1 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: You are genuinely interested in acting on camera, like right now? 2 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: You would love to do that? Yes, I have no interest. 3 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Do you actually do you really? Do you want a 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: small part in the movie? Would you do? Oh? I 5 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: was kidding, you don't have to put me in your movie? 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: Well have to have to put me in your movie, 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: of course, I mean, yes, of course I would do it. 8 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: But I mean that wasn't why I was doing that. 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: No, no no, no, it was yeah, but no. I mean 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm in a phase in my life right now where 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: I miss the and I think it's because of this podcast. 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: One of the reasons, like going back and kind of 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: watching the journey I took as an actor, and it 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: makes me want to entertain again and get back and 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: kind of in front of the camera. But I want 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: to bring act the American sitcom, which is what I've 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: always wanted to do. I want to do an old school, 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: classic eighties family American sitcom for camera, like the thing 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: that doesn't exist anymore. I think the world that the 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: country would love to see that right now. Um, that 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: would be Why do you think you have zero interest 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: in acting against I don't know. It's so funny though, 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: because when I but like when I'm directing, I'll have 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: these moments when we're you know, like if we're getting 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: up ready for the day or whatever, and I have 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm so anxious. And then I realized, oh no, wait, 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: I don't have to be on camera today, and all 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: the anxiety disappears. And it's like it's palpable to me 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: that like as much as as difficult as directing is 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: as much of a sort of mental challenge and I'll 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: be worried about it, it doesn't cause the same anxiety 32 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: at all. It'll it'll be like, oh, no, we're I 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: get to be on set, but I don't have to 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: be on camera. Yeah, I don't know. I just hate 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: the idea as an anxiety. Boy. I have to ask 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: if the follow up question, which is do you not 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: want to act? Or does the fear keep you from acting? 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Because for me, the fear just kept me from doing 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, which is different than not 40 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: wanting to act. Um Uh. The challenge I've given myself, 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 1: what I've said, is that I will only act again 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: if I want to do theater, like because to me, 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: if I'm willing to commit to a play that takes 44 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, weeks of rehearsal and it's gonna be just 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: only seen by a certain amount of people in the room. 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: And it's just about the purity of storytelling and acting. 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: When I'm ready to do that, that's when I'm going 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: to allow myself to like really dive into acting. The 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: idea of auditioning or being on set or you know, 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: like going like making a movie and being on camera. Right, 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: don't know, I have no interest. It just doesn't it 52 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: doesn't sound fun, it sounds I don't know, it's just 53 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: too much pressure. I guess. Yeah, that's just yeah, I do. 54 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: I do love being around actors. I love talking about storytelling. 55 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: I love working through Like you know, when I wrote 56 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: my play and I got to be there for rehearsals 57 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: and working with the actors, I got the same high, 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: the same positive emotions that I do that I remember 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: liking when I was an actor, Um, but without having 60 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: to actually do it. Tell everyone about your play, Jensen 61 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: and I went and saw your play and it was 62 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: an amazing it was great. Thank you, thank you. Tell 63 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: everyone about it. Uh. Well, So I wrote a play. 64 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: It was called Never Ever Land Um, and we produced 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: in tween the end of nineteen. Um, he started the pandemic. Yeah, um, yeah, 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's the thing I'm most proud 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: of in life having written this play. You know, it 68 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: was kind of like I was getting sick of writing 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: screenplays because they never get made, right, Like you can 70 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: make a living as a screenwriter, but nothing that actually 71 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: gets produced. And I wanted to write something that would 72 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: sort of be its own document that when I finished 73 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: writing it, it was like it is now a finished thing. 74 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: And that's what a play can be, because a play 75 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: can be reproduced or or it could just be read 76 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: as a text. And um, you know, obviously I started 77 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: in theater, so it comes naturally. And I so I 78 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: wrote this play. It took me like a year of 79 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: writing the notes and thinking about it, and then it 80 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: all kind of flooded out and we put it on 81 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: its feet. Just so satisfying to to go, you know, 82 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: from a blank page to that finished play. Like, like 83 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: I said, I'm so proud of it. Yeah, it was 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: really great. It was great. I don't know how did 85 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: Will how did we not plan to go on the 86 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: same night. I don't know. I don't know either. Yes, 87 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: soon and I went and we had a great time. 88 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: We took two of them. We took two of the 89 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: four seats in the theater. Exactly it was, but it 90 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: was but alm. I almost I almost thought the intimacy 91 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: of the theater added to the experience of the play. Frankly, 92 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean there are some plays where you know, you 93 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: put Ibsen up on its feet. It's like it's okay 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: that there's five hundred seats in the theater. But you know, 95 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: this was like you were right there. You felt like 96 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: you were part of it. So I thought it actually 97 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: added to the whole experience. Frankly, that was great. I 98 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: agree with you, especially because there are some moments in 99 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: it where there is like some real tension and and 100 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: you feel it in that small room. It's uncomfortable. Yeah, 101 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable. Yeah, it was uncomfortable on purpose. And uh 102 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: and every you could see everyone's looking around at each 103 00:04:53,520 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: other like you uncomforty too, Yes, all right, I'm not 104 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: gonna lie. I am getting slightly nervous about our live show. Yeah, 105 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: me too. It's getting closer and closer, which I realized 106 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: as I say, this is how time works. October twenty 107 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: two at the Magnolia in San Diego, we are going 108 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: to be recording some of the podcast in front of 109 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: you all, but also it's going to be an interactive 110 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: boy meets World fest. We're taking questions and answers, playing games, performing, 111 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: bringing out a special guest wearing tons of layers, and 112 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: everyone will see Mr plays with Squirrels live. Please no 113 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: shiny objects and keep your hands away from his mouth, 114 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: which means I am breaking out a thirty year old 115 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: character just to reminisce with some of your pod heads. 116 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: Is that as? Is that a word? It sounded weird? 117 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: My ears is that we're calling our listeners podheads. I 118 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: don't think so. That doesn't sound very good, but we 119 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: can ask them on October twenty two at the Magnolia. 120 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: Get your tickets now at ticketmaster dot com, where there 121 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: are also v I P packages with a meet and 122 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: greet and a photo. Come for the nostalgia, stay for 123 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: the unpacking well s. They all on October twenty two 124 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: in Sandy A go pod friend does? I don't like 125 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: that either? Well? I am very excited about our guests today. 126 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: We are going to be joined by Ms Sally Steiner 127 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: and Ms Barbie Block, who were the casting directors for 128 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: Boy Meats World after our pilot. So the pilot episode 129 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: of Boy Meats World was cast by Alison Jones, who 130 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: is like one of the most famous casting directors. Yeah, 131 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: so she did the pilot of Boy Meats World, and 132 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: then after the pilot she was gone, and Barbie Sally 133 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: Steiner came in and Sally did the first season and 134 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: then I believe Barbie joined her in season two. So 135 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: we will find out more when we get to ask 136 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: them some of these questions. Um, now, writer and will 137 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: is the last time you saw Barbie and Sally when 138 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: you were on Girl Meets World? Because for those who 139 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: don't know, Barbie and Sally also were the casting directors 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: for Girl Meets World. So is that would that have 141 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: been the last time you guys saw each other. Yeah, absolutely, 142 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: it's been a few years. That's why I'm crying already. 143 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: It's been years. How is that possible. I'm very fortunate 144 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: that I get to see well, I got to see 145 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: them for a long time because after Girl Meets World 146 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: and I started directing for a show called Sydney to 147 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: the Max. They were the casting directors for Sydney to 148 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: the Max. So imagine what a cool story it is 149 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: for me to be working with young actors who, for 150 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: the most part know me as the mom on Girl 151 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: Meets World. And then I get to tell them, well, 152 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: yes I was the mom on Girl Meets World, but 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: I was also a child actor just like you. And 154 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: these lovely ladies who cast you on this show also 155 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: cast me. So it's uh, it's quite a story. Well, 156 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: it's fun to it's fun to see your success to that. 157 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: We love that. That was fabulous. And everybody on Sydney 158 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: loved you. You know, Girl Meets World, they loved you. 159 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: Everybody loved you as a director. Well, thank you very 160 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: much you as a director, so please please do Also, 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: I'd really love to be the mom on a sitcom again, 162 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: So if you need a mom, I would love it. 163 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: I really would want to be the dad. Why have 164 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: we not written this already? Will we could be a 165 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: married couple that would melt Boy Meets World fans brains, 166 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: though they'd be like what Panga and Erica would end 167 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: up with Eric Matthews the way she always wanted to 168 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: from season one. Yes, that's the show. That's funny. Yeah, 169 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: but he disappeared for a while. Will we tried to 170 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: get you to be sitcom down a few times. I know, 171 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: I know I was. I had to get my own 172 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: mental health straight before I was able to want to 173 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: come back. But we were just talking about that earlier, 174 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: about if if I was ready to come back. I'm 175 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: I think I'm officially ready to come back at this point. 