Speaker 1: What's that.
Speaker 2: It's spooky, joky, I'm really sure it's dead, it's coming,
Speaker 2: it's way Wait a minute, I'm gasted us, says.
Speaker 1: He.
Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Raz. First of all, thank you guys,
Speaker 2: I got so many nice messages. That episode last week
Speaker 2: was so fun and I'm so happy that so many
Speaker 2: people enjoyed it. I think there might be some new listeners. Hello, welcome,
Speaker 2: come on in, go listen back to all the other
Speaker 2: old episodes, And thank you guys for all your kind
Speaker 2: messages about some of the changes I'm doing around here.
Speaker 2: But seriously, I like, I really want you. No, I'm
Speaker 2: not changed. I'm not giving up on the way that
Speaker 2: the show's always been. It's still gonna be that. I'm
Speaker 2: just there's just this format that I just want to
Speaker 2: do more. And today is another episode with a comedian
Speaker 2: who I adore, and she doesn't really have ghost stories
Speaker 2: of her own, but nonetheless we talk paranormal. We have
Speaker 2: a couple of chuckles. We'll talk about the Seaford Poltergeist,
Speaker 2: which is a case that I delved into on a
Speaker 2: Patreon episode a couple months ago, and it's a fascinating one.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit tired, and I've been trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what to do with this information. I posted
Speaker 2: a video on Patreon a couple weeks ago link in
Speaker 2: the description about a ghost relationship that I began a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, And by that I mean I
Speaker 2: kind of, by accident welcomed a ghost into my life,
Speaker 2: which I know it's way too spot on. It's like, like, seriously, girl,
Speaker 2: like all you do is talk about ghosts, and no,
Speaker 2: everything's a ghost for you. I know, I am skeptical
Speaker 2: of myself. There's a part of me that's like, no,
Speaker 2: there's no way, but I can just tell you what
Speaker 2: I have experienced and it's real and it's been happening
Speaker 2: at nighttime and it's been messing with my sleep.
Speaker 1: And I know.
Speaker 2: I was joking last week with Paton and Meredith about
Speaker 2: you know, you can't be too thirsty for it, because
Speaker 2: these ghosts don't want to end up on your podcast. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me just tell you the story now. I am
Speaker 2: not somebody that likes labels of any I am not
Speaker 2: buying non tinery, non quadrupinary. I don't know, I don't want,
Speaker 2: don't ever. I like a lot of different things at once.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to spiritual practices religions, I like
Speaker 2: a lot of them. And I've been dabbling in a
Speaker 2: little bit more witchcraft these days. I really do love witchcraft.
Speaker 2: I think I find a lot of similarities to a
Speaker 2: lot of different spiritual practices. I just witchcraft smells better.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say it. It smells better than the
Speaker 2: other ones. Not that the other ones have any scent.
Speaker 2: I just really like herbs and candles and oils. I
Speaker 2: also don't like to include any of my spiritual beliefs
Speaker 2: in the paranormal and not listen. I joke all the
Speaker 2: time when I'm talking on this podcast and stuff, but
Speaker 2: I really do view myself as a paranormal researcher and
Speaker 2: I don't like to have any bias because of my
Speaker 2: own spiritual beliefs. And I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: do in their paranormal research, and I love that. Actually.
Speaker 2: I think it's great to have a lot of different voices.
Speaker 2: But for me personally, I just the stance that I
Speaker 2: take is just to be very open minded and not
Speaker 2: and leave my biases at the door and just sort
Speaker 2: of hear how things are for other people. I find
Speaker 2: that fascinating so anyway, I've been you know, I've been
Speaker 2: doing witchcraft. But there's a part of me I'm kind
Speaker 2: of a private person. I don't really like to talk
Speaker 2: about that kind of stuff. I know it's like it's
Speaker 2: relevant to this story, but I wouldn't even necessarily say
Speaker 2: that what I was doing in this moment was witchcraft.
Speaker 2: It was I was just trying to, I guess, establish
Speaker 2: a connection, trying to find guidance, trying to I don't know,
Speaker 2: I was just, you know, just it's very similar to
Speaker 2: being like, are you there, God. It's me like kind
Speaker 2: of doing that, but you know, calling on ancestors, calling
Speaker 2: on you know, just that kind of thing, just just
Speaker 2: looking for guidance beyond myself. And so I don't want
Speaker 2: to put this in the category necessarily of witchcraft. I'm
Speaker 2: also slightly embarrassed because I don't want to sound like
Speaker 2: like I was doing something wrong or like I didn't
Speaker 2: like I didn't do it right. I will say that
Speaker 2: I went hard when it comes to this ritual of
Speaker 2: sorts that I was doing, just really focusing in meditating, manifesting, connecting,
Speaker 2: like I really really went for it this time. I
Speaker 2: think the first thing that happened, and I've been trying
Speaker 2: to log the activity. But I didn't realize that this
Speaker 2: was going to be a full on relationship when it started,
Speaker 2: So I think it was. I believe it was not
Speaker 2: the first night that I initially was saying, hey, what's
Speaker 2: going on? You up to the spirit world, But I
Speaker 2: think it was the second night. Second night, I'm laying
Speaker 2: in bed with my doorable Pomeranian, Rocky, who will turn
Speaker 2: fifteen this November. He sleeps so hard it's actually kind
Speaker 2: of scary trying to wake him up sometimes. And the
Speaker 2: two of us are sleeping, and there are two knocks
Speaker 2: in my bedroom in the corner of my bedroom, kind
Speaker 2: of where I keep my my crystals in my all
Speaker 2: that stuff. I hear two knocks on something. And this
Speaker 2: was not neighbors. This was in the room as far
Speaker 2: as I can tell. And it woke Rocky up. Rocky
Speaker 2: peaked his little head up and he was looking around too,
Speaker 2: and I just thought that that was weird. I went
Speaker 2: back to bed whatever, and I was the next and
Speaker 2: the next day, of course, I'm googling what does do
Speaker 2: knocks in the middle of the night mean? And I
Speaker 2: find some janky blog that's like two knocks in the
Speaker 2: night means death is coming or something like that. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, great, this is how I'm gonna die. Perfect,
Speaker 2: So I file it away. Whatever I go to bed,
Speaker 2: I believe it was the next night, I'm sleeping peacefully.
Speaker 2: You already know me, like I don't. I don't have
Speaker 2: hardly anything interesting ever happened in my dreams. I've got
Speaker 2: some kind of low budget, non union production happening in
Speaker 2: this brain. When I go to bad there's no there's
Speaker 2: no graphics, there's no know, there's nothing, there's the acting
Speaker 2: is horrible. It's just not good. So so I don't
Speaker 2: feel like I was dreaming this. And I felt something
Speaker 2: crawl into my bed. I felt a person crawl into
Speaker 2: my bed. I've been single for a minute now. I
Speaker 2: haven't felt anybody crawling in my bed, but I know
Speaker 2: that feeling. I was not expecting anybody to crawl in
Speaker 2: my bed. I had no plans for that to happen.
