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Speaker 1: to someone who was there that day, who was covering

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Speaker 2: So he was there that day.

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Speaker 1: He's also been a part of investigating what happened that day.

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Speaker 1: Take as someone who was there that day as a journalist,

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Speaker 2: There's also been a.

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Speaker 1: a better tomorrow. Well, Steve Baker, it's great to have

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Speaker 1: Do you think we'll ever get I guess we'll just

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Speaker 4: there was actually violence going on. Because one of the

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Speaker 4: oathkeepers walked up and said, what's hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 4: what's going on? He's trying to de escalate and and

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Speaker 4: he and Officer Done said.

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Speaker 3: You guys are killing us out here. He goes, what

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Speaker 3: are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: He said, he said, they're they're they're carrying us out.

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Speaker 4: You're dozens of us. They're carrying dozens of our cops

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Speaker 4: out on stretchers. And this particular oarthkeeper's name is Ken Harrilson.

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Speaker 4: He's like, it's all on video. He's like, really, he

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Speaker 4: was stunned. He hadn't seen any violence whatsoever all day,

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Speaker 4: and yet he's inside the middle of the Capitol and

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Speaker 4: never saw one moment of violence up to that point.

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Speaker 1: We know Ashley Babbitt, one of the Trump supporters, was

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Speaker 1: shot and killed that day by one of the office

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Police officers.

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Speaker 2: So we have this.

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice watchdog report that found that the FBI

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Speaker 1: had twenty six confidential human sources at the Capitol on

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Speaker 1: January sixth, twenty twenty one. Now, the media, you know,

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Speaker 1: CNN and political et cetera. I've tried to downplay this

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Speaker 1: by emphasis emphasizing that the report said that FBI had

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Speaker 1: no under cover ations at the Capitol. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of playing these semantics games with you know, the

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Speaker 1: government's involvement that day and the events I guess probably

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Speaker 1: you know leading up to it as well in the

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Speaker 1: aftermath from from your investigating what level of involvement.

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Speaker 2: Has our has our own government had in all of this?

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Speaker 4: And only own in my yeah, in my initial writings

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Speaker 4: about this, I called the the I believe it was

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Speaker 4: a setup to begin with, and number one, so did

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Speaker 4: the Capitol Police frontline officers. I have interviewed dozens and

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Speaker 4: dozens of these officers, not only privates, you know, foot soldiers,

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Speaker 4: frontline guys, you know, glorified security guards, glorified tour guides,

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Speaker 4: whatever you want to call them. I've interviewed them. I've

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Speaker 4: interviewed captains, I've interviewed the chief several times, Chief steven Son,

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Speaker 4: I've interviewed basically somebody at every rank in the department.

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Speaker 3: As I put this together, it.

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Speaker 4: Is overwhelmingly, almost to a man and a woman in

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Speaker 4: that department, the belief that they themselves have that they

478
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Speaker 4: were set up that day to fail, set.

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Speaker 3: Up to fail.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of reasons for that. Under deployment

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Speaker 4: of their forces that day, they had over two thousand

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Speaker 4: uniformed officers available to them. The commander who had control

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Speaker 4: of the interior security that day had less than two

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Speaker 4: hundred office is available to him under his command. There

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Speaker 4: were COVID protocols, there were roughly seventy percent of the

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Speaker 4: department was on quote unquote administrative lea. Now can you

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Speaker 4: imagine uniform officers are telecommuting just I mean, try to

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Speaker 4: wrap your around that they're working from home. How do

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Speaker 4: you do that when on all occasions, when there are

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Speaker 4: scheduled protest events. And remember I said at the very

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Speaker 4: beginning of this call for this interview that the Capitol

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Speaker 4: Police themselves Assistant Chief Yoganan to Pittman had signed off

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Speaker 4: on six First Amendment protest events on the capital property

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Speaker 4: that day. That means by rule that it's all boots

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Speaker 4: on the ground, and that all of the officers are then,

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Speaker 4: by rule and by process to work double ships on

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Speaker 4: a First Amendment protest. January sixth is one of those days.

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Speaker 4: July fourth is one of those days. The twentieth January

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Speaker 4: twenty is one.

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Speaker 3: Of those days.

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Speaker 4: And yet they had by my initial visual observation, only

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Speaker 4: about two hundred and that was confirmed by the ground

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Speaker 4: commander to me in an interview that that's it roughly,

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Speaker 4: that was exactly what he had available to him at

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Speaker 4: that time. There was a deliberate under deployment of.

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Speaker 3: Forces that day.

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Speaker 4: So I believe that January sixth was allowed to happen.

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Speaker 4: It was set up to fail and let's see where

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Speaker 4: it goes. And I even went so far as in

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Speaker 4: one of my earlier stories way early in January twenty

511
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Speaker 4: twenty one February, I wrote that I called it a ropodope.

