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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Holland nineteen, but with the mind of a ten year

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Speaker 2: old child an IQ of just sixty four.

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Speaker 1: But you wouldn't know that.

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Speaker 2: To look at her, she looks.

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Speaker 1: Like a beautiful teen girl.

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Speaker 2: Holland nineteen, mind of a ten year old vanishes from

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Speaker 2: a party, sparking serial killer fears across the region. Good evening,

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Ollen Snap, a teenager living with her adoptive family in Kingsport, Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: was known for her bright spirit and trusting nature until

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Speaker 3: someone took advantage of that trust.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Holland?

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Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to Holland's former foster

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Speaker 2: mom and her adoptive mom. Now her name is Holland,

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Speaker 2: but she is affectionately called holly In. So we're going

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Speaker 2: to go back and forth between them, and I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you why. If you think you see this girl, we

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Speaker 2: are hoping to bring her home alive. She answers to

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Speaker 2: Holland and holly In to you, Leslie Hunt, tell me

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Speaker 2: your most vivid memory of Holland.

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Speaker 4: Almost day of Holland is when she first came here.

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Speaker 4: To live with us as our foster child, who's just

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Speaker 4: a doubly happy eight and a half year old, and

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Speaker 4: she has a very country accent, and she would say

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Speaker 4: hilarious things all the time. We would try to get

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Speaker 4: her to eat her vegetables of what she called vegetables,

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Speaker 4: so we still call our vegetables vegetables to this day.

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Speaker 4: Holland had lots of quirky little things that she would

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Speaker 4: say at my house, and I think those are still

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Speaker 4: what's so prominent to me. And we still use a

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Speaker 4: lot of those things that you have.

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Speaker 2: Like when you say perky things, you know we do

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Speaker 2: that too. When John David, my son was a baby,

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Speaker 2: I would say ask the question, I will go yes

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Speaker 2: or no, which one? And he go ness, And my daughter,

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Speaker 2: instead of saying yes, would say in deep We actually

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Speaker 2: still say that Ness. Indeed, that's I'm just thinking back

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Speaker 2: on all the memories you have of this beautiful girl.

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Speaker 2: And when I always said little, but she's nineteen at

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Speaker 2: the time she disappears, but she was diminutive in stature.

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Speaker 1: How tall is Holly.

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Speaker 4: In Helene is four phetnam And at the wist time

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Speaker 4: her mom saw her, she weighed probably about ninety pounds,

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Speaker 4: so she is the exact same weight as my eleven

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Speaker 4: year old daughter.

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Speaker 2: Also, in addition to Leslie Hunt joining us, Holland's former

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Speaker 2: foster mom is Heather Snap, her adoptive mom. You know

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Speaker 2: what's amazing, ladies, that when I have been involved in

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Speaker 2: searching for children, and she does have the mind of

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Speaker 2: a ten to eleven year old child, although she looks

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Speaker 2: like a beautiful young lady. If there's any you know,

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Speaker 2: extended family in law, step mom, step dads, there's always

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Speaker 2: some kind of a turf battle, but which.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't help anything.

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Speaker 2: But you two have really banded together trying to find Holland,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just so heartened by that. I wish others

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Speaker 2: could take your example to Heather Snap, Holland's adoptive mother. Heather,

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Speaker 2: tell me your most vivid memory, and everybody please listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how and I don't know why, but

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Speaker 2: this information could help bring her home.

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Speaker 5: Heather Well, one of the most vivid memories was when

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Speaker 5: she first came to me and we were doing visits

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Speaker 5: and she told me that she was a vampire.

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Speaker 4: I said, that's funny. I said, I am too, And

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Speaker 4: that's how you know That's how the ground was broken,

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Speaker 4: and that's how our relationship started. She was very imaginative.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we have our children, we know where they are.

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Speaker 2: These two moms are desperately, desperately.

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Speaker 1: Trying to find Holly in.

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Speaker 2: Not only is she a teen girl with the mind

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Speaker 2: of a ten year old child, she's extremely trusting.

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Speaker 6: Listen, She's very, very trusting of people that she definitely

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Speaker 6: should not be trusting. She's never met a stranger, and everybody,

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Speaker 6: according to her, loves her and has her best interest

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, today's four hundred and sixty days that she's been missing.

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Speaker 8: We know now that she was wrong about that, and

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Speaker 8: people do not always have your best interest at heart,

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Speaker 8: and I wish that we could have instilled that in

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Speaker 9: Family members desperate to locate Halland's snap last seen on

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Speaker 9: October fifth at a party on Belridge Drive in Kingsport, Tennessee.

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Speaker 9: Holland is four foot nine ninety pounds with brown hair,

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Speaker 9: hazel eyes, in an Eye of Providence tattoo on her forearm.

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Speaker 9: Anyone with info asked to call Sullivan County Sheriff's at

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Speaker 9: four two seven nine seven three three zero or the

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Speaker 9: TBI at one eight hundred. TBI find that by.

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Speaker 2: Missing people in America. So the situation is even more

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Speaker 2: dangerous for this little girl who wants to be accepted

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Speaker 2: as a nineteen year old when her mind is that

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Speaker 2: of a ten year old. So she goes to a party.

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Speaker 2: And what is so shocking to me to Leslie Hunt

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Speaker 2: that says Holland's foster mom, Leslie, people saw her at

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Speaker 2: the party and they did nothing, and now she's gone.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you could speak to some of the

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Speaker 2: ghouls at that party, they see a little she's four nine,

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Speaker 2: I mean what, she's ninety pounds, soaking.

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Speaker 1: Wet, and they do nothing. What would you say to them?