Speaker 2: My doors are locked, and I I jot up, And
Speaker 2: now I don't know if I woke Rocky up because
Speaker 2: I I jotted up. So jotted is jo you know
Speaker 2: you jott something down? I jetted. I I did something
Speaker 2: like that, I jetted, I jetted up, I did I
Speaker 2: got up, I sat up. Okay. And it's so funny
Speaker 2: when I when you go through these experiences, because I'm
Speaker 2: and I of course had a lot of paranormal experiences,
Speaker 2: but when I interview or just you know, talk to
Speaker 2: people on this podcast or in life that have these experiences,
Speaker 2: I'm always like, well, did you say anything? Did you
Speaker 2: say get out? Or did you girl? My neighborhood is
Speaker 2: so quiet, I've got neighbors real close by. Like, I'm
Speaker 2: not just gonna yell at what I'm going to say
Speaker 2: for the purpose of the story. I think was like
Speaker 2: three am. I don't quote me on that, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was in the middle of the night. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: not just going to be like get out, Like I'm
Speaker 2: just not going to do that.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: I went back to bed, and surprisingly I did go
Speaker 2: back to bed, and what seemed like a couple of
Speaker 2: minutes later, it happened again, and so I didn't like that,
Speaker 2: but whatever, I nonetheless managed to sleep. So I went
Speaker 2: back to bad. I was probably I think I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is probably in my head, like come on, all
Speaker 2: you do is consume ghost story content and things visiting
Speaker 2: people in the middle of the night, like it's probably
Speaker 2: in your head. So I usually set my alarm for
Speaker 2: a shameful hour for people that have normal lives, but
Speaker 2: in the in the morning technically, and this an hour
Speaker 2: before when I usually wake up. I believe that I
Speaker 2: heard a voice very gently in my ear, like kinda
Speaker 2: kind of could feel it in my ear. Now, who
Speaker 2: knows when you're sleeping, Who knows? But I heard somebody say,
Speaker 2: wake up, like real nice, wake up, one of those
Speaker 2: things where it's nice until you're that there's nobody there,
Speaker 2: and then it becomes terrifying. And so I did indeed
Speaker 2: follow their instructions, and I woke up, and I started
Speaker 2: to feel like it seemed it seems like a needy friend.
Speaker 2: Now I'm the kind of friend I have a lot
Speaker 2: of close friends.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: Call me Kelly Clarkston. I'm misindependent. I don't need I
Speaker 2: don't need a friend. That's like, what are we gonna
Speaker 2: do today? Where are we gonna go? I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't have an itinerary. I'm not you're not my responsibility.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take you places. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: just crawl into my bed and cuddle because it's sweet.
Speaker 2: I just I'm not that kind of person. It feels
Speaker 2: it felt like it was that kind of friend. It
Speaker 2: felt like it was an invisible version of one of
Speaker 2: those people that wanted to come into my life and
Speaker 2: wanted to say, what are we going to do today? Wait,
Speaker 2: you get the camma. No, I don't like that, And
Speaker 2: so I started putting up boundaries. I start, it's you saging,
Speaker 2: of course, or well, actually, now I use Palasanto and
Speaker 2: and I do a cleansing of the house, and I'm
Speaker 2: saying this time out loud that I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I do have a little bit of shame still, and
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to be too loud. I
Speaker 2: don't want my neighbors to be like, what is she
Speaker 2: doing now? I've ready put up with this person leaving
Speaker 2: the house in full drag at seven am to go
Speaker 2: to a drag brunch. The neighbors have seen it. Don't
Speaker 2: get me started on the things that they've seen and
Speaker 2: heard over here. So I'm just I got my Palasanto,
Speaker 2: and I'm and I'm saying out loud, hey, and I'm
Speaker 2: I'm like hey, hey, hey, it's me again. All right,
Speaker 2: I gotta put up some boundaries. I did want, you know,
Speaker 2: positive energies and vibes and and angels whatever, guardian angel whatever,
Speaker 2: you know. I use a lot of different words. I
Speaker 2: do want you in my life, but you can't. Can
Speaker 2: you please not interrupt my sleep? You're messing you know.
Speaker 2: It had been a couple of nights where I didn't
Speaker 2: have just I just didn't have good sleep, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like setting up this boundary and that was that.
Speaker 1: Well, then.
Speaker 2: I think that night was fine, so I'm like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: it worked wonderful. And then some other time within the
Speaker 2: next few days, I'm sleeping and it's it's happening a
Speaker 2: little bit more. Just little thing, not not crawling into
Speaker 2: the bed, not knocking, just I can't even explain it,
Speaker 2: but just getting awoken and it could be in my head,
Speaker 2: but like the feeling of something else in the room,
Speaker 2: and I God, Actually the story is kind of long.
Speaker 2: Should I leave a cliffhanger?
Speaker 1: Is that rude?
Speaker 2: I mean, I talk about it all on Patreon. Let's
Speaker 2: do a cliffhanger for now, guys hate me. Listen. It's
Speaker 2: not every day that I have a ghost appear in
Speaker 2: my life or some kind of supernatural force appear in
Speaker 2: my life and disrupt my sleep. And so since I
Speaker 2: literally have the job of talking about ghosts every single week,
Speaker 2: I gotta pace out my experiences when they do happen.
Speaker 2: So I actually think I will leave it as a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would say, listen, here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2: I will say to you before you get mad at me.
Speaker 2: So far, and this has been like a month. The
Speaker 2: craziest thing that has happened was that night that what
Speaker 2: I've already told you, but it's not over. Well, it's
Speaker 2: it's contained. Okay, before anybody starts telling me you should
Speaker 2: do this, you should do that. I pretty much took
Speaker 2: care of it. But then there was a part of
Speaker 2: me that was like, wait, I miss you. Do no, no,
Speaker 2: do no, don't don't go, don't go, don't go. I
Speaker 2: need the content come back, so I will. It's peaceful.
Speaker 2: It is not anything evil, I really don't think. So.
Speaker 2: I think it is truly a good thing. But there's
Speaker 2: been a couple of there's been some more activity that
Speaker 2: I could report, and I will report. Don't you worry, Okay, Anyway,
Speaker 2: you guys, I got to talk to my friend Naomi
Speaker 2: ek Paragan. Who is She is so funny. She has
Speaker 2: a comedy special on Netflix under a series called The
Speaker 2: stand Ups. If you just tell her name on Netflix
Speaker 2: you'll find it The stand Ups. And she also has
Speaker 2: some one that's coming out soon. She'll tell you about
Speaker 2: where you can hear her and see her. And she's
Speaker 2: on the TV show Mythic Quest on Apple TV constantly
Speaker 2: doing stand up. She was a writer on broad City.
Speaker 2: Hello credits, credits credits. I'm very grateful that she made
Speaker 2: the time. She's a lovely friend, and I think that
Speaker 2: I think this is the format. I mean, I'm kind
Speaker 2: of doing the same thing with Naomi that I did
Speaker 2: with Paton and Meredith. For the most part, I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit nervous about doing Haunted eBay dolls every time,
Speaker 2: just because I don't I first of all, I don't
Speaker 2: want these haunted eBay doll people coming for me. I
Speaker 2: don't want one of these dells showing up on my
Speaker 2: doorstep to say, oh, you think it's funny to make
Speaker 2: fun of our dolls, Well, here you go. I don't
Speaker 2: want that. And I also don't want people to make
Speaker 2: fake profiles so that I'll read them so we'll see.
Speaker 2: I might paste those out a bit, but or maybe not. Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. Here's me talking paranormal with Naomi ex
Speaker 2: Paragon on with the show Naomi eg Paragon at long last.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe it. I will tell
Speaker 1: you I my dog had a veit appointment this morning.
