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Speaker 1: But it's going to take a lot more than a

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Speaker 1: weekend to fix that. Teresa prepares to confront Jacqueline, Melissa

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Speaker 1: is frustrated with Teresa's lies, and Kathy is watching this

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Speaker 1: all from the sidelines, and years of hostility turned into

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Speaker 1: a throwdown between the Joe's epic throwdown brothers and professional

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Speaker 1: ballroom dancers Val and Max Schmerkovsky joined me to break

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Speaker 1: down this episode. This is Real Housewives of New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: Season five, episode seven, when Joe's collide. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: We're great? How are you?

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Speaker 1: Look at your hair? Why you got a thick head

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Speaker 1: of hair? Brouh? I know, I see you dancing with

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Speaker 1: your wife. If been like doing funny stuff with your

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Speaker 1: with your son on TikTok? All right, so where are

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Speaker 3: We are in Napa, Napa. Well we are for the summer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, now I'm back and forth. I'm actually back in

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Speaker 2: in Malbour with the fam for now because I'm t

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Speaker 2: minus five days from mother of two.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's so nice. Napa and Malibu that's fancy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that sounds really good. Yeah, but you're from Jersey because

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Speaker 1: we're gonna mention it at all today because we're talking Jersey.

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Speaker 1: So all right, So are you? And there's no right

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Speaker 1: or wrong answer, because I don't watch most of this,

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Speaker 1: So are you fans of the households? Do you actively watch?

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Speaker 1: Do you know who people are like overall? Not just

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Speaker 2: I think I think every Housewives is popular with like

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Speaker 2: the few people that we know, I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: it doesn't help we or it does. It helps that

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Speaker 2: some of those people are always part of Dancing with

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Speaker 2: the Stars personnel, so exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so dancer is no but we do cross

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Speaker 4: paths and quite often so with many different housewives.

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Speaker 1: Well, who have you also doing media for different things?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna run into a housewise?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So have you ever danced with one?

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Speaker 4: I have not danced with one, but there's been one

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Speaker 4: that I've always not always gravitated too, but you know,

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Speaker 4: like for instance, Teresa was actually on the last season

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Speaker 2: Also, I danced with Denise Richards and she then became

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Speaker 1: She was a good housewife, right, okay, all right, so

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Speaker 1: but what do you so do you watch Jenny as

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Speaker 2: You can ask anyway, No, no, no, you know, we know

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Speaker 2: the we know the the the the environment, you know,

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Speaker 2: the the aforementioned episode about you know, the two Joe's

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, So as brothers, let's talk about your

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Speaker 1: you both are married, and let's talk about honest drama

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Speaker 1: never do or do they like? What what is blood

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Speaker 1: wives don't watch this, But how does that dynamic work

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, our wives became uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think it's there has been quite a

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Speaker 4: debates later on moving forward, me, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna fight and stay out of the fucking way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna fight, and you're gonna not stay out

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Speaker 3: But you just have to understand that.

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Speaker 4: You know, ultimately we'll make up, but I'll never forgive

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's the key point. Yes, that's a key point.

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Speaker 1: That's a key point you're saying. You and Max will

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Speaker 1: argue and you may say things you regret, and all

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Speaker 1: bets are off with the two of you, but that

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Speaker 3: In a way, Well, that's.

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Speaker 1: Like you could say something about your mother, but nobody

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Speaker 4: But but it's you know, I also don't want to

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Max, and so there's effectively a code you're describing,

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean it's a great opportunity. Why not?

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Speaker 2: and you're talking about Valini, you know, with all due

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Speaker 2: respect across all fronts. We came in as professionals at

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Speaker 2: little bit different. Yes, Having said that, I too kind

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Speaker 2: let's see what happens next.

