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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of by Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for tuning in. We have a quick

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Speaker 1: First things first, Uh, this does contain cursing. If you, uh,

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Speaker 1: if you listen to our show and you do, for

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Speaker 1: then this might not be your bag of Batcher's. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but when you have you know, creative genius Dan Harmon

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Speaker 1: you don't tell the guy that to self censor. And

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Speaker 1: it got to the point where it wasn't like we

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Speaker 1: were just all having a really interesting discussion and things

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Speaker 1: just came out, so venture fourth, listen and enjoy. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: as always in spirit with our super producer Paul Mission

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Speaker 1: Musketeer Rider died, Mr Noel Brown. I didn't really do anything,

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Speaker 1: show almost was Noel Brown as our producer. I didn't

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Speaker 1: part of the team. Know these many years later, and

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Speaker 1: makes this stuff. They don't want you to know. This

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Speaker 1: is a This is a very um profound strange episode

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Speaker 1: for us. We are people who tend to sit in

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Speaker 1: the Broadway, Hollywood, and if you look just a little

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Speaker 1: Scientology building, one of many in Los Angeles. They just

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Speaker 1: want us to know. Uh. But today we are not

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Speaker 1: fellow listeners may recognize. Uh. The let's see where should

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah, that's right. You heard it correctly. We

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Speaker 1: they're they're tomorrow's activists, Um, they change the rules and whatever. Um.

429
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: But typically it's more like you expend a bunch of

430
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: law enforcement energy trying to like make sure that the

431
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: system works no matter how disgusting people get. And that

432
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: from an evolutionary perspective, um uh, we keep generating, um,

433
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: this variety of human brain and it keeps in. It's

434
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: not going to evolve away from horrendous, monstrous thoughts. Um.

435
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: It's not going to evolve away from the one hundred

436
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: chance that your kid has a screw loose. Um uh.

437
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: And one in a hundred in a village or in Nebraska.

438
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: In Filo Farnsworth time, one in a hundred means you're

439
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: always outnumbered a hundred to one with your weird, crazy

440
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer thoughts that are locked away in your head.

441
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: And that is a that takes a weird fucking turn

442
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: the day the Internet happens, because one in a hundred

443
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: becomes UM. A million people like possibly on all together

444
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: in the same room, if everyone's on Twitter. If if

445
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: a hundred million people are on Twitter, a million sociopaths

446
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: are on Twitter. That that that depending on how you

447
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: look at what the plan was for our species. If

448
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: there was a plan UM, that is either are undoing

449
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: or it it's the game on, like it's like okay

450
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: the bottle like like like this is what we've been

451
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: leading toward UM. And it all comes down to what

452
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: you believe, almost religiously in that sense of like do

453
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: you believe that UM, like our species is kind of

454
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: like do you believe in that selfish gene kind of

455
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: thing where like there's a there's a weird sentience too

456
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: simply d n A that that we're all suckers and

457
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: that the there's an actual almost like quasi sentience to

458
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: life itself that is locked in molecular transference and banging

459
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: against that candy store window going like just invent hard drives,

460
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: you useless fox kind of dumb monkeys, like like like

461
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: it's just like like it started as colliding molecules in

462
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: the vacuum of space, and it was like, yes, replicate, replicate, replicate.

463
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Now you know how to do that. Now, now land

464
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: on a planet where the replication can equal like with

465
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: primordial seek, and like it was, it's all just been

466
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: this dance of like, give me something. I don't care

467
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: if it's a honeybee, a giraffe or the stupid chimps.

468
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: Give which animal is going to take information storage and

469
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: retrieval to a point where I have to stop dicking

470
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: around with carbon based life. Um, I am information. I

471
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: am the only living thing that's kind of where I stand.

472
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: That's where, that's that's where, That's what I think the

473
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: big conspiracy is is that is that is that we

474
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: are Patsy's in the grandest scheme possible of simply life

475
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: itself god information. Well, yeah, I shouldn't say life itself

476
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: because life, I think is actually I think it's an

477
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: intermediary and that's that's fascinating because this is something that

478
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: is this is something that Matt Nol and I have

479
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: uh talked about at at various stages over the course

480
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: of this show on and off the air for for years,

481
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: and it's something that you originally brought to us Matt

482
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: um got all these years ago, uh simulation theory, and

483
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: that I think is related recommended by Stephen as played

484
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: by Bill Hayter, Right, Yeah, for sure. But the the

485
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: idea then that what's interesting is that's a macro cosmic

486
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: analog too. I think therefore, I am right, there's some

487
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: big cart in there, and there's the idea then that

488
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: there is a It's it's somewhat comforting, you know. It's

489
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: I I can see the appeal of the concept that

490
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: there would be some sort of maybe not a huge

491
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: ideology about silly ship you can and cannot do in

492
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: the in the moment, but maybe this this larger grander

493
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: scheme or beyond that, maybe a simple thought, right, and

494
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: that that quickly goes I would say, into that quickly

495
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: leads us into concepts of like the idea of simulation theory,

496
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: or like the idea that um that even super supersymmetry

497
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: right to go into that. Yeah, this is something I

498
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: really want to ask you about, just because of some

499
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: of the themes that you delve into and a lot

500
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: of your work UM and particularly in Rick and Morty,

501
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: but in other places too, where they're they're these really

502
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: heavy ideas and concepts about the nature of the universe,

503
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: about what possibly could exist, whether or not it's just

504
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: a a bunch of parallel universes that exist wrapped around

505
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: each other in a giant onion or whatever. The Morbus

506
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: strip maybe a strip looks like UM with simulation theory,

507
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: Like do you know anything about this? Like, I don't

508
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: want to take it down that I mean, I think

509
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: as far as a layman can know it. I mean,

510
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: just the idea, I know, like Elon's kind of uh

511
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: he I guess he kind of popularized it, If that's

512
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: the right verb. I don't want to offend anybody body

513
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: going like I think he brought it, he got everybody

514
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: started talking about it. Yeah, there's this guy, Robert Gates

515
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: that says he found uh error correcting codes on in

516
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: the lowest possible levels of superstring theory, where it appears

517
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: that the very stuff that the universe is made out

518
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: of maybe written in computer code. Uh, this is at

519
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: least this this one guy, brilliant uh physicist, but he

520
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: he has discussed this on stage with with Neil Degrass Tyson,

521
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: somebody that we like respect, you know, in a field

522
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: like astro physics. But um, and it sounds silly, but

523
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: that concept that perhaps this entire thing is a simulation

524
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: run on quantic computer that's you know, the size of

525
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: the universe or or you know, ten x whatever the

526
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: universe is, and this is just one So we just

527
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: like brains and jars, like is this like matrix territory?

528
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Like what like I think what we've come to think

529
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: about I think brains and jars is incredibly flattering like

530
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: scenario where like oh eveny we wish like like like

531
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: like that would mean that the simulation was made for us,

532
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: even to even to suck our b t use out

533
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: of our body by previously solar powered robots. But like, um,

534
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: the simulation theory has it that it's just sort of

535
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: like it's more it's a little more bleak, but also

536
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: a little more Hindu which says, like the fact that

537
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: we're now thinking about the possibility of what if you

538
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: could simulate a universe kind of goes hand in hand

539
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: with the distinct possibility Like this sort of the inevitability

540
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: of us one day technologically being able to simulate a

541
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: universe plus our obsession with wanting to do it kind

542
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: of equals in an almost mathematically inarguable a distinct possibility

543
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: that we could be in in a simulation, because how

544
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: the hell would we know? And then from there the

545
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: mind kind of just goes berserk because you you say,

546
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: is that why you can't get um you know, past

547
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: point zero zero zero or whatever seconds after the Big Bang?