176 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: That would be for something that'd be fun, but i'd 177 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: it would be, Yeah, it would be, it would be 178 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: fun to be back. But huh, it's true. I love it. 179 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: I love it though it's it's always you know, being 180 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: in front of the audience is terrifyingly wonderful. So it's, uh, 181 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: it's great, but yeah, who knows. So let's get into 182 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: the story of how you guys started on Boy Meets World. 183 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: You Sally came on too, Boy Meets World after the 184 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: casting director after basically kind of a failed pilot. Right, 185 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: how was this job pitched to you? How did this 186 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: come to you? I just remember going, Okay, I'll do it. Yeah, 187 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: but you know, I knew we were going to be 188 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: making some changes, and um, obviously Ryder was solid in there, 189 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: um and um, but you know we found Rusty and 190 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: Wilford Dell, you know, so um, yes, so we had 191 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: some changes to make and you know, I saw the pilot, 192 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: I knew I could see why they needed to make 193 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: some changes for certain things. And I thought chemistries were 194 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: not as flowy as they could be. So, um, you know, 195 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: I kind of knew what my job was. So to 196 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: give everybody, even before we jump into more details, to 197 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: give everybody an idea of exactly what a casting director does. 198 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Because something you know, we take for granted that we 199 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: have us know what your job is. Why don't you 200 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: tell a little Danielle, nobody knows. Explain tell us what 201 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: a casting director does. Explain it in your words. Um, 202 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: if I can think of what we do. Um, you know, 203 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: we're usually the first one hired, and we get the 204 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: script and we put out what's called a breakdown to 205 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: the agents and the managers in the world. And then 206 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: we also look at it and say, okay, who do 207 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: we think this person is. It could be described blonde hair, 208 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: blue eyes, and you know, we'll bring in all different 209 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: types because why not. And what we do is we 210 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: will narrow down and to show our producers, you know, 211 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: four or five of the best choices we have and 212 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: sometimes twenty or thirties depending on the project. Right, Um, 213 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: and lately. You know, we've been working with actors a 214 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: lot on zoom and coaching them, and you know, they'll 215 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: sending a tape from who knows where and we'll call 216 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: and say, can we talk to this person? And then 217 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: you know when they then they get to hear what 218 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: the role out, what we're thinking, how to not be 219 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: like everyone else, how to trust your own instincts and 220 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: not think about what they want, you know, just be 221 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: and and all three of you are so distinct in 222 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: your deliveries and everything that you do. You know, there's 223 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: no middle of the road here. And a lot of 224 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: actors come in and you'll write the note good, But 225 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: there's got to be that something else, that special something 226 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: that you want that person to hang out in your 227 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: living room where you want to be around the person 228 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: the audience, you want the audience to want to be 229 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: around that person. You know, when I was trying to 230 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: be a casting corrector, um I was told that you 231 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: have to remember the whole picture, not just each individual actor. 232 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: You have to realize how they fit into into the show. 233 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, does does will work with writer? Does you know, 234 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Danielle cour I mean, you really have to try to 235 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: envision what the group is like because most of the 236 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: time you don't even get to read with the other actors. 237 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: I mean, they're just you know, I'm sure a lot 238 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: of you went in and didn't even read with other actors. So, um, 239 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to look at the group 240 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: of people that you're going to cast and you know 241 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: what and what it is you're casting. I mean, everything 242 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: is different. There's drama, there's comedy. You know, you guys 243 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: know that. So um, I think that's important to really 244 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: focus on that. Now, what do you remember about discovering 245 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: Will and his audition? Do you remember the first time 246 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: you saw him or auditioned him. Do you remember what 247 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: the buzz about him was when he got the job? 248 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: I know, I remember. I'm very forgettable, I know. But 249 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: here's what I remember is that I met you for 250 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: a movie I was doing for amblin a far off place. 251 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that you did an 252 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: audition for that movie and I kind of hooked onto you. 253 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: Then I really thought you were special. Do you remember 254 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: that at all? From place? Which one was that place? Um? Actually, 255 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon got your role. Okay, okay, Well, because Ethan 256 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: Embry was the one we were casting, but then they 257 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: decided to change the roles because okay, you know so, 258 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: but they got to go to Africa, so you know. 259 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: But that's where I recall meeting you. Okay, but I 260 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: don't remember the audition process. So do you you met 261 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: him at that audition for that movie. Did you then 262 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: specifically request him to come in to read for Boy 263 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: Meets World or was that just a happy incidence. Well, 264 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: I think he went on tape. I must have gone 265 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: on tape because I was doing all of this out 266 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: of New York. Yeah, he went on tape, so um, yeah, 267 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: but that was But that's what I remembered you from 268 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: because I probably saw you on tape from a far 269 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: up place, must have it. But but I remember going, wow, 270 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: this is a great kid. You know. I want to 271 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: remember him for stuff. I mean, And that's how you cast. 272 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: You remember things from the past, you know whatever, all 273 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: kinds of people. So it's so interesting. I think actors 274 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: get so hung up on whether they do or do 275 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: not get a certain part. But the reality is it's 276 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: still worth going out because the casting director will be like, oh, well, 277 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: you're so wrong for this part, but you're so right. 278 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: For this your thing, and like it's just you always 279 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: want to go and make a good impression, right, Like 280 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: you have to just get and even if it's a 281 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: couple of lines, but we file it in our little 282 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: computer when we find someone's best, right, well, you zoom 283 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: in our brain. It is it requires such imagination to 284 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: do what you guys do, because, like you said, you 285 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: have to think of the whole. You can't just look 286 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: at every individual actor. And on Boy Meats World, you 287 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: were creating a family. So you needed a mom and 288 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: a dad who were believable as a couple, and then 289 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: you needed that couple to be believable as the parents 290 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: to these three children. And so these three children had 291 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: to be different enough but yet also have similar you know. 292 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: It's like it requires such an imagination. And Will mentioned 293 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,119 Speaker 1: that we saw the original pilot and there is definitely 294 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: some differences in chemistry, the difference between the original pilot 295 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: and the way the pilot came together for Boy Meats World. 296 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: You see the pilot for Boy Meats World and you go, yeah, 297 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: I love this family. I feel like I'm jumping in 298 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: to exactly where they are in their life. I don't 299 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: need I don't need to like see them at one 300 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: oh one. I know that this is a family and 301 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: they're established, so that's really cool. You know, you also 302 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: have to be on the same page as the producer, 303 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: the director, and the network, you know what I mean, 304 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: layers to go through. Well, do you guys remember, because 305 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about how the first five or 306 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: six episodes of Boy Meats World had a lot of 307 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: revolving gust cast and you know, even Danielle was a 308 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: replacement for the original Topanca. So do you guys remember 309 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: Boy Meets World being a little bit of a a 310 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: tough job because challenge, we're going to cast quicker than 311 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: most shows, right, I mean that was a typical He 312 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: cracks me up because I never heard you guys talk 313 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: about the death chair. I was talking Shureman the other day. 314 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: He said, I knew about the death chair, but as 315 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: a casting director, Richards all the time too. So I 316 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: was in the death chair, which I remained in for years. 317 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: But but you just kept filling the death chair, Sally, 318 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: the death chair. No, it's but I never referred to 319 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: it as the death chair. Remember going to time to 320 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: the stage of Bill Daniels, So if he would see 321 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: me come on the stage, he'd go, you know, thumbs down, 322 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to always you know, I freaked him out 323 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: a little bit if I went to the stage, but 324 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you have to me. It's like, 325 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: unfortunately these actors don't know that. And I feel like 326 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: I owe Marty your apologies, apologies. And I usually explain 327 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: it to the you know, to the agents and stuff. 328 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: They don't always pass the message along. I don't think 329 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: it every time. I'm not perfect or whatever. But you know, 330 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: it's not It's not the actor, do you know, it's 331 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: the chemistry. It's what they're looking for, and they kept 332 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: looking to fill in something there and they weren't finding it. 333 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: So um, you know, those are so sensitive anyway. Even 334 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: if they got that message, they're like, sure, thank you, 335 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: thank you for saying that to make me feel better. 336 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: But we all know it was me. That is not 337 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: the truth. That is not the truth. And it's funny 338 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: when you don't get a role a lot of times 339 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with your performance. Nothing, it's 340 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's what looking for in the whole picture. 341 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: It's height, it's hair color, it's it's never hair color, 342 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: and especially when you get to those, to the to 343 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: the later parts, then it really becomes about chemistry. You know. 344 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: The first like you, they liked it as an actor, 345 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: they like a quality. But then when you get down 346 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: to and I know you guys have talked about testing. 