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Speaker 1: And oh really that was a thing because I would

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Speaker 2: Why if if we kind of like learned, not learned,

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Speaker 2: sounds like, oh, come on, you guys, give me the juice, right, well,

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Speaker 2: this is the juice. I mean. We really were focused

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Speaker 2: We never compete each other. We never fought. Val and

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Speaker 2: Was more like, you know, when we die, and we

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Speaker 4: Again, I just think it also comes back to you know,

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Speaker 4: what are the pillars that your relationship is built on?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Max and I built our friendship, relationship, brotherhood, whatever it

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Speaker 3: I feel like we we didn't need to do all

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Speaker 3: that obviously.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure we would have created better headlines, and headlines

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Speaker 1: And it makes sense a family that's not from this

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Speaker 2: Also point out that that's that immigrant mentality, is that

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Speaker 1: could do some real shit here and make some good

433
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: television and like move the deal. So it's different. It's like,

434
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're on the dance floor,

435
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: like we're gonna crush this shit because I'm a competitor.

436
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: So that's why you said something about habitat but also dynamic.

437
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: What you said that was interesting was the dynamic between

438
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: the two of you. The dynamic used to be the

439
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: Paris Hilton was the star and Kim Kardashian organized her closets.

440
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: The dynamic was that Martha Stewart was this big boss

441
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: that I was like, Oh my god, can I please

442
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: work for you?

443
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: Oh, you fall back into a familiarity. It's like I'm

444
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: forty three, my dad, my mom. Together, our dynamic is ridiculous,

445
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 2: it's silly at times. It's you know, we're working through

446
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: some things and also have a baby on the way.

447
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: Vals got itself. So we went from like the super

448
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: tight knit two brothers and two parents holding on to

449
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: each other. I mean, Mike Peter was already I'm gonna say,

450
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: like six and a half seven months pregnant. Val and

451
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: I was still in the same apartment, you know, who

452
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: were not even thinking of moving out.

453
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: It was like we had like step brothers. That movie

454
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: or one of those movies you're like.

455
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: Stunt, don't, don't, don't touch the drum sets, don't.

456
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, uh, you know, there's a price to

457
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: pay for everything. And obviously a conversation is very different

458
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 4: when you're when there's a camera there, or.

459
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Speaker 3: There's more than just one.

460
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: You know, a one on one conversation is drastically different

461
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: and and received very differently when there's when it's a

462
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: one on one conversation with even one other person, there no.

463
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Speaker 1: Right, So hold on, we got to get into like

464
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: some meet now now because this is like the most

465
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: brilliant I could talk you guys, like therapist. I was

466
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: not expecting this at all, dance therapists. Okay, so it's hysterical.

467
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: This is the deep. This is really good. It's always deep,

468
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: but this is even deeper, which is amazing. So what's

469
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: interesting about this show now is that when I was there,

470
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: it was like this, But now in twenty twenty three,

471
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: everybody has to go to everything and it's so not real.

472
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: And what's real about this episode is Caroline and her

473
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: husband don't go to this retreat. They just do their

474
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: own thing. And Jacqueline and Chris don't go, they just

475
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: do their own thing. And producers, I understand both ways.

476
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: One it's real, Like there was an episode where I

477
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: was on this island with all of them and I

478
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: was pregnant. I just didn't want to be there and

479
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, and it ended up being interesting that

480
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. Sometimes the person that's not there gets

481
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: talked about and like it's good, But sometimes like in

482
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: this case, you really need the other person there. So

483
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: there's this conflict going on with Teresa and Jacqueline and

484
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: her husband, and it's definitely distracting that Teresa's focusing more

485
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: on a fight with someone who's not in the room

486
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: where she's doing the team building than the people that

487
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: she needs to do the team building with. Like she's

488
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: distracting and avoiding and focusing on Jacqueline, this woman who's

489
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: home with her husband and not her brother who she

490
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: has no relationship with now. And I thought that was interesting,

491
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: And it seemed like Teresa kept avoiding. Did you notice

492
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: like at least Joe and Melissa were like, let's deal

493
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: with this now we have this these babies team builders,

494
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: and let's like work on the issue that we're pretending

495
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: and faking to do in this weird workshop. And Teresa

496
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: didn't want to like address the issue and like really

497
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: taken head on. And her husband was totally not supportive.