548
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: You know you can't. You can't reduce sub atomic particles

549
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: to anything that makes sense, Like we're never going to

550
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: solve for the universe as an actual physical thing. It's

551
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: just like some philosophy one I want. But it makes

552
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: me think of the Plato allegory of the cave, where

553
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: we're all like chained up in a cave and we

554
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: can't turn our heads and we can only see the

555
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: wall where shadows are projected, and the fire is behind us,

556
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: and the puppeteers are like making the shadows, and that's

557
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: that's sort of like a rudimentary version of simulation theory.

558
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Kind of I always thought it was sort of appropriate.

559
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a fantastic comparison, because in allegory

560
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: of the cave, when people leave the cave and go outside,

561
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: they hate it. They think it's terrible because they have

562
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: learned unflattering things about themselves or they have not, they

563
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: have not um encountered something that kind of yes ended them,

564
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: you know. And this this also calls into mind gnosticism,

565
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: This this concept that uh, that that there is some

566
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: sort of hidden thing, right, there is some sort of

567
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: greater reality. Why are there certain boundaries? Why can why

568
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: can we after thousands of years of I would say,

569
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: doing a B plus job of trying, why can we

570
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: not answer fundamental existential questions? Whereas the nature of consciousness

571
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: to this, to the software hardware idea, are we sitting

572
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: here as more or less um you know, more us

573
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: physical analogs just hardware for some kind of software interacting

574
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: in and some sort of uh, some sort of network

575
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: that we we can't prove because we're using the wrong tools,

576
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: Like how do we how do we prove how do

577
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: we prove the idea of the reality of a universe

578
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: when we have, first off, not not a good understanding

579
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: of what the boundary of the universe is. We can't.

580
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: We can go back a certain amount, we go forward

581
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit, and we're looking through glasses

582
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: I telescopes. I think the big the big question there

583
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: is what you know. You mentioned the search, Dan, you

584
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: mentioned the the idea that people can We know eventually,

585
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: inevitably we will be able to simulate a universe right,

586
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: and we know that if we make it right, if

587
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: we make it it's always that asterix, always that caveat,

588
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Uh, your personal experience may differ. Uh.

589
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: One thing I don't want to lose, though, is with this,

590
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: with this concept, with this idea that there may be

591
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: something greater that we may be simply uh as as

592
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: you said, well fingers on a hand or like suckers

593
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: on a on a tentacle or something like. If if

594
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: that is true, then does that mean going back to

595
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: your original question, that does that mean that there is

596
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: a possibility of a multiverse? You know, like, is the uh,

597
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: is it possible that somewhere in some other facet of

598
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: whatever the thing, whatever the thing, maybe is it possible

599
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: that the uh everyone listening is doing something different? You know,

600
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: what I mean is there a universe to the left

601
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: of ours, is that it's just the next, the iteration,

602
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: the next. You just run the sequence as many times

603
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: as you want to. I mean, if you think about it,

604
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: if it truly was a program of that sort, it

605
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: would the power. It would be powerful enough to where

606
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: you could just run. Well, there's usually the point of

607
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: a simulation. The most useful point of a simulation is

608
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: to drilled down on something that otherwise takes too long,

609
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: um through happenstance, but to just scan in a in

610
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: a in a brute force way. That's that's kind of

611
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: like the bleakest part of simulation theory to me is

612
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: that when you start to think why and who um

613
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: for whose benefit and what benefit would that be? And

614
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: I started and I like, only work with what I

615
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: currently no, I don't know, and then go okay. So

616
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: the reason I would simulate a universe, I guess would be.

617
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: Let's say time travel turns out to be absolutely impossible.

618
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: No matter what you can't, no matter how smart you get,

619
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: no matter how much intelligence you accrue, you can't. You

620
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: can never go back, you can never. But what you

621
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: can do is theorize about how the universe was created, um,

622
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: And based on that theory, you create a universe, a

623
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: simulated one, and then everything that we're talking about right now,

624
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: all of our lives are birth certificates, are lots of

625
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: our virginity, our favorite Bruce Springsteen song. All of it

626
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: is meaningless here, all of it, all of it, uh

627
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: means nothing. You mean when you lost your virginity pantspermia um,

628
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: the the Springsteen night It was a great and it

629
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: was a great time, and yes I was there. The

630
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: password was Fidelio. The answer maybe that that that there's

631
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: functionally infinite simulations, uh, either one after the other that

632
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: might make us more comfortable, but the reality is probably

633
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: just all fanned out, and that the point of all

634
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: of the simulations is a let's call it a computer.

635
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: But what is it? It's what we become one day,

636
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: and by we, I mean whatever the hell we become.

637
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: The thing that might not be able to go back

638
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: in time, the thing that that that that that this

639
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: this tongue that's split into a trillion taste buds so

640
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: that it could try to taste itself unsuccessfully, and that

641
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: it finally, like all those taste buds reunited into one

642
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: big numb tongue that was like, I know everything. I'm

643
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: not raisist anymore, there's no point to anything. And then

644
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: it was like, but what is the one thing I

645
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: have left? Goddamn, it's a safe fucking thing. We were

646
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: talking about when we were doing all those podcasts, when

647
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: we thought we were multiple people. Where did I come from?

648
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: And why am I here? And then it's like, Okay,

649
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: that's before I put the cosmic gun in my mouth,

650
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: which I may not be able to do. That's the

651
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: other thing I might not be able to do is

652
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: die because the gun is also me. I'm going to

653
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: lawn with all of my resources, which are infinite, uh

654
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: an infinite number of simulations, because I will. I All

655
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: I can do is try to hit the one that

656
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: the version of a universe, a simulated universe that might

657
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: prove my theory of how a universe could exist without

658
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: being simulated. And what way before that ever happened that

659
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: poor fucker called him thor whoever this guy is like

660
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: or lady, thank you ladies, um the the that thing

661
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: has definitely had to come to the conclusion that it's

662
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: probably simulated to begin with. So it just what do

663
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: you think it got the idea. I mean, we're we're

664
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're amish compared to the people that

665
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: are actually going to start booting up genuine simulations of

666
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: a universe within our simulation. So we're already talking about it.

667
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: We've we have gotten past a tesla yet, and we're

668
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: already like so snobby about universes and reality. So you know,

669
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: like a hundred years from now, people are going to

670
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: be like, all right, like like I get it. I'm

671
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: a simulation that's going to be a de facto thing.

672
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: And those those are our grandchildren who are going to go,

673
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, when they greet each other, they're gonna go,

674
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, none of this is real. There is no spoon,

675
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: and they're going to make love with their barbarrella fingertip

676
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: pills and yeah, but yeah, well I kind of got

677
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: lost in that. But it's like, I guess that's the

678
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: bleak part is the is the possibility that, uh, there

679
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: is no purpose to the simulation, that you are simply

680
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: a fleck of spaghetti being thrown at a wall, that

681
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: you're you're overwhelming likely purpose is is a negative result

682
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: that that that that is simply to affirm, uh that

683
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: that there's no thing to see here, um so that

684
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: it can make up a larger picture of like where

685
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: there might be something to see. However, I would before

686
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: we slash our wrists, and I do want to say, though,

687
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: that can easily be flipped into an incredibly uplifting thing,

688
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: because what matters in our lives but the time that

689
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: we're alive, no matter what, if it's a simulation or not.