347 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: When it's you and one other person, you're both very talented, 348 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: it's just who fits the jigsaw puzzle in that moment, right. 349 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: It's what you just said before Barby started talking um, 350 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: you said you it should be required. Oh, I was 351 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: gonna say for me, like it was such a learning 352 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: experience when I finally got to sit in on a 353 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: casting session that I was not auditioning for. And I 354 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: think it should be required for actors to do that, 355 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: like it to be a reader or to just sit 356 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: because it becomes so obvious that it's not about you. 357 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Because when you and 358 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: you and you watch how many talented people come and 359 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: go and you have a casting session with like people, 360 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: like you said, most of them are good, Like most everyone, 361 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: You're like, well, yeah, they could do this. They're if 362 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: you're in that room, you're you're usually there for a reason. 363 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: You have an acting talent, you have an ability and 364 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: it's just like you said, it's just kind of either 365 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: the luck of the draw or the way that the 366 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: room felt when they walked out, or like whatever. But 367 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: it's so out of the actor's control, and when you 368 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: could sit on the other side of that, it's such 369 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: a relief, you know, but it's it's hard. It's hard. 370 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: I did a lot of actors to come into our 371 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: sessions to see what's going on. They said, you know, Michael, 372 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: Michael would bring some of you guys into our sessions 373 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: so you can see what was going on, if any remember. 374 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: But it was so important for the actors to see 375 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: what was happening. I think in that process. Now I 376 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: have as I have a question. When you're casting children 377 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: as opposed to casting adults, does the conversation of how 378 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: they may look when they grow up ever come into 379 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: the to the discussion, you know, not so much. No, 380 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you wonder if they're going to be, 381 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, twelve feet tall or something like, but not really, 382 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: not so much, not as much as people think, yeah, 383 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: we will hear, oh she's too tall for that. What 384 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: do you mean she's too tall to do? You know, 385 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: like just it's such a siny little thing that you know, 386 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: and people always want to find a reason why not when, 387 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: as we keep talking about, there often is absolutely nothing 388 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: you can do at the end of the day. And 389 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: this is tough to hear. That second person a lot 390 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: of times gets cast in the show because the producer 391 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: will be like, oh, remember Jane who tested, Let's find 392 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: a role for her. That happens all the time, all 393 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, for sure. We cast one pilot what 394 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: was serious and it had what four boys in it, 395 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: Savages Complete Savas and um, we had cast one boy 396 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: early on and then we found the other boys. Well, 397 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: the one boy that we cast early on, they decided 398 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: really didn't match with the other boys, so we had 399 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: to drop him before nothing to do with him other 400 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: than physically. The other kids we cast it made it 401 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: more of a family. So the first kid who had 402 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: the job ended up getting like because the other three 403 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: changed the dynamic didn't even get to work. I mean, 404 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, So that was that was horrible. 405 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: So you mentioned that show, Complete Savages. What are what 406 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: are some of the other shows that you guys have 407 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: casted for that people will know other than Boy Meets World. 408 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know you have. You have a 409 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: very long list of credits, but why don't you just 410 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: say podcast. I mean, we don't have that much time. 411 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: You know. What. One show that we walked in late 412 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: was Malcolm in the Middle. We asked the last two 413 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: seasons of Malcolm in the Middle, so they had done 414 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: five years, and we thought they had probably used every 415 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: comedy actor in the world. And what a blast that 416 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: was and the series, you know, and what actors needed 417 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: to learn was they needed to just deliver the lines 418 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: that it was the series regulars that were the ones 419 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: that were supposed to be funny. So when actors came 420 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: in doing too much, it didn't work. But if they 421 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: came in and said, here's your pizza, then Brian Cranston 422 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: could get into a whole whole thing. That was a 423 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: memorable show. Good Luck Charlie was a wonderful family show 424 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: that we were We cast the baby old six months 425 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: old and not months, no twins, nothing. We called her 426 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: yoga baby. She came in and did all this stuff 427 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: and she turned out to just be a little killer 428 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: the whole, you know, until she was five years old, 429 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: signing autographs to she was wonderful. But she was eight 430 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: months old when we hired, but she she stood out. Yeah, 431 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: we've done. We've got a couple of features lately that 432 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: we're really fun with Happy Madison and Netflix, um Adam 433 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: Sailor's company. We did Hube Halloween, which I was about 434 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: a year ago, but it will be It will be 435 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: odd too every Halloween, and another one called Home Team 436 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: that starred Kevin James and we found about ten or 437 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: eleven brand new kids. We found a couple of adults 438 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: that we gave major breaks to and that felt great. 439 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: And uh so that's also a Netflix. Everybody wants to 440 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: check it out. And from that's kids from all of 441 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: the United States. That's why I said, I'm so zoomed 442 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: out because you know, we're watching these zooms twenty four 443 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: hours a day. I mean, it's it'shausting. And these two 444 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: are also cast an amazing, amazing show called Pepper Dennis 445 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: that writer this is how my wife. Yeah they cast 446 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: your wife. Yeah, we know. Like and here's the thing. 447 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: We finally got to cast writer because we didn't keep 448 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: cast him going that's right, you guys cast him on 449 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: Pepper Tennis. And then as a bonus, he got a wife. 450 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: Writer far from Seawan Hunter yeah, you know, letting actors 451 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: have a little range and do different things. And it 452 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: was great to see you like that. That was so fun. 453 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: I remember that audition. Yeah, I remember that audition. I 454 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: was just like because, yeah, you know, I knew as 455 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: you guys, But I was also like, are they gonna 456 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: be cool with me being like a nerd? You know, 457 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: like I had been sewn for so long, but this 458 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: character was like this really awkward, geeky guy, and I 459 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: was like, I think I could pull this off. And 460 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: I just remember the audition went so well on Wavy 461 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: was great, remember, Shawn was amazing and we just had 462 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: a great time. Yeah, it was a terrific show. We 463 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: got knocked out with the w B. Yeah how many 464 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: how many wives did you read with before you selected Alex? 465 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to who was what rider worthy to 466 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: write chemistry and all that kind of stuff. She was. 467 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: She was a good example of a one shot guest 468 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: star scored and then they got in her back and 469 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: bringing her back and that you know Sally had mentioned earlier. 470 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes a couple of lines you never know. 471 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: A week on Girl, I'm sorry kid, we had we 472 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: did a show two guys and a girl, and we 473 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: did that show and a girl came in. Who was it, 474 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: Jillian Bock Chillian Buck. She came in for two lines. 475 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: She became like the head, the whole person of the series. 476 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: I mean, he came in for two lines, so you 477 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: never know well. And as Nathan Phillions from Canada, he 478 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: did as a favor and did like a couple lines 479 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: as a jukebox guy, became a serious to regular and 480 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: has never left a seasons. They give me, give me 481 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: hell about this. I always talked about Mash, but Clinger 482 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: on Mash was was somebody who was supposed to have 483 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: a couple of lines in the pilot and that was it. 484 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: I mean, some of the biggest characters in television history 485 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: are people that came on said one or two funny things. 486 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: Daniel official official Toga. I mean that is I wanted 487 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: Danielle from Topanga for day one. You always think you're 488 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: audition was whatever. I adored you from day one for 489 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: that role. So she was Danielle your first pick? Then, 490 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: if you had to cast it right off the bat, 491 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: was daniel your first pick for Topanga? Yes? Wow, you 492 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: heard it here, There's no question. So it really you 493 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: think like you blew the audition or whatever. I mean, 494 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: it was so I was so terrible. I just wanted 495 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: it was like bringing at the time or whatever. Yeah, 496 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: you were in the character that I envisioned. You were 497 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: that person and so and sometimes a bad audition, we 498 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: can see right through. We can see who you are, 499 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: what you can do, and you know, Wow, Rusty Rusty. 500 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: When I cast him, I was so excited because I 501 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: cast a film that I put him in with who 502 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: was in that record Howard and Jane Simmons and um 503 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: he is detective kind of guy or whatever, and I 504 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: was just such a major fan of his and like Betsy, 505 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: everybody had a brush on him. Anyhow, when I brought 506 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: him up to Michael Jacobs, he was beside himself. He 507 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: was so excited. But I would get calls why they 508 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: were trying to get Rusty? Do you think this is 509 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: gonna work? Do you think this is gonna He was 510 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: so excited for Rusty to be on that show. Yeah, boy, 511 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: was he a score, such a score, such a score. 