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they can do that, as a

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Speaker 4: lot of them have children, they have grandchildren, and they

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Speaker 4: did absolutely nothing to help Holland. They could have called

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Speaker 4: in a false fire and said, hey, this house is

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Speaker 4: on fire, we go there. They could have called in,

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Speaker 4: hey there's a hurt injured animal at this house. Can

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Speaker 4: animal Control go there? They could have done a million things.

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Speaker 4: They could have called us. They could have contacted us

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Speaker 4: privately on social media. They could have contacted her biological family,

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Speaker 4: which a lot of them. Know, they could have done

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Speaker 4: a million different things than wait.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, hey, that's something new. I didn't know Leslie.

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Speaker 2: So people, some of the people anyway at this party

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Speaker 2: knew Holly ind They knew.

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Speaker 1: Who she was, and they did nothing seeing.

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Speaker 2: You know, she had to be crying, you know, she

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Speaker 2: had to be in the corner crying, not speaking. She

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Speaker 2: had just gotten a horrible beating and now she's gone.

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Speaker 2: Somebody took her from that party. They knew her and

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Speaker 2: they did nothing.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, they knew her and they did nothing to help whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I want you to see and year

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Speaker 2: Holland Holly in.

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Speaker 1: Listen, have you seen this girl?

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Speaker 4: I can't tell.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm actually about to cry, that's how bad have

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Speaker 10: been laughing inside.

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Speaker 11: At age ten, Erica Billheimer gets a fresh name with

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Speaker 11: a fresh start, Adopted by Heather and Stephen Snap. She

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Speaker 11: chooses now to be known as Holland Snap. Holland and

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Speaker 11: the Snaps remain in close contact with her previous foster mother,

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Speaker 11: Leslie Hunt, who took care of Holland for more than

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Speaker 11: a year. Over time, Holland doesn't change much. At nineteen,

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Speaker 11: she stands just four feet nine inches tall, and she

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Speaker 11: has the mental capacity of a ten year old child.

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Speaker 2: A ten year old child joining us is Karen Start,

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Speaker 2: physics psychologist who is a renowned TV and radio trauma

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Speaker 2: expert at Karenstart dot com. Karen, what does that actually mean?

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Speaker 2: I've heard that phrase, ye used?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: You have the mind you're nineteen, but you have the

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Speaker 2: mind of a ten year old?

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Speaker 12: You know, developmentally delayed? Nancy, That's what it means. You

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Speaker 12: haven't really matured. She has stayed at that age and

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Speaker 12: most likely for the rest of her life. We hope

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Speaker 12: she's okay. She will not be much older. It's a

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Speaker 12: terrible thing to happen to your child, but she seems

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Speaker 12: so beautiful and alive and wonderful that it doesn't seem

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Speaker 12: to have affected her at all. It will make her vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: So a predator who is targeting her, Karen thinks he

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Speaker 2: and let's be honest, I know the defense attorney, friend

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Speaker 2: Boorgard's not gonna like it, but overwhelmingly, statistically, it is

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Speaker 2: a man that took her, and it is a man

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Speaker 2: that beat her to a pulp, This little girl with

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Speaker 2: a ten year old mind. He thinks he's with a

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Speaker 2: year old little girl. So this is working against her horribly.

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Speaker 2: Then Heather, her adoptive mom, suffered a horrible m S.

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Speaker 3: About when a loved one passes away. Heather snap suffered

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Speaker 3: severe MS flare ups, making it hard to care for

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Speaker 3: Holland Halland moves in with her biological aunt in Kingsport.

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Speaker 11: On October fifth, Holland texts Heather she's attending a party

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Speaker 11: at a home on bell Ridge Drive, where a man,

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Speaker 11: a trusted friend, introduced her to fifty two year old

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Speaker 11: Stephen Lincous. In her text, Holland mentions Lincas didn't want

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Speaker 11: her telling anyone his name, which Heather finds odd. It's

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Speaker 11: the last contact she has with Holland.

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Speaker 13: She had text Heather and address in Kingsport and said, Hey,

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Speaker 13: this is where I am and this is who I

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Speaker 13: am with, although he didn't want to want me to

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Speaker 13: tell you his name. But she told Heather his name

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Speaker 13: in that text, which is Holland.

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Speaker 2: Now, if I'm missing people in America, gosh, there's so

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Speaker 2: much there to dissect. But to Franz A. Borg Kart,

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Speaker 2: adjoining US veteran criminal defense attorney out of Baton Rouge,

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Speaker 2: founder of the Boorkart's Law firm, and professor lsu Franz.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What is a fifty two.

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Speaker 2: Year old man doing with a nineteen year old girl?

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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, we don't know what he's doing with her,

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Speaker 10: and jumping to conclusions is certainly not a pathway to

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Speaker 10: he's obviously presumed innocent. There's been no showing that he's

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Speaker 10: done anything wrong. Optics acide, You know, we don't know

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love it when people say optics aside, So

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Speaker 2: I should believe you are my lion eyes. You want

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Speaker 2: me to forget what I'm saying, Pretend I'm not seeing that.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Heather, what is a fifty two year

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Speaker 2: old man doing with a nineteen year old little girl?

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Speaker 2: You know, Heather Snap and Leslie Hunt to you, Heather,

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Speaker 2: you spent years nurturing holland helping her, trying to overcome

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Speaker 2: her disability and to look at her. You'd have no idea,

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Speaker 2: and then somehow she gets in the mix at this

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Speaker 2: party and she's never seen again. How many times, Heather Snap,

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Speaker 2: have you relived that moment over and over in your mind.

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Speaker 4: More than I would like to count? There is oftentimes

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Speaker 4: I would lay away playing it in my head.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we have to find Holland. We have to find

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Speaker 2: out what happened to her. What good are we if

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Speaker 2: we don't care about this girl. A fifty two year

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Speaker 2: a look at him, Stephen Lincous. He of course is

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Speaker 2: presumed innocent until proven guilty. Why what was he doing

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Speaker 2: with her that night? Coincidentally the night she goes missing,

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Speaker 2: never seen again. Back to Heather Snap, Holland holly Enne's

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Speaker 2: adoptive mom. You know so many people across our country

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Speaker 1: You adopted, Holland.

