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Speaker 1: The artists, you know, path or whatever the artist way

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Speaker 1: remember that.

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Speaker 2: Book, Oh the artist Way. I hate it. More Better.

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Speaker 1: Or Better.

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Speaker 2: Better More.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending

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Speaker 1: to have it all together and embrace the journey of

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Speaker 1: becoming a little more better every.

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Speaker 2: Day, or at least trying to.

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Speaker 3: That's Molsa Fumero and that's Stephanie Badris.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Hi friend, Hi, hi friends. If you're here, then

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Speaker 1: you've enjoyed our absolute bullshit meandering talks, so welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Yay. How are you listen?

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Speaker 1: I'm eating a child's strawberry unsweetened apple sauce out of

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Speaker 1: a pouch, so that'll give you.

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Speaker 2: You do it pretty great? Then, I guess you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: Life is good when you're sucking on a pouch.

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Speaker 1: Uh, here come the memes, Here come the memes.

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Speaker 2: You I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel rested today, which hasn't been the

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Speaker 3: case in a few days.

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Speaker 2: Well, congratua fucking lation, thank you, thank you. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: I'm just jealous. That's great.

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Speaker 3: I just have children that have been waking up and

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Speaker 3: bad dreams and coming to my bed in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the night, and I don't think they did last night,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's.

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Speaker 2: Why I feel good. That's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's great. And now I feel like an

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Speaker 1: asshole for being like good a bucket. No, that's actually

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Speaker 1: really great. No, I'm getting sleep is absolute.

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Speaker 2: Hell, it truly is it? Truly is? What have you

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Speaker 2: done lately? That's more better? Hang out with you?

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Speaker 3: Stuff that's nice, that actually is nice. I will say

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Speaker 3: this has been This is the highlight of my week.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, is spending all this time with you.

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Speaker 3: Remember how we used to spend every single day together.

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Speaker 2: Every day, every day, every day? It was heavenly? What

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Speaker 2: have you done lately? It's more better? Let's see. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I've been taking voice lessons again. Oh for anything. We're

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Speaker 2: just for fun, you know, just maybe a little.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just want to make sure that my

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Speaker 1: voice is in good shape for whatever may come in

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Speaker 1: the future, because I tell you what, it's so vulnerable singing.

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Speaker 2: You know, nothing will.

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Speaker 3: Humble you quite as much as not reaching a note

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Speaker 3: For Oh my god, oh, just bring you right back

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Speaker 1: Get a ganto at the Hollywood Bowl. The first night,

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Speaker 1: my voice cracked multiple times because it was fucking freezing.

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Speaker 2: I was so cold. It was so cold.

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Speaker 1: Everyone in the audience was in jackets and sweaters and hats,

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Speaker 2: It's like shivering off stage.

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Speaker 3: It was just like literally worse weather to like sing in.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not great.

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Speaker 2: More better enough about me, Let's talk about this week's topic.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this glide's right into our topic beautifully, because we're

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Speaker 3: talking about accessing your creativity.

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Speaker 1: A deep well, A deep well, A deep well. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: there's water at the bottom. Sometimes there's spiders. I'm not

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Speaker 3: Sometimes there's just dust, just dusty.

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Speaker 2: It's just dusty and musty down there, babe.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, technically, technically, what is accessing you creativity?

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's like getting to the bits of

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Speaker 2: The ability to like have your imagination.

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Speaker 3: I think going at this hyper speed and like a

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, sometimes it's as small as being like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: How do I creatively?

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Speaker 1: For us, I think it's mainly focused on making art,

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Speaker 1: like acting, directing, you directing, making stuff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think for us in what we do,

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Speaker 3: I think when you first read a script or approach

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Speaker 1: Creativity to me sometimes feels like a faucet that like

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Speaker 2: But I want it to go. You can.