512 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: But that was a big coup to get him on 513 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: our show. Yeah, well he was great. We've talked about 514 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: how good Rusty is, I mean just and how and 515 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: you guys have talked about how not the typical sitting 516 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: at each were more interesting and more grounded up and 517 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: still got the comedy. And you know that's the kind 518 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: of that's the kind of comedy that I know. We 519 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: both leaned towards that. The more real I mean, you know, Danielle, 520 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: you did Sydney that was so much more real. I mean, 521 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, those like Disney a lot of stuff. We've 522 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: done a lot of Disney, but the shows we've done, 523 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: most of them have a reality base. They're not like 524 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: big broad you know, goofy so um we're having you know, will. 525 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: You said something on one of the podcasts the other 526 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: day about how they're getting all the actors from you know, England, 527 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: you know, wherever. And I so agree with what you 528 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: said in that people are not training here and people 529 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: need to train. And I just wanted to reinforce what 530 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: you said because factors are listening. It's so important. You 531 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: don't just you know, do a podcast and then all 532 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden become a star. That happens. I did 533 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: Fresh Prince, but um I cast you know, the pilot 534 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: the first couple of years of Fresh Prince of Laire 535 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: and Will had no experience, you know. And I remember 536 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: I interview with Prince Joe. That was exciting doing up 537 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: to his house and I but do you think this 538 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: kid can do it? You know you Will Smith. No, 539 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: I didn't discover him. He they set the show around him. 540 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: But when I met Quincy to do the rest of 541 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: the show, I remember staying to Quincy, so you think 542 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: this kid can do it? Quincy took my arm and says, yeah, 543 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: I do. But Will was I mean, you know, he 544 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: he like all new actors, you know, he needed a 545 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: few episodes. But and I remember standing on stage point 546 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: I want to see that guy do drama because he 547 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: just had it all, you know, and he wasn't like 548 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: a trained, trained actor, you know. So yeah, exactly. But 549 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: that was a fun show to do for a couple 550 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: of years. Wow, that's amazing. How much of the casting 551 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: is gut feel? I mean because again, because my then 552 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: follow up question is if you know, like, how often 553 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: is it where you know this is the right person 554 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: for the job, but then the producer comes in and says, no, 555 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: I want someone else. Oh that kills me. But I 556 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: feel like we've been pretty fortunate in in the in 557 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: the producers and directors that we've worked with, we just 558 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: we seem to be able to be on the page 559 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: with them, and that's just that's been great. And maybe 560 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: it's the people we've worked with, but we also will 561 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: speak up and say, hey, you miss something with that guy, 562 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: and most producers will say, if you feel strongly, bring 563 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: that person back in. Um. There. There's there's a few 564 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: that have slipped by. You know that Eugene Eugene Lovies 565 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: network tests and the network executive said, oh, he's not 566 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: funny my life, in my life. They sent him out 567 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: and they sent him home. Billion tested for two guys 568 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: and didn't get it. And that's where the calm said 569 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: can you come on just for this couple little thing? 570 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: And then they made regular that you know, well, it's 571 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: interesting you mentioned that big because I was just I 572 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: was just occurring to me. You're saying that my I 573 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: would have been your first choice from Topanga from my 574 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: first audition, and so you you were probably a hundred 575 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: percent the reason I ended up with that part that 576 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: had two lines. You were like, Okay, Michael Jacobs or whoever, 577 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: she hasn't been approved through the producers for this Topanga role, 578 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: but can we at least give her this? And so 579 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: the reason I was even on set at all that 580 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: week was because you had you felt a fondness for 581 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: me after my audition. And you know, Danielle, you know 582 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: you wrote in your book, which is a very good book, 583 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: by the way, thank you. So how you know I 584 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: upset you and you were crying? You're, oh, yeah, got 585 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: a series of regular that's cry. But you um, because 586 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: I was paying so much attention to the other actor, Yeah, 587 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: well you needed to how to contact her? Yes, I 588 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, I knew Marla for a long time and 589 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: I think she's terrific, but she was not Topanga, you know, 590 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: and so I was just trying to make her feel 591 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: really good. And you know, because I knew, I was 592 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: calling youator to tell you got the job, you know, 593 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: and I had your incoration. So, oh my god. I 594 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: did another show called Great Scott with Toby McGuire, and um, 595 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: I had that office where there was a little blast 596 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: window you could look through and I was laughing at 597 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: people and blah blah blah blah blah, and this actress 598 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: came in and I guessed I was really intense and 599 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't laughing or whatever. But she was the one 600 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: that I thought was right for the role. You know 601 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: I did. So she went back to her office trying 602 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: to her agent. She didn't laugh at me, she didn't whatever. 603 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: She got the role. You know, she don't really know. 604 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes I guess I got a little more intense with 605 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: her rather than you know, well, there's your wheels are 606 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: probably spinning, which is you know, you you're inside your 607 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: mind going, Okay, nailed it. So now this person is 608 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: going to be the person at cast. So now I'm 609 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: gonna have to go and call her agents. So your 610 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: mind already starts going ten steps ahead. And they're like, 611 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: she clearly doesn't like me. That's so crazy. We're ten 612 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: steps like, we gotta called agent, we gotta called the network. 613 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: We have to do this. Okay, please make them be 614 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: available at the agent and screw up. That's a big thing, right, 615 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: that's a biggie Alex. Alex talks about her audition for 616 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: Pepper Dennis. She said it was like she killed him 617 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: and like everybody was laughing, and she came out and 618 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: somebody in the waiting room was like, wow, they were 619 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: laughing really hard. And Alex's takes She's like I think 620 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: they were laughing at me. She's like, I don't think 621 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: it was good. She walked away convinced that everyone was 622 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: like making fun of her, not laughing with her. And 623 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: then she got apart and she was like, oh, okay, 624 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: maybe it was working. You just have no idea as 625 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: an actor. You know, actors are also the most insecure 626 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: people on the planet. We are the most insecure people 627 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: on the planet, actors. Everyone thinks you're all confident, but 628 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: you're not. It's horrifying. Yeah, actors will come in and say, so, 629 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: what are you looking for? What do you want? I 630 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: will never ever give them that conformation. I want to 631 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: see what they bring to the room, because note you 632 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: to death, you know, and I've always wanted to see 633 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: what is coming into the room rather than oh I 634 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 1: want him to be this, this, this, and this, oh 635 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: and Danielle. At the other minute ago, I said, no 636 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: hair color. Nobody cares about your hair color. I've never 637 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: cast by hair color. You know. It's we can change 638 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 1: hair color. You know, we can change color. We can 639 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: do anything. Because people get all caught up agents so 640 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: called well it says blonde on here. It's like, get 641 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: over it, you know. So and we try and never 642 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: to put those descriptions in, but they do. And I 643 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: won't put in a like Jack Nicholson or something, you 644 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean, I won't pay any of that stuff, right, 645 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: I like to see what what you have to offer. Yeah, 646 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: well there's the progression that that have you ever heard that, 647 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: the old actor's progression that they hear, which is you 648 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: use yourself. You say, like it goes, who's Wilfred L. 649 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: Then get me wilfrid L. Then get me a younger 650 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: Wilfred L. Then who's Wilfred L. That's always the progression 651 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: they say in the in the acting industry. So it 652 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: seems to go that way. Oh that's so funny. So 653 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: we recently had treat a McGee on and she told 654 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: us this amazing story about how she auditioned for Angela 655 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: and then wasn't going to get the part or didn't 656 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: get called back, and she went into her agent's office 657 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: to basically confront her agents, say no, they need to 658 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: give me another chance. I really want this part, and 659 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: the agent blew her off for a phone call, and 660 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: so she left her agent's office and was standing in 661 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: the in like the waiting area talking to her agents 662 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: assistant and was saying, like, you know, it's unbelievable they 663 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: won't I need to go back in there and read. 664 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: And the assistant was super on board. The assistant was like, yeah, 665 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: they've got to get you back in there. And the 666 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: assistant picked up the phone and called Barbie and got 667 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: Barbie on the phone and said, can we get Trina 668 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: back in there to read again? And Barbie said send 669 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: her in And that's then how she ended. That was 670 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: like then the audition that ended up getting her the 671 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: part on the show. Our memory is there was no 672 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: one else. Yeah, Trina was so uniquely and and and 673 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: then and then we were watching her and going, oh 674 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: my gosh, she was good. She was terrific. She remembers 675 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: then when she did once she was in the mix, 676 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: it was always her and ten other people. And then 677 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: sheep that you guys can't bring her and then put 678 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: us through the ringer. They were brought in a zillion 679 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: a zillion people. A lot of people say don't bring 680 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: in your best people first or whatever. I don't fall 681 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: for any of that crap. Um. It's like, I like 682 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: to bring in who I feel is the most special 683 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: for the role. Then if I want to see fifty 684 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: other people. Fine, but I feel like I've done my 685 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: work a lot of it, so I mean I still looking, 686 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: but um, you know a lot of people. Um. I 687 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: had one producer said well, what if you miss somebody 688 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: in the pre reach. I mean it was like and 689 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: then he started sitting in on my pre reads. It 690 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: was like he was the very insecure producer is not 691 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: anymore that you know? And you know, that role of 692 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: Angela was so special and there was so much pressure 693 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: on it because Sean was going to fall in love 694 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: for the first right, and who is going to really 695 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: turn Rider's head? You know, you could get back down 696 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: to that chemistry again. And if you quizzed me, I 697 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you who those other nine girls were. It 698 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: was only Trina knew them all. Remember, she was like 699 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: she was in the room. She was in the room. 700 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: She was competition. Yeah, do you have one that got 701 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: like the one that got away that you knew her 702 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: right for the part? This is the I'm casting this person. 