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Speaker 2: Look at her. She looks like a little baby doll

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Speaker 2: right there, and you knew about her developmental disadvantages. You

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Speaker 2: this has got to crush you now for a moment,

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Speaker 2: But after you lost a loved one, your MS kicked

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Speaker 1: With her auntie.

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Speaker 2: What the hey happened? Was she with the auntie when

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Speaker 4: Yes, her aunt had a form of custody of Hallan

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine a worse situation for this girl to

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Speaker 2: You know who this reminds me of. Find me, Sydney.

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Speaker 2: You and I investigated this case together. Miranda Corsette, a

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Speaker 2: at Miranda Corsette, How trusting, how innocent Miranda Corsette was

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Speaker 2: They saw her cowering in the corner, naked, crying, begging.

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Speaker 2: No one did anything, you know, to Franz Borghart, a

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Speaker 2: you and I both know that under our American jurisprudence,

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Speaker 2: When you see a little girl like Miranda Corssette, or

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Speaker 1: A duty to do anything, do you.

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately, no, you don't. And in a even in the

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Speaker 10: of the time. Most of the time, that essentially being

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Speaker 2: Steve Fisher joining us who has taken an active role

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Speaker 2: in trying to find Holland. Steve Fisher, a missing person's

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Speaker 2: private investigator, search and rescue specialist, owns search investigations. Steve,

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Speaker 2: you know, I heard how many times did Borcart say unfortunate? Unfortunate, unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: That's like it couldn't have been helped. It could have

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Speaker 15: And I've interviewed the two people extensively that SOWR and

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Speaker 14: And he says he did not call for help because.

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Speaker 15: He was afraid that lincos knew where his daughter and

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Speaker 14: It's no excuse not to one one should have been.

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Speaker 1: Really, I want to see Fisher please. He was afraid.

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Speaker 2: Well, guess what if the purp had been put behind

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Speaker 1: But he's not behind.

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Speaker 2: Bars because nobody did a damn thing.

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Speaker 8: I think it looks bay you tiple me?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 4: I think I look great and black. I always have.

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Speaker 10: Not nobody could look this good and black.

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Speaker 6: I mean, seriously, I look awesome and black.

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Speaker 3: After spending her early years in foster care, Holland was

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Speaker 2: Her foster mom, Leslie, assumes that Holland is say she

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Speaker 2: shocked to see a Facebook post from Heather, her former

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Speaker 4: Chrit I saw Heather's posts on Facebook, and as soon

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Speaker 4: I've had some lot circumstances happening, and realized that I

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Speaker 16: That had happened.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: So to you, Heather, this is Colin's adoptive mom. You

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Speaker 1: When did that dawn on you?

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Speaker 4: About nine to ten days later when I hadn't heard

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Speaker 2: Now, interesting to police poo poohed you. What happened when

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Speaker 4: I went between Kingsport City in Kingsport County and they

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Speaker 4: Once I explained that she had an IQ of sixty

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, you know to u, Steve Fisher, that's

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Speaker 2: what happens when people go missing. You don't know where

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Speaker 2: And I've seen it over and over and over when

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Speaker 2: come back. That's total bs.

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Speaker 1: These two moms knew she was gone, and.

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Speaker 2: Yet they were brushed off.

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Speaker 1: Steve. How often do you see that?

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Speaker 14: Ninety five percent of the time.

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Speaker 15: It's especially if it's a person that's you know, run away,

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Speaker 15: that's gone missing before. But in this case, you know,

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Speaker 15: they were saying, listen, she's an adult, she's allowed to

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Speaker 15: go missing. She doesn't have to check in with you,

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Speaker 15: she doesn't want to, and they just thought she would

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Speaker 15: surface after a few days and then you know that

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Speaker 9: After she's reported missing Holland's friend comes forward about Lee

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Speaker 9: asked this friend to bring a girl over. Hallen was

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Speaker 9: last seen at Lincus's four days after she was left there.

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Speaker 9: Hallen was barely conscious and clearly in bad chap.

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Speaker 8: We know that she was pretty much unconscious, not able

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Speaker 2: What happened from our friends at Missing People in America.

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Speaker 2: That has got to haunt you, Leslie. The shape that

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Speaker 4: Importing. That's one of the hardest thing here is to

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Speaker 4: know that she was like that. What's no help.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to stress that no one has been charged

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Speaker 2: and no one has been named a suspect, and they're

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Speaker 2: all presumed. What happens then, Leslie and Heather go into

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Speaker 2: high gear trying to find the beautiful little girl they've

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 11: Going off Holland's last known location, Leslie and Heather's plaster

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Speaker 11: recognize her. Stephen Lincous, the last person Holland was seen with,

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Speaker 11: gets one look at a poster and flees to Georgia

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Speaker 3: Holland's trusting nature made her believe in the goodness of others,

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Speaker 3: but not everyone had her best interests at heart. Both

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Speaker 3: went silent after meeting a much older man.

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Speaker 2: You know what too, Leslie and Heather first to you, Heather, Heather.

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Speaker 2: My twins have just turned eighteen. And of course we

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Speaker 2: all know that our children know more than a lot

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Speaker 1: But I look at them.

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Speaker 2: Sleeping at night. And my son is six' six by the,

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Speaker 2: Innocent and WHEN i think Of Holly enn looking like

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Speaker 2: She has no, idea and she's literally thrown in a

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Speaker 2: the people at the, party AND i do not want

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Speaker 2: heather your message tonight to anyone that's listening about your.