Speaker 1: It was for eleven am. Why did it take like
Speaker 1: literally two hours and twenty minutes? And I will put
Speaker 1: it in. I'm like, excuse me, I have to do
Speaker 1: a podcast about ghosts. Are we gonna wrap it up?
Speaker 2: I wanted you on here for a long time, but
Speaker 2: you know, the rule was always kind of you have
Speaker 2: to have a ghost story, and you've always been down
Speaker 2: to do it. But you said that you didn't have
Speaker 2: a ghost story, and I want to know what you're
Speaker 2: where you're at with all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still sad that I don't have a
Speaker 1: ghost story, you know. When you've asked me, it's like,
Speaker 1: of course I would love to have a ghost story, really,
Speaker 1: but I don't, And I don't you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Do I believe in them?
Speaker 3: Or do I like the idea?
Speaker 1: Of them. Do you think that that's interchangeable because I
Speaker 1: like the idea of ghost inspectors.
Speaker 3: I like the idea that wait, what do.
Speaker 2: You mean ghost inspectors ghosts? And then like spectors that's
Speaker 2: what I like to call them, saying ghost inspectors.
Speaker 1: Well, I do like the idea of inspecting ghosts. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I thought that that was like a
Speaker 2: word for like ghostbuster or something. Oh yeah, like the Hunters,
Speaker 2: I was inspectors. I don't like them because it's like
Speaker 2: all just shaky camera footage.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like those shows are just like they're really making a
Speaker 1: mountain out of a mole hill when it comes to
Speaker 1: what they get, you know, they're like they're like the
Speaker 1: waves on the machinet are different.
Speaker 3: And then they managed to make that what a twenty
Speaker 3: eight minute program?
Speaker 2: Uh, you're no fun, Naomi. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love a bunch of people just in a room,
Speaker 2: real serious going. Something touched me.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 1: see it, but I believe you see I need to
Speaker 1: see it. I like when things move, you can't be
Speaker 1: totally saying to some touch me. It's like may, I'm
Speaker 1: the window is open behind you. I'm gonna need a
Speaker 1: real sealed off space to make it believable.
Speaker 2: We need to get you on one of those shows.
Speaker 2: I want to see you join one of these TV
Speaker 2: shows and just be doing that the whole time, debunking
Speaker 2: every debunking.
Speaker 3: I would do it. I would do it. But I'll
Speaker 3: tell you this. It's like, I do want you to
Speaker 3: be right, but.
Speaker 1: I am gonna look for every other reason right to
Speaker 1: Really it's almost like a real fact checking. You say
Speaker 1: something touched you, but why do we make sure the
Speaker 1: overhead fan isn't on first right? Well?
Speaker 2: And I think that that is responsible ghost hunting. You
Speaker 2: can't believe everything. You have to be a little bit
Speaker 2: skeptical because if we just jump to everything's a ghost,
Speaker 2: as fun as that is, it doesn't really help anything.
Speaker 1: But you do believe, and you're you know, you obviously
Speaker 1: have ghost experiences, do you, but you don't believe everything's
Speaker 1: a ghost? Like?
Speaker 3: Are you still a little not cynical? But are you
Speaker 3: a little distrusting?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I say skeptical because I'm even skeptical of my
Speaker 2: own experiences to be honest, where I'm like, did I
Speaker 2: really did was that it's just in my head. But
Speaker 2: I think that it's I think that that's a good
Speaker 2: thing to be. I just I think you can be
Speaker 2: a believer in this stuff and still doubt that everything
Speaker 2: is legit. I mean, I have been to probably over
Speaker 2: a hundred psychics in my lifetime, but I almost have
Speaker 2: a problem when it comes to psychics. I'm picturing me
Speaker 2: like in recovery for psychics, but I've been to so
Speaker 2: many of them, and you can't you know, if they
Speaker 2: tell you you have to do this, it's you're in
Speaker 2: a weird situation where you're like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know you, lady, And you're telling me just because
Speaker 2: there's a real nice neon sign out front that you
Speaker 2: paid nice money for. Then that makes me believe that
Speaker 2: everything you say, I have to do this. One psychic
Speaker 2: one time told me, the second you leave this building,
Speaker 2: the most amazing thing is going to happen to you.
Speaker 1: Girl.
Speaker 2: I walk down Fairfax, not one damn thing happened to me,
Speaker 2: So I don't know. But then I happened to some
Speaker 2: psychics that have really nailed it.
Speaker 1: Really, So the last time I did anything remotely psychic,
Speaker 1: it would have been I mean, my god, it would
Speaker 1: have been two thousand nine or ten. All I know
Speaker 1: is I was very early in my relationship with A
Speaker 1: and D, and I was backstage though at I think
Speaker 1: I was backstage at Comics Comedy Club, which is a
Speaker 1: club in.
Speaker 3: New York that no longer exists.
Speaker 1: And it was like, We're about to do some show
Speaker 1: and there's a woman back there, and I think that
Speaker 1: she was a a partner of a comic, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't think she was a performer.
Speaker 1: But we're just like chit chatting. And then she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I am a palm.
Speaker 3: Reader and du taro.
Speaker 1: And I was like, ah, yay, do you feel like
Speaker 1: doing it? You know? And she is reading my palm
Speaker 1: and and I said something about being in a relationship
Speaker 1: and she was like, okay, well what I'm seeing here
Speaker 1: is is this person.
Speaker 3: You know, this is a good relationship, but this is
Speaker 3: not the one. This is just like a nice moment.
Speaker 1: Cut to thirteen years later, I am still with that person,
Speaker 1: and every now and then I think, okay, if we
Speaker 1: break up, was the pom reader right? She like, well
Speaker 1: it wasn't the one, oh no. But That's what she
Speaker 1: said to me, and I just remember being like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: which is also like, it's such a safe thing to say,
Speaker 1: right because ninety nine point nine percent of relationship not
Speaker 1: quote unquote, that is true.
Speaker 2: Sickly, it's a good you have a good bet guessing that.
Speaker 2: I guess. Did you have gloves on? Did you have
Speaker 2: anything on your hand that may have skewed her vision?
Speaker 1: You know what? My hands were probably ashy and that
Speaker 1: could have affected the read an ashy little palm?
Speaker 2: Have you gone to a psychic on purpose?
Speaker 1: No? Except I was like, you know what movie I
Speaker 1: loved when I was little, and like why? I was like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I want to go to a psychic ghost? Was the
Speaker 1: movie teen Witch? Ah? Did you see teen Witch?
Speaker 2: That Zelda Rubinstein?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Wait, okay, you know what I'm I've been really leaning
Speaker 2: into synchronicities lately, and I love the idea of synchronicities. Today,
Speaker 2: as I was in my bathroom, I was thinking about
Speaker 2: talking to you, and for some reason, I was thinking
Speaker 2: about Zelda Rubinstein.
Speaker 1: What that's insane?
Speaker 2: Well, actually I know why. Actually I know why because
Speaker 2: later on I wanted to tell you about a famous
Speaker 2: poultrygeist that they say inspired the movie Poulter guyst. I
Speaker 2: think that's why I was thinking, here I go be yeahctical.
Speaker 2: But I was thinking about Zelda Rubinstein, who might be
Speaker 2: my favorite actress of all.