703 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: And then producers somebody yanked it and said no, you 704 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: can't do it. And when you you remember, uh, you know, 705 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good people that were passed on 706 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: Barbie just said, Jason Biggs, I don't know. Well, there 707 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: was a role. There was a role of a kid 708 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: at the prom and he was supposed to be a 709 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: nerdy kid at the problem. And Jason had just moved 710 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: to l A from New York and he was like, 711 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: I hope I'm going to do well in l A. 712 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: And you've you know, done a few little things. And 713 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: we brought him in and the producers passed on him 714 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: and they, you know, went with somebody who was more 715 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: of a pocket protector kind of guy. And then a 716 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: year later he came out in American Pie as the 717 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: biggest nerd in the world. That's when you turn to 718 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: your partner and say, city, I know I've never been 719 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: I've never run into Jason over all these years, but 720 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to say to him, see if you 721 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: did that, good, but you should have that. He should 722 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: have had that role. We had the one experience where 723 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: Taylor Lautner didn't get a role on Was It Jonas? 724 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: It was Jonas Jones brother. Taylor did not get the role, 725 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: but if he had gotten the role, he would have 726 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: never been in Twilight. Like you know, you don't know, 727 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, karma out there. Yeah, 728 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: what's meant for you will still be for you. You know, 729 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: how about Tony Quinn. Do you remember anything with casting Tony. 730 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: I know that he was Joel Ferrem, who was ahead 731 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: of NBC's trainer. Really Joel introduced him to us. Unbelievable. Yeah, 732 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: because that's what he's doing now. Yeah, Tony's been a 733 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: trainer for years. Yeah, Tony has been a trainer for years. 734 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: You've got to meet this guy and he was terrific. 735 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: So and the reason I got the job working with 736 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: sal I was not on season one, which is why 737 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm loving the podcast so much. I came on the 738 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: middle of season two for the episodes c er Now 739 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: and I pulled onto the Disney lot and I see 740 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: Anthony Tyler Quinn standing at outside Sally Taylor and I said, 741 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting this job. Tony Quinn, I was, You're like, 742 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: I want to be here every day exactly one really rememberable. 743 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: We have got one really memorable pasting session. You know, 744 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: we saw the millions, but there was there was the 745 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: one where it was the Ski Lodge episode and it 746 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: was the girl that was going to turn Corey's head 747 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: and then to Cardalini and when she came into read, 748 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: she just she just had it and was so excited. 749 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: One of those you're praying that the producers dumped on board. 750 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: So she says, Hi, Corey, and I see Michael Jacobs 751 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: out of the corner of my eye furiously circling her name. 752 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: I could see that, and I'm just going to okay, 753 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: we're good. Yeah right then, because I mean, that's that's 754 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: never really happened before, where I just you know, okay, 755 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: it's all good. And she and in rewatching that she 756 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: was she was the perfect person with you and with 757 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: Ben and then the Jonathan Jackson of it all. They 758 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: were two really solid people that could have turned one 759 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: of you. And yeah, that was great. Both were incredible actors. 760 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: We we heard a story or I heard a story. 761 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: I'll speak for myself. I heard a story from some 762 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: of the writers. I can't remember that. One of the 763 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: casting sessions they remember the most is some woman came 764 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: in and started breastfeeding her child while she was reading. 765 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: Is that it was that a real story? Well, she 766 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: can She had her baby with her because she didn't 767 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: have childcare, so she was holding the baby and reading, 768 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: which is not unusual. It was a small baby, and 769 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: she was giving a really good read. The baby started fussing, 770 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: so as natural as that is, she was feeding the 771 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: baby and I was still continuing to read with her. 772 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: But some of our writer producers that will admit it 773 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: that they were a little juvenile, right, It was a 774 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: little tough to get to the end of the scene, 775 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, with them, But you know it was it 776 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: was beautiful because she she didn't miss lots of things, 777 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean, not missing the beat. To me, that's kind 778 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: of brilliant. All she's a wonderful actress. She works all 779 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: the time. By the way, I think she won an 780 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: Academy Award? Did she or close? Yeah, I'm not going 781 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: to mention her name. Yeah, major, I cannot believe you're 782 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: not going to tell us who it is. I's kind 783 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: of brilliant. I want everybody to just send us emails 784 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: on who they know. Who do you think it could be? 785 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: Who do you think pretend to Now do we know 786 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: for sure that she's won an Academy Award because we 787 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: can narrow it down Academy Award winning actresses or do 788 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: you know will get on the show. We'll get back 789 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: to you on that. Okay, I don't know she's been 790 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 1: up for awards. I don't know. What do you remember 791 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: about casting Adam Scott? Oh he was. Here's what I 792 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: remember is that after he got cast, he came into 793 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: my office and he brought me three little muffins in 794 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: this little thing. He was so adorable. Three Why three muffins? 795 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: But did he eat one on the way started? But 796 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: by the time he couldn't yet afford a mini muffin basket, 797 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: so he just got three. It was the cut I 798 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: just thought it was the sweetest thing. And the only 799 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: thing I know is that I don't keep everything, but 800 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: I kept his little card. I just knew somehow he 801 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: was going to score another one. We had a trailer 802 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: full of guys, there were guys down the street, guys everywhere, 803 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: but it was only Adam Scott. He just at it. 804 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: He had that. You know, it's funny when you think 805 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: all these actors are reading for a role and it 806 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: comes down to really nobody else's right for a role, 807 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: and that that is the way it is a lot 808 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: of the time, you know, So that will Jeff Sherman 809 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: told me to tell you the story. I did Great 810 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: Scott with Um uh, which is Toby McGuire, And um, 811 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: it was Leo DiCaprio was a good buddy of his. 812 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: So he was hanging out all the time. So I 813 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: go into a casting session, I come back into my 814 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: office and there are posted everywhere in my office. He 815 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: was practicing his signature. I had all of these autographs 816 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: all over my wall. I didn't keep a single one. 817 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: I should have him one day and I said, Leo, 818 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: don't know. You know? He was right. They were. They 819 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: were the cute They used to hang out all the time. 820 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: They were just great guys. They're still good friends. I 821 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: still think Leon DiCaprio, if he works hard, could make 822 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: it in this business. I've said before, I'm going to 823 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: say it again. I think he's got something and he's 824 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: got a shot. But I have so funny that he 825 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: was in there just practice autograph. I have another another 826 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: question about casting. What do you remember about casting the 827 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: late great Brittany Murphy. That breaks my heart. I know 828 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: that that was an impossible role. Yeah, absolutely impossible because 829 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: she was so wacky, and but there had to be 830 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: something grounded. You had to there had to be the vulnerability. 831 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: And when I tell you, there was nobody for that role, 832 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: and Michael had had a relationship with her on the 833 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: show she did Almost Home. Yeah, yeah, that was that 834 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: was wonderful and very sad this moment. But I guess, yeah, 835 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: when you're casting next to somebody like to Panga and 836 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: you want to drive to Panga more Center, it's like 837 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: when you're casting for Frasier and to make Frasier the 838 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: normal one, you have to cast Niles. So it's like 839 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: that same where it's like Brittany had to be the 840 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: wacky kind of because again then you're pushing to Panga 841 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: kind of. More Center asked, so, yeah, so strange. But 842 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: she was another one. She came on our set and 843 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: was just instantly one of us, like just instantly she 844 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: was a great great Yeah, yeah, she really was girl. 845 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: And what about Ethan sup I want to know about 846 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,720 Speaker 1: his Yeah, talking about my other favorite, okay, those I 847 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: love him. I felt I called my little baby. Probably 848 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 1: hate that what I do. But he just had such 849 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: an innocence, and you know when he did those little 850 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: poems and everything, and I'm you guys going to get 851 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: him on the podcast, I hopefully, I hope. So I 852 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: adore him, and he went on to be so successful 853 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: that it's just you know, and he's gone through a 854 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: whole transformation body transformation, so um. But you know, I 855 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: just remember there was nobody, you know, there was nobody 856 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: like him. He was so special. Even even even was 857 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, he was such an intense actor actually, like 858 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, even if we're doing comedy and we're doing 859 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: these kinds of ridiculous scenes, but he was always so 860 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: focused and so interested in taking risks and making sure 861 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 1: that everything he said was interesting, Like he never he 862 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: couldn't open his mouth without it being incredibly fascinating. And 863 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: I just remember his intensity on set being kind of 864 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: at odds with because the rest of us are like, 865 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, we're doing a comedy, we're trying, but and 866 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: he was. It wasn't that he was up like in 867 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: a bad mood. He was just had an intensity about it. 868 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: And I remember David Trainer pulling me aside and being like, 869 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: have you noticed how he takes this so serious? And 870 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, He's like I think that's really great. 