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Speaker 4: Girl if you can help in any, way if you know,

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Speaker 4: anything if you have spoken to anyone that either knows her,

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Speaker 4: name please coom forward share her. Story help me find my.

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Speaker 4: DAUGHTER i love, HER i THOUGHT i could protect her

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Speaker 4: forever THAT i need your help in that. Endeavor please

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Speaker 4: help me find my.

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Speaker 2: CHILD i don't even know where you get to strength

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Speaker 2: to say that without breaking down in.

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Speaker 1: Tears NOW i want to go To.

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Speaker 2: Leslie this is a woman that devoted herself As holland's foster,

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Speaker 2: mom and you know how hard that is being a foster.

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Speaker 2: Mom and these two, ladies warriors with hearts of, gold

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Speaker 2: take in a child most people wouldn't take because she's developmentally.

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Speaker 2: Challenged see WHEN i look At, HOLLAND i see everything

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Speaker 2: lot of people would see her as a developmentally challenged

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Speaker 2: child that they won't touch with a ten foot. Pole

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Speaker 2: but you took her and worked with her and love.

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Speaker 2: Her what is your message? Tonight it hurts me to

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Speaker 2: just go through the facts that people don't really. Know,

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Speaker 2: HOLLAND i would, say do the right.

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Speaker 4: Thing seven hundred and sixty one days. In you have

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Speaker 4: failed her every day since, then and we're, tired and

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Speaker 4: we want answers for what has, happened and we want

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Speaker 4: to be able to bring her home in one form or.

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Speaker 4: Another it's time to do the right. Thing you failed

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Speaker 4: her over and over, again and we need her.

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Speaker 3: Home witnesses Say holland was last seen in the basement

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Speaker 3: At lincous's. Home Sullivan County sheriff's Searched lincos's home and

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Speaker 3: the car he drove To, georgia but have not revealed the.

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Speaker 3: Results hallenn only carried her phone with her To lincous's,

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Speaker 3: Near Bell ridge in Both tennessee And. Virginia why is.

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Speaker 2: This little girl simcar from her phone stuck in another

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Speaker 2: guy's phone and why DO i have this? Right Sydney

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Speaker 2: Sumner Crime stories investigative. Reporter the moment That leslie And

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Speaker 2: heather start putting up missing people posters everywhere blanketing the. Area,

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00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: lankas who is not a suspect or person of, interest

439
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: takes off to where, else to mommy's, house heads To.

440
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: Georgia DO i have that? Right?

441
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 16: Yes he takes his mother's car From tennessee after getting

442
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 16: just one look at that missing person flyer and takes

443
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 16: off To, georgia where he's. Arrested and after that, arrest

444
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 16: spending time in jail for petty drug, charges he's extradited

445
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 16: back To tennessee again on charges of drug. Charges so

446
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 16: he's back and forth in and out of jail ever.

447
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 16: Since he flees afraid of a piece of paper With

448
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 16: holland's name on, it very.

449
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: Well Put Sydney Sumner franz At.

450
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Borgharts don't you just hate it when your client takes

451
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: one look at a missing person poster and they all

452
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: you see from them is elbows and. Tailhole they. Gone

453
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: they leave that moment he sees a missing person's poster

454
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: and leaves.

455
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: Town if that is not a, DAMMY i don't know what.

456
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: Is, oh dear listening, forward listen to, this go, ahead

457
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: thanks thanks for.

458
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Nothing listen to.

459
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 9: This Stephen lincus gives conflicting answers about Hall. In he

460
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 9: claims a family member in a red truck Picked hallin,

461
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 9: up and other times blames the others living at thirteen

462
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 9: Fifteen Bellridge drive in their own residence despite fleeing To.

463
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 9: Georgia when he Learns holland as reported, Missing lincus ends

464
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 9: every questioning with a similar, answer as far as he,

465
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 9: Knows holland should be okay out there.

466
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 16: Somewhere, Hi, Heydan i'm.

467
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 17: Stressed right, now and you know it's been. Stressful i've

468
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 17: been talking to the detectives for the last five.

469
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 7: Hours, WELL i mean they just you.

470
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 17: Know they're down here From Sullivan county asking me About.

471
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 7: Holland sow did you hear?

472
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: That? Bergheart he's. Stressed this little girl was beaten to

473
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: a pulp according to, witnesses by, him and he's stressed

474
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: because he has to talk to. Police you know, what

475
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: when a cop talks to, ME i don't feel. Stressed

476
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: isn't that? Odd what a coinky?

477
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: Dink is it an?

478
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 10: Admission? Sure but is it an admission of? What and

479
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 10: SO i hate to split that, Hair, nancy BUT i,

480
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 10: mean you, know this is just another reason why you

481
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 10: don't want your client to get on the phone and

482
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 10: run his, mouth BECAUSE i, mean it certainly does look,

483
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 10: Damning it certainly does look. Inculpatory BUT i don't know

484
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 10: that this necessarily puts him as the person that either

485
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 10: kidnapped her or did something to.

486
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: Her mm hmm mm. Hmm, yeah so he beat her

487
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: and somebody else took. Her, okay maybe it was the

488
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Little green men From. Mars and again he has not

489
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: been charged in this. Case but you said he shouldn't

490
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: talk on the. Phone, hello they're recording your phone. Calls behind.

491
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: Bars he's behind bars on drug. Charges let's listen to

492
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: more of Mister linca's crying to.

493
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 17: Mommy there's some discrepancies in my timeline and every damn

494
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 17: thing else like, That and it's because it don't look

495
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 17: right like there was a day on the twenty third

496
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 17: or something that you, KNOW i thought about coming back,

497
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 17: home AND i drove all the way Into, tennessee and

498
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 17: the card's been tagged by a damn.