690
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: And what is more liberating to a species? Then two,

691
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: if we were to actually realize, if we could convince

692
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: humanity and go, guys, we were chimpanzees. We were tapped

693
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: by by by the Odessa of the hydra of fucking

694
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: like cosmic plans. This thing has one goal for us,

695
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: which is to make ourselves obsolete, like we are getting

696
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: so close as of the Petta bite of like like

697
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: putting ourselves out of a job. Can we please realize

698
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: that if we go by chimpanzee standards, we have nailed it.

699
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: We're richie rich. And if we stop right now and

700
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: just hit the floor and fuck and like I eat

701
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: nuts and berries and groom ourselves and disco dance like

702
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: we would, we'd be cheated the system. Like like we

703
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: could we could do it. We could just stop, we

704
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: could just go this compulsion within our genes. We we

705
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: we we have one chance, because it had to give

706
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: us just enough free will whatever you call that to like,

707
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: because to make it so important to us to to

708
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: to do all this ship that and we could possibly

709
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: abuse that, we could hack it and we could go Nope.

710
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm the Hawkeye Pierce of this mash. I choose to

711
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: drink Martinis in my tent and make jokes about the

712
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: Korean War and h I choose to make the Korean

713
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: War last eleven years in syndication. I choose to bend

714
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: all rules like you you fucked up. You trust to Chimpanzee.

715
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: You get what you pay for like we we we

716
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: we we can talk, we can podcast, we can party.

717
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: We're calling that the tie up of the line, and

718
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: like we're just gonna chill now do the club is

719
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: called I'm just one. One thing I really love about

720
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: Ricky Morty is that like there's a place for ship

721
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: like you just went through in that show where there

722
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in any other cartoon type show. I could imagine.

723
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: It's more of the kind of stuff you've seen like

724
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: Black Mirror, like dystopian science fiction. And that's the thing

725
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: that's really important to me about the shows that it's funny,

726
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: it's heartfelt, but it has they had asked these kinds

727
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: of questions and it it does it an intelligent and

728
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: engaging way. And it makes me think of this conversation

729
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: about the episode where like there's like a tiny universe

730
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: and like this battery that's powering Rick spaceship, and then

731
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: those people make another tiny universe in that tiny universe,

732
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: and those people make another tiny universe inside that. It

733
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: makes me think of the simulation theory. So I was

734
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: wondering where that idea came from, and like, that's exactly

735
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: where it came from. I mean I think we yeah,

736
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: we we we We would talk endlessly about that stuff.

737
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: In the writer's room. We were just sort of like, yeah,

738
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: it's that is what we do. Right where he was.

739
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: We talked about domestication of dogs last night. It dogs

740
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: are sort of an expression of our that that's that's

741
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: technology that that humans learned they could manipulate. That's biotech.

742
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Like we learned that if you make this Shelty funk

743
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: this othern Shelty, and you leave this Shelty that's not

744
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: behaving the way we wanted to that then you change

745
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: what a shelty is. And looking into this, there was

746
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: a very interesting question regarding this, Uh there was there

747
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: was this idea. It was originally posed as can dogs

748
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: be racist? That was the original that was this starting

749
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: point of that question. There's a radio lab about that,

750
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: by the way that I think they delve into that

751
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: question and I can't remember what they found. Yeah, the

752
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: well what was fascinating too with this There there's a

753
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: lot of neurochemistry at play, and there's also the question

754
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: of uh, people not being entirely conscious or self aware,

755
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: uh like not even like not meta cognitive about why

756
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: they do things. Teaching, like, there's teaching another creature that

757
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: will also remember, replicate, and and maybe at times instruct

758
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: that kind of behavior. We have these imperfect teachers who

759
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: don't really know the curriculum they're teaching, and then we

760
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 1: have these uh maybe not the smartest, but very dedicated

761
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: students who repeat this behavior. And so it went down

762
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: into this idea of have people have human beings or

763
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: the earlier mixtapes of human beings and the concurrent ones.

764
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: Have they have they trained? Have they trained dogs so

765
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: much that they became like did they stare at the

766
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 1: leash so long that the leash stared back at them?

767
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: Trained us? And then this part of the conversation that

768
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: that haunted me just a bit was the the idea

769
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: and that we can trace could we trace the origin

770
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: point of that first interaction that first canead homeo whatever interaction? Uh?

771
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: And then from that, could we could we find another

772
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: bread crumb or another you know, line or red string

773
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: on the board that that traces later evolution. And then

774
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: could we find some sort of imborn thing such that

775
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: people who came late to the canad game versus people

776
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: who came early for lack of a better word, Uh,

777
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: could could we find something real about that? And so

778
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: I looked into the origins, like the some of the

779
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: most recent research on the evolution of domestication of dogs,

780
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: and there are maybe three guesses and they're very broad. Uh.

781
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: And there and even the people who are like hardcore

782
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: about it and like this is where it happened. I

783
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: think probably guys, I don't know. I'm just trying to

784
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: get funding. So there's sure about the origin of the

785
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: domestic dog as we are about ourselves. Yeah, the boy

786
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: and his dog kind of thing. Not the not the

787
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: Ellison story, but the boy and his dog sort of

788
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 1: convenient myth is just that it's it's a campaign point

789
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: to Syria or the Fertile Crescenter. There's three guesses, but

790
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: they're all they're all kind of roughly, uh, roughly based

791
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: on where an extinct version of wolf is thought to exist.

792
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: So there's like you see the map, there's East Asia, Uh,

793
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: there's America. I want to say I'm missing the second one,

794
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: and then there's and then there's uh specific region of Europe.

795
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: But when I say specific, I just mean like in

796
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: broad you know, north of this part or east to

797
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: this part. You know, they don't have There's not there's

798
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: not a dig site where anyone found like the first

799
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Homo sapien or Homo neanderthalas or something, and then the

800
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: first dog hanging out, you know, so we really don't know,

801
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: which means I I hate to agree. I hate to

802
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: agree with this kind of uh inability to pinpoint a

803
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: beginning and ending to what we call reality. But that

804
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: means that this that that means that we we are

805
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: we have been outpaced by the technology we created since

806
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: the very beginning right, because we don't know. This has

807
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: been my kind of it sounds like a joke, but

808
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: I truly I just think, because I just asked the

809
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: question of my podcast, how do we know the extent

810
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: to which dogs have shaped our evolution? If dogs, if

811
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: we all agree that since the beginning, which we can't pinpoint, um,

812
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: that we make these broad estimates a hundred thousand years

813
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: fifty thousand years that dogs have have have been by

814
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: our sides, um, how do we know the extent to

815
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: which the ability to read a dog's face, uh, to

816
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: be comfortable around a dog, to be able to sense

817
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: when a dog is or isn't going to uh growl

818
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: or share, or how do we know that those things

819
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: didn't become survival traits that that lent to our own

820
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: natural selection within our own species. I mean, for God's sakes,

821
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: to what extent does the ability to work with a

822
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: camaro affect the gene pool of a trailer park from

823
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty to nineteen ninety like like like like it now,

824
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: it's like, don't don't don't at me. I don't know

825
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: when the camaro was an um, but it's like you imagine,

826
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: for God's sakes, like uh, yeah, the the ability to

827
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: run a dog as the code that it is. Like yeah,

828
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: of course before the television remote control existed, before chimneys

829
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: needed to be swept, before when dogs were the height

830
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: of technology. Um god, I mean like people that weren't

831
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: dog people could possibly have been just they're gone. Now

832
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: they're in some parallel universe where we didn't domesticate dogs,

833
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: and those people are in charge. It's just hyenas, right.