Speaker 1: Time, of all time, that movie teen, which because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know she in that movie. She know, she's like
Speaker 1: quote unquote dowdy girl, you know, and like are's a
Speaker 1: crush on the hot boy from Afar and then she's
Speaker 1: like walking by herself in a store, and then she
Speaker 1: gets to Zelda's house and Zelda's like, Ye're a witch.
Speaker 1: And I was like always like, oh, I just wish
Speaker 1: like a small old woman would tell me my destiny.
Speaker 2: You know, well, why don't you go visit one. I
Speaker 2: know a lot of small old women that will tell you.
Speaker 1: But are they good? I'm really I really don't like
Speaker 1: the idea of being hustled. Okay, It's like why I
Speaker 1: don't like even like and I don't even just mean something,
Speaker 1: you know, like palm reading. It's like, if you say
Speaker 1: you're gonna come fix something in my house, you better
Speaker 1: be the real deal, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: can't have no shade yes plumber, Like, I just don't
Speaker 1: like this it's just like, how do I know if
Speaker 1: this person is good? And how are we defining good
Speaker 1: like their connection to the other side.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I always say in support of psychics, I
Speaker 2: don't believe that there's a single one that is always right.
Speaker 2: It just it just can't possibly be that way. But
Speaker 2: I do believe that they can be a lot of
Speaker 2: the times, but they wouldn't always be right. There's just
Speaker 2: no way we worship them. If they were always.
Speaker 3: True, they would be gods. They would be gods among us.
Speaker 2: Exactly. What about synchronicities for you? Is that something that
Speaker 2: you It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I do think that there have been times.
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of times in my life
Speaker 1: I've had a feeling of deja vus that has been
Speaker 1: so intense I.
Speaker 3: Was like, can I see the future? Do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: When you really feel like you were like I have
Speaker 1: been here before, and it's something that is it's not
Speaker 1: like something part of your daily routine where you feel
Speaker 1: like I've been here before, but something where it's like
Speaker 1: I've like been in this conversation with this person.
Speaker 3: Who I'm just meeting right now. Does that happen to
Speaker 3: you ever?
Speaker 2: Yes, what is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's interesting. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: like it's interesting. I think for me, I feel a
Speaker 1: very instant connection to people. Not everyone, but like when
Speaker 1: I feel it is instant in a way that like
Speaker 1: I'm very easily like I want to know her, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's how I felt about you. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm in love and it's really interesting that that happens,
Speaker 1: because it's like I think though, to me, it is
Speaker 1: a frequency thing. I think I'm drawn to people who
Speaker 1: have a very calming energy and comming I meaning notsily
Speaker 1: like you're here to soothe other people, but like you
Speaker 1: exude a sense of calm that I find so appealing
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how how I want to go to there?
Speaker 1: And it's just like really like it's it's really wild
Speaker 1: because I'll just be like like my stomach will kind
Speaker 1: of not up and it's just say this feeling of like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this person's great. I haven't said anything yet.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you about a famous poulter geist please? Okay.
Speaker 2: It's called the Seaford poulter Geist, which is not to
Speaker 2: be confused with the diet I'm on, which is the
Speaker 2: seafood diet. I don't know if you're familiar with this.
Speaker 2: The way it works is if I see food, I
Speaker 2: eat it.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is not that this is the Sea
Speaker 2: Ford poltergeist, not diet.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I got a lot of this information from the
Speaker 2: PSI Encyclopedia website, and this is a case that it
Speaker 2: is said to have inspired the Poulter guist. So it
Speaker 2: took place in Seaford, Like I'm hitting that hard. I'm
Speaker 2: sure it's just Seaford, Seaford, Seaford?
Speaker 1: Is it what?
Speaker 3: Seaford? Massachusetts, Long Islands, New York Islands? Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay, in a time before Teresa Caputo, the Long Island medium,
Speaker 2: who would have solved this in a flash. Ah. So
Speaker 2: this is a really interesting story because it did take
Speaker 2: place like really quickly. It was just like a moment
Speaker 2: in time that happened. The Herman family. So we're talking
Speaker 2: about James and Lucille Herman and they have a son
Speaker 2: and a daughter. Now is this adorable? I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but their kids were named James and Lucille.
Speaker 1: No, it's not adorable. Why not? I don't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's like a mini version of us exactly. But you
Speaker 1: guys are married and your children are siblings. Do you
Speaker 1: see where it's already at lost? Yeah, you see it's
Speaker 1: already a little off. And then it's also like, why
Speaker 1: don't you let your child be their own person? Why
Speaker 1: are you so obsessed with yourself? If you would to
Speaker 1: name some after yourself, I think you could. It could
Speaker 1: be a pet, but not another person.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's why the ghosts were drawn to them.
Speaker 3: I guess the evil of that have.
Speaker 2: So in February of nineteen fifty eight, Lil James Junior,
Speaker 2: who at the time was twelve Lucille was thirteen. He
Speaker 2: comes home from school and he goes to his dresser
Speaker 2: and he has a toy ship on it and a
Speaker 2: ceramic doll and they're broke. They're both broken. And Lucille Senior,
Speaker 2: do you call ladies seniors?
Speaker 3: I feel like this instance where they'd name a child
Speaker 3: after themselves.
Speaker 2: Big Lucille, Mama, Mama Lucille. So she's good. She goes
Speaker 2: into her room and on her dresser is a small
Speaker 2: bottle of holy water with the cap off, and it's
Speaker 2: spilled all over the place. What so, either somebody is
Speaker 2: rooting around their dressers or and I'm more inclined to
Speaker 2: believe this option, we got ourselves a polter guys. So
Speaker 2: over forty five minutes, there are bottle caps flying off
Speaker 2: of all kinds of bottles in the house, no, NonStop,
Speaker 2: and we're talking everything. Over the course of five weeks,
Speaker 2: there are if it's a bottle, say goodbye to your top, bleach, paint, thinner, perfume, wine, medications, shampoo.
Speaker 2: The house is wet, and I imagine it's smelling funky,
Speaker 2: and so there's constantly things flying around the house. Figurines
Speaker 2: are flying and colliding and smashing in the air. It
Speaker 2: starts to get into bigger stuff, like it becomes furniture lambs. No, yes,
Speaker 2: and then allegedly a bookcase was turned upside down.
Speaker 3: That is crazy, what are you saying?
Speaker 2: So the last occurrence took place on March tenth, So
Speaker 2: we started out, when was this February tomorrow? So it's
Speaker 2: like a quick it was five weeks, I guess, so
Speaker 2: on four different occasions. It was so violent that the
Speaker 2: family was like, fuck this, we are out of here.
Speaker 2: So they left and stayed with friends for a total
Speaker 2: of six nights and it's weird because it's nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 2: It's like, who do you call exactly? I just think
Speaker 2: when every single bottle is getting popped off, which pas.
Speaker 2: Another name for this case is called the popper, the popper,
Speaker 2: the popper Poulter guys, or the popper the pauper incidents,
Speaker 2: to be confused with a few popper incidents I had
Speaker 2: in my twenties, which is very different.
Speaker 3: This is perfect for pride. Yeah, copper poultry guys.