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Speaker 4: It was like you know old Muhammad Ali boxing movies,

513
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Speaker 4: like let him in, Let them in, Let them in,

514
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Speaker 4: and then okay, we got them, and that's what happened.

515
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Speaker 4: They ended up establishing and capturing a narrative that may

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Speaker 4: be the most successful capture by the left side of

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Speaker 4: the political spectrum in our nation's history. It was devastating,

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Speaker 4: so much so that to this day, so many of

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Speaker 4: the Republican Congress members are nervous. They think that the

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Speaker 4: topic itself is toxic. We have news agencies, some of

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Speaker 4: the biggest ones on the right hand side will not

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Speaker 4: even report on January sixth stories as a result of

523
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Speaker 4: what they believe is the toxic, toxic narrative loss of

524
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Speaker 4: that day. They just don't want to go there. But

525
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Speaker 4: it's not going to go wayly, So this is going

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Speaker 4: to continue for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think it's it's news obviously, and

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Speaker 1: you know it's still being used politically, so therefore it's

529
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Speaker 1: you know, still relevant to be having these conversations. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, also they'll probably be pardons when you know,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump takes office, right, so this is you know,

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Speaker 1: going to continue to be you know, an important news event.

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Speaker 1: And we also saw how the FBI you know, used

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Speaker 1: in a sort of a similar vein with the Gretchen

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Speaker 1: Whitmer kidnapping plot as well. So, I mean this is

536
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Speaker 1: not like new for the FBI and in our government

537
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Speaker 1: to be engaged, you know.

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Speaker 2: To some degree.

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Speaker 1: Right, Uh, why why do you think we've not been

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Speaker 1: able to find the individual who laid pipe bombs at

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Speaker 1: the d n C and the RNC.

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Speaker 4: I've worked directly with former members of the FBI, including

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Speaker 4: one who has was assigned to that detail, to investigate

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Speaker 4: and track down that particular bomber. And according to him, Uh,

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Speaker 4: this is a deliberate cover up. First of all, we know,

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Speaker 4: we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that those

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Speaker 4: bombs were inert They were not designed to explode or

548
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Speaker 4: do any damage. They h This was told to the

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Speaker 4: investigative agents at the time. And the reason why this

550
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: was told to the investigative agents is because they have

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Speaker 4: to take on a different posture if they are looking

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Speaker 4: for a terrorist element of a person that may have

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Speaker 4: been engaged in terrorism.

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Speaker 3: Was this a fake bomb or was this a real bomb?

555
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: Is this a real threat? So when we set up

556
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Speaker 3: and we start.

557
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Speaker 4: Doing observations and we start doing surveillance at this guy's

558
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Speaker 4: house or whoever we're following or whoever we're about to

559
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Speaker 4: come in contact with what is his threat level to us?

560
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Speaker 4: They have to establish that first, and they were told

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Speaker 4: by their own command level higher ups in the agency

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Speaker 4: that the bombs were inert And this was early on.

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Speaker 4: And then I got access to Capital CCTV cameras that

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Speaker 4: had never been released, and actually I was the first

565
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Speaker 4: one to release the actual demolition of one of those

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Speaker 4: bombs by one of the Capitol Police bomb robots. And

567
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Speaker 4: and in fact, it was it just went. It was

568
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Speaker 4: like it was hit with a water cannon burst and

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Speaker 4: it just it just kind of fell apart. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it didn't there was no explosive content to it whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: So what's interesting is, you know, obviously they had the

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Speaker 1: January sixth Select Committee that you know, made this very

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Speaker 1: political heading into the mid term election, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Democrats kind of try to revive a lot of this

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Speaker 1: stuff heading into the twenty twenty four election as well.

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Speaker 1: But Chairman or the Committee on House Administrations Subcommittee on Oversight,

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Speaker 1: say that five times fast, yeah, chairman. Later, so they

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Speaker 1: came out with a report and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: find I'm sure you're very familiar with it, but the

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Speaker 1: findings about Liz Cheney are are interesting. And you know,

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Speaker 1: they alleged that she coluded with one of the star witnesses,

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Speaker 1: Cassidy Hutchinson, without Hutchinson's attorney being aware. They believe she

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Speaker 1: should be investigated for a potential criminal witness tampering. You know,

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Speaker 1: I guess what do you make of that report? And

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Speaker 1: do you do you think that these allegations and concerns

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Speaker 1: about Liz Cheney are valid?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, as it relates to louder Milk's

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Speaker 4: Committee's report, I have great confidence in it. Primarily for

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Speaker 4: over two years now. I have worked very very closely

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Speaker 4: with his staff and his investigators on that. A lot

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Speaker 4: of the information in that report is information that we

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Speaker 4: brought to the him that they weren't aware of, and

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Speaker 4: that is has been a cooperative part of as I

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Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, of us putting the pieces of this puzzle together.