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Speaker 3: How do you That's gonna sound dirty, but like, how

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Speaker 1: You know that's such a good question because it used

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Speaker 2: And I used to be a really avid reader.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we started the I started the year actually like

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Speaker 2: And it was amazing. And I read two books.

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Speaker 3: And then we got fucking busy and we've dropped it

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Speaker 2: And it actually was so nice.

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Speaker 3: but yeah, I get that completely. And when I was younger,

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Speaker 3: I kept a journal all through elementary school, high school,

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Speaker 2: Then I know somewhere in my nineties journal.

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Speaker 3: I journaled almost every day and are you serious?

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Speaker 3: And then somewhere in my twenties, I dropped the habit

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Speaker 3: I think. And it's such a good habit, but like,

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Speaker 1: I will say I have heard that my whole life.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, journal, journal to get your like thoughts

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Speaker 1: My brain is just going too fast for my hand,

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Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, journaling just doesn't work for

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Speaker 3: I'm a start journaling again. Look at this beautiful journal.

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Speaker 3: I've bought those like guided ones too, where you like

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Speaker 2: In a drawer somewhere in my house. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: an improv show at the Groundlings, and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: to this? I do not want to do this? Why

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Speaker 3: did I say yes to an improv show. I'm not

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Speaker 2: Okay, so We're in the middle of the strike and

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Speaker 2: that as I'm driving to the theater.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I my brain feels empty.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there is literal dust between my ears

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Speaker 2: What the fuck am I going to do?

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Speaker 3: I am about to go to something where it is

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Speaker 3: So I get to the theater and I park my

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Speaker 3: a guided meditation on creativity.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so good.

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Speaker 3: And I sit in my car and I do this

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Speaker 1: based in like how can I just like be free

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00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: and play a little bit with this? It's not as

443
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: serious as it as I'm making it out to be.

444
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: It's not.

445
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: It's not this like creativity doesn't have to be this

446
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: mountain that you have to climb, right, it can just

447
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: be a game.

448
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can find and I can find play so freeing.

449
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 3: Like sometimes that's such a great reminder because there'll be

450
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 3: times where I'm like tired and stressed out and they

451
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: are being whiny and I'm just like and yeah, something clicks,

452
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 3: or like my partner David is really good at play

453
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: and like kind of turned like just flicking the switch

454
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: and making something playful and silly. And then I find

455
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: myself going like, oh, whatever, fuck the bedtime tonight, like

456
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: we'll be a little late, or like well, you know,

457
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: and it ends up being a great night and the

458
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: kids like do what you want them to do and

459
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: like and you're also just released from just the expectations

460
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: or the whatever that wasn't going right that you were

461
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 3: like gripping onto and just it can just be so

462
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 3: freeing to just yeah.

463
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: Say fuck it and let's just play.

464
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 3: Let's just play, and you're so right, And that's such

465
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: a great way to also just access that. I think

466
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: part of your brain that is is silly, imaginative.

467
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: It's there. It's always there.

468
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: Everybody did that, every single person, every serious grown up

469
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: that you've ever met, was a little kid.

470
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: He played pretent mm hmm.

471
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: Everybody has it in them. It's not it's not like

472
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: creativity is just for artists. It's for all of us.

473
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: It's accessible in all of us. Just I think people

474
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Speaker 1: that choose like the artists you know, path or whatever,

475
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: the artist.

476
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: Way, artists way.

477
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: Wait, let's talk about the og The artist Way, which

478
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: is a book I hate it by Julia Cameron The

479
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: Artist Way Sorry of course, in book that helps people

480
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: unlike the unlock their capacity for creativity, whether in art,

481
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 3: at work, or in life. And it has been around forever.

482
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 3: I think I first was given a copy in like

483
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: high school. That's how long ago this book has been around.

484
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: I think I got a copy when I was when

485
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: I first moved to New York, when everybody was doing it, and.

486
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: Everybody was doing it at one point, Yes, tell me

487
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: why you hate it.

488
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: I just feel like I'm my. I mean, there's things

489
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: in it that I like.