Speaker 2: So they called the police and James Senior assumed that
Speaker 2: it was little James Junior playing tricks. But one day
Speaker 2: he said in an actual formal police statement that he,
Speaker 2: James Senior, was brushing his teeth and he saw a
Speaker 2: medicine bottle and a shampoo bottle moving in the bathroom
Speaker 2: at the same time, and there was no James Junior
Speaker 2: around doing it. So he was like, what is going
Speaker 2: on here? So this cop comes by, does an inspection
Speaker 2: of the house and with the family here. While he
Speaker 2: was there with the family, he heard noises in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: He went in there, there was a bottle of shampoo
Speaker 2: that had fallen. There was a bottle of Chao pep
Speaker 2: tape that was in the sink, and so a guy
Speaker 2: named Detective Joseph Tauzzy was assigned to do full time
Speaker 2: duty in the house.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy to think that in nineteen fifty eight
Speaker 1: they were just like, your job is to just sit
Speaker 1: here and let us know if bottles pop exactly. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff the cops can handle. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't give anything more than that. I sit here, make
Speaker 1: a log if a bottle pops exactly.
Speaker 2: So they have a cousin named Marie Martha and Mermura Mirtha,
Speaker 2: not Martha, not Mirtha Stewart, it's Marie Mirthaea. Their cousin,
Speaker 2: Marie Martha. She witnessed a figurine fly rapidly in the air,
Speaker 2: and a cap on a bottle of ink popped off loudly,
Speaker 2: and it threw ink all over the damn place. Now
Speaker 2: that is that's too much.
Speaker 3: That is truly a messy bitch, that Poulter guys.
Speaker 2: But I imagine it's the fifties where they would have
Speaker 2: those plastic covers on the couches and stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe, well you could only hope, I mean having two
Speaker 1: little children maybe, But I mean think about the rug.
Speaker 3: You know there's carpet honey.
Speaker 2: Oh it was of course carpeted. I mean, combine so annoying,
Speaker 2: these damn Poulter guys. So they ended up having journalists
Speaker 2: come from Newsweek, Time Magazine, New York Times, the London
Speaker 2: Evening News. They all came by, which girl, I wish
Speaker 2: I could get this kind of press. I'll pop some bottles,
Speaker 2: I'll pop bottles.
Speaker 3: Did anything happened for them? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Like, I guess what I'm interested is like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is like a five week moment. Is this happening
Speaker 1: all the time, because it's like one of those things
Speaker 1: where you know, if this was a movie, it would happen.
Speaker 1: You would have someone come over and nothing would happen exactly,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and then everyone would be
Speaker 1: like you crazy, Well, we're crazy, Lucy.
Speaker 2: That's the part we're getting too. So a journalist from
Speaker 2: Newsweek stayed the night and he witnessed a dresser fall
Speaker 2: over and a lamp being overturned. There was a physicist
Speaker 2: that came by and witnessed a bookcase being turned upside down.
Speaker 2: What The Parapsychology Laboratory of Duke University sent some guys
Speaker 2: over and they saw some shit.
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, so this is not a secret ghost. This
Speaker 3: is a ghost. It's like letting everyone know I'm here,
Speaker 3: this is my house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Ghost is like real, this is what I've trained for.
Speaker 2: We got the press here, I'm gonna give them a show.
Speaker 2: I want there to be a Zelda Rubinstein movie about this.
Speaker 2: So they ruled out a bunch of possibilities. These guys
Speaker 2: from the Parapsychology Laboratory of Duke University. They looked into
Speaker 2: vibrations that could have been from planes shaken the house,
Speaker 2: or plumbing, chimney winds coming through high frequency radio waves,
Speaker 2: problems with air circulation, like all the logical explanations, it
Speaker 2: would seem they couldn't find any of those reasons. They
Speaker 2: conceded that many of the events could have been from
Speaker 2: those naughty little kids playing jokes, because the kids were
Speaker 2: present for most of the stuff that went down. However,
Speaker 2: there are many events where the kids were confirmed to
Speaker 2: not be present, and they grilled them hardcore with the detectives,
Speaker 2: and I guess the dad was really thinking it was
Speaker 2: a little boy, and they got him to the point
Speaker 2: of tears where.
Speaker 3: He was like, I haddet it.
Speaker 1: It was as he's.
Speaker 2: Got like ink all over his hands. But they found
Speaker 2: no evidence that the kids were secretly magicians, which was
Speaker 2: something that they thought, and yeah, I mean that would
Speaker 2: be some amazing magic, honestly. But they did test to
Speaker 2: see if someone could create some kind of gas pressure
Speaker 2: in the bottles that would make this That's.
Speaker 1: What I was thinking, Like, if you were a magician,
Speaker 1: that would be the work of like shaking a bottle
Speaker 1: and then loosely putting the cat back on right right
Speaker 1: in soda, But like, I don't know, you do like
Speaker 1: bleach and ink?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's like you can probably do like a baking soda.
Speaker 1: Through volcanoes, yes, well Science Fair volcanoes everywhere totally.
Speaker 2: Oh and then it smells awful. But they they tried
Speaker 2: different things like that, and they saw that it would
Speaker 2: either burst the container completely or it would seep out
Speaker 2: from under the lid whatever the gas that they put
Speaker 2: in it. But I don't know, maybe the kid had
Speaker 2: a secret recipe that they didn't try. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I doubt I doubt little Jimmy Junior in Seaford, Long
Speaker 1: Island had some secret skill. No one knew about.
Speaker 3: I just have a feeling they were regular.
Speaker 2: Well okay, so they also wondered why the family would
Speaker 2: have called the police if they were making it up.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Worse, absolutely, they liked the theory these parapsychologists.
Speaker 2: They liked the theory that it was the current spontaneous
Speaker 2: psychokinesis from James Junior, which basically that's that's some carry shit,
Speaker 2: you know, which you know, they from other cases that
Speaker 2: that the parapsychologists people were aware aware of or they
Speaker 2: had investigated themselves. They saw that a lot of times
Speaker 2: these kinds of cases are centered around one person. And
Speaker 2: since when he was around, ship was always going down,
Speaker 2: could it be he's moving things around with his brain
Speaker 2: whether he realizes it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's gonna be like part of his puberty,
Speaker 3: is what we're saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So they did refuse a lie detector test
Speaker 2: the whole family, but they said it was because they
Speaker 2: didn't want to subject the kids.
Speaker 1: To to that.
Speaker 2: So okay, okay, that's pretty much the conclusion of that story.
Speaker 1: But wait, no, the wait what happened? So what like
Speaker 1: March tenth, like March eleventh, there was just nothing else.
Speaker 1: They were just done.
Speaker 3: It just stopped.
Speaker 2: It's like the Sopranos final season just goes to black and.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I'm sorry, do we have any information
Speaker 1: who lived in this house before them? I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're telling me there's a damn department at Duke University,
Speaker 1: can somebody get out of microfiche, give me some research
Speaker 1: who was living in the Seaford Herman House before?
Speaker 2: But they were living there already when it started. It's
Speaker 2: not like they moved in and it started. It was
Speaker 2: just like a rapid It was like a flash mob
Speaker 2: or like remember those. It was like something that just
Speaker 2: popped up, improv everywhere whatever exactly.
Speaker 3: So okay, it popped up and it popped off.
Speaker 1: The popper popped off. I believe that somebody lived there before,
Speaker 1: and I would here's my theory on what the pultry goes.
Speaker 3: Okay, because it's popping.
Speaker 1: Bottles, it's creating messes, it's doing a lot of household things.