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Speaker 4: I don't have I do not have the same confidence

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Speaker 4: in the IG report that you mentioned earlier with regards

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Speaker 4: to the confidential human sources of the FBI in the crowd,

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Speaker 4: this was a that was a whitewash and a diversion.

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Speaker 4: And the reason why I say that is admitting to

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Speaker 4: the fact that there were twenty six confidential human sources

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Speaker 4: of the FBI in that crowd was a diversion. It

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Speaker 4: also in that report said that there was no evidence

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Speaker 4: of FBI undercover in the crowd, but it also did

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Speaker 4: not go to the The crux of the matter is

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Speaker 4: that there were probably two hundred or more plain clothes

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Speaker 4: FBI agents in that crowd that put on you know,

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Speaker 4: because plane FBI now, they don't they don't look like

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Speaker 4: the agents from the you know, the the Hoover era era.

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Speaker 4: They don't wear the black suits and the ties and

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Speaker 4: you know, and they're the you know, the straight g

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Speaker 4: men kind of look that we grew up watching on television.

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Speaker 4: They wear polos, you know, docs dockers and jeans and

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Speaker 4: flannel shirts.

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Speaker 3: And they were just a few blocks.

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Speaker 4: Away from the Capitol, down at the Hoover Building, at

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Speaker 4: the FBI Washington Field office. They probably put on their

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Speaker 4: winter coats and ball caps are our beanies, and their

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Speaker 4: COVID masks, and they walked down and mingled in the crowd.

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Speaker 4: And that in itself is not nefarious because honestly lie.

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Speaker 4: So that's what we expect from our law enforcement is

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Speaker 4: the one moral function of government is to protect its citizens.

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Speaker 4: From forest and fraud, and we would expect for those

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Speaker 4: plane clothes FBI special agents to be in the crowd

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Speaker 4: in a surveillance kind of mode looking for ne'er do

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Speaker 4: wells and people that would want to do something wrong,

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Speaker 4: particularly provocateurs, violent perpetrators, and that they would intervene if

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Speaker 4: they could.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 4: The nefarious part of that is is that in what

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Speaker 4: was not covered by that report is that there was

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Speaker 4: a much larger federal presence there in that crowd than

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Speaker 4: anybody has yet to admit to.

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Speaker 3: Because if they admit to.

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Speaker 4: It, then they have to answer for why they did

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Speaker 4: not help and intervene in the violence, helping Capitol police,

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Speaker 4: helping Metropolitan police, and stopping the breach of the capital.

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Speaker 4: The only answer for that is is that's because that

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Speaker 4: was what was designing to happen.

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Speaker 1: Lisa or call nine seven to two Patriot. Where does

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Speaker 1: this all you know go from here? I mean I

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: know that you know President elect Donald Trump has said

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Speaker 1: that you know he wants to issue pardons for individuals

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00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: who are involved with January six. You know, I guess

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Speaker 1: if you had to sum it up in you know,

667
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Speaker 1: maybe like a thirty second you know, I guess, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to figure out how to like

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Speaker 1: read it correctly, right, because you know, it was not

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Speaker 1: the violent insurrection that the media talks about.

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Speaker 2: Was it a great day?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Were some people involved in bad things?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Was the government also involved in trying to incite

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00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: that day for political reasons? It sure does look so, so,

676
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's it's not.

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00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: I guess.

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00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: I guess the truth is still not being told about

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00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: it in the sense of it's it's none of the

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00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: things that anyone really you know, it's more convoluted than

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Speaker 1: I guess it's it's being portrayed.

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Speaker 2: Is that is that accurate?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a very complicated situation. It's not only

684
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: complicated about what happened that day and trying to investigate

685
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: who you know, lit that match, started that fire that day.

686
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: That's that's part of the story.

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00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 4: Then the the worst part of the story, and I

688
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: think is the most important part. And I have actually

689
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 4: I wagged my finger in Speaker Johnson's face. I've wagged

690
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: my finger in Jim Jordan's face, and I've told both

691
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: of them, sirs, with all due respect, you do not

692
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 4: understand the enormity of what the aftermath is. And that

693
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: aftermath is is what's been established for the last three

694
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: years in federal court and the precedents that are being

695
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: set by the Department of Justice as it relates to

696
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: the punishments and the prosecutions and the SWAT raids on

697
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: misdemeanor defendants. You understand, in the one hundred plus year

698
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: history of the FBI, the FBI never so much as

699
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: ever investigated misdemeanor crimes. That's not what they do. And

700
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: then suddenly, post January sixth, they're not only investigating and

701
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: arresting misdemeanor which is not the job of the FBI,