871 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's amazing and amazing. I guess 872 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: American History X or something like that, where he's just 873 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: so intense and awful and he can do and you 874 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: can do it. Yeah, I mean yes, super talented, super talented. 875 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: You know when he would do those poems and stuff, 876 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: he would just rip your heart out. Oh. So you 877 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: mentioned Brittany as as being impossible, what was the Was 878 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: she the hardest role to cast the entire time you're there? 879 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, can you think of one where it was 880 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: just like so different? I think they all were. I 881 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: think they were all difficult. Um. We had you know, 882 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: the producers, they they had such a standard for what 883 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: was going to work on that show and it you know, 884 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: and it did really work. So and you know, as 885 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, Michael was so passionate about everything, so passionate. 886 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: I have a great respect for Michael Jacobs. I think 887 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 1: he's just he's done a wonderful job at this show 888 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: with you know, the lessons and everything and um, so 889 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: you know, he was it wasn't easy to cast for him, 890 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: you know. And I had some agents that because kids 891 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: were getting let go and stuff, they weren't sending their 892 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: kids in, so I had I had a lot of challenges, 893 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, to deal with bringing people in. So um. 894 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: But Michael, um, he he he had a vision and 895 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 1: he was going for it. You know, so um, and 896 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: you couldn't always get into his head, you know, to 897 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: figure out exactly what. But I think we did a 898 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: good job of getting there, you know. But and you know, 899 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: when when we did the show, I started, I was 900 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: a casting associate and I did that for the first 901 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: few years and then Sally promoted me on season six 902 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: to casting director. So Boy Meets World was my first 903 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: show that I was a full casting director. And Michael 904 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: too was very generous in allowing me to and I 905 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: kind of walked out of the thing. Okay, if I 906 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: can cast for Michael Jacobs, anybody, anybody, and you know, 907 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: and it was you though he we felt love from him, 908 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: We felt like we cared about us and it was 909 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: all about making a show better. So, um, I'm Boye's 910 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: World down, Girlmate's World. They were just both wonderful experiences 911 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: and shows that were really proud of good. I'm just curious, 912 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: was Matt Lawrence cast or was he was Matt put 913 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: on the show by like Disney? He was put on 914 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: the show. That's okay, that's what That's what I thought. 915 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: So we I was just curious his his origin story, 916 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: which we'll get you eventually, but somehow I don't know 917 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: what happened, but you know, there were conversations whatever, but 918 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: he came on the show, so and and he fit 919 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: right in really well with you. It was a great group. Yeah, 920 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: he did. So we've talked a lot about how the 921 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: third seat, the death chair, was one of the ways 922 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: they were trying to bring diversity onto the show, because 923 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: we have also openly talked about the fact that we 924 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: were a very white cast. We were such a white cast. 925 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: And so do you remember do you remember the conversations, like, 926 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: were there conversations about needing to bring diversity into the show, 927 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: and and it just like, do do you have any 928 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: memories of those discussions? No? Okay, and um, you know, 929 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: I um, I really don't. I mean I think they 930 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: could have been. I just don't recall those I mean, 931 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: it became more and more, you know, through the years, 932 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: like you know, diversity here, we gotta do that, we 933 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: gotta do that, we gotta do that. But you know, 934 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: we did bring in diversity, but I didn't hear it 935 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: as a mandate or at any right, but it could 936 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: have been. I just don't remember. Yeah, I mean that's why, 937 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 1: you know, Alex is one of my you know, treating. 938 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like I was thrilled with that, and 939 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: then I always tried, you know, when I was doing stuff. 940 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: So and part of the casting director's job is to 941 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: envision the world, and you know, we we felt a 942 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 1: lot of responsibility. There were you know, little girls, eleven 943 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: year old girls having having sleepovers, and so we felt like, 944 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, to ask chunky kids or kids with braces 945 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: or kids you know, you know, all kinds of all 946 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: kinds of people, you know, diverse, you know, is what 947 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 1: our world looks like. So I feel like it's become 948 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: a big thing that everybody talks about now. But I 949 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: feel like casting directors were always there trying to push 950 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: it where you know, and present the real world. And 951 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: I worked on Fresh Prince for the pilot in the 952 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: first couple of years, so um, it was the opposite there. 953 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: So I came from, you know, the two worlds. How 954 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: now I think people be interested. So let's say you've 955 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: got somebody like Alex who's coming on as a series regular. 956 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: How much time between finding out there's going to be 957 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: a new series regular and finding Alex usually goes by 958 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: about three weeks, okay about you can say about three weeks. Yeah, 959 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: I can't say yes, because I remember they brought us 960 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 1: back a couple of weeks early they to cast that 961 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: series regular, and we were given about three weeks to 962 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: cast him. But that's not always the case. It's always different. 963 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: I think it's always different. You know, times better days 964 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 1: or that night they call this person tomorrow. Yeah, a 965 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: lot of that. Not so much in the last few years, 966 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: but it used to be that way. But you know, 967 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: but we start thinking from the minute we get an outline, 968 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: even if it changes, even if it goes away, we'd 969 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: rather know sooner. So when you see there's gonna be 970 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: a love interest for Eric in your outline, we're already 971 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,919 Speaker 1: looking for that. Um, you know, six or seven weeks 972 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: down the line. We are. Office does a lot of generals. 973 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: We just meet people. But agent will call somebody's in 974 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: town from New York and you meet them, and you know, 975 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: then that's how you kind of stack it up. And 976 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, in addition to pree reading is just meeting 977 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: new people in town and because you never know where 978 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: they're going to turn up again, or you know, well here, 979 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: then here's a good question for that do you have? 980 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: And it's hard off the top of your head, I'm sure. 981 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: But are there any actors you can think of that 982 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: we may not have never heard of, but that you 983 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,399 Speaker 1: think have like, deserve more shine or should have been 984 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: huge stars but for whatever reason, it just hasn't worked 985 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: out that way. But you're like, man, this person is talented, 986 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: they have it, it just hasn't worked out for them. 987 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: Do you have any actors like that that you think 988 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,800 Speaker 1: aren't where they should be because they should be bigger? 989 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: You know what, I don't have a name that I 990 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: could throw to you, but I do believe that there 991 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: are some really talented people out there that are not 992 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: getting a big break. I really believe that, yeare we 993 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: see these wonderful, wonderful readings and then we see that 994 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: the person is not working and we don't understand it. 995 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: Is like, what's going on? You know? So I can't. 996 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,439 Speaker 1: I don't have a person you know that I can say, 997 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: oh blah blah blah. But um. That leads me to 998 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: another question then, because you mentioned something about how you 999 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: said lately, Um, a number of people have been talking 1000 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: about how the business, you know, even before the pandemic 1001 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: was really starting to change. Have you noticed how, you know, 1002 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,400 Speaker 1: how big. It changes it in in the whole in 1003 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: the casting world compared to what it used to be 1004 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,839 Speaker 1: when we were doing something like Boy Meats World. How 1005 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: different is the industry now for you, Well, before we 1006 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: only had four networks, so there were a lot more actors. 1007 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: Now everybody has spread out, you know, Stars and HBO, Max, 1008 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,839 Speaker 1: and it's it's more and more difficult to find available 1009 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: actors who can do what we need them to do. 1010 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: And our office in particular is extremely open. We do 1011 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: open calls on almost every role we we We we 1012 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,760 Speaker 1: put out to actors access on every guest role because 1013 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: you never know that somebody that that other agents not 1014 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: going to submit them and they're like, I could do that, 1015 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: and I'd like to do that, and so we just 1016 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 1: use that as another source to get as much opportunity 1017 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: as possible to find those little gems. But as well, no, 1018 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,799 Speaker 1: diversity is being hit really hard in the last few years. 1019 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean that really has being been hit, which is 1020 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: very important. I think so about time, you know, exactly, 1021 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,799 Speaker 1: everybody says, well they've gone overboard. I said, you know, 1022 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: maybe they've gone overboard. But everything's going to even out 1023 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,320 Speaker 1: in life someday, Like wellies we just to keep reflecting 1024 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,280 Speaker 1: the world in every way. What is your best piece 1025 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: of advice for someone who's thinking about getting into acting. 