498
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: He thought this was all bullshit and negative. So I

499
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: want to know what you thought about like the actual

500
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: being there.

501
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just thought that, you know, nothing gets resolved

502
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 4: if all the parties don't have the desire to resolve it,

503
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 4: you know, so for instance, like back to paralleling our

504
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 4: relationship with Max, there's a real desire for us to

505
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: really coexist, you know, there's a real desire for us

506
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 4: to make sure that we're on a good page with

507
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: one another first and then everything else. You don't see

508
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: that desire between the people that go on this retreat.

509
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: And I actually really appreciated the couples that or rather

510
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 4: the couple that didn't show up. I really liked their segment.

511
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: That felt real.

512
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: Oh Patterson Falls, which I wanted to ask if you

513
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Speaker 1: guys have ever been there.

514
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: I've never been.

515
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: I don't look nice, right, I know that I don't

516
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 4: know a lot of really nice things about Patterson. The

517
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 4: things that I know about Patterson are shocking.

518
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: That was shocking to see a waterfowl jersey, Like the

519
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: Jersey Commission was excited about that. Like that.

520
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: That?

521
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so you like their relationship.

522
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: Oh, let's yeah. I like the fact. And that's what

523
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: I was going to say.

524
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Speaker 4: You know, probably even in our journey through Hollywood so far,

525
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 4: there were a lot of choices that we didn't make

526
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 4: that potentially could have elevated our careers.

527
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: But at what expense.

528
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: You know, it's the same thing as going after business

529
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: or chasing money. You know, I understand the sacrifice that

530
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: needs to be paid to attain a certain life, and

531
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: I'm okay with not attaining that life if that sacrifice

532
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: is not worth it to me. Right, same thing on

533
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 4: reality TV or in Hollywood. I understand the price you

534
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 4: paid to get a certain amount of followers or a

535
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: certain amount of this, and I'm okay with not paying

536
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: that price. I'm okay with paying a little bit for

537
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: a little bit more than what I want. But again,

538
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: it's a math game that I am in control of,

539
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 4: and I don't have any you know, my having a

540
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 4: healthy relationship with my family is worth a lot more

541
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: to me than you know, like I said, an extra

542
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: couple of million followers on my Instagram.

543
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: That's fascinating because Caroline, I spoke to you since the

544
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: pandemic and she said they took a hit because they're

545
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: in the catering entertainment business, I mean entertaining like hospitality.

546
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: And I agree with you. And even though I am

547
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: we're all doing very well and we have nice homes

548
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: and cars and all that. You know, we have money,

549
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: we can pay our bills. I choose to not go

550
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: back to the housewives, even though it would be a

551
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: the Patterson Falls waterfall of cash if I did. And

552
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: I choose to say no more than I say yes

553
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: for the same reason, and it's you do have to

554
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: check in with yourself. And I guess that's why I

555
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: bring that up here overall, because it looks like this

556
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: show has really cost this family a relationship, unlike you too,

557
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: and like people like the Kardashians, where I'm sure they're jealous,

558
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure they fight, I'm sure there are normal things

559
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: that go on, but someone has mandated the code within

560
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: their family, which is all boats rise with the tide,

561
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: so everybody will stick together as a family and will

562
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: fight about it inside and not publicly, not outside. Overall,

563
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: they'll they'll throw a couple of fight crumbs for the audience,

564
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: so we think they're real, but they're not real. They've

565
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: got their own stuff going on behind the scenes. And

566
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: these people have shredded their family, like the Hiltons, Kathy

567
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: and Kyle, they've shredded the family.