499
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 7: Tag, reader and they wanted.

500
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 17: To know WHY i went that far up In tennessee

501
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 17: and then turned around and came back and all that,

502
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 17: Stuff and, Well i'd left my damn phone sitting At

503
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 17: david's house and didn't think about having my phone or.

504
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 17: Nothing as the stress of everything going, on you know

505
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 17: WHAT i, mean it's just one thing after the other.

506
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: Man Steve, fisher what stress the? Stress, Uh leslie And

507
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: heather putting up missing person? Posters that stressed him?

508
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Out?

509
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: Why and do you hear what he, says there's some

510
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: discrepancies in my timeline and every damn thing else like,

511
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: That and it's because it it don't look. Right you

512
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: notice how he, Goes oh the way the is he

513
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: didn't say it's Because i'm lying through my. Ass he

514
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: doesn't say, that he, says and it's because it it

515
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: don't look. Right, yeah it doesn't look. Right so what

516
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: stressed him out the fact that he's got two mothers

517
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: three inches up his tailpipe trying to find their.

518
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 14: Daughter, yeah because at this point he hasn't even been arrested.

519
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 15: Yet SO i don't know what he's so stressed, about,

520
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 15: Right it's just literally when the sign's been, up he

521
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 15: borrowed forty dollars from somewhere for gas and took off

522
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 15: without with his car and, uh you, know hung out

523
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 15: In tennessee and then obviously thought about coming.

524
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 14: Back and how to change of. HEART i don't believe

525
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 14: for many left his phone.

526
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 15: Behind i've listened hours and hours of these, calls and

527
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 15: it's very clear that he tried to put a story.

528
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 14: Together it just wasn't a very good.

529
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 15: One and, uh you know he, uh he's just he's just,

530
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 15: lying you, Know and he doesn't want to answer questions

531
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 15: about what happened To. Holland and that's what we. Need

532
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 15: we need him to man up people that were there

533
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 15: to man up.

534
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: Hauland was last seen At Stephen lincas's home where he

535
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: took her to a. Party authorities remain uncertain in halland survived.

536
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: Like, That and of course he opens his pie hole

537
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: and talks on the phone behind bars.

538
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: Too who Else? Mommy, okay just f, yi.

539
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Everybody there is A there is no mommy child privilege

540
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: like attorney client privilege or husband wife privilege or priest parishioner.

541
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: Privilege all of this would.

542
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: Come into evidence If mommy tells the truth on the.

543
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: Stand so let's see what else he.

544
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 7: Says the thing was, girl, man you, know you know

545
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 7: that really stocks because she seems like a really decent,

546
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 7: person you know WHAT i, Mean and no one's heard from.

547
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 7: Her i'm supposing you, know you haven't said. Nothing you,

548
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 7: know LAST i spoke.

549
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 17: To the, detectors they were still inquiring about, Her Karen.

550
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Stark do you hear him call her this?

551
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: Girl without a?

552
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 17: Doubt?

553
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 12: Nancy he called her this, girl and that's. Depersonalization, otherwise

554
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 12: he's distancing himself from who she is because she's not

555
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 12: a real person to. Him and if you think about,

556
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 12: it that's the kind of predatory he. Is he's choosing

557
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 12: someone who's so, diminutive who's so tiny and really can't

558
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 12: fight for, herself and so she's not real to. Him

559
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 12: she could have been a doll as far as he's.

560
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: Concerned that really jumped out at, me the way he

561
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: refers to her as this. Girl and of course there's.

562
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: More, listen you know.

563
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 17: What i'm worried about is That, brad him and that

564
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 17: Girl trish Do.

565
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 7: Opius and remember they had that one person overdose up

566
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 7: there In, taylor And i'm afraid. That you, KNOW i

567
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 7: told you she had a thing for, bread And i'm

568
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 7: afraid something happened, there you know WHAT i, Mean.

569
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: This little girl with the mind of a ten year

570
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: old has a quote thing For.

571
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: BRAD i, MEAN i love.

572
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: It it's called finger pointing every which. Way but, Here

573
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: so do you hear, This Sidney sunder didn't you tell

574
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: me he was in two jurisdictions on drug.

575
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 16: Charges that's, correct In Bartow, County. Georgia he spent some

576
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 16: time there and was brought back To Sullivan.

577
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: County oh but, Now, sidney he's worried about Effing brad

578
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: And trish because they do.

579
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: Opiates i'd like to know.

580
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: Where they bought. Them but that's a whole nother kettle of.

581
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: Fish more on the recorded jail, Calls, listen there's just you.

582
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 17: Know questioning me about you, know what's going on and.

583
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 17: Stuff AND i, mean you, know of Course lisa's not

584
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 17: forthcoming with the information and every damn thing of what

585
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 17: she told, me and so that new information to. Them

586
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 17: and SO i, mean it looks Like i'm the last

587
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 17: person to see, her you know WHAT i. Mean and

588
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 17: so it's been. STRESSFUL i told him Everything i've told

589
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 17: you already and.

590
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: Everything oh, gosh, darn this is so. Stressful looks LIKE

591
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: i was the last one to see her.

592
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: Alive, Okay Steve.

593
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: FISHER i, mean slippery as an, ill looks like, Uh

594
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: i'm the last person to see, her you know WHAT i.

595
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Mean do you hear?

596
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 14: That, Yeah and he, SAYS i told them everything That

597
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 14: i've told.

598
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 15: You in other, Words i've stayed on the, story is

599
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 15: what he's, saying and he reiterates that several times That,

600
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 15: lisa who lived in a trailer on the, property did

601
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 15: not stay on the story because they had come up

602
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 15: with a plan to blame us.

603
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 14: On a drug.