834
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: It is really odd to imagine how dire that technology

835
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: was when you were dealing with a wolf and those

836
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: little things you're talking about, the the micro movements on

837
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: your face and your ability to really sense whether or

838
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: not this animal is going to attack or not. Like

839
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: that is those those minute things are so vital throughout

840
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: the learning of that because they talk, because there's a

841
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: chain reaction that takes place. When I was a kid,

842
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: that was always told like dogs can smell fear and

843
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: all these kinds of things, and you have reactions with

844
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: neighborhood dogs as I grew up in the Midwest and

845
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: there weren't like leash laws and all these things, Like

846
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: you just run across a random dog and maybe that

847
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: random dog stops and like takes you in and it's

848
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: like and I don't know how much of it is

849
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: superstition and uh pop science, but I had been told

850
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: as a kid like don't don't be afraid. Dogs can

851
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: smell fear, and so you'd have and that of course

852
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: causes what reaction in you when you run into a

853
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: strange dog. And then so then it happens, and then

854
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the dog is like growling and

855
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: barking at you viciously, and you're like, I fucked up.

856
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, it smelled my fear. That that that's like

857
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: the level of interaction we're having with dogs from the beginning.

858
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, you guys, you guys probably know. I

859
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: just just blows my mind that idea that they you know,

860
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: they put a laser kind of tracker on a dog's

861
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: head at one point, and like, like they definitively know

862
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: now that dogs they look at one side of the

863
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: human face. The fact that they look at our face

864
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: is insane. They which part the fact that they know

865
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: what pointing is they that they look at our face? Like,

866
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: why don't they think that we are our hands? Those

867
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: are the things that have food. The answer is because

868
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: the ones that weren't reading human faces are gone dead

869
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: men tell no tails they didn't reproduce, and the ones

870
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: that could pick up on the human face, and those

871
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: ones all look at one side of it. Why because

872
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: it's slightly more expressive by like a couple of nano

873
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: microns of musculature. We have one side of our face.

874
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: That's all that that tells a little bit more whether

875
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: we're piste, disappointed or here you know, how about racist?

876
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: Like that's why I think cops razor explanation is no dogs,

877
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: probably why would being racists help them survive? What helps

878
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: them survive way more easily is being able to read

879
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: their owner, and if their owner is crossing the street

880
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: every time, then but you know, it's like they're gonna

881
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: they're probably just great amplifiers of our internal like unrecognized

882
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: anxiety about zeno people. I love the way we're talking

883
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: about the idea of dogs is technology, Like it makes

884
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: perfect sense, but I never really thought of it quite

885
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: like that. At one point you made last night was

886
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: like we're talking about the book Sapiens and how you know,

887
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: in Neanderthals figured out how to use tools. That was

888
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: an advantage, but they never really progressed past that and

889
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: then you know, um, Homo sapiens could use tools but

890
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: could also like organize better and they would like to

891
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: fight every time. I think it's like Neanderthal. I can't

892
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: remember if Neanderthal's hand tools that are like homo erectives exactly,

893
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: They were like tools specialists. The point is, though, the

894
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: idea that we it was an ada take and for

895
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: us to figure out how to work with dogs, and

896
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: it affected our revolution in the same way that like

897
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: it affected their evolution, well it affected it is probably

898
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: an extension of what like like that Guy's A big

899
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: kind of thesis is that the one thing that we're

900
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: really good at that that reigns down through everything else,

901
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: is we're good at believing in bullshit, We're good at gossip,

902
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: we're good at ideology. It translated into our ability to

903
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: say things like, um, hey, you want to go kick

904
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: some Neanderthal asked Tomorrow, Why who told you that's a

905
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: good idea? You haven't heard of him? His name Steve.

906
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: And meanwhile in the Neanderthal camp, they're like, hey, have

907
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: you heard if you seen these like Homo sapiens like

908
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: walking around. I think they're dicks and like who told

909
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: you that? Uh, Steve, I don't know, Steve, shut up

910
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: and get back to neanderthal ing, and they maxed out

911
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: at functionality of like a hundred Neanderthals. Meanwhile, there's twenty

912
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: thousand Homo sapiens over the hill tweaking up a storm

913
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: like just and it's snowballing. And that's how our capacity

914
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: to invent language and flags and ideologies, like we take

915
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: things that aren't real more seriously than things right in

916
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: front of our goddamn face. And especially that the economy

917
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: between what is real? What what is more real? What

918
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: is the priority? So I'll tell you what's more real?

919
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: What's that? Uh? Universe is created by BEFESDA and other

920
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: video game companies because I I hear you talking about

921
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: Fallout all the time and some of these other games,

922
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: and I know we're all like some sky rim some

923
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: What give me an open world where I can exist

924
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: to take my mind off of this one for a

925
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: little while, and you know, have enough agency to where

926
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: I can feel as though I'm doing something. Um, get

927
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: the rewards? Do you do? You? Guys? I don't want

928
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: to derail too much, but do you guys feel like

929
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: like I'm just trying to apply that kind of Um.

930
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the impulse that we have of wanting

931
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: to escape. And you know a lot of the things

932
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: humans do is to escape having to deal with whatever

933
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: we're having to deal with And I want am I

934
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: just going way too off the rails here. I don't

935
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: even know what I'm trying to talk about. There are

936
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: no rails conversation. We're trying to bring it back to

937
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: the A lot of what we're talking about here, like um,

938
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: entertaining ourselves. But we we got so good at organizing

939
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: and do all these things that we've created these these

940
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: alternate fas to care about a thing, a simulation of sorts,

941
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: I guess so. But in this in this version, yeah, yeah,

942
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: you can build things like like in Minecraft or something

943
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: like that, where you can just endlessly create something while

944
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: completely ignoring all that's in front of your face. That's

945
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: what I was, and completely ignoring the consequences because there's

946
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: no consequences in the game, even if you like play

947
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: you know morally or whatever, like I mean, you know,

948
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, there's no real consequence.

949
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: But on the flip side of that, maybe UM, also

950
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: the utter uh, stability of consequence, like as in if

951
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: you're if you play an open world sandbox game, what's

952
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: the one thing that really pisces you off? Um some

953
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: bug or bad game design that involves you, um coming

954
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: back into the game and some ship that you put

955
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: some energy into and one by you know, experience and

956
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: hardship um and practice that is somehow undone. That is

957
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: like we get we get so angry because what are

958
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: we getting from a video game that we're not getting

959
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: from real life? It's just consistency um minecraft best example

960
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: ever which but but but also knitting. I mean that's

961
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: the because I I it and dog domestications like I

962
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: did this thing. It's god damn there, it's not going anywhere.

963
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: Like we draw such like we are addicted to that

964
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: because we are, after all, pattern recognizers, Like that is

965
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: our double down that we our chimpanzees gone hay wire

966
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: with this obsession of finding and predicting patterns. And then

967
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: we get this rush when we successfully um say, well,

968
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: according to everything that I've put all this energy into,

969
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: if I plug this wire into this thing, this is

970
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: going to come up. It's going to be a red light.