1026 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: I know you mentioned training, and Will has talked about 1027 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: that too. That's important. Yeah, What is your best piece 1028 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 1: of advice for somebody who's thinking about taking the leap 1029 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: of faith and saying I've always wanted to do this. 1030 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: What would you What would be the number one thing 1031 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: you'd tell them. One thing I would say is I 1032 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: would trust in your self and the uniqueness that you 1033 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,839 Speaker 1: bring to as opposed to trying to figure out how 1034 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 1: to be all these other people in the truth, it's 1035 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: just going from what your truth is and showing people 1036 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: who you are and not trying to you know, fit 1037 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,359 Speaker 1: into a box or what they want. And to know 1038 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,800 Speaker 1: that we're looking for your uniqueness. You know, we're looking 1039 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: for your uniqueness. We're not looking for you to imitate 1040 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: somebody else. I mean, there are those people out there 1041 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 1: to do that, but you know, we're looking for your 1042 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: unique qualities. And I think that you have to, um 1043 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 1: have a confidence in yourself, um that you have a 1044 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 1: special quality and somebody is going to be looking for that, 1045 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, So I really, I really believe. It's trusting yourself. 1046 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really trusting yourself and also pursuing everything else. Writing, 1047 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, take yourself and watch it back with your friends. 1048 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,719 Speaker 1: There's read a lot. Is That's always advice I give 1049 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 1: is reading. You can learn so much of our characters 1050 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 1: through reading. So moments, you know, beating kids over with 1051 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,839 Speaker 1: a reading things great. I mean. And also, uh, no, 1052 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: matter what you think about how your audition went, you 1053 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: were probably doing a bad guestimation about what they were thinking. 1054 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: Because as the person who walked out of an audition 1055 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: and thought, there's no way I booked this, they weren't 1056 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,719 Speaker 1: interested in me at all. They didn't ask me for 1057 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: my phone number. And now this many years later, I 1058 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 1: thoind I was that I was? That I see him 1059 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: in New York um at the agencies, and we used 1060 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: to laugh. We used to have big jokes because the 1061 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 1: actors would call him and say I sucked, I was horrible. 1062 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: Whatever They would get the role called up and said 1063 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: I was, Yes, Well that's what I did with Eric. 1064 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,840 Speaker 1: That's literally what I did with Eric. I went to 1065 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: a My dad took me to a pay phone to 1066 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: call my agent New York to tell him it went terribly. 1067 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 1: I mean, that's fair, and he went, you got it. 1068 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 1: I mean that's you always do. Invariably. There's there's a 1069 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: couple of things that we would we would always joke 1070 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: about from the actor's side, which is, um, yeah, if 1071 00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,439 Speaker 1: you think you did an amazing job and you got 1072 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: the part, you probably didn't. And if you can't get 1073 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,760 Speaker 1: an audition and you can't get a meeting, book nonrefundable 1074 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: plane tickets on the same day and you'll get the 1075 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: meeting and you'll get the meeting or the auditions. Those 1076 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 1: are like everybody knew that, Like vacation. I used my 1077 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 1: last thousand dollars to go to Hawaii that week and 1078 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: now I got that all just so yeah, everybody knows that. Yeah, yeah, 1079 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: that's so true. But as a casting director, you know 1080 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: we're in this. We always saying the cashing when the 1081 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 1: same position as actors. You know, we're job to job 1082 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: or whatever. And you know, as soon as I would 1083 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,279 Speaker 1: get a call about something, I would I have one 1084 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: friend that we set a lunch date. Never failed. I'd 1085 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,400 Speaker 1: get a job. If I needed a job, I'd say, hey, 1086 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: I want to have lunch, you know, or playing a 1087 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:47,360 Speaker 1: trip or exactly do you guys have a favorite actor 1088 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: or actress of all time? A favorite of all time? Yeah, 1089 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,359 Speaker 1: who are your favorites? So you can name a few 1090 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,359 Speaker 1: if you have. I'm just so curious what you want 1091 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,319 Speaker 1: them to have? Cast them in something? Just ever, just 1092 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,800 Speaker 1: like who do you look up every time my screen? 1093 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: You're like, I want to see them act? You know, 1094 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 1: there's just go ahead, there's so there's just so many. 1095 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,359 Speaker 1: I I just I love actors. So there's all there's 1096 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: leading actors. I love, there's character actors I love. You know, 1097 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,279 Speaker 1: people that come in and out of our office over 1098 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: the years. They know we adore them. They know they 1099 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: could come in and give a not so great read 1100 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,800 Speaker 1: and they'll be back. Um, that's such a tough question, 1101 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,239 Speaker 1: you know. I had to say. Olivia Hussey was on 1102 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,360 Speaker 1: the show. Well, Um, growing up, I was had the 1103 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: opportunity to see Romeo and Juliet and Zepharelli, which kind 1104 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,440 Speaker 1: of made me, you know, crazy about the business. So um, 1105 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: when you know I got to cast her, like oh my, 1106 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean that was so many zillions of years after 1107 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliette, but you know I was able to 1108 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,759 Speaker 1: see that Zephi Rolling Movie because he did all the 1109 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,320 Speaker 1: Shakespeare films. I mean he it was amazing and it 1110 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 1: was one of the most famous directors. But um, that 1111 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,799 Speaker 1: was exciting to say. One of the current person that 1112 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,879 Speaker 1: I just love is you know Temple. Everything she does, 1113 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 1: she you just fall in love with her. And on 1114 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 1: ted Lasso the most awful things and you still love her. 1115 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 1: And then um, and then she was in a minute 1116 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 1: mini series, Um, the Godfather, Vinie series, Come on, you 1117 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: guys making it The Godfather, and she would wonderful. I'm 1118 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:31,600 Speaker 1: just amazed every time I offer watch her, Yes, offer great, 1119 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: great minies. I've just been seeing again. I'm dying to 1120 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,440 Speaker 1: see it. I hear it's great. Jensen's watching it now. 1121 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: That's why I know by the way, I'm seeing Dope sick. Yes, 1122 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 1: oh yes, that's a tough that's a tough watch. But man, 1123 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: everybody's so good in it. Do you know that the writer, 1124 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: creator and director Danny Strong played Arthur who went up 1125 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: against you will to be to get the internship at 1126 00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:01,080 Speaker 1: the television Really that was Danny Strong and he is 1127 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: big time now. I remember saying his name go by 1128 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: on a bus for Empire, and Danny's Strong from I'm like, fling, 1129 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: I have to google. Now, I have to google. Yeah, 1130 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: we stayed in touch. Figured that out by now I 1131 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: had I didn't know Danny him. Yeah, I know, we 1132 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: should have him on the podcast. Actually we reconnected in 1133 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 1: our twenties. We started doing these live theater shows called 1134 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,040 Speaker 1: The Thrilling Adventure Our exactly, and yeah, he's a great guy. 1135 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 1: And he had just at that time written recount and 1136 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,479 Speaker 1: that was his first major scrape. But I I didn't 1137 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: even remember him. He came up to me. It was like, yeah, 1138 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: I was on your show, and we like reconnected and 1139 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: we obviously have the same last name, and then we 1140 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,120 Speaker 1: ended up. Yeah, we stayed in touch. He's such a 1141 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: good guy, such a good is of course, I of 1142 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,160 Speaker 1: course I kne who Danny really. I ran into him 1143 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,480 Speaker 1: not too long ago, and he was like, that was 1144 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 1: my second job of my whole life. He's been people launching. 1145 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 1: It's a pretty big role that he had for somebody 1146 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 1: who was so brand new. Yeah, if you go back 1147 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: and watch season three, episode two, we will be there. 1148 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: We will be there in five years exactly. Nominated for 1149 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: fourteen Emmies this week, just nicest, still so grateful and 1150 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: all right, we'll have him on. Jeez, that's really put 1151 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: podcast billions billions the least three years. It's really cool. 1152 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: Sally and Barbie casting directors for pod Meats World. We'll 1153 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,160 Speaker 1: get you guys on booking if you don't mind not 1154 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 1: to do that. I know, I love it. I have 1155 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: one I have one more question. When one of these 1156 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: actors that were so intricral to our show, like a 1157 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,560 Speaker 1: Tony Quinn, like an Alex Days Air something, that when 1158 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,440 Speaker 1: they were told they were no longer going to be 1159 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 1: on the show, were you involved in that in any way, 1160 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,640 Speaker 1: shape or form, Like were you involved in letting them 1161 00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,400 Speaker 1: know or did you just hear like the rest of 1162 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 1: us that they just weren't coming back. Uh, well, we 1163 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,360 Speaker 1: heard obviously before you guys heard probably, well maybe sometimes 1164 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: you guys heard stuff before we did. But we didn't 1165 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: have to do the actual because you know, there's contracts 1166 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,280 Speaker 1: and all stuff. Barbie did have to let somebody go 1167 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,240 Speaker 1: one time. It was awful, and I made do it. 1168 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I said, you don't have at all until somebody not 1169 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 1: to come to work the next days. And it's a 1170 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,680 Speaker 1: rite of passage. It's awful, but it is. You've got 1171 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,240 Speaker 1: to do it in the most kind way that you 1172 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,120 Speaker 1: possibly can. Was it on Boy Meats World? Yes, we're 1173 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: not going to say who did. You don't trash people 1174 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,280 Speaker 1: on this We that's that did trash people. And I 1175 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: didn't like that episode. So we don't like to trash people. 1176 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,720 Speaker 1: Never never would encourage it. I do off I do 1177 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 1: off air, though, really want to. I'm gonna have to. 1178 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Got we got enough follow ups here, my friends. You know, 1179 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,840 Speaker 1: it's really it's unfair because you know, two people to 1180 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: hear like oh I was replaced or I was this, 1181 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,080 Speaker 1: or I got let go, and you know, and some 1182 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 1: of the people that let the shows there are some 1183 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: of the biggest stars in town. You know, sure exactly. 