702
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: they're sending out SWAT teams with twelve fifteen over twenty agents,

703
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: putting the dots on foreheads and on the wife's nighty

704
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: at six point thirty in the morning, and on the

705
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: children as they come out on the porch as their

706
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: dad is being arrested for nonviolent misdemeanor offenses. And then

707
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: when you take it from there and then go into

708
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 4: the legal process, and then you start watching how they're

709
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 4: being charged and then how much severe their penalties are

710
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: based on. And here's the and this is it. It's

711
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: all based on the words that you have used on

712
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: social media prior to the event, after the event, or

713
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 4: even what you said on the day and was captured

714
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 4: on camera. Myself. For instance, Ryan Riley of NBC News,

715
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 4: he tweeted after my arrest on March first. The next

716
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 4: day he tweeted out he said, had the words that

717
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Speaker 4: Steve Baker, the words that Steve Baker used before he

718
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Speaker 4: got to the capitol and after he left the Capitol.

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Speaker 4: Had he not said those words, his case must most

720
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Speaker 4: surely would not have been brought. And you know what

721
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: that word was Sitting in my hotel room with my

722
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 4: colleague with an adult beverage that night in Virginia, long

723
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Speaker 4: after I've left the capitol. I'm not on the property,

724
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: I'm not even in the district. We turn on the

725
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 4: video we are live streaming, and we're doing kind of

726
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 4: a debrief of the day, and with an adult beverage

727
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: in my hand, I jokingly made a comment about what

728
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: we were seeing on the news at that moment. They

729
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 4: were actually talking about the possibility or that somebody had

730
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Speaker 4: allegedly stolen one of Nancy Pelosi's laptops.

731
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Speaker 3: Were in a complete gest mode with us laughing about it.

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Speaker 4: I made the comment, I said, I said, man, my

733
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Speaker 4: only regret of the day is I didn't steal Nancy

734
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Speaker 4: Pelosi's computer. Can you imagine, now I'm an investigati journalists.

735
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Speaker 4: Can you imagine what would learn about the government if

736
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Speaker 4: I got my hands on that computer?

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Speaker 3: Ha ha ha ha ha.

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Speaker 4: And then I said, I said, but when I went

739
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Speaker 4: down into the speaker's hallway, and I said this, and

740
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Speaker 4: I said, I saw that there had been damage done,

741
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Speaker 4: that they had been overturning tables and rifling through bookshelves

742
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Speaker 4: and all of this, and there was damage done. And

743
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Speaker 4: I said this exact word, I said, Unfortunately, I saw

744
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 4: that they had been ransacking her office. So I turned

745
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Speaker 4: around and got the hell out of there. And it's interesting,

746
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: but I said unfortunately, And I said, but you know,

747
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bitch.

748
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Speaker 3: So I said that in my hotel room.

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Speaker 4: That is what the FBI used, because they said that

750
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Speaker 4: reflected my state of mind that day. And this has

751
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: happened in every single case, is that people's words, their

752
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 4: first amended First Amendment protected right to think and say

753
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: what they believe, good, bad, ugly, it doesn't matter, is

754
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Speaker 4: being used against them to increase the severity of their

755
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Speaker 4: penalty in these charges.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting because yeah, and a lot of the reporting

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Speaker 1: about you. You know, that comment obviously makes its way

758
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Speaker 1: in the articles you know about it, but the context

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Speaker 1: you provided does paint, you know, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a different picture as well. But you know, context is

761
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Speaker 1: often left out and these sort of things, and you know,

762
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Speaker 1: in the pursuit of a narrative, I guess, when did

763
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Speaker 1: you find out that you know, you were being charged?

764
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Speaker 1: And you know, walk us through that a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the FBI did not contact me until July of

766
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Speaker 4: twenty one, so six months later, and when it was

767
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: a special agent Doss from Raleigh, North Carolina. He called

768
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Speaker 4: me and introduced himself and I said, wow, what took

769
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Speaker 4: you so long? You know, six months later, because I've

770
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Speaker 4: been very open, My videos were already published, I'd written stories.

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Speaker 4: My my videos have been licensed by and used by

772
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Speaker 4: the New York Times and their documentary, the HBO documentary,

773
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Speaker 4: and new services all over the world. And that was

774
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Speaker 4: what I said, was, Wow, it took you so long.

775
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: He laughed, and then he said, look, I see that

776
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Speaker 4: you're tomorrow night. You're speaking at an event just outside

777
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Speaker 4: of DC, and this is going to be on a

778
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: This was a Thursday morning, and I was going to

779
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Speaker 4: be speaking at this event on a Friday night.

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Speaker 3: And he said, I'm just.

781
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Speaker 4: Wondering if you had, you know, if you're coming in early,

782
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 4: you know that maybe you could sit down and talk

783
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 4: to us for a couple hours.