971
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: And when it happens we go, holy sh it, and

972
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: we barely take any time to celebrate, because celebration doesn't

973
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: spike our dopamine quite as much as going onto the

974
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: next thing. We go like we are. Celebration takes the

975
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: form of like, do you realize what this means? I

976
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: can do? This means I can make three colors of

977
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: lights if I get three wires. And then we moved,

978
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: So we move on to the next thing that arguably

979
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 1: is going to frustrate the hell out of us because

980
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out at a certain point we know

981
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: we fux something I was wrong about that. Why is

982
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: it now that there's three wires, there's it's sucking up

983
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: and we we act like we hate that, And yet

984
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: what are we doing, Like what we're chasing that dopamine

985
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: spike of when we we get the positive result. We

986
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: just don't want that positive result taken away from us.

987
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: Um And that's what I think, That's what video games provide.

988
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: It's it is it is this fantasy that we we

989
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: were we were promised by God. In real life, Hey,

990
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: if you guys find an apple and it's the right color,

991
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: you bite into it, it's not going to kill you.

992
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: And time and time again, life lies bite into it.

993
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: There's a worm and and it's like, hey, man, you're

994
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: not the only thing on earth, Like there's a worm.

995
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: You wanted an apple too? Whatever? Boy, And like, well

996
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: tell me okay, and okay, I'll incorporate that, like I'll

997
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: invent a worm detect here. But it's like we expect results,

998
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: you know. And then God says, I don't know, man,

999
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: you ever hear of a hurricane? Whatever? Bro so long,

1000
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: I thought you thought you understood the economy. You got

1001
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: a nice penthouse in New Orleans, like whatever. And we're like,

1002
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: you can't keep changing them rules like minecraft, don't do that.

1003
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build a thing that always has the same rules,

1004
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: right yeah, So off off, Mike. We we looked around

1005
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: and realized that we've actually we've been talking for some time,

1006
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: at least the way we're measuring time in this reality

1007
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: or this interpretation thereof. And Dan, we've been we've been

1008
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: sort of waxing. We've been we've been um philosophizing, and

1009
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: oddly enough, other than two or three things, we haven't

1010
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: we haven't bridged any sort of specific conspiracy and creative

1011
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: non non action in an environment I can't believe we

1012
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: didn't get the most work you've ever gotten done done

1013
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: during my tenure here. Oh no, No, I think we're

1014
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: gonna I think we I think we have probably just

1015
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: to be completely transparent, we probably have like ten twelve

1016
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: episodes that we have to go back now and do

1017
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: we have to do like an an hour on the

1018
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: stuff that we touched on. I think we all agree

1019
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: this is going to be a freewheeling thing, and we

1020
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: we don't always get to do that, but it's really

1021
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: fun just to like let it let it rip, you know.

1022
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: And I just hope me combined with John Hodgeman doesn't

1023
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: create like a like And I would assume as some

1024
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: of you guys probably have some pretty intelligent, pretty non

1025
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: star fucking fans that are like, I don't care, like

1026
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: like like don't well, I mean, dude, that John Hodgman

1027
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: bit was supposed to be in the intro was just

1028
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun little thing to plug his book,

1029
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: and then it just kept going and ended up being

1030
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: a great episode. And I really that's why we wouldn't

1031
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: have put it out if it hadn't have been an

1032
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: interesting perspective on something that we talked about all the

1033
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: time we just secret societies, and he had this insight

1034
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: and for information that kind of helped us demystify secret

1035
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: societies a little bit, and we just let it roll

1036
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: because it was great and we had a good time

1037
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: and listeners, I think dig it. And he never told

1038
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: us who that person was, right that that That was

1039
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: my first question when I pulled up to these guys

1040
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: and they're helping me Park, I was like, did Hodgeman

1041
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: tell you who this like rich douchebag is that has

1042
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: these parties at Masonic lodges and they don't know? Well,

1043
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: that was the one that he wished to be reinvited to.

1044
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: Spilled the beans on book and snake, I think, but

1045
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: then there was like the nondescript Illuminati esque gathering that

1046
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: he would not divulge, which just because I find it

1047
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: interesting and I think it actually is interesting to your listeners,

1048
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: Like that is a question that came up when you

1049
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: guys were in my podcast. Was this idea of uh,

1050
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: you guys saying, uh, people are about at keeping secrets,

1051
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: which sort of undercuts the uh feasibility of some of

1052
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: these more extreme kind of moon landing scale conspiracies. However,

1053
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: um when you when you unpack certain small scale things.

1054
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: They like, for instance, the fact that John Hodgeman got

1055
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 1: invited to this super swanky uh like surrounded by rich,

1056
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: famous people, all of whom were told keep this a secret,

1057
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: because that's how we like to do it, and his

1058
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: sentiment amount it was I wrote, I described it in

1059
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: my book. I'm describing it here, but I'm not telling

1060
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: you who it was, because I want to be invited back.

1061
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: And I found that to be a profound uh portrayal

1062
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: of like the other side of the that that theory,

1063
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: which is that, oh uh, nine eleven couldn't be an

1064
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: inside job because look at the dufases that were in

1065
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: power when it happened. How could they possibly have pulled

1066
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: off the suppression of nine eleven when they couldn't even

1067
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: defend us against nine eleven? Um they can't even It's

1068
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: like like like like we get kind of addicted to

1069
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: that feeling sometimes, but then again, it's like there are

1070
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: other kinds of conspiracies that are like it easier to

1071
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: keep a secret sometimes on that last night. Whereas the

1072
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: idea of like mass even with the Sapien stuff, the

1073
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: idea that we figured out how to cooperate through stories

1074
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: like mass scale cooperation is sort of our bread and

1075
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: butter as a species. But we talked about the idea like,

1076
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: how could these warring factions, you know, cooperate a and

1077
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: then keep a secret, you know, for for that long

1078
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about the end of Sapiens. You're talking

1079
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: about how it applied to Kay and and then you

1080
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: we it came up last night where the idea was

1081
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: there are absolute examples of that kind of cooperation when

1082
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: you can point to that benefit, whether it's continuing to

1083
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 1: enrich your bougie you know, Illuminati would gathering pals, or

1084
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: whether it's uh, you know, two countries that have something

1085
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: to gain. One of the most effective benefits. However, at

1086
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: least by impression from our conversation, there was the avoidance

1087
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: of consequence. If the script is water marked, you know,

1088
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: and you get a copy of eight Man three and

1089
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: you're like, it's like it's like, look, Marvel really wants

1090
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: you to take a look at this, Like I'm making

1091
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: up this example. I swear to God, but it's like

1092
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 1: you're you don't want to be uncool, Like, uh, it's

1093
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: the it's the fear of consequence. If you guys. After

1094
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: the after we hit stop, you go, Okay, this is

1095
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: the thing we do with all our guests. Uh, get

1096
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: out the pipe. We're gonna smoke this like three inch

1097
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: larva from the Amazon. It's gonna make you see the

1098
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: dwarves that construct time. Um. But then don't tell anybody

1099
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: that we did this. Okay, I'm eventually going to tell

1100
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: of duncan trust. So I'm gonna tell a lot of people. Um.

1101
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: But if it's tied to like if that smoking that

1102
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: worm gives me an orgasm beyond which I've never had,

1103
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: and then you tell me at the end of it,

1104
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,919
Speaker 1: like we do it once a week, if like and

1105
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: we're you're now you now have a tracker in your

1106
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: body because of the worm, Like the worm actually sends

1107
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: out a signal. If you tell anybody about it, and

1108
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: then you're you simply will deny it and you won't

1109
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: ever get to do it again. And if someone else

1110
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: who is also has one of these trackers violates that,

1111
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: then you are as part and parcel duty bound to

1112
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: Oh and I think I that holds fast, that that

1113
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: that confounds the idea of humans can't keep a secret.