Speaker 1: This was the ghost of the woman who was like
Speaker 1: the lady of the house before, uh huh. And she
Speaker 1: did not like the way Lucille kept her house. She
Speaker 1: did not like the way Big Lucille was running her home. Okay,
Speaker 1: and she said, I'm gonna cause problems here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make her clean because she doesn't seem to want to.
Speaker 1: I am going to like ruin what she thinks is
Speaker 1: pretty by like throwing ink everywhere. See, this is what
Speaker 1: be getting Mealin.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm calling you now.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, thank you, Rosalind I need details on the
Speaker 1: previous occupants of the Seaford House. Oh God.
Speaker 2: I hate when people ask me questions after I already
Speaker 2: did my research.
Speaker 3: You don't have to tell me. I don't know myself.
Speaker 2: If you're taking facts from me, that's a you problem. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is just what I've read online. I didn't get
Speaker 2: to that part, but I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: I'm research.
Speaker 2: I believe in like Telecanesi's psychic cansis. I believe in
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, people being able to move things
Speaker 2: with them. I think that something like that can just happen.
Speaker 2: A lot of times poultrygeist cases are like this. They
Speaker 2: just kind of manifest and then they head on out
Speaker 2: to the next town.
Speaker 1: It's interesting you say you believe in people moving things
Speaker 1: in their minds. I don't know if I believe in
Speaker 1: like a living person having a power. But I very
Speaker 1: much believe that like a spirit can linger and ruin things.
Speaker 1: I mean, quite frankly, I feel like I am already
Speaker 1: haunting my own home.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I just like walk around barefoot in a pajama dress,
Speaker 1: just sobbing softly, and he's like, is that you?
Speaker 3: It's that creature.
Speaker 1: So I already feel like I can't like when I
Speaker 1: am dead, I will continue to engage in that behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well, you don't believe that people can
Speaker 2: move things in their mind, but with your mind you
Speaker 2: have moved me many times as I've heard you do.
Speaker 2: You're brilliant comedy.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was a good way.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was like a pickup line that was weird. Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to I'll tell you about a phenomenal that
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with. Okay, please eBay Haunted Dolls. What There
Speaker 2: is a world that I am very much. I'm very
Speaker 2: involved in the community, and by that I mean I
Speaker 2: go to eBay, I screenshot pictures and I laugh about it.
Speaker 2: There are Annabell's inspiring Annabell's. The goal is to one
Speaker 2: day become Annabelle. Annabelle is like the Kim Kardashian of
Speaker 2: the Haunted Doll World. Okay, these are all micro influencers.
Speaker 2: I'm giving them a platform. Let's see what they do
Speaker 2: with it. But this is my reality show, try and
Speaker 2: search for the next Annabelle. Okay, So today we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about Sonya. Kyle, can you show us Sonya? Now
Speaker 2: here's son Im Sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: You got Sony's already so scary. You have to describe it.
Speaker 1: I can't even look now.
Speaker 2: You describe Sonya. Well, okay, she's got a pearl necklace on.
Speaker 2: She's got some lace. Lace is very popular in the
Speaker 2: Haunted Doll World.
Speaker 1: Absolutely you need lace. Lace is almost like the textile
Speaker 1: version of a dream catcher. Okay, that is why lace
Speaker 1: is popular. It's catching your thoughts, it's catching your imagery.
Speaker 1: Now let me tell you now I'm looking through my fingers.
Speaker 2: You guys.
Speaker 3: Very upsetting to me, and part of what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Sonya she is she has redish hair, almost auburn,
Speaker 1: let's say, not a fiery red, right. Her eyes are
Speaker 1: closed and she has a little smile, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what's scaring me. What's scaring me is also because
Speaker 1: it's like her smile, it's like a little bit it's
Speaker 1: a tight smile, so it's like a full cheek. She
Speaker 1: almost looks like she looks like she could be forty seven,
Speaker 1: but she is meant to be a child doll, right.
Speaker 2: And it can be kind of difficult sometimes with dolls.
Speaker 2: I never really thought much about dolls, but ever since
Speaker 2: I became obsessed with looking at pictures of dolls on eBay,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of what I call grandma babies, where
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a grandma or if it's
Speaker 2: a baby. It's a very fine line.
Speaker 1: She has very light light eyebrows, which you know, also
Speaker 1: is off putting to me. And then it looks like
Speaker 1: she has almost a Harry Potter scar on her forehead.
Speaker 2: Scar. It's kind of Valerie cherish, I feel. From the comeback,
Speaker 2: I'm going to read to you about Sonya because the
Speaker 2: best part of these is that they come with pretty
Speaker 2: detailed backstories, so that you know before you buy Sonia,
Speaker 2: which you're getting yourself into. So it says with asterisks
Speaker 2: at the top, it says, this is a repost because
Speaker 2: the person who won the first bid never paid, so
Speaker 2: please don't flip out on me. Here it says I
Speaker 2: have been calling the spirit Sonya. However, she isn't very communicative.
Speaker 2: I've had difficulty getting her to communicate, even with my
Speaker 2: pendulum or with tarot cards. However, she does sometimes answer questions.
Speaker 2: She also often flickers my lights. I discovered that she
Speaker 2: also has taste in TV shows. She didn't she didn't
Speaker 2: like Frasier, which I had played in the background while
Speaker 2: I cleaned. She turned the TV off over and over
Speaker 2: until I gave up and started watching Parks and Recreation instead.
Speaker 3: Apparently that was okay.
Speaker 2: Because of her lack of communication, I don't know much
Speaker 2: about her background. I get the sense that she isn't human. However,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't quote me on that. Sometimes I get weird
Speaker 2: picture flashes of her being mistreated in her current form
Speaker 2: and vessel. However, I'm not sure if those are real
Speaker 2: or if she is confused. If she is confused what
Speaker 2: the actual vessel is about thirteen inches tall and her
Speaker 2: arms are about ten inches. She has some marks and
Speaker 2: a stain on her skin and dress. I don't like
Speaker 2: it being called skin.
Speaker 1: It's not scin though it's not skinned.
Speaker 2: Her body is soft, but the rest is porcelain. She
Speaker 2: is in a permanent kneeling position. Her hair is a
Speaker 2: little frizzy and might benefit from someone who can fix it. Also,
Speaker 2: her hair seems to be coming unglued. If you're looking
Speaker 2: to solve a mystery or for a unique spirit, I
Speaker 2: recommend checking out Sonya.
Speaker 3: What Okay, I have a question about this entire thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, who is the.
Speaker 3: Who is the buyer for this? You're saying you look
Speaker 3: or wherever?
Speaker 1: But like if you believe spirit's are real, Like I
Speaker 1: get that part, but like, why would you want one
Speaker 1: in the house?
Speaker 2: So I'm saying honestly, sometimes these sound like a roommate
Speaker 2: if you live alone, particularly like when I was thinking
Speaker 2: during Lockdown, if you're alone and you're like, I would
Speaker 2: just wish I could watch TV with somebody, you know,
Speaker 2: I wish that I could.
Speaker 3: You would just like put Sonia next to you and
Speaker 3: hopes she didn't change the channel.
Speaker 2: Yes, don't put on Fraser because I mean, fuck Kelsey
Speaker 2: Grammar exactly. Yeah, we don't want Fraser. So Sonya's got good.
Speaker 2: It does say she has taste in TV.
Speaker 3: Shows, Yeah, taste. Yeah, But I.