490
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: For example, I remember she would be like, oh, go

491
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: out and you know, have artists. I think she's like

492
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: artist dates with yourself or something like you do stuff

493
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: for fun. Like that's kind of like what I was saying,

494
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: Like I love.

495
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: Going to the museums or yes, I love that and

496
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Actually, like I'm gonna, you know, seriously,

497
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: try to do that more.

498
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: Or like go to a movie by yourself, you know,

499
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: like I used to do that a lot and I

500
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: haven't done it in a long time.

501
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: Like things that that are that are just for you,

502
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: you know, go to a bookstore by yourself and like

503
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: look at a bunch of stuff. I liked that. What

504
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: I hated was the morning pages.

505
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: The morning pages are I like, within an hour of

506
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: waking up, you have to see journal I hate it

507
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: doesn't work.

508
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: Journaling is not for you. But as someone who used

509
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: to journal, I also could never do the morning pages.

510
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: It's yeah, you're supposed to do it within like the

511
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: first hour that you wake up. You're supposed to like free,

512
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: write whatever. And if you don't know what to write,

513
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: you just write. I don't know what to write. I

514
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: don't know what to write.

515
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: This is so dumb.

516
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm doing, and you're supposed to

517
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 3: do it. I don't remember how long you're supposed to

518
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: do it. I think I remember eight pages. You have

519
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 3: to finish three pages. It is okay, So we paid,

520
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: and she'd be like, get us.

521
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: You can't do like a small notebook, like get a

522
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: spiral notebook, like fill up a ball page. And I

523
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: was like, bitch, what what life are you living that

524
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: you can just sit around and fucking fill up. I

525
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: have like a job I have to get to. I

526
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: have to make my own shitty caree big you know.

527
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: What I mean.

528
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: That's like it lonutes over and I can't.

529
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: Do them later, Like I'm gonna have to get up

530
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: at five am to do this bullshit.

531
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: I remember when I had.

532
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: A job in I had a job in a hell's

533
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: kitchen and I was living in Brooklyn, and I'd be

534
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: like getting up at like six am to do these

535
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: stupid morning pages, hating my life, Like what is this

536
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: giving me nothing?

537
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I have a memory from college of

538
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: attempting to do the morning pages and same thing, having

539
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: like ballet class at nine am or eight thirty am

540
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: and waking up and I am not a morning person,

541
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 3: and so I would just sit there and be like

542
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: this is torture and I hate this. I need coffee,

543
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: I need quiet, I need to walk.

544
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: It honestly felt like and like that's writings as a punishment.

545
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: Yes, it felt like.

546
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: It, like it would be like I will be creative,

547
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: like you have to write that one hundred times and

548
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: then you will be It's like, no, that's not a

549
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: recipe for anything but me hating the artist.

550
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, and listen, if you're a person

551
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: who I mean, it sounds like a lovely practice and

552
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: perhaps if you're a morning person, you know the type

553
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: of person like I know some people that way to cover,

554
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: way to cover it, you know, wake up and like

555
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: they fucking meditate in their bed for five minutes when

556
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: they wake up.

557
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: Like that is that sounds lovely?

558
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: You probably would love morning pages and it would start

559
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: off your day and like it's worth a try. But

560
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: like I am and have never been a morning person.

561
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: When I did journal, I used to journal at night

562
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: before bed. Yeah, and uh yeah, that sh it's not

563
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 3: for me. So I'm I'm an access my creativity through

564
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: a cup of coffee.

565
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: Another way and.

566
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: Right like to me, that was also part of it,

567
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: was like, so this is supposed to access my creativity,

568
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: but I have these very intense strictures around how I

569
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: get to access the creativity.

570
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: I remember that's what I did. I didn't like a deadline.

571
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: I didn't like being told I.

572
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: Don't want them. You know, I don't want that, But

573
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: I mean it works for a lot of people. Like breaks,

574
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: let who are you in your three pages?