568
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: Because they came in as someone this you talk about

569
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: Kardashians talking about somebody born into the show, and you know,

570
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: for the for the younger ones, they you know, they

571
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: don't know any better. It's like she doesn't know not

572
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: to have security. She doesn't know not to you know,

573
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: what is it like to afford or not afford groceries

574
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: and all that. So there's a different You're talking about

575
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: someone who comes in and in the case of the

576
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: Teresa and Joe and the parents, and I'm sure it's like, well,

577
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: I don't know her history, but like first generation, second

578
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: generation you know, American, maybe probably Grandpa is like you said.

579
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: No, she said, the parents, father, father, full speaking Italian

580
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: the entire time Italy.

581
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: Like, they come in, they established themselves, they become someone,

582
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: and now bang, this TV opportunity and what happened? You know,

583
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: it exposed the crap out of them.

584
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I understand. The batter wasn't layered in slowly like

585
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: melted in.

586
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: It was like boom, Yeah, are you ready for a

587
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: camera in your household? Are you ready for a camera

588
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: in your relationship? Are you ready for a camera like

589
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: col and I probably ready, Peter and I and Jena

590
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: and Valve probably ready. You know, we're also not dumb

591
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: about about what that opportunity comes with. We also know

592
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: negatives about it. Val and I also not once or

593
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: twice popped out. We were in the same scene as

594
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: those celebrities that were falling out of the club drunk.

595
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: You know, we were the same club. We were the

596
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: same even drunk sometimes, but you know we had we

597
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: carried ourselves with like there's certain things that are just

598
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: not part of public knowledge or public you know. Any

599
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: play it off was different too. It's like, yeah, if

600
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: I go on Housewives, you open up and say here,

601
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm here accepting this, uh, you know, contractual agreement, and

602
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: it says open your doors, and here we are again.

603
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: In the case of us, we got lucky because we

604
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: had the best of both worlds. We had the world

605
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: where it's pull on reality representation of Max behind the scenes. Quickly,

606
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: I realized that it's just a minute and.

607
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 5: A half, right, so I need to try to figure

608
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: out how to put into that minute and a half,

609
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 5: like you know, you know back and you know how like,

610
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: let's make that TV, right, So I did subconsciously.

611
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to make.

612
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: TV, but I understand it's aside, I understand what you're saying.

613
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: It's you never got there by Hey, this is a sexy,

614
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: hot guy who can probably say some nonsense, let's put

615
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 2: them on the show. No, they say the chacha, and

616
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: then it turns out that he doesn't understand.

617
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, here's the thing that I think my

618
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: advice I'm gonna give right now. My advice to Melissa, Joe,

619
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: Teresa and Louis is they have to find a way

620
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: to come together because the whole thing will be inspirational

621
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: for families everywhere, and they could be a big success

622
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: together that would be amazing and entertaining to watch. They

623
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: have to find a way to realize that all boats

624
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: rise at the time, they are fighting against themselves. They

625
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: swimming against the tide. By doing this, they think it's

626
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: interesting because the people that are winning, it's just like

627
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: divorce Lawyers Bravo is winning. They are individually losing, and

628
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: it's really it's it's it's brutal.

629
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 4: So they shot, you know, they shot an episode at

630
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: our dance studio in New Jersey. But we remember them

631
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: shooting an episode and him kind of making some you know,

632
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: I mean they were having fun with a dance studio experience.

633
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: I grew up in New York, New Jersey Brooklyn area,

634
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: like I've been you know, like I know guys like that,

635
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: we're exactly we grew up with guys like that. I'm

636
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: not triggered by guys like that. I inderstand guys like that.