Speaker 2: Imagine maybe this person bought her during the pandemic and
Speaker 2: they're like, she's not talking. Okay, I thought I was
Speaker 2: gonna get a friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I bring all this up because I was
Speaker 2: wondering if I was to buy you, Sonya, would house.
Speaker 1: Son absolutely not. You would be dead to me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why, because.
Speaker 2: When Sonya's sister, if I'm dead, I'm.
Speaker 3: Being haunted by you. I've been haunted by you.
Speaker 1: My problem is. Okay, so a very formative film for
Speaker 1: me as a child, which is the problem. I saw
Speaker 1: at age six in the theaters Child's Play, and that
Speaker 1: terrified me, like to the point now you know there's
Speaker 1: like a TV show whatever, like I can't look at.
Speaker 3: Chucky and without like it's just like it is scary
Speaker 3: to me. And my cousin's when I was growing up,
Speaker 3: I had a doll with me and my so me
Speaker 3: and my cousin.
Speaker 1: She has three older brothers, but she and I were
Speaker 1: six months apart, so we were always friends and we
Speaker 1: would like the adults would like get us the same stuff.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 1: So we both have these dolls named Susie Scribbles. You
Speaker 1: would put a cassette tape in Susie, and she would
Speaker 1: like say stuff and she would like, you know right,
Speaker 1: you know a little like automated fing or whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh that's creepy, that has some potential to be some Well, okay.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what happened.
Speaker 1: So one day my cousin hurled your brothers, who you know,
Speaker 1: loved to be mean. They were like, Naomi, come here,
Speaker 1: Susie has something to tell you, and they turned her on,
Speaker 1: and I guess again, she used she required cassette tapes,
Speaker 1: so they had obviously done something because they turned her on,
Speaker 1: and she goes, Hi, Naomi, I'm Susie Chucky's sister, wanna play?
Speaker 1: I screamed, cried, locked myself in the bathroom until an
Speaker 1: adult came home. I was convinced she was gonna kill
Speaker 1: me and come for me.
Speaker 2: But wait, and even they programmed her to say that, yeah.
Speaker 1: They pretty much say recorded over a cassette okay, and
Speaker 1: then put that tape in the doll.
Speaker 2: Oh that's mean.
Speaker 1: It was terrifying. And so for me, like I am
Speaker 1: scared of dolls, I do think dolls are scary and creepy.
Speaker 1: Like even even Sonya, who you showed me like her
Speaker 1: eyes were closed like just their expressions and even with
Speaker 1: closed eyes, because normally for me what freaks me out.
Speaker 3: Is the bright the wide open eyes. It's like what
Speaker 3: are you staring at?
Speaker 1: But just like there's something about them, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're almost always Caucasian, which can never be trusted, and
Speaker 1: they're just like so scary.
Speaker 3: So the idea of like, oh, just like thinking of
Speaker 3: a doll in the way it's like.
Speaker 1: Looking at you, like if you have a Sonya and
Speaker 1: like you put Sonya what like on a mantle on
Speaker 1: a shelf. She's you gotta watch your back, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You gotta watch your back if you got
Speaker 1: one of these damn dolls in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well you make a good argument. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna buy it for you. I just wanted to be,
Speaker 2: you know, a gracious host.
Speaker 1: Well do you have one?
Speaker 3: Do you have a hunted doll?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: God, Naomi, who do you think I am? I would
Speaker 2: never have something like that house. Hey, you want to
Speaker 2: hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so.
Speaker 2: It's far evp or ev pase have you ever heard
Speaker 2: the term evp?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: What's it meaning?
Speaker 2: Well, those ghost shows that you don't watch they do
Speaker 2: a thing called it's well, it's a thing called EVP,
Speaker 2: which is electronic voice phenomena. So it's basically anytime a
Speaker 2: ghost is recorded speaking.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Now, my other favorite place besides eBay is YouTube, and
Speaker 2: on YouTube you will find thousands of people's EVPs and
Speaker 2: I found two of them for us today. And I
Speaker 2: would love if you could tell me what you think
Speaker 2: this ghost is saying, and then we'll guess, and I'll
Speaker 2: give you some options that are what the actual ghost
Speaker 2: hunter believes they got it. Okay, so this was posted
Speaker 2: by Anthony Anderson. What from Blackish?
Speaker 1: I know? Is it the actor? No?
Speaker 2: Actually, I have found this guy's EVPs before. He has
Speaker 2: some good ones. I as far as I know, it
Speaker 2: is not the same Anthy, but don't quote me on it.
Speaker 2: It could be. It was recorded in his bedroom while
Speaker 2: he was sleeping, and this was in twenty eleven, so
Speaker 2: there is a little bit of twenty eleven quality here
Speaker 2: when it comes to the audio capture. But tell me
Speaker 2: what you hear this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: What? What?
Speaker 2: Let me play it again?
Speaker 1: That is not a ghost's police.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have any guesses? Can you give me
Speaker 2: a guess of any sort, I'll play it one more time.
Speaker 1: Okay. So at best, what I think is this is
Speaker 1: the ghost of a Kathy cartoon, because all I'm hearing is.
Speaker 2: Act the ghost of a Kathy cartoon.
Speaker 1: That's all I can hear.
Speaker 2: No, I'm picturing the Kathy cartoon haunting Anthony Anderson, comedic actor. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: Anthony Anderson did not think that it was the ghost
Speaker 2: of a Kathy cartoon, saying act Okay, one of these
Speaker 2: is the correct answer. Is it A I want you
Speaker 2: bad boo? Is it B I'm in a bad mood?
Speaker 2: Is it C I need the bathroom? Or is it
Speaker 2: D just like someone doing a real bad beatboxing attempt,
Speaker 2: Like Okay, let me play it again. It's one of
Speaker 2: those options.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's bad beatboxing.
Speaker 2: It really does sound like beatboxing, Like it sounds like
Speaker 2: the next part would have been that.
Speaker 1: Like that that move.
Speaker 2: You know, they believe it's I'm in a bad mood.
Speaker 2: I'm in a bad mood.
Speaker 1: Wow? See this?
Speaker 3: Why can't watch these programs?
Speaker 1: Because that don't sound like nothing to me?
Speaker 2: Rush, Okay, well you're gonna change your mind about this
Speaker 2: stuff with this next one.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'm ready, my heart is still open.
Speaker 2: This was posted by Gargoyle six y six one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah boy g sixty
Speaker 1: six one, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Gargoyle sixty six one recorded this at the Silver Queen
Speaker 2: Mine Road. Oh, this one's very different. There's no beats
Speaker 2: to this one. This is like a whisper. Okay, that's scary.
Speaker 1: Ah wow, An, I guess there. I'm hearing like no one,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, that's not it. It's like more of
Speaker 1: a phrase. But I'm like hearing like no, what or something.
Speaker 2: Well, let me give you some options, Okay, give me
Speaker 2: is it a wait? What is it? B? Give me water?
Speaker 2: Is it C? I don't want to?
Speaker 1: Or D.
Speaker 2: Barbara Walters, Okay.
Speaker 3: Here it is, Okay, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: It is I. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want.
Speaker 1: Scary.
Speaker 2: Right, let me pay it again.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was scary. All right, Let's do one last
Speaker 2: thing here. I'm just gonna say a bunch of paranormal,
Speaker 2: unexplainable things, and I just want to hear if you
Speaker 2: have any thoughts on it, if you have any experiences
Speaker 2: locked away deep in your brain. This is my favorite
Speaker 2: one to ask people about. I think Bigfoot where.
Speaker 3: Yet I do not think. Look, I grew up in
Speaker 3: the city, so I don't know nothing about no creatures.
Speaker 2: Right, So you grew up in literally New York City.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so you know. The only bigfoot I know
Speaker 1: is the person stomping upstairs, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the neighbor upstairs the apartment. Okay, that's as far as
Speaker 1: I know a big I don't think bigfoot is real.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 1: There are too many actual animals that just like can
Speaker 1: stand upright, And I think people were like, look, and
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is someone who liked the movie
Speaker 1: Harry and the Henderson's. Okay, when I was a child,
Speaker 1: I loved it. I thought Wow, I was like, stay
Speaker 1: be part of the family.
Speaker 3: This is beautiful.
Speaker 1: So it's not like I am against a bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: just really like, what proof do we have that there's
Speaker 1: a bigfoot? That could just be somebody with like a
Speaker 1: Lebron's size shoe walking in the woods and then you
Speaker 1: see a big brown bear.
Speaker 2: But what about the shaky videos that people take.
Speaker 1: You mean, the blurry videos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's proof.
Speaker 1: That's proof that something was in the shadows and if
Speaker 1: it correct me, if I'm wrong, isn't the forest all shadows?
Speaker 1: The wilderness is just all shadows, trees and shadows.
Speaker 2: I don't go in the woods, so I have no clue.
Speaker 1: Would never, would never.
Speaker 2: Woods to me are scarier than anything else. Maybe the ocean,
Speaker 2: but oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I was gonna say that.
Speaker 3: I was like, woods, you know, and you know what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: It's to me, it is I'm afraid of a limitless expanse,
Speaker 1: the idea that if you look out in any direction
Speaker 1: you can't see anything but that, right, Like when you're
Speaker 1: on the water and you look out and you're like,
Speaker 1: where is the land?
Speaker 3: Where is you're right?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: And then also when you're in the forest and you turn,
Speaker 1: you like look around and it's like all I see
Speaker 1: is tree, Right. That's terrifying to me because it's almost
Speaker 1: like you're like not on the planet, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you're almost in like a Bermuda triangle
Speaker 1: type situation.
Speaker 2: Oh that's scary, Naomi wait growing up in New York.
Speaker 2: I was recently just talking to somebody on this podcast
Speaker 2: about this that New York it's so weird because it
Speaker 2: must be so haunted but like I on this show
Speaker 2: have not here heard a ton of ghost stories in
Speaker 2: New York City? Do you Did you ever know of
Speaker 2: any growing up or anything like that?
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: It was like don't don't go in that building, there's
Speaker 2: a ghost.
Speaker 1: No, there was like nothing like that. I think because
Speaker 1: New York is so densely populated. My theory is that
Speaker 1: it's really easy to be a ghost in New York
Speaker 1: and just like go unattended, like no one will notice you, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like you may think you hear something, but
Speaker 1: then very quickly you're like, oh, the radiator is leaking, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's so much going on that I think if
Speaker 1: you're a ghost, you could just ghost it up and
Speaker 1: you're never going to be exercised.
Speaker 3: You're never gonna be saged, like people don't know your things.
Speaker 2: When people are just like in their own world, like
Speaker 2: they're they might not be looking around at every single
Speaker 2: human that they see because there's just so many humans.
Speaker 1: Because think about the real when I think of ghosts,
Speaker 1: you know, a big thing I think about like New
Speaker 1: England and you know these movies like the Haunting of
Speaker 1: Hill House, these are large, empty kind of like either
Speaker 1: old empty houses or just like tiny towns, or like
Speaker 1: the houses you know the nearest neighbor is a half
Speaker 1: mile away or whatever, the kind of settings where it's
Speaker 1: like easy to pick up on noise and be like
Speaker 1: something is a miss. You know.
Speaker 2: It's which reminds me. Do you know do you know
Speaker 2: about the Conjuring the Conz Did you ever see the movie?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Too scary?
Speaker 2: It is scary. So this house, it's a real house.
Speaker 2: It's a real case. And it just sold for one
Speaker 2: point five million dollars why And it's in Rhode Island,
Speaker 2: just sort of in the middle of nowhere. It's surrounded
Speaker 2: by trees, of course, and it was sold in twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen for four thousand or sorry, four hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: What what are you telling me? How did people just
Speaker 3: because of the movie?
Speaker 2: Well, no, because the movie was already out when they
Speaker 2: bought it for four hundred and thirty nine It the
Speaker 2: people that moved in were ghost hunters, and they started
Speaker 2: charging people to come in and stay overnight, and they
Speaker 2: turned it into a business. And so when they put
Speaker 2: it on the market, there was actually a bidding war
Speaker 2: and it ended up going to somebody for one point
Speaker 2: five million dollars. That's insane, and the woman that bought
Speaker 2: it is thinking about turning it into like an event venue.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, would you ever consider staying in
Speaker 2: the world's most haunted house doing an event there?
Speaker 1: For some A wedding, Well, I was gonna say, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what about a wedding. I was like a new wedding location, wedding,
Speaker 1: let's see you're getting married and a haunted.
Speaker 2: Yes, what about past lives?
Speaker 1: Hmm, this is a tricky one. This is a tricky one.
Speaker 1: I think when you go, you go, You're gone.
Speaker 2: That's it, and that's it. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think you're coming back.
Speaker 2: What do you think a ghost is?
Speaker 1: A ghost is somebody who died and then was just
Speaker 1: like either I like causing trouble, I'm bored, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like just like on the spiritual plane
Speaker 1: and said I want to stay here. A ghost isn't
Speaker 1: like somebody. It's not like a return. It's like somebody
Speaker 1: who was like I don't feel like leaving right, It's.
Speaker 2: Like you got to go. I don't want It's like
Speaker 2: those ladies that get dragged off of airplanes for not wearing.
Speaker 1: Ma'am.
Speaker 2: We need you to go. I have my rights. I
Speaker 2: own this house, ma'am.
Speaker 3: I pay for this house.
Speaker 1: This is my I pay for it.
Speaker 2: We need you out, well, Naomi, it's time to wrap
Speaker 2: it up. However, Naomi, thank you for doing those.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on. I hope
Speaker 1: I wasn't too skeptical.
Speaker 2: Now it's for yours. I think you're great. Tell people
Speaker 2: where they can find you, the pod, the special, all
Speaker 2: of it, the TV show.
Speaker 1: Come visit me. You can see my half hour special
Speaker 1: on Netflix, season three of the Stand Ups.
Speaker 3: That is right there on Netflix.
Speaker 1: You can listen to my podcast Couples Therapy, which Roz
Speaker 1: has been on, as well as my podcast I Love
Speaker 1: a Lifetime Movie and that is a podcast where yes
Speaker 1: we recap Lifetime movies.
Speaker 3: All right, So it is what it is and you
Speaker 3: better just get on board. And also June seventh.
Speaker 1: Starting June seventh, you'll be able to see a new
Speaker 1: five minute that I did on Netflix on That's My
Speaker 1: Time with David Letterman.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god, Naomi, and you made time for me.
Speaker 2: I'm honored.
Speaker 3: No better way to spend today.
Speaker 2: Thank you to the lovely, hilarious Naomi Eggparagan. Make sure
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