WEBVTT - Kyrie Irving Trade Fallout With Reed Wallach

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<v Speaker 1>You're tuned into Heat Check with Trista.

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<v Speaker 2>Click on this episode of the Heat Check. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a special bonus episode featuring Reed Wallick, Brooklyn Nets insider.

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<v Speaker 3>He is here to break down all of the blowback

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<v Speaker 3>ramifications of the Kyrie Urbing trade to the Dallas Mavericks.

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<v Speaker 3>Very insightful interview. It was recorded on a recent episode

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<v Speaker 3>of bit MGM the night right after the trade went down.

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<v Speaker 3>I was joined by my co hosts Ron Horbat and

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Ashu. Kyrie basically froze the league, So let's get

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<v Speaker 3>into this discussion quick and drop that generic ass beat.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, we had to start off the interview by

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<v Speaker 3>asking Reid Hollie was feeling now that Kyrie was out

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<v Speaker 3>of Brooklyn, and he gave a very thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 4>Answer, Yeah, maybe it's the kopium I'm taking, But I

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<v Speaker 4>think I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that, uh, you know, we're gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think today showed that the Nets are still

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<v Speaker 4>going to be aggressive at the trade deadline. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>at this time afraid that Kevin Durant is going to

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<v Speaker 4>request out by the trade deadline. So I think the

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<v Speaker 4>Nets have bought themselves some times here getting Dory and

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<v Speaker 4>Finney Smith and Spencer Dimwiddie. You're seeing the idea of

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<v Speaker 4>what the Nets want to do here. They want to

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<v Speaker 4>get bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Put switchable wings wings sized players around Durant. That could

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<v Speaker 4>still be a contender. And you know, I thought for

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<v Speaker 4>a minute there when the trade wasn't a finalized talking

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<v Speaker 4>to Toronto, maybe it's Pascal Siakam the Nets are targeting

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<v Speaker 4>and that they're trying to bring into Brooklyn, which to

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<v Speaker 4>me that is that's the home run, that's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a number two level that in my opinions, probably

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<v Speaker 4>more of a championship level mover than Kyrie Irving was.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, the Nets are thinking big. Still, it

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<v Speaker 4>seems like it didn't get done. You know, it's obvious

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<v Speaker 4>hill all to playing because I got a little excited

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<v Speaker 4>this afternoon, but still a few days before the deadline Thursday,

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll see where this. We'll see where Dust settles

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<v Speaker 4>by Thursday. But ultimately Kyrie great player, but he had

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<v Speaker 4>to go. I mean, you know, this was just the

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<v Speaker 4>end time that he sabotaged a season with the Nets,

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<v Speaker 4>and ultimately, you know, it sucks by it didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know have fun on Dallas.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel like read that you look at some

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<v Speaker 3>of the other players here that requested out right, you

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<v Speaker 3>know you or or got traded. You have Rudy Gobert

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<v Speaker 3>and all of the picks that you know it took

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<v Speaker 3>to get him, you know, Donovan Mitchell all the picks

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<v Speaker 3>that it took to get him, even do Jonte Murray,

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<v Speaker 3>who's not even close to the same caliber of player

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<v Speaker 3>as Kyrie Irving, all the picks that it takes to

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<v Speaker 3>get him, and some of the young players attached that

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<v Speaker 3>make that deal get done right when you're like looking

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<v Speaker 3>at it from this a higher level versus just we

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<v Speaker 3>needed to unload Kyrie versus you know what maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>could have gotten with a player of caliber of Kyrie's caliber? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you how do you feel about just the

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<v Speaker 3>Nets front office right now and the moves that they're making.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for the Kyrie situation, all parties deserve blame

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<v Speaker 4>for how that was handled. How you want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>slice up the pie is up to you and for

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<v Speaker 4>your interpretation. But to me, everyone was saying that no

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<v Speaker 4>one's gonna trade for Kyrie, no one's gonna touch Kyrie.