637
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: I got you. I grew up at the racetrack. I

638
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: grew up at Aqueduct racetracks. So but here and here's

639
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: in Queen's and here's the thing now, all of a sudden,

640
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: So you're supposed to be on a reality show. It's

641
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: supposed to reflect reality, right, So if someone wants to

642
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: smoke a cigarette, they shouldn't be hiding it. From the

643
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: smoke a cigarette, you're gonna get trolled the audience. But

644
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: the problem is in twenty twenty three, you're supposed to

645
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: be free and be honest and open. Then you are

646
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: and you get trolled. So the truth of the matter

647
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: is Joejiu Dice represents a man that is in that

648
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: are thousands right now, not only in Jersey but all

649
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: over the country. He was just being who he actually

650
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: is because he's on a reality show. And it's funny

651
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: that you say that. With him talking about passing gas,

652
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: that's where I get a little nauseous and he makes

653
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: me sick, like talking at a dinner table about that

654
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: that was where I want to throw up because that's

655
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: not my humor. Because I think that joeju Dice wild

656
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: some parts of him are vile. He represents me man.

657
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 4: And that's what I wanted to say, is that it's

658
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: not it's not my like I'm a dancer. I know

659
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: the truth instinctively. I should be offended. I'm not offended

660
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: because it's not my job to re educate him. As

661
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, I want him to be open

662
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: and honest, and you'll.

663
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Know what he said.

664
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll know where he stands.

665
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: You know, I'll be scared and go hide. That's what

666
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: happened with voting. People were going into hidden boots because

667
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: they would never say what they really felt, right and

668
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: they have a discussion because they'd be both about it exactly.

669
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: And that's the other thing is like I don't want

670
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: to bully somebody for having a misconstrued idea of what

671
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: a man dancing is.

672
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: I want to cross paths.

673
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: With this man and change his opinion based on the

674
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 4: experience that you'll have with me. But I don't have

675
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: this like virtue signaling kind of like everybody needs to

676
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 4: be perfect exactly.

677
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: No, I know I agree. I agree. And there's something

678
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: about this show that is entirely imperfect, which is why

679
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: we soon get to a full throwdown. They get into

680
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: a physical fight. Now here's the other thing I'll say

681
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: about this type of reality television when you're doing it,

682
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: And I actually want to talk about rich Warkkeel because

683
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: I think he's an underrated house husband. I think he's

684
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: like the star, the guy, the one husband with the glasses.

685
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: We'll get into him after, but yes.

686
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: I like it.

687
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: He has always been underrated to me. I've been like,

688
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I love him as a house husband. Even have her on.

689
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: She kind of has, he kind of has Jeff Goldblum vibes.

690
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about him. It's interesting to look at.

691
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: It's funny when he talks. He just makes a joke.

692
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: He gets in enough, he's says enough.

693
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: He's a sophisticated yeah exactly.

694
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: And he's not He's not Italian. I think she's Italian

695
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: and he's I forgot what he is. He might be like,

696
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's our Meanian, I forget, but

697
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: he's not Italian. So I thought that was interesting because

698
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: he seems italian Ish. So so, when you're doing this

699
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: you're drinking. It feels like a great idea to drink

700
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: instead of drinking water. It seems like a great idea.

701
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: You feel dehydrated. It just feels like, let's have a drink,

702
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: god something to do, and we're shooting and it all

703
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: sounds good, and the cameras are there and it's bigger,

704
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: and there's an element of it that it's just on steroids.

705
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: It's performative. So I think, like whatever happened, and I'm

706
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: not saying that these guys have never not thrown down

707
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: in their lives in other situations, but with Teresa flipping

708
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: a table another episode or this happening, the fight is

709
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: just an escalation because you also know that the oh

710
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: he's Lebanese American they told me. You also know that

711
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: this audience is watching. It's performative. Let's have a we

712
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: hate each other, and he said something disrespectful, fucking punch

713
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: him in the face because I'm going to seem like

714
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: that Jersey Italian bro that everyone wants me to be.

715
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: I think you I still think that it's not that

716
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: honestly all honesty. I think that it's it's something of

717
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: a novelty when you just signed on to a reality show.

718
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: It's something of a novelty when you just got there

719
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, to get your bearings. I think

720
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: in the case of Teresa, I feel psychoanalytically, you know,

721
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: just an amateur, you know psychoanalysis patterns. It just falls

722
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: back into the pattern. It's like it's like family.