784
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Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, I'm.

785
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Speaker 4: Going to be in town early, I said, but the

786
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 4: reality is, I said, unfortunately, my attorney's not going to

787
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 4: be there, and so probably not a good idea. He said, oh, okay,

788
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: and we can reschedule that. So they did set up

789
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Speaker 4: a cooperative interview. Uh, there was an intervention, and the

790
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: first interview that was set up, they actually aborted the

791
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: interview in August of twenty one because as soon as

792
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: we myself and my attorney arrived at the FBI Field office,

793
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 4: they had gotten a call from DC and said you

794
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 4: can't interview him. He's a member of the media. To

795
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: be honest with you, I didn't even know that was

796
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 4: a thing, but sure, enough. In the US Code, there

797
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: is a provision there that no member of the media

798
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Speaker 4: or press can be interviewed by any federal agency without

799
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 4: express written permission from the Attorney General's Office. So that

800
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 4: had to happen first, and so then there was a

801
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: back and forth negotiation between my attorney and the US

802
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 4: Attorney General's office, and we finally agreed to the terms

803
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 4: of the interview, and that took place in October of

804
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Speaker 4: twenty one. Then on November seventeenth of twenty one, my

805
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: attorney received an email from an assistant US attorney out

806
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Speaker 4: of Philadelphia. Her name is Anita Eve, in which she

807
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: said stated in the email and I quote, I have

808
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: this email, she said, your client will be charged within

809
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: the week. That was the week before or Thanksgiving twenty one. Well,

810
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: we went into immediately a press offensive. I was doing newspaper, magazine, podcast,

811
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Speaker 4: media interviews talking about this eminent prosecution of a journalist,

812
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 4: and we apparently were successful and backed them off because

813
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: we never heard from the DOJ again for twenty months.

814
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 3: They went silent.

815
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Speaker 4: So they went from informing my attorney that I would

816
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Speaker 4: be charged within the week quote unquote to disappearing for

817
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: twenty months. Not a word, not a peak, nothing. I

818
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: would go to my attorney and say, should we reach

819
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: out and see what's going on. He's like, no, no, no, no, noe,

820
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 4: you never do that. Let them come to us. And

821
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Speaker 4: then twenty months later, in August or the last actually

822
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Speaker 4: the last week of July of twenty three last year,

823
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: I was notified through my attorney's office that I was

824
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: going to be receiving a grand jury subpoena, which he

825
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 4: picked up on I think it was August first, Monday

826
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Speaker 4: morning or something like that.

827
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Speaker 3: He went by the field office and picked up a.

828
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Speaker 4: Subpoena and they were subpoena subpoena in all of my

829
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 4: work from the day, and so right then we knew

830
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 4: that they were investigating me yet again. But the frightening

831
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 4: part about that, Lisa, was that grand juries are not

832
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: seated for misdemeanor investigations. It's only for felonies. And I'm like,

833
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 4: what in the world I mean? I did no violence

834
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: that day. I behaved myself like a journalist that day.

835
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Speaker 4: But as I said to you earlier, once I was

836
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Speaker 4: on the property, I was in you know, I was

837
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: in journalist mode and well.

838
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Speaker 1: And you were engaging in journalism before the before the

839
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Speaker 1: Capitol Hall events.

840
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Speaker 4: I believe it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and so and

841
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 4: so I uh uh I was.

842
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: I was just stunned.

843
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: And so we complied to the subpoena and we had

844
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: delivered uh my, my, my videos, and then we didn't

845
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 4: hear from them again until mid December. I was actually

846
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: sitting in Thomas Massey's office when I got a call

847
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: from my attorney and he said, Okay, this is the

848
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: big one, and I'm like really, he said, yep, they

849
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: want you to turn yourself in next week, voluntary submission

850
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 4: of yourself to the FBI, and then they'll process you

851
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 4: and go from there. And so at this point now

852
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: I'm working for the Blaze and so Glenn Beck and

853
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 4: company all went into high gear and another media blitz happened,

854
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: much larger this time than the previous effort that we

855
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 4: had done a year and a half earlier, and they

856
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: backed off again. So we get a call within less

857
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 4: than twenty four hours from the lead FBI agent who

858
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: had my case, telling my attorney that they decided that

859
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 4: they were going to go ahead and wait until after

860
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 4: the holidays before they would have me turn myself in.

861
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Speaker 4: So We didn't hear from them until the end of

862
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: February this year, and I was required to submit myself

863
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: to the FBI on March first, and that was I

864
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 4: was actually here in Dallas at Blaze headquarters at that time,

865
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Speaker 4: so we rather than doing it in my home district

866
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Speaker 4: in North Carolina, I went to the FBI field office

867
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Speaker 4: at seven o'clock in the morning. They actually sent my

868
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Speaker 4: attorney an email with instructions on how I was to arrive.