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<v Speaker 4>He's radioactive, and it's gonna be the Lakers for Russen

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<v Speaker 4>two first or one first or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's made up pretty goodyear. They got two quality

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<v Speaker 1>players Dorrian Phinney Smith regard as.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the best wing defenders in the league in

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<v Speaker 4>my eyes, Claxton Durant and Dorian Finney Smith, that's the

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<v Speaker 4>best front court defense you have in the NBA right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So they got that. Got Spencer Dimwoodie, who has played

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<v Speaker 1>in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 4>We're familiar with him, you know, personality off putting to some,

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<v Speaker 4>but guys a bucket getter, shooting over forty percent from

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<v Speaker 4>three last year and was unbelievable in the playoffs last

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<v Speaker 4>year in Dallas. So the Nets, you know, you lose

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<v Speaker 4>an unreal talent and Kyrie Irving, but let's think about

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<v Speaker 4>what they can be. I still think they're a playoff team,

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<v Speaker 4>probably second round ceiling. You know, if Kevin Durant is

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<v Speaker 4>going to buy into this. But I think the net

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<v Speaker 4>that's made out pretty well for a team that apparently

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<v Speaker 4>had no options.

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<v Speaker 1>With Kyrie, you know, it seemed like he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to hold out. I think they did alright here. They

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<v Speaker 1>got two quality players back end this twenty twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine first round pick. I don't even know. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>kid's probably like thirteen years old. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>worth the pick.

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<v Speaker 4>But Luca Doncic might not be on the Mavericks when

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<v Speaker 4>that pick comes through. I think that's a you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's speculative, but if that pick is going to hit

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<v Speaker 4>the market, the Nets in we're flush with assets and

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<v Speaker 4>that Dallas unprotected. First, looking at where this situation go

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<v Speaker 4>with Dallas, they made a very big gamble on Kyrie Irving.

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<v Speaker 4>If they're not going to commit a full max contract

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<v Speaker 4>to him, you know, maybe he leaves for a discount

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<v Speaker 4>with the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 1>Then what does Dallas do?

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<v Speaker 4>They just blew through all their assets again and you're

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<v Speaker 4>left with Luca alone. So maybe Luca's out on that

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<v Speaker 4>trade chip again, very impactful for the Nets. So there's

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<v Speaker 4>a vision here where I could see the Nets still

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<v Speaker 4>being a contender this year. But we gott to see

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<v Speaker 4>where the dust settles come Thursday. But right now I

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<v Speaker 4>could see why, like there's pause, but I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>still some dominoes.

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<v Speaker 3>To fall with Kyrie no on the MAVs. I was

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<v Speaker 3>interested to hear Read's opinion on what Dallas's ceiling is

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<v Speaker 3>now with Luca and Kyrie. Hint uh, he's not too

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<v Speaker 3>excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the reaction to Dallas in the futures market

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<v Speaker 4>is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's out of control. Just you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>see where this is going to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen, They're all they're gonna be a really fun watch

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<v Speaker 4>because there's not gonna be any stops whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, Lucas amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Kyrie is an unbelievable talent, but you know he's still undersized.

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<v Speaker 4>The Mavericks just gave up their best defensive player. They

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<v Speaker 4>gave up another. You know, you upgrade Dimwitty to Kyrie.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great upgrade. But again, your defense is gonna

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<v Speaker 4>fall off a cliff here. So when it comes to

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<v Speaker 4>the playoffs, I'm not going to get any stops, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really see them as a contender in the West.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it is wide open, so maybe a few

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<v Speaker 4>injuries break their way and stuff, But I'm skeptical that

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<v Speaker 4>this is going to work out. I think that this

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<v Speaker 4>is a real gamble by Dallas, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>it's gonna pay off for them. I could you could

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<v Speaker 4>feel the desperation, you know, I know the Nets are

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<v Speaker 4>the desperate ones that get rid of Kyrie. But Dallas,

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<v Speaker 4>I think I won't say Fleet or anything like that

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<v Speaker 4>because I could see what they were trying to do.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you like Kyrie Walk, you don't have max cats.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, they only have like.

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<v Speaker 4>In the twenties that it's a big, big gamble by

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<v Speaker 4>the Mavericks to make this move, and I really don't

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<v Speaker 4>think they raise their sealing all that much anyway. Kyrie Irv,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I watched it in Brooklyn. He he's not

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<v Speaker 4>His talent doesn't equal what he is as a foundational

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<v Speaker 4>player when you're building a roster, like we were just

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<v Speaker 4>talking about Pascal Siakam, when you're building a championship roster,

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<v Speaker 4>Pascal Siakam is more of a foundational piece than Kyrie Irving.