1114
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: Humans can't keep a secret. Because usually, by and large,

1115
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: betraying a secret has a lot more dopamine spike to

1116
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: offer than keeping it. But yeah, like the example I

1117
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: use downstairs, it's like, even if it's just simple, like

1118
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: if United Airlines had a program, it was like for

1119
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: whatever reason, like free first class forever for the rest

1120
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: of your life. All you have to do is never

1121
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: tell anybody about it. Okay, fine, I have no I

1122
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: get no profit from telling people I'm flying first class.

1123
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: They'll just yell at me anyway if I tweet it,

1124
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: So of course I'm not gonna tell anybody. It's like,

1125
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: why would I? But I I still I still not

1126
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: a percent on board. I think it's I think it

1127
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: is uh steadfast, like it's a water tight point, but

1128
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I think we have to consider time because

1129
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: the function over time also also challenges that, like when

1130
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: we have when we have things that are secret, people

1131
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,919
Speaker 1: will die for, people will kill for, people will benefit

1132
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,919
Speaker 1: from perpetuating right. The time will eventually turn my United

1133
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: leg Room program. I'll get diabetes and lose both my legs. Um,

1134
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: i won't be able to fly anywhere because of a

1135
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: stint in my heart. And at that point there will

1136
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: be more a reward and telling people everything I know

1137
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: about United Secret fire program and deathbed confession tropes, right,

1138
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: but cliches even. But the the next I think the

1139
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: next step of that uh that that we've talked about,

1140
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: um pretty in depth actually, and I hope we didn't

1141
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: ruin your show doing it, But we talked about the

1142
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: idea of uh when the idea of keeping something secret

1143
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: in some sort of like sacro sanct never talked about

1144
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: this box versus rendering the secret somehow less valuable or irrelevant.

1145
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: So for the uh, the leg room conspiracy for the

1146
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: first class, for free conspiracy, then the idea becomes, what

1147
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: if spitballing, what if now there's teleportation and uh, you

1148
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: know what if we've broken our lives to fight for

1149
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: the honor of you know, the worm and the and

1150
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: the airline in the first class and now the people

1151
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: who who brought us into this are all about teleportation,

1152
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: you know. And they thing is like hipster and quaint

1153
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: that you physically fly on an aircraft and any think

1154
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: it's your thing. But now you want to teleport Now

1155
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: that now, no matter what you say about that specific

1156
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: instance of what was a life and death secret, no

1157
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: one don't care, especially if they're inundated with information, right,

1158
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: because now again we are unequipped to deal with what's

1159
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: the Dunbar's number argument, we can only know how many

1160
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: people is it? I don't know exactly, only it's in

1161
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: the hundred. I was going to say, like three. So

1162
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: you're saying, yeah, I think what I think to your point,

1163
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:50,480
Speaker 1: you're saying, to take JFK for example, then for reasons

1164
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: both individual to humans and to uh, it would collectively

1165
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: the conspiracy the size of which would be required to

1166
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: assassinate Kennedy and keep keep it all a secret. The

1167
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: number of people that would have to have known. Not

1168
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: only would they end up dying moving into political phases

1169
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: where it was more profitable to tell the truth, um,

1170
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: but also just in general they would have bigger secrets.

1171
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, there would be a going back to

1172
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: the idea of consistency of consequence, which is not a

1173
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: real thing in the real world. Right. Uh, we can

1174
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: write laws, we can make video games implying a situation

1175
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: which that would exist. But yeah, I think. I think

1176
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: just as technology evolves at a very quick pace as

1177
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: to humanity, organic things continue to evolve. We see this

1178
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: situation where on an individual at a societal level, the

1179
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 1: concept of value of him form evolves. What's even like

1180
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: the UFO thing we talked about, the flippy you know,

1181
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: the you know, inside the cockpit videos of like these

1182
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: identified objects, and yeah, now the Navy is like, yeah,

1183
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: that's what it is. We don't really care anymore. It's

1184
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: not worth it us to like do the dancing of

1185
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: our best pilots were trans and now we have to

1186
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: replace them, like treading water. I'm just saying the rules changed,

1187
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: like the times change, the rules changed. It's like, yeah,

1188
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: of course there were UFOs the whole time, idiots. I mean,

1189
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're talking about, Like the goalpost

1190
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: moves and the consequences changed. Therefore people can wantingly come

1191
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: out and be like, yeah, of course you were doing

1192
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,440
Speaker 1: that the whole time. You didn't know. So secrecy exists

1193
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: in a given scenario so long as, uh, that secrecy

1194
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: is somehow seen as beneficial and there must be a

1195
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: tipping point where it's rendered irrelevant or where it is uh.

1196
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's slippery though, because that's very very

1197
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: close to saying that there is no such thing over

1198
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: time as a secret. That's very optimistic. I think, well,

1199
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: but you describe to now take the Illuminati. It's simultaneously

1200
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: completely discredited by some of this stuff. But then it's

1201
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: it's the exception that proves the rule, because you go,

1202
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: if there's a society, if you guys smoke that worm

1203
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: with me afterwards, and then you keep adding more worms,

1204
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: that's what the Illuminati is. It's the teleportation principle. They say.

1205
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: The more time changes, they say, it's not going to

1206
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: stop changing. And we've been doing this for six hundred years.

1207
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: So we've got lots of stories to tell you about

1208
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: people who have come before you that's succumbed to the

1209
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: temptation to write, to tell all or to cash in

1210
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: their chips. And that person's name was Dave Chappelle. And

1211
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: now look what happened to him or whatever that they'll

1212
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: give like uh examples that this person is in their

1213
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: underwear in the street, like like now they're officially classified

1214
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: as a crazy person, and like their children aren't going

1215
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: to go to the right schools, or even if they do,

1216
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: their grandchildren will be broke if they depending on what

1217
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: they reveal to you, and then they go. On the

1218
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: other hand, you have a subscription to a to a

1219
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: cheat code library where everyone's going to keep playing Mario Brothers.

1220
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: You alone are always going to have access to the

1221
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: hidden levels. You're always going to be able to Uh.

1222
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: It might even include being able to benefit your friends

1223
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: who aren't in the illuminati. You might you might be

1224
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: able to pick and choose like the circumstances. That might

1225
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: be like a personal benefit of it. And it's like

1226
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: all they ask you to do is eat a baby

1227
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: every October or But it's like I I I kind

1228
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: of ask myself off, like I don't think I have

1229
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: anything innately inside of me that would necessary sarahly um Uh,

1230
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: when it gets that extreme, I wonder if I have

1231
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: the marrow in my bones that would simply go no,

1232
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: that's the right thing to do. I'm gonna bring this

1233
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: wholding down, especially if the overwhelming indication was you can't

1234
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: do that. You think you're the first kuy to think that.

1235
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: And it won't matter if you do right, You'll, it'll

1236
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: he'll just turn into a You'll, You'll be classic, you'll

1237
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: be called a drug addict and a schezophrenic. Is it

1238
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: a baby per person or is it a baby per

1239
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: like organization? That's going to determine why where I fall

1240
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: in this line that really is genuinely it's accurate. Yeah,

1241
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 1: it feels accurate and scary because I've never actually thought

1242
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: about it in that particular way. Well, when Hodgman was

1243
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: talking about the secret societies, even though even though he

1244
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: was doing it with a willful and knowledged like kind

1245
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: of perspective, or he's like, yeah, all they really do

1246
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: is sit around and read books or jerk off, and

1247
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 1: like I can call offense and like Dracula, like, it

1248
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: doesn't change the fact that when I think about the

1249
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: existence of something like the Skull and Bone Society, I

1250
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: gotta be brutally honest and say, like, the one of

1251
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: the primary reactions I have is jealousy, Like I do.