869
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Speaker 4: They told me that I needed to arrive in shorts,

870
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Speaker 4: a T shirt and flip flops.

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Speaker 3: At seven am. Yes, they wanted to right shorts, T

872
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: shirts and flip flop. We have the email.

873
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: And the reason for that is is that would be

874
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: easier to transfer me into one of those orange jumpsuits

875
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: and the leg chains and such as that.

876
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: For a misdemeanor for misdemeanors, that's.

877
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 4: Correct, four non violent misdemeanors, and it's the bait what

878
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 4: we call, you know, the January sixth community, we call

879
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: them the basic four. It's you know, it's the parading

880
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: and picketing, which of course that's absurd. I didn't no

881
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 4: such thing. I didn't have a flag. I wasn't wearing

882
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: any Trump gear. I wasn't wearing any political statement on

883
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: my clothing whatsoever. As I said, I had a backpack

884
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: with you know, tripod and camera gear, battery packs, you know,

885
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: man on the street, microphone, all all that.

886
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: That was all I all I had on me.

887
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: And then I arrived at seven am the next morning

888
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 4: wearing a full suit coat and tie, you know, the

889
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: whole thing. I was not going to allow them to

890
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 4: humiliate me that way, and so my attorneys. I had

891
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 4: three or four of my attorneys there with me that day,

892
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 4: and they went up and negotiated with the FBI agents

893
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 4: at the at the main gate there. They said, he's

894
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: not wearing shirt, you know, a T shirt and shorts

895
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 4: and flip flops. And they said, okay, well he's got

896
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 4: a we're not going to make We're not going to

897
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: put him in an orange jumpsuit. Just he has to

898
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 4: take his tie off, his belt off, his shoelaces off.

899
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: So I did all of that and then they put me.

900
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: They processed me, fingerprinted me, put me in handcuffs, took

901
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: me to one of their cars, put me in the

902
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: back of the car, and then they drove me down

903
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: to the Federal courthouse in downtown Dallas, where they handed

904
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 4: me over to the US Marshals who then proceeded to

905
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: put me in leg chains and belly chains, and then

906
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: they locked me in a cage with a meth dealer for.

907
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: Five hours for nonviolent misdemeanors.

908
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 4: For nonviolent mesemeanors. And then when I was walked out

909
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 4: in leg chains into the courtroom in front of the magistrate.

910
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: There in Dallas, there were other hearings going on with

911
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: felony defend it's not January sixth, but felons, violent drugs,

912
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. And there were felony defendants sitting

913
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: in the courtroom with their attorneys who were allowed to

914
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: voluntarily come to their processing hearing or their arraignment, and

915
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 4: they were allowed to wear their suits and the nice

916
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 4: dresses and sit in the gallery with their attorneys. But

917
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: I was forced to sit with the drug dealers in

918
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 4: leg chains.

919
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: So I mean, part of it's just an intentional shaming,

920
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: correct by the government. So that's pretty remarkable, So I

921
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: believe if I'm remembering correctly, He said it was six

922
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: months from the day of January six, twenty twenty one

923
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: before you even heard anything. And then it was another

924
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: twenty months before they actually followed through with what they

925
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: had previously said they were. So then, I mean, that's

926
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: a significant period of time to lapse.

927
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, is my timeline correct if that or.

928
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: Is it well?

929
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: Putting it all together, it was six months before they

930
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 4: ever contacted me. It was then it was ten and

931
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: a half months before they told me I was being charged,

932
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: and then they went silent for twenty months, and then

933
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 4: it was not until August of last year that I

934
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 4: got the grand jury subpoena. Then they went silent again

935
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 4: for another four month, didn't hear from them till December.

936
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: Then they went silent again till they told me that

937
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 4: I was going to have to turn myself in on

938
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: March first, and that was of this year. So that

939
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 4: entire process was over three years before they ever even

940
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 4: came to the conclusion that they were going to charge me.

941
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: No part of that was because of the profile that

942
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: I have, and then of course because I then was

943
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 4: subsequently hired by the Blaze, they knew. And this is

944
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 4: two of my attorneys are former federal prosecutors themselves twenty

945
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 4: plus years each. Both of them formerly assistant US Attorneys,

946
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 4: and they obviously know the system and they know the game,

947
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 4: and they what they told me was is that the

948
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 4: DJ really struggled with bringing charges against me because they

949
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 4: knew the pr black eye that they were going to

950
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 4: have to take in order to do that. But I

951
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: was in another unique situation is that I had been

952
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: embarrassing them for over two years with my reporting on

953
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: the Capitol Police. We had uncovered so much corruption, We

954
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 4: had uncovered perjuries in trials by Capitol Police officers, suborned

955
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: by the DOJ itself. All of this is on the record.