723
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: You know, you can you think this is what it

724
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: was when they were kids, and it's just the same dynamic.

725
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: But as adults, you can work on yourself. You can

726
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: go through therapy, you can have some specialists, you can

727
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: you can really like do some psychedelics. I don't know

728
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: how people get get through this, but you can be

729
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: a new person, right and then walk into one family

730
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: dinner and all of that shit will revert.

731
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: Back to totally. But that's punching each other in the face, right,

732
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: So you and you think this could have happened at

733
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and beating the shit out of each other. You

734
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: think this could have happened Thanksgiving with no cameras.

735
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's their dynamic. I don't

736
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: think you put on the show for cameras. I think

737
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: cameras maybe like accentually things and they make things go

738
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: a little bit more like because everybody's super aware and

739
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: also everybody's on like walking on eggshells and one egg

740
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: cracks and it's a hell all help.

741
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: Yes, but you add alcohol. Yes, I'm just saying that.

742
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: You don't forget that. I am, unfortunately an alarm of

743
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: another TV project that is very that way kind of

744
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: pushed that, The Bachelor. You know, and I know that.

745
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: Format why you were on the Bachelor.

746
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: Over friends. Come on, I was the first Bachelor in

747
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: Ukraine when oh.

748
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I did know that's oh so, and

749
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: is it like a similar Wow? Okay, wow, okay, it's

750
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: not similar.

751
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about the Housewives.

752
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: No, I meant it's similar to the other Bachelor.

753
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's the same format. As a matter of

754
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 2: fact that when we're filming, we had representatives from work,

755
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: from one of the brothers or whoever owns the brand

756
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: at that time and making sure that it's all the

757
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: same thing there.

758
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: They were consulting, you know, to chime in. The only

759
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 4: difference was, you know, you're placed in the same format

760
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: and and and people are the same everywhere in the world. Yeah, same,

761
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 4: you know, but culturally maybe because it was the first

762
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 4: season they've ever done it.

763
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 3: It was still different, it was not. I mean.

764
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: My reference was about was about the psych psychiatrists that

765
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: are present on set, the people whose job is to

766
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: navigate this ship into the dramatic waters that it needs

767
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 2: to be in. And unfortunately, I was the worst Bachelor

768
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: that could have had because I had years of experience

769
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: of reality TV show I've looked against. With Denise Richards,

770
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: I've already seen, we've we've crossed paths. A lot of

771
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: our producers, field producers, camera operators, they were from the

772
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: Bachelor project as well. And I had one experience, as

773
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, with Denise Rich's season the way

774
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: before the house, I had an experience for one of

775
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: our field producers was actually a person from The Bachelor,

776
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: and I went to the bathroom and came back Denise's

777
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: in tears, hysteria, like what happened? We actually had a

778
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: good rehearsal. This lady pushed her to do some stuff,

779
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: to say some things, to answer some things, and I

780
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this is this is literally

781
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: what it is. And then when I was on the

782
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: Bachelor again, You've seen in a lot of production team

783
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: who have had these meetings. What is this show is

784
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: going to be about?

785
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: What is Oh yeah, there's always an agenda we haven't discussed.

786
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: There's a family tree whiteboard where they want to push

787
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: the issues and make sure you're in the van and

788
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about this issue. Yeah, exactly is what we're

789
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: going to do, and exactly.

790
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do.

791
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel exactly wow, Okay, So what is your advice?

792
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: They're navigating the reality show and they're a family. They're

793
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: a family of brother of siblings with their spouses on

794
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: this ship show and they're trying to make money and

795
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: be famous, and it will run out, the fifteen minutes

796
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: will die down. So what is your advice?

797
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: It's simple, It's simple. Uh, you go further together. I mean,

798
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: this is not to promote friendship relationships. You know, you

799
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: guys don't like each other and it move on, right,

800
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: whatever we want to do. But if you are a

801
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: family and you are trying to make it and this

802
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: is the thing you're looking at, like, yo, let's do that.