604
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 15: Dealer and that's what he's upset, about because the mom's, saying,

605
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 15: listen the textans are, saying our story doesn't match hers,

606
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 15: anymore and so he's in code trying to tell, her you,

607
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 15: know if you, KNOW i told them everything THAT i told,

608
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 15: you and that's in other, words that's the only part

609
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 15: of the.

610
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 14: Story you should go come.

611
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: Out you, know To franz At. Borghart veteran defense Attorney

612
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: Sidney sumner pointed out something off.

613
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: Camera he's starting to.

614
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Speak about her in the past. Tense i'll never forget

615
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: When Scott peterson did that while the search was on

616
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: For lacy and their unborn, Child. Connor he said she was,

617
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: amazing AND i remember WHEN i heard, THAT i nearly

618
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: fell over this, Guy, lincas who is not charged with the,

619
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: crime is talking About holland in the past. Tense do

620
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: you think you need to tell your clients don't talk

621
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: about victims in the past tense while they're still.

622
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 10: Missing you know the worst part about this is every

623
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 10: single time you make a jail, Call, nancy it says

624
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 10: this phone call is being, recorded like it couldn't be plainer.

625
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: Anyway AND i think that's the worst part of. This

626
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: the worst part of this as a nineteen year old

627
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: girl with the mind of a ten year. Old now she's,

628
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: missing and this guy's the last one to see.

629
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: Her that's what's the bad. Part you're upset.

630
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: That your clients don't pay attention when they hear this

631
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: call is being. Recorded that is your problem right, Now.

632
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 10: Borgart you asked me IF i was upset about my

633
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 10: client's making references to victims in the past. Tense, yes in.

634
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 10: General in, general referring to the victim in the past

635
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 10: tense is a huge. Admission AND i would advise a

636
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 10: client not only not to talk on the phone of a,

637
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 10: prison but not to talk about individuals that are missing

638
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 10: where you can be placed with them before they've been gone.

639
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: Missing this, Guy Steven well you, know you're absolutely, correct

640
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: and that's why you win so many. CASES i don't like,

641
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: it but we have an adversarial system that is our

642
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: system of, justice AND i accept. That i'm sure you're

643
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: going to be gnashing your teeth and switching your tail

644
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: when you hear. This here Is Stephen lincas again on

645
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: a jail house call to, mommy just really pouring out his,

646
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: heart blaming two people Named brad And trish as being

647
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: fing slimy as F he's quite the poet with his

648
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: use and mastery of The english. Language, LISTEN i just

649
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: feel Like brad and are slimy as and there's something

650
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: going on, there you.

651
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 7: KNOW i think there's some kind of relationship Between brad And,

652
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 7: trish AND i think it's like a jealous type thing.

653
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 7: Too i'm not quite sure WHAT i mean and what

654
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 7: makes you play that as the things That lisha, Said

655
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 7: and then everybody's making it difficult because you, know it

656
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 7: involves their direct fivers and that type of, thing and

657
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 7: so no one's saying, nothing you know WHAT i.

658
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: Mean the search For holland also called Affectionately Holly inn

659
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: is On Steve. Fisher there was a massive search of

660
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: sixty acres by police and.

661
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 14: Volunteers, yeah there was a search of a. Property you,

662
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 14: know a tip had come.

663
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 15: In, actually somebody had called me and said they were

664
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 15: at this house and a dog had come up with

665
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 15: what they thought was a human leg bone in its,

666
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 15: mouth and that brought law enforcement out with some thedaver.

667
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 15: Dogs but there was no hit on, there and there

668
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 15: has since been a large volunteer search because it is

669
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 15: a big, property and we did property and we had

670
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 15: some intelligence of there being a, yard barn and specific

671
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 15: that she might be located, in but everything came back.

672
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: Negative so, far is this in and Around lincas's.

673
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 15: Home i'd say it's about six eight MILES i believe from,

674
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 15: there but it's it's definitely been in range of you, know.

675
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 14: You, know some place you could take her in that car.

676
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: Well Steve. Fisher hollins's disappearance has sparked fears of a

677
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: serial killer in this, area AND i assume that's because

678
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: of the disappearance Of Layla.

679
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 15: Santanello, yeah And i'm the investiator on both those, cases

680
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 15: and So i'm familiar with both AND i get why

681
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 15: people are tying the two. Together, however we have nothing

682
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 15: that shows that they really are. Linked you, know there

683
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 15: are two separate. Events we actually have a good idea

684
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 15: of what happened To laila as. Well but you, know

685
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 15: in this, case, listen there's other people that know what.

686
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 14: Happened there's other people that are.

687
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 15: Involved This brad guy that he's trying to lay it

688
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 15: on is the guy who brought her To lincas's. House

689
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 15: he knows that by using that name it you, know

690
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 15: law enforcement's already linked that to hit him To, brad

691
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 15: so he's trying to lay it.

692
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 14: Off on him.

693
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: Again no one has been charged or named a person

694
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: of interest in this. Case to A Leslie. Hunt this

695
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: Is holland's foster, mom joined By, heather her adoptive. Mind,

696
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: leslie you have gotten the run around from law. Enforcement, explain.

697
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: Whenever someone goes, missing you think some things will go

698
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 4: a certain. Way they just have not gone the way

699
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 4: we think that they should. Go we know that we're

700
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: not prove you to a lot of information that you

701
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: would think that we would be given more information than

702
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: we have been. Given there are some texts that are entuned,

703
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: in and it seems like they know the answers to

704
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 4: who sent those. Texts that they will not reciprocate With Steve,

705
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: fisher our private, investigator who we have full faith. In

706
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 4: it just seems like a lot Of Tom's holland's case

707
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 4: has been pushed off to the, side and we've, had you,

708
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: know meeting after meeting with, them as we are allowed,

709
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: to and it just seems like there are lots Of

710
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: there are, three you, know separate entities working this.

