WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Striking Out With Carroll 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.080 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.280 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:11.000 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:15.319 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.680 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:25.440 Wait Well with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.920 and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, October tenth, twenty seventeen, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.680 Season thirteen, episode number fifty four. Welcome to another edition 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.160 of The Break, Live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.760 the start, we've got breaking, breaking, breaking news for you guys. Actually, 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.120 if you listened to The Break regularly, you actually probably 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.600 knew that this could be a possibility, or maybe it 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.760 was coming because we've been talking about this for the 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.720 last couple of days. But we've we've now started to 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.279 hear reports and suggestions at the Cowboys actually gonna make 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.600 a move on. Nolan Carroll, Dave, you've been on top 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.040 of the story since it started breaking. What do we hear? Yeah, 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.080 it's not I mean, we got our own ways of 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.720 getting information around here. It's not just going off reports 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.040 and other people's knew that was confirmed. It good. We 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.600 have Well, he is not officially not a member of 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.600 the Cowboys anymore, but he will be. He is going 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:21.920 to be released. Um, biggest free agent signing of twenty seventeen. Uh. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.440 I mean it's funny because, yeah, and I defended Nolan 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.720 Carroll more than most. I don't think he was, as 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.160 I said, more than most. No, No, I was agreed 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.520 with that. I was just saying that you should never 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.880 I don't think he was as awful during training camp 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.360 as he got a lot of credit for. I certainly 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.160 don't think he had a great stint here Um he was, 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.840 he had a sizeable contract compared to basically everybody else 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.480 at the position, and he's been out for the better 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.440 part of a month and a rookie stepped up and 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.640 kind of took his job away from him. So, um, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.080 it's it's funny because I didn't go back and listen 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.120 to it. But I think what I remember talking about 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.840 yesterday was it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:12.239 cut Nolan Carroll. But you know, with Cheeto Woozier's hamstring 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.240 and just the nature of having so many young guys, 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.680 maybe you still want to keep a veteran around. But 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.040 I guess you kind of look at it and say, well, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.520 he wasn't super good last time he played, and he's 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.919 making a lot of money, and these young guys are 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.119 playing pretty well, So let's just go ahead and move 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.480 across this bridge. Because that's what he was anyway, a 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.440 bridge player. So what do you think that means about Cheeto? Though? 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.720 I know, and I got your point yesterday that until 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.880 he was completely healthy, why lose a body, even as 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:43.760 bad as I thought he'd play. So I lose a 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.320 veteran body. And we're joking about this the other day 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.840 about how me and Nick are the type of sickos 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.520 who were thinking about this stuff all day every day. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.200 So I saw this morning. I saw this morning that 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.360 he's gonna probably gonna be cut, and I'm walking my 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.640 dog and I'm thinking about it. I'm like, Okay, well, 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.919 how do these numbers make sense? And I came to 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.720 the conclusion that it really doesn't matter, because even without Carol, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.560 you still have five true cornerbacks. You got Scandrick, you 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.120 got Brown, you got Lewis, you got Cheeto, and you 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:17.440 have ben abin Wickery. Cheeto's hamstring is obviously a problem, 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.720 but for the time being, you also know that Xavier 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.120 Woods can play nickelbacks, so and then you know you 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.040 have a roster spot, which, for all we know, you 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.120 could use on cornerback, or you could find a way 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.280 to bring another cornerback to the team if you really 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.200 wanted to. But they have enough corners to play a 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.400 game even if Cheeto's not healthy. And then when he 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.280 presumably does get health healthy, hopefully after the bye week, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.480 then you have plenty of bodies. When you think about that, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.560 Nick with ben abin Wickery assume I mean, obviously Benet's 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.400 going to be on this team, Carol is not, and 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.080 you're not really saving money. You're actually you still had 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.080 four million. There's a four million dollars guarantee. I think 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.000 on that one he's gonna count. He's gonna count two 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.320 million towards the cab next year, right, So you you're 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.520 basically paying him to walk away. Way. What does that 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.080 really say about kind of how the Cowboys feel about 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.720 him as a player, Well, it means that he wasn't 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.800 going to help them at any point. They didn't feel 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.320 like he was good enough to have in the building. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.400 So um, you know, and maybe there's more to it 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.599 that that we don't know. Maybe there's more to this, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.680 uh in the DWI that something's going to go come 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.840 down at some point there. But I think they're just 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.240 going to completely wash their hands of him and say, well, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.120 you know, I mean, you gave you plenty of opportunities 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.280 to do things on the field, you didn't do it. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.880 He got hurt, they had to make sure he was 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.560 one hundred percent healthy before he came back, and then 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.960 they just he's not good enough to be on this 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.600 football team. I mean, he's probably better than than been Wickery, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.000 but at the at the price and everything, I think 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.920 they just want to send a message, and that's this 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.440 is the time to send messages. You think about it too. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.760 No one care and that's I never had a problem 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.080 with the signing. And don't get there are cowboy fans 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.599 out there right now who are saying I've been saying 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.040 this March, this guy's a bomb. I told him the 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.120 day they signed him, he's a bomb. But they signed 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.680 him two months before they drafted any of these cornerbacks. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.720 That's the way this works is if you're gonna let 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.520 Brandon car and Morris Claiborne go, you gotta make sure 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.840 you have a competent cornerback who can play for you 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.679 if the draft doesn't work out, or if your draft 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:24.240 pick tears his ACL or whatever. So you do your 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.080 due diligence, You give yourself some insurance in March, and 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.400 then you addressed the position, and then draft and hopefully 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.800 your draft picks are good enough to make him irrelevant. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.640 And that appears to be what they feel about the 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.680 situation right now, and your expectation, or at least their expectation, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.760 probably was that it was going to take a little longer, 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:42.960 that bridge was going to be necessary for a little longer, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.320 because it may take those rookies a little longer to 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.360 be ready to play at that level, and it seems 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.800 like Jordan Lewis may have already shown them that good 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.680 enough to play at that level. You talk about the 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.760 necessity of having a veteran guy, to me, that doesn't 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:01.159 mean anything, at least with Nolan Carroll, right. Veteran means 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.320 absolutely nothing because he hasn't given us that. So let's 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.640 give it to Jordan Lewis and these rookie guys and 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.080 we'll just see if they can manage with what they 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:11.880 got right now. Yeah, I think that's a good point, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.480 because it's one thing for veteran to have a veteran 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.680 it's another thing of that veteran isn't playing very well, 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.560 because then you're you're kind of you might as well 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.600 take the young guy and they grow with him, let 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.240 him make the mistakes he's gonna make as a part 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.880 of maturing and getting better. It makes you wonder, you know, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.039 if if either of those guys, or both of those 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.800 guys preferably had been healthy during training camp, if Nolan 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:36.560 Carroll's not a cutdown day cut like Cedric Thornton was. Yeah, so, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.479 but obviously they weren't, and so but what it took 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.480 a month for them to feel good enough about their 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.480 young guys that they didn't need him anymore. I guess 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.360 when you still think about it overall, though, do you 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.640 think it was a bad decision for them to sign 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.520 him because they did still guarantee him. It's not a 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.880 ton of money, but it's a it's a significant amount 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.520 of money from the standpoint of just it's not it's 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.240 more it's four million dollars guarantee for a guy play 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.960 two games. Of course, it was a bad decision anytime 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.280 you sign a guy and he can't even make it 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.039 through you know, week five or you know a week 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:09.960 six of the season. I mean, yeah, it was a 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.040 bad decision. They didn't, especially with the guys that they 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.679 let go. Um, But I was I mean, I wasn't 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.480 one that was like, oh my god, this is a 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.960 horrible move. So I mean, I can't sit here and 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.960 say that that's the that's the epitome of hindsight. Like 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.800 I said, But it was a bad decision, right, it 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.680 has to be a bad you know, it's a it 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.080 was a good decision that didn't pan out. That doesn't 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.200 make it a bad decision. How was it a good decision? 