803
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: I'm here. I don't know, val have different opinion. You're

804
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: going to be more successful together you all.

805
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, some is greater than its parts. Look at

806
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: the Kardashians, the kar the Hilton and the Kardashians, the Kardashians.

807
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: Look at Schimerkovski's I'm dancing with the stars.

808
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: Look at them. No, but yeah, but I'm saying they

809
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: have an entertainment empire.

810
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: It's not even that, it's just mathematics.

811
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: No, you're right, by the way, I'm sorry, retraction. Look

812
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: at the Schmarkrovsky's because it's an immigrant family that is

813
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: in this country that came into fame later and relevance,

814
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: but also comes from more humble beginnings. It's more similar.

815
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: It's a fact.

816
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: And mathematically, there was one of me, right, and then

817
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: there was two of us, and out of the male

818
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: representatives of dancing in television, we all all of a

819
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: sudden became twenty percent of the whole thing. Then it

820
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: became Jen and Pira in the stars in their own mind,

821
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: we are now literally a third of all the dance.

822
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: I like it.

823
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: We're like the monarchies from back in the day. You know,

824
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: we're just marrying into empires.

825
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: Like dance Empire. That should be the reality show. Can

826
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: I produce it called dance Empire? Just of your family family?

827
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm Gonna. I'd like to call it dance Empire. Actually,

828
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: I'd like it to be I'd like to I'd like

829
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm writing this down. I swear to God can be.

830
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: The writing if you want. But I'm saying, like, listen,

831
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: I think they need to come to Jesus moment or

832
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: whatever they're into and Teresa and the her brother and Joe.

833
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be the fams first. It should be just

834
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: the two of them figure this out first. So Teresa

835
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: doesn't have a family with with with Joe Judice or

836
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: whatever his name is, like, they're not together.

837
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: It's Teresa and Joe Gorgon need to work this out.

838
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: And Melissa's gonna have to sit this one. This is

839
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: our advice. Listen to us. Okay, this is our advice. Yes,

840
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: it's going to be Teresa and Joe have to work

841
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: this out, no matter what it takes. If you have

842
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: to get into a room for for four days, go

843
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: to retreat. I have a guy named Breck that could

844
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: do it for them. So I have a guy. He's amazing.

845
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: He's not about like touching feely, he's not about like

846
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: your feelings when you were a kid and freud and

847
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: what it meant that you. You know, your father was

848
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: me and to you. He doesn't care about that. He

849
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: cares but right now, and he would get in a

850
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: room with them for four days, the two of them,

851
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: just on a retreat, and they would come out and

852
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: it would be different, and then Melissa and they could

853
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: full than the other members of the family. I'm proposing this.

854
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: I'm actually proposing this. I know the guy who could

855
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: do it. And it's not like those two little babies

856
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: that we're putting them in a circle, like a prairie

857
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: circle to work the shit out. It's like a real

858
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: guy who I'm.

859
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: Going to say right now that on the heels of

860
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: all of this and correct me if I'm wrong. They're

861
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: coming together and actually forming this unit and all of

862
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: a sudden being that would be shockingly better television and

863
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: draw arguably more at the moment than if they're just

864
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: going to continue being this like predictable punch each other

865
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 2: in the face.

866
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to pay them to do it. I'm gonna pay.

867
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm going to pay to.

868
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: Pay out the dance thing situation we're just talking about.

869
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well she.

870
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 4: Got enough money for both, she'll produced.

871
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I want to pay them to do this

872
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: with this guy because we had the idea together. I'll

873
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: have you guys got I'm being serious. I want to pay.

874
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: We'll do it on YouTube, something very low lift and

875
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: easy that like we don't have to bulk up with

876
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: six months of preparation. We're really going to pay them if.

877
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: They can be helped, anyone can be helped.

878
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, I'm getting off this call and

879
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay it. I'm gonna pay the I'm gonna

880
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: figure this out. I'm gonna call Paul because we're producing

881
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: my YouTube thing. Wait, this was a gem of a show.