575
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it the thing that I got. I mean,

576
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: it's like anything I remember in acting school, they'd be like, listen,

577
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about all these different schools of thought,

578
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: all of these different teachers and they all access you know, acting,

579
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: they all access it in different ways. Like one of

580
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: my favorite books is The Actor and the Target by

581
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: Declan donnellan, and like that book is a lot about

582
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: focusing on the thing that the character wants at any

583
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: given time and it changes constantly within the scene. Yeah,

584
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: and I've recommended that book so many times to people,

585
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: and some actors will come at back to me and.

586
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: Be like that fucking sucked. I hated it. I hated

587
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: how he said it.

588
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it. And like creativity is so personal,

589
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: it's so singular and personal, and.

590
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: It's not going to work for me, and you know, yeah,

591
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: that's so take.

592
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: In control what you want and and like, well.

593
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: You have to find It's like I always liked the

594
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: expression of like the actor's toolbox, of like this idea

595
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: of just kind of learning about as many techniques as

596
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: you can and like filling up your toolbox of the

597
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: things how to look for you.

598
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: And I think that it changes.

599
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: Also, like as we get old, I have more experience,

600
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: Like I just worked on something where I had to

601
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: be world dramatic, more dramatic than I've been in a

602
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: long time.

603
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: And uh, I.

604
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: Found that like some things that worked for me when

605
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: I was younger don't really work for me anymore, didn't

606
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: don't work anymore.

607
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: And then I got to find some.

608
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: New ways in to like figure out Oh shit, oh shit.

609
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: I was like, how this moment, I gotta get at

610
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: it a different way. Yeah, I I just want to, like,

611
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, I want to tell this story

612
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: about andre actually, yeah, because I had so much respect

613
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: for andre I meek we all did on Brooklyn. We did,

614
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: but we were doing this scene. It was a comedy scene, right,

615
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: but he and I both had to.

616
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: Cry and oh I remember that scene. We were doing

617
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: it and he wasn't getting it.

618
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: He was like, h like if it felt like we

619
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: did it like three times and it was like he

620
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: wasn't quite there.

621
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Speaker 2: And I meanwhile, I'm like, sobbing.

622
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: Well you cry cries, Yeah, you'd be like cry and

623
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: at the top of a.

624
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Hat, h I had a traumatic childhood, okay, But he

625
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: he was like he was like he was so he

626
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: was so confident, like he I don't even know if

627
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: confidence a were, but like he turned to make up

628
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: and he was like, give me the tearstick and I

629
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: was like, what's that? And he goes oh, you've never

630
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: used a tearstick? And it was one of those little

631
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: sticks they sell them on the internet. You guys, teenagers,

632
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: if you need to cry and tell it and stay

633
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: home from school, I highly recommend. But they're these little

634
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: they look like little chapsticks and you put them near

635
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: your eye and your eyes tear up.

636
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I had.

637
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: Never seen someone who I respect so highly as an

638
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: actor use one of those.

639
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 2: I'd always thought it was cheating.

640
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, Andre, you're cheating, and he looked

641
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: at me and he was like he kind of laughed

642
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: and was like, you know, he said something like, well,

643
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's you just need to use any tool

644
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: that you can to get to get to the place

645
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: where you need to get.

646
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, oh, that's so smart.

647
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, if he wasn't gonna sit there and torture

648
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: himself because he wasn't tearing up, he was gonna use

649
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: a tool that allowed him to cry while still being

650
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: like super funny, yeah and honest, And because for him,

651
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: that's what he needed to create, what we needed for

652
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: the scene to be funny, right, Like he if he

653
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: was gonna really cry, it wouldn't have been at the

654
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: level of comedy that we needed it to be, so

655
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: he needed that tearstick.

656
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: I just thought that was so yeah, because the physical

657
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: tears made that scene funnier, funnier.

658
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can be crying and not even produce fucking

659
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: real tears, tears like that if.