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.080 Because again, what I just said, you need to address 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.960 the position. No, no, no, no no, no. What I said 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.000 what you could address the position. But there were a 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.640 lot of free agents out there, including the guys that 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.520 you let walk out of the door. So I if 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.520 you brought him, if you brought him in, if you 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.640 brought him in and he could only make it five games, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.280 and then you made the decision that, for whatever reason, 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.160 you're going to continue to pay him what you want 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.280 him to leave, that has to be a bad decision. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.720 Brand cars making double what you're paying, not guarantee, not all, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.600 it's all player incentives. He's right, exactly. So that's the point. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.160 So if he plays well, you're happy to pay him 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.400 that amount of money. Right, It wasn't a guarantees that 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.280 There wasn't a big difference in guarantees between these two contracts. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.160 They didn't want Brandon car Okay, but that's part of 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.640 the decision, right. The decision that they made was that 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.480 they'd opt for Carrol. And when they opted for Carol, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.160 they ended up with a guy that made it five 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.240 games and only played two. You have, and then they 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.360 paid him to walk away. You have to address the 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.800 position at some point or another otherwise, absolutely right. But again, 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.440 when you sign a player, it's a gamble. It's not necessary. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.680 That's when you make a good decision or bad decisions. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.200 I there's good picks, bad picks, right, I mean, yeah, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.480 this is there's nothing Will McClay and this and these 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.679 guys have been great in free agency, and so we're 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.400 not knocking that this was a bad decision. I guarantee 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.120 he'll come right in here and tell you, yeah, we 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.360 messed up that one. Yeah, because you talk about double 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.840 what Brandon car He's gonna play triple the games. He's 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.439 definitely gonna have double the interceptions and all that. I mean, 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.920 there's no way that they thought, you know what, just 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.160 let him play four or five games and then we 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.040 cut them. I don't look at it as a bad 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:07.920 decision because I don't look at him as a guy 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.120 that they ever wanted to be around. But you have 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.040 to pay somebody to play the position. And yeah, I 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.720 mean funny, this is like ironic. This is like the 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.120 flip for the game. Like I look at it like 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.600 it wasn't a bad decision to go score. You have 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.840 to score, you have to address the points, and so 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.480 you go and you score, and you have to score 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:25.960 and you can't worry about it, so it wouldn't be 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.760 you know, And it's just funny how it's like it's 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.720 like I see what you're trying to say there. Yeah, no, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.480 I mean, but I do. It's like it's just the 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.880 way we look at things like I don't, I don't 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.480 fault Garrett, and then for doing that, and you you did, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.679 and I don't, it's fault. It's very similar. You're right, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.319 because you have to sign a player, right, you have 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.480 to pay that player, especially who you who you sign. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.319 Is where I'm saying, is that was at it. I 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.559 want you to come back in here with a list 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.680 of dudes that were available and affordable that car I've 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.160 been saying, I've been saying forever Brandon Cars a guy 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.839 they should have kept. And that's where I think that 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.520 decision was a port. I'll know how calculated all of 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.480 our decisions are. Um Carrot Kent's always so ready with 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.559 prayer drops. Now I'll sit right here and say I 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.160 didn't think that there was much of a difference between 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.800 Carrol and car Honestly, I didn't know. I had not 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.120 Well here's the deal. I didn't know like other people 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.400 sit and go, No, I didn't know what I didn't 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.160 know what Nolan Carroll was because I hadn't watched a 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.600 whole lot of Nolan Carrell. I did see its abuse him, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.320 but I didn't know what he was. And I asked 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.680 Brian as soon as they signed, I was like, is 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.439 this what do you think? And he was like, that 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.679 compliment him, Well, that's not that he had a good 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.240 games had a good game against him. He's thinking about 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.400 Bradley Fletch, right, Bradley who Bradley Fletcher Fletcher right that No, 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.040 that last game that the Cowboys played, when the last 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.800 game Dez played a lot versus Nolan Carroll, did he 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.839 not have a few touch I thought it was touchdown? Main. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.160 My main thing Nolan Carroll is that he's the guy 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:05.000 that Terence used on Romo's last ever touchdown. That's Carol Well. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.040 But I guess the point I'm making is I didn't 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.080 know what to expect from Nolan Carroll. What I did 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.600 know is when it came to Brandon Carr, he was 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.120 a reliable cornerback, didn't miss games, and I never thought 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:16.480 he was as bad as a lot of people thought 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.679 he was. I thought he was a good, solid cornerback, 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.440 and for me, a good solid cornerback when you're trying 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.000 to revamp the position was what you need it. You 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:25.959 needed that kind of guy to be kind of your 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.360 glue guy and be your bridge guy until those young 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.280 guys could step up. I wish I had had time 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:35.200 to research this. I know, knowing or Brandon Carr's contract 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.120 was very incentive based. I know that, but I think 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.000 it's guarantees. I want to say, was it wasn't a 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:42.679 lot more? I want to say six or seven million, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.360 six or seven million, and guarantees Carol had four that's less. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.359 You were the ones just saying four million is not significant, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.000 So two million is now significant. So you're letting, you're 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:54.839 you're letting go of the guy. You're you're you're still 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.319 paying him less and for the record, letting a guy, 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.120 but he's also gonna play a ton more when guy 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.400 walk over. Four million is not a big deal in 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.559 the world of the NFL. It's foot two million dollars 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.040 difference for a guy that's going to be here is 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.280 a bit. I'm just so they went bargain hunting and 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.600 it didn't work out. That's what they did, right. It 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.120 didn't work out because it was not the right guy. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.480 Doesn't make it a bad decision. It makes it. It's 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:19.280 a necessary decision, and honestly it necessary was them having 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.840 to sign a cornerback. Yeah, necessary is not having to 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.520 sign Nolan Carre. I want Brandon car It has to 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.800 be Brandon car Like, that's ridiculous, not what I'm saying. 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.080 What I'm saying is that if you're not going to 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.160 if you're going to make a decision between those two, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.800 Brandon Carr was the better decision. That's what I'm saying 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.400 Brandon Carr might look equally, but in this defense with 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.520 no other help around him. I mean, he's public enemy 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.719 number one among cows. I don't care about public I 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.439 don't care about what fans think about it. What I 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.800 said it was I didn't think he was a bad cornerback. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.480 I thought he was a solid cornerback that was reliable. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.319 This is just the epitome of rearview mirror stuff right here. 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.720 That's all right, But all all we're saying is is 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.920 that it was I mean, you can chalk it up 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.400 as a bad decision. There's no way Jerry's about to 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.440 sign this like okay, we're doing this, and then like 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.400 you sure, like he's only gonna play like two games. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.800 He's gonna have a really bad training camp. He's also 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:15.000 going to get rested for d WI. Good decision, We're good, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.960 great decision because we gotta address the position. I see 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.480 your point, but that's that's just your way of saying, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.360 let's move on, yo. Never the last two minutes he's 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.480 argued just for the sake of arguing. He saw it 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.960 back when you made the analogy. I still I see 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:35.160 this is probably not a fruitful I think he's I 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.160 think what you're saying is is okay, yeah, whatever, but 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.959 move on like it's not gonna kill this team. I 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.840 absolutely there's there's that and problem, of course, and I 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.199 just I get your point and in like, I mean, okay, 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:55.079 bad decision, but no history here. But I still know 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.960 I still can't even go all the way there. I 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.920 still can't. It's it's a it's a decision that had 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.480 to be made that didn't work out. And I think 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.959 that's different. That's the definition of a bed. I think 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.240 I have a feeling though, that had the Cowboys signed 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.200 Brandon car we would be talking about them not getting 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.880 some other guy instead. I don't think so. I don't 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.720 think Brandon Carr would be the problem right now, and 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.320 that it wouldn't be the main problem because I'm pretty 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.960 sure people would not be happy with that decision either. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.320 We would still be talking about it right now right now. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.120 Can I say this? And I don't know about Nolan Carroll. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.120 In the meeting rooms, you said that we didn't really 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.920 see a veteran, you know, we didn't see the veteran 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.760 type of player that you were signing. I don't know 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.440 about the meeting rooms and how he groomed those guys along. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.400 But I know Brandon Carr is a leader. He is, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.080 He's a veteran player like that, so you would get that. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.400 I can't speak for Nolan Carroll, but I know off 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.720 the field he wasn't setting a good example. You know, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.560 he said all the right things after he was arrested, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.280 and he talked about a training camp and that, but 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.640 still happened. And you know, I don't know if that 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.640 was a major deal in this whole deal. I don't 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.960 know if he'll ever be suspended or Yeah. I won't 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.880 crucify him too much over that because I'm you know, 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.480 I'm big on the idea that, you know, if sometimes 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.720 mistakes happen and people do things and later they're like, man, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.800 that's not even in my character. I did it. It 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.320 was a bad decision, and now I have to live 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.200 with that and I deal with the consequences. So I'm 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.720 not crucifying him so much for that. I'm more talking 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.720 about what he did on the field. And on the field, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.760 I just didn't think he was that great. He wasn't, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.760 I got you know, I'll try to rephrase this. I'm 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.840 trying to dig myself out of here, but I'll give 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.880 you some time to dig yourself out. The nice thing 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.600 about the way the Cowboys handle free agency the last 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.240 few years is, Okay, maybe it's a it's a bad call. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:40.800 Clearly it's a bad call. The guy's not on the 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.840 team anymore, But it doesn't matter. It's it's it was 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:48.680 a very affordable, smart signing. They signed him so that 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.120 they would have bodies if it didn't pan out for 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.200 them in the draft. That's why you know they didn't. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.520 It's not like Namdi assmoa where you give him a 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.040 fifty million dollar contract and then he puts up that 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.880 performance or love him as much as I do giving 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.800 Brandon car fifty million dollars and getting three career interceptions 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.560 out of it or whatever he finished with during his 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.080 time here, and that's you know, as much as people 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.440 want to see them go big game hunting in free agency, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.760 that's a great benefit to doing it is that you're 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.800 not making or breaking your roster with these decisions. Yeah, 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.600 and I agree with And that's why I'm reluctant to 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.400 kill them over this because it's like, all right, great, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.040 like you tried to find a bargain and didn't work out. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.280 You got some draft picks, You're fine. Yeah, And let's 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.240 be honest. I'm not killing them over this. I'm just 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.680 saying that I think, in hindsight, I think it's played 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.080 out in a way to where they at least have 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.320 to acknowledge the fact that maybe, in looking at this player, 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.600 maybe they should have kept and maybe it's not Brandon 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.720 car Maybe they should have kept I don't know. Maybe 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.520 they should have kept Mo Clayborn. I don't think so, 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.160 but I think maybe they should have considered the fact 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.960 that keeping some continuity would have been a better option 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:52.920 than going out and getting a guy that you didn't 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.200 really know as well, and then you get him in 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.960 here and realize in two games he's not the right answer. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.680 Let's continue to pay him, but let's get him out 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.000 of the building. Yeah, I hear you. All right, let's 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.720 go ahead and take our first break when we come 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.240 back here intense as every show is here on the break, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.680 we're gonna take the break. But on the second half 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.119 of the show, we want to talk a little bit 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.879 about an article that Dave wrote yesterday. 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