882
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: But you see, like it sounds like a stupid show

883
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: when you tell someone, oh, we're breaking down housewives, but

884
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: it's like in this way you know about dynamics, so

885
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: it's difficult.

886
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: Well because yeah, because it's a human experience. Thank you,

887
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, we could learn from each other's experiences.

888
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: I feel like if I have when I have other

889
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: family dynamic things. I'm gonna call you guys again because

890
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: this is so good, and my producer shout out to

891
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: them for thinking of you two. It's a Jersey, it's

892
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: b siblings, it's three like family and like immigrant. It

893
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: was a very good pairing for you guys for this episode.

894
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm really psyched. So all right, what do you guys

895
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: each promoting? If you have anything you want to talk about,

896
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: just because.

897
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: We're actually for that purpose, I know.

898
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: What do you do launching a wine?

899
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: We're waiting for you. No, we launched a show, a

900
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: brand new stage production. Uh that VALAINI starting in. It's

901
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: not a maxim Vale show. It's us starting in a

902
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: wine tasting experience. You get a fly wine. We pair

903
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: it with arms performance is illusion. We have this incredible

904
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: cast of dances and this is basically a product that

905
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: we're starting in that because we wanted to be staple

906
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: made in that book. And then it's.

907
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: Going to go list and you can take it on

908
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: the road and take it out of places.

909
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 4: It's a wine it's a wine tasting cabaret. We pair

910
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 4: it up with local Napa Valley vineyards and wines. Every

911
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 4: week we feature a new local wine and it's a

912
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: fire show that everybody should come.

913
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: You should definitely consider doing it in the Hampton's because

914
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: it's a wealthy community and there are a lot of

915
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: wineries right on this other fork. So like where everybody is.

916
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: It's twenty minutes away and people go do wine tasting.

917
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: So it's like and they're wineries right here, like a

918
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: block from my house, Wolfur and Channing, and it's like

919
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: a very You have both a wealthy community looking for

920
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: things to do, entertainment and obviously of the great you know,

921
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: the great wine.

922
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: So you have a good for south of France after

923
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: this snap experience. But we can help buy it.

924
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: We have a winery. Look up Chateau Rubine. They make

925
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: my Forever Young wine, which got the highest rating ever

926
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: in US ninety three for this rose. And the woman

927
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: who owns it and thank you.

928
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: Definitely comes see the show because you're gonna want something I.

929
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: Would love to. But look up this vinyard. This woman

930
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: who owns this winery, it's a family, Her family runs it.

931
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: LVMH offered her a lot of money to buy it,

932
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: and she turned it down because she's all about family

933
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: and there's no amount of money to take away her

934
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: family home. But it's We landed in a helicopter right

935
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: on in the middle of the winery and it's the

936
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: most beautiful place you've ever seen in your life. It

937
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: looks like it's out of a movie. It's crazy so

938
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: looking up Chateau Rubin as Valerie owns it.

939
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: Now by at the moment, it's just so gorgeous.

940
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: We've never been done amazing. All right, Well, congratulations, thank

941
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: you guys, Thank you so much. This was amazing.

942
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 3: Beyond saver afterhours dot.

943
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Speaker 1: Com sayan after hours dot com. Okay, great, thank you

944
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: so much. Congratulations and really wonderful, so excited, Thank you

945
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: so much. That was extraordinary. Like I have to say,

946
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: that was really wonderful. I was not expecting that. I

947
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: thought it was so interesting and we weren't going scene

948
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: by scene as we often do. I mean, the whole

949
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: meat of the matter is really Teresa and Joe and Melissa.

950
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: But these two are right, Valen Maas are right that

951
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: it's about their conflict, and I want to I'm not.

952
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: The problem is Bravo would never allow it, so I can't.

953
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: I can't pay them to do it, but I would

954
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: love to see them get together and like, really, the

955
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: two of them just have to hash it out. I

956
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: do have a guy for this,