711
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 8: Case and WHILE i understand that.

712
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: They can't reciprocate all, information it would be helpful if

713
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 4: they would take into account and consideration what Ste fisher

714
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: has done so far and.

715
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: The information that he.

716
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 4: Holds he's been very good at getting witnesses to come

717
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 4: forward and speaking with, them and it's just not reciprocated

718
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: the way it should.

719
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: Be joining us tonight in the search For holland two

720
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: very special. Guests It's Detective Anthony, stevens lead detective in the,

721
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: case And Captain Richard, frasier the captain of The Criminal

722
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: Investigation division there In Sullivan.

723
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: County, gentlemen thank you for being with.

724
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Us this is taking a really long time to. Solve

725
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: and let me tell, you as a former, prosecutor that's

726
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: the last THING i want to. See the last THING

727
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: i want to do is put together a cold case

728
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: what if anything is happening now.

729
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 18: Detective, so since the beginning of the, investigation we've conducted

730
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 18: eighty four approximately eighty four interviews of. Individuals we've also

731
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 18: conducted two residential search warrants related to. This approximately fourteen

732
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 18: electronical or data related search warrants was. Done we've had

733
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 18: approximately three vehicles that we did search warrts on that we,

734
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 18: searched and there was two INDIVIDUAL'S dna that we had

735
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 18: to get a search wart. For we've also subpoented approximately

736
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 18: six electronical or data related. Material we received consent to

737
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 18: search approximately four areas of, property residential property or. Land

738
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 18: we've also received one INDIVIDUAL'S dna by consent and approximately

739
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 18: eight electronic or data related devices that we got consent. Search,

740
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 18: also we've had a census from The Tennessee bureau Of

741
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 18: investigation since the beginning of. It they've helped us With

742
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 18: they supplied us with a withdrone technology to search like

743
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 18: areas of land for disturbed. Ground we've had several agents

744
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 18: that's assisted with us on this investigation and analysts to gather.

745
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 18: Information we've also Utilized canaine cadaver dogs that was used

746
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 18: on various, properties and we conducted grid searches on all

747
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 18: the properties that we've.

748
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: Been for.

749
00:45:54,280 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Crime stories With Nancy grace to Take Anthony.

750
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: Stevens you, know the family believes nothing is being. Done

751
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: maybe it's a communication issue because WHEN i would be

752
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: working a case in the midst of, it ankle, deep knee,

753
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: deep hip deep in, investigations driving all over the city Of,

754
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: atlanta taking helicopters to scenes that were far, away going

755
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 2: to the crime. LAB i didn't think every, Night i'm

756
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: gonna check in with the, family.

757
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: Because you're in the thick of.

758
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: It but the family from their point of, view And

759
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: i've been there as a crime victim, myself it's like

760
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: trying to get, answers trying to find something in the

761
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: dark with the blind folding earplugs. In you don't know

762
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: where to, turn you don't understand what's. Happening SO i

763
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: understand their. Confusion they're, hurt they want. Answers do you

764
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: think you're Close do you think you're close to?

765
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: It a Rest.

766
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 18: So we definitely understand that they want. Answers we want

767
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 18: answers to and you, know unfortunately there is some things

768
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 18: that we cannot supply them due to this ben and ongoing.

769
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 18: Investigation so you, know we try to talk to them

770
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 18: about some things that we can supply, them but we

771
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 18: don't want to give too much obviously to the public

772
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 18: that could hurt this. CASE i don't want to say.

773
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 18: Whether we can't really go into whether we're, close but

774
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 18: it is being. WORKED i, mean just last week we

775
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 18: literally did a grid search and used canine cadaver dogs

776
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 18: on a property And king. Support so it's been worked

777
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 18: since day. One but we try to supply the answers

778
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 18: that were allowed to give that won't hurt this or

779
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 18: emped this.

780
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Investigation detective And captain, again thank you for being with.

781
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: Us we have heard through witnesses That holland was seen

782
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 2: at a party which turned out not to be already

783
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: at all With stephen lincous and that she was steen

784
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: At Stephen lincas's mother's, home that she was severely. Beaten

785
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: nobody did a thing like.

786
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: Call you or nine one.

787
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: One they stood by with this teen girl who has

788
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: the mind of a little. Child there's no telling what

789
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: was done to her before she was, killed AND i

790
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: have no doubt that she was. Killed have you spoken

791
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: to any of those witnesses that could confirm.

792
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 18: That so you, know obviously there's not a lot of

793
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 18: the specifics we can go in on, that but the

794
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 18: witnesses that have came forward that was there or has came,

795
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 18: forward we've spoken with and we've took. Statements LIKE i,

796
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 18: SAID i, mean we've got approximately eighty four statements we've

797
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 18: taken so, far just from people that either knew holland

798
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 18: heard some information tips that came.

799
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: In can you con that she was at that so called?

800
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 18: Party we can't confirm whether there is EVEN i MEAN i.

801
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 18: PARTY i, mean we can confirm, THAT i mean she

802
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 18: was she did have contact on that, property but we

803
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 18: can't confirm whether there was a party there or anything like.

804
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 14: That we can confirm.

805
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: That She's, okay forget the. Party that was what she

806
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: was told she was going to a. Party it was

807
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: no party at. ALL i think she was being served

808
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: up like A thanksgiving turkey on a. Platter to an

809
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: abuser that that's WHAT i. Think it's like ordering a.

810
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: Pizza he's tried of one, girl so he orders. Another

811
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: let me rephrase the, question, detective can you confirm she

812
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: was ever at that particular home leading up to.

813
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: The time she.

814
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: Disappeared, yes well that's certainly a. Start have you managed

815
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: to speak To Stephen lincols would he even speak to?

816
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 18: You so we have spoke To Stephen LINCAS i believe three,

817
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 18: times and we received a.