956
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 4: None of it has been able to they've not been

957
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: able to refute any of it. And at one point

958
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 4: the General Council, and because of a source, we have

959
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 4: a DOJ in DC, the General Counsel of the Capitol

960
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 4: Police had Tobias. He actually phoned in one day. There

961
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 4: was a shouting match which our source said that mister

962
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 4: Tobias screamed at the assistant US attorney and said put

963
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 4: him in prison, referring to me. And so I was

964
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 4: a special case. And then I was assigned a special judge,

965
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 4: Judge Christopher Cooper. He famously, as you recall, two weeks

966
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: before I was arrested. He was the one that held

967
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: Catherine herriage in contempt for not turning over her sources

968
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: under a court order, her particular story that she was

969
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: working on. You might remember that.

970
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: He also coincidentally at his wedding. The efficient of Judge

971
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: Cooper's wedding was none other than Attorney General Merrick Garland. Yeah,

972
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: it's that absurd. This is the stuff you can't make up.

973
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 4: And then throughout my process and all of my hearings

974
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 4: with Judge Cooper, he never gave us any ground whatsoever.

975
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 4: He denied every motion we ever asked for. As I said,

976
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 4: he denied our motions for learning what the investigation status

977
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 4: was on the other eighty two hundred journalists that walked

978
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 4: through the open doors or went through broken windows that

979
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 4: day and why they were not being charged that he

980
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 4: denied his access to that. And finally, on my pre

981
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 4: trial hearing was the day after the election this year,

982
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 4: the day after he was not in a good mood,

983
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 4: and we were actually kind of upbeat at where we

984
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 4: were at the time because we thought we were going

985
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 4: to get that discovery from the government was a very

986
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: reasonable request. We were in the middle of a selective

987
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: prosecution defense, you know, building that building, that that defense,

988
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: and he just deny, and I deny, deny. I'll see

989
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 4: you next Tuesday. And we got off of that. We

990
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: got out of that hearing. I got on a zoom

991
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: call with all all of my attorneys and one of

992
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 4: the attorneys a former federal prosecutor. He first thing he

993
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 4: said when we got on the zoom call is he said,

994
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: he said, you understand that the only thing he's about

995
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 4: to put you through is a shaming exercise. I said, exactly,

996
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not doing it, and so we notified

997
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 4: the court. I told them attorneys notified the court, notified

998
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: the DOJ. I am not going to trial. I am

999
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 4: going to plead guilty to all four misdemeanors. I'm going

1000
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: to deny them the right to put me through a

1001
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 4: shaming exercise if we can't offer up the defense that

1002
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 4: we deserve to offer up, which is the selective prosecution.

1003
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 4: And to show the other eighty to one hundred journalists

1004
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 4: that were not being prosecuted for this. And by the way,

1005
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 4: we had examples of previous journalists being prosecuted, so I

1006
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 4: know the process. I covered their trials. I was there,

1007
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 4: and so we knew exactly what they were what they

1008
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 4: were going to do to me, and I said, no,

1009
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 4: they're not. I'm going to take that away from them.

1010
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: So the very next week, on November twelfth, I arrived

1011
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 4: in DC had my what would have been the beginning

1012
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 4: of my trial date. I pled guilty. The judge was

1013
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 4: very angry at me because I would not recite the

1014
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: words in the manner exactly that he required of me.

1015
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: He was about to hold me in contempt. I finally

1016
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: looked at one of my attorneys and I said, looked

1017
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 4: at the judge. I said, to your honor, can I

1018
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 4: have a moment with my attorneys? And he was very disgusting.

1019
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 4: He said, yeah, sure, and so we walk off into

1020
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 4: a corner and had a private conversation with my attorneys.

1021
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: Came back and I.

1022
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 4: Recited the words close enough to the judges pleasure, and

1023
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 4: then he said He looked at the clerk of the court,

1024
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: he said, so okay. He said, when is mister Baker's

1025
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 4: sentencing hearing? And she typed on her computer. She said

1026
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 4: that'll be.

1027
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: March the sixth at ten am.

1028
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: He said, all right. And then this is where Judge

1029
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 4: Cooper committed the greatest unforced error. He said, Okay, mister Baker.

1030
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 4: He goes, since we're likely not going to see each

1031
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 4: other in March, and I went, wow, he just admitted

1032
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: in open court that even these trial judges are expecting

1033
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 4: pardons to come. He said, Since I'm not going to

1034
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: see you in March, he says, I'm going to hazard

1035
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: his exact words, to go ahead and deliver to you

1036
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 4: my remarks that I would normally give you in a

1037
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: sentencing hearing. And then Lisa, he sent. He proceeded to

1038
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 4: dress me down. Not for my behavior on January sixth,

1039
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 4: because that was professional. All thirty seven minutes of my

1040
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 4: time in the Capitol is documented by video, and it's

1041
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: available to the public at anytime. It's on YouTube, anybody

1042
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: can see it. But he dressed me down for my

1043
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 4: journalism post January sixth, including phrases like he dressed me

1044
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 4: down for saying phrases like the weaponized Department of Justice

1045
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 4: and phrases like the bias of the court and having

1046
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 4: used those phrases in my post January sixth commentary. He

1047
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: literally criticized me for my journalism, my First Amendment protected speech.