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<v Speaker 4>Kyrie Irving is a luxury add on who's a devastating

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<v Speaker 4>scorer that could take you over the top, but he's

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<v Speaker 4>not someone you want to build your roster out.

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<v Speaker 3>Had to ask Greed as well with his final thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>on the Big Three era in Brooklyn. Now is given

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<v Speaker 3>that two thirds of him are actually on.

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<v Speaker 4>Other teams, traumatizing is probably the word I would use.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been very stressful, and you know, obviously, listen, they

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<v Speaker 4>were so close. James Harden doesn't pull a handy in

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<v Speaker 4>Game one of the Bucks series, Kevin Durant's shoe size

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<v Speaker 4>as half as I mean, I could go through all

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<v Speaker 4>the what ifs with this team, and it's obviously crushing

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<v Speaker 4>as like such a big Nets fan, one of the

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<v Speaker 4>few out there that really wanted to see this team thrive,

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<v Speaker 4>and I really thought we were gonna get there to

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<v Speaker 4>watch just like Murphy's Law, like what could go wrong

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<v Speaker 4>did go wrong? Like literally at every turn there was

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<v Speaker 4>another thing and another thing, and you know, who knows

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<v Speaker 4>what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And Durant, I think they had at least this year

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<v Speaker 1>to make something happen and maybe make.

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<v Speaker 4>The moves that would make him happy, because I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think in this case Durant was as tied to Kyrie

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<v Speaker 4>as it was over the summer, or it appeared over

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<v Speaker 4>the summer. So I think they have a chance to

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<v Speaker 4>give to give Durant the team he wants to see.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's just it's really sad that you know they

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<v Speaker 4>get these all world talents and they'll never get someone

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<v Speaker 4>better than Kevin Durant. I'm pretty certain of that. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's crushing to see that. You know, they fumbled this

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing and it's been just a hilarious string of

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<v Speaker 4>errors here.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, keep the faith.

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<v Speaker 4>We got a the Clippers game coming up in you know,

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<v Speaker 4>ten to fifteen minutes, and you know, we stay on

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<v Speaker 4>the horse.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we're fans of these basketball teams.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you this read in terms of a hypothetical,

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<v Speaker 3>because this trade has been thrown out there and you're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing the woes of the world talk about this potential.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you want Jalen Brown in a trade like, would

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<v Speaker 3>you take Jalen Brown for the Nets over Kevin Durant. No.

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<v Speaker 4>I am team keep Kevin Durant as long as humanly possible.

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<v Speaker 4>I want Kevin Durant to retire as a Net if

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<v Speaker 4>it were up to me. So that's where my head's at.

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<v Speaker 1>I also just I would be shocked if that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I really find that hard to believe that the.

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<v Speaker 4>Best team in the league, the clear best team in

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<v Speaker 4>the league, would trade their number two guy to get

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin Durant mid season In pursuit of a title.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I find that hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 4>I really think given the time frame here, I just

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that Kevin Durant trade is going to materialize

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<v Speaker 4>that fast, especially considering they.

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<v Speaker 1>Made a move to get win now players and it.

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<v Speaker 4>Seems like they're in the mix of Toronto where they're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna try and get more win now players and try

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, woo Kevin Durant one more time. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, maybe the offseason, if the Celtic

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<v Speaker 4>explain out early or something, maybe that comes back up.

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<v Speaker 4>But for now, I just I don't see a Kevin

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<v Speaker 4>Durant trade materializing, And honestly, I would that would be

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<v Speaker 4>the final blow for me if they give up on

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<v Speaker 4>Durant too.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's hope that they could keep this together for

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit longer.

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<v Speaker 3>And this clip was really interesting to see who redhead

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of the East. His answer did not disappoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I still think Boston is the best team, clear

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<v Speaker 1>best team. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to see where these deadline moves go because

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<v Speaker 4>to me, the East is the far and away best

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<v Speaker 4>conference or the better conference, I should say, than the

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<v Speaker 4>Western Conference. So those are going to be the teams

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<v Speaker 4>maybe a little bit more aggressive, trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>get into an arms race here and again the nets

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<v Speaker 4>are you know, I'll keep being in the nets. Horn

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<v Speaker 4>three first rounders tradeable a very very.