818
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: Statement you got a.

819
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Statement is he a suspect or even A? Poi a

820
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: person of interest in the.

821
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 18: Case, so with this still being an ongoing, investigation we

822
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 18: obviously don't want To we don't want to speak on

823
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 18: that right at the. Moment but LIKE i, said this

824
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 18: is still an ongoing investigation and we want to try

825
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 18: to maintain that. Integrity we.

826
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: Can't, WELL i understand, that. Detective the last thing a,

827
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: prosecutor at some point in the future wants is for

828
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: you to name a person of interest or suspect and

829
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 2: then it turns out to be somebody, else because then

830
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: that's perfect fodder for the. Defense they'll, say, hey weren't

831
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: you on Crime stories and you Said lincos is a

832
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: person of, Interest lincus is a suspect and it turns

833
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: out to be his best. Friend, yeah we don't want. That,

834
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: okay let me rephrase that question as. Well do you

835
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: believe you have identified at least a person of, interest

836
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: if not a, suspect whether it's Linc us or.

837
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 18: NOT i do believe that we've, identified you, know person

838
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 18: of interest that we have put some time in to look.

839
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 14: Into that's for sure.

840
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 18: Happening but you, know, obviously like you, stated we don't

841
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 18: want to jump the. Gun we don't want to make

842
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 18: things out to be something that you know it may not.

843
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 18: Be we we have to do everything in our power

844
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 18: to do everything correctly because we want a really good

845
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 18: ending on this, case as anybody.

846
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: Would do you have a theory on what?

847
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: Happened do you believe which is of course not admissible in,

848
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: court but do you believe you know what?

849
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 18: HAPPENED i believe we have an idea.

850
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: Yesday since they are a public, record a search, warrant

851
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: hopefully a return on that search, warrant can you tell

852
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: us anything about the specific searches you? LISTED a lot of,

853
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: work a lot of, searches a lot of, SUBPOENAS dna

854
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: you name, it whether it's consensual or by search? Warrant

855
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: can you tell, us because they are public, RECORD i

856
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: assume about the searches what was?

857
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 18: Searched so the residences obviously you know we state that

858
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 18: we've done residential search. Warrents we don't obviously want to

859
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 18: go into detail where these residents was, at but, uh you,

860
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 18: know anything that was helpful that could help the investigation

861
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 18: we obviously was looking, for we. Did uh we did

862
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 18: fourteen electronical search warrants either cell, Phones facebook stuff like

863
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 18: that general. Stuff but you, KNOW i believe that search

864
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 18: warrans are under seal right now due to this still

865
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 18: being an active, Investigation, uh because we don't want to

866
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 18: we don't throw all that out, there you know WHAT i?

867
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: Mean, YEAH i, do did do?

868
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: You AND i understand that you did Locate HOLLAND'S sim

869
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: card from her, Phone.

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Speaker 18: So with this still being an ongoing, investigation that's also

871
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 18: not something that we're we're going to be able to you,

872
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 18: know tell you right. Now but we will clarify though

873
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 18: that she we do not to know that she had

874
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 18: a phone that night or during the last time she

875
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 18: spoke with her mother or.

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00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: Family, what if, anything do you want the public to

877
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: know about this? Case how could the public help you if.

878
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 18: They could, so anybody that had contact With holland Between

879
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 18: september And october and twenty twenty, three we encourage you

880
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 18: to come forward and speak with us about any contact

881
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 18: you had with her or if anything was. Off we

882
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 18: also asked to public provide accurate. Information we've received a

883
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 18: lot of inaccurate information that's impeed this. Investigation so if

884
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 18: we can get accurate, information good information to go, on

885
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 18: we would we would really be thankful for. That if

886
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 18: anybody had any contact or has any temp, information we

887
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 18: encourage you to CONTACT tbi one eight HUNDRED tbi find

888
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 18: or you can call soul Canst serff's office at four

889
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 18: two three to seven nine seven five zero.

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00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 19: Zero AND i think to add to, that anybody that

891
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 19: thinks they have just a little bit of, information we're

892
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 19: looking for small details of information at this so if

893
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 19: anybody thinks a third information is not, relevant we're imploring

894
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 19: them to come forward and to give us a call

895
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 19: because that might be the small piece of the puzzle

896
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 19: that we're.

897
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: Missing do you believe this is now a homicide case

898
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: or is it a missing person's?

899
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: Case?

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Speaker 18: Detective So i'm still we still have to work this

901
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 18: as a missing person's.

902
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 14: Case that's what it is at this, moment missing.

903
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: Person and what if any message do you want to

904
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: send To holland's family.

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Speaker 18: Tonight we are more than welcome to be as upfront

906
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 18: and honest about anything that we can, be BUT i

907
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 18: think that it's important to understand that to maintain the integrity,

908
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 18: investigation we can't release a lot of. DETAILS i wish we,

909
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 18: could AND i wish we could be more open about certain,

910
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 18: things but if we want to do this, correctly we.

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00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 14: Can't we can't do.

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00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: That joining us, Tonight Detective Anthony, stevens lead detective on

913
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: The Holland snap, disappearance along With Captain Richard, fraser is

914
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 2: as The captain of The Criminal Investigation division there In Sullivan.

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Speaker 1: County, gentlemen good, luck thank you.

916
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: For being with. Us if you know or think you

917
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: know anything About holland also Called holly in, disappearance please

918
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: Contact Sullivan County. Sheriffs we Remember american Hero Lieutenant Michael,

919
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: Hill MEMPHIS, pd killed in a line of duty after

920
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 2: serving the public thirty three, years leaving behind his, wife

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Speaker 2: now Widow american Hero Lieutenant Michael, Hill Nancy grace signing off,

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00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: goodbye f