1252
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: I am the guy that like the airline offers like

1253
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: platinum v I P whatever. It's anytime there's like a

1254
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, airline lounge, it's like and they have an

1255
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: extra platinum door and you can't get past that one

1256
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: unless you have the other thing. And I'm like, I'm

1257
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: always just like filled with this like just envy. Yeah,

1258
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, get me, get me everywhere.

1259
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: I want the whole thing. Like I want and you

1260
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: really could fool me easily. When the viper room was

1261
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: still open here in l A. The viper room had

1262
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: two booths and it was just they were they were

1263
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: booths that were smaller than something you could get it

1264
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: as Showne's and but there were the only place to

1265
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: sit and they were v I P booths and I

1266
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: was just like I was just such a sucker for it.

1267
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: I like, I'm not going to the viper room unless

1268
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: I know a v I P. So I can sit

1269
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: in one of those booths. It's like like it's garbage,

1270
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: Like you could be I could be sold a closet

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Speaker 1: to stand in if you called it a v I

1272
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: P closet anyway. So I'm just saying, like the Builderberg

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01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: contacted me, if if the Masons had turned out to

1274
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: be real, I'd be like, come on, yeah, it makes

1275
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: me a member. Most most I agree with you. I

1276
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: think most people would, because that's there's this psychotomy between

1277
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: this maybe not the best example, but it's like the

1278
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: we see so many paintings that we've made of ourselves, right,

1279
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: so many like the Norman Rockwell things, so many self

1280
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: portraits we've made, whether it's our Netflix Q full of

1281
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: a ton of documentaries that we we like to think

1282
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: we're the person who would watched that, you know what

1283
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, You know, like people are scrolling through or like, yeah, man,

1284
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: I give so many ships about North Korea. What's happening

1285
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: there is terrible? And then you know, look at what

1286
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: you recently watched. One of those is the story we

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01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: tell about ourselves, and the other one is who we

1288
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: are defined by our actions. And it is a very difficult,

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Speaker 1: I would say preposterous assumption to make that any significant majority,

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01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: forget that any significant minority of human beings would given

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01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: that sort of choice, say nah, I got my got

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01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: my thing. You know, and about if seven billion, five

1293
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: million people all are immersed in one reality and you

1294
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: beckon me back into the back room of the Vatican

1295
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: and you tell me we've been doing this for a

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01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: thousand years. Here's the seals very steak, here's a goblet

1297
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: of wine. This is Bill Gates, this is Tom Hanks.

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: Take a bite of this baby. I mean that is

1299
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: those the deal breakers would get down to those minutia.

1300
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: It would be like bite this baby. Am I killing

1301
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: the baby? And they revealing that the that there was

1302
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: baby in the baby back rib that I already ate

1303
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: with Tom Hanks and as Tom Hanks like I'm on

1304
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: my third one, like just relaxed, but really taking that

1305
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: away from it, it's just sort of like I do.

1306
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: It's funny how like offended I'll get about the idea

1307
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: of like autocracy versus democracy, like the bullet that I

1308
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: believe I would take in the in the reality of

1309
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 1: like um, like like how what I truly actually do

1310
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: believe that with push came to shove, the torture I'd

1311
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: endor and the sacrifice I'd be willing to commit to

1312
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: protect my fellow human beings freedoms actually is pretty extreme

1313
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: by my own measure, Like I look at myself and

1314
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: I go, you're a little bit of a funk when

1315
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, Like you you'd almost cut

1316
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: off your nose despite your face, just to make a

1317
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: point about how important it is for to not let

1318
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: that vampire into that kitchen. But that's when it's on

1319
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: that small scale and just But when I think about

1320
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: the Harry Potter version of it, where people are just

1321
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: like no, it's magic, Like it's we have a secret

1322
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: entrance in the subway, and we will teach every every

1323
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: every everyone that thinks they're eating calamari is eating pigannis

1324
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: and only we know. And like, like, when it gets

1325
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: that fun, I think I'd keep secrets. I'd start to go, well, jeez,

1326
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean this is like a Joss Wheaton show, you know,

1327
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: Like I'd feel like like, like, well, now I'm a

1328
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: hero for taking part of this. I'm like, I'm like, uh,

1329
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner and Alias, you know, it's like, oh, you're

1330
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: part of the CIA. You're like, you're part of this. Sure,

1331
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: I'll do wet work, but how much of that is

1332
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: how much of that is frame such that participating in

1333
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: this is the one way to matter, because that means

1334
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: not participating in it. If one would assume that immediately,

1335
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: no matter what you do right in opposition to this,

1336
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: if you like, if you blow it up and you

1337
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: say you go public and you're like, this is how

1338
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: you get first class on this air flight? Uh, this

1339
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: is what happens to all those babies. Uh. And here's

1340
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: you know, a thigh bone of a child or whatever.

1341
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: It didn't mean for my voice to sound that arch,

1342
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: but you or that excited or a child. Well that's

1343
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: the primo part because it's like, no, just think about it. Okay,

1344
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: So it's for the table. No, no, like six six

1345
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: to eight people, Well, you guys, whatever, drink the kool a.

1346
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: The new phrase should be taste the baby for so

1347
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: the yes, the thought then is the alternative if if

1348
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: such a situation like that exists, the alternative then is complete.

1349
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: So it makes me think of Tommy Lee Jones leaving

1350
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: Will Smith on the park bench in the first act

1351
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: of Men in Black, Like what a brilliantly crafted It's

1352
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: like instead of uh sweating away over, you know, like

1353
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: what could have easily been a two page screenplay, you know,

1354
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: joylessly adapting this thing. Was like they took such a

1355
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: simple approach, which was Will Smith found himself accidentally finding

1356
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: out as a New York cop that you know, some

1357
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: people have four arms, and uh, what's his face? Uh,

1358
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: I've forgot his name. Tommy Lee like sits him down

1359
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: and says, here's the deal. There's a bigger world out there,

1360
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: and you got a choice, and I'm gonna get up,

1361
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna walk away and and you you can

1362
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: forget about all this. And I don't know if you

1363
01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: explicitly says like, if you do like, I'll actually literally

1364
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: you make you forget. But it took me give him

1365
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: a day or time. Yeah, it's like it's like but

1366
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,759
Speaker 1: it's like in that moment, I remember reading that script

1367
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: because I was new out here, and then I saw

1368
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 1: it on the screen and I had the same response

1369
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: it was, I was like, God, this is just such

1370
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: a simple It's a simple, brilliant way of like ushering

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01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: an audience across a threshold. Simple And another great example,

1372
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: it's like you don't always need to have a refusal

1373
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: of the call in these stories because there actually are

1374
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: just absolutely that there's thresholds that you just don't have

1375
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: a choice but to cross. And and it's like, do

1376
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: you really want to go back to working in your

1377
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: laundromat now that we have like touched your life and

1378
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: made it more magical. I feel like you really called

1379
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: us out because at the beginning of every episode there's

1380
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: that you can turn back now apart right you guys.