1048
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: Before we go, I guess it's probably loaded to question,

1049
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: but how is this reshaped and shaped your viewpoint of

1050
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: the world when it comes to the media, when it

1051
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: comes to the justice system.

1052
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 4: Well, I think my my reshaping and really honed experience

1053
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 4: and observation and conclusion of the media happened during the

1054
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: first Oathkeepers trial. Sitting in the media room for nine

1055
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 4: weeks with all of the MSM journalists. For a period

1056
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 4: of time, I was the only journalist in the room

1057
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 4: reporting from a more right, you know, vision, ors prisoner's

1058
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 4: perspective of what was going on. And I would go

1059
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: home every night and or to my Airbnb that I

1060
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 4: had there in a DC for nine weeks, and I

1061
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: would read all of the stories that everyone from NBC

1062
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: to CNN to BuzzFeed or everybody else was putting out

1063
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 4: about that trial. And I would read their recaps of

1064
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 4: the day, and I would look at that and I

1065
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 4: would go, my god, are they watching the same trial

1066
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 4: I'm watching? And it wasn't that they were lying about

1067
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 4: what they saw heard and reporting on in quotes from

1068
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 4: the attorneys or the people in the witness stand. It

1069
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 4: was that they were only reporting half of what was

1070
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 4: happening in the courtroom that day. So if the defense

1071
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 4: was winning an argument under cross examination of a government

1072
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 4: witness and it was a open and shut you victory

1073
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 4: by the defense, that didn't make it into their stories.

1074
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 4: They only reported the prosecutions direct examination of that witness.

1075
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 4: And I realized that the biggest problem we havejournalism today

1076
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 4: is not that they necessarily lie, although of course we

1077
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 4: have you know, ample examples of that happening, but is

1078
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 4: that that they only report half of what's going on.

1079
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 4: And I've had a lot of conversations with some of

1080
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 4: my colleagues on that side of the ledger about that

1081
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 4: reporting over the you know, the last three years. So

1082
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 4: that has shaped my opinion of the press. My opinion

1083
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: of the Department of Justice is horrific. I mean, this is,

1084
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 4: this is the most important thing that has to happen,

1085
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 4: is a complete.

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Speaker 3: Decapitation of the.

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Speaker 4: Leadership of the current Department of Justice. They they have

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Speaker 4: and we know this for a fact already, is that

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Speaker 4: many of these US attorneys are already looking for their bailouts,

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Speaker 4: their golden parachutes into you know, high powered law firms

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Speaker 4: in DC and other places around the country. They're getting

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Speaker 4: out of government with the new Trump administration coming in

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Speaker 4: and certainly the you know, the the overhaul that's that's happened.

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Speaker 4: So a lot of that's going to self correct very

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Speaker 4: quickly of their own accord. But then it's going to

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Speaker 4: have to there's going to have to be a reorganization

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Speaker 4: of the entire DOJ in order for us to even

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Speaker 4: get back to some semblance of justice in this country,

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Speaker 4: because I will tell you every single part of that process,

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Speaker 4: particularly related to January sixth, has been toxic. It's been poisoned.

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Speaker 4: It is a it is a cesspool of leftist ideology

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Speaker 4: and selective.

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Speaker 3: Prosecution over prosecution.

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Speaker 4: We can compare it to all of the other protests

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Speaker 4: you know, around the country, as a lot of pundits

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Speaker 4: have done, so we don't need to beat that horse.

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Speaker 4: But the bottom line is is that is that it's

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Speaker 4: probably the single most important thing that this new administration

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Speaker 4: has to do is a complete total overhaul of the DOJ.

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Speaker 1: All right, I would agree with that, Steve Bager, investigative

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Speaker 1: journalists with the Blaze, who knows all too well the

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Speaker 1: consequences of you know, a corrupt Department of Justice and

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Speaker 1: FBI and media. So uh, Steve Baker appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: You know, I hope that Donald Trump follows through with

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Speaker 1: the pardons for the non violent January six ers. So

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time and thank you for joining the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Lisa for having me.

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Speaker 1: That was Steve Baker, investigative journalist with The Blaze.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate him for joining the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but of course you can listen throughout the week. I

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Speaker 1: want to think John Cassio, my producer, for putting the

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Speaker 1: show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,