1184 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,120 Speaker 1: You know it's but some people don't take it that way. 1185 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm protective of our actors. I love 1186 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,800 Speaker 1: you actors. I think being mostly primarily a voice over 1187 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,919 Speaker 1: actor to now anyway, for the last twenty years or whatever, 1188 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 1: you get used to everybody, especially there's been a voice 1189 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 1: over actor has been replaced in something has been and 1190 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: there's absolutely nothing to it. It's like, oh yeah, I 1191 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 1: was doing that and they replaced me with somebody. It's 1192 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,200 Speaker 1: just you just get used to it. Frankly, so I 1193 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,240 Speaker 1: think I think the on camera world could learn a 1194 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: little bit from the from the vo I'm I'm sensitive 1195 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: about the actors, and I just really I don't I 1196 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,760 Speaker 1: don't feel there's a need to put that out there. 1197 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's great. Well, thank you both so much 1198 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: for being here with us. This has been an absolute joy. 1199 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: We both are questioning questions. Question one thing you talked 1200 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: about having a party with everybody, Nelson the middle did that. 1201 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 1: We had the best party ever. It was like, how 1202 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 1: many years after the show ended. I mean it was great. 1203 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 1: I think that has to happen. Can you cast the party? Yeah? 1204 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 1: Will help. Well. One of the things I wanted to 1205 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 1: mention that Sally and I are just starting to do, 1206 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: which is super exciting, is we have started another company 1207 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: in addition to our casting called Steiner Block Consults, and 1208 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,960 Speaker 1: we're going to be consulting with actors and parents all 1209 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:49,600 Speaker 1: across the country, demystifying the casting process, answering questions people money, 1210 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,320 Speaker 1: he's actors, the agents. People are always trying to say, 1211 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 1: spend money on this, spend money on that becomes creditory. Yeah, 1212 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,680 Speaker 1: yes it is. You know, we have been doing this 1213 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: for you know, a million years in our office when 1214 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,720 Speaker 1: we do generals is giving people advice and it's something 1215 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: that we both really love and feel like we're in 1216 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:13,320 Speaker 1: a position to really help people and from zoom now 1217 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 1: why not right Steiner Block Consults at Gmail. Consults consults 1218 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,120 Speaker 1: at Gmail, and we will have our website up in 1219 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,680 Speaker 1: the next few weeks. Any type book can contact us 1220 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,280 Speaker 1: that way amazing. Well, thank you guys so much for 1221 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,320 Speaker 1: being here. We love you. I can't wait to see 1222 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 1: you again on whatever show we work on together next. 1223 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,880 Speaker 1: You love what you love us. We love you and 1224 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,640 Speaker 1: your our babies. We keep I'm the way to The 1225 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: actors love you, Danielle. Actors that you direct just absolutely 1226 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,840 Speaker 1: adore you. And they learned so much on Girl Meats 1227 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 1: World and on Sydney to the Max. The actors just 1228 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,320 Speaker 1: can't stop reading about you. Thank you. That means a lot. 1229 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,840 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from watching Writer. Well, we need 1230 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,640 Speaker 1: to we need to get new heads outs taken so 1231 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: they can cast us as the mom and dad in 1232 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,360 Speaker 1: the show and then Writer can direct it. There you 1233 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: going it, you guys, Writer well together. Actually, Danielle, you 1234 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: know what people would accept. I bet you more than 1235 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,760 Speaker 1: than us being husband and wife. Is us being brother 1236 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,160 Speaker 1: and sister that are then forced together and like have 1237 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 1: to raise kids. That idea that would be that would 1238 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,360 Speaker 1: be the would work. People would get that more than 1239 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I think they would accept the us being all right, fine, 1240 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,800 Speaker 1: we won't be married, We'll just be brother whatever. I 1241 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 1: just want to I just want to be a TV 1242 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 1: parent and we want to request more Poppins from Indie 1243 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: because he is hilarious, really comes out of the mind 1244 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,840 Speaker 1: of a seven year old. I'm really interesting on this 1245 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 1: podcast that it's really funny to see the show through 1246 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,000 Speaker 1: his eyes. He just you know, I felt like we 1247 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,040 Speaker 1: would be when he was like to remember the sweeping 1248 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: the stage for a couple of years there a kid, 1249 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,920 Speaker 1: rooms come to my house. That's how I look at 1250 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,600 Speaker 1: it too. That's that's when I want to have a kid, 1251 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 1: just during the brooming era. You guys are great on 1252 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,720 Speaker 1: the podcast. Thank you, thank you so much. Thanks for 1253 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,200 Speaker 1: coming on right to hear all the acts. Will let 1254 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,000 Speaker 1: you know when we have that party. Yeah, okay, well, 1255 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:30,640 Speaker 1: thank you guys. Podcast podcast. You want to say, miss 1256 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:47,640 Speaker 1: nailed it. I never know my line. Oh man, that 1257 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 1: was so fun just to get the kind of behind 1258 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,840 Speaker 1: the scenes of what it was like and how you 1259 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,800 Speaker 1: walked out of that room thinking it was like that 1260 01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: was the They were like, Nope, that's that's her, wasn't it. 1261 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,840 Speaker 1: They had a tough job, guys, Like I mean casting. 1262 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,040 Speaker 1: The amount is the fact that they open it up 1263 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 1: to like open casting calls. It's just mind bog then. 1264 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,880 Speaker 1: It just shows that they have such an optimism about 1265 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,720 Speaker 1: actors and the potential. You have to have hope, right, 1266 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 1: Like it seems like it would get so I feel 1267 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 1: like I would become so cynical about actors if I 1268 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,720 Speaker 1: was a casting director, to be like, ah, they're all 1269 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,440 Speaker 1: the same, the diame a dozen. But you can't be right. 1270 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 1: That's you can't be You have to have like they're 1271 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 1: kind of positivity about actors and respect for the art 1272 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,000 Speaker 1: form and just the hope that there's always talent out there. 1273 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,560 Speaker 1: It's so so cool. I want to know who the 1274 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 1: woman was. I want to I want to find out. Yeah, 1275 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 1: we'll find out. Um. I did casting once in my 1276 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,040 Speaker 1: life for a pilot Jensen and I were doing for 1277 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,760 Speaker 1: for someone, and the number one thing I remember is 1278 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,200 Speaker 1: that the amount of energy it takes to be a 1279 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 1: casting director and want to present yourself to you know, 1280 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 1: because actors are walking in trying to have you know, 1281 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,200 Speaker 1: they want to nail it. They want to have a 1282 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,160 Speaker 1: good audition. And it doesn't matter that you've seen thirty 1283 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,720 Speaker 1: seven other people before this actor. You know that your 1284 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,840 Speaker 1: energy with them can completely derail them and completely throw them, 1285 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,040 Speaker 1: and that they're looking to you for little bits of 1286 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: guidance and to get a read on the room. And 1287 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,400 Speaker 1: I said, then after I had done that experience, I 1288 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,360 Speaker 1: said to Barbie and Sally said, I don't know how 1289 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,200 Speaker 1: you guys doing it is. It's so much energy. And 1290 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 1: they said, we really don't know how we do it too. 1291 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,000 Speaker 1: But right or to your point, it's because they as 1292 01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,800 Speaker 1: people are such optimistic, Like they are just such bright 1293 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,680 Speaker 1: people who so love actors and actors that's what they 1294 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,360 Speaker 1: love actors, they really do, and they take pride in 1295 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,280 Speaker 1: their work as they should, you know what I mean. 1296 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Like they are a huge part of why Boy in 1297 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,320 Speaker 1: the world of a successful show because they were able 1298 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,120 Speaker 1: to always piece together amazing every week. You know, it's 1299 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,080 Speaker 1: not just the show for the first season, it's every 1300 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: week having to bring in our incredible guest casts, our 1301 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,640 Speaker 1: elf guy who came in. You know, it's like they're 1302 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: indelible characters and it's because of them that they were 1303 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,600 Speaker 1: they were able to find these actors. It's also you 1304 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,200 Speaker 1: watch show after show after show that just gets worse 1305 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,040 Speaker 1: as it goes on, and they tried to save it 1306 01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 1: by bringing on wacky characters or you know, casting a 1307 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,600 Speaker 1: new little brother and usually doesn't work. And on our show, 1308 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,120 Speaker 1: I still think we were one of the few shows 1309 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: that got better as we were going on that the 1310 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 1: additions actually worked. Um, you know, it's made the show better, 1311 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,200 Speaker 1: but I mean they did, they added to everything that 1312 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,720 Speaker 1: went on, and that's you know, a lot of that 1313 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,160 Speaker 1: as a testament to the casting really is. Yeah, yeah, 1314 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's also a very um undervalued job. 1315 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,160 Speaker 1: I think in the public public eye. You know, like 1316 01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,240 Speaker 1: there should be an Academy Award for casting. There should 1317 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: definitely be an Academy Award for casting. The category needs 1318 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,240 Speaker 1: to be recognized. I think partly because it's always been 1319 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 1: women too, you know, I think that's the sexism of 1320 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,720 Speaker 1: the industry. It's one of those jobs. Think about how 1321 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,320 Speaker 1: many male casting directors do. You know, it's very rare. 1322 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,799 Speaker 1: You know, it's usually it's it's always been a female 1323 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,439 Speaker 1: centric job, and I think that's part of the reason 1324 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,759 Speaker 1: why it has not gotten as much respect as it deserves. 1325 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,679 Speaker 1: You didn't even realize there wasn't an Academy Award for casting. 1326 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,400 Speaker 1: How is there not? Right? It doesn't seem like because 1327 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,080 Speaker 1: it's the job that makes movies. I mean, it's such 1328 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,120 Speaker 1: it's so important. And you know, yes, if you're getting 1329 01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,559 Speaker 1: into a certain level, they're just making offers, right, But 1330 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 1: if they're still auditioning people and there, yes, there should 1331 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,200 Speaker 1: be a category to just recognize the power of the 1332 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,439 Speaker 1: great casting director. Agreed. I have so many questions about that, 1333 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Like then is it about the putting together the right ensemble? 1334 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,120 Speaker 1: Is it about casting somebody? It's yeah, I'd be interested 1335 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,080 Speaker 1: in how they would define the category. But I agree, yeah, 1336 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,800 Speaker 1: you like Castle characters. It right, And that's the way 1337 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,519 Speaker 1: it works, and that's where the Academy works, is that 1338 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,759 Speaker 1: you vote within your you nominate within your own professional category. 1339 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,400 Speaker 1: So interesting. All right, Well this has been another wonderful episode. 1340 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 1: If I do say so myself, you absolutely do say 1341 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 1: so yourself. I think you can follow us on Instagram 1342 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,799 Speaker 1: at pod Meats World Show. Please be sure to email 1343 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,719 Speaker 1: us at pod Meats World Show at gmail dot com. 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