660
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: You're dehydrated, babe, Like if you're dehydrated baby, and they'll

661
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: never come out. It's true.

662
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: I learned that the hard way on stage doing measure

663
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Speaker 1: for measure one night, where I was like, what is

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Speaker 1: wrong with me?

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Speaker 3: It's real shaking and snotty and no tears are coming down,

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Speaker 3: like there's nothing coming out of my eyeballs.

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Speaker 2: Hydrate more better? Anyway, What did you come away with today?

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Speaker 2: Come away with me that when accessing your creativity can

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Speaker 2: be hard, but I feel like.

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Speaker 3: Very uh like less alone. I loved sharing these little

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Speaker 3: stories with you because I was like, oh, it's not

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Speaker 3: just me, and also so many great reminders too, just

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Speaker 3: like I can't I'm gonna go to a museum by myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna like, oh my god, you're sure, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna get it back into reading. What did you learn today?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: I think I learned that I'm being really hard on

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Speaker 2: myself about not being creative.

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Speaker 1: I'm being really hard on myself, like I don't do this,

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Speaker 1: I don't do that, I don't do my guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you are, and you're like one of the most

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Speaker 3: creative people I know.

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Speaker 2: You are nice.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you don't have to do all this shit, Stephanie,

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Speaker 3: because you just creative as hell.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. And but also it sounds like you do

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Speaker 2: do the things that like.

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Speaker 3: Foster and nurture your creativity and they just maybe are

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Speaker 3: like the things that are more unique to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what it is, right, Like I don't

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Speaker 3: have more of a basic bitch that like the ones

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Speaker 3: that you know, everybody doesn't. I'm a start go into

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Speaker 3: a museum and elevate my ship.

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Speaker 1: Remember do you remember that sweatshirt that I had for

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Speaker 1: a while, that's a basic on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I still had it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what happened to it. Oh that was a good sweatshirt. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was a good, good one. Anyway, Do you feel

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Speaker 2: a little more better? I do feel more better. Do

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Speaker 2: you feel more better? Yeah? Yeah I do. I actually

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Speaker 2: really do.

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Speaker 1: I feel kind of like, I don't know, I feel

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Speaker 1: very confident, like I feel very like, Oh yeah I am.

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Speaker 2: I am creative, like I can access that. Let's be that.

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Speaker 3: Let's go out in the world and be Andre Brower confident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, God, we'd be unstoppable truly. Anyway, guys, we hope

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Speaker 1: you would be unstoppable in your own lives. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you just channel Laundre and you know what, get yourself

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Speaker 1: a little tearstick.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you.

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Speaker 1: Just need to like come out of the bathroom and

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Speaker 1: be like, I just really need some time for myself.

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Speaker 2: You can do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh the amount of play you could do with a tearstick.

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Speaker 1: Try it this week. See what happens. Tell us what happens?

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Speaker 2: Okay, love you, Bye friends, Bye, More Better. Do you

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Speaker 2: have something you'd like to be more better at that

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Speaker 2: you want us to talk about in a future episodes?

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Speaker 3: Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried

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Speaker 3: one of our tips and tricks?

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Speaker 1: Shoot us your thoughts and ideas Morebetter pod at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com and include a voice note if you want

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Speaker 1: to be featured.

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Speaker 2: On the pod.

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Speaker 1: Ooh More Better with Stephanie Melissa is a production from

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Speaker 1: Wvsound and iHeartMedia's Mikultura podcast network, hosted by me, Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Viatriz and Melissa Fumero.

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Speaker 2: More Better is produced.

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Speaker 1: By Isis Madrid, Leo Clem, and Sophie Spencer Zebos. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Wilmer Valderrama and Leo Clem at Wvsound.

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Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Isis Madrid and engineered by

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Speaker 1: Sean Tracy and features original music by Madison Davenport and

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Speaker 2: You listen to your favorite shows. See you next week,

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Speaker 2: Suga bye,