 1>company must comply with rules set out by the Private

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<v Speaker 1>Higher Vehicle sect. That act actually predates Uber, it was

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<v Speaker 1>first passed into law back in UK courts had previously

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<v Speaker 1>overruled Uber's claim that drivers are contractors and not workers.

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<v Speaker 1>According to UK courts, they are workers and thus Uber

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<v Speaker 1>is responsible for meeting obligations as an employer. This new

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<v Speaker 1>ruling says that Uber's attempts to have its contractual approach

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<v Speaker 1>made lawful are just done and dusted. It's a no go,

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<v Speaker 1>which means Uber will need to make fundamental changes in

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<v Speaker 1>how it operates in the UK in order to be

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<v Speaker 1>a legal business. See Part of Uber's argument was that

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<v Speaker 1>when a passenger uses Uber to book a ride, Uber

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<v Speaker 1>acted only as like an agent to connect a driver

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<v Speaker 1>to a passenger and then handle payment and that's it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the actual contract of passage would just be

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<v Speaker 1>between the driver and the passenger and Uber would be

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<v Speaker 1>out of the picture. But the court says, no, my,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not how it exitn't it Yep, the contract and

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<v Speaker 1>does have the legal obligations relating to that contract. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why they talk like that. And so now

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<v Speaker 1>ride hailing companies like Uber, at least in London will

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay more taxes per trip, which likely means

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see price hikes in Uber in London in

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<v Speaker 1>the near future. It might also mean that Uber will

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<v Speaker 1>reevaluate operating in the UK at all, because it could

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<v Speaker 1>be in that, you know, without having these loopholes or

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<v Speaker 1>at least in this case uh illegalities in place, Uber

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<v Speaker 1>will be unable to quote unquote disrupt I mean, compete

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<v Speaker 1>with taxi services, So we'll have to see the company,

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung is making a big change, but it's just an

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<v Speaker 1>internal change. The company is dividing into two internal divisions,

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<v Speaker 1>so still one company, but two internal divisions. One is

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<v Speaker 1>going to focus on semiconductors and the other is going

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on consumer electronics like televisions and phones. Each

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<v Speaker 1>division will have its own CEO. So this organizational change

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<v Speaker 1>will likely mean that we won't see much change on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside, at least nothing that's really obvious. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thought is this will allow each internal division to have

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<v Speaker 1>a more unified and focused strategy in the in its

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<v Speaker 1>individual market, rather than having to craft an overall strategy

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<v Speaker 1>for a large company with very different divisions. When you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, when you're trying to create big strategies for

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<v Speaker 1>companies that have a lot of diverse departments, it can

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<v Speaker 1>mean that you end up with a strategy that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but not really great for any one division because you

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<v Speaker 1>can't prioritize anything. If you do, then you end up

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<v Speaker 1>leaving others behind. So this is a way to really

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<v Speaker 1>prioritize each of those divisions and focus on them without

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<v Speaker 1>having to worry about leaving something else behind. Cannon, the

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<v Speaker 1>Camera Company, has announced it has developed an image sensor

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<v Speaker 1>that can take high quality photographs even in the arc.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's a pretty huge development. It's a tricky one

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<v Speaker 1>because image sensors are, you know, by definition, reliant on light.

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<v Speaker 1>The sensor can reportedly capture color photographs, and it uses

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<v Speaker 1>a technology called a single photon avalanche diode. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to tell you how that works, but honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's beyond me. Apparently it acts kind of like an amplifier,

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<v Speaker 1>except instead of taking an incoming electric signal and then

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<v Speaker 1>boosting it with a transistor or vacuum tube. This tech

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<v Speaker 1>can take a single incoming photon and use it to

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<v Speaker 1>generate a large number of electrons. The company plans to

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<v Speaker 1>enter mass production with the sensor late next year, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious to learn more about this tech, though

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<v Speaker 1>I can't claim I'll actually understand how it works any

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<v Speaker 1>better than I do right now, which is to say

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't, I don't. In a previous news episode,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about how NASA launched a special spacecraft that

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<v Speaker 1>will act as kind of like a battering ram in

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to move an asteroid out of its orbital

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<v Speaker 1>path around a different asteroid. This asteroid is not on

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of collision course with the Earth, but the

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<v Speaker 1>project is a test to see if this would be

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<v Speaker 1>a working strategy to deflect any incoming meteor or asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>so that it doesn't hit the Earth in the future. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>adding onto that story is the fact that NASA has

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<v Speaker 1>unveiled and impact monitoring algorithm called Century too, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is replacing an earlier algorithm called century So the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of this algorithm is to analyze the paths of

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<v Speaker 1>any as that stands for near Earth asteroids, and then

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<v Speaker 1>calculate impact probabilities, like what is the probability that one

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<v Speaker 1>day this particular asteroid will collide with the Earth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, the Earth has been hit with massive

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<v Speaker 1>objects from space before, so it's really just a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of time before it happens again. However, that matter of

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<v Speaker 1>time could be measured in millions of years. Still, it's

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<v Speaker 1>best to know about these things as early as possible

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<v Speaker 1>to give us the best chance to prevent an impact

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<v Speaker 1>from happening. Century too, is meant to calculate those risks

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<v Speaker 1>to give scientists enough warning time to develop a plan

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<v Speaker 1>should any in e A have a high probability of

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<v Speaker 1>colliding with the Earth. Of course, this algorithm will only

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<v Speaker 1>work with the n e as we know about, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of NASA's other work in this field is

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<v Speaker 1>all about expanding our knowledge of the neighborhood and looking

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<v Speaker 1>out for other possible planet party crashers. Finally, I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>on the show several times about quantum computing and how

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<v Speaker 1>it has the potential to revolutionize how we deal with

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<v Speaker 1>certain computational problems. I've also mentioned that it could with

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<v Speaker 1>the right algorithmic approach spell an end to modern cryptography. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now a company called Cambridge Quantum is making hay while

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<v Speaker 1>the sun shines, announcing that it has developed a way

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<v Speaker 1>to generate superior cryptographic keys. Now, from what I can tell,

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<v Speaker 1>these are still traditional cryptographic keys. They're just a more

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<v Speaker 1>robust ursion with a lot more randomness thrown in. So

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<v Speaker 1>random number generation is a very tricky thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with machines. Because machines rely on sets of instructions in

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<v Speaker 1>order to process operations, it is hard to write instructions

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<v Speaker 1>that create randomness. Usually we just manage pseudo randomness. So

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, you could argue that instructions are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>anti random right they are ordered anyway, these are not

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<v Speaker 1>quantum cryptographic keys. I did once to see a presentation

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<v Speaker 1>about quantum cryptography that was so fascinating and incomprehensible that

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot even start to explain it here. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is not the cryptography of the future necessarily. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>company does imply that its platform will generate cryptographic keys

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<v Speaker 1>that are more secure than the ones that we typically

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<v Speaker 1>use today, and will also be able to generate them

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<v Speaker 1>at a rate faster than other methods. So that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the news for Tuesday, December at the one.

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