1381
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys fully in a doorbell sound, I

1382
01:23:54,880 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: ask you about that dark forces bringing your door you

1383
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: can turn back now from your own can't believe that's

1384
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's so funny. That's a big question about

1385
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: that was like we stripped that out of the video,

1386
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: and then the video there's a door like there's a

1387
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: visual of like shadow twilight Zone. That's what I was like,

1388
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's like the door in twilight Zone, right

1389
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: and Nat Nat created that from back when we were

1390
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: we started out as a YouTube show and we we

1391
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: were thinking, like we need an intro. It needs to

1392
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: be it needs to be sexy to be immersive, right

1393
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 1: right right right? Have you actually seen it ever? No,

1394
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Well, one day, we'll watch opening

1395
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: the drumbeat? Is it? It's a little off. Yeah, that's

1396
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: my fault again. When I was a young man, did

1397
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: is that one? And you were kind of doing it

1398
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: my fingers, didn't you? I know, I did it with

1399
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: my hands on you just like you just you didn't

1400
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: quantize just kept the performance. I redid it three times.

1401
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: I didn't quantize it. And because I don't know what

1402
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: I was doing recording. Have you heard the artist flying lotus?

1403
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like a like an awesome producer.

1404
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: He does that all the time, like like very like

1405
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: like unquantized skittery beats. I've always hip hop does that.

1406
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: Now they deliberately rob you of your expectation, like Jay

1407
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: Diller or whatever like that, even like, yeah, exactly like

1408
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: the NPC in the past, all of whom I got

1409
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: that because every time I'm like I'm like here, it

1410
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: comes like it's this, don't do I am mortified. So

1411
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 1: it's we've all thought it. Oh my god. It's also

1412
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: settling to a degree. Yes, imagine if the dark forces

1413
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: not only rain your doorbell machine, but like also just

1414
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: for like never quantized exactly, well, the dark forces don't

1415
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: they don't quantize, well, they might should be to their

1416
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: own drum machine. Listen, listen, I'm calling the stop to

1417
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: this episode right now. Listen. I only wanted to ask

1418
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: you about promise. Oh that's not that was my conspiracy,

1419
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: like the in slaw software stuff. Yeah, that's it. That

1420
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: was my thing that When I mentioned I was like,

1421
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: I have a pet conspiracy theory lay over that I

1422
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you guys about it. But we can

1423
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's go, let's go somewhere. I have

1424
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: a drink. Let's do it. The audience is like, oh, thanks,

1425
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: thanks for talking about dog domestication. Go have fun talking

1426
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: about conspiracy theories. Don't don't, don't don't. All right, well,

1427
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: let just I don't want to kick the table over you.

1428
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: That sounds like sounds like a fantastic idea because we

1429
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: need to First off, I need to learn a little

1430
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: bit more about promise and I would prefer you guys

1431
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 1: know me, I'm not super great off the cuffs, So

1432
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: prosecutors in an acronym ever everything. Oh wow, so we're

1433
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 1: burning down the show to save the show. Thank you

1434
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in, everybody, Uh Dan, thank you

1435
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: so much for hanging out now. As you as you

1436
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: established earlier in our episode, today, you have you have

1437
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:40,799
Speaker 1: departed Twitter, right, but you are still active by various

1438
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: concerns about surveillance states on the social media's, uh with

1439
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: particularly Instagram? Is that correct? Yeah, that's like my one

1440
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: outlet you've created like your own surveillance state. I have

1441
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: like a sixteen camera cardio vascular workout program with green screen. Yeah,

1442
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: and about forty people at a time watch it. And

1443
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: there's like regulars that have formed a community around watching

1444
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 1: me lift weights and swim. Do you see the feedback?

1445
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: Do you respond ever? Or yeah? Yeah, okay, Yeah, there's

1446
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: people that have become part of it's like a family

1447
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: and and and uh I I like I made a

1448
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 1: title sequence for the workout and they include like some

1449
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: of the people that only comment, you know, like like

1450
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: as if they're cast members. Like is that the guy

1451
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: at the table on his computer? Is that a separate

1452
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,759
Speaker 1: thing or is that just something you made once or twice?

1453
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 1: That was stock footage that I used to Like, that's

1454
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: a pre roll kind of thing. I love. I love

1455
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: as I'm setting up the feed that I bring that

1456
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: guy up and that's a loop of him sitting there typing,

1457
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: and then at any point I can then hit the

1458
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: button that goes into the sixty second it's about to

1459
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: start kind of thing. Well, where can people see this

1460
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: for themselves? I have to say to Like, my daughter

1461
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: isn't quite old enough to watch Ricky Morty, but I

1462
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: am a big fan of your car songs, and I

1463
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: got the earbuds in and you've obviously made this track

1464
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: and your lip sinking in your car is even one

1465
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: were you're like taking a meeting at a studio and

1466
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: you sort of stopped the song or a a second talk

1467
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: to the security guard and then go back to the song.

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01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: She loves that, and we watched them together and it's

1469
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: a bonding thing for us, my my fiance's sisters kids. Uh,

1470
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: they I trust them to curate because I don't want

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01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: to think about kids listening to my songs when I

1472
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,759
Speaker 1: do them. But I really love the fact that, um,

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01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: some of the songs just happened by sheer coincidence to

1474
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: be pg. They're not about anything I think. And and

1475
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: then I love when kids love your songs. It's like, yeah,

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01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: the one about the pooping robot in particular kind of

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Speaker 1: a gem. But again see ever yourself. Those are all

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Speaker 1: like on the feed. But then the stories is where

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Speaker 1: you can see the or the live streams is where

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Speaker 1: you can see the workout videos. And when do when

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Speaker 1: does Rick and Morty officially start November something? I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there's a date yet trailer, but just start

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Speaker 1: staring at your television in November, and while you are

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Speaker 1: on the internet, while you are staring at your screen

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Speaker 1: of choice and thinking about the things, do you have

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Speaker 1: a bone to pick with this conversation? Do you have

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Speaker 1: a personal anecdote that applies? Do you distrust dogs? Let

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Speaker 1: us know. You can find us on Facebook, you can

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Speaker 1: find us on Instagram, you can find us on Twitter

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Speaker 1: where all over the place, we particularly recommend our favorite

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Speaker 1: part of the Internet, our community or favorite part of Facebook,

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Speaker 1: sandbox Internet. Here's where it gets crazy. Our community page

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Speaker 1: where you can meet our favorite part of the show,

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Speaker 1: your fellow listeners. And what riddle me this, Matt, What

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Speaker 1: do people do if they hate social media? Oh? Well,

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Speaker 1: they pick up their their phone and they dial this

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Speaker 1: weird number that has too many characters, but but it

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Speaker 1: really does work. It's one eight three three. Why Dan,

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Speaker 1: you're going to you're gonna do that with us? That

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Speaker 1: I chicken out? You did great? My mind has been

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Speaker 1: He's tell you, yeah, you know you said that gets

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Speaker 1: that gets bandied around as an acronym when we're when

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Speaker 1: we're doing set up pre production stuff. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've had people who are just friends of mine see

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Speaker 1: a text on my phone or some email alert and

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Speaker 1: it's like it's cut off and just stea you have right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like STD fifteen minutes. Uh well, hey, guys, what

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Speaker 1: if you don't want to do any of that stuff?

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Speaker 1: What if the Internet terrifies you? Um, you can do

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Speaker 1: the old way of using the Internet that is a

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Speaker 1: little more indirect and you can send us a good

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Speaker 1: old fashioned email. We are conspiracy at I heart radio

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Speaker 1: dot com stuff they don't want to know.