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<v Speaker 1>Valuable one in my eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>You know this Finny Smith, Dimwitdy Windows probably close. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the nets are going to be big game

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<v Speaker 4>hunting too. They're not out of the they don't think

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<v Speaker 4>they're out of the hunt just yet. So maybe they

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<v Speaker 4>stay aggressive and they again, like if they get Pascal Siakam,

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<v Speaker 4>that is, they're right there and they could defend the

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<v Speaker 4>ball and Celtics.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wouldn't roll out the nets just yet.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously right now it's tough to talk about that pick

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<v Speaker 4>and talk up the nets. But let's see where the

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<v Speaker 4>dust settles. But to me, it's Boston pretty clear in

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<v Speaker 4>front of everyone. I still think Philly and Milwaukee have

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<v Speaker 4>some serious concerns. Philly kind of their style of play

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very concerned about, and also Milwaukee just a ball

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<v Speaker 4>handler short.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, we asked what team is he actually having confidence

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<v Speaker 3>in the West. His answer not surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough to see. It's tough to see what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking long shots last week, and I thought

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<v Speaker 4>Dallas actually with Luca and you know Phinney Smith and

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<v Speaker 4>the defensive prowess that they could put together, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the style they play so slow and stuff, maybe they

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<v Speaker 4>could be a nice long shot. I don't really see

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<v Speaker 4>it now. I'm all from because they got Kyrie and

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<v Speaker 4>gave up Phinney Smith in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they gonna be aggressive at the deadline because if

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<v Speaker 4>they are adding and Zion comes back healthy, that seem

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<v Speaker 4>to figure it out. And the real concerning thing is

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<v Speaker 4>Golden State and now without Curry for a month, that's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be like another I think I counted to twelve

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen games around a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Timeline like that is.

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<v Speaker 4>They are starting to play with some serious fire there,

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<v Speaker 4>not to mention the Mileageer're gonna put on everybody else

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<v Speaker 4>around Staph, you know, off the finals run.

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<v Speaker 1>Can they keep it up? I don't trust Memphis half

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<v Speaker 1>court offense.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's just Denver, you know, their defensively concerned, but

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<v Speaker 4>they have in my eyes the MVP once again. Jamal

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<v Speaker 4>Murray looks much better of late. His last few weeks

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<v Speaker 4>have been fantastic. Maybe it's just Denver I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>it's that exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>But I as you hear my dog barking, maybe hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>in agreement about Denver, but early agrees. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Denver so or maybe he's pissed that I was talking

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<v Speaker 4>poorly about Memphis, But I think Denver they just have

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<v Speaker 4>the least amount of holes in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's keep up, keep over in the West. Is

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<v Speaker 3>there any sleeper team that you like, because I feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the New Orleans Pelicans has been have been

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's darling all year, and obviously Brandon Ingram goes down

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<v Speaker 3>with the injuries, Zion goes down with an injury. B

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<v Speaker 3>I is back now playing better basketball. Like, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you feel about their upside?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>To me, it's the Pelicans are probably still my like

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<v Speaker 4>dark horse team, just because we saw the ceiling of

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<v Speaker 4>what they could be earlier this season with Zion and

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<v Speaker 4>Brandon Ingram healthy, they were competing for a one seed,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, Memphis now in a downswing. I'm really

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<v Speaker 4>concerned about, you know, Dallas, I just kind of talked

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<v Speaker 4>about with their defensive issues, the Pelicans could get healthy,

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<v Speaker 4>they could go on another run where they go fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>and five, and in the Western Conference, that's all you

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<v Speaker 4>need to get back into the top three. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>everyone struggles on the road, everyone's a mess. It feels

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<v Speaker 4>like there's issues every which way. So why not the

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<v Speaker 4>Pelicans still? I mean their price is falling way off,

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<v Speaker 4>probably a little too far off for what we've seen

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<v Speaker 4>with this upside zions do back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I saw he's running now.

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<v Speaker 4>He's practicing maybe like a week, you know, maybe after

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<v Speaker 4>the All Star break, but you know, we're right there

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<v Speaker 4>where I think New Orleans this is the bottom point

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<v Speaker 4>for them, and why can't they make a run in

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<v Speaker 